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VegasCon 08: Two Spocks Talk Trek – Reveal New Details August 10, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Nimoy,Spoilers,ST09 Cast,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

On Sunday Zachary Quinto and Leonard Nimoy, the headliners for the official Star Trek convention in Las Vegas, really brought the house down. Appearing both individually and together, they entertained the crowd with stories as well as providing insights (and some spoilers) about the new Star Trek movie. Full details and pictures below.

 

Nimoy jazzed about Star Trek
Nimoy started off by briefing fans on the movie, and how "genuinely excited" he was about it. Regarding the move of the release to next year, he called it disappointing, but also a "vote of confidence" from Paramount that the film can compete in the summer. . Nimoy said that both he and Quinto "had seen some" of the new film and that it was "looking quite wonderful."


Nimoy stands ready

Regarding the director JJ Abrams, the actor was quite complimentary, noting

He can do the very very big stuff–ships, planets, and so forth–and and he can also very well do the personal stuff between people, and that is why I think this movie will do well. And that is why I think this movie is so special. A lot of directors can do one or the other, the big stuff or the personal stuff, he has done both in this movie.

Regarding the script written by Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman, Nimoy said:

The writing on this film is so human, so rich, and fun! A lot of humor in the movie.

Nimoy also mentioned the cast, naming many of the actors and noting that it was a "great cast" and noting specifically that the new Spock, Zachary Quinto, was a "very good actor" and that Winona Ryder was "wonderful" as Amanda, Spock’s mother.

The actor also took various questions ranging from his photography, to the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins, and he looked great and was full of energy and enthusiasm and the capacity crowd of over 3,000 fans cheered and laughed throughout. After half an hour he introduced Zachary Quinto.


Nimoy gives Quinto the hand-off

Quinto humbled to be Spock
The new Spock started off his solo segment by playing to the crowd decrying the closing of Star Trek The Experience, and telling the crowd that he just finished lunch at Quark’s. Quinto then went right into Q&A which focused mostly his past work, including So Notorious and Heroes. A lot of fan comments was about him transitioning from a villain and at one point a fan said she thought he was the "scariest villain ever" at which point he leapt off the stage and mocked going for her throat, which made her scream (loudly). Regarding the upcoming third season of Heroes, Quinto said he thought the show would have the energy that "got people on board for in the first place."   

Regarding the Star Trek movie, Quinto took a question on the computer voice and would it be Majel Roddenberry. He said he didn’t know and that there would be "different voices" and that work was likely not done yet on it as it is something done in post production. He did speculate that JJ Abrams best friend Greg Grunberg might end up doing some voice. Grunberg appears in almost all of Abrams projects, but wasn’t available to shoot his cameo during principal photography.

Quinto was also asked about how Leonard Nimoy has worked with his Spock, to which he replied:

Leonard is an incredible man. I think it one of the greatest honors about being part of this is getting to know him. From the very beginning he has been available and very encouraging and we have spent a fair amount of time just talking and getting to know each other personally and through that process it has helped me to understand this character even more. I think that characters are firmly rooted in the actors that create them, and I think that no matter how many times I play Spock, I didn’t create that character.

Quinto was asked if he had a favorite moment in the new Star Trek movie, and he joked back that it was a tricky way to "get some secrets," but he did say seriously:

There are so many moments in this movie that I think hard-core fans are just going to love. If it is done the way I think it will be done, I think hearts will be in stomachs–it is this idea of seeing these characters in a different light. I have seen some of the movie. I have seen very rough sequences that JJ showed me. The one where you first sort of see Enterprise and you first sort of see the convergence of the crew of the Enterprise is a pretty profound moment for me.

Quinto really had the crowd behind him, but at one moment a fan came to the mic who said he was a TOS "purist" and asked Quinto what he could tell him that would ‘reduce his concerns.’ Although the question got laughs from the audience, Quinto took it seriously and said the movie was "made with an awareness that we wouldn’t be here without The Original Series and the people that created it." He also said the film would honor the original but also infuse "a new sensibility and a new aesthetic" to help bring in new fans. Of course the purist wasn’t too happy with that second part, but Zach was determined saying "as a purist and some one who has been a fan for a long time, I guarantee you, you won’t be disappointed." Later Quinto was asked about learning to do the Vulcan salute and he noted that "as a leftie" it took him a while to get it down with his right hand, but he then noted:

That is an example of the way in which I am different–my Spock is a little bit different because he is a leftie and that is where his Vulcan salute is, but I pulled it off on the other side as well. Those are the things that our purist friend in the audience may have something to say about–don’t be mad at me–I just bring what I have to the table.  


