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Preview Image From “The Way To Eden” Remastered June 12, 2008

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Are you Herbert? This weekend the remastered Star Trek episode "The Way To Eden" airs and CBS has sent over a shot of a newly designed Aurora.

check it out below


The Space Hippies Get a New Ship
Again CBS has taken a shot where the original crew were pinching pennies in waning days of the 3rd season (in this case gluing some nacelles on a Tholian model) and creating something more befitting the episode, which referred to the Aurora as a “space cruiser.” Behold the new Aurora. So what do you think? Is it Herbert?

Remastered (click to enlarge)


The Okuda Lowdown…a nod to Jefferies
Trek Remastered producer Mike Okuda provides some background on the new Aurora:

The Ship is based on Mudd’s freighter, with bigger engines and cool windows.

The registry number on the nacelles (probably not visible on screen) is NC-17740, which is the tail number from Matt Jefferies’ beloved 1935 Waco YOC biplane. Matt bought that plane shortly after the original Star Trek ended. He restored it to pristine condition and he enjoyed flying it for years. Even after he gave up his pilot’s license, he and Mary Ann cared for that beauty until he donated it to the Virginia Aviation Museum, where she is still on display.

The Remastered "The Way To Eden" airs this weekend in syndication, check local listings. See for a list of stations


1. Heywood Jablomee - June 12, 2008

Looks like a Yam with pontoons attached to it.

2. freezejeans - June 12, 2008


I actually still enjoy this episode. That redesign looks very cool, almost like a 23rd-century VW Minibus (minus the peace symbol and gnarly curtains).

3. paustin - June 12, 2008

yay brother

4. Ice Nine - June 12, 2008

Herbert! Herbert! Herbert!

5. =A= - June 12, 2008

weird smaller ship..

6. Even more Life Like - June 12, 2008

Looks pretty smokey inside that ship.

7. demon barber of starfleet - June 12, 2008

Definitely one of the more….erm, psychotic? episodes.

Gotta love them space hippies though.

I like the new ship.

8. The Lensman - June 12, 2008

The first thing I thought of is….is this a closeup of the ship used in “Operation: Annihilate!” and\or “Mudd’s Women”? They both, IIRC, seemed to have that same basic shape.

I guess this works, but that texture looks like the same cheap ass standard spaceship hull texture used by fifty billion amateur 3d modelers. Hell, *I’ve* used a texture just like that several times, especially way back in the day when I was working on a K-7 model.

9. The Lensman - June 12, 2008

Also, those “wings” look clipped from the Klingon Battle cruiser model.

10. cbowyer - June 12, 2008

The Aurora needs a big VW logo on the nose.

11. Commodore Z - June 12, 2008

Nice ship, but looks like they forgot to put the stars in.

12. hitch1969© - June 12, 2008

I am TOTALLY Herbert. Always have been. Never will not be.

This is a grate episode.


13. Lou - June 12, 2008

is this the episode with the Space Hippies?

14. MORN SPEAKS - June 13, 2008

It reminds me of the Virgin Galactic

15. ety3 - June 13, 2008

I like it. Nice ship.

The episode, though, is still likely the worst bit of “Star Trek” ever made. Certainly the least timeless.

16. Mr Lerpa - June 13, 2008

#14, I reach that man, I really do brother.

17. AJ - June 13, 2008

It looks like a giant submarine sandwich with nacelles. Herbert, for sure.

Love flappy-eared Dr. Severin and especially Charles Napier (Rambo II) as a singing hippie. Some good tunes, too. What was it?

“I’m gonna crack my knuckles and jump for joy,
Gotta clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy!”

18. toddk - June 13, 2008

The star trek Bloopers album has alot of outtakes from this episode..

“hey out there”

“I see you”

I don’t know how to do it, but it’s gotta be done..


19. Relentless - June 13, 2008

It does look better, but it almost could pass for a miniature “Colonial One”.

20. Enc - June 13, 2008

oh man that ship is now !!!

21. Tango - June 13, 2008

Yamie Herbert brother reaching out and being one with starchy tubers.

I reach.

You grock?

22. Nuallain - June 13, 2008

It really does look like a 23rd century VW minivan, doesn’t it? Most appropriate.

As for the texturing, I suspect this preview image is a bigger and clearer then we’ll get onscreen. After all, if I recall correctly, the Aurora is only ever seen in the distance of the viewscreen.

23. Enc - June 13, 2008

click to enlarge and look close you can see thed star field going by as the ship travels at speed

24. DJT - June 13, 2008

Looks like a VW mini-van to meto me.

maybe that is what they could call their next model.

The 2009 VW Herbert – Herbert as in Herbie the love-bug.

25. Engon - June 13, 2008

It starts to chime!

26. SteveinSF - June 13, 2008

This is indeed the worst episode of the entire series.

I’m not sure this link will work but check out this design.

27. SteveinSF - June 13, 2008

They are kind of similar in design, yes?

28. Larry - June 13, 2008

his planes at the Virginia Aviation Museum??? That’s just down the road from me, I’ll have to go see it.

29. John Gill - June 13, 2008

Yes, this was a bit of a horrid and terrible episode, but to be a kid with a portable cassette tape recorder when it first aired, and recording the audio with a little hand-held microphone from the TV, I must admit that after hearing those hippie songs about a gazillion times, I am sort of fond of it now. Those songs have grown on me just as much as “Last Train To Clarksville” and “Let It Be”, I must have listened to the audio from the Eden episode EVERY DAY a dozen times after school for several years! “Go Now To Eden, Yay Brother” was like a Top 40 hit to me!
Later, when the tricorder-cassette player came out, it was hippie time all over again as I played the same tape in that machine a gazillion times in the 70’s!

