TOSR DVD Season 2 Details + Available For Pre-order April 16, 2008
by TrekMovie.com Staff , Filed under: DVD, TOS Remastered , trackback
The recently announced 2nd Season DVD set of the digitally remastered Star Trek: The Original Series now has box art and more details. The set includes similar bonus features as Season One, plus 2 special ‘bonus episodes’ and has a retail price of $99.00. UPDATE: Amazon have it available Pre-Order for $58.99
Lots of Tribbles + more Blackburn home movies
According to TV Shows on DVD, in addition to the 26 TOS-R episodes, the set includes two ‘Bonus Tribble’ episodes (TAS: “More Tribbles, More Troubles” and DS9 “Trials and Tribble-ations”) For special features there will be the same episode previews seen on Season One, plus more behind-the-scenes movies from Billy Blackburn as well as nine ‘featurettes.’
The box art is in line with the first season for TOS-R (which was on HD DVD / DVD combo). The blue color is the same color used for the TOS 2nd season DVD set.
TOS-R Season Two is available for pre-order at Amazon for $58.99
set ships August 5th
The street price for Season Two is less than half of what the DVD / HD DVD hybrid was when it was first announced (Amazon originally sold it for $135).
Season Two full of big episodes for TOS-R
Star Trek’s second season is chock full of classics both for the series in general as well as for the new CGI effects work for Remastered. Below are just a sample of some of the great shots (that are sure to look better on the DVD).
“Doomsday Machine”
“Amok Time”
“Trouble With Tribbles”
“Mirror, Mirror”
“I, Mudd”
“Catspaw”
TOS-R Season Two is available for pre-order at Amazon for $58.99
set ships August 5th
Season One HD DVD / DVD discounted
It is still unknown if Season One will be re-issued on DVD only. The DVD / HD DVD combo disk is now discounted at Amazon to $96.95 (retail is $194.99). If you want to be sure to complete a DVD collection of TOS-R, then for now this is your only option.
TOS-R Season One available at Amazon for $96.95
Source: TV Shows on DVD
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no way
Where’s the blu-ray version! No HD disk, no buy!
CE
decloaking . . .
Another genious move from CBS/Paramount Marketing Dept.. . . NOT!
refracking.
Sorry guys, but I must buy… To me it is worth the bucks just for the remastered Amok Time.
the original season one
the remastered season one with HD DVDs
the remastered season one with Blu-Rays
the original season two
the remastered season two
the remastered season two with Blu-Rays
let’s hope by the time season three comes around there will only be two versions of the same thing. i’ll be watching on adobe and downloading the remastered episodes where i can find them.
I’m very curious….why (besides being cheap) won’t
CBS release the 2nd season in HD? What are they
waiting for? Is their a new technology thats waiting
on the horizon that they know is going to be released
and we (as consumers) don’t know about yet?
Or is CBS - Paramount behind a newer technology leap
thats in development that their keeping to themselves?
Blu-ray, please. No sale here.
hmm
at least they didn’t charge $150 for it… I want it but I want it in High Def!
Appologies if you have already my post in the previous thread but here are the main points why it isn’t coming on blu-ray for a while.… there are two main reasons…
1) The whole set needs to be redone. The previous set was on HD-DVD flippers which hold 25gb and can be played by regular DVD players on the B side. The content of which were usually 3 episodes with some extras on the HD side and the same again in standard def with older extras from the previous set on the DVD side. If CBS use BD50s with twice as much storage space, there is no need for a ludicrous 10 disc set. Also, all the old extras will either be ditched or put onto the BDs which will mean re-authoring the menus. They could also put more episodes on a single BD. But then what happens to the packaging? The inside fits a 10 disc folding case. If you put more episodes on BD50s then that obviously means less discs. Ths means entirely new menus AND labels for the discs plus new insertsalong with new boxes. And there is also the delicate matter that Toshiba paid towards the production of the discs. Will they really want to help fund Star Trek on Blu-ray, the format that killed off theirs?
I don’t know if the episodes themselves would have be re-incoded with a different codec to work properly with Blu-ray. At the moment I can see compression artefacts on my HD-DVD set and I can see no reason why there should be ANY when there should be enough space for uncompressed files on HD. This was probably due to having to be able to have a DVD playable B side. I hope the BD sets improve on that when they eventually come out.
So, as you can see there are a lot of production issues.
2) It is strongly rumoured that Paramount are CONTRACTUALLY obliged not to release ANYTHING on Blu-ray for period of time. They might NOT be able to put it out on BD because of their contractual agreement with the HD consortium. They haven’t announced ANY new BDs since the fall of HD, so there is definetely more going on then just working out how to release The Godfather on BD.