Quinto answers questions for the crowd

The Spocks Talk Trek [with some spoilers]
After Quinto’s half hour, Leonard returned to the stage and both actors sat and just began chatting with each other, asking each other questions like it was their own little chat show. Nimoy started off asking about Heroes, and the character Sylar which eventually led to what was similar about Sylar and Spock, that they are both ‘conflicted’, with Quinto noting that in the film "Spock is really not in control of the line between his emotional life and his intellectual life." Quinto then asked if it was easy for Nimoy to return to the role of Spock, to which he replied:

The thing that was difficult for me was my very first day on the movie, we have this complicated and very interesting scene together. And I didn’t feel totally on my ground yet, particularly with this kind of scene. I had never played with another Spock before, it was weird.

Quinto then noted that sometimes when you shoot a film you may start off by shooting the last scene in the film, however it wasn’t clear if he was speaking generally or about the specific scene from Nimoy’s first day. They also both agreed that in the end the scene worked and feedback has been good. Regardless this is the first time they have both spoken openly about having a scene together. Later when Quinto was talking about Simon Pegg (Scotty) he noted that Nimoy actually worked with Pegg more than he did, implying that we are going to see a good amount of Scotty and the elder Spock together. The exchange with Quinto and Nimoy confirms previous reports regarding time travel (see here and here), but also confirms that while back in time, the elder Spock is interacting with his younger self and younger versions of his former ship mates.


It’s "Spock Talk with Lenny a Zach"

Regarding Pegg’s Scotty, Quinto noted

He is a pure comic genius, and to have someone so funny play such a beloved character as Scotty is really something else. I think he is going to bring a lot of life to it.

Nimoy noted that he had recently seen some footage with Pegg that he wasn’t in and said it was "hilarious." At Comic Con, Star Trek producer Damon Lindelof also spoke to TrekMovie about how funny Pegg is in Star Trek, so it appears, that like JJ Abrams did in Mission: Impossible: III, Simon Pegg picks up much of the comic relief for the film (as James Doohan, the original Scotty, often did during the TV series and feature films).

Things then moved on to Q&A and the first question was about how the movie will expand the audience for Trek and Quinto said the film will be more than just a tentpole with "explosions and spaceships" because "the heart of this movie is universal and accessible across the board" with Nimoy following up noting "it is a very human movie." Nimoy was also asked if there was anything about Zachary’s performance as Spock that he wished he had seen himself. Quinto quickly said "the answer is no," but Nimoy contradicted him saying there was a scene that he watched that "startled" him:

I saw him do something and I thought ‘whoa’ that was interesting

As they wrapped up Nimoy thanked the audience and gave a "live long and prosper" while they both offered the Vulcan salute, with Zach’s, as noted before, coming from his left hand.


Goodbye salute

Still more Vegas coverage
Although the Nimoy/Quinto event was Sunday, TrekMovie will still be doing more reports from Friday and Saturday (and Sunday). Look for wrap ups of the appearances grouped by show (TOS, DS9, ENT and VOY) as well as product coverage and more.

Comments

1. Sean4000 v8.04 "Hardy Heron" - August 11, 2008

Cool news!

2. Sean4000 v8.04 "Hardy Heron" - August 11, 2008

This lays a lot to rest. Bring the film on!

3. Sean4000 v8.04 "Hardy Heron" - August 11, 2008

I’m also glad that Zach too the purist seriously. That could help a lot of people come onboard this film. We need as many people behind this film as possible if Trek is to become the juggernaut it once was.

4. Wrath - August 11, 2008

The feedback was “goo”?

Some TOS special effects in there then I guess…!

5. LoyalStarTrekFan - August 11, 2008

Sounds good. Every time the actors talk about the film the more confidence I have in it. May 2009 should be exciting.

6. Commodore Redshirt - August 11, 2008

…This is why I’m thrilled about the new Trek film. Thanks for this post!

On some other threads there are people sayingthings like:
“Sulu looks like Kim!”,
“Pegg has the wrong hair!” or
“The sideburns are not pointed enough!”

To all that I say ENOUGH!
This new film is the best thing to happen to Trek in ages!
The people making the new movie LOVE Trek!

I must ask this:
“Will all the negative people please give it a rest?”

I wish I could have been there to see Spock 1 and Spock 2 on stage at the same time…

This new movie is gonna be good!

