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Abrams: Star Trek Is Mind Blowing April 24, 2008

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Star Trek director JJ Abrams was interviewed on G4′s Attack of the Show yesterday to promote the new Cloverfield DVD release. Abrams talked about viral marketing, Cloverfield sequels, Lost and a bit about the beginnings of post-production for Star Trek. See the video interview below.

A couple of key quotes

On Star Trek:

Well we’re cutting now, we’re editing the film. And obviously its Star Trek so there are a gazillion visual effects. We’re very lucky to have ILM doing the visual effects, and they’re spectacular. And I’m just starting to see some of them now and it is mind blowing.

On Cloverfield sequel

There are a couple of ideas that Drew Goddard, the writer, and Matt Reaves [director] have that are pretty fantastic. So we are playing around with ideas. Obviously unless it is something that really excites us and inspires us we wont do it.

Cloverfield is out on DVD now:

Thanks to Arnaldo for the tip

Comments

1. Danpaine - April 24, 2008

I’ll only be impressed if the visuals are on par with ST V….

2. ActingSuperman - April 24, 2008

I’ll be the first. But I’m getting tired of everyone talking about stuff that none of us are going to see. I’m sure the director was saying how wonderful “Batman & Robin” was before the public saw any footage….

3. Duncan MacLeod - April 24, 2008

Can ILM screw something up? Has anyone ever seen bad work from them?

4. j w wright - April 24, 2008

sounds like they’re way ahead of schedule, why not release this as a summer blockbuster? this summer?

5. Dennis Bailey - April 24, 2008

#3:”Can ILM screw something up? Has anyone ever seen bad work from them?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzI-ZbcK_sw

6. Viking - April 24, 2008

#5 – C’mon, Dennis, everyone – and everything – has at least one ‘Ishtar’ moment in life…..LOL

7. trekee - April 24, 2008

@5 – Dennis…

I KNEW… I just KNEW what that was going to be before I hit the link!!

Though you have to admit, the basic premise wasn’t ehhh, the *best* they had to work with….

8. Mike - April 24, 2008

Woo-Hoo!! ILM back in Trek! George and Gene, together again.

9. OR Coast Trekkie - April 24, 2008

The effects for Star Trek are mind-blowing! I sooooo want to see this movie….

It’s interesting that part of the success around Cloverfield had to do with its secrecy. I wonder if keeping some amount of secrecy is part of the plan with Star trek… to keep us in suspense. I think the more suspense, the hungrier we will be to see the film. Even the skeptics will go to find out, if the information being released is kept to a minimum. After all, a lot of you went to the original release of TMP without a whole heck of a lot of information, right?

10. trekee - April 24, 2008

@8 – Mike….

I prefer to think that George hasn’t too much to do with the non-Star Wars projects where ILM are concerned. That way I won’t be going to the cinema next May with an fear of impending doom…

‘Meesa looooooves you….. you deedah savah my LIIIIIIIFFFEEEE’

‘Yes Spock, ‘thank you’ would have sufficed’

11. Jeff - April 24, 2008

Technically, the ILM effects in Howard The Duck were fine. They weren’t responsible for the script…

12. British Naval Dude - April 24, 2008

Inner Light Ministries? I thought they juzt be doin’ yoga and stuff like dat…

Could it be Illegitmate Landlubber Mongrels? Ya know… the little buggers we sometimes leave behind in a port and they have no one then ta’ teach them the ways of the sea… Sad, really.

13. Relentless - April 24, 2008

Well I’m tired of hearing about how wonderful the new Star Trek movie is. I want to see some trailers, more than just the one that is out now. They’ve been wetting our appetites with words, now its time for more visuals!!! PLEASE!!

14. Scott - April 24, 2008

Re: #5: C’mon, Dennis! The — what? two? — visual effects in that trailer were fine for the mid-80s!

The non-ILM content was duck poo, though.

Scott B. out.

15. The Quickening - April 24, 2008

3. Actually, yes. I think their work on the INDIANA JONES MOVIES was pretty sloppy.

16. bill hiro - April 24, 2008

“I’m sure the director was saying how wonderful “Batman & Robin” was before the public saw any footage….”

Thank you.