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Putting TOS-R S2 out on DVD makes perfect sense to me. They have already made all the menus, the packaging exists and probably wont be able to be used on the BD set, it would probably be a huge slap in the face to CBS-D if they DONT release the episodes this year, and there are good many of us (including people on this board) who aren’t ready to upgrade to HD.
HD lost the war. Blu-Ray is the only High Def format studios are going to be producing now. That being said, there should be a blu-ray version of this.
Netflix to watch the remastered episodes,, then when BR is released I may purchase. If I remember correctly BB extras were shown just about everywhere w/o even purchasing the set and the treasure chest was kinda light, the price is way to high, even after amazon discounts it. There is no way this set will sell well over 100,000 units like season 1 HD DVD did. Maybe someone will learn a lesson when sales are slow, but as history shows maybe not.
Oh yes, forgot to say first LOL
I always wanted a box set of just the three “Tribbles” episodes. It just makes sense. About 10 years there was a VHS box set that was plastic (with holes in it) so that the the stuffed tribble inside could breath. It had a handle and was very cute. A DVD set would have been nice. Heck, now they can have the original version and the remastered version, plus the animated and DS9 episodes. It would be a nice set.
eh no thanks. something like this I will cherish for as long as blue ray is out. I will wait until the blue ray version comes out. in the mean time where the frak is the itunes version of trek.
Doomsday Machine and Amok Time are the highlights of this whole project. I want to see them in HD!!!!
Whenever TOS-R comes to mind these are the first 2 eps that stick out. Everything else was forgettable to me.
Sad part is, Paramount WAS producing Blu-rays before the misguided switch to HD. You’d think that infrastructure would still be in place. How hard is it to restart it all again and start whipping out Blu-rays? Or do they have to wait until the end of their contractual obligation with Toshiba to end? Which, I think ends the 31st of May (along with everyone else’s). Too bad, because Top Gun (a movie which I loathe, but others like) and many others were already pressed in Blu-ray before the HD switcheroo. And now Star Trek re-mastered (a project borne partly out of HD’s improvement in resolution) will be only a slight improvement over the old standard copies save for the remastered FX scenes; and in most episodes that’s a minute or so of footage! Give me a break!
just trying to milk it…more $$$. release it now on standard DVD and later on Blu-Ray (which is the one I’m waiting for)
Blu-Ray doesn’t support combo discs. So this set(along with every other new release for the foreseeable future) will be released on both Blu-Ray and DVD. The Blu-Ray release is coming, just give Paramount time to produce it.
Nope….waiting for Blu…this remastering project was intended for HD and I’ll wait until it’s presented that way.
Booyah. I can’t wait.
I said this before, but if it is going to be more than $50, I’m not buying. Since I have season one on HD, I’ll just wait for the someday when it’s released on Bluray and get a combo player. If they ever exist.
I’ll wait on blu-ray. I bit on HD-but not on SD. I will wait. Good luck, Paramount.
21:
Fortunately, there is such a thing as discounts. I love me my discounts. Go out to Borders, get a membership, and wait for an email to come telling you that you’ve got 30% off. It won’t quite reach $50, but it’ll get you down a good chunk. That’s what I’d recommend at least.
#17 “just trying to milk it…”
Not trying, succeeding. They know how gullible star-trek fans can be, and I expect a few of those claiming “no way” will secretly buy this… and then they will release the HD or Blue-whatever it is and they will buy those too.
Just take all those people who bought the first HD one along with a special HD player and a free tacky phaser gun. Just how much money did they spend just to watch this 40 year old TV series that they’ve already bought and seen? I’ll watch it if they show it on TV.
For all you guys complaining that its not in Blu-ray, think about it this way. When season 1 came out on HD as well as DVD, it was a marketing for the HD DVD line. However, the demand wasn’t high enough. That was the first televison series that I know of to come out on a High Def format. All other series haven’t done it and probably won’t do it for a few more years. As for me, the fact that DVDs are cheaper and cross compatible with Blu-Ray is a good enough reason for me. A few more pixels is not going to ruin my enjoyment of Star Trek. Just sit back and enjoy it for all that it is worth.
i am waiting for blu-ray too , i just brought a hd lcd screen , so i want to use it , and since blue ray won the war i guess i will pick up a player soon , so put it on blu-ray or else !
I’ll be buying thisone! I bought the HD DVD version and I’m sad that it’s not on BR but there’s no telling when that will happen. I’m buying to see the full uncut episodes remastered at least at DVD quality more than anything. Yes I have a HD DVD player. The FX by themselves make this worthwhile!
