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More Star Trek Footage Described Online [UPDATE: Denied] July 25, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Rumor,Spoilers,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

JJ Abrams and his team aren’t bringing any footage of their new Star Trek movie to Comic Con, but Aint it Cool News reposts that one of their ‘spies’ has seen about a minute of the film and describes an elaborate space battle scene. [possible spoilers below].
UPDATE: Description denied by TrekMovie sources

NOTE: Unlike the previous AICN report which was from Harry Knowles and based on an invite from JJ Abrams, the new article is from ‘Mr. Atoz’ who submitted it to AICN or is an anonymous spy for AICN, so read the following with that in mind.

UPDATE: according to two trusted sources, the described scene is not in Star Trek. As noted above, this description was not posted by Knowles who has been to see footage at Paramount (something confirmed by the same sources).

Mr. Atoz’s description starts out thusly:

The first scene starts out with this massive convoy of freighters (may be refugees?), each towing 2 or 3 even bigger cargo looking crates behind them with tractor beams. They look big and slow-moving. Sort of trapezoid shaped with the narrow end being the front. They’re brown in case you were wondering. I’d say there were about 12-15 on screen in a sort of non-general formation. The Enterprise is near the rear as what I assume is an escort. They all make the jump to warp.

I can’t emphasise how real they look. They all use models, no super shiny pure CGI like in Nemesis. There’s a lot of white light surrounding the ships as they make the jump to warp and then it cuts to the interior of the Enterprise’s bridge with the camera pointing at the view screen. The view screen is much bigger, and much closer to the Captain’s chair and forward consoles.

Read the rest at AICN


1. 750 Mang - July 25, 2008

Everyone remember where we parked…

2. Closettrekker - July 25, 2008


3. Peter - July 25, 2008

I want more!!

4. Ruger - July 25, 2008

Yeah, Paramount didn’t have anything they could show at Comic Con, did they? At least somebody has gotten to see something from this film. Maybe before New Years the FANS will actually get to see something of substance.

5. Cody - July 25, 2008

Hmm…. I wanna be a spy now lol

6. Ali - July 25, 2008

Is the first scene Kobayashi Maru?

7. Closettrekker - July 25, 2008

Could this guy be mistaking “The Cage”-era uniforms for cadet uniforms?

Other than the part about “cadet uniforms”(and Kirk being on the bridge as a cadet? I’ll assume that is also a mistake), this sounds great.

I wonder if Anthony can somehow confirm the validity of this report…Given that this is presumably unauthorized, how would you even go about that?

8. Admiral Denny Crane - July 25, 2008

#6 Ali

I don’t think that this scene will be the Kobayashi Maru test. I don’t think we will see any exterior shots, since the Kobayashi Maru test takes place in a simulator, and isn’t really happening. I could be wrong though.

9. CmdrR - July 25, 2008

What the hell kind of name is Sunflower for a villain’s ship??

10. Valar1 - July 25, 2008

Wow, that sounds fantastic! I like the description of the new photon torpedo effect and the shield looking like a bulb that is shorting out. I hope the guy is legit.

11. oztrek - July 25, 2008


12. Einstein Jones - July 25, 2008

Cadet uniforms? Sunflower? Am I reading the same post?

13. Prologic9 - July 25, 2008

I doubt they were “all models,” or that there are any model ships in the film (save for something that might need to be blown up, etc.). It was probably just good CGI, which contrary to popular believe, does exist.

Just not in Trek Remastered. (ouch)

Reading this over at AICN though it sounds like they trust this spy, so I believe it’s real.

14. DEMODE - July 25, 2008

Could Kirk and family have been rescued by the Enterprise? Maybe he was rescued by the Enterprise from Tarsus IV, where he was one of nine surviving witnesses to the massacre of 4,000 by Governor Kodos. Perhaps these ships carried Kirk and others who escaped fromother parts of Tarsus IV. Just a thought. Would explain why Kirk was so in love with the Enterprise.

15. sean - July 25, 2008

There’s nothing that says Kirk couldn’t have been on the Enterprise as a cadet, so I don’t see an issue there.

16. Closettrekker - July 25, 2008

#15—No especially, except that it may contradict a previous report (Knowles viewing of a clip from STXI approved by Abrams) that Kirk is NOT given his first assignment aboard the Enterprise after the Academy graduation ceremony. I would have to read this report again, but is it ever clear that the ship in question actually is the Enterprise? If so, that didn’t stick after the first read.

Anyway, I don’t have a “canon” beef with it at all. I just question the accuracy of the “spy report”.

17. Kirk, James T. - July 25, 2008

sounds awesome!

18. braxus - July 25, 2008

YES! They are using models instead of CGI for some of the ships. Good move.

Also sounds like the Kobayashi Maru like scenereo. I doubt this is the first scene in the film itself. Probably the first scene he saw.

19. Dennis Bailey - July 25, 2008

The account doesn’t say that Kirk is on the ship – only that the viewer thought he might be among the cadets.

20. IIIIIII'M Captain KIRK!!! - July 25, 2008

I’m curious if they kept Pike’s Enterprise bridge the same as they did in the TOS episodes “The Menagerie”, where all the bridge stations (except the Captain’s chair, of course) have the annoying little snake-like viewscreens.

21. tbk1701 - July 25, 2008

Is it May yet?

22. Izbot - July 25, 2008

12. Einstein Jones –
“Cadet uniforms? Sunflower? Am I reading the same post?”

Yeah, I’m with you. What the hell are these guys talking about?

RE: This Mr. Atoz dude
I don’t believe a word of this. It sounds like Battlestar Galactica. I bet Senator Vreenak would have something to say about this…

23. Izbot - July 25, 2008

Oh, I see. A link to the whole article. D’oh!

BTW, Bruce Greenwood ain’t no late 30s/early 40s. More like late 50s/early 60s. *IF* this is real footage it couldn’t be Captain Pike. Only a kid or an idiot would guess someone his age was in his late 30s.

24. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 25, 2008

This is for you #3 Peter…

The movie opens with Spock STILL on Romulus struggling with old age and his obsession to oversee the reunification Romulus AND Vulcan.

The now, very much older Spock, is in the agony of losing his mind due to advanced age. Spocks half vulcan/human/romulan family is there trying to assist the now half crazed Spock through his final days. Spock’s son, ‘Christopher,’ tells Spock of a plot of those opposed to reunification (Nero) intend to go back and destroy Kirk on an early academy training mission. That this would put Romulus in the dissident’s hands again.