7. Stan Wingson - August 11, 2008

So if Old Spock meets with the young crew- will he take special note of Kirk? Old Spock lives post-ST:Generations- right? The last time we saw him was TNG:Unification, perhaps a few years before Generations. So maybe he heard about Kirk’s quick resurrection and passing at the hands of Soran? Or at least he thinks that Kirk has long been dead after the earlier events on-board the Enterprise-B in Generations? We can only imagine in Old Spock’s POV, people like Chekhov, Uhura and Sulu are also long gone. Either way, he’s seeing old friends he’s long considered dead- could be very interesting/emotional.

8. RUFFED_UP - August 11, 2008

This films going to be the best thing since Enterprise Season 3+4

9. marko - August 11, 2008

“This films going to be the best thing since Enterprise Season 3+4″

Talk about comic relief

10. Bart - August 11, 2008

The computer voice should be female! When the computer speaks it is as if the ship itself speaks. The Enterprise is referred to as ‘her’ and ‘she’.

11. Commodore Redshirt - August 11, 2008

Re # 8
“This films going to be the best thing since Enterprise Season 3+4″

L O efin’ L !

12. Iowagirl - August 11, 2008

- I think that characters are firmly rooted in the actors that create them, and I think that no matter how many times I play Spock, I didn’t create that character. –

Sounds good, Quinto. I do agree.

13. Mr Lerpa - August 11, 2008

#6 Amen Commodore, Amen.

14. Andy Patterson - August 11, 2008

Man, Nimoy’s got big hands. Long fingers. He could have been a piano player.

15. jimj - August 11, 2008

Sounds great to me! You know, I consider myself a TOS purist and I really don’t have a lot of worries about this film (except the release date). What bugs me is: “purists” who walk around and even have the gall to act like they own the franchise and how dare anyone try anything different! It especially bugs me that they have the gall to throw their garbage right into the face of the new actors who obviously are trying their very best to make this a fantastic film to energize (pun intended) the franchise. Chill out, people!

16. Stanky McFibberich - August 11, 2008

My eye doctor says I have to stop reading this stuff because if I don’t, my eyes may be permanently rolled up.

17. Daoud - August 11, 2008

Well, the true TOS purists were born before 1966, and survived the fan-driven years of 1969-1979, and were members of the official Nimoy fan club based in those days in Englewood, Ohio.

As one of those, I give a big left thumb up. For the umpteenth time… if Nimoy continues to promote the film in this manner, when he’s wealthy enough, artistic enough, and has countless other things he could do with his time… who the hell are any of us to spit in his face this “purist” crap.

Quinto is remarkable. And, at last, Roddenberry’s “last laugh” on Shatner… the character of Spock indeed is more interesting in the creation of story ideas and twists than Kirk. Whoda thunk.

18. scifib5st - August 11, 2008

One of the questions I was looking for an answer for it: How does this fit with Gene Roddenberry’s view of Star Trek? I think Mr. Nimoy answered it by saying, “with Nimoy following up noting “it is a very human movie.” ”

Now the wait begains for word on, “If you build it, they will come” Is someone going to build a new Star Trek Experiance? Where will next years summer convention be?
Alway questions.

19. Star Trek Daily Pic » Archive » Daily Pic # 176, Vegas Trek Con, 2008 - August 11, 2008

[…] Photos taken by Trekmovie.com this past weekend at the annual, big Vegas “Star Trek” convention.  Leonard Nimoy and Zachary Quinto both discuss the upcoming Trek movie and playing the Spock character.  More on this HERE. […]

20. EM - August 11, 2008

I agree whole heartedly with Daoud! There are many actors who gleefuly promote crappy movies that they know are crappy. I think that Mr. Nimoy has too much integrity to lie this often, and so far in advance of the release date.
For the hundredth time I can’t wait for this movie! And I can’t wait to all the wonderful changes in the look and feel of Trek. I can’t wait to see the character nuances of 21st century performances! I can’t wait!

21. The Underpants Monster - August 11, 2008

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Even if the rest of the movie was guaranteed to be bad, it would still be worth watching just for these two guys.

22. star trackie - August 11, 2008

#12″ – I think that characters are firmly rooted in the actors that create them, and I think that no matter how many times I play Spock, I didn’t create that character. –

Sounds good, Quinto. I do agree.

