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Star Trek’s Top Environmental Episodes (and Films) April 22, 2008

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“Judging by the pollution content of the atmosphere, I believe we have arrived at the late 20th century”
- Spock, STIV

On this Earth Day, TrekMovie.com takes a look at Star Trek’s best environmentally-themed episodes and films.


TrekMovie’s picks for the top environmental episodes of each series (and the movies).

The Original Series – The Mark of Gideon
A cautionary tale on over-population, the episode openly deals with issues such as birth control (generally a taboo subject on 1960s TV).

Honorable Mention:The Paradise Syndrome” Kirk gets happy by eschewing modern society

Next Generation -Force of Nature
Enterprise learns that warping around exploring new worlds and seeking out civilizations is actually damaging space itself, and imposes a limit on warp to protect the ‘space environment.’

Honorable Mention: "Home Soil” Terraformers (developers) ignore silicon life-form (endangered species) to their peril


Deep Space Nine –
Shakaar
Morality play on issues of land rights and the rights of farmers vs. the rights of the state.

Honorable Mention: "Sanctuary” A lesson on sensitivity to refugees and a population crisis

Voyager – Night
Janeway makes a choice and takes a stand against the Malon, the polluters of the Delta Quadrant.

Honorable Mention: "Friendship One” & "Time and Again" anti-nuclear stories of tech out of control

Enterprise – Cold Station 12 (Arik Soong/Augment Arc)
When experiments with genetics go bad…they go really bad.

Honorable Mention: "Hatchery” Ugly insects have ‘animal rights’ too

Movies – Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
The most obvious all Star Trek environmental messages, the ‘save the whales’ themed film was named one of the top environmental films. The connection here is that by saving the whales we save our selves, showing the interconnectedness of all species.

Honorable Mention: "Star Trek: Insurrection” Picard fights against strip mining (a planet’s atmosphere).

More on Earth Day
Wikipedia and Earthday.net

Comments

1. mike - April 22, 2008

happy earth day! now turn off your pc and plant a tree.

2. trekee - April 22, 2008

“Honorable Mention: “Star Trek: Insurrection” Picard fights against strip mining”

So THAT’S what the heck was going on!!!

Thanks for clearing that up for me…

3. Phil123 - April 22, 2008

Go Planet!!

4. VanEdge - April 22, 2008

strip mining!! LOLOLOL

5. RM10019 - April 22, 2008

Nemesis – For putting an end to Rick Berman polluting the theaters with bad Star Trek films.

6. Andy Patterson - April 22, 2008

I always loved “Paradise Syndrome”. It always made me feel peaceful and….”HAPPY”.

On another note, I can’t believe no one’s ever mined from this episode, the possibility of a story where Miramonee didn’t die, though whatever scifi means, and a Kirk offsrping being out there.

7. newman - April 22, 2008

haha “Picard fights against strip mining”

I never thought of it that way before

8. StarTrekkie - April 22, 2008

Force of Nature – The whole warp travel damaging space episode. That episode had the biggest reset button of all time I think.

9. John Tenuto - April 22, 2008

The mining reference is perfect, because the Son’a are mining metaphasic particles from the Baku planetary rings. Previous versions of the feature film script presented Romulans mining the planet, yet Michael Piller moved the mining to the rings because it was more futuristic mining. My wife and I utilize the film in our lectures about environmentalism and sociology.

10. US Taxpayer Dude - April 22, 2008

Haha! Strip mining!

Do you mean those mountains that once were found in Pennsylvania’s coal crackin’ country?

Ugly after effects to be sure… but it beats dying in a mine shaft (directly or indirectly as with Black Lung) as too many of my forefathers did.

The good news is this: while messes are often necessary, we clean them up as soon as we figure out how to do it. Where would we be without 19th and 20th C coal? Back in the Bronze Age to be sure. But thank God we figured out how to move beyond it, repair the damage, clean the water, and hopefully be smarter having learned all those bloody lessons the hard way.

Still, I wish Picard would have said something like, “If I have ethics superior to any other man, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of – dead – giants.”

If he had, TNG < would have been much more enjoyable.

11. Diabolik - April 22, 2008

I thought Insurrection was about Picard gettin’ some.