Spock, now fully distraught and agonized, uses his remaining strength and mental abilities to transport himself through time (a function of Spock’s own MASTERY of Vulcan power and will.)

Present Day…

Kirk is in command of the Enterprise! He is young (a little too young) and in the command chair flirting with a very attractive female cadet. A klaxon is heard and Kirk spins the chair to see a FLEET of romulan ships appearing out of nowhere. Great FX roll on the screen as the Enterprise battles the attacking ships. An emergency hail is heard over the communication channel. It’s the Kobyasimaru. A thrilling sequence wich involve a slick manuever with Kirk ordering the big “E” between the ships of the opposing fleet causing some of them to destroy themselves. The Enterprise escapes with the distressed Kobyasimaru crew, straight off and out into light speed. A hero is made!

But it’s just a test. The lights come on to reveal a young Spock who is ordering the holodeck simulator switched off. With no emotion Spock orders everyone but Kirk out of the simulator. A brief discusion with Kirk ensues. Kirk admits to changing the simluator – with the assistance of the attractive younger cadet who is watching from the outside of the simulator. But Kirk, triumpantly, and boldly, takes the full blame.

Young Jim Kirk exits the simulator smiling and takes the hand of a
cadet assistant (Carol Marcus) and leads her away.

The younger Spock, hearing his name called, turns only to find his own well worn, time traveled, older self deposited before him on the bridge deck, gasping and reaching up to say something important. But he can’t. The young Spock accomplishes a mind meld that is very powerful and perplexing. The mind meld is partially succesful and leaves the stunned younger Spock a glimpse into his (future) friend’s (Kirk’s???) untimely death. A series of images that are not very clear. The Older Spock then disappears. The explaination is of course that, the future has been changed and older Spock could not have possibly ever done this.

The future is new again! Or, is it?

A now much confused Spock must report to Academy Officers and Captain Pike, that his trainees have messed with the simulator.
A scene that is very somber and ends with Spock under much scrutiny from his Commander.

The Academy Panel is headed by Christopher Pike, who is very agressive in his questioning of the test. Spock tells Pike that Kirk is not suited for the Enterprise and should be assigned to a ship of lessor importance. But Pike orders Spock to prepare Kirk on his first assignment on the “Enterprise” as his own 1st officer.

Later in his quarters Spock has a flashback.

A conversation with Spock’s mother (Amanda) happens and she tells a much, much younger Spock of his true half Vulcan heritage. More is shown of the younger Spock having all the troubles meshing with true Vulcan culture. A depiction of truely LOGICAL Vulcan culture is shown for us onscreen, An AMAZING culture HEAVILY vested in science and technology. So much so, that it reinforces the paradox for Spock who is still so unsure of the apparant “friendship” with a roughshot, womanizing, HUMAN trainnee named Kirk.

Spock, assisting in simulator design at Star Fleet Academy, considers the recent events, his trainees, the test, and of course the mindmeld. Spock continues to watch over Kirk and company.

Kirk, in particular, excells through his remaining classes at the Academy. Later, Spock appears before Pike, and through a good bit of logic, forces Pike to admit that Kirk should not be appointed to serve on the Enterprise and that he will assume the first officer assignment himself (in order to ‘protect’ the excelling, but still unfamiliar Kirk, and also possibly stop the time travel plot). Spock suggests to Captain Pike, and the Cadet Review Panel, that Kirk should be assigned, as an Ensign, to a much less pretigous and much older Starship, the Farragut (and old NX class?)
that is scheduled to leave and on its mission to protect a small
supply convoy.

When Kirk receives his final scores which are higher than ANY other student on record at Star Fleet Academy he believes he is sure to get his choice spot as first officer on the (Spock perceived – doomed) starship Enterprise. But Spock confronts Kirk and and reveals he has cancelled Kirk’s plum position on the ‘New’ Starship Enterprise.

Kirk receives his orders for his new assignment on the Farragut, which will take him away from a now pregnant Carol Marcus. A deeply sad momment for Kirk is depicted as he tells her he must save his career and head out on assignment. To follow his orders and persue to the responsibility that he is assigned. We’ll see each other again.

Pike and Spock, now on the Enterprise, leave spacedock with the other Star Fleet cadets and crew that we all know. Most are featured. Scotty, Urhura, Sulu, and McCoy, but no Kirk. The new crew head out on thier first adventure. A journey to a planet known as Rigel. The Assignment: The Starship Lexington is missing and the Enterprse crew are to attempt a search and rescue. The Rigel colony is a currently a non-member of the federation but is also close to Romulan territory. Rigel is not much of a threat to most starships in Starfleet. But, Rigel is known to be involved in the Orions’ trading of illegal green slave women. Some of which are also offered to nearby systems and rouge worlds.

The mission begins very poorly.

The Enterprise enters Rigel’s orbit and hails for the missing Starship Lexington. No reply. Sensors indicate that there are known ‘Orion’ starships on the planet. The captain and crew beam down. Once on the planet they are immediately fired upon and captured in an intense phaser battle. It goes poorly for the crew as they lose a young yeoman, right before the eyes of Pike and Spock. Spock is injured in the blast and Pike and the rest of the landing party are captured. The Enterprise is also met with a fire. From the Starship Lexington, now in orbit around Rigel, and also from another mysterious spaceship. Scotty orders the Enterprise to retreat out of the system and without the landing party. Captured on the planet Pike must negotiate with a now treasonous captain of the Starship Lexington. His old friend, Captain Garrison.

Captain Garrison was an excellent officer, but now he apparently delights in many treasures on the planet Rigel (ahh… the green sex slaves.) Captain Garrison tries to conviince Pike of the unlimited power that they could assume with the power of two Starships. But Captain Pike does not buy into Garrisons’ plan. Later Nero makes an appearance in Garrisons quarters and is shown to be locked in a mind meld controlling Garrison’s mind. Later, Pike confronts Garrison, who in his drunken state, tells of the Romulan meld. The mysterious Nero appears again and shoots at Pike with a laser blaster. The fight escallates and Pike is able to steal Garrison’s Phaser. He shoots at Nero but Garrison gets in the way and dies. Nero escapes. Pike then manages to get his crew together and sends a message back to the Enterprise. The rescue is planned well and after another big space battle the Enterprise makes it back to Star Fleet HQ with the recaptured Starship Lexington. Command codes are featured as the primary resolution to the battle. The Romulan ship (with a pheonix brilliantly displayed on the underside) is seen briefly by Pike as it escapes.

