-Lee is his son, so he would have to be a human/cylon hybrid, but Hera is said to be the first, and seems very important. Lee would lessen her importance.
-Adama is in the “Last Supper” picture, and RDM said (well of course it could be a lie) that the 5th isn’t in the picture.

However, Leoben did say “Adama is a cylon”, but it is likely he was lying. The S7 do not know who the F5 are anyway, so Leoben must have been making that up.

G’night guys! It’s been a pleasure chatting with you! :)

I would certainly hope you stick around, and don’t leave over this one conversation. I only spoke up because I felt you had taken #58 out of context, or had viewed their comment in the wrong context. Sena didn’t bash Christianity; they merely expressed an opinion that the blog referenced used a primarily Christian frame of reference when interpreting BSG. I don’t think that if you take that comment at face value, it automatically translates into atheism or an anti-Christian bias.

As for my references to the Crusades, I wasn’t implying that Christians were alone in starting or participating in religiously motivated warfare (besides, the Crusades themselves were equally the fault of Christians AND Muslims). They were just common examples that most people would be familiar with. Your reference to Christians being pitted against Christians in the Crusades is well taken – it’s an all too common truth that members of the same faith often find themselves on opposite sides on a battlefield. How often does that happen in war? How religious leaders can reconcile such things is puzzling.

That aside, I think another point you’ve made is very valid – it’s often the leaders making decisions for others that fail to show the basic tenets of their faith. I think the majority of religious people throughout history have been good-hearted folk. I also happen to think most atheists are good-hearted folk. Sadly, the people in charge often are not. And just because someone kills in the name of a god, doesn’t mean that god approves or that their fellow believers do, either.

In fact, state-sponsored atheism isn’t really about a true belief as much as it’s about control. Stalin knew the church had considerable sway over the people (which is part of why he never completely disbanded the Orthodox church), and he didn’t want to share his power. So he had to replace god/the church/faith with something under his control. HItler recognized the same thing, even though he was a ‘quasi-religious’ person. And hey, it’s not as though Constantine didn’t recognize the equal power of state-sponosored religion.

I didn’t mean to imply religious individuals are any more prone to violence than those who aren’t. Really, I just wanted to make it clear that neither necessarily has the advantage. Ultimately, if you took all the religion away, I guarantee you people would still find things to fight about. Heck, half the time I think people on this site are going to tear eachother in half over what color the chairs on the Enterprise will be!

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Anthony, I just wanted #78 to know I wasn’t insulting his beliefs, so hopefully this comment doesn’t exacerbate anything.

and Garovorkin I think half the posts are from you, including a replying to your own posts…that is spamming. I appreciate enthusiasm but you do not need to dominate the discussion with such a volume.

As for the episode last night, i liked it. They left the mystery of the other base ship unresolved which I prefer to not spell everything out the political stuff was fun. The whole thing with the cat was weird and didnt make sense. And Starbuck has transformed back into a model officer a bit too quickly after her whole captain Ahab routine.

but i continue to look forward to BSG as one of the smartest shows on TV.

If I get banned, I get banned defending myself and my beliefs. I get banned as an American

Those men that killed may have been nominal Christians, but they did not act in Christian ways. What I hate more than anything is people who tell only part of a story to “prove their point” and leave out the entire scope of history.

Lots of Christians died fighting other “Christians” bent on conquest. The Byzantine Christians (Eastern Orthodox ) Died fighting the Crusaders. What was the real reason the Crusades happened? Trade with China was suspended when the Muslims took Jerusalem. Richard the Lionheart settled for the tiny port city of Acre, why? Trade with China. Same reason Bush invaded Iraq, they wanted to control trade. If the Muslims had NEVER taken Jerusalem or denied Europe trade with China, there would have been no incentive to sail west to find China and America would be still be in the hands of it’s natives.

No one ever remembers the monks that came to America to help the Indians. No one remembers it was Catholics who wanted to liberate the slaves from the “god” fearing and Christmas-hating “Protestants” Even Thomas Jefferson was a “man of reason” and not a Christian except when it suited him. Franklin was openly atheist. So was Robespierre.

Whites, are you tired of “White Bashing” and “White Guilt” that certain comedians are constantly hitting you with? Why is it okay to hit Christians with “Christian Guilt” ???

I certainly never killed anyone in the name of God. I’ve never even been in a fight. I’m not calling for the conversion of the heathen. You and others are painting the entire Christian faith with the actions of a few bad apples, who aren’t at heart Christians. It’s not okay to say all Muslims are terrorists, then why is it okay to say all Christians are subjugators? Are all whites Misogynistic Slave Owners?

Enough with the BS already

Anthony, the site overall has been fun, but I don’t belong here

Peace

Out

Dom, you are 100% right. I mistook you and #60 as being one and the same, and clearly you are not. I’m sorry about that. Those comments were really directed at him.

I understand what you mean about population growth, but take into consideration the billions of people who have died in religious conflicts in the last 5000 years or so. My god (no pun intended), the Spanish Inquisition alone lasted nearly 400 years! The Crusades went on in various forms for at least 500 years. The Spanish conquistadors killed an estimated 15 million native South Americans. True ‘atheist states’ have only existed in the last 100 years, and whatever awful things some of those regimes have done, there’s no way the death toll is matched by 5000 years of very, very bloody history.