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	<title>Comments on: Wheaton Blog:  On Abrams &#8216;Reinventing&#8217; Trek</title>
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		<title>By: Raphael Lichtenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raphael Lichtenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2011 19:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: April bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>April bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: private loan consolidation</title>
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		<dc:creator>private loan consolidation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Will H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im just glad that someone&#039;s finally stepping up and saying &quot;hey, its possible that JJ could fuck this up and this movie could blow&quot;  Wil made a good point about bringing up the whole episode 1 thing, this could be the same thing, or it could be the next BSG, who knows.  If this does work I hope JJ doesnt stick with the TOS crew forever cause come on, even in the Star Trek universe time tends to move forwards, not backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im just glad that someone&#8217;s finally stepping up and saying &#8220;hey, its possible that JJ could fuck this up and this movie could blow&#8221;  Wil made a good point about bringing up the whole episode 1 thing, this could be the same thing, or it could be the next BSG, who knows.  If this does work I hope JJ doesnt stick with the TOS crew forever cause come on, even in the Star Trek universe time tends to move forwards, not backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: BV</title>
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		<dc:creator>BV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently I re-watched all the Trek movies.  This time as a 30 something not a kid or t-ween.  Sadly my childhood memories somewhat embellished these movies as better than they really were. 

STMP I disliked as a child, but watching as an adult I see how ambitious it was.  The production values and attention to detail are a degree above all  trek films since. The story is if anything a bit too advanced, showing a future where brains trump phasers. This is the one film I rate higher as an adult than I did as a kid.

TWOK was my childhood favorite,but as an adult it feels like a cheap unpolished production. The editing was horrible, and the actors didn&#039;t seem challenged.  Its like the director only took one take of every scene and shot the whole thing in a week.  While the overall story is epic, the dialog  was more cliche than a  Schwartzenhager film. 

As for the other original cast shows: 3 was 2 without a good story. 4 was humorous  in the 80s but not so much in 08. Five, a train wreck in every category. Six was a decent run but its cold war plot makes less sense a generation after the Berlin wall.

The TNG movies except nemisis are more contemporary and adult friendly however never quite epic.  Of them only First Contact had a worthy script, the others had weak scripts.  Nemisis is the only film with fewer redeeming qualities than Star Trek 5. 

It just seems that at a tender age we sometimes remember things a little better than they were.  It still speaks volumes that the stories were so endearing. But its clear when judged critically as films, not stories,  these movies are not even close to Oscar material.  

So in the end I&#039;ll back up Mr. Wheaton&#039;s statement that not all of the Trek Movies were all of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently I re-watched all the Trek movies.  This time as a 30 something not a kid or t-ween.  Sadly my childhood memories somewhat embellished these movies as better than they really were. </p>
<p>STMP I disliked as a child, but watching as an adult I see how ambitious it was.  The production values and attention to detail are a degree above all  trek films since. The story is if anything a bit too advanced, showing a future where brains trump phasers. This is the one film I rate higher as an adult than I did as a kid.</p>
<p>TWOK was my childhood favorite,but as an adult it feels like a cheap unpolished production. The editing was horrible, and the actors didn&#8217;t seem challenged.  Its like the director only took one take of every scene and shot the whole thing in a week.  While the overall story is epic, the dialog  was more cliche than a  Schwartzenhager film. </p>
<p>As for the other original cast shows: 3 was 2 without a good story. 4 was humorous  in the 80s but not so much in 08. Five, a train wreck in every category. Six was a decent run but its cold war plot makes less sense a generation after the Berlin wall.</p>
<p>The TNG movies except nemisis are more contemporary and adult friendly however never quite epic.  Of them only First Contact had a worthy script, the others had weak scripts.  Nemisis is the only film with fewer redeeming qualities than Star Trek 5. </p>
<p>It just seems that at a tender age we sometimes remember things a little better than they were.  It still speaks volumes that the stories were so endearing. But its clear when judged critically as films, not stories,  these movies are not even close to Oscar material.  </p>
<p>So in the end I&#8217;ll back up Mr. Wheaton&#8217;s statement that not all of the Trek Movies were all of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Hicks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wil is an awesome guy, a great actor, and a wonderful writer. #22 and those like him/her couldn&#039;t be more wrong. While I disagree with his views on the movies, I can at least agree that there are many Trek films that are inaccessible to outside audiences, and at least a few that were downright bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wil is an awesome guy, a great actor, and a wonderful writer. #22 and those like him/her couldn&#8217;t be more wrong. While I disagree with his views on the movies, I can at least agree that there are many Trek films that are inaccessible to outside audiences, and at least a few that were downright bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#170. Spock&#039;s Brain

Tell you what:  I&#039;ll learn to read between the lines if you&#039;ll learn to write more carefully.  Deal?  If not, you&#039;ll have to work on your apologies.