In Sickbay, unconscious, Spock begins having more images surface from the mind meld. One image is of a Romulan Warbird firing its torpedos. The next is Pike near death and burning and Kirk in control. But Spock still is unsure of what is all means. It’s not Logical!

Now in sickbay, McCoy is agry over having to pull the sheet over the young Yoeman. Spock wakes from his injuries. Spock and McCoy have thier first real meeting. Spock immediately asks Dr. McCoy when the other crewmembers will be ready for duty. Always the antagonist, McCoy asks the unemotional Spock about Vulcans and thier apparant lack of emotion in the face of death. Spock is on a mission of his own now. With the mindmeld flashes more present in his mind he wants to have everyone back in position and ready for an apparant Romulan sneak attack. But he can’t tell McCoy. Its still too illogical.

Spock meets with Captain Pike later in his quarters. Pike is taking the loss of the young yoeman, and his close friend, very hard. Pike is now talking retirement. Spock who is now suspecting that he also may be to blame suggests to the Captain the the error was all his. Additional information comes in from the remaining crewmembers of the Lexington. It appears that there was an initial attack by an “invisible” Romulan ship that suprised the Lexington and lead to thier initial demise. The coordinates to the initial attack is in the same sector where Kirk is venturing out on his first mission on the Farragut.

Spock, still fearing for Kirk and Pike’s safety, decides to speak with his Captain and tell him of his own mind meld and of the danger that they are apparently in. Pike orders the Enterprise and Lexington to divert back to Star Fleet for needed repairs. Once back at Starfleet, Pike orders to fill the open positions on the Enterprise. Checkov is assigned at this point on the bridge. Additional crew were lost in the last battle and some of Pike’s crew are to be reassigned to the Lexington to support repair. Another mission is planned by Pike to go back to Rigel and the nearby colonies.

On the Romulan Ship a discusion is taking place between Nero and his second. Nero asks why they did not suceeded in killing Kirk? Rigel was a perfect trap. All is uncertain now! We must get this new cloaking technology back to Romulos to stregthen out legions.

Back on the Farragut, Kirk is busy with duties as a weapons officer. In a briefing room the Commander tells his crew (and Kirk) that there is a threat to the Federation near the Nuetral Zone. The smaller Farragut must investigate on thier own, as there is a gap in the Federations defenses. The crew is ordered alert and they warp out. Once the Farragut comes out of warp the crew begins scanning the nuetral zone for activity on the border. Kirk begins scanning all frequencies and spots a much larger ship heading for the neutral zone. Kirk alerts his Captain who decides not to lead the attack before they have the proper support from Starfleet. Kirk begins scanning again and alerts the captain that the strange advanced looking starship is energizing fields around thier ship. Kirk powers up the ships weapons and defenses. Kirk again alerts his captain to regulations, but the captain orders him to stand down the ship’s weapons. The Romulan continues slowly toward the nuetral zone. Kirk performs some additonal scans and watches all his readings carefully. He then quotes another regulation again and reminds the Captain the thier ship will be hard to spot if Enterprsie should arrive. The captain agrees that a secure channel beacon should be established.

Kirk alerts his captain again and quotes regulations. We must persue that ship before if gets out of sensor range! The captain waits and then orders an open hailing frequency to the strange ship. Once the main viewer comes on the Romulan Captain Nero sees Kirk onscreen. A polite diplomatic exchange is offered, the Romulan captain mentions they are on a standard mapping mission and the transmission is lost. The ship continues slowly on towards the zone. Suddenly, the ship spins and a weapon is launched from the Romulan. The bridge erupts in fire as a plasma blast tears into the Farragut.

On board the Enterprise Spock is at his sensor station sees the warning beacon and realizes what is transpiring. Spock alerts Pike who doubles the Enterprises speed. At the higher warp we see Scotty in engineering demanding that Pike reduce the ship’s speed (Canna’ do it any longa’ Captain, She’ll blow apart!)

Back on the Faragut Kirk executes some amazing fire on the Romulan Ship through flames and debris. He one of two left alive on the bridge and is working many controls and stations. Kirk, and a helmsman, manage to steer thier ship into the thick clouds of a giant gaseous planet, therebye obscuring thier location. The Enterprise drops out of warp and begins scanning for federation ships. The Enterprise is unable to find the enemy Romulan ship, but is seeing the federation secure code beacon but is still unable to communicate with the Farragut.

Pike orders a landing party. Pike, Spock and McCoy beam down to the engineering department to find a wrecked ship and few survivors. They beam over the few left alive and after scanning for more they find life on the bridge and make there way there. Once at the bridge emergency bulkhead, Spock scans to find a rapidly diminishing life support environment. Pike orders Spock to stay with McCoy and ready the Transporters for beamout. Pike enters to save any he can and comes out with the helsman but returns for Kirk. He returns just as the Romulan ship appears on the main screen and fires. Flames and Plasma erupt again thoughout the bridge and Pike is caught inside as the bulkhead slams shut from the distruction. Kirk, Spock and McCoy beam out.

Once on the Enterprise Kirk is revived and Spock tasks to re-energize and save Pike. But alas, he is not soon enough and a badly, badly burned Pike is beamed aboard.

The Enterprise, now vulnerable without their shields up takes massive hits from the Romulan Ship. Kirk joins Spock on the Bridge and takes position at the weapons consol. He offers a polite excuse to the ensign to move asside as spock looks on with a nod.

The ship is rocked by another massive hit and Kirk “orders” the bridge crew to dive into the gas giant as it would be a good place for cover as the Enterprise cannot raise shields fast enough. The Enterprise dives into the atmosphere just behind the smoldering Faragut.

The Warbird withdrawls into space back to Romulus.

Kirk and Spock have a discusion on board the Enterpise about what to do about the Romulans. It’s you he wants Jim. I know Spock, some how I always knew. I saw the look in his eyes. We have to stop him now.

After some time passes and through another one of Scotty’s miracles the Enterprises’ engines are reenergized. Kirk ‘recommends,’ to Captain Spock, that they launch sensor probes out of the atmosphere gas giant to get the enemy positions. The sensors return visuals of a massive Romulan fleet comming into position to surround the Gas Giant.

Kirk comes up with a plan and it is executed. They would use the Faragut’s fading engines to lure in the Romulans closer to the planet. The Romulan ships eventually enter into orbit around the gas giant, by the order of Nero, in an attempt to detstroy both ships and stop any signals from getting out about the invasion.

The finale erupts!.

A final scene of the battle is a phaser blasting Enterprise warping around the gas giant shooting at decending Romulans while depositing antimatter warheads in the atmosphere berfore slingshoting out of the Gas Giant, just as the whole thing goes up in a HUGE matter/antimatter explosion. Destroying the whole world as well as the Romulan fleet.