They want our money. What else are they going to say about this film? This is like the Fox News of Star Trek.

17. Sebastian - April 24, 2008

Well, it’s nice to hear the producers have brought ILM back into the fold; while the effects in Insurrection and Nemesis were not bad, they just didn’t have the extra ‘oomph’ ILM puts into theirs. ILM always seems to push boundaries in every film; or even refine old ones. Overall, the last two films’ effects were serviceable, but no ‘oohs’ and ‘aahs’ of ILM-level stuff. And let’s not bring up the so-called visual effects of Star Trek V (although the briefly-seen transporter effect in that film was not half bad; everything else…not so much).

18. DJT - April 24, 2008

Me want to see new trailer.

19. Battletrek - April 24, 2008

The new Star Trek is wonderful? Really?! I’m so there!

20. Teleportation Girl - April 24, 2008

good interview with jj. I think the best thing to take away from Cloverfield is the marketing of the movie. He was right in guessing that if they put a trailer out there that no one had heard about, that had a monster destroying a city, and then not have a title for it, would excite audiences. It didn’t even matter what the movie was at that point. The campaign was a success.

I still have confidence in Abrams. I think he is a talented guy with really creative ideas in this marketplace filled with same same same. I think we can probably expect something from Star Trek that we haven’t seen before. And if not, then the movie will probably make enough for another one, and hopefully will revive the franchise.

21. Mr. AtoZ - April 24, 2008

3&16
Everyone knew Batman&Robin sucked b4 it hit theaters, Clonney as Batman? That should have been a red flag right there.

22. CmdrR - April 24, 2008

21 –
“Ice of you to say so.”

SFX won’t make or break STXI. The story and use of the characters will. ILM could have a record number of shots in the final film. But, if they’re as dull as the entering-the-cloud sequence in TMP, the film will tank.

I just hope they get the E right, and nothing else too wrong.

23. hitch1969© - April 24, 2008

the spam filters again, eh boss?

24. Daoud - April 24, 2008

JJ, please stop bragging and share something substantial! :)

How about a “proto-trailer”? It’s something David Marcus Kirk would have done, for sure… Sure, it might be cheating, but it would be something new for a film that’s supposedly going to leave our feet sockless.

25. M33 - April 24, 2008

http://www.gabekoerner.com/ent/enterprise_v2_painting.jpg

perhaps a peek at the new enterprise? He did work with the design staff and this is dated 4-13-08

26. sir num nums - April 24, 2008

Howard The Duck FTW

It is good to finally here a little something new from the Director of the new Trek film.

I can not wait to see it.

27. SChaos1701 - April 24, 2008

Looks like JJ is going the Cloverfield route somewhat. I really wish that Paramount wouldn’t have pulled the crap they did. I think a lot of our impatience is because of the. We get all this information with a click of the mouse no wonder we’re antsy with the lack of it concerning STXI considering we keep getting teased like this on a daily basis. This would have been much better to handle 15 or so years ago before the net.

28. Devon - April 24, 2008

#4 –

It may still be well into August or Sept before everything is finalised

+

Sorta too late for that now!

29. Dark_Lord_Prime - April 24, 2008

@25:

I could go with that. :)

30. Dennis Bailey - April 24, 2008

#6: “#5 – C’mon, Dennis, everyone – and everything – has at least one ‘Ishtar’ moment in life…..LOL”

Sure, but come on – he asked the question, I gave the inevitable answer. :lol:

It’s like asking “when has a politician ever lied on television? ;)

31. John Melmoth - April 24, 2008

To much hype and build up. deeds JJ Abrams not words.

32. star trackie - April 24, 2008

I love me some “mind blowing’ effects…but remember…it ain’t about the pretty wrapping…

Having said that, I have every expectation, judging from JJ’s track record, that this will be a fun awesome looking action adventure….but it’s all about the chemistry of the actors and the story. A beautifully wrapped box with no TOS HD DVD’s inside is still nothing more but an empty beautifully wrapped box.

I remain, cautiously optimistic.

33. Trek Nerd Central - April 24, 2008

I love JJ. I want his bobble-head in my car.