12. Andy Patterson - April 22, 2008

Also, I always like the way this show ended. A moving ending and an atypical Star Trek closing. Seems like a few third season ones ended this way. Makes you think what the show would have been like had it stayed on for the five year mission.

13. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - April 22, 2008

I vote for “The Doomsday Machine”.

It certainly cleared up any lingering pollutants or greenhouse gases that the planets of system L-370 were suffering from.

14. Dennis Bailey - April 22, 2008

Interesting that the only ones of those that were any good were “The Voyage Home” and the “Enterprise” episode that was part of the “Augments” arc.

15. SirMartman - April 22, 2008

“Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home“

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/551-whales-too-many-14040

SHAME ON JAPAN !

16. CmdrR - April 22, 2008

‘Mark of Gideon’ and ‘Home Soil’ are two low-water marks for their respective series. Sorry. The former is just plain dull, while the latter allows us to believe that a colony of scientists (ok, terra-formers) is dumber than the dirt they work with.

Happy to see out point out ‘Night’ and ‘Sanctuary.’ These are far better stories. In fact, both came as nice surprises in low points of ‘those’ series.

While I’m all for eco-friendly Trek, I gotts-ta have me some good story tellin’.

Happy Earth Day. (What about Vulcan Day… if ever there was a fixer-upper planet, it’s Vulcan. What did they do there, go nuts with the hair-dryers and aerosol mousse spray? Greenhouse? It’s hotter than hell!)

17. CW - April 22, 2008

I think we should all celebrate Earth Day by burning tires.

18. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - April 22, 2008

And the Borg were the biggest recyclers in the Galaxy.

19. Lyle - April 22, 2008

How can you pick “Home Soil” and not “Devil in the Dark?” It was basically the same episode – SIlicon life form is believed at first to be something other than it is, leading to death on both sides until a method of communication is found. Plus, DITD also has miners learning to work with their environment instead of against it.

20. Cyberghost - April 22, 2008

#10 agreed, but it too bad that a good portion of the world doesnt follow suit. The rain forest in Brazil is just a small fraction of what it once was. Its almost like we (USA) have gone back in time over the last 7 years. All the tax incentives that were given to the auto manufactured for developing higher efficent vehicles are now given to big oil, even with their record profits.

Hybrid cars? No Nobody has figured out how to dispose of the batteries, automobiles need to move to hydrogen based fuel, all that is put in the atmosphere is water.

21. Dr. Image - April 22, 2008

Yay. Insurrection. Underrated. A fun movie.
Would have been nice if IT were the last TNG film instead of the putrid and depressing NEM.

22. Danpaine - April 22, 2008

Paradise Syndrome was on TV LAND at six this morning as a matter of fact – it’s nice to get a Trek hit before trudging off to work….

23. Nathan - April 22, 2008

With a few exceptions, (Most notably Trek IV, which is one of the best Trek films of all time in my book, and Shaakar, which really isn’t enviromental at all) most of Trek’s forays into enviromentalism have been quite frankly awful. And don’t even get me started on Force of Nature and the horrid Warp Speed Limit (shudder); let me go ahead and say it: worst….idea…ever!

But, anyway, nice list…

24. AJ - April 22, 2008

The two TNG eps are way down the bottom of watchable Trek, and that pic from Force of Nature is like “Nightmare of the Buttheads,”

Insurrection was about what happens when one meets a stagnated society with no penchant for exploration or self-development. The Federation for some reason decides to aid in their destruction. I turned off my Star Trek hat in this one.

25. BSG is #1 - April 22, 2008

Global Warming is Fad….much like Global Cooling was in the 1970′s.

26. cap97 - April 22, 2008

Regardless of whether or not Global Warming is “real”, we DO have limited resources and our population IS increasing, so y’know…something is going to give sooner or later. Call it what you want.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI

27. Thorny - April 22, 2008

20. Cyberghost… “Hybrid cars? No Nobody has figured out how to dispose of the batteries, automobiles need to move to hydrogen based fuel, all that is put in the atmosphere is water.”

Um… guess where we get the bulk of our hydrogen…

28. Chris Doohan - April 22, 2008

“There be Whales here, Admiral”

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. My personal favorite for many reasons

29. 47!!!!!! - April 22, 2008

I’m not turning my computer off, but I’ll shut off any unneeded power. The computer IS needed!

