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	<title>Comments on: Passover – Shatner reads the Haggadah  + &#8216;4 Questions&#8217; in Klingon</title>
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		<title>By: Turgenev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turgenev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or am I not alone in now thinking- nay, even dreaming- that when I die one day long down the road, and I start my journey up into the heavenly choir -- way, way up in the clouds... is Shatner going to be God? - his large omnipresent face peering through the sky, much like Apollo had done to him so log ago? He seems to be smirking at me, as if he knows something more... and then he speaks to me...

&quot;What&#039;s that, sir?&quot; I humbly say before his big giant head in the sky,  &quot;Uhhhh... may I ask, what does God want with a starship?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or am I not alone in now thinking- nay, even dreaming- that when I die one day long down the road, and I start my journey up into the heavenly choir &#8212; way, way up in the clouds&#8230; is Shatner going to be God? &#8211; his large omnipresent face peering through the sky, much like Apollo had done to him so log ago? He seems to be smirking at me, as if he knows something more&#8230; and then he speaks to me&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s that, sir?&#8221; I humbly say before his big giant head in the sky,  &#8220;Uhhhh&#8230; may I ask, what does God want with a starship?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shmuel (subatoi) Loutaty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shmuel (subatoi) Loutaty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sample of the book, for who ever wants to see it, is here:
http://www.starbase972.com/contents/shmulik/kling4q2.jpg

Courtesy of Murray Spiegel, one of the authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sample of the book, for who ever wants to see it, is here:<br />
<a href="http://www.starbase972.com/contents/shmulik/kling4q2.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.starbase972.com/contents/shmulik/kling4q2.jpg</a></p>
<p>Courtesy of Murray Spiegel, one of the authors.</p>
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		<title>By: TrekNerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrekNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shatner doing the CD and the movie is not really a surprise, but the fact that he continues to hold Seders is.

Because if he does, it must simply be an observance of cultural heritage for him rather than a belief system, because over the years Shatner has made no secret of the fact that he&#039;s an agnostic -- he does not know or believe for a fact that God exists and whether or not there is an afterlife.

Star Trek V and his novel Believe both reflect this personal quest/quandary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shatner doing the CD and the movie is not really a surprise, but the fact that he continues to hold Seders is.</p>
<p>Because if he does, it must simply be an observance of cultural heritage for him rather than a belief system, because over the years Shatner has made no secret of the fact that he&#8217;s an agnostic &#8212; he does not know or believe for a fact that God exists and whether or not there is an afterlife.</p>
<p>Star Trek V and his novel Believe both reflect this personal quest/quandary.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Ballz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Ballz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Mary Jane has been smoking too much of her own nickname for the drug!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Mary Jane has been smoking too much of her own nickname for the drug!</p>
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		<title>By: The Vulcanista</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Vulcanista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>40, 41

While your points are well-taken, Posts 14, 21, 29 are just the rantings of yet another snarky pseudointellectual snob that are best ignored.

Peace.  Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista  }:-&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>40, 41</p>
<p>While your points are well-taken, Posts 14, 21, 29 are just the rantings of yet another snarky pseudointellectual snob that are best ignored.</p>
<p>Peace.  Live long and prosper.<br />
The Vulcanista  }:-|</p>
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		<title>By: G-D FORGIVE THESE PEOPLE...LOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-D FORGIVE THESE PEOPLE...LOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>responding to 21..you have proven your rabid anti-Semitism by calling The Shat&#039;s celebration of Passover as &#039;cultic&#039; implying all of Judaism and by extension Christianity is a cult that id dangerous and needs to be eliminated which I find even more offensive than the eery lack of Earth religions being shown in most of Star Trek as a whole, as if they never existed,and where they are shown or mentioned theyre done so with great disdain clearly trying to blaspheme religion much as 21 is trying to do which i pray JJ does not continue doing in the new film...as for the live long and prosper sign being a Passover tradition that Nimoy imported to Trek yes it is, although sadly its also a sign present on The Devil card in tarot decks and like the peace sign is actually in its original context a satanic sign that ancient Hebrew mystics imported along with countless other &#039;traditions&#039; which became the Kabballah and similar offshoot practices expressly forbidden in The Bible and actually such kinds of practices were exactly what Jesus was rebelling against...another irony is that Kirk&#039;s middle name is Tiberius, namesake of a cruel, vicious Roman emperor/caesar/praetor who was rabidly a rabid anti-Semite/anti-Christian, almost Nero-like (xdxdxd) in his ruthless application of said cruelty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>responding to 21..you have proven your rabid anti-Semitism by calling The Shat&#8217;s celebration of Passover as &#8216;cultic&#8217; implying all of Judaism and by extension Christianity is a cult that id dangerous and needs to be eliminated which I find even more offensive than the eery lack of Earth religions being shown in most of Star Trek as a whole, as if they never existed,and where they are shown or mentioned theyre done so with great disdain clearly trying to blaspheme religion much as 21 is trying to do which i pray JJ does not continue doing in the new film&#8230;as for the live long and prosper sign being a Passover tradition that Nimoy imported to Trek yes it is, although sadly its also a sign present on The Devil card in tarot decks and like the peace sign is actually in its original context a satanic sign that ancient Hebrew mystics imported along with countless other &#8216;traditions&#8217; which became the Kabballah and similar offshoot practices expressly forbidden in The Bible and actually such kinds of practices were exactly what Jesus was rebelling against&#8230;another irony is that Kirk&#8217;s middle name is Tiberius, namesake of a cruel, vicious Roman emperor/caesar/praetor who was rabidly a rabid anti-Semite/anti-Christian, almost Nero-like (xdxdxd) in his ruthless application of said cruelty&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Trek Fan irritated with Political Correctness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trek Fan irritated with Political Correctness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;#14 Get lost.&quot;