34. David P - April 24, 2008

Mind blowing? hard to believe without SHAT

35. Anthony Thompson - April 24, 2008

3.
The Genesis Cave in TWOK. ’nuff said. Abrams should have hired the geniuses at CBS-D to do the FX!

36. AJ - April 24, 2008

Look, Enron was chipper and happy in front of its shareholders because they were hiding losses in other parts of the business (and using Star Wars names for the companies). Some here are worried that all the happy-talk will lead to disaster.

I vote for optimism.

37. Garovorkin - April 24, 2008

#34 Trek will survive without Shatner, I doubt his absence will hurt the movie in any way shape or form. Trek has to go on without him Its as simple as that,this is going to be a whole new era for trek and i am looking forward to it.

38. AJ - April 24, 2008

Garovorkin:

Amen to that

39. Daoud - April 24, 2008

Amen again. I don’t recall a character named Shatner in Star Trek, either!

#35. “Genesis? This isn’t Genesis. You thought this was Genesis? No, let me show you Genesis. Well, okay, maybe you wanted an apple. Would you like an apple? It seems we have some right over here.”

40. star trackie - April 24, 2008

#37 “#34 Trek will survive without Shatner, I doubt his absence will hurt the movie in any way shape or form. ”

You’re right, his absence won’t hurt it a bit. By the same token, his actually being in the film wouldn’t hurt it a bit.

41. I Am Morg Not Eymorg - April 24, 2008

Ya know, judging from the threads and posts that these little tid bits generate I have come to the conclusion that in many ways we are spoiled brats.

42. Mike T. - April 24, 2008

#4, I agree, why not release the movie (Star Trek, not Howard the Duck) in late July of THIS year? That should allow enough time to finish FX.

43. M33 - April 24, 2008

Reminder:

http://www.gabekoerner.com/ent/enterprise_v2_painting.jpg

Perhaps a peek at the New Enterprise? He did work with the design staff and this is dated 4-13-08!

44. AJ - April 24, 2008

They can show old Spock visiting that mound of rocks on Veridian III where Kirk is buried putting up a headstone: “James R. Kirk…” and it implies Shatner with no real appearance and calms down the canon freaks all at once. ;-)

45. Mike T. - April 24, 2008

They could also end the new movie with old Spock going there and discovers that Kirk’s body is gone! Fade to black and roll credits.

46. Mike T. - April 24, 2008

Sorry, forgot to add that old Spock could also find Kirk alive and living in and surviving off of supplies in the Enterprise-D saucer section. Picard thought he was dead and buried him alive!

47. Dr. Wh-at now?! - April 24, 2008

41 Perhaps you’re right. What is Mr. Scott’s condition?
Leonard McCoy: Well, I don’t think that he— [Spock nerve-pinches McCoy]
Spock: I’m sorry, Doctor. I have no time to discuss this logically. Remember. Our fans are brats.
[On the planetoid below...]
James T. Kirk: I changed the conditions of the test; got a commendation for original thinking. I don’t like to lose to brats.
Saavik: Then you’ve never faced that situation… faced death by brats.
James T. Kirk: I don’t believe in the no-win senario. [pulls out communicator] Kirk to Spock, it’s two hours are you ready?
Spock: [over communicator] Right on schedule, Admiral. Just give us your co-ordinates and we’ll beam you aboard.
James T. Kirk: [to Saavik] I don’t like to lose.

48. CmdrR - April 24, 2008

Had brats with extra onions and peppers last night. Sure felt like death by brats.

49. Fubamushu - April 24, 2008

Regarding those saying/hoping that Gabe Koerner’s work is what the U.S.S. Enterprise will look like:

Did anyone bother to read the disclaimer at the bottom of his artwork?

“star trek and all register trademarks are the sole property of paramount / viacom / cbs this work is for no intended purpose other than exhibition”

Does not sound like this is the new Enterprise to me. Just more of Gabe’s fantasies.

50. Dr. Wh-at now?! - April 24, 2008

44 If they break canon…

“Where’s that darn torpedo?” –Kirk,
“She’s ready Jim, lock and load.” –McCoy,
“Fire!” –Kirk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAGIAj4iWIU

51. EnterprisingGuy - April 24, 2008

M33…Thanks for that link. If that’s the most that JJ updates the Enterprise then I can live with it. Not a bad looking interpretation of the classic. They could have done a lot worse!