10. Toonloon… “But then what happens to the packaging? ”
That packaging for Season 1 was the WORST. CBS really should have junked the whole system and just released TOS-R in a new case.
TOS-R on Blu-Ray desperately needs an entirely new (and much less fragile) case.
24. non-fanatic… “Just take all those people who bought the first HD one along with a special HD player and a free tacky phaser gun. Just how much money did they spend just to watch this 40 year old TV series that they’ve already bought and seen? I’ll watch it if they show it on TV.”
I was in the market for a new HD TV and was looking at HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray last fall, and I bought HD-DVD because that was the format Star Trek was going to be on. I knew I was taking chances, but I didn’t foresee Toshiba folding so rapidly (I thought it’d be another year before a clear winner emerged.)
And I never got the stupid phaser gun! They sent back my application saying I forgot to send one of the myriad proofs of purchase, but it was right there in the envelope!
25. Aragorn189… ” That was the first televison series that I know of to come out on a High Def format.”
I think that honor belongs to “Heroes, Season 1″. I remember it being on the shelves when Season 2 started airing on NBC.
Well it so happens that I do not have this season on DVD.
I am not in the market for a blue ray player.
Also I have a reasonably large screen television but it is is not high resolution.
Now since I wont be buying either a the television or or Blue ray player for quite a while, this is not a rip off for a sucker fan but a really good buy!
THANK YOU PARAMOUNT
The right thing to do would have been to continue to release the rest of the enhanced series in the DVD/HD combo format at a discount since they hooked so many loyal Trekies into shelling out their hard earned $ for it.
Shame on all of you Paramount Honchos.
This Enhanced project has been half ass all the way through since the beginning. Such as :
- unenhanced episode previews included in the set.
- closing credits not enhanced.
- film not fully restored. Many pops and scratches are still visible in all
the episodes.
- episodes not released in original air sequence.
I guess quality doesn’t matter much to Paramount, but dollars do.
Me thinks the 3rd season will be in red.
I think that Paramount, by releasing this poisonous product, is trying to kill all of us. I hate them for presenting me with the opportunity to watch an entire Star Trek Season, in cleaned up, restored prints, and with new special effects, for $69. That is not merely an insult- this is clearly an attempt to destroy all Star Trek fans everywhere.
Not. I can’t wait to buy the set.
We now return to our regularly scheduled negativity-fest.
I’m with THX 1138. $50 max is all this SD season set is worth. I won’t be buying it new, that’s for sure.
I’ll wait for a garage sale to pick this one up.
Gary Seven is right
FFS what is wrong with some of you people. What exactly do you expect Paramount to do? what is it they are not doing? the set costs 15 bucks more than the 2004 set. You dont want it, dont buy it. Blu-ray will likely come later.
jeeez
If they were to re-release season 1 on SD, I MIGHT consider buying these. I say that because I don’t have an HD player, I don’t have a blu-ray, and I’m not paying $150 for something if I can’t access all of it.
I’ve only seen a few of the remastered episodes, and have not been very impressed with it–the fx have mostly been pretty good, but the Enterprise looks too fake. I like the original model because it feels real and tangible–the CGI version is too slick and plastic-like.
That being said, I REALLY want to see season 2 episodes remastered. Amok Time and Mirror, Mirror especially.
Anyway, I doubt I’ll be buying this, especially at that price. But we’ll see.
Blu-ray will come later. Just remember that DVD is still still the winner of this war.
This whole mess is indicative of an inept Marketing Team. I’m sending a message to those folks and letting my copy of the TOS-R Season Two, rot on the vine at Amazon.com HEADS-UP OVERSTOCK.COM! YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE FLOODED WITH TOS-R Season Two BOXSETS!
BTW, TWO FLASHES FOR NO, from Captain Pike.
Get a clue, Paramount.
I bought the Season One discs right away because of the HI-DEF remastered effects. Without the HI-DEF (be it HD-DVD or BLU-RAY), I’m passing on buying Season Two.
Don’t forget that Season 1 does have a Standard Def version, which can be played on any standard DVD player. If you have an upconverting DVD player with HDMI, the standard def first season looks nearly as good as the HD version on a large 1080 capable display. I bet anything below 42 inches or at 720i and you can’t tell the difference. So good, that 99 percent of won’t be able to tell.
The Season 1 HD-DVD sets can be had for good prices now that HD-DVD is dead. Sure, not low enough for some people’s taste who come here! : )
This Season Two set is likely to have been mastered as well and should be as good!
If you don’t want to go Blu-Ray, this will be a very nice set to own. And I’m sure there will many who will want the original versions with original optical effects as soon as a Blu Ray version is announced.