30. Craig - June 13, 2008

If the ship’s a rock’n
don’t come a knock’n


31. FredCFO - June 13, 2008

This episode did not sound. It did not reach. It was not ONE, but NONE.

I am not Herbert.

Nice to have the ship redesigned. Looks good.

32. jimj - June 13, 2008

#20 & 17-You two both stole my lines!!! Gotta love the McCoy line and that ship is NOW, that’s real NOW!

33. Miles R. Seppelt - June 13, 2008

Hey Man, That ship is real Now!!

34. John E. Kirk - June 13, 2008

#29 John Gill

I too had the portable cassette player with the microphone. The best thing that happened to me when I was a young teen was getting the “Superscope” cassette/radio combination where I could connect directly to the output of the TV, and record perfect audio of the original broadcasts. I still have the tapes, but don’t listen much. I can however identify with your comments about the songs from this episode. They grew on me too (but I didn’t listen every day). My fav is still “The Doomsday Machine” for action, character, and special effects. This episode was simply different. “Spock, what does “Herbert” mean?

35. Decker's Stubble - June 13, 2008

They needed to add some hippie daisy decals to the outside.

36. Lyle - June 13, 2008

I have to admit, I always kinda liked the Tholian-surplus Aurora, but this new version is fairly happening… I reach!

I never much cared for most of this episode, and it definitely hasn’t aged well, but I have to admit the part at the end where the hippies find out that Eden isn’t all they expected it to be, and especially what happens to Adam, did make for a more poweful ending than one would have expected…

Heading out to Eden, yay brother!

37. Iowagirl - June 13, 2008

– …Certainly the least timeless. –

I know what you mean as it obviously is so much a product of the 60’s, but I don’t think it’s outdated in its overall message. I’d say Spock makes up for everything that was wrong with this ep when urging them to continue their quest for Eden: “I have no doubt you will find it… or make it yourselves.”

I’d say that’s timeless…

38. Cervantes - June 13, 2008

Will miss the upturned ‘nacelles’, as I rather liked that aspect of the original. At least it’s not a cobbled-together mish-mash of previous miniature craft anymore.

#26 SteveinSF

I don’t know either, but I want one! THIS should have been the new design!

39. Garovorkin - June 13, 2008

this episode wasa slap against the Hippies, and thei naive world vie, the episode hile amusing, is noe the less not exactly in the top ten of trek lore, the remastered ship is a major improvement over the old effect. The old effect looks like someone stuck two warp engines on a tholian ship, If fact I would not be in least surprised if this was a case of reusing and old prop to save money. Of course the whole Doc Adams thing is clearly a cautionary tale cults and cult leaders.

40. Enterprise-J - June 13, 2008

The ship almost looks like a Xindi Insectoid ship, during Kirk’s era.

41. Buckaroohawk - June 13, 2008

I wonder if they’ll bother to fix the shots where Shatner’s image is reversed once they beam down to “Eden.” There are two of them if I remember correctly.

42. Cox of Seagulls - June 13, 2008

I like the new ship. But this is still the worst TOS episode and possibly the worst Trek episode full stop imo.

43. John Gill - June 13, 2008

Ahhh, yes, “Doomsday machine” was another that I recorded on audio cassette from it’s original broadcast, that music cheerfully haunted me throughout elementary school. i, too, still have those cassette tapes, but I think the last time I played on was before 1980. Imagine my excitement when those soundtrack CD’s to the original series came out!

44. Closettrekker - June 13, 2008

#26—Couldn’t agree more. Perhaps no other episode is so dated and unable to withstand the passing of time. It was bad to begin with, but 40 years later, it’s utterly ridiculous. Thank goodness we episodes like:

“Where No Man Has Gone Before”,

“Balance Of Terror”,

“Space Seed”,

“Errand Of Mercy”,

“Friday’s Child”,

“Journey To Babel”,

“Mirror, Mirror”,

“The Trouble With Tribbles”,

“Amok Time”,


“Day Of The Dove”,

“The Savage Curtain”, and

“City On The Edge Of Forever”.

That’s not a comprehensive list of great episodes, but that’s about how many it takes to get the “Eden” taste out of my mouth (and it’s Friday The 13th, so 13 seems like a good number)….

45. bill hiro - June 13, 2008

Charles Napier is a god among men.

46. Scott - June 13, 2008

How can you guys say this episode is dated? It had the same timeless message and plot as the epic classic, Star Trek V – The Final Frontier!


Scott B. out.

P.S. Nice new Aurora. It does have the necessary 60s vibe. I do wish they’d retained the more upbeat swept-up nacelles, rather than the Klingon downer Herbert nacelle placement.

47. freezejeans - June 13, 2008

29. John Gill

I had the Tricorder cassette player, too…was that thing huge, or what? I can’t believe we ran around with that slung over our shoulders! But it served its purpose, along with the Communicator walkie-talkies.

48. capt mike - June 13, 2008

Im gonna clap my hands and shout with joy i got a clean bill of health from Dr mccoy. Yeah brother. What a corney episode this was. I looked at it with more of a comedy then serious trek. But as they say, bad trek is still good trek, Yeah brother.No im not a herbert!!!!!! I think im not. Ok im spacing out.

49. Mr. Bob Dobalina - June 13, 2008

Fun episode, no Herbert here!

50. Kyle Nin - June 13, 2008


The stars ARE there, but they’re skewed, showing that the ship is in motion.

51. CmdrR - June 13, 2008

They need some Grateful Dead music and curly smoke eminating from the Aurora.