52. CmdrR - April 24, 2008

OK, in the last JJ thread, the pic made him look like “Producer Wore Tennis Shoes” / young Kurt Russell. This pic is giving off more of a Rick Moranis / “Trekbusters” vibe.
JJ! Dah-ling! Invest in some polo shirts and either contacts or glasses that flatter your face.
I only say these things so you’ll look your best when you produce my script: “Star Trek XII: Brats Entertainment.”

53. Mr. Poopey face(formerly known as Closettrekker) - April 24, 2008

#16– “This is like the Fox News of Star Trek.”

As opposed to what?

If the ratings of this site were anything like those of Fox News, Anthony would be a very wealthy man due to advertising alone. If that was a shot at trekmovie.com, it wasn’t a very good one.

Would you prefer that statements made by those involved in the film’s production were ignored completely by this site?

Read it or don’t, but take it for what it’s worth and move on. Just because the person who said it is involved in making the film does not make it untrue. Has anyone else seen the work? No. What else is there to go on?

54. Garovorkin - April 24, 2008

#40 Star trackie they would have to find some convenient plot devise to resurrect Kirk and to me just that would just an extra story element that quite frankly, Trek doesn’t need. Nimoy being the film should more then suffice. However, A J #44 has come up with an interesting solution to the Shatner dilemma . It’s better to leave things as they are so to speak and I know I am going to get flack on this so be it.

55. Spockanella - April 24, 2008

12: Snicker!

56. Dr. Wh-at now?! - April 24, 2008

16 No, this is the Fox News of Star Trek…

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation_News_Service

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj2zdbN-XrY

57. AJ - April 24, 2008

Garo: I’ve gotten no flack, so don’t worry!

58. Enc - April 24, 2008

#46
ive thought of the that. and its got a problem called Prime Directive.
the planet next door will one day develope space flight and visit this planet. findinf a curious pile of rocks with strange trinket on top would be one thing. But finding the Ent-D saucer sec is another matter. to prevent contamination the SCE would have to come in and reemove the saucer and yes even Kirks body. being weeks later and alreeady being told hes dead theyll just throw him in the freezer with out a second thought.
also kirk comeing back, maybe. but theree nothing to say that the crash sight was nearby for him to live off.
sorry but this entire spock comes to the rescue just dosent fly.
more reealisticly it would be kirk living robinson carousu castaway amoung the ruin of sorans launch site. and found by the creew come to reemove it. not spock. hes in romulan space. and not likely to ge ttheir to visit a grave before the reemoval team. no, spock would mostly first hear of kirk in the 24th cent after hes been found alive.

59. Negotiator - April 24, 2008

This is the freaking 21st century. One word, INTERNET. JJ will not be able to keep everything Star Trek secret until opening night. Sooner or latter there will be leaks. Better step up to the plate and release something, anything to keep people at bay. Specially now that we are all expected to wait an extra 6 months to see it.

60. DIGINON - April 24, 2008

@ 43 M33: Gabe Koerner has stated repeatedly that he is NOT involved in the new Star Trek movie in any way.
Yes, he works in visual FX. And yes, he even worked on Star Trek Enterprise (for example, he did the Enterprise D shots in TATV).
But as far as I know, he’s currently employed at Digital Domain, not ILM.
The Enterprise you see in this picture (and other pics and videos on his site) is his own creation which he did just for fun. It is nothing official.

61. M33 - April 24, 2008

Thanks for the update, Diginon. However, if that design is even remotely close, its a good style.

62. John Melmoth - April 24, 2008

#59 So far they seem to have done a splendid job of keeping the major details tightly under lock and key. I agree, that sooner or later the secrecy dam is going burst. I would not want to be in the shoes whomever the leaker or leaker’s turn out to be. Paramount would not be amused.

63. Chris Peterson - April 24, 2008

OMG, this is hours old, which in Internet time is like 25 years! Do I still have a chance to publish the exclusive that they’re now remaking Howard the Duck?

64. S. John Ross - April 24, 2008

#24: To be fair, J.J. wasn’t really bragging … but in trekmovie.com tradition, the post’s title “Star Trek Is Mind Blowing” seems designed to be provocative. If you read the actual quote, he’s praising ILM’s FX work, not bragging about any of his own.