Anthony, I think the main reason people are upset is that the entire purpose of the remastering process was to release these in Hi-Def. NOT to insert new special effects (which have really run the gamut), NOT to relese it yet again on SD, but to finally give Star Trek the HD once-over. Paramount further angered everyone by ditching BluRay and going for a format a lot of people predicted would go nowhere (and boy, did it go there FAST).
So is it really such a surprise people are upset when Paramount/CBS announce the release of a show remastered for high definition viewing will be released on standard definition discs only? Sure, we’ll likely get a BlueRay release within a year or so. But in the meantime, it’s just another frustrating decision in a long line of frustrating decisions. It’s a bit like making a game for PS3, but it only plays on a PS2. Sure, it’s nice you get the game at all, but it seems somewhat pointless at the same time.
I’m not personally angry (maybe annoyed at best) but I can understand why some are.
i’m pretty sure this means shatner will be appearing in the film.
Anthony… “FFS what is wrong with some of you people. What exactly do you expect Paramount to do? what is it they are not doing?”
Firstly, the HD-DVD box set design was terrible. Mine broke within a day, and I was careful because the reviews had all commented on how fragile the case was (lamenting such a cheap case for such an expensive DVD set). This new DVD-only set case seems to be identical to that case. So CBS-Paramount is ignoring well-known problems with their Star Trek DVD product. Oh, happy day.
Secondly, CBS-Paramount has made no mention of Blu-Ray at all. So they remastered Star Trek for the express purpose of bringing the show into the HD world, and now they are quietly pretending HD doesn’t exist. Sure, a SD DVD-only set is a good idea, but the fact that CBS-Paramount are releasing Season 2 first, instead of relaunching TOS-R with a SD DVD-only Season 1 speaks volumes about CBS-Paramount’s intentions… and those intentions are not in the best interest of the Trek core audience.
I would have settled for a simple “Season 1 and 2 on Blu-Ray coming in 2009″ but CBS couldn’t be bothered to do even that. Their silence on the matter is deafening.
The question shouldn’t be “why are you guys so outraged by this”, Anthony, it should be, “why _aren’t_ you?”
Ignore Fleet Captain Pike, that was a stutter. He eats this stuff up. ;-)
The human predilection for emotion never ceases to intrigue me. The product offered is launching at a lower price point than the SD sets that have been on the market for 4 years; I guarantee similar markdowns from MSRP. I won’t be getting it, but I was big into Blu back when the Trek Remastered people were calling it “the other format” so, that’s how I’ll get this.
Someone asked if the encoding needs to be redone: not to make it work, but to make it better is the answer. The VC-1 encode could be ported direct, or redone with less compression, but my unsolicited advice would be to ditch VC-1 and go with AVC, which seems to fare better with “blind taste tests.” That may mean mucking with the process more than anyone over there wants to.
Given the large differences between a Blu release and the Season 1 HD release, what with no SD-DVD, more space per disc and the pressure this puts on the producers to repackage and redo menus, I’d expect that the longer we wait, the better. The consensus here on the Remastered project is that we wish they’d taken the time to do it more carefully and consistently. I wouldn’t dare hope they might improve the content, but even better compression and packaging would be worth waiting longer IMHO.
In the meantime, bring on the iTunes!
I hope this tanks big time. F Paramount for their stupidity in going with HD-DVD. If they are still contractually obligated to not produce Blu-ray, they are the stupidest bunch of MF’rs on the planet. My guess is that they are going to try and milk as many folks on the SD versions and then the BD versions will be out before the movie gets here.
With the rumors that all the movies are getting a new cleaning as well, I would look for the SD release to be followed in only a few months by a BD release. Anyone that double dips on some of these cleaned up movies (if I did, it would be a triple dip on DVD alone), is dumb, dumb, dumb if in the end they want it in HD.
As for me, I will be renting these if available. TOS Remastered stopped showing where I am last year, so there are a lot I have not seen- but there is no way I am buying this set in SD.
Again- F Paramount for the bloody thing they did.
#12: Netflix has the remastered eps??
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Buying a HD Series on (forgive me) LD-DVD which will make it’s way to BD eventually some day? Nope! What are they thinking?
#40
I have an upscaling HD-DVD player. I have compared the Season 1 DVD side to the HD-DVD side on my 37″ LCD TV and you can clearly see the difference.
#32 & #34 … Thank you. Peldor joi to all.
re: post 48- How far away were you sitting? At normal viewing distance, a non-home theater nut is not likely to notice the difference, or he/she will be indifferent to it.