Medals are given to the crew. A conversation is had between Kirk Spock and McCoy. The whimiscal nature of it makes sense to Kirk and McCoy, but for unemotional Spock he has trouble even understanding why Kirk and McCoy are so happy with what happened. It was all because of you Spock. Cheers!

We then see Kirk, as captain of the Enterprise, on the bridge with the cast all around, with the crew we all love, going away into deep space on a brand new adventure.

There is a fade and a reveal . A much older Kirk is watching on as McCoy is treating a now awakening Spock. The camera turns as Kirk pulls a the older smiling Spock up by the hand and back to full conciousness. As the camera pulls back we see they are all back on Vulcan in a hospital room at the present day (post Next Gen). Spocks’ very familiar family all around. Including Scotty and too.

Fade out.

End. – The adventure continues.

25. Casey - July 25, 2008

Holy crap. What a post! You just made that up or what??

26. Simon - July 25, 2008

The sensors return visuals of a massive Romulan fleet comming into position to surround the Gas Giant.



All those “Coming Soon” posters and teasers go ignored…

Loose instead of lose, comming instead of coming…sigh.

27. Beam Me Up - July 25, 2008

Yeah, that has to be made up. How could James Doohan be in the movie?

28. CmdrR - July 25, 2008

24 — Yikes. Why don’t you slap a cover on that and sell it?

29. Tanner Waterbury - July 25, 2008

@ 24

30. jimj - July 25, 2008

#24-Quite an imagination…but the purists are gonna “eat you alive”! lol

31. Rusty0918 - July 25, 2008

Yeah, I wonder when Senator Vreenak will enter the scene here.

32. jimj - July 25, 2008

#29-Worry not, it isn’t! ;-)

33. British Naval Dude - July 25, 2008

Wait… I got me own version!!!! Look out!


Star Trek 11:

IT WAS the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way-in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
Then, somehow, Spock and Kirk get it on….



34. jimj - July 25, 2008

#24-Hey, JJ, stay away from that Romulan Ale…it’s made your fingers do the walking a bit too much (and besides, Romulan Ale is illegal)-hee, hee, hee!

35. JWW - July 25, 2008

tractor beams operating at warp?


i dont think so, not a chance…

well, so much for ptolemy class freighters…

36. NoRez - July 25, 2008

I really enjoyed that – thank you!

37. Timncc1701 - July 25, 2008

I had to stop reading Atoz as well as #24. I just don’t want to know the plot. I found an online script for Nemesis before it came out. I saw the movie but found myself pointing out variances from the script online. Must have some shooting edits.
Anyway, I liked Nemesis but seeing the script before definitely diminished the experience of the movie. I hope #24 ain’t it. Jolon False, Spock.

38. Andy Patterson - July 25, 2008

“I can’t emphasise how real they look. They all use models, no super shiny pure CGI like in Nemesis.”

That’s one of the coolest things I’ve heard about the movie. That’s cool news.

39. That One Guy - July 25, 2008

Hey people, 24 is someone’s imagination being transcribed with a very good writing ability. Don’t get all hung up on it.

I’ll come back in the morning with a nice storyline for you all, and you can get irked up about that. It will involve Futurama, XBox, and Burger King.

40. Stanky McFibberich - July 25, 2008


41. Scott Gammans - July 25, 2008

I call BS. This “spy” couldn’t know for certain that the starships are physical models unless s/he was working *at* the F/X house doing the VF/X… and if that was the case, the F/X house wouldn’t have the live action elements–only the editor working on the entire film would have all those elements.

42. MORN SPEAKS - July 25, 2008

It sounds so overtly fake to me, I don’t believe one ounce of it. Don’t be fooled because his name is Mr. Atoz, he doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about.

43. Xai - July 25, 2008

the viewer is assuming they are models, they likely are not.
I don’t see where this information has been authenticated anymore than #24’s post.

Grandma was from Missouri…… show me.

44. Xai - July 25, 2008

in other words… it’s hooey until proven otherwise.

45. The Last Maquis - July 25, 2008

Good God # 24!! why didn’t you write a long post instead?

Uh I’m not That Big of a Canon Freak, But the Only thing I really Had a problem with was The RED Phasers. NOOOOO!!! Blue, Dammit Blue!!

46. JL - July 25, 2008

Maybe this is part of the next revolution in CGI – the FX are so good, the ships look like physical models. HOLEE – – !!

Leave it to Abrams. He’s gonna kick a$$ and take names with this movie, I can feel it.

47. JL - July 25, 2008

hey #24

Dude. That has to be the longest MF post I have ever seen on this site. Have you ever even *kissed* a girl.

48. Devon - July 25, 2008

#43. In light of J.J.’s comments, even saying that the Enterprise is both CGI and real.. why is it so hard to believe?

49. Devon - July 25, 2008

I have to say… for a one minute viewing that only took place once, this guy seemed to remember A LOT of detail…. fake?

I normally have to see something twice before I can remember details like that, but that’s just me.. so what do I know?

50. warptrek - July 25, 2008

43. Xai – July 25, 2008
the viewer is assuming they are models, they likely are not.
I don’t see where this information has been authenticated anymore than #24’s post.

Some people can tell when it’s a model and when it’s CGI I usually can. I am not gonna sit here and say I am 100% right all the time but I usually can tell.
There was no CGI Enterprise in the first 6 Star Trek films, perhaps even Generations but I am not certain. You can see the difference in the starship models between the first 7 films and the very last 2 films Insurrection and Nemesis.

51. Sean4000 - July 25, 2008

You are right 50.

Generations was the first Trek film to use CGI ships. Mainly the Lukule and the other ship caught in the ribbon. The Klingon explosion was a reuse from ST:VI (BOO!)

The enterprise B and D were models and the saucer section crashing on Veridian III was dragged by a truck and CGI was used to erase the cable lines.

I think that’s 99.5% accurate.

52. Harry Ballz - July 25, 2008

What if #24 IS a fake, but when the actual movie comes out, it ends up that the real storyline isn’t as good as what we just read?


53. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 25, 2008

I don’t think that is the case here.
If so, then just call me to write a good sequel. : )

54. Craig - July 25, 2008

Hmm, if this spy footage is real, why did he describe all the ships in detail but not describe the one we really want to know about… THe Enterprise???? It doesnt make sense. Describes all of them but the Enterprise.

55. Commodore Redshirt - July 25, 2008

Re: 24. TrekMadeMeWonder
…have you given JJ’s TREK much thought?