65. Kevin - April 24, 2008

Yeah, I’m in the same camp that wants to see something. I’m tired of all the talk. Show some pictures. That’s all I ask for… and not pictures of the snack cart or something else pointless.

Showing a picture of the crew on the bridge is not a spoiler and has nothing to do with the plot.

All this talk about how great it will be does absolutely nothing for me.

I remember Rick Berman saying before Nemesis that they had the best villain since Khan. Yeah right!

I remember Arnold talking up Terminator 3. I’m glad I didn’t pay to see that crapfest.

I’m becoming a bit disenchanted myself.

Talk is cheap and a picture is worth a thousand words.

66. That One Guy - April 24, 2008

Thank you JJ for taunting us even more…

It’s Super Smash Brawl all over again!

ILM has done some fantastic work in the past with other movies, I hope that they go all-out for Trek. It deserves it.

67. Mike T. - April 24, 2008

#58: Works for me. Kirks death wouldn’t bother most people if he would have gone out in a blaze of glory saving the Federation. His death in “Generations” is the equivalent of dying after slipping on a banana peel and hitting your head. Senseless.

68. Anthony Pascale - April 24, 2008

M33 please stop spamming the site with that link. It is just Gabe’s personal design

69. Captain Dunsel - April 24, 2008

I will echo the sentiment about there being some weak effects in the Indiana Jones series. Most were incredible. However think about the plane crash near the beginning of Temple of Doom after they jump out in the raft. That was lousy–even for the day.

Sorry to say this is more of the same–JJ telling us how great it is. I think it will be great. It had better be after all this build-up. If this movie fails to deliver on all these promises then there may be no more tomorrows.

70. Plum - April 24, 2008

#68… is it just me or is the new Star Trek movie the best advertising Gabe. ever had? Go Gabe!!! ROTFL! :D

71. Spock with a Crowbar - April 24, 2008

Gabe is very talented modeler, but that cut and paste job onto the space background in the pic is terrible. Gotta learn to use a clipping path, Gabe :)

Also, even with the white paint job, thay design still makes the E look like a suit of armor for some reason… like how the mirror enterprise would have looked if they had the budget to make a warship version. Ther’s just nothing ‘peaceful-looking’ about it.

72. Sebastian - April 24, 2008

#32. Very good point; it ain’t about the “pretty wrapping.” The visual effects should be the icing, not the cake. And yes, some ILM effects are NOT always perfect; The Genesis cave in “Wrath of Khan” for one, looked rather crap. But the story was working so well at that point, who cared? And the awesome Mutara Nebula battle afterward (which loses a LOT on video and needs the scale of a movie theater-size screen; 70mm, no less) more than made up for it. But we tend to forget as we pick apart minutiae and trivia, that a good Trek movie (or ANY movie) should always be about the story and characters first; if JJ Abrams and co. accomplished that, that I am one happy Trekker! Of course, I like everyone else here, am super eager to see the big ‘E’ fly again (and how it looks!). I imagine we’ll see her and the uniforms at Comic con this year; after which it’ll be all over the internet. 3 months….and counting.

73. M33 - April 24, 2008

Thanks for the tip Anthony.

74. John Melmoth - April 24, 2008

JJ seems to be taking a Cloverfied approach to trek. Which means he’s going to be holding it back as long as possible and then at some point unannounced he’s going spring the clips and previews on us of trek on us. which in turn means we will likely be seeing some film probably late October early November of 08 I could wrong on be on this but its . The way he did Clovefield he said, made the film seem to come out of nowhere. i know unlike Cloverfied trek is much anticipated, but he trying to keep it out of sight but not out of mind for as long as he possibly can. To try to build up Anticipation perhaps?

75. The Last Maquis - April 24, 2008

No, No 43 and 51 that’s That kid Gabe Koerner’s Ship, I mean It looks okay, I’m just tired of seeing the Damn Thing. I’m hoping that The New Movie Version is a little more Dynamic.

76. 790 - April 24, 2008

Its halarious, all it takes is one post to start the Shatner wave of “what ifs”.
I’m sure some you will be arguing this point til the end of time. Lol

Cloverfield IS better on dvd than in the theater.