That’s another reason the SD version is coming out now. They have to re-tool for Blu-Ray, they know there’s a demand for the Remastered on DVD. A large majority of fans (and America) are not into HD yet. Some may accuse CBS of milking the fans, but if you owned a business and you had something people wanted, and people willing to buy, it makes sense to sell it now.
I’m not endorsing or dissing this release. I realize CBS could take time and hold off and get the BD version out later. But I suspect there’s an expectation for this S2 release, especially since Season One has already been released. Personally, I’ll probably buy it.
I have no problem with it being released in DVD only format. I have no problem with the Remastered project in general. The reason I am not buying it (at least now) is because I am satisfied with watching the originals in VHS format. Yes, it would be nice to see it in HD, but for the most part there really isn’t anything about Star Trek that would be any better for me by seeing it that way.
I started out watching it on NBC and later on 16mm syndicated prints. If I were to buy it in another format, regular DVD would be just fine. But I don’t need even that to enjoy the show. Someday down the road if I had some extra spending money, I would maybe go for it in DVD or HD, but it’s not essential.
The only thing that really matters is seeing Star Trek as portrayed by Shatner, Nimoy, Kelly, etc.
In my opinion, that is the ONLY Star Trek that matters, whatever the resolution.
#4. Denise
“…To me it is worth the bucks just for the remastered Amok Time.
Do you think they’ll remove the faux pas of Nimoy standing in the background, casually relaxing, not realizing that the camera, while filming Shatner and Bones talking to T’Pau, has a clear shot of him? That was so funny! Poor guy. Guess no one noticed that because they were really focussed on the foreground action.
kg
Sorry. #52 Should read “while filming Kirk and Kelley talking to “T’Pau”…
It’s really late (again).
kg
Katie#52- Casually relaxing? No way! Are you sure,K? Oh, I must now go pull my first DVD (bought only about 8 months ago) and review for clarification.
#21 Combo players do exist. Check amazon.com or circuit city. Samsung and LG both have a combo Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Player…but they are not cheap
The best course is to wait for the Blu-ray versions, of course. Paramount has been slow and stupid about transitioning from its HD-DVD blunder, but eventually will make the change. The major selling point for the remastering was to prepare the series for high-definition viewing, so don’t waste money buying the standard DVDs. Instead, if you want to see the uncut remastered episodes, rent the DVD versions from Netflix.
#55 Dave L - No, and I’ve been told they’re quite crappy too, especially the LG player.
Nice. I’m all over this. I have the first season and I love the fact that I can watch it in1080p glory or flip it and watch it on the regular DVD player in my bedroom. Sadly, that is functionality that blu-ray does not enjoy.
So I’ll buy this set, enjoy it on my regular DVD player and down the road, someday, when blu-ray players becomes affordable I’ll buy one and hopefully pick up the hi-def version of season 2, if it’s even available.
But right now, releasing this on the dominant DVD format (Standard DVD) makes perfect sense and I’m happy to be able to buy it.
Will it be true HD? No. Will the standard DVD version look awesome on a standard or upconverting player? Damn right it will…better than season 2 has ever looked before and believe you me, I’ll be there, front row and center.
Must have! Gimme gimme gimme GIMME!!!
CBS inc.
They must think Trekkers / Trekkies have bottomless pockets.
By the time all has been said and done, triple dipping, quadruple dipping, anyone, anyone ?
I think I’ll wait for the holographic episodes that are stored on a 1in by 1in cube, the entire run of the show on that cube using Quantum storage of course, what, don’t think it’ll happen ?
CBS inc would do it just to get another buck off of us, and you know it.
I’m waiting till they can put all 700 episodes and 11 movies on one disc.
I honestly don’t care about the “whys”. The plain fact is that I won’t spend money on DVDs when I know the content could be in Hi-Def. They’re not going to get $100 from me now and $200 down the road.
Blu-ray or no sale. I have enough restraint to not have to have it nownownow.
I’ll start capping the HD episodes off my local affiliate first.
That being said, I’m glad to see Season 1 get a bit cheaper. I have both formats of players, and I’d certainly be willing to pick that up.
No, no, no. I have the standard DVD’s of the originals, and they’re getting me by just fine.
When BR comes out of all three seasons, I’ll laugh at their $400 + combined price tag, wait another year or two after that, then get them on Ebay for a quarter of their original price.
I’m done dishing out cash to this company. Find another fool, CBS/Paramount….
This is a bummer.
I’m going to wait until this is available in HD. Since I have an HD setup it makes no sense to buy it now. I’ll bet it will be at least a year before that happens. Wonder if Season 3 will come out in a combo format w/BD.
Question: aside from plain greed, or massive disrespect for their consumer base, has there ever been a explanation given for why the Star Trek box sets have always retailed for so much? There are new shows with just as many episodes per season as Trek that retail for less than half the price of the average Trek box.