Me too Iowagirl, Quinto and I are on the same page on that issue for sure. And it’s not hard to understand the position of the purist. If I have enjoyed particular painting of my mother in my house for 40 years and you replace it with a penicil cartoon of my mother….it’s still my mother but it looks nothing like the painting I was so fond of for so many years. Now it can be a GREAT cartoon…it can make me laugh at her exaggerated nose, and I can still enjoy it. But it doesn’t take the place of the painting I’ve loved all my life.

This movie is new. Period. Some people like new clothes every winter. Some people prefer their comfy 10 year old sweater. I don’t like apple pies because of the idea that it’s a pie. I like it because it has apples in it. I hate coconut cream pie. Should I love the coconut cream pie just because it’s a pie?? Of course not.

I love TOS. I don’t like the spin offs just because they have Star Trek in the title. The spin offs bear no resemblence, what so ever, to what I like in Star Trek. The new movie,however, is bringing to the table many elements that I DO like in Star Trek (TOS). So while it will be very different, hopefully I will still be able to enjoy it, just on a different level.

23. Commodore Redshirt - August 11, 2008

Re: 16.
” My eye doctor says I have to stop reading this stuff because if I don’t, my eyes may be permanently rolled up.”

Stanky, You give me a Ha Ha !

…and watch out for pinkeye…

24. Will - August 11, 2008

Like I said, I have great hope for the acting in this movie. The actors involved are great and as a film maker, I know that just because it’s a different actor doesn’t mean it won’t be as good as/better than the original.

My only issue is the “new aesthetic” and that rumor that the bridge looks like it was designed by Apple.

What I want? I want a picture of the new actors on the new bridge which harkens back to the picture of the TOS crew on the TOS bridge. That would sell me in one fell swoop if it looked correct/had the correct feel to it.

25. Alex Rosenzweig - August 11, 2008

8 – “This films going to be the best thing since Enterprise Season 3+4″

Well, considering as this will be the first thing Paramount’s done since that previous work, I guess it’d have to be, from that point of view. ;)

OTOH, such fan episodes as “World Enough and Time” and a whole lot of the stuff coming out of Pocket Books will make it a pretty stiff challenge to make the same claim for Trek in absolute terms. Impossible? No. But maybe not easy.

26. Jack - August 11, 2008

# 8 I completely agree. Those that still bad mouth Enterprise are nuts.

season 3 and 4 of Enterprise were absolutely the best Trek in years.
Why is it that so many people cannot see that those seasons were the first time Trek returned to focusing on ‘The big three’ in the cast instead of an ensemble that was constantly forced on us in every scene.

I do understand the nightmare of Voyager. 75% of the epsiodes gave us nothing new whatsoever. Just going through rehashed stories. Enterprise was fresh looking and had excellent writing. To me the problem with Enterprise is simple to understand. Voyager was maily garbage and people were not ready to return and give Trek another chance so soon. They should have given us 18 months between the Voyager disaster and Enterprise. I believe that this would have made a big difference.

27. Corv - August 11, 2008

In the beginning of this article:
“Regarding the move of the release to next day, …”

I wish “day” would be true ;)

28. me - August 11, 2008

@26:
“Enterprise was fresh looking and had excellent writing.”

The only problem with Enterprise was that Season 1 + 2 were exactly like Voyager, so that many Trekkies didn’t give Season 3 + 4 a chance anymore. Some only recognized that especially Season 4 was brilliant years after it was canceled, because they thought it would continue like the beginning and stoped watching.

It’s a pity, Berman should have given Coto full control from the beginning on. Everyone wanted to have a Enterprise like Season 4, concerning the beginning of the Federation, the complicated relationships between the founder member and nobody wanted to see new races or a Temporal Cold War, both simply had nothing to do with a Prequel.
For Voyager they already failed to use the concept it was build on (alone, no Federation ressources, Marquis and Starfleet crewman…) and Season 1 + 2 also forgot to use the Prequel concept properly (as Season 4 did).

@#7

Did u ever look at a screenshot of Shatner in ST Generations and compared it to a screenshot of Boston Legal? Do you really think he could play Kirk on Veridian III again?
The end of Enterprise tried to show us an older Frakes and an older Sirtis playing a young Riker and a young Troi and became a disaster. Shatner as Kirk on Veridian III is a lot worse.

29. bill hiro - August 11, 2008

“To all that I say ENOUGH!
This new film is the best thing to happen to Trek in ages!
The people making the new movie LOVE Trek!”

Maybe we should wait and see the movie before declaring it the “best thing to happen to Trek in ages”. Unwarranted pre-release hype has killed bigger movies than this one.

