Don’t know if you’ll see this comment but -

Thanks for being so encouraging and reminding us to remember to look for the good things (while trying to avoid dwelling on the bad things). And

CONGRATULATE YOUR DAUGHTER FOR US!!

You must be happy and a little sad at the same time (seeing your little girl marry). Your father deserves a pat on the back as well. Good for him. I envy your son. Sounds like he’s going to have a wonderful life. Also glad to hear that your wife has recovered.

This is so refreshing. The Shatner thread was abysmal, then I returned here and saw your post and the related comments and it cheered me up.

Hope you all have a blast at the wedding.

Blessings…

kg

But FC isn’t really better to me. Its problems are different, but still just as much of a hindrance to the story. FC is harder to watch for me because it was a good idea that was handled terribly. There are tons of plot holes, and just like TFF the characters are out of character. Unfortunately, throughout most of the TNG films the characters were out of character.

And as for Siskel and Ebert…they’re critics and not very good ones at that, especially towards the end of their duo-ship before Siskel died and ever since for Ebert (he gave the Star Wars prequels rave reviews for Chrissake!). That tells me his ability to see greatness in films has seriously been diminished over the years. Even when they were in true form as critics, I often disagreed with them. Just because a critic liked something doesn’t mean it’s necessarily good. I’ve seen critics give films that looked more like performance pieces 4 stars because it was “art.”

Given most of Siskel and Ebert’s sci-fi reviews, I definitely don’t trust them on the genre (well Ebert now), these guys didn’t like A New Hope, what does that tell you? And, by the way, they’ve also been known to give favorable reviews for alterier motives.

When FC came out, there were a lot of films that didn’t seem to understand good story structure (in fact there was a rash of them at the time) and most of the films of that era were a part of the big action and FX and little plot low point in film history. (Thank the gods that LOTR came along and helped to end that mentality at least somewhat.) Almost anything that was halfway decent was thought to be good back then.

I’m not saying FC or even TFF were such horrid films that they never should’ve been made. I’m saying that FC was by far not the best Trek film made as some modern Trekkers like to think. As a film is was seriously flawed. As a story it was seriously flawed.

My heart goes out to the TNG cast for getting nothing but bad films. They deserved better and one can only hope that someday they may get at least one great film. Now that B&B are gone, they may have a chance.

CE

My biggest issues with TFF are that those ARENT the characters I grew up with. Scotty is a buffoon who suddenly has the hots for Uhura, meanwhile she’s doing that awful fan dance. Then we’ve got Spock struggling with his half-human nature after he’s already gone through that character arc (Nimoy strongly objected to the flashback scene of Spock being born), Sulu & Chekov getting lost in a park, and Captain James T Kirk letting HIS ship be taken over by an emotionally unstable Vulcan and some Mad Max rejects.

Sorry, but I can more readily handle Picard in his psuedo-Rambo mode given FC was otherwise entertaining. TFF just depresses me every time I watch it.

#193

It’s when they go to the desert in Mexico, and she falls asleep on the park bench. She walks toward the playground and sees herself with a baby (presumably John), then the bombs hit and the city is ripped to shreds. The people all burst into flame and she’s reduced to a skeleton hanging on to the chainlink fance.

#204 Colony im sorry that i have to disagree ,Star trek 5 has to many obvious problems, I just cannot like that film no matter. The film was a rush job in every aspect.

Thanks for the nod Xai.

#192
“Yeah the day after was pretty grim”
LOLZ! Grim is an understatement! I was kinda thinking hopelessly depressing. Sometimes it’s damn difficult trying to find a glimmer of light or hope these days.

#193
It’s been years since I’ve seen T2….so I can’t really recall the specifics of the detonation. Care to elaborate?

#194
“But you’re obsession with bashing those who do not agree with your points”

Uh-huh.

“You seem to be a short-tempered and immature person ”

You’d have done better with “long winded and potentially sleep inducing” cuz…you know….I had three posts that took forever to read that calmly and methodically made my points. And regarding these two quotes of yours, my posts were dealing with points made by *several* posters (At least three against 1, as it were) whereas yours were dealing with me specifically. Oddly enough, you seem to be the only one making claims of obsessive behavior, short tempered-ness and immaturity.

“engage in a dialogue with you.”

There was no dialogue. You thought you’d have your say, and that I would simply go “okay” and yield to your way of thinking. Clearly it upset you that that didn’t happen.

“I DID read your posts; I won’t ever make THAT mistake again! ”

Somehow, I think I’m gonna be okay.

“I’m done with this and frankly, with you.”

From #163 “As for me, I have wasted enough minutes of my life on this!”

and from #157 “OK, again, I’ve wasted too much time on this silly “topic.” Moving on…..”

Should I put money down on the odds that you’ll feel the need to respond to this? I’m gonna bet you start your next reply with “I can’t let these go unaswered” prefaced with a “I know I said I was done with you…” or some variation thereof.

#200
I always preferred the story in “Federation” to what we got in FC. IIRC, Cochrane was in an area somewhat spared by the war…with power and technology at his disposal. Flint was a great addition as well. Corbett Cochrane would’ve worked in this environment as well as Cromwell Cochrane. But yeah, the Corbett Cochrane prolly wouldn’t have come off as well in the FC environs.

In FC, they’re out in the middle of nowhere and seemingly cut off from any large population center and one that has the kind of technological resources that could allow one to build a super luminal drive. I suppose you could look it as an homage those old stories where some Victorian guy invents a rocketship in his backyard that takes him to Venus, Mars or some distant star.

It always bothered me that B&B had a great story in “Federation” that could’ve been adapted into FC and chose to ignore it. I’m guessing for possible royalty issues, or ego issues….not sure which, if either, is likely.

I wasn’t saying TFF was a great film, but at least the characters were there and there was a since of that cast’s chemistry, which is for me a large part of what makes a film worth watching.

Don’t get me wrong, TFF had serious issues. But when I’m faced with having to watch FC or TFF again, I’d pick TFF, because at least I’ll have Kirk, Spock, Bones and the rest of that crew acting more like their characters and giving me some fun laughs. FC just puts me to sleep mostly and I can’t watch Picard completely forget about Data and the rest of his crew like he does.

To me, none of the TNG films were worthy of that cast. Sadly, their films were made by B&B, the dumbassed duo.

CE