52. SPOCKBOY - June 13, 2008

Awesome list of episodes, but…………… Savage Curtain?


53. SPOCKBOY - June 13, 2008

Not to critisize………………………;)

…but it isn’t really a unique design.
Throwing together a bunch of TOS elements does not a good design make.
You have;
-enterprise nacelles
-Klingon struts
-enterprise deflector dish(awkwardly placed on said Klingon strut)

That with a potato body and interesting windows.
A true homage to Star Trek TOS would be to use some of Jeffries “unused designs” such as…

The man was brilliant.

54. Quatlo - June 13, 2008

There is a Dead Head decal on the back. What # 6 said.

55. Andy Patterson - June 13, 2008

Finally! “The Way to Eden”. Ben Stiller isn’t the only one who loves this episode.

This episode had so many things to offer as a kid. Yes, it’s silly and cheesy and hippie. I don’t care what anyone says I loved all the music. I loved the space hippie dialogue. I love the jellied pears they eat into that kill them eventually on the planet Eden. I love it all.

I loved “Why do you wear all those clothes? How do you breath?”, Tongo Rad.

I loved the glimpse into a Chekov past with Irina.

I love crazy Dr. Sevrin. “We respectfully request that you take us to Eden”.

I love the bicycle wheel, Vulcan harp duet between Spock and the big legged girl. LOVE IT!

I also love the orgasmic way that the crew members are knocked out by the groovy hippie thumb pinch behind the ears. “Aaaaahhhh.”

And I LOVE groovy, southern Charles Napier as “You’re making me cry”, “Ain’t that just awful?”, “Oh Herbert you are stiff”, “Are you ONE Herbert?”,–Adam (My son’s name is Adam….not named after this one but still…) Napier’s the best. Just dig that exchange between he and Spock in Spcok’s quarters. “Am I crossing you?” “Hey brother! Do you play?” “That’s real now!” “I reach that brother! I really do!”

I have a tape of my brothers and I performing all the music from this episode even “He’s Getting His Physical”…”Gonna Crack my knuckles and jump for joy, got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy” And you’ve got to hear our versions of “Hey Out There” and the’ jam session.’ I’d love for Robert Meyer Burnett to hear it. I think he could use us a background music group in some club the actors are doing a scene in. Just putting that out there. I may send it to him.

56. Garovorkin - June 13, 2008

#53 Spockyoy admittibly the ship is not the greatest design but it does beat the warmed over Tholian ship with warp nacelles stuck on. This episode was really shot on a budget..

57. Garovorkin - June 13, 2008

#53 sorry Spockboy typo, not deliberate misspelling, but you see what im saying about the ship.

58. Thomas Jensen - June 13, 2008

Man, I hate this Spockboy guy. I was about to comment on using the registry number on the nacelles from Matt Jefferies’ beloved 1935 Waco YOC biplane is a nice tribute to the man. And that the ship looks fine.

Then I go and get reminded about Mr. Jefferies other brilliant sketches. And I’m now thinking, “yeah, why didn’t they use one of these?” Way to ruin it for me!

Seriously though, anything is better then the Tholian with warp nacelles.

59. "Uncle Clay" Farrow - June 13, 2008

I think I like this re-design.
The design of the ship looks “older” than the Big E, or any of the other TOS-era Federation ships that we’ve seen thus far. This would make sense for a couple of reasons:

1. Civilian technology that’s passed down from the military tends to be dated compared to its military contemporaries (as opposed to tech that’s developed OUTSIDE the military, which is often leagues ahead of its military contemporaries! Case in point: did you see that piece about soldiers using iPhones? Of course you did, it was linked from this site!);

2. Also, if I remember correcly, this was (in the TOS-timeline) an older ship when Kirk and Co. encountered it. That would explain the more archaic aspects of the ship’s design. It could easily have come from an era between ENT and TOS. (I especially liked the “observation bubble” on the top of Aurora, so much like that on the NX-01’s Shutlepod.

Would have been nice to see some beaded curtains in the windows, tho, or a bumper sticker that reads “Honk if anything falls off!” (Can you tell that I own a vintage Volkswagen?)

60. Marvin the Martian - June 13, 2008

#53: Actually, the only one of those designs worth considering is the last one, and that’s not because it’s rendered nicely. It’s the only one that would fit the verbal description. At the same time, the one that was designed by the CBS-D team is interesting, so I like it.

61. Garovorkin - June 13, 2008

#53 Spockboy that last ship design was made into a model kit decades ago or at least I had model kit very similar to that, in fact it looked almost identical. This was an actual model kit, I do not remember the name of the company that produced it. this one had bay that could open and close on the top. The Model also glowed in the dark. Was wonder if your familiar with such an item?

62. CmdrR - June 13, 2008

Spockboy — As a kid, I had the plastic model of that last Jeffries design. It glowed in the dark and had a mini-ship in the launch bay. Loved that design. Was it actually used in any tv shows or movies??

63. CmdrR - June 13, 2008

As for what’s possible in a design — you’ve got dozens (hundreds?) of space-faring civilizations. Some will make their own, while others will steal liberally. I think ANY combination is theoretically possible, including the bad ones.

64. Nelson - June 13, 2008

Does Spockboy recall that one of Matt Jeffries unused designs was for the Enterprise shuttlecraft and it is indeed very similar to this new Aurora design? I think that the gang and the Okuda’s has indeed paid homage to Jeffires.

This sketch can be seen in the Star Trek Sketchbook.

65. I Am Morg Not Eymorg - June 13, 2008

31. FredCFO: Oh you’re a Herbert all right. :)

I like this one. Fun stuff. I reach brother.

66. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - June 13, 2008

Worst. Episode. Ever.

I have not, ever, to this day, watched this episode from beginning to end in it’s entirety. Even if I tried, I would miss a great deal of it because my eyes were squeezed shut from wincing at the embarrassing dialog and characters. And plot.

To me, there are only 78 episodes of the original series. If this is Herbert, than I am proudly not.

67. Garovorkin - June 13, 2008

#62 CmdRR thats the kit im talking about thats the one I had but it looked nearly identical that last design on Spockboy’s list. In fact it could well be the same ship, the lines and configuration match.

68. Nathan - June 13, 2008

I reach!

69. Closettrekker - June 13, 2008

#52—-Not a “Savage Curtain” fan, huh? Kahless The Unforgettable? Colonel Green? The giant hand, for Surak’s sake!

The point being, anything beats “Steppin’ in-to Eden….Yay, Brother!”

70. OM - June 13, 2008

…The problem with this ship is that it’s not painted up in lots of hippie colors, and there’s no egg with the inifnity symbol logo on the hull. On the other hand, we probably can’t see it in that photo, but there’s probably peace beads and a crystal hanging from the dashboard rear-viewscreen :-)

71. Denise de Arman - June 13, 2008

Hilarious that the hippies reach Spock while loudly proclaiming Kirk to be Herbert.

72. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - June 13, 2008

They should have made the ship look more like a futuristic space bong.

73. Closettrekker - June 13, 2008

#70—Not to mention Talosian bong water stains on the deck plating, and curious smoke eminating from the nacelles….I wonder if Uhura knows any Jefferson Airplane songs…

Yay, Brother!

74. Closettrekker - June 13, 2008

Let’s not forget shag carpeting along the inside of the hull.

May I have your attention, please?…Stay away from the purple food packs!!!

Yay, Brother!

75. Enc - June 13, 2008

any one got tickets for the beck and bender the washboard playin robot concert.

76. Mariyan C. - June 13, 2008

-Cool ship…!!!

77. Dave in RI - June 13, 2008

RE #61 Garovorkin: …”#53 Spockboy that last ship design was made into a model kit decades ago or at least I had model kit very similar to that, in fact it looked almost identical. This was an actual model kit, I do not remember the name of the company that produced it. this one had bay that could open and close on the top. The Model also glowed in the dark. Was wonder if your familiar with such an item?”

I believe the ship was called the Leif Erikson put out by AMT.

I am amused at the Virginia Aviation Museum website, that they refer to the Enterprise as the “Star Trek Enterprise”

“…The Star Trek Enterprise was a cruiser of the starship class. Its registration number, NCC-1701, was inspired by Jeffries’ own 1935 Waco YOC airplane, which was registered as NC-17740.”

78. Xplodin' Nacelle - June 13, 2008

C’mon guys, this episode is fun in a campy kind of way.

The worst episode is,,,,,,,, The Alternative Factor,………….. by far!

“What of Lazarus?” is the dopiest line ever uttered on TOS.

79. Garovorkin - June 13, 2008

#78 Dave Thats the one, it called a UFO or at least that word was on the box its been along time so my memory is a little foggy on that part., probably the same ship. ILL bet is collectible now, I wish I still had that one. Yes it did have a little craft that sat in the a landing bay I think the bay was top middle of the ship or at least is was with the model that I had.

80. Dave in RI - June 13, 2008


Yeah, I think they put out the ship as the Leif Erikson originally, then later reissued it as a U.F.O. It would be interesting to see how much it fetches on eBay.

81. Engon - June 13, 2008

The “Leif Ericson Galactic Cruiser” was released by AMT in the 1960’s after the release of their Entierprise Kit. A somewhat stripped down version of the cruiser was then reissued in the early 1970’s as the “Inteplanetary U.F.O Mystery Ship.”

The original kit came with a “floppy” vinly record called “Sounds of Outer Space.”

More info and audio from the record can be found here:

82. ZtoA - June 13, 2008

Maybe they should replace the background music with “Low Rider” as the new ship passes by or better yet, replace all the dialog with that from Cheech & Chong’s “Up In Smoke”.

83. Andy Patterson - June 13, 2008


Being “Herbert” is meant as an insult. “Herbert was a minor official known for his somewhat rigid and limited thinking.”

84. Andy Patterson - June 13, 2008

I by the way, don’t have an opinion one way or other on the new design of the ship. Just so long as they make it veer off groovily when they are hailed to stop the same way as before.

85. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - June 13, 2008


I apologize for getting my info wrong, but I probably missed that tidbit what with my eyes squeezed shut from the wincing and all. Just to reiterate my view:

Worstest. Ever.

With all due respect to #79, at least Alternative Factor didn’t have that horrible Goin’ to Eden Brother song. That alone set television back a decade.


Thanks to you for that info. I had the Interplanetary U.F.O. mystery ship when I was a kid. I probably bought it because I thought it from the Gerry Anderson series, which it bears a certain design similarity to, and I just had to have it. The little ship inside was absolutely cool. Much cooler than the big ship itself, IMO.

86. Garovorkin - June 13, 2008

My God how many of owned that kit?

87. Denise de Arman - June 13, 2008

THX- I must reserve that dubious distinction for Spock’s Brain. However, Walter Koenig agrees with you. I heard him at a con speak to the fact that this was his least favorite episode because it went against everything his character stood for.

88. CmdrR - June 13, 2008

I believe “Herbert” should be a 23rd century “Chauvin.” Calling someone a chauvinist was a big snarl word in the late 60’s. Wiki the history; it has less of an impact now.

89. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - June 13, 2008


I think it was issued to every kid who could answer a brief questionaire about who the captain of the Enterprise was, who commanded Moonbase Alpha, and who headed up S.H.A.D.O.

90. Garovorkin - June 13, 2008

Spocks Brain, Eden, And the Children shall lead,The Cloud minders, the Mark of Giddeon, That Which Survives,and oh yes the incredibly improbable .The Omega Glory, which begs the question of how a planet in the same universe can produce a word for word copy of the Declaration and have an exact copy of an American flagg. wrethced beyond word, but again not to the same level of wretchedness that A Spock’s Brain sunk to.

91. Closettrekker - June 13, 2008

#88—Herbert? What is Herbert? Oh, am I getting my bad TOS episodes confused?

Yay, Brother!

92. Closettrekker - June 13, 2008

You know what would make that episode better?

Linda Park in that bikini she’s wearing in the Celebwatch thread…OMG

“Slidin’ in next to Linda, Yay, Brother!”

93. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - June 13, 2008


Yeah, I haven’t been the same since seeing that pic today either.

94. Nelson - June 13, 2008

Here’s the sketches that Matt Jeffries had developed for the shuttlecraft that were to expensive to build. They sure look to have inspired the new Aurora design!

95. Garovorkin - June 13, 2008

#95 looks a bit like something out of flash Gordon, but very cool, i would love to have seen that one happen.

96. colin - June 13, 2008

The design is not new. It is a modified Class J starship, first seen in “Mudd’s Women” and later “Operation — Annihilate!”.

97. Denise de Arman - June 13, 2008

Closettreker & THX- LOL! The cause is sufficient…

98. chris pike should be played by chris pine lol - June 13, 2008

ok…so they took what was basically a tholian ship with nacelles and made it look like a photon torpedo with nacelles? omg this sounds more like something in the same satirical vein as hitchhikers guide to the galaxy or spaceballs but alas, sadly they’re passing it off as legit…

99. Dr. Image - June 13, 2008

Without question, this ep qualifies as “so bad it’s good.”

I had Charles Napier sign an 8×10 of himself as Adam a few years ago. He laughed and said, “Yeah…uh… that was during my ‘gay phase’…”

100. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - June 13, 2008

Futuristic space faring hooka. That would be better. And, yeah, why the Klingon pylon struts? That makes no sense whatsoever.

101. Joe Burns - June 13, 2008

Headin’ out to-ooooo Eden
Yeah, brother.

Headin’ ouuut to-ooooo Eden-nah,
No more trouble
In my body or my mind

Gonna live like a king
on whatever I find
Eat all the fruuuit-and!
…throw away the ri-i-ind

Yea-eeee brotha

-His name was Adam

I hated this episode until I discovered beer. Still wish they hadn’t done it, but since it’s here, why not enjoy? If needing 2-3 beers to enjoy this makes me a Herbert, then I am. BTW, wonder if Herbert, Jr. (now known as Dubya) dropped the name because of this? Herbert – Herbert – HERBERT!!

I support the new design, though I suspect Dr. Severin’s Hippie Troupe would have provided it with a less-Herbert paint job.

102. Rick - June 13, 2008

Another case of so bad it winds up good. Okay maybe watchable.;) I am sorry everytime this is on I cannot stop watching it. The groovy cute hippy gals. The very catchy pop hippy tunes. Come on brother you have to be one with me or you are a herbert! ;) Man I almost feel I have to watch it now. Oh yes we get to also see Spock was a bit of a groovy hip dude himself.;) Beaming up now!

103. Spocko - June 13, 2008

Hey man, WOO! That is a cool SPACE SHIP!

104. c0MmODoRe g0oFbAlL - June 13, 2008

If you zoom in real close you can see their grow room.

105. OR Coast Trekkie - June 13, 2008

Substituting one ship with simple glued nacelles for another…. genius…

106. jr - June 13, 2008


107. SteveinSF - June 13, 2008

Charles Napier! After all these years I never thought it was him playing Adam.

108. SciFiMetalGirl - June 13, 2008

I could never stand looking at Sevrin’s cauliflower ears much! Eeep!

109. Andy Patterson - June 13, 2008


That’s very funny. I love Napier. I remember being amazed that that was him in “The Blues Brothers”

110. JB - June 13, 2008

Hey Spockboy:

That “UFO” design was Matt Jeffries’? I remember when that ship was an AMT model kit when I was a kid. I had no idea he designed that. Very cool. He was definitely not Herbert.

111. Niall Johnson - June 13, 2008

Won’t improve the episode any.

112. I am not Herbert - June 13, 2008

“We are one.”
“One is the beginning.”
“You one, Herbert?”
“I am not Herbert.”
“He’s not Herbert – we reach.”

…pretty cool ship! but it needs to be more “trippy”…


113. Izbot - June 13, 2008

I thought one of the points of the Remastering project was to replace re-used ships with new designs. As everyone has noted, the Aurora is an obvious kit-bashing of Tholian and Klingon ships. This ‘new’ ship is similarly a digital kit-bashing of the stolen ship from “Mudd’s Women” (itself already re-used in “Operation: Annihilate”) with the deflector dish of the Enterprise attached to the front of the still-very-Klingon-looking nacelle pylons (magnify to image about 400% and you’ll see the dish).


114. Xon - June 13, 2008

You’ve got a hard lip, Herbert.

115. Pointy Ears - June 13, 2008

I think I can see big fuzzy dice hanging in the windshield.
Also you can clearly see a lava lamp in the third lower window.