30. James R. Kirk - April 22, 2008

I’m still pissed off at the Klingons for giving Scotty a sour stomach.

31. CmdrR - April 22, 2008

“Friendship One” seems vaguely familiar.
Oddly, this may be the only case of Trek stealing from Space: 1999, while the reverse happened a lot! The two stories head off in different directions, but check out how they each begin.

Interesting that the Space ep is titled “Voyager’s Return.”

32. Garovorkin - April 22, 2008

The global envirnonmental problems created by our our civilization may cause our downfall as a species. We have treated mother earth like a garbage dump sincebefore the industrial age began., we’ve effectively polluted our water, ground and air to the point where its not only effecting our health now, but those of our decendants. Plus you have deforestation of the rainforest in South America which shows no signs of stopping anytime soon because places like Brazil don’t care about the long only the short term econoic benefits. With the rainforest global climate is further compromised. Oh they will eventually cutting the forest when its all gone. Then there is the Kyoto accords whose purpose was to reduce global Emissions, But the united states wont ratify it, Why? because it would negatively impact the economy, and in any event the accords have been compromised to to the point of being ineffective anyways because it allows country’s like China and India to go on polluting, STUPID! Then thereis the whole issue of alternative to burning fossil fuel, Wind Farms, in cape cod people are working to defeat the project because the wind millls might spoil the damned view of the cape and Nuclear power no one wants one of those in their back yards Of course there is half hearted effort by industries to come up with fuel cell or more efficient Batteries to replace the internal combustion engine, but of course thats a no no to big oil which such things would cut into their profets. The other problem is that even simply steps an changes in our life styles might minimize some of these problems, but that require personal sacrifices which damned few people are willing to make. And politicans love those words like environment responsibility and save the environment, which sound great until after the elections, then become inconvenient and quickly get forgotten. Then there is the fact that we are driving whole species into extinction which could have long run reprecusions on the food chain and Us. The future for is Us one Word EXTINCTION .

33. CmdrR - April 22, 2008

Jeez, Garovorking. I sure hope someone’s building starships, so we can get off this trash heap and spread Mankind’s blessings to the far reaches of God’s creation.

34. That One Guy - April 22, 2008

33:

Hear, hear. I say that we terraform Mars.

But in all seriousness… Earth day is great fun. We do need to keep our planet in good shape. I was recently at a lecture by Jane Goodall (A Reason for Hope) at Purdue University. She said that by current estimates,
“we would need at least 6 more planets in order to sustain our way of life. But we don’t have 6 planets; we have just 1.”

Doctor Goodall made a very valid point: we need to protect our planet from exactly what we’re doing. If we all help out, it will start to see a rebound. I think that that is the one thing that we all can agree on, whether you be American, English, Australian, Ukrainian, German, Irish, Polish, Kenyan, Vulcan, Katarian, or Klingon: we need to make sure that the current generation of children, and their children live to see the Earth as a great and thriving place.

Goodall also said this: “I absolutely do believe that we have compromised our children’s futures. And for that I am truly sorry.”

For my generation (I’m 18, going to Ohio State), I don’t honestly feel that we have a lot to look forward to. I feel that my life is going to be spent picking up the ruins that parents and grandparents left behind because they didn’t think about what they could do to the Earth. I want to be a Marine Biologist in a few years time, and I just hope that I get the opportunity to study animals in their natural habitat. But instead, I’ll probably spend it all working on the impact that pollution has had on our coral reefs and lakes.

I’m not trying to sound selfish or pompous, but it is the truth. I don’t want to pay the price for the mistakes of those who came before me. It’s simply not fair to have my life and thousands of others compromised by actions of those who simply didn’t care.

Fortunately, my other love is Paleontology. I have a feeling that will be a growing field in the future.

35. CmdrR - April 22, 2008

That One Guy –
I’ll try to leave my bones in a readily-accessible place for you.

All glibness aside, I love the Earth. But, rather than getting angry and jumping on short-term actions, I would like to see real longterm changes. Education is usually your best friend. I do teach my kids the value of the wild places we visit. I urge them not to allow condos and crap to be built there. I ask them to check out how products come our way, avoid over-packaging, and other simple things.