&quot;I’m not saying that the poster #14/19 is mean-spirited.&quot;

So, Mary Jane, you are telling everyone else it doesn&#039;t matter what you say, only how you say it.  This, in a nutshell, is Political Correctness.  It doesn&#039;t matter that Poster 14 may not have been a mean-spirited racist.  It only matters that Poster 14 didn&#039;t attend Linguistic Semiotics 101 in a university classroom or in the context of a (very late) night course taught by blogosphere snarks.

I imagine Star Trek writers didn&#039;t translate &quot;p&#039;taq&quot; because it is a unique word from the Klingon language, the defining nuances of which would be lost in translation to English, indicating the lowliness of the person to whom it is directed.  Much like Poster 14 didn&#039;t translate &quot;shmegegge&quot; because it is a unique word from the Yiddish language, the defining nuances of which would be lost in translation to English, indicating the person to whom it is directed is &quot;an unadmirable, ***petty*** person&quot; (1st definition listed under the entry &quot;shmegegge&quot; in Leo Rosten&#039;s _The_Joys_of_Yiddish_, added asterisks mine).

BTW, what&#039;s the reference to William Shatner&#039;s Jewish practices being &quot;cultic&quot;?  All the sudden Moses isn&#039;t leading the Jews from Egyptian slavery; rather, he&#039;s leading them in drinking the special Kool-Aid mix in South America?  How charitably modern of you.  You know, you could have said &quot;religious&quot; and dispensed with the condescension.

Also, what&#039;s with the periods after every disgust-laden word?

&quot;I know the vocabulary. I hear it regularly. In many disguises. Contrastive. Derisive. Exclusive.&quot;

Are you trying to *appropriate* Captain Kirk&#039;s way of speaking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;#14 Get lost.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m not saying that the poster #14/19 is mean-spirited.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, Mary Jane, you are telling everyone else it doesn&#8217;t matter what you say, only how you say it.  This, in a nutshell, is Political Correctness.  It doesn&#8217;t matter that Poster 14 may not have been a mean-spirited racist.  It only matters that Poster 14 didn&#8217;t attend Linguistic Semiotics 101 in a university classroom or in the context of a (very late) night course taught by blogosphere snarks.</p>
<p>I imagine Star Trek writers didn&#8217;t translate &#8220;p&#8217;taq&#8221; because it is a unique word from the Klingon language, the defining nuances of which would be lost in translation to English, indicating the lowliness of the person to whom it is directed.  Much like Poster 14 didn&#8217;t translate &#8220;shmegegge&#8221; because it is a unique word from the Yiddish language, the defining nuances of which would be lost in translation to English, indicating the person to whom it is directed is &#8220;an unadmirable, ***petty*** person&#8221; (1st definition listed under the entry &#8220;shmegegge&#8221; in Leo Rosten&#8217;s _The_Joys_of_Yiddish_, added asterisks mine).</p>
<p>BTW, what&#8217;s the reference to William Shatner&#8217;s Jewish practices being &#8220;cultic&#8221;?  All the sudden Moses isn&#8217;t leading the Jews from Egyptian slavery; rather, he&#8217;s leading them in drinking the special Kool-Aid mix in South America?  How charitably modern of you.  You know, you could have said &#8220;religious&#8221; and dispensed with the condescension.</p>
<p>Also, what&#8217;s with the periods after every disgust-laden word?</p>
<p>&#8220;I know the vocabulary. I hear it regularly. In many disguises. Contrastive. Derisive. Exclusive.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you trying to *appropriate* Captain Kirk&#8217;s way of speaking?</p>
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		<title>By: Shmuel (subatoi) Loutaty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shmuel (subatoi) Loutaty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS - I will try to contact them.  If I knew about their site, I&#039;d add it to the article too. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211; I will try to contact them.  If I knew about their site, I&#8217;d add it to the article too. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Shmuel (subatoi) Loutaty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shmuel (subatoi) Loutaty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was my idea, not Anthony&#039;s, and no harm was intended :)

I guess you&#039;re right, a scan is wrong. But a quote is fine, as far as I know, if not for the whole 4, maybe for one. Or something like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was my idea, not Anthony&#8217;s, and no harm was intended :)</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;re right, a scan is wrong. But a quote is fine, as far as I know, if not for the whole 4, maybe for one. Or something like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: yo</title>
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		<dc:creator>yo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^
 &quot;An article about the &#039;300 Ways&#039; book ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^<br />
 &#8220;An article about the &#8216;300 Ways&#8217; book &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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