116. SPOCKBOY - June 13, 2008

I think Jeffries’ “Leif Erickson” ship….

inspired the Planet of the Apes ship “Icarus”…

117. Engon - June 13, 2008

I’m bleeding.

118. Enc - June 14, 2008

i got one for ya. re the ‘other earth’ debate (omega glory, miri)
iirc there was some speculation/theory back in the before time.
it said that if a planet were to fall into a ‘black hole’. multiple copies could emerge. imagime one happens to earth. several ly later a copy of earth is spit out and so on. just like a paralel universe anything could happen. the copy could take on a diiferent futuree then its parent self. the kohms and the yangs fight wwiii and bio weapoins tha leave them cent to recover. or miri’s planetr seeks longevity and fails. on the ‘real’ earth khan is stoped but at a price.

119. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - June 14, 2008

#14 – I thought the same — the windows are evocative of Virgin Galactic.

#53 – Hey, some (not all) of those were pretty viable designs… makes you think, one of those could have been the “classic look” we all moon over today. enterprise-01.jpg is the best view I have seen of the design that also appears as a painting in TMP when Decker shows Ilea, “all of these ships were called Enterprise”. I have always thought it was an intriguing design, and now that I see a better rendition of it, it wins me over even more — say, as a Vulcan ship.

120. Sid - June 14, 2008

Love it. Would’ve been cooler with NX-class nacelles ;)

121. DJ Koloth - June 14, 2008

Aw man! “The Way To Eden” as a space hippie jam band (with costumes, of course) similar to the “Spock’s Brain” stage play! If done right it would be hilarious…

122. The Underpants Monster - June 14, 2008

I know I’m probably in the minority, but this has always been one of my favorite episodes (campy musical numbers aside). I particularly enjoy watching Nimoy’s performance as SPock is conflicted over admiring the spippie’s ideals but being loyal to his iwn, as well.

I would have loved to see the original idea for the episode filmed, though, since it would have given us a great performance from De Kelley

For anyone who hasn’t read the original outline, it’s here:

123. Mike T. - June 14, 2008

I like it. The rear of the ship’s hull is shaped like the Enterprise’s secondary hull. Maybe this design was a surplus starfleet ship like a older version of the runabout seen on DS9?

124. Jamie - June 14, 2008

I am really irritated by the comma after “crew” in the first line of this article.

It’s extremely jarring, and terrible grammar.

125. Engon - June 14, 2008

90, 118

This is all thoroughly explained by “Hodgkin’s Law of Parallel Planetary Development” which, in a nut shell, states that for any Class M planet harboring sentient life there is a statistically significant chance that said life will evolve into a humanoid culture consistent with one of the various back lot sets at Paramount/Desilu.’s_Law_of_Parallel_Planetary_Development

126. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

#125 Im sorry that does not cover the Yangs having an exact word for word copy of both the Declaration and the American flag there is no possible way that this would be scientifically possible in the same universe. Humanoid life forms? yes, Similar? maybe, the same? unlikely. If this had been a parallel universe story on a parallel Earth, Okay then The Omega Glory would have worked.

127. The Underpants Monster - June 14, 2008

I always just assumed that the Yangs and Kohms were brought to that planet by the same Preservers who brought Miramanee’s people to their planet in “The Paradise Syndrome.”

128. Flint - June 14, 2008

Going to Eden, while jamming on a bicycle wheel with Spock.
Going to Eden, to score some more of that Vulcanian rock.
Going to Eden, with Herbert Kirk Captain of the Ship.
Going to Eden, man what a long strange trip.


129. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

#127 Im sorry but that doesn’t work either the time frame does not work and again, the issue of the declaration of independence and the flag. In the episode Patterns of Force Spock said a culture evolving the same symbols and cultures as Nazi Germany was impossible, same holds true with the Yangs, its not not possible for their ancestors to have come up with an exact copy of the declaration or the flag, it just plain does not work., cannot work.

130. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

By the way the Omega glory is another fine example of the much vaunted trek Cannon contradicting itself. This episode has about as much scientific plausibility as One Million BC in which you had cavemen and dinosaurs together.

131. The Underpants Monster - June 14, 2008

#128 – How does the time frame not work? As long as they were brought there after the documents in question had been written, why not?

132. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

The war Happened centuries before the declaration even existed on earth remember when Captain Tracy said that the father of one of the Commes was over thousand this life span adaptation after such a war as happened would have taken many generation to establish itself as the norm, centuries before the 15th century. It doesn’t work period, 1000 years ago would have been the 15th century on Earth which was 2 centuries before the Declaration was even an a gleam of an Idea even here on Earth.

133. Enc - June 14, 2008

well early theory was that the black hole could be a door way to parallel unvierse. imagine our earth acted like a magnet and pulled another earth in our universe.

i dont know it dosent srtike me as something the preservers would do to take a society that had developed to the point of tech. also they had already picked up earth culture. and not just one. but many tribe of native american. why come back a couple hunfred years later and pick up two moree tribes. and ones at war at that. they were the preservers ment to save those that were worthy of saving not let two battle it out.

134. Orb of the Emissary - June 14, 2008

I like the new ship! :-)

135. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

#132 as theories go, this sounds rather implausible. From a common sense stand point its not workable. If in the Omega Glory, the Exeter and Enterprise had ended up in a parallel universe then the episode would actually work, I don’t why Roddenberry could not devised a way for them to shift over and back from a parallel universe. That should have been difficult for him to accomplish.

136. Engon - June 14, 2008

Man, it’s so simple I can’t believe I have to explain it.