I call it “51%.” All we have to do, any of us is stay afloat (50%, equalibrium) and then give back a mere 1%. If everyone did that, we really could keep Mama Earth healthy and get to the Stars, too.

36. Tim Handrahan - April 22, 2008

How about Star Trek V for the beautiful scenes of Yosemite and for Kirk making sure that the campfire is out and that they take care of the trash.

37. AJ - April 22, 2008

I was in China in March, and you cannot see the country from the air because of all the industrial junk in it. Even in agricultural areas. And breathing that air was a pleasure, let me tell you.

The corporate culture we live in is quite happy to farm out heavy industry to places like China and India, where people breathe in coal emissions 24/7 their whole lives to make a few bucks. Norway makes all of it’s export revenue from oil (and some fish). It’s the greenest and cleanest country I have seen.

Garovorkin, you should try and chill out. Al Gore is a politician. Has he forgotten? The changes are happening. It takes more time. I am recycling in the several US states I’ve lived in, and it’s the law, and it was discussed for years before it was passed, but now I do it. I currently reside in Sweden. No choice but to do so.

The ozone layer is repairing itself because of cuts in fluorocarbons. Have you seen all the windmills in Austria, or California? They are in giant empty fields. Hundreds of them. I’ve driven through and seem them from the air. Cape Cod has a point. Shall we put them on the cliffs of Dover or the Grand Canyon?

Nuclear power must always be on the table as well, but when we can do it.

I am liberal myself, mostly, but I believe it has to be driven by the free market. Entrepreneurs have to collect private equity to fund ventures that create these technologies outside of Big Corps, and then resist the urge to be bought out by them.

Our future will always be extinction, no matter what we do. So have another beer.

38. Sebastian - April 22, 2008

Though it DID approve of strip mining of natural resources (hey, the pergium has got to come from somewhere), “Devil in the Dark” has always been an important lesson not only in prejudice, but species conservation. And about humans learning to form a symbiosis with native creatures for the benefits of both. Even ‘Wrath of Khan’ dealt with the dangers of forcing terraforming on a planet where even a native microbe could exist; thus undoing the future ecology of that world and its life. To me, that spoke of over-industrialization at the expense of nature.

39. CmdrR - April 22, 2008

AJ, what part of China? My wife is Chinese; we were there in ’06. In Tianjing, the air is so polluted, your skin stings. The leukemia rate is probably huge, but there’s no official accounting. People just know their neighbors keep dying of “the blood cancer.” Buses are called “city squid.” Awnings rot (dissolve?) off the sides of buildings. Trees perish. And they have nuclear. It’s sitting squarely between the city’s edge and farmland. Considering China’s record with corruption, I wouldn’t want to live anywhere near one of those stations. The U.S. may be bad. But we are FAR from the worst.

40. AJ - April 22, 2008

CmdrR:

I was in Zhengzhou, about 90 minutes by plane SW of Beijing, on business.

When I flew into Beijing, it looked like it was burning, but with no fire.

Happy Olympics.

41. Spocko - April 22, 2008

Hopefully, the Earth will still be as luscious and beautiful in the 23rd century as it is now.

42. Colonel Kevin - April 22, 2008

This has been a fantastic list in depicting how Star Trek, throughout the years… has been pretty bad at tackling environmental issues. Within the series form anyhow.

Forces of Nature is definetely one of my least favourite episodes, if only for taking a big step in changing the Star Trek universe that that team was never going to be able to keep up. Certainly a pretty big stumble.

43. Sebastian - April 22, 2008

#39. Wow,CmdR, that is truly frightening. My in-laws went on a tour of China and even on the government approved tourist sites, they said the air was pretty foul. And China’s power/fuel needs are rapidly approaching the levels of the United States’ consumption; but without ANY kind of EPA to regulate the waste output or even make token efforts at enforcement. I worry about the world’s athletes going there this summer. I know one of them; he is a friend of mine, and I wish him lots of luck.

44. Sebastian - April 22, 2008

#44. On a more humorous note than my last post; does anyone remember after “Force of Nature” was broadcast, there were a couple of bumber stickers? I remember I saw them at a convention once; one said “Warp Five Saves Lives.” And another said, “Warp Five is not just a good idea; it’s Federation Law,” or words to that effect.