30. cellojammer - August 11, 2008

I am very encouraged by each new bit of information that comes out. Wil it be perfect? Probably not. Will it satisfy everyone? Definitely not! But I have every confidence that every effort is being expended to make this ‘feel’ like Trek. Canon violations will probably be very minor ones that will ruin the slumber of only the most anal purists.

As for ENT? It developed into an excellent show. Minor nits aside, I can accept it as canon.

31. JonE - August 11, 2008

It’s kinda sad, but Voyager turned me off to Star Trek… DS9 had a compelling story-arc, but Voyager just left me cold. I hate to say it, but every story seemed warmed-over. The Borg, Q, Klingons… since the ship just kept moving, there wasn’t really any time to stop and develop a compelling narrative involving its surroundings. At least Enterprise was going somewhere…

But my reservation about this movie is the same as I had for Voyager and Enterprise: overreliance on time travel.

I think All Good Things… pretty much put a button on the future/past/present narrative and since then it’s been a bunch of temporal anomalies as a stand-in for good stories.

Time travel makes for a great plot device, but this temporal cold war stuff makes it seem like nothing of consequence ever happens. Someone dies: too bad, let’s bring her back in another timeline.

Anyways, sorry for the rant. I’m totally excited about the movie, and I’m thrilled about Quinto and Nimoy together.

I just hope the next movie isn’t another “baaaad guy from teh future” affair.

32. Shatner_Fan_2000 - August 11, 2008

#7 “Either way, he’s seeing old friends he’s long considered dead- could be very interesting/emotional.”

A good point. If anything could move Spock to tears, it would be that!

33. Closettrekker - August 11, 2008

#29—-I think you misunderstand…

The very fact that Paramount is showing this much interest in Trek is the best thing to happen to the franchise since the late 70’s.

Giving the film a $150-160 million treatment is a statement of confidence in itself.

The decision to make it a May release is another.

Finally, the initial Paramount review’s lack of comment about “concerns”, “potential reshoots”, or “possible work needed on the ending” is (and has every reason to be) reassuring.

You can speculate negatively all you want, but there are no signs of impending disaster to support that kind of apprehension whatsoever.

34. Dr. Image - August 11, 2008

Coto’s contributions to bettering ENT are overrated.
B&B used him as a fall guy, because they still in actuality maintained an iron grip on the show. Witness the finale.
Great photo of the Spocks.

35. TomBot2008 - August 11, 2008

♫Star Trekkin’ across the Universe! Star Trekkin’~♫ Eh. Well, I didn’t know Quinto was a lefty!!! Maybe Spock should wear a red shirt(har, har)!*Cough, cough* Forgive me!!!

36. I Am Morg Not Eymorg - August 11, 2008

22. star trackie:

Mmmmmmm, Pie! (Makes Homer Simpson gurgling noise)

37. Mike - August 11, 2008

Great job on these reports, Anthony… they make me wish I could’ve been there myself! I’m looking forward to the recaps from the rest of the con…

38. Tom - August 11, 2008

Not that it’s a bad thing, but I am surprised Nimoy did not speak about Shatner. Or that no one in the audience asked. Is it finally over..

39. Viking - August 11, 2008

I’m still trying to noodle out how a post-Nemesis Spock can go back a century and interact with his old clewmates without sending the Prime Directive to hell in a handbasket. Unless…..he goes back, but passes himself off as another Vulcan. The ol’ “We all look alike to you humans” thing.

40. TOS Purist aka The Purolator - August 11, 2008

I promise, that “TOS Purist” at the con was NOT me!! lol…

41. Closettrekker - August 11, 2008

#39—If it is to prevent the Romulans from changing the past in their favor, I don’t see the ethical dilemma. What would be the alternative. We have seen similar interference with the timeline before.
My guess is that he intends not to reveal himself, but may be forced in desperation to do so. Otherwise, he could always pass himself off as Cousin Selek!

42. Phaser...where are youuu? - August 11, 2008

I wonder how long the lines outside the theatres will be when this movie comes out? It sounds like we are in for a treat. While I love TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT, I am going to keep an open mind with the movie.

As long as there are photon torpedoes and phasers and you can’t see a green hue around the actors due to the green screening, I’ll be a happy clam. :-D

43. Hat Rick - August 11, 2008

These reports are excellent, as usual.

I hope, as well, that we will see reports on how those involved in NASA, ESA, and other space agencies might be given some role, or at least might express interest in the new movie.

Politically speaking, Senator Obama has expressed what might be deemed a reversal of his previous position on Project Constellation, as noted in my blog.