56. DonDonP1 - July 25, 2008

I’ve got an idea for the new Trek flick:

1) The first scene: where an older, post-Next Generation, post-Nemesis Ambassador Spock, aided by a duo of Starfleet officers in the post-2373 uniform, being visited by a half Vulcan/human/Romulan family.

2) A scene where an adolescent James T. Kirk listens in his history class to and share thoughts about his childhood hero Captain Jonathan Archer, skipper of the NX-01.

3) For the final scene: Captain James T. Kirk sits at the command chair and assumes command of the Enterprise with Mr. Spock standing beside Captain Kirk. Then fade to the post-Nemesis-era Ambassador Spock visiting a cemetery, where Kirk was buried. Then, a new montage featuring the ‘spirits’ of the three Enterprises: the NX-01, the NCC-1701 and the NCC-1701-E flying together, ending with the voices of Picard, Kirk and Archer:

Picard: “Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. It’s mission…”

Kirk (as played by Chris Pine): “…to explore strange new worlds…to seek out new life and new civilizations…”

Archer: “…to boldly go, where no human…”

Kirk: “…where no man…”

Picard: “…where no one…”

All 3 captains: “…has gone before!”

Then, comes a new orchestration of the Alexander Courage-composed “Original Series” theme music.

57. Devon - July 25, 2008

#54 – That crossed my mind but not in that context. Good point.

58. AJ - July 25, 2008


Kirk: Blaaaaaaagggghhh!

Spock: “He’s puking, doctor.”

McCoy: “I know he’s puking, you Vulcan idiot!.”

Kirk: “Horrrrrrrrgh!”

Spock: “Lieutenant Kirk MUST be on board the Farragut in 10 minutes”

McCoy: “What?” McCoy gives Jim a hypo-spray

Kirk: “Oh my God!..Oh…oh…I didn’t vomit, did I? Oh crap. I shat my pants…”

Spock: “Lieutenant Kirk. You are an arrogant ass. Yet, you are needed aboard the Farragut ASAP.”

Kirk: “I kinda like YOUR arrogant ass, my hot Vulcan friend”

Spock: “That is irrelevant.”

McCoy: “Don’t worry, Mr. Spock. I’ll get him to his ship. I just hope I don’t have to deal with the likes of you two again.”

Spock: “Doctor?”

McCoy: “I’m just a country doctor. Y’all are explorers, and such…Not my cup of tea.”

Spock: “Doctor, why did you call me an “Vulcan idiot”?”

McCoy: “Don’t sweat it, Jack”

Spock: “Jack?”


59. Commodore Redshirt - July 26, 2008

Re: 58. AJ
“McCoy: “Don’t worry, Mr. Spock. I’ll get him to his ship. I just hope I don’t have to deal with the likes of you two again.” ”

That’s funny
I’d like to see your movie!

60. Beam Me Up - July 26, 2008

I doubt the new movie used models. It’s much cheaper and easier to use CG these days.

61. Mark from Germany - July 26, 2008

What is the sens in describing that space battle scene and not reporting on what the new Enterprise looks like? makes io sense at all…except it this report is total fake…I don’t believe a word….

62. sean - July 26, 2008

no CGI? what was with all this talk that JJ was saying about how ‘modern special effects havent been used to this extent on a Star Trek movie’….so based on that I call bullshit or the person that he was seeing models

63. Cheve - July 26, 2008


Then, in your whole movie, Scottie, Sulu, Chekov and Uhura only appear in the background?

That’s all? They just cross and look at the camera like Boba Fet in the remastered Episode IV?

Man, Give the rest of the cast something to do in your fanfics and involve them in the main plot. If not, you are only making Nemesis again.

64. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 26, 2008

I just saw The Dark Knight the other day. Now there is a 3 hr movie that really suffers from too many characters.

Just give us the big 3 – with the ship AND crew that we well along with a well defined plot, and, of course, a good nemesis.

And #55 Commodore…
We are in good hands with J.J. and co.

65. Sebi - July 26, 2008

As always, I don’t believe anything coming from AICN….

There is only one reliable source on the net, called

66. Paulaner - July 26, 2008

I love this “text trailers” ;-)

67. Relentless - July 26, 2008

As Worf would say “enough talk”. We Want Trailers. We Want Trailers.

68. neonknights - July 26, 2008

Real models instead of CGI! That’s one thing this film will be worth seeing for! :-)

69. Paulaner - July 26, 2008


I would like old school models instead of crappy CGI, but I think that this is unlikely. In my opinion we will have some really good and believable CGI.

70. Mar'c - July 26, 2008

– Hmm…sounds more like a footage from Star Wars…

71. SPB - July 26, 2008


Sorry, dude, but didn’t you pull this baloney a few months before? This is NOT the plot of STAR TREK XI…. this is simply TrekMakesMeWonder’s own version of what he/she hopes TREK XI will be.

TWO DEAD GIVEAWAYS: Hasn’t it already been confirmed that a) Spock uses some sort of “time ship” to travel to the past and b) Carol Marcus is NOT in the new movie?

Interesting reading, nonetheless. You obviously put and lot of thought into it.

72. SPB - July 26, 2008


MORE DEAD GIVEAWAYS: No flashback scenes mentioned of Kirk and his brother (they both been cast in the film).

Little or no scenes described of Scotty, Uhura, Chekov and/or Sulu. Wasn’t Uhura supposed to be featured prominently in the new movie?

73. Commodore Redshirt - July 26, 2008

Re: # 64. TrekMadeMeWonder
” We are in good hands with J.J. and co. ”

I know we are… I was attempting the Earth Humor known as “Sarcasm”.
Forgive me if I failed to understand it’s subtle nuances.

74. Mar'c - July 26, 2008

-What is with all that ‘Kobayashi Maru’ crap…???
Just give me a tng warbird..a tng romulan..maybe a jem’hadar .and i will be the happiest man…

75. Jon - July 26, 2008

@ 24. This is amazingly awesome;

Spock, now fully distraught and agonized, uses his remaining strength and mental abilities to transport himself through time (a function of Spock’s own MASTERY of Vulcan power and will.)


76. Irishtrekkie - July 26, 2008

like alot of people here i have to agree , that i am sure the ships will be almost all cgi , i think it was more a case of really good cgi , i mean the flim has a BIG budget , and extra time now to work on there shots, so i am expecting ….well the best space effects ever to be honest , ILM might go and hopefully put everybody else to shame . I can wait to see some.
thats not saying there wont be some models uses, just hopefully the quailty is so good you cant tell when its cgi or a model. Come ILM ! Impress us !