I can’t wait to see “Doomsday Machine” uncut, so I may get the SD set, even though I’m really disappointed that they’re not doing it in BluRay.
Anthony, do you know what’s on the 9 featurettes?
arrrr…
the only concession I have made is buyin’ dvds in wide screen format as I see how tha’ new tellys are shaped like billiard tables…
anyone fur snooker on tha’ plasma?
I may get this fur me brother (got him season one) cuz he’d truly love ta’ see some o’ tha’ new defects… on his twenty year old low-def telly…
arrrr….
Fool me once shame on Paramount, fool me twice shame on me. I plunkered down $180 for season 1 on HD DVD just to watch the entire format go up in smoke. Thanks to Circuit City, I returned my HD DVD player for a full refund and bought a Blu Ray player, but if Paramount thinks I’m going to go out and buy just the standard DVD version they must take me for an idiot. No I’m waiting for Blu.
The Star Trek: The Ultimate Rip-Offf
My regards to format Dunsel…
43:
People forget that there originally weren’t going to be any DVD releases on HD or otherwise until late 2008 or 2009. The Toshiba deal with Paramount moved the DVDs forward a year…then the deal blew up. so we are back on the original schedule. I am not happy that things arent perfect, but I cant be ‘angry’ that they are issuing season 2 on DVD for a reasonable price. There are a lot more DVD players out there than HD DVD players and Blu Ray players. And most importantly…you dont HAVE to buy it.
I can understand wanting all seasons out on all formats, but that was never going to happen by 2008. It is an unreasonable expectation and the over the top anger is misplaced
I’ve read all the posts on here and not one of them consists of “over the top anger”. I would like a definition on that. I just see people who got screwed once already and won’t be taken as fools again.
Paramount is simply trying to limit their losses with this SD release of season two. That said, as a consumer who bought season one for the HD presentation, I agree and empathize with those who are frustrated with this decision. Although another combo-format release would surely ward off the frugal buyer (as most combo releases did), I’m not willing to purchase the next season unless it comes out in HD - only then can the full extent of the remastering process be appreciated. I’d even be willing to buy and HD-DVD only version if it were available. What I won’t do is plop down $60 on a set that limits my full enjoyment and be obsolete within a year!
It is obvious that a BD version will be made available at some point, though it’s anyone’s guess how long that will take. My hope for the interim is that Paramount will fix some of the problems with the original HD-DVD release: the packaging, the compression artifacts, and all the frames the remastering process missed, to name a few. (I swear there’s about ten seconds of coffee stain on the upper-right-hand corner of “Tomorrow Is Yesterday” left untouched!) And I’d also like to see more in-show extras added to the episodes themselves, as the extra BD capacity should allow. I could care less what HD format it’s released in - Paramount needs to do a top-notch job on _all_ of it to pay proper tribute to a show with this much history!
I could care less what HD format it’s released in - Paramount needs to do a top-notch job on _all_ of it to pay proper tribute to a show with this much history!
I could not agree more!
re: 71- I’d say that Anthony is referring to people who say “F” Paramount or calling Paramount “Stupid” for releasing this set now instead of a Blu-Ray verison, or for calling this a rip-off.
All misguided anger in my opinion and not the kind of posts that respects anyone; this site, Paramount or other posters.
I think the release is fulfilling a need for a segment of the DVD buying market. It just so happens to not please a much smaller segment of the still new HD market. The vast majority of people still buy standard def, and many of them are Trek fans.
#74 “The vast majority of people still buy standard def, and many of them are Trek fans.”
Yep. Blu-Ray owners and HD owners are a drop in the bucket. compared to the folks out there still watchign standard DVDs.
The squeaky wheels are NOT the ones being listened to by the studio, rather the studio is listening to the wheels of common sense and good business. Who can blame the studio for that? Not me.
Hi-def fans will get their release but it will be awhile. In the meantime, those that don’t want to wait and don’t want to shell out $400 for a player to watch them on, won’t have to.
Oh, Paramount…BLU-RAY, please.
Hey, I don’t even have a Blu-Ray player yet and I’m waiting to buy these on BRD. I’m sure they look great on DVD, but wasn’t it the point in remastering them with new effects to bring them up to par with the high def market?
YAY! I can’t wait!! :-)
.74 .75
blah blah blah. If you’re such obvious Paramount ‘fanboys’, like you must own stock in Paramount. What do you care how they market the franchise? Corporate America has been ripping off the consumers for over two centuries and this kind of economy, people are getting sick and tuired of getting “scewed”. Like George Lucas’ 13 incarnations of Star Wars. Is he stupid for doing it, no. However, one would be stupid for buying every version and that’s all I’m hearing here, no one is stupid enough to buy all the versions, us “HD” people are waiting for the blu ray version. I’m sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities.
