It was done pretty well…I can’t uinderstand why CBS couldn’t do the same for the final scene of klingon – federation battle with those energy guys stopped.

CBS digital really need to to take some lessons from these kids.

I have to say that after viewing Enterprise’s attempt at TOS, DS9’s attempt at TOS, and TOS-R, I like Enterprise’s take the best, DS9’s second, and this cheap CGI dead last. I don’t know how See B.S. Digital got the contract but it was not proven to be the right decision. At least for me.

Set returned.

Releasing these remastered Season 2 and 3 on DVD only seems like such a waste. I’ll wait for the Blu-ray versions to be released.

#74
“My contacts are telling me that when TOS arrives on Blu-ray, it will NOT include the originals. The Blu-ray editions will mirror the features on the TOS S1 combo set with the picture and picture commentaries on theHD-DVD now called picture view on Blu-ray. S2 had been nearly complete when HD-DVD failed, so that work will be ported over to an eventual Blu-ray release (’Im hearing next year). I’ve heard no mention of the original unaltered versions being released in HD. Fans who want the original unaltered versions will just have to hang onto their sd-dvd season sets from 2004.”

If your contacts’ predictions are correct, then we should better do some protesting before it’s to late. Tell Paramount that you want the original version of the series included in HD on the future Blu ray sets and that you won’t buy any sets that don’t additionally include the original version of the series as well.

We know there are HD masters of Star Trek without the new effects. Look it up here: http://www.paramounttv.com/whnjs.htm

“This series has been transferred into HD and has the following masters:

Network 4×3 HD

Network 4×3 HD VFX (in progress)

Network 16×9 Tilt & Scan HD VFX (partial, in progress)

Syndication 4×3 HD (in progress)

Syndication 4×3 HD VFX (in progress)”

So we should all tell CBS/Paramount that we won’t buy incomplete sets.

There’s no doubt Paramount/CBS will bring out the original version on Blu ray some day. But they’ll probably try to sell several releases of the series on Blu ray, just as the did with the DVD releases. They’ll probably tell people that the original effects are of not sufficient quality for any HD releases, only to release these versions some time later to make people buy these sets on Blu ray once again. So perhaps we’ll see the original versions on the second or third Blu ray releases.

But do we like that kind of release policy? Should we accept it? Should we make the same mistakes once again? (Remember: The first edition of TOS was on 40 DVDs and very expensive, then they released the cheaper season sets. The first DVD versions of the Star Trek movies contained just the movies and a trailer, nothing more (some didn’t even feature an anamorphic transfer). Then they released the Special/Director’s Editions on 2 DVDs each with lots of extras, also offering better picture quality. Obviously, on Blu ray they’ll try to do the same.)

So do yourselves a favor and don’t buy any Blu ray editions not containing the original versions of TOS in HD as well. You should communicate that to CBS/Paramount to make them change their minds.

So CBS/Paramount: Release the original version of the series in HD as well. These versions are of historical value. They are the originals, the ones started the whole Star Trek franchise in the first place. The original should ALWAYS be available in the same format/medium. Otherwise we’ll have the same situation as with Star Wars, where the original versions of the movies are available in inferior picture quality, only (non-anamorphic transfers based on Laserdisc masters from 1993).

Trek remastered on standard DVD is WELL worth the money.

I concur. This endeavor could/should have been WAY better than what we got. I hold true to the belief that this needs to be redone. As Jerry21 said. “The remastered episodes need some real remastering from a professional. Just an opinion.”

After digging around recently I found a very enlightening article on AICN in which John Gross, the CEO and co-founder of EdenFX, posted the official thoughts from Eden on the subject of TOS-R. What I got out of it was that the detail/quality/style of Eden’s work was not the reason they did not land the contract.

Here is the article in it’s entirety:

John Gross

“”"”"Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to clarify a few things… The excellent ship we used for Enterprise “In a Mirror Darkly” was built by Koji, but Dave Morton redid it for the “match the “Miri” footage” test. minderbender asked “how hard is it to zoom it past the camera three or four times an episod?” Well, if you want to match the original footage in such a way that folks will “think that the footage just looks more detailed now that it’s HD”, it’s not as easy as moving the E from point A to B. You need to: 1) Try to figure out what lens was used and by trial and error get the ship to line up as closely as possible with the original footage 2) Match the lighting as close as possible and that varies in every shot based on how many lights were used in the studio when they shot the model and where they were placed. This most likely wil require separate shadow ship texturing for just that shot. 3) You have to replicate the stars as close as possible (but make them look a little better) 4) and so on… Finally, as mentioned Eden FX was not Foundation Imaging. Digital Muse, and then Eden, basically split Voyager and then Enterprise episodes with Foundation (we did the even shows and they did the odd… or vice versa, I can’t remember). We hired the trek team from them when they closed years ago and then did all the Enterprise episodes. And finally, I wouldn’t judge the still from CBS Digital too harshly. Who knows what pressure they were under to provide it. It may not be finished or it may be what was approved by the PTB. Oftentimes VFX look horrible in movie trailers because they aren’t finished yet. The real test will be how well they match the original footage once the HD version airs. and CBS/Paramount may decide they want the VFX too look different, but that wasn’t what my talks with them were. ooh… and the article states that TPTB decided the quality wasn’t worth it… I don’t know if that was the case… I think they just decided to keep it in house… -John Gross ——– The opinions expressed herein DO reflect those of the management of Eden FX ——–”"”"”

Link to the article:

http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/24360#comment_1266347

If you would like to see Eden’s take on TOS-R, please click my name. The video that is referred to in the AICN and trekmovie.com article is on the following link.

http://trekmovie.com/2006/09/08/more-images-from-edenfx/

I only hope that if my company, LucidSFX wins the TNG-R contract that we can give extremely high quality CGI to the Next Generation!

Regards,
Sean Burns
CTO, LucidSFX
http://www.lucidsfx.com

Oh well, the remastered project was indeed a failure but the new enterprise does look better then the original. Although….they could have made the ship have some kind of plates on it instead as one solid piece. It didn’t have to be noticeable from a wide shot but when they did a few close ups…they could have made it more detailed.

But maybe the artists didn’t know how to do it. Bummer. All in all…it was okay.