Btw, love the moniker (Spock&#039;s Brain).  It is one of my favourite eps.  It&#039;s so bad it&#039;s good.

Thanks for the note.

kg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#170. Spock&#8217;s Brain</p>
<p>Tell you what:  I&#8217;ll learn to read between the lines if you&#8217;ll learn to write more carefully.  Deal?  If not, you&#8217;ll have to work on your apologies.</p>
<p>Btw, love the moniker (Spock&#8217;s Brain).  It is one of my favourite eps.  It&#8217;s so bad it&#8217;s good.</p>
<p>Thanks for the note.</p>
<p>kg</p>
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		<title>By: Xai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>171. Captain Robert April - May 11, 2008
&quot;SO WHY IN THE FLYING F&amp;%K ARE WE NOT GETTING EVEN A TENTH OF THE KIND OF PUBLICITY THAT IRON MAN GOT!?!?!

I don’t need a copy of the script, or even a TV Guide synopsis of the plot.

Just show me the f#%king ship, the way she looks at the end of the movie. If she looks right, I’m there.&quot;

Iron Man just came out. Trek&#039;s a year away. They have different production teams, directors and media plan. As for IronMan getting more press before it&#039;s release... I disagree. Trek has far more mentions and notice two years before it&#039;s debut. 
I don&#039;t see where you think a rant like this does you, or any of us, any good. We are all frustrated and want to see more, but this insulting piece just makes fans look bad. You and I have no idea if this shows drastic change to Enterprise and in what context, but perhaps some patience is in order. Calm a little.. it&#039;ll happen eventually.

IMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>171. Captain Robert April &#8211; May 11, 2008<br />
&#8220;SO WHY IN THE FLYING F&amp;%K ARE WE NOT GETTING EVEN A TENTH OF THE KIND OF PUBLICITY THAT IRON MAN GOT!?!?!</p>
<p>I don’t need a copy of the script, or even a TV Guide synopsis of the plot.</p>
<p>Just show me the f#%king ship, the way she looks at the end of the movie. If she looks right, I’m there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Iron Man just came out. Trek&#8217;s a year away. They have different production teams, directors and media plan. As for IronMan getting more press before it&#8217;s release&#8230; I disagree. Trek has far more mentions and notice two years before it&#8217;s debut.<br />
I don&#8217;t see where you think a rant like this does you, or any of us, any good. We are all frustrated and want to see more, but this insulting piece just makes fans look bad. You and I have no idea if this shows drastic change to Enterprise and in what context, but perhaps some patience is in order. Calm a little.. it&#8217;ll happen eventually.</p>
<p>IMO</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Robert April</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Robert April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 20:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might as well drag over what I posted on Wil&#039;s blog (edited for content, of course...):

* * * * * * * 

One problem we&#039;re having with all the happy talk from JJ is that he&#039;s talking mainly to the mundane press, not us, so his comments are aimed primarily at convincing them to come see this thing, not to keep us on the reservation. It&#039;d probably help a bunch if he&#039;d stop in somewhere and talk directly to us (trekmovie.com, trekbbs.com, wherever).

Another troubling bit is the g*ddamned secrecy. This isn&#039;t Lost or Cloverfield, this is Star Trek, and we like our spoilers fresh and hot off the spies&#039; cameras and fax machines and we like a lot of &#039;em. So far, all we&#039;ve got is a teaser trailer with a bloated monstrosity posing as the Enterprise, that may or may not actually be from a more violent alternate timeline.

Y&#039;see, some of us need certain assurances that this &quot;reinvention&quot; doesn&#039;t result in about forty years&#039; worth of continuity getting flushed down the crapper just because someone thought the Enterprise needed a pair of big ginormous engines with the tailfins from a &#039;58 Cadillac.

We already know who the cast is, so a group photo of them in uniform wouldn&#039;t spoil anything, right?

And this is supposed to respect canon, so by all rights, the ship should look pretty much the same as she did during the run of the series, right?