I want to see Paramount produce Blu-Ray versions of all 3 seasons, even if it matches the HD DVD content.
However, most of the general audience does not have any High-Definition capability, either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.
Until the technology matures, I’m not upgrading to High-Def, but I think the Season 2 DVD set is just as good as the unremastered Season 2 DVD set.
Whereas I did not get the Season 1 set, due to the astronomical price, and the fact that I didn’t want to invest in High-Def until the technology and pricing both matured, I might actually pick this up.
It’ll be a time before I can go to Blue Ray, since the Televisions are still too expensive, and Blu-Ray hasn’t matured enough yet (they are still updating the profile and firmware implementations and working out the kinks).
When decent 1080P televisions and Blu-Ray players become affordable, and Blu-Ray gets out of Service Pack mode, I’ll be able to invest in the new technology, and then could look for the Trek Moies and Original Series in 1080p.
The Season 2 set was something I wanted to see for Season 1, a DVD only release of the season with the Remastered episodes at a more affordable price than the HD-DVD/DVD Combo sets.
Bear in mind the following:
- Paramount and CBS can not use Blu-Ray yet due to contractual oblications regarding exclusive HD-DVD adoption.
- High-Definition content would need to be transcoded to Blu-Ray, and Blu-Ray does not support a Blu-Ray/DVD combo option, necessitating a separate Blu-Ray product and DVD product, doubling the cost.
- Blu-Ray was not on Paramount’s horizon, so they were not prepared to author disks and packaging for a Blu-Ray release. It takes time to design the menus, special features and other elements, and assemble them, test them etc. for Blu-Ray.
Some people don’t care why, as they have stated above, but if they want to present a problem or complaint to Paramount/CBS, it is only fair they take into account the reasons behind such decisions.
Paramount and CBS jumped on the wrong High-Def platform, and now have to bide their time.
They don’t like not releasing on Blu-Ray any more than everyone else here. They are probably spitting on the grave of HD-DVD.
I’ll be buying…..pre-ordering in fact
76 - I see no need for anger here. Common sense explains why it has not been done, and Paramount/CBS are probably just as frustrated.
I suspect that they feel somewhat conned in a way, but there’s probably little to be done in terms of a lawsuit or anything.
They are kicking themselves, hard, for not being able to release Star Trek in a High-Definition format, because it means lost revenue, and is a source of embarrasment for them.
I think my favorite little treat from all these is the “I Mudd” android torso shot. That was a cool little gift.
I still want to see the Billy Blackburn film by itself.
I was informed by my wife that I must pre-order season 2 on standard def because she thinks it reasonable to pay $69 for it. I presented my case, but she is a tremendous fan (as well as her father) so I have officially changed my position.
All in all, I’m a pretty lucky guy.
And John from Cincinnatti, exactly who has expressed anger at you for wanting to buy Trek on BD or HD? Take a deep breath.
@ Thorny.
Yes, I agree about the boxes, but that still doesn’t mean that they wont want to use them up if they already have a shed load of them
@ Joe Burns
“Someone asked if the encoding needs to be redone: not to make it work, but to make it better is the answer. The VC-1 encode could be ported direct, or redone with less compression, but my unsolicited advice would be to ditch VC-1 and go with AVC, which seems to fare better with “blind taste tests.” That may mean mucking with the process more than anyone over there wants to. ”
Thanks for that new info. I was hoping that someone would get technical. I hope they do recode them but bearing in mind all the cost cutting and time crunching that has already gone on in TOS-R, I can’t see them doing it.
If only they would re-render some of their earlier stuff if Blu-ray is going to be a while coming.
And why oh why didn’t they redo the credits??? A fan could do an episode in 1-2hrs if they owned all the HD episodes and had a fair idea where the stills came from on.
And finally… let’s hope they add 5.1 Dolby to the UK release this time. I had to sell my set and buy the US one because I could hardly hear the TrueHD soundtrack through my TV.
re: post 78- Yes, I enjoyed reading John from Cincinnatti’s post.
I don’t own Paramount stock and no offense was taken. I can understand exactly how you feel. But I don’t let little things like this bother me. I do have HD and I knew going in that the format war was still going on. It’s the risk you take being an early adopter of changing technology. And the whole HD format thing could very well drop Blu-Ray very soon and be replaced by downloads!
And I still have laserdiscs of Trek and Star Wars.