And I can’t believe there NOT going to have a Star Trek trailer with Indy 4.
What a missed opp.

77. braxus - April 24, 2008

For visual effects- I’d love to see the use of models again over CGI. I always thought models looked better on screen then any computer generated ship.

78. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - April 24, 2008

I will only see the new movie if the visual effects are done with shadow puppetry. CGI is for kids and teenagers with no imagination.

Note: there may be a touch of sarcasm in this post….

79. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - April 24, 2008

Ahem… now then, what I really want to say is:

“Mind blowing” is definitely what I want to be hearing about the upcoming movie, and I know that Abrams and Bad Robot generally can deliver on that front. I’ll be happy is the touchy-feely, “we’re such good chums” banter between Kirk, Bones, and Spock is kept to a minimum.

80. S. John Ross - April 24, 2008

#74 sez: “JJ seems to be taking a Cloverfied approach to trek [...]”

When I first read this, I got a clear image in my mind of the Enterprise only being shown briefly, from ground-level shots to emphasize its immensity, and in the entire movie we pretty much never see the whole exterior at the same time; we have to mentally piece it together from fragments :)

81. warptrek - April 24, 2008

I’m so sick of fans dumping on TMP. IMO, TMP is the finest of ALL the Star Trek films. It is Trek at it’s core… about exploration, adventure and the unkown not about shoot em ups, space battles and villain of the week/movie.
Sure, it’s cerebral. It could’ve used some rewrites especially during the scenes with little to no dialogue, Kirk and Spock are somewhat out of character in parts of the film but watching these old friends and shipmates getting reacqainted with each other and their ship (now refitted) was fun. The uniforms looked a bit like pajama’s but did manage to convey a Starfleet character. Linking warp geometry to a wormhole effect caused by an engine imbalance was brilliant which for some stupid reason was never mentioned in Trekdom ever again.
The visuals in TMP were absolutely stunning. What other movie has captured the Enterprise in such perfect detail? No other movie portrays the ship in all it’s awesome scale. The hull walk scene also shows us for the first time the true scale of the Enterprise. And who could deny the fly-by inspection given by Scott to Kirk in the travel pod was almost an emotional experience as Kirk looks with pride and awe at his old command, Scotty squeezing his skippers arm in reassurance that the Enterprise has the right man at her conn?
I await this new movie in hope that at least the essence of some of these themes could be explored when Kirk sees his new command for the first time.

82. S. John Ross - April 24, 2008

“Sure, it’s cerebral.”

Not so sure it’s cerebral, myself. I think a lot of people just say it’s cerebral as a way to be polite about it. :)

That said, I’m very fond of TMP, too. The Enterprise was gorgeous, it was great to see McCoy griping about transporters and what the engineers may have done to sickbay, the music was awesome, and …

and …

Those are the three reasons I’ll always love TMP. And they’re enough for me. Viva TMP!

83. DJT - April 24, 2008

Dude.

I cannot wait for this movie.

I wonder if once the suits see what a baddass movie this is going to be, if they will green light a sequel before it ever hits the screens.

And if so, maybe we’ll see Carol Marcus and The Shat.

84. Iowagirl - April 25, 2008

#81
- And who could deny the fly-by inspection given by Scott to Kirk in the travel pod was almost an emotional experience as Kirk looks with pride and awe at his old command, Scotty squeezing his skippers arm in reassurance that the Enterprise has the right man at her conn? -

Exactly. Takes my breath away each time I watch it. Goldsmith’s score accompanying that scene is particularly beautiful. Not to mention the “..is there nothing more“ moment. No paling there, either. And I never considered the scene when the E enters that immense cloud too long. After all, the film had to show its size, its dimension and its energy – and you’re right, the visuals were and still are stunning.

Thataway!

85. Enc - April 25, 2008

damn backspace buttons, noigottaretypthisthing.
#75
any one want to put gabes ship in a fan production

#76
the SCE sends his body back to iowa for burial with only guinan, picard and scotty (cause im suree bones is dead by now) and spock is still on romulas and wont even hear about it till kirks in the ground. i dont think decker and ilia will show up. no wait they could have some reeason to resurect him. oops. did i just come up with another way to BBK :)

#79
I too like to hear ‘mind blowing’. but not from those involved. it just comes off as a sales pitch. ill just wait till it comes out.