77. Dom - July 26, 2008

AFAIK, ILM don’t use physical models for their films anymore. If they have used ‘models’, more likely it’s CGI made to look like models, a la Daren Dochterman’s work on The Doomsday Machine!

Anyway, this report sounds fake to me.

78. Irishtrekkie - July 26, 2008

‘Mr. Atoz’ who submitted it to AICN or is an anonymous spy for AICN.

right……., i did not realize we had section 31, Tal Shiar and the Obsidian Order spying for us .

whats next they will tell us that many botans died to bring us this information, well i dont know if i can really buy it .

i think Vreenak, should confirm this, i mean we all know we can trust Vreenak he is the vice chairman of the Tal Shiar, who is this Mr.Atoz ? just some anonymous spy ?

79. dalek - July 26, 2008

Mr Atoz is a classic Trek character. Only someone who knew Classic Trek well would choose a name like that.

Given this …. Don’t you think this guy would know WHO captain Pike was? ;)

80. Doug from Afghanistan - July 26, 2008

I believe it was established a few months ago (by Mr. Orci himself) the ships would be CGI renderings.

I, for one, have some doubts about the authenticity of this anonymous report.

That said, I would prefer the filmmakers use real models. I still believe that most CGI shops aren’t “quite there” yet on photo realism vs. CGI.

81. Commodore Redshirt - July 26, 2008

This sounds kind of odd…
…but from what I know of the editing process, this segment could be part of anyplace in the film and may not be at all in context…
There are other Starships in JJ’s TREK besides the big E, so anything is possible….

82. Irishtrekkie - July 26, 2008

so what your saying is Mr Atoz , is just a fan from the furture who saw the movie , but then use the time tportal to travel back in time and tell us about it before our sun when supernova due the the awesomeness of the new star trek movie bringing about the end of mankind

83. Cervantes - July 26, 2008

#40 Stanky Mcfibberich

I think the word you were actually looking for was….’fake’! You must be slipping these days. ;)

Actually, I quite enjoyed TrekMadeMeWonder’s little ‘storyline’ too, but #75 Jon was right about that particular point. It’s a pity that the ‘One-man Time-Travel vehicle’ hadn’t been mentioned there instead, lol. I liked a lot of it however. Nice work overall. I’m looking forward to what the actual writers have cooked up concerning ‘time-travelling’ shenanigans…. Whatever, I’m sure that the visuals are going to be fabulous, whether it’s Miniatures or CGI, or both.

I’ve a lot to catch up with here (which is great), as I’ve been slumming it for a while now following Adywan’s amazingly brilliant ‘fan editing’ of the Star Wars saga on the OriginalTrilogy site. He’s a Trek fan too, and I’d sure like him to turn his attention to the Star Trek:Remastered DVDs at some time in the future….

84. sean - July 26, 2008

I agree it’s unlikely they’re using models, but I’d be happy to hear that they’re using quality CGI to make everything appear ‘real’. I don’t see why this couldn’t be legit, it’s just that it is very likely a controlled ‘leak’ to appease those that complained about the Comic Con no-show. ‘Mr AtoZ’ is probably just what HK called whoever it was from AICN that attended the ‘spy footage’.

Someone mentioned The Dark Knight having too many characters…we’ll be LUCKY if the new Trek is half as good as TDK and balances its characters so well.

85. Paulaner - July 26, 2008

We may start thinking that the viral campaign has begun. Controlled rumours, unofficial misterious reports… all these things are part of Abrams’ usual way to build the mistery and gain some hype. Do you remember the Cloverfield case?

86. devon Richards - July 26, 2008

I don’t buy it – JJ has a good relationship with this site, and his people read it. Why would he be so secretive about the movie, and yet show chunks of it to a guy who is blabbing all over the internet?
As to # 24’s synopsis – I stopped reading when it said some nonsense about Spock travelling through time using Vulcan mysticism. It is clearly established that there is a ship that Spock travels in, and after 45 years of Trek, we can’t just go bestowing as yet unseen magical powers onto it’s established races.
This is one of those cases wherein I feel sorry for the individual in question. Star Trek is an awesome thing to have as a part of your life, especially if you truly understand it. But, if you are a Trek fan and don’t get it at all….that to me is really quite sad.

87. AJ - July 26, 2008

“Mr. Atoz” writes like a C-grade high school student (except for the word “trapezoid.” Bravo!) and shouldn’t be posting on sites which rely on descriptive text.

I would much prefer that Anthony get access to these “secret” bits of footage, because I could at least then believe they are in the film.

88. Anthony Pascale - July 26, 2008


Dont make me send Vreenak after you…stop clogging up the site with giant fake spoiler posts

89. Dr. Image - July 26, 2008

Red photorps? Orange phaser beams? Movie-style ships?
I really hope it’s BS.

90. diabolk - July 26, 2008

I sjut willed myself back through time (through sheer WILLPOWER) and told myself to not take the time from my morning to read the fan-fiction story. After that both versions went to see The Dark Knight with the time saved.

91. NoRez - July 26, 2008

TMMW aka #24 didn’t say it was a description of the movie. And personally, I overlooked the typos and the few small questionable details and just ENJOYED THE STORY.

[i]* Cred statement: 1st generation infant fan, 2nd generation channel-11-NY-at-6-pm-in-the-70s fan, follower of all that came after (but nothing will replace TOS in my heart.) And I can remember when the only ‘new content’ anyone could read was that they wrote themselves or find a xerox copy of at a convention, if they were lucky enough to get to L.A. or the old Statler-Hilton in NYC. So…. I enjoyed this. And don’t care what it is or what it isn’t.[/i]

#24, do you do a lot of this? And if so, where?

92. ME - July 26, 2008


WHat an ass.

93. SpikedCanon - July 26, 2008

#24 Awesome Job! That was some of the best reading I’ve done online in a while.

Anthony instead of chastising you should hire him to write a weekly Trek story.

94. AJ - July 26, 2008


If you feel like posting fiction, you’re better off doing so in Chat. The critiques will be honest, and you will get feedback from some hardcore “old school” Trekkers, as well as newer ones.

Also, it will give the more casual scrollers of the titled threads a chance to go through it all without being bogged down by a long story.

Just my 2 cents.

95. Chris M - July 26, 2008

I wanna see the movie NOW! It matters not I’ll just jump into my Deloreon and go ahead 285 days!!

96. SpikedCanon - July 26, 2008

#24 you forgot the Faran Tahir character …where are you going to add him?