SO WHY IN THE FLYING F&amp;%K ARE WE NOT GETTING EVEN A TENTH OF THE KIND OF PUBLICITY THAT IRON MAN GOT!?!?!

I don&#039;t need a copy of the script, or even a TV Guide synopsis of the plot.

Just show me the f#%king ship, the way she looks at the end of the movie. If she looks right, I&#039;m there.

* * * * * * *

As a follow up, I&#039;d like to point out that we were getting early concept pictures of the Iron Man suit before Robert Downey, Jr. was even cast.  About a year before the movie came out.

SO WHERE THE HELL ARE THOSE PICTURES OF THE ENTERPRISE!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might as well drag over what I posted on Wil&#8217;s blog (edited for content, of course&#8230;):</p>
<p>* * * * * * * </p>
<p>One problem we&#8217;re having with all the happy talk from JJ is that he&#8217;s talking mainly to the mundane press, not us, so his comments are aimed primarily at convincing them to come see this thing, not to keep us on the reservation. It&#8217;d probably help a bunch if he&#8217;d stop in somewhere and talk directly to us (trekmovie.com, trekbbs.com, wherever).</p>
<p>Another troubling bit is the g*ddamned secrecy. This isn&#8217;t Lost or Cloverfield, this is Star Trek, and we like our spoilers fresh and hot off the spies&#8217; cameras and fax machines and we like a lot of &#8216;em. So far, all we&#8217;ve got is a teaser trailer with a bloated monstrosity posing as the Enterprise, that may or may not actually be from a more violent alternate timeline.</p>
<p>Y&#8217;see, some of us need certain assurances that this &#8220;reinvention&#8221; doesn&#8217;t result in about forty years&#8217; worth of continuity getting flushed down the crapper just because someone thought the Enterprise needed a pair of big ginormous engines with the tailfins from a &#8216;58 Cadillac.</p>
<p>We already know who the cast is, so a group photo of them in uniform wouldn&#8217;t spoil anything, right?</p>
<p>And this is supposed to respect canon, so by all rights, the ship should look pretty much the same as she did during the run of the series, right?</p>
<p>SO WHY IN THE FLYING F&amp;%K ARE WE NOT GETTING EVEN A TENTH OF THE KIND OF PUBLICITY THAT IRON MAN GOT!?!?!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need a copy of the script, or even a TV Guide synopsis of the plot.</p>
<p>Just show me the f#%king ship, the way she looks at the end of the movie. If she looks right, I&#8217;m there.</p>
<p>* * * * * * *</p>
<p>As a follow up, I&#8217;d like to point out that we were getting early concept pictures of the Iron Man suit before Robert Downey, Jr. was even cast.  About a year before the movie came out.</p>
<p>SO WHERE THE HELL ARE THOSE PICTURES OF THE ENTERPRISE!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Spock's Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spock's Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#161. Katie G.:

I was spoofing the stereotypes of geeks. Remember the SNL skit where Shat told a roomful of Trekkies to &#039;Get A Life&quot;? Of course, there&#039;s nothing wrong living with roommates, parents, working at Starbucks, or spending endless hours debating fictional characters (which I share with you all).

And I would&#039;ve bet $$ that Katie G. is attached (I joked about it because who gives a hoot either way?) I DON&#039;T HAVE A GIRLFRIEND. OMG!

I threw every stereotype, but the kitchen sink, into that long sentence as a humorous apology to Wil.

Try to develop a less literal sense of humor. So I do still recommend some of you read more. And I am not as good a writer as think I am.

Seacrest out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#161. Katie G.:</p>
<p>I was spoofing the stereotypes of geeks. Remember the SNL skit where Shat told a roomful of Trekkies to &#8216;Get A Life&#8221;? Of course, there&#8217;s nothing wrong living with roommates, parents, working at Starbucks, or spending endless hours debating fictional characters (which I share with you all).</p>
<p>And I would&#8217;ve bet $$ that Katie G. is attached (I joked about it because who gives a hoot either way?) I DON&#8217;T HAVE A GIRLFRIEND. OMG!</p>
<p>I threw every stereotype, but the kitchen sink, into that long sentence as a humorous apology to Wil.</p>
<p>Try to develop a less literal sense of humor. So I do still recommend some of you read more. And I am not as good a writer as think I am.</p>
<p>Seacrest out!</p>
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