45. Gary Seven - April 22, 2008

Last time there was an environmental thread (on ST IV being voted best environmental movie), I was ashamed of many of the posts on a Star Trek site. The current posts on this thread, (so far)are mostly exemplary. I couldn’t believe that so many Star Trek fans, a group one would think respects scientists and science, and cares about life, would be so…..dumb. There were posts about how that the fact that the overwhelming majority of scientists are very concerned about global warming are only politically motivated. Or I seem to recall this illogical beauty- how Al Gore is a bad guy so global warming must therfore be a fraud, a conspiracy. Other other such impaired thinking pervaded the thread. I would expect such limited brainpower, in which primitive emotions flood over a rational process, by “Lost in Space ” fans, but Star Trek fans?
Anyway, glad to see the majority of the posters so far have decided to function in the reality-based community and to utilize their neocortex.

46. steve623 - April 22, 2008

“Global Warming is Fad….much like Global Cooling was in the 1970’s.”

There’s a great old episode of “In Search Of …” called “The Coming Ice Age”. *cue scary music and Nimoy’s sinister narration* Its a hoot.

47. That One Guy - April 22, 2008

46:

I don’t that I could agree more. The whole concept of “global warming” is bull. Yes, the Earth is in fact warming up. This is not “global warming,” it is called “climate change.” Global warming is a SYMPTOM of climate change, it is not its own little phenomenon that people are making it out to be. Yes, it is true that our carbon emissions are horrific and they do deplete the OZone, but it’s not a new thing.

About every 110,000 years, the Earth goes through this exact…. same… cycle….

There is absolutely nothing new at all, whatsoever, for the life of anything NEW about climate change. It has happened so many bloody times before. The period of time that humans have inhabited the Earth has been so repulsively stable, by geologic counts.

Now, I am not discrediting “global warming,” I’m simply debunking the whole thing where people think it’s all caused by our greenhouse emissions. We sped it up, we didn’t start it. Climate change is NATURAL.

I’m fairly liberal, so don’t go calling me a “stupid Republican conservative bastard,” because I’ve heard that one SO many times in the last few months whenever this topic comes up. We need to conserve our natural resources. As I mentioned earlier, my other love is paleontology. It took millions of years for those plants and animals to decay into oil and coal for us to use. So I don’t think that we can just wait around for the next batch to drop on by.

Please, use logic. Walk more. Take the bus. Save a marsupial!

48. steve623 - April 22, 2008

Hey, all I wanted to talk about was “In Seach Of”. :-)

49. That One Guy - April 22, 2008

Heh heh, sorry… it’s a personal pet peeve. I can go on for hours. Sorry ’bout that, Steve!

50. Rastaman - April 22, 2008

I’m with Sebastian and Lyle. “Devil in the Dark” was probably the best of the ecological episodes from the original Trek. A very important episode about respecting all lifeforms. I also loved how the Horta was mistaken for this malicious force when really it was just protecting its young eggs from the naive miners. Human can be so anthropocentic, and I always thought that “Devil in the Dark” communicates this all too well.

I love the Insurrection reference to “Strip Mining” the atmosphere. But I think Star Trek VI had a much clearer environmental message. Talk about over-industrialization! Praxis was mined until it exploded (however the hell THAT happens!?!) Nevertheless, it was an ecological disaster that brought the Klingon Empire to its knees.

51. Garovorkin - April 22, 2008

#33 CmdrR, # 37AJ I did go a little overboard didn’t I ? I can’t help it, everything that i see and read leads me to the conclusion that there may not be any future at. The efforts by people like Al Gore are nice but, i think that its to little to late ,I honestly hope I am wrong on this one. Things look pretty damned dark to me. I am pessimist I was not always so. #47 I know about the cycles of warming, i know for example there was period of time 600 million years ago where the whole world froze up completely for some 10 million years Snowball earth but then it warmed up. And prior to the dinosaur era there was a global warming event that parthed the earth to the point that most of dominent animals died off clearing the way for the dinosaurs and there have warming and cooling periods though out , but this one may be a little different, the carbon emissions of our civilization may have a decidedly more dramatic effect this time around.

