Comments on: JJ Abrams: Star Trek Never Given This Kind Of Treatment

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By: Jim Nightshade

Jim Nightshade — Thu, 08 May 2008 05:03:58 +0000

“CAn’t we all just get along?(lil doggie)” It grieves ME heart to see how divided Star Trek Fans are. Some of the strongest opinions reflected here show LITTLE of Star Treks real humanity, and family of characters that started with TOS and expanded with TNG and every series after. No series was perfect, but all WERE and ARE Trek whether or not you personally loved it. All were the Human Adventure Beginning…ALL respected IDIC Enjoying our differences and celebrating them. There is room in this Trek Universe for all of us to enjoy what we like and what others like too. Every single series from TOS to Enterprise had individual stories and moments that left me awestruck and just as good as the best of any and all the series before it. JJ will bring HIS stamp to our TOS Trek Universe and more power to him. If he can make it grander, bolder, more entertaining and exciting let him. I dont care if the Enterprise’s measurements are 3/4 of an inch off….in fact I look forward to their designers visions….I hear it is a near perfect blending of classic looking trek with newer up to date tek. It CANT look like the old series. Its a NEW Movie….iT IS STARTING OVER! If you dont like the idea, I have a feeling everyone including fans new and old are going to be blown away by this restart, so give it a chance. Likewise fans of NG give it a chance…They are all related…IDIC….IDIC!!! (that almost looks like IDIOT! HEHEH)
Oh yeah and all those going to the vegas convention..I am jealous…I went 2 years ago, can’t afford to do it again….I will be there in spirit so Denise put on a sexy star trek uniform for me, take a pix and let us see! AHAHAH
Damn, I am so bummed out about THE EXPERIENCE in VEGAS probably closing;. SIGH….

By: sean

sean — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:08:50 +0000

#215

I think you’re missing my point. I’m aware TUC was the swansong, but it wouldn’t have been had TFF not stumbled in such an extraordinarily bad way. Far fewer people turned out for TUC than should have. The fact is, TFF left such a sour taste for Trek that the general public (the folks that actually make a Trek movie sink or swim, not us fans as we’re so fond of thinking) wrote the film franchise off. TNG didn’t help the film part of the franchise either (aside from First Contact), but it also bore little resemblence to its TV incarnation – probably a big reason why it didn’t connect with audiences.

The only point I was making was that Trek was at the height of its popularity with TNG, whether TOS fans liked it or not. The show gained considerable mainstream popularity, and had a higher public profile than it ever did before or since. It just happened to coincide with TOS’ biggest fumble – TFF.

By: Mr. Poopey face(formerly known as Closettrekker)

Mr. Poopey face(formerly known as Closettrekker) — Wed, 07 May 2008 17:46:01 +0000

#214—Although I am no particular fan of TNG (I am a huge TOS-era fan, however), I have to agree with Sean. While it is true that the original crew’s farewell was entirely by design, it had gotten stale. The original film series, IMO, peaked from 1982-1986. In retrospect, I would rather have seen Kirk and co. disappear into warp at the end of TVY and that have been the end of it. TFF was an abomination of a ST feature film. While TUC did its best to recover, the damage was done. Our heroes had become self-caricatures on screen.

I couldn’t stand TNG in the 80’s, and although my stance has cooled since, I still do not watch it in reruns (with the exception of “Yesterday’s Enterprise”, which I find to be an exceptionally well-written story).

I would have preferred to have the original characters recast in the 90’s, or the storyline advanced on television as it should have been, with original characters moving on and new ones added each additional season as needed. Guest appearances by original cast members from time to time would have been great.

Instead, I got holodecks, ship’s counselors, Klingons in Starfleet, artificial beings and children on the bridge, a bland captain, and “away teams”…Yuk.

By: Mr. Bob Dobalina

Mr. Bob Dobalina — Tue, 06 May 2008 15:35:20 +0000

#214 “.Even though I love TUC, the TOS crew never regained their footing with the general public after that. ”

uh…there was nothing to regain. That was their farewell. Their 25 year long reign ended in 1991 by design. Ending after a 25 year run on a high note and by design is a lot different from ending because no one is interested any more. TNG was popular, I agree, but it just hasn’t been able to withstand the test of time.

By: sean

sean — Mon, 05 May 2008 05:23:14 +0000

One thing I find fascinating (pardon the pun) in these discussions of TOS vs TNG, etc., is that people conveniently omit the fact that Trek was at the absolute top of its popularity during TNG’s run. Over 10 million people were tuning into the final year of TNG (and even the first few years of DS9). Star Trek was EVERYWHERE. Generations was being featured on the cover of Time magazine. TV Guide printed a special edition about it. Entertainment Weekly dedicated an entire issue to it. Wayne Campbell told us sparkling white wine was like TNG – “Ah yes, it’s a lot like “Star Trek: The Next Generation”. In many ways it’s superior but will never be as recognized as the original.” Star Trek became omnipresent thanks to TNG. Modern Trek didn’t truly enter into decline until after First Contact and the blandness that was Insurrection and seasons 1-3 of Voyager.

TOS lost its primary slot when they derailed with TFF. It was just their bad luck that it happened to coincide with Season 3 of TNG, which completely wiped the floor with that movie. Even though I love TUC, the TOS crew never regained their footing with the general public after that. Whether you liked TNG or not, they earned their stripes.

The thing with Trek is that it moves in peaks and valleys. The last 8 years or so have just been an incredibly big valley. But I suspect we’re on the cusp of a considerable peak right now.

By: Battletrek

Battletrek — Mon, 05 May 2008 02:23:20 +0000

It’s all about the writing which is why TNG got dull as it went on. Those characters are still viable but the way they were written has soured the taste in peoples mouths.
They could sill be done excitingly it just depends who’s writing.

By: That One Guy

That One Guy — Mon, 05 May 2008 02:06:43 +0000

Denise,

I could DEFINATELY go for some celeb-stalking. Following Quinto is always fun.

By: Xai

Xai — Mon, 05 May 2008 01:38:46 +0000

Moogie, you are the viewer, the observer and uneffected if there are changes. You and your DVD’s remain intact.

“And yes, I believe deeply the movie should have strictly honored ALL that became before it. It’s doesn’t matter now, it’s all moot.”

And you haven’t seen it yet…. no way of knowing your fears or cheers yet, bud.

By: non-belligerency confirmed

non-belligerency confirmed — Mon, 05 May 2008 00:19:59 +0000

#209
“If, as the spoilers indicate, the timeline will be forever changed in STXI, then upon it’s release the TOS voyages beginning with The Cage through TUC will cease to exist which makes watching the DVDs pointless since none of it ever happened.”

wow. i am tiptoeing towards the door now.
that is about the most freaky thing i’ve ever read here.
it is, however, very funny to think of you writhing in outrage at the very thought of “a timeline change” in a science fiction film.
good luck with that.