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	<title>Comments on: Pegg Talks Star Trek and Breaking the Odd Numbered Curse</title>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wash shocked when I saw Nemesis.

I&#039;d heard it was awful, but I found myself really enjoying it. That is, until the second half of the film. Then, it just got worse and worse and I&#039;m still in therapy trying to recover from the ordeal of Data dying in such a pointless, meaningless way and having his memory tainted by a stupid replacement android.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wash shocked when I saw Nemesis.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d heard it was awful, but I found myself really enjoying it. That is, until the second half of the film. Then, it just got worse and worse and I&#8217;m still in therapy trying to recover from the ordeal of Data dying in such a pointless, meaningless way and having his memory tainted by a stupid replacement android.</p>
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		<title>By: 7 of 5</title>
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		<dc:creator>7 of 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#95

Thank you for giving me a new inflation-adjusted source for box office receipts. I was actually going to try to do it myself since my old source [Box Office Mojo] now makes you buy a membership [nuh-uh] to get that data, among other things.

It also shows the relative popularity of TOS and TNG and the diminishing returns the Franchise has had since the 80s.

Very interesting that 8 of the 10 flicks qualify as blockbusters by today&#039;s $100m gross standards. I think that needs to be adjusted &#039;way up for inflation, up to maybe as high as $200m. to connote blockbuster status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#95</p>
<p>Thank you for giving me a new inflation-adjusted source for box office receipts. I was actually going to try to do it myself since my old source [Box Office Mojo] now makes you buy a membership [nuh-uh] to get that data, among other things.</p>
<p>It also shows the relative popularity of TOS and TNG and the diminishing returns the Franchise has had since the 80s.</p>
<p>Very interesting that 8 of the 10 flicks qualify as blockbusters by today&#8217;s $100m gross standards. I think that needs to be adjusted &#8216;way up for inflation, up to maybe as high as $200m. to connote blockbuster status.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Zoom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Zoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#85
Actually, according to the-numbers.com, when you adjust for inflation, TMP was the most popular Trek film, $225.4 million in today&#039;s dollars.

It is also #142 among all films released since 1977.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/inflation.php

Here are all the Treks in the top 598 (again, these are inflation adjusted):

TMP $225.4m
TVH $200.7m
TWOK $187.0m
TSFS $156.5m
FC $143.0m
GEN $127.4m
TUC $122.7m
INS $101.7m

Not surprisingly, TFF and NEM failed to make the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#85<br />
Actually, according to the-numbers.com, when you adjust for inflation, TMP was the most popular Trek film, $225.4 million in today&#8217;s dollars.</p>
<p>It is also #142 among all films released since 1977.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/inflation.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/inflation.php</a></p>
<p>Here are all the Treks in the top 598 (again, these are inflation adjusted):</p>
<p>TMP $225.4m<br />
TVH $200.7m<br />
TWOK $187.0m<br />
TSFS $156.5m<br />
FC $143.0m<br />
GEN $127.4m<br />
TUC $122.7m<br />
INS $101.7m</p>
<p>Not surprisingly, TFF and NEM failed to make the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#94--That&#039;s an interesting point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#94&#8211;That&#8217;s an interesting point.</p>
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		<title>By: The Underpants Monster</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Underpants Monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think another thing that hurt the TNG films in comparison to the TOS films is that there just hadn&#039;t been enough time passed. TMP came out a decade after TOS wrapped - there was enough time for TOS to translate from small-scale to large-scale in the minds of writers, actors, producers, and everyone else who creates a work of film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another thing that hurt the TNG films in comparison to the TOS films is that there just hadn&#8217;t been enough time passed. TMP came out a decade after TOS wrapped &#8211; there was enough time for TOS to translate from small-scale to large-scale in the minds of writers, actors, producers, and everyone else who creates a work of film.</p>
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		<title>By: Xplodin' Nacelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xplodin' Nacelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe since the movies hit double digits, the curse will be reversed. Now since Nemesis only the even numbered movies will suck...

Seriously it really all depends upon how much effort is put into the production, story, &amp; acting.

(raises a toast)  Here&#039;s to Trek 11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe since the movies hit double digits, the curse will be reversed. Now since Nemesis only the even numbered movies will suck&#8230;</p>
<p>Seriously it really all depends upon how much effort is put into the production, story, &amp; acting.</p>
<p>(raises a toast)  Here&#8217;s to Trek 11.</p>
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		<title>By: thersites</title>
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		<dc:creator>thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my take on the whole odd/even numbered thing:

Every even numbered movie is better than the film it follows.

Every odd numbered movie is worse than the film it follows.

Only possible objection (well...I guess someone will object to every possible combination it brings up) is that some people might not think 10 (Nemesis) is better than 9 (Insurrection).