In late October 1962, during the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, an alien race with nearly god-like technological powers became concerned that Earth’s civilization was about to destroy itself. Fearing the worst, they decided to make a “back-up” copy of the entire solar system, including the Sun, the Earth and its people, and place it in a relatively nearby region of the Galaxy. As luck would have it, we, the original Earth’s people, did not destroy ourselves, but the people on the “back-up” copy went to war and the Yangs and the Kohms were the result – the Soviets having been destroyed in the initial conflict and biological warfare having been employed in the second phase with the Chinese communists.

We, the inhabitants of the original Earth were very fortunate to have avoided this fate. At least, I THINK we are the inhabitants of the original Earth…

It’s all pretty obvious if you just read between the lines : )

137. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

#136 Why are you stretching story credibility, to give plausibiliyt to the very sub standard episode ofttrek, I suppose you invent anything to make anything plausible but what is the point here? This episode is one that normally would not see the light of day in todays television, even back then this was a bad script.

138. freezejeans - June 14, 2008

Catching up on this thread and amazed to see the “UFO” model that glowed in the dark mentioned above! I had that as a kid as well and had forgotten about it until looking at Spockboy’s images. Talk about a flashback…I love this site and you guys that post stuff like that rock!

139. Engon - June 14, 2008

137. Amusing. You were happy to point out defects in the scenarios of others, but when you encounter a scenario you can’t easily refute you insist it is “stretching story plausibility.” My point was that in science fiction, almost anything can be made plausible as long as it is given the veneer of an explanation. Time travel, moving between parallel universes and even merely exceeding the speed of light are all fantasies which are commonly accepted in science fiction because the entire field is based on the concept of “What If?” In “Omega Glory,” Roddenberry wanted to show the dark alternative to his optimistic view of the future by simply asking, “‘What if'” there was exact societal duplicate of Earth that didn’t survive 1960’s? It is not hard SF, it more allegorical like Swift or Bradbury, so how the society came to be that way is not what Rodenberry was interested in.

To quote Kirk in “Miri,” “It seems impossible, but there it is.” In other words, “get on the bus.”

Or don’t. Your choice.

140. Jovan - June 14, 2008

I like it. Very retro in design and looks like something they would have used back then as a model… whoever designs the new ships seems to get that stuff right. I’m still pretty pissed about the damn Tholian ships, though. It was a freaking recoloured STE model!

141. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

#139 Engon common sense do you know what odds of find a world in the same universe as ours with human beings exactly like ourselves who happened to craft an exact word for word duplicate of the Declaration of independence? and an American flag? lets start with human beings on another planet in the same universe mathematically zero. that would produce an exact document and Flagg less then that. Your coming up with oh what if the aliens created a duplicate is stretching credibility.

142. COMPASSIONATE GOD - June 14, 2008

Re: #141: Garovorkin, it is sci-fi; if you can believe the warp drives, Guardian of Forever, ancient Planet Killers, mirror universes, galactic barriers which turn humans into God-like beings (REALLY think about all of those ideas)…then you can leave room to accept Engon’s reasoning.

143. COMPASSIONATE GOD - June 14, 2008

About the episode: I think too many suffer from follow-the-leader mentality in their criticisms of this episode without really understanding some very strong social commentary, such as Spock’s:

“There are many who are unconfortable with what we have created. It is almost a biological rebellion; A profound revulsion against the planned communities, the programming, the sterilized, artfully balanced atmospheres. They hunger for an Eden, where spring comes.”

For all of the celebration TOS recieves for forecasting future events/movements, etc., this one line is perhaps even more applicable to today’s world than it was not only in 1969, but more than any other line in the series. All one needs to do is look at the “green” movement, then look at the opposite: the “planned communites” of perfect homes, golf courses, soccer fields, malls and schools, SUVs, aplenty for perfect families–all built around corporate establishments (especially in entertainment & technology) in Florida, California, and other states.

It is all too artificial and communities of this nature tend to stress (if not openly) a sort of one-line of thought for all, and rather superficial, “safe” behavior and lifestyle.

So, in Spock’s line–and some made by Dr. Sevrin, you can find great moments beyond fan comedy routines on so-called “space hippies:, as the dialogue was decades ahead of their time, and now that it has come to pass, carry more force, due to a very shallow, forced reality encouraged in our current society.

144. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

#142 Science fiction has to adhere to logic andscientific plausibility, Warp drive plausibel, Miirror universe scienfiically plausible, being higher on the evolutionary scale plausible. A planet where you have a humans who have come up witth an exact copy of the Declaration of independance and a copy of the american flagg, not possible or plausible in the least. I pointed that out and he came back with what if space aliens created a duplicate Earth? Im sorry thats not reasonable at all, that inventing an explaination where none was given in the first place in the episode. Remeber what spock said in the Episode Patterns of Force. When ther is n a good explaination for something in a story you just can conveniently invent something for lack of an explaination int he story.

145. red-shirted monkey - June 14, 2008

Doesn’t anyone remember Hodgkin’s Law?'s_Law_of_Parallel_Planetary_Development

146. The Underpants Monster - June 14, 2008

#143 – I was also thinking of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, and some kinds of aplastic anemia.

147. Engon - June 14, 2008

144 Garovokin

I’m sorry, but actually the odds are as far away from being mathematically zero as possible. According to physicist Max Tegmark, in an infinite and homogenous universe, not only are the arrangement of atoms duplicated repeatedly throughout the universe, but there would be an infinite number of duplications due to the fact that the limited kinds of particles in the universe can only occupy so many distinct configurations before they repeat. Tegmark calculates the minimum distance to the nearest exact copy of yourself (not to mention The Declaration of Independence) is ten raised to the power of ten to the power of twenty-nine meters away(10^10^29) meters away.