52. Gary Seven - April 22, 2008

I post on #45, and it takes only two posts (#47) to prove my point. People think they know more than the scientific consensus, that “global warming is bull.” Emotionally driven beings, we are.
It’s things like that which represent a direct challenge to Roddenberry’s vision of how humanity, through the enhancement of its own abilities, could build a better world. I hope Roddenberry is right and I try to foster it in the ways that I can. But then I read a post like #47 and I see this is going to be a challenge.

53. CmdrR - April 22, 2008

AJ — read Cormac McCarthy’s The Road, but only whilst being massaged by a eur-asian nymphette. For a Pulitzer-winner, it’s a pointless bummer — which is kinda the point.

Then read Isaac Asimov’s The Last Question, which is shorter and far less nihilistic.

The point is… as Picard said, “Seize the time, Meribor – live now! Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.”

Worlds end. It has always been thus. That does not diminish God, this moment, or the value of you.

54. CmdrR - April 22, 2008

My God, I got through all that without one putrid pun. Vulcanista, you see that? Not sure I can do that often. Spockanella, ‘Beach, say something pseudo-lewd, quickly.

55. Garovorkin - April 22, 2008

The Mark of Gideon was an interesting cautionary tale about over population .the episode was produced aound the time that Harry Harrisons novel Make Room, Make Room came out at least i think that they came out at the same time.That book was the Basis for The Charlton Heston Edward G Robinson (his last film by the way). To say that the population would increase to that level is unlikely because nature would intervein to prevent a population explosion like that, Disease would kick in and curtail the population. The leader Gideon statement about the planets atmosphere being germ free is unlikley as well.

56. CmdrR - April 22, 2008

Rastaman — “Praxis was mined until it exploded (however the hell THAT happens!?!) ”

OK — that brings up the whole ‘how planets die’ in sci-fi. i guess Krypton kicked things off, by… well, kicking off. Since then, sci-fi, Trek included love to get some planets blow’d up.

Psi-2000 – It sun went dark (which completely explains both the atmosphere and the light source on the planet’s surface) and old Psi shrank.

Beta Niobe went nova, taking poor Sarpeidon with it.

Kirk says of the Platonians, “their planet novaed” — wow.

Ceti Alpha VI blew up, laying waste to poor Ceti Alpha V.

The Doomsday Machine smashed planets to rubble and then digested them. (think of a side-by-side of a planet and the evil snow cone, and consider how long that would take.)

Both Veridian III and Earth have gone ker-blooee in altered timelines, then apparently lost all mass or else they would have fallen back together again. Physics, you know.

What am I missing? Since this is Earth Day, what other ways do we blow the snot out of planets?

57. [The] TOS Purist aka The Purolator - April 22, 2008

“Ugly insects?” I actually thought the Xindi insectoid babies were kinda cute.

58. The Vulcanista - April 22, 2008

#57

Baby Xindi are good boiled in either Reese’s Shrimp & Crab Boil or Old Bay seasoning and served with a nice tartar sauce on the side. Or maybe a nice coctkail sauce, if you prefer.

Oh, wait. That’s crawfish.

Never mind.

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

59. The Vulcanista - April 22, 2008

#56: “Since this is Earth Day, what other ways do we blow the snot out of planets?”

That bowling-ball matter/antimatter thingie that Kirk and Garrovick carried down to the planetoid in “Obsession” should do the trick nicely, I would think.

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

60. Inside Guy - April 22, 2008

The words “Honorable” and “Star Trek: Insurrection” should never appear in the same sentence.

61. Jeff - April 23, 2008

No one mentioned “The Trouble With Tribbles”?!

Remember that tribbles, taken out of their natural environment, breed uncontrollably because there aren’t all those predators eating them.

62. Sebi - April 23, 2008

There will be no global environmental thinking until everyone has enough food to eat. Here in Europe, in the US, Australia … everyone got the message that saving the environment is something that is very important. But look at all those other countries (India, China, whole South America…). They don’t care because they don’t even now how to feed themselves and their children. That’s the first problem that has to be solved and it has to be solved quickly (because of environmental issues).

So could PLEEEEAAAASE someone invent replicators? C’mon, it can’t be that hard.

63. SoMuchCoolerInPerson - April 23, 2008

63. But let’s continue to reward both China & India by buying all of China’s crap merchandise while outsourcing all our customer service jobs to India.

Perhaps, Anthony, it would be best if we stayed away from these hotbed topics for the sake of our collective blood pressure.