Let&#039;s hope that this new one breaks the cycle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my take on the whole odd/even numbered thing:</p>
<p>Every even numbered movie is better than the film it follows.</p>
<p>Every odd numbered movie is worse than the film it follows.</p>
<p>Only possible objection (well&#8230;I guess someone will object to every possible combination it brings up) is that some people might not think 10 (Nemesis) is better than 9 (Insurrection).</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope that this new one breaks the cycle!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Seven of Nine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Seven of Nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 59. DJ Koloth
...&quot;Still, a Data subplot in EVERY movie? Wreck the Enterprise D? Kill Kirk? B4?&quot;...&quot;Spiner took up too much screen time while the other castmembers had to sit around and deliver one-liners.&quot;

Koloth is dead-on.  I enjoyed TNG films, but, but no where near as much as the TOS films.  Why? Because of the Berman Wankfest-O-Meter: Nemesis was so bad that it blew the top right off of it!  They had to rewrite the Overused-Trek-Cliche-In-One-Place-Scale for NEM:

*  A storm that prevents transporter use
*  Data/parts of Data/Androids that look like Data are used to lure the E&#039;s and her crew into a trap.
*  &quot;We found something that looks like Data on a weird planet.  Let&#039;s put it together!&quot;
*  Data sings!
*  Worf is used for comic relief and not for ass-kicking.
*  Damn!  The Enterprise is the only ship in range!  Twice!
* Oh yeah, the positronic signature just happens to come from a planet near the Neutral Zone.
* A villain that&#039;s as weightless as the CGI ships.
* Crap!  They&#039;re going to use the weapon against a populated planet!

OK - maybe that was harsh.  I wanted all of the TNG films to be as great as the others, but IMHO they never really grew past what we already saw on TV.  Still, I bought all of the DVDs.  At least FC was to &quot;Best of Both Worlds&quot; as TWOK was to &quot;Space Seed&quot;.

LOL - I actually put NEM on because of this board and re-read this oldy, but goodie:  http://64.225.106.216/web/Nemesis_ANNOTATED.PDF


    


During the film, I recall thinking to myself &quot;if the Enterprise is run by Starfleet&#039;s best, most experienced and brightest crews, then why do they get taken by plot devices that Riker should have learned to avoid at the academ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 59. DJ Koloth<br />
&#8230;&#8221;Still, a Data subplot in EVERY movie? Wreck the Enterprise D? Kill Kirk? B4?&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;Spiner took up too much screen time while the other castmembers had to sit around and deliver one-liners.&#8221;</p>
<p>Koloth is dead-on.  I enjoyed TNG films, but, but no where near as much as the TOS films.  Why? Because of the Berman Wankfest-O-Meter: Nemesis was so bad that it blew the top right off of it!  They had to rewrite the Overused-Trek-Cliche-In-One-Place-Scale for NEM:</p>
<p>*  A storm that prevents transporter use<br />
*  Data/parts of Data/Androids that look like Data are used to lure the E&#8217;s and her crew into a trap.<br />
*  &#8220;We found something that looks like Data on a weird planet.  Let&#8217;s put it together!&#8221;<br />
*  Data sings!<br />
*  Worf is used for comic relief and not for ass-kicking.<br />
*  Damn!  The Enterprise is the only ship in range!  Twice!<br />
* Oh yeah, the positronic signature just happens to come from a planet near the Neutral Zone.<br />
* A villain that&#8217;s as weightless as the CGI ships.<br />
* Crap!  They&#8217;re going to use the weapon against a populated planet!</p>
<p>OK &#8211; maybe that was harsh.  I wanted all of the TNG films to be as great as the others, but IMHO they never really grew past what we already saw on TV.  Still, I bought all of the DVDs.  At least FC was to &#8220;Best of Both Worlds&#8221; as TWOK was to &#8220;Space Seed&#8221;.</p>
<p>LOL &#8211; I actually put NEM on because of this board and re-read this oldy, but goodie:  <a href="http://64.225.106.216/web/Nemesis_ANNOTATED.PDF" rel="nofollow">http://64.225.106.216/web/Nemesis_ANNOTATED.PDF</a></p>
<p>During the film, I recall thinking to myself &#8220;if the Enterprise is run by Starfleet&#8217;s best, most experienced and brightest crews, then why do they get taken by plot devices that Riker should have learned to avoid at the academ</p>
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		<title>By: Pegg Talks Star Trek and Breaking the Odd Numbered Curse &#124; Sarkle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pegg Talks Star Trek and Breaking the Odd Numbered Curse &#124; Sarkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott xavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an ordained minister I can brake the curse for UK and paramount.</description>
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