This is an immense distance, but in an infinite universe, the distance is also pretty close to “mathematically zero.” If you want to argue this, take it up with Max Tegmark.

Roddenberry simply (and unwittingly) placed his duplicate world closer to Earth than would be supported by Tegmarks’ recent calculations. Thus the episode merely requires a willing suspension of disbelief – as with, say…warp drive.

148. Engon - June 14, 2008

Regarding duplicate worlds, see the article in Scientific American here:

149. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

#147 but in the same universe? that level of duplication. I rmeber Karl Sagan making a point that the odds of finding human life on other worlds is absolute zero, so from that point a duplication like the declairaion, seems less likely, yes ther is such a thing convergent evolution where you similar froms evolving, look at Austrailia Marsupials, for every many placental mamals Austraila evolved a marsupial analogue. If you look at the evolutionary line on Earthature does repeat the same patterns,Example Icthiosaurs which lived millions of years ago look like dophins but are actually marine reptiles but not the exact ones, While i believe we will find humanoid life which may be be similar to us even in appearance, their underlying physiology and genetics will be different and based upon the given world. It is possible for nature to evolve similarly on other worlds but not exactly the same. The theory that you mention is just a theory and not provable. Also if matter duplication is the same, why is it for example that no two snowflakes are exactly alike? Engron im not trying be stubborn for sake of stubborn, matter duplication to that level?difficult concept to accept.

150. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

#147Engon look however this works out at the very least this has been an interesting debate on what is possible, and what might be possible and what may not be possible in the same universe. The whole problem is proving what is right and what is not. Much of what we are talking about is theories and theories tend to be easier to formulate then actually prove, and thats the problem.

151. Engon - June 14, 2008


It has nothing to do with evolution. It has to do with the arrangement of matter and statistics. The duplicate worlds need not even have the same histories. It is merely that at a particular moment in time all of their particles are arranged exactly as ours. You are thinking on way too small of a scale. On Earth there would not be two “atom for atom” identical snowflakes, but throughout an infinite universe there would be an infinite number of identical copies. The mathematics of this is pretty straightforward, thus it is far more likely than FTL or (non-relativisitc) time travel which, sad to say, physics does not seem to support.

Worse, it would appear that any viable arrangement of matter would also be supported. So, assuming it is not phyically or biologically impossible, there would be worlds out there populated by entire societies of creatures resembling Shari Lewis’ Lambchop puppet.

Infinite space would be infinitely strange. Thanks goodness it is so far away.

152. Garovorkin - June 14, 2008

#151 A world populated by lambchop puppets , god that would to horrible to contemplate now wouldn’t it.. there may possible be something that might prove what you say and I don’t know why it did not ocurred to me. The Mandelbrot set of shapes, the same pattern infintily repeated. An awful thought just entered my mind, what if there is duplicate world with us duplicated, nasty thought. Gerry and Sylvia Anderson of space 1999 fame produced a feature film 1969 called Journey to the far side of the Sun which there was an exact mirror copy of the earth .

153. Engon - June 14, 2008

On the bright side, there would also be worlds where we have better things to do with our time.

I’ve seen “Journey to the Far Side of the Sun.” If you can suspend disbelief about the premise, it winds up being an unexpectedly existential piece of sci-fi.

154. Redjac - June 14, 2008

Maaaan….they could’ve fixed the reversed shots of Kirk on Eden!

That has always bugged me about this episode and should have been SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE to fix!


BUT — all the new FX looked great. So, good job CBS-D!

155. Redjac - June 14, 2008

Whoops…forgot to say, the only thing that should have changed on the design of the Aurora is the main body. I always liked the upswept nacelles…

156. planettom - June 14, 2008

It is odd, at one point it’s said that there’ll be no criminal charges
against them, but they committed Grand Theft Spaceship, resulting in the destruction of the spaceship….

157. Devon - June 15, 2008

One of the worst episodes of the series IMHO but the FX were cool.

158. MrRegular - June 15, 2008

#116: Spockboy:
THANKS for the Jeffries’ “Leif Erickson” ship image. OMG, I had that model kid way back in the day in the 70s when I was a kid and building kits left and right. I haven’t remembered that kit in 25+ years..thanks for the time trip!!
I “reach”!!
I watched The Way To Eden early this morning, after getting home from work. Thought that a glass of wine would numb my nerves to make the “space jam” scenes easier to stand. No. Such. Luck.

The special effects were fantastic though-the new ship and the new background matte for “Eden”, very good.

Has anyone considered that the ultimate negative end of the space hippies is prophetic of the Manson family? A bunch of young idealistic kids in the hands of a crazy leader is a path to certain doom.

159. D - June 15, 2008

its okay. Although the show fixed some things….they missed a lot of opportunities…such as creating a miranda class vessel orbitting for courtmartial……or a fleet of ships leaving the sector for the episode that they had those energy organians stop the klingon/federation war. They could have shown teh ships leaving during the credits.

Besides..i thought they were only 12 constitution ships anyway…during the remastered…it seems like they have hundreds of them. It’s ridiculuos.
It’s not like it costs them money to build models…how hard is it to add a few extra ships? I see college kids doing it on utube.

160. john - June 15, 2008

why are the ships the same exact color?

161. Charles D - June 15, 2008

Need more federation ships.

162. chris pike should be played by chris pine lol - June 17, 2008

hey to those saying a duplicate earth is impossible, shatner said in his kirk novels that the preservers ARTIFICIALLY CONSTRUCTED THE SECOND EARTH

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