64. AJ - April 23, 2008

Sebi:

As a corollary to that, look how wasteful the West is with the food they have. I have spent lots of time in Russia and Eastern Europe, and they won’t throw away a half-eaten piece of bread. While we dump loads of uneaten food into the trash. Also, we eat too much, and we hear “Snack time is anytime!” from the TV, and consume Cheetos and Coke between lunch and dinner and get fat.

Also, I would re-phrase your point, and say those governments are struggling with feeding their people.

65. CmdrR - April 23, 2008

What if the replicators run on gas??

66. thebiggfrogg - April 23, 2008

Yeah global warming is all natural. Perhaps SCIENTISTS are on to something that the puffed up, windbags of the radio punditocracy have missed. If you don’t believe humans can have a HUGE impact on the environment, come to China. I’ve lived here for three years and believe me we have a big effect. So what if global warming is not human caused (which I doubt)? What harm is it going to do to find clean alternatives that prevent choking air pollution, et cetera. If creative, alternatives ways of feeding the energy maw are developed the only losers are going to be the old energy companies. It won’t kill the economy, the economy will only shift. Sorry, but you won’t get me to shed one tear for Exxon, BP, Shell, et. al. If your a capitalist that is true market capitalist, adapt or die. If they can’t, I say: Bye, bye. And may we all one day brief a bit easier.

Okay, rant over, now back to regular Trek diversions.

67. thebiggfrogg - April 23, 2008

Whoops, sorry about the typos. Should read before posting I guess. Where is duotronics when you need it?

68. Garovorkin - April 23, 2008

#63 Sebi I honestly don’t think replicator technology is in the cards, Believe me something like that, probably solve a multitude of Problems. You mention Ida and china. I think China’s Pollution issues are right now slightly worse then Indai. Recently i was watch something on tlevsion which they said a sigincant number of china rivers were polluted with industrial wasteto the point where its unfit for any kindof use. but it has not stopped the people in the villiages from using and drinking an irrigating their crops. the cancert rates and other problems have been exploding, the governent won’t crack down on these polluters because they are afraid of damaging economic progress. they look the other way when these companies dump poisons into the rivers. It is sickening that thy little regard for the very workers that helping build china. Ther is also the practical side of the problem and that isthat the resulting Pollution related health problems in the long are going to be bad for China anyways, so why not nipp the problem in the bud and enforce the rules. Healthy worker do tend to translate into a better situation for the country as a whole. Then there is the Three Gorges GDam project which should in theory solve china energy needs. this one to is shortsighted becasue for one thing they built the dam in the middle of Earhquake Zone. The river itself has problem with Silt bulid up which could add maintance costs and ccause other problems. Then there is the fact that its goiing to be submerging a large number cities villiages and Factories, so the lake in back of the dam is going to be a poisonous morass. Where the dam is situated aloin with the silt problem, I would say this is a recipe for disaster on epic scale. It just boggles the mind

69. Barihawk - April 23, 2008

Arguing about global warming is going to get us nowhere. I do have to agree with frogg on this one. Researching new technologies does not hurt at all. In fact, it’s cheaper! Living in West Texas, almost half of our power needs are met by wind generators. Hydro-electric, solar, and wind power systems are gaining speed and efficiency. Alternative fuels are being heavily researched and now even the President has commissioned a national push for green fuels.

But while this will benefit the US, UK, EU, and other First World nations, what’s going to happen in others? Probably not much. And that’s the tragedy. It takes money to clean things up, and most of the world doesn’t have it.

70. 'Beach O. Inthanity - April 23, 2008

54
CmdrR
You asked me to say something lewd
though it’s prob’ly too late for that, Dude
This thread is depressin’
And snippy, no guessin’
As for blowin’ up planets, by far
The Big Gray Badass Death Star

58
‘Nista
Baby Xindi are best when marinated in Romulan Ale for twenty-four hours, then seared in Bunta spice and then oven-roasted for three hours at three hundred degrees. Kelvan, of course.
And don’t forget the lima beans and a nice malt liquor….

71. JSanders - April 23, 2008

In a way that’s typical of the respective series, TNG faces the issue head-on with somewhat of a blunt instrument, resulting in a message that’s clear, but not very dramatically interesting. While DS9′s Shakaar deftly integrates an environmental issue into a storyline with some real impact on it’s characters beyond the scope of the issue itself.