86. Battletrek - April 25, 2008

The only thing mind blowing will be seeing some average actor types try and play Spock and Kirk and build any kind of fan loyalty that Shatner and Nimoy commanded right out of the gate.

87. star trackie - April 25, 2008

#54 “#40 Star trackie they would have to find some convenient plot devise to resurrect Kirk and to me just that would just an extra story element that quite frankly, Trek doesn’t need. ”

You’ll get no flack from me, you’re certainly entitle to your opinion. We just differ in that you and many others require some type of detailed explanation for Kirk’s presense while I would simply accept that he is there. I don’t get hung up on continuity like so many, so his “death” and his supposed ressurection would be a non-issue with me. Besides, in an alternate timeline you can do anything -no explanations required.

88. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - April 25, 2008

#85 – I see your point, but upon hearing Abrams, it just sounds like he’s genuinely excited about his own movie, not just blowing hot air.

#81 – You’re so right. I love TMP. In my opinion, it is the only Star Trek movie with a “pure” Sci-Fi plot, and not a space war/space opera story. (I guess STV attempted a “pure” Sci-Fi plot, but failed).

89. star trackie - April 25, 2008

#79 ” I’ll be happy is the touchy-feely, “we’re such good chums” banter between Kirk, Bones, and Spock is kept to a minimum.”

Well, having witnessed JJ’s previous work from Alias and Lost to MI-3, and the strong character work in those projects, I think you’re going to be very disappointed.

90. SChaos1701 - April 25, 2008

I think we all need to realize that the William Shatner Kirk is dead and we have to move on.

And TMP was a tremendously wonderful film.

91. star trackie - April 25, 2008

90 “I think we all need to realize that the William Shatner Kirk is dead and we have to move on.”

…sorry, I think when dealing with a fictional character in a science fiction movie, set in a alternate timeline…especially one featuring Leonard Nimoy as Spock…Kirk’s death is a non-issue. Sure, money may keep him out, or Shat’s reluctance to do a cameo may be a roadblock.. There are several reasons Shatner’s Kirk may not be in this movie….but creatively, his death in Generations isn’t one of them.

92. Cobra Commander - April 25, 2008

I in NO way think SHAT’s gotta be in this film. But, I did think the idea of a final scene where Old Spock visits Kirk’s “rocky grave” and finds him gone was great. Someone then brought up the Prime Directive issue. (Kirk’s body, the crash site, the launch platform having to be removed to avoid contamination) This is a classic situation that exemplifies how difficult it can be to write for Star Trek. With it’s long history, it’s easy to make mistakes and hard to write original material. I can see why people could feel “boxed-in” by canon.
One doesn’t want any story content to feel “forced.” But the story still needs to fit within an established universe. If JJ and the writers get all these pieces to fit, I think the movie will please the current fans and create legions of new ones!
(I still like #45 Mike T.’s idea though . . .)
Love this site and these people! So creative this bunch . . .

93. Buck Stucker - April 25, 2008

M33: The Gabe Koerner starship design you are referring to has NOTHING, reapeat, NOTHING to do with “Star Trek XI”!
Koerner has tried to set the record straight on YouTube. I wish he’d put a disclaimer on all the YouTube videos using his design. They are misleading people to believe that this is the Enterprise.

94. AJ - April 25, 2008

Cobra:

If they’re pre-spaceflight next store, Starfleet simply removes everything from the planet, and expects that Kirk will decompose in the next few hundred years. When they achieve warp capability, the Feds are there to notice, and completely delude them.

The Prime Directive is all about weaponry. Go watch the old shows and avoid “pre-animate matter caught in the matrix.” Carol Marcus was a private contractor, and Chekhov was ready to go for it.

The PD was created to prevent one warring faction from gaining an advantage over an opponent on a given planet via the use of Fed technology.

TNG essentially abandoned the “advanced” concept of it once it introduced its “duck blind” concept. Spock attempted to subvert the Romulan government, and in “Insurrection,” the Feds actively participated in the relocation of the Bak’u.