#60: I’m personally waiting for all of them on a microtape that I can play on my little grey box. :P
Here’s a fact, I don’t have an HD-DVD Player or Blue Ray Player all I want is the Episodes, Remastered, Uncut, and all in the same FORMAT!
re:61
Or, in Star Trek language……I’m waiting for all 700 episodes and 11 movies on a hyper-dimesional transponder array that’s 1 milimeter by 1 milimeter that can be inserted into the brain and then imagine better effects.
I received season 1- remastered as a Christmas gift and all I have is a standard DVD player. My roommate for her birthday got a flatscreen TV with an HD DVD player. So I decided to check out the HD side of season 1 on her TV. While I’m not as “tech-savvy” as some individuals here are, I did notice an improvement in quality between Standard and HD. Is it enough for me to boycott the release of season 2? In my opnion, not really. For me, I’m happy with my standard DVD side of season 1. Just to see the remastered episodes is a great experience. While I might eventually purchase a BR player, until THOSE go down in prices a little bit more, I’ll stick with my good ol’ fashion STANDARD DVD player and gladly purchase season 2 when it comes out. Some people are happy with this set coming out ‘DVD-only’, some are not. Can’t please everyone, not expecting to. But I do believe it will all be re-released yet again in the near future.
I’d just like to see the things priced somewhere near reality.
Paramount has always overpriced their releases, and generally had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into putting in a decent number of extras. Anybody else remember the prices on the original season sets? Usually upwards of a hundred bucks a set! And not just TOS, but all of the series were priced at that level, while Babylon 5, Buffy, Angel, etc., were going for around forty bucks a season.
The marketing division at Paramount are a mindless bunch of dolts who’ll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
So when’s it coming out on floppy disks?
Peace. Live long and prosper
The Vulcanista }:-|
I thought this was a message board for fans to post messages, thoughts and free speech. Not that I am angry or thought anyone was angry at me, but I defend those who are. Heaven forbid we live in a society where people are not allowed to get angry and express their feelings.
John, it’s just that I, for one, didn’t know what you were talking about.
Your comment seemed a bit heavy on the hyperbole.
I’ll not be having this.
But I’m not worried. I’m sure that Paramount will be bringing them out on Blu-Ray at some point in the future to make a few more bucks off of the ol’ Star Trek gravytrain.
And just as a side note, wow, those screenshot captures up at the top sure are dark for some reason?
I agree with 47!!!!!! and British Naval Dude. You can still get the story through the old rect. box 4:3 TV. You can download it from various sources and watch it on the computer. I have a PC hooked up to my 4:3 TV and it looks fine for video streams like ST:Phase II. (not recommended for reading though) The whole format upgrade scheme is just a way to get more money from the consumers. It has nothing to do with CBS-D or the Big P. I haven’t bought ANY ST DVD yet because they’re still on TV in syndication. I appreciate and like TOS-R and I will buy some used DVD sets on ebay someday. I will then take the discs and put them in a binder. The boxes will be going bye bye. Try to be less materialistic. It’s an evil from the dark side that just ruins your life. A good exorcism prayer or some blessed oil will help with that by the way. Just ask your local Vulcan high priestess.
78… I second the motion!
for thoes fans who have to wait for the blu i feel ur frustration- i on the otherhand am not high deff ready and only wanted a standard deff dvd release like all the other series.
i dont hate paramount for charging a smaller but dedicated fan base twice as much as the buffy/b5 fans- im proud star trek can pull a higher price.
as for me when the next gen box sets came out inAustralia- for $250.00 retail- i had every episode on tape so i waited- buying the original series seasons1-3 and enterprise for around $118.00 a season (Retail was $150.00)- a few years later they had the “ultimate Star Trek DVD sale” and i got TNG 1-7 DS9 1-7 & VOY 1-7 for between $60-80.00 each (Australian dollers)
i dont mind double/tripple dipping ect.
i liked the unique packaging but they do bug me day to day to open- so would even consider buying the seasons again in the cheaper cardboard box n plastic case- versions all come in collected versions in unique metal storage cases- thank god im a collecter- who loves packaging n desigh artwork or it could get thrustrating.
i do agree people should have the right to express anger at paramout- have free speach on these forums- dont start censoring n editing for the sake of better/exclusive acsess to paramount0- dont ler this be the next startrek.com which was just the studio’s mouth peice not the fans.
im done- sd dvd people buy up- once u get over remastered blu ray will make it all seem new n shiny again!
I know- I’ll use the $50.00 gift card I got from Best Buy from my stupid Toshiba HD-A3 purchase to buy the damn thing…. hey, waitaminute… OR I’ll just say SCREW Paramount like I should have in the first place!!!