97. Closettrekker - July 26, 2008

#79—-“Mr Atoz is a classic Trek character. Only someone who knew Classic Trek well would choose a name like that.

Don’t you think this guy would know WHO captain Pike was?”

Since Mr. Atoz never uses the name “Pike” (it is Merrick’s assumption), it probably isn’t Pike whom he is describing. Besides, anyone who would go to this much trouble probably knows who Bruce Greenwood is, and that he is playing Christopher Pike. He does pin the ship in question down as the Enterprise though. Unless Robert April is featured in the film and we just don’t know it, it would have to be Pike….hmmm. Something is rotten on Tellar…

If it is Pike in command of the Enterprise, then his suggestion that Kirk may be among the cadets would appear to contradict an earlier, more reliable report that Kirk does not get an assignment to the Enterprise (unless he is just not assigned to the Big E after graduation, but actually served aboard as a midshipman) upon leaving the Academy.

Also, why are cadets training aboard one of Starfleet’s finest ships? The 12 Constitution (or starship)class vessels are not likely to be riddled with cadets. Wouldn’t it make more sense for a much older ship to serve that purpose?

Something about the whole thing doesn’t sit right with me. I think that either
1) The Talosians are having some fun with us again (minus Vina the Green Slave Girl, unfortunately)
2) This guy is making it all up for kicks

The only other explanation is that some of what he thought he saw—he actually did not. After all, one minute of footage isn’t very much (although he seems to recall an awful lot).

98. Tony Whitehead - July 26, 2008

Whether the AICN story is true or not, I rather doubt that ILM isusing actual models in the production of these special effects, as I seem to recall that Industial Light and Magic sold off their practical model division a few years ago.
Then again, films of this size often use multiple fx houses, due to the volume of shots needed. Either way, I remain optimistic.

24, I also had to abandon your post, even though it was a fun read. Vreenak’s coming!

99. NoRez - July 26, 2008

I thought “Chat” linked to a chatroom. Thanks for making me check it out, 94/AJ. Hopefully 24 will take your suggestion and post more there :)

100. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - July 26, 2008




101. section9 - July 26, 2008

I strongly suspect that they have built an actual scaler model for the Big E. ILM did models for Star Wars EP IV: A New Hope, back in 1975-76, so it’s not like they have no experience with modeling. Enterprise herself will probably be modeled with a big scaler unit. The other starships, Romulan vessels, D-7’s and the like, will probably get the CGI treatment.

#24 gets a visit from Senator Vreenak, imho.

102. Devon - July 26, 2008

# 98 “Whether the AICN story is true or not, I rather doubt that ILM isusing actual models in the production of these special effects, as I seem to recall that Industial Light and Magic sold off their practical model division a few years ago.”

As I mentioned earlier, what about J.J.’s comments about making Star Trek real and that the Enterprise would be both of the physical and the CGI?

I’m not saying this guy is right, but some here I think are not thinking outside of the box here, no offense. It’s ILM for goodness sake’s, and if J.J. needs model makers at his disposal, they still exist!

103. Jay - July 26, 2008

So, for the ships they’re using miniatures?!? Cool, but I thought that ILM was doing the effects, and we all know about George Lucas’ love of CGI. So, did JJ win out or something.

104. Adam E - July 26, 2008

Anthony, Have you ran this by Senator Vreenak?

105. the king in shreds and tatters - July 26, 2008

98. ILM used a bunch of practicals on RotS. The Utapau Docking Hole? Model.

The truth is, now that digital editing is more or less industry standard (and good cameras getting smaller), many of the problems with practicals is gone. Blowing them up is still difficult, but for just flying around and getting establishing shots (especially long, lingering shots of their hull texture or whatever) they’re still competitive.

These days, CGI vs. other effects work isn’t really a choice of ‘one looks more real than the other.’ They both have different stylistic advantages.

106. Xai - July 26, 2008

50. warptrek – July 25, 2008

“Some people can tell when it’s a model and when it’s CGI I usually can. I am not gonna sit here and say I am 100% right all the time but I usually can tell.”

If you are as detailed about reading as you are about spotting CGI, you would see that I said “..they likely are not.” I didn’t say “they are not”. I am not 100% sure about what ILM did for their Enterprise. I wasn’t there. It’s my belief that ILM sold off their model effects stuff and are true believers in the CGI gods now. But even I can be wrong.

107. Devon - July 26, 2008

I don’t mean to post so much.. but regarding ILM selling off their model division, according to this:

It happened a couple of years ago. However, it went to an employee of ILM named Mark Anderson, he renamed it Kerner Optical, and the article indicates it will be ILM’s first go-to company for any of the work they specialize in.. meaning that if ILM can’t do it, they have someone who can.

So even though they sold it, it doesn’t seem necessarily fair to imply that they completely broke themselves off from ever doing model work again.

I’m not suggesting by any means that this is the case here as I have no evidence, but just wanted to clarify for those who for some reason think that physical models absolutely can not be done in this movie simply because ILM are doing the FX.

108. Closettrekker - July 26, 2008

I don’t know why it seems so important to some people, but in regards to whether the ships were models or CGI, he only claims to have seen about a minute or so of footage…and only once. It could very well be that the CGI was so good that it couldn’t be distinguished.
This would be consistent with Knowles’ earlier report that what little he saw was better than anything he’d ever seen in Star Wars or Star Trek before.
And I also remember JJ saying something to the effect that both models and CGI would be utilized.

109. Tony Whitehead - July 26, 2008

107. Devon.
Thanks for the research on that. I remembered it being sold, but it’s good that ILM still has that tool still available in its toolbox.

110. Prologic9 - July 26, 2008

I’ll bet anyone here $500,000,000,000,000.02 that there isn’t a single physical model used for visual effects work in the film, unless it’s being blown up.

Abrams’ comment about the Enterprise being a combination of real and CGI refers to the WHOLE ship, so it’s a combination of CGI exteriors, physical sets for interiors, and CG set enhancements.

111. OM - July 26, 2008


…Yeah, right. A demand from someone who doesn’t know how to turn off their caps lock key, much less spell “immediately”? Begone!

112. Xai - July 26, 2008

110. jasper conrad – July 26, 2008
24. TrekMadeMeWonder – YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN! Prick!!!

Hope that made you feel all better to insult a regular poster. Who are you?

re: Models vs. CGI

It’s a null issue until we know this report is legit or “fake”!

113. Chris Basken - July 26, 2008

While it’s possible they built a practical Enterprise, I doubt they built a bunch of physical models for a group of essentially throwaway convoy ships.