Veridian III is a no-brainer

95. SChaos1701 - April 25, 2008

#91

Saying Kirk’s death is irrelevant is just plain silly. While we’re at it let’s go ahead and bring back Tasha Yar, Trip Tucker, and then go to the Star Wars universe bring back Ben Kenobi. Shatner’s Kirk is dead…D-E-A-D. The actor who plays him now is Chris Pine.

96. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - April 25, 2008

Oh no, it’s turned into ONE OF THOSE discussions.

97. Iowagirl - April 25, 2008

#45
I’d add some miniscule details, but I agree in principle. ;)

#91
Amen, Amen, and Amen. :)

98. Enc - April 25, 2008

#94
this is a planet next door like earth mars. they could like us send landers, rovers, telescopes and see down to the cm and see kirks pin. if youre gonna remove the other stuff you might as well take the pin and the body.

#92 45
good yes but cliche.
and that PD does kinda get in the way dont it. the clean up creew would arive b4 any of kirks friends and it would be the clean up creew looking down on an empty grave. kinda hard to write that scenes emotion with strangers. the fade to black would still make its point but not with the same impact.
here. it might be more of an impact with the clean up crew if this was a tv show ep and not a film. and make this shot the season ender.

#96
you gotta new topic ? :)

99. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - April 26, 2008

Gotta wonder how “Abrams: Star Trek Is Mind Blowing” turns into another BBK discussion…..

100. Simon - April 26, 2008

Regarding the Genesis cave:
ILM themselves cringe when they talk about it. It was something literally added last minute and they didn’t have time to properly develop the shots. They made up for it with the Genesis planet matte paintings in “ST:III”

“Howard The Duck”‘s VFX were the best thing about that film.

I didn’t particularly care for ILM’s work in “The Golden Child”.

When they’re firing on all cylinders ILM is the best of the best. 1996 was the best year ever for ILM:

Mission Impossible
Twister
Dragonheart
Mars Attacks!
Star Trek: First Contact

But in ’96 they did have one bad one. They did the CGI alligators in “Erasor” and they look pretty poor. Again, a last second addition when the main companies on that film couldn’t do those shots.

101. Jovan Gauthier - April 26, 2008

Indeed. Nicholas Meyer said that they didn’t give him enough time/money to do it properly, and in “typical studio fashion” complained when it didn’t look right. XD

102. Enc - April 26, 2008

#99
LOL no. let me change that. as a greeat person once said.

LMKAO

103. Kuvagh - April 26, 2008

While we’re talking FX: I hope that whatever ships we see besides Enterprise have adequate detailing and models which are suitable for lingering closeups. First Contact was really bad about that. Yes, I care about ships … not as much as the more important things, but I do care about them. :)

Looking as realistic as the ships from 70′s and 80′s productions might be nice, too. :)

104. Simon - April 26, 2008

#103: ILM was initially given the go ahead to design 15 ships. Paramount kept whittling down the FX budget so they ended up with 5. Of those, they could only fully detail 3: The Enterprise-E, the Defiant, and the Thunderchild (AKIRA-class). They had a beautiful rendering of another ship that was supposed to be destroyed (Admiral Hansen’s ship) but the budget was cut for those shots.

John Knoll, who won the Oscar for Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest, was the VFX supervisor for First Contact. He’s a huge TREK fan, was supervisor for the SW prequel trilogy, and with his brother Thomas invented Photoshop (yes, THAT Photoshop).

105. Simon - April 26, 2008

PS: The other ships designed for ST:FC were the Saber-class, the Norway-class, and the Steamrunner-class. These were only medium detailed and only meant to be seen from a distance.

106. Roger - April 28, 2008

To AJ and Cobra: Were you even paying attention to the movie? Veridian III was uninhabited and Veridian IV was the planet with the pre-industrial humanoid society.

The only people that get “boxed in” are those that don’t take the time to pay attention.

The Prime Directive is NON-INTEREFENCE.

Were you even watching or just going by what other people say?

Yes, I do pay attention and sadly, I wasted time on these posts. My mistake.

107. Salena Mcfadin - May 10, 2011

All right, it really is a good start however i’ll have to take a look at that a little bit more. Will let you know exactly what else there is.

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