I constantly go back and forth as to which series was better. The clear and direct TNG which sometimes came off as juvinile, or the more sophisticated and subtle DS9, which too often got in it’s own way. Anthony’s breakdown here just brought that out again for me.

Thanks!`

72. CmdrR - April 23, 2008

‘Beach & ‘Nista –
Add fava beans and a nice chianti, and I’m there.

73. 'Beach O. Inthanity - April 23, 2008

Xinid babies, they are wot’s fer dinnah
When cooked right they sure are a winnah
So succulent, tasty and sweet
Xindi babies, the other white meat

Faht Bahstad the tale he did tell, he
did so, tho big, fat, and smelly
With hot veggies, bread, and mint jelly
Xindi babies, get in mah belly!

74. That One Guy - April 23, 2008

#52, should you ever return to this, I urge you to carefully reread my post, 47. I take offense to the fact that you say that I do not share the Roddenberry vision for a better future. I whole-heartedly believe in that future.

I simply was pointing out the natural phenomena that occur with our Earth and that “Global Warming” and “climate change” are two separate, yet intertwined things.

We absolutely need to stand together to fight our battle against the effects that we are having. We are destroying our oceans and forests, two things that are absolutely essential to life here on Earth. There is also the fact that I am PART of the scientific community. I have researched this topic a fair deal and have come to the conclusion that “global warming” is simply a product OF climate change. We are partly to blame in the acceleration of this process, but we did not start it. If we did, then I would love for someone to explain the humid conditions of 65 million years ago and the more-recent Ice Age, and how those two are spaced apart.

A better future is just beyond the horizon. But it’s not going to happen unless people like me and you and everyone else on this board can come together, put our personal wording differences aside, and fight the war on the Earth that we are putting ourselves through. We absolutely need to conserve energy, switch to more-efficient non-carbon-based systems. And thank you “thebiggfrogg,” for furthering my point.

My God… I’m such a windbag. I really MUST be a democrat…

Anyways, back to Xindi babies:

Xindi Burgers:

2 pounds ground Xindi
1 cup wine (for marinading)
1 teaspoons Paprika
1/2 teaspoon Nutmeg
2 Tablespoons Garlic Powder
1/2 cup onions
1/2 stick of butter

Cook the Xindi in whatever fashion you find best (grilling, frying, or broiling) until patties are medium-well done. Place in wine for overnight marinade.

Take patties out of wine. Sprinkle with garlic powder.

Mix the nutmeg, paprika, onions in a pan with the butter. Simmer until onions are golden brown. Add Xindi patties. Place on buns. Use whatever condiments you please.

Consume and enjoy.

75. That One Guy - April 23, 2008

PS. The above recipe is also good with beef products, an acceptable substitute for Xindi if none are present.

76. AJ - April 23, 2008

71:

But maxing out at Warp 5 was pointless, and it took an important element out of the show for the rest of its run, and in subsequent series, they thankfully disowned it.

77. Go Spock! - April 23, 2008

happy earth day!

78. Garovorkin - April 23, 2008

Force of Nature was a really dumb next Gen episode. Warp Speed limit that story concept would not been even good enough for a TOS season three episode. That script should have been rejected from the start. but at that point it was also obvious that the next generation as a TV show was creatively running on fumes anyway.

79. Mark - April 23, 2008

#78 – You are exactly right. That episode was left-wing propaganda being shoved down our throats.

Global warming is a bunch of hooey. An alleged “global” problem requires a “global” solution, doesn’t it? In other words, give up your freedoms and national sovereignty. If you want the truth about global warming check out

http://tinyurl.com/2brw6p

The goal of global warming propaganda, as I mentioned above, is to brainwash people into voting away their liberties. Several comments above, where people think the world is going to end in 3 weeks, are proof that it’s working.

80. Garovorkin - April 23, 2008

#79 Mark On the issue of Global warming Im not to sure about that one . I know that the earth warms cools periodically but there is a difference here, since 1840 the level of Carbon has gone up and other gases as well .now its possible that it may coinciding with one these warming period, but the difference here is that carbon release in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries may prove to a tipping point.

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