Besides, I’m quite sure CGI can be done that would fool you into thinking you were seeing a model. Look at the opening Nexus scene in Generations. The Enterprise B was sometimes a model, sometimes CGI. Can you tell which is which?

114. Spoiler or not... - July 26, 2008

For any of the Star Trek production crew, including Roberto Orci, who may be reading this thread…

Regardless of whether or not this is real footage being spoiled to the masses, take heed:

You’re getting some wonderful, jubilant feedback about the scenarios depicted in the spoilers.

Take that to heart when developing the sequel. :)

And btw, I’d LOVE to see the next movie open with a scene that takes place immediately at the close of an original series episode, like the Enterprise pulling away from the K-7 space station, or even moving away from the Doomsday Machine (akin to the scene from the “Star Trek: Debt of Honor” graphic novel by Chris Claremont and Adam Hughes).

Looking forward to 2009!

115. Commodore Lurker - July 26, 2008

AICN report sounds cool, I hope it’s straight up.

116. Alex Rosenzweig - July 26, 2008

The only thing I have heard that correlates to the Mr. Atoz description and that I know to be reliable–because it came from a source established to have actually been on the set–is that the main viewer on the Enterprise bridge is much larger than it was in TOS. I’m not sure how I feel about that, really, but I’ll wait and see what it all actually looks like before I pass judgment.

117. Tango - July 26, 2008

I call shenanigans on #24.

118. Xai - July 26, 2008

Looks to be a FAKE! We have a flag on the play.

119. British Naval Dude - July 26, 2008

I hates it when they fake it…

120. Devon - July 26, 2008

#111 – Abrams’ comment about the Enterprise being a combination of real and CGI refers to the WHOLE ship, so it’s a combination of CGI exteriors, physical sets for interiors, and CG set enhancements.”

Obviously, of course you suited that to fit your belief that you didn’t feel there would be a single physical model. However, I don’t think it’s entirely how you say it is either.

121. The Truth is Out There - July 26, 2008

THANK YOU, ANTHONY! Your hard work is appreciated. Getting the Truth is appreciated.

Paramount – MAKE SURE you give the first scoops of the new Enterprise, cast photos, etc. While mainstream sites like AICN may cater to large audiences, they do a #@*$ job in delivering quality, accurate news stories.

TrekMovie (among other Trek sites) do a credible job.

‘Nuff said.

122. Pah Wraith - July 27, 2008

Well done, Anthony!

123. Number 3 - July 27, 2008…I don’t post alot on here, but some people on here are very rude, they analyze every word of someone’s post and pick it to death so they can talk trash about it…instead of commenting on the original story or adding anything of interest.Some have great ideas (24)….some are really funny (BND)…some just need to chill…but hey, that just my op.

Peace and long life

124. dalek - July 27, 2008

#97 it seems our doubts were correct. It just didn’t seem right this guy knew his Trek; but seemed oblivious to what he was describing, which all pointed to Pike.

125. Decker's Stubble - July 27, 2008

Senator Vreenak, call you office.

126. Rusty0918 - July 27, 2008

Yeah, we want Vreenak in here!

127. The Last Maquis - July 27, 2008

Thanks Anthony, No!!, Spiked Canon, and ….Be silent Xai.

128. Commodore Lurker - July 27, 2008

Once AGAIN, AICN is proven to be a rumour mill! As I’ve said before, with no disrespect to Mr. Knowles. But, he should watch his store more guardedly.

129. Commodore Lurker - July 27, 2008

127, Please don’t disrespect Xai. Show some respect for your elders and other’s opinions. Besides, his female alter-ego is a character in three of my books. I worked you into Book One XAI. }:-D>

130. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - July 27, 2008

No, no, no #24… you’ve got it all wrong… This is how it opens:

Against an empty, glittering starfield, a Klingon Bird-of-Prey decloaks. Cut to the bridge of the Enterprise.


On the viewscreen, the gnarled, angry face of the Klingon captain appears.


Try to deny that,!

131. Scott Gammans - July 27, 2008

This is not the “Star Trek” spoilers you’ve been looking for. Move along.

132. Xai - July 27, 2008

127. The Last Maquis – July 27, 2008
Thanks Anthony, No!!, Spiked Canon, and ….Be silent Xai.

You first… show us how it’s done.

133. Dennis Bailey - July 28, 2008

#116:”The only thing I have heard that correlates to the Mr. Atoz description and that I know to be reliable–because it came from a source established to have actually been on the set–is that the main viewer on the Enterprise bridge is much larger than it was in TOS.”

Yeah, but that’s a pretty easy guess – or, alternatively, a bit of gossip that might have been picked up second-hand by “Mr. ATOZ” in a manner similar to that in which we’ve heard it. ;-)

134. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 28, 2008

#101, and Anthony.

Of course IT’S A FAKE!!!!
I wrote it for fans like Peter that needed a BIG Trek fix.
It is loosely based on the revealed tidbits I have garnered from the real

I did originally posted six months ago when when I thought we all
needed a little extra ‘news’ as some TrekMovie regulars have noted.
Actually, once I started writing it the whole story just came together in one stream of thought. It took me four hours to write that. So please consider it my ‘contribution here, for TrekMovie and for fans just like #33 Peter.

No offense intended. OK Anthiony?

And was Spock’s soul/time travel idea really that bad. Older Spock was only supossed to be a projection back in time into his own younger mind. He was only visible to his younger self for tiny bits throughout. C’mon guys, Spocks returned from the dead after spending a few weeks inside McCoys head. And Trek has used so many more fantastic plot devices in the past. In my book it totaly bypasses any the Time Travel pitfalls.

I think a Spock/Vulcan astral projection effect could look great onscreen. What does a Vulcan do when they meditate anyhow? Math problems?!
I would think expanding or unlocking the super conciousness would be high on the list.

P.S. It would be nice if you guys would ‘unblock’ my original and standard TrekMadeMeWonder IP address ID from posting here (yes I have emailed you to unblock.) These days I have to make a special trips out to a WiFi hotspot in order to post here. I don’t understand what’s up with that.
It’s the self protective moves like that that make me wonder if I was a little too close to the actual script for the comfort of the ‘Studio’.

See you on the next beamout…

135. DaveM - July 29, 2008

Things to remember…

*** – ILM shut down the physical model shop between six months to a year ago. Therefore all their work is now CGI. ILM would not be shooting models anymore.

*** – If the CGI were to “look” like models its because it was designed to do so and they rendered it that way.

*** – Spies on AICN are losers.

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