As Leonard Nimoy is the resident philosopher of Trek, perhaps one day he might be asked whether he believes that the current approach toward space exploration is likely to lead to the achievement in space depicted in Trek.

44. Natalie - August 11, 2008

Awesome!!!! I am so psyched! This movie is going to rock.

45. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - August 11, 2008

Sweet stuff!!!!! Now when are the two Kirk’s getting on stage together. THAT I gotta see

46. Wastedbeerz - August 11, 2008

I have to say that I agree with #8 on this one. Seasons 3 & 4 of Enterprise were quite good, actually the whole series was. People just wanted to hate it because it didn’t look like some ridiculous 1950’s scifi (thus coming before 1960’s TOS). Enterprise was a much better series than Voyager ever was. To me it was even on par with DS9 and TNG, at least seasons 3 & 4 anyway.

47. Wastedbeerz - August 11, 2008

Though a 1950’s scifi version of Enterprise would be interesting to say the least. They would have had to have made it just like Captain Proton!!!

48. T'Sal - August 11, 2008

..an additional note on Quinto’s stage time.

I thought it was hilarious when one of the “question askers” came to the microphone with his cell phone and Zach chides him for it. The guy says something about having his girlfriend on the phone and Quinto cheerfully says, “Oh, let me speak to her.”

He takes the phone and proceeds to have a friendly chat with the girlfriend including having the entire audience shout “hello” to her.

I was very impressed with Quinto’s “ease” with the fans. He seems to take the whole convention thing in stride, which bodes well for the future.

Thanks to trekmovie.com for the updates — I’ve enjoyed reading your take on the events.

49. joe - August 11, 2008

It’s too bad there won’t be a TNG or DS9 cameo, would love to see Riker as captain of the Titan pick up Spock on Romulus…

Or even an ‘Admiral Picard’ cameo… I think it’s interesting that they are going back to the TOS crew, but I hope at least the TNG crew gets a bone thrown their way…

50. Tom - August 11, 2008

#45
Unfortunately not happening. Originally that was what everyone expected.Yet Bob Orci has never said he is not in the movie. Maybe he did write something. He may not be in the movie but maybe it was written. Still have to like what has been said so far

51. British Naval Dude - August 11, 2008

Two Spocks walk inta’ a bar…

Bartender says “What ye’ gents be havin’?”
First Spock say “He can do the very very big stuff.”
Second Spock say “That is an example of the way in which I am different.”
Bartender asks both, “Can I see some ID, gents?”
Spocks both show identical IDs with identical ages on them. Bartender says “Is this some kind of a joke! Get tha’ hell outta me bar!”
First Spock says “I’m too old for this shite.”

fine… YOU come up wit’ a better “2 Spocks” joke, mates…

Arrrrrr…

52. Iowagirl - August 11, 2008

#45

Las Vegas 2009; you can bet your bottom dollar – THAT I gotta see, too! :)

And I gotta see Shatner and Nimoy together on stage doing their Matthau/Lemmon thing! 2009 sounds good. :)

53. D. McCoy - August 11, 2008

Yes, we need to not get overly excited one way or the other. There just has not been enough information to warrant love or hate for the film.

Even if they get all the uniforms, sets, equipment and, the most important, the Enterprise right, I still wonder if I will accept new people in these roles. This is not exactly like a new Bond or Batman.

Still, we have to wait and see how it all meshes before we come to that conclusion. Until that time…SHOW US THE ENTERPRISE(s).

54. Orb of the Emissary - August 11, 2008

#49- or even an ENT cameo- T’Pol and /or Phlox could theoretically be alive still by TOS.

55. CmdrR - August 11, 2008

Southpaws rule!

56. The Underpants Monster - August 11, 2008

#51

Two Spocks walk into a bar. One of them says, “Give me a Romulan ale.” The second one says, “Make that a double.”

57. Tom - August 11, 2008

52 Iowagirl

I thought you meant a convention appearance to discuss the movie. Too bad Shat is sitting this out.

58. Thomas - August 11, 2008

38. If no one in the audience asked, Nimoy may not be inclined to bring the Shatner issue up. It would have just stirred everyone’s feelings up again, especially since it seems the fans as a whole have basically resigned themselves to Shatner’s non-inclusion.

59. British Naval Dude - August 11, 2008

56
Thar’ ye’ go…

Anyone else?

60. Tom - August 11, 2008

58 Thomas

You are right. I guess that is what I sense. It seems the resignation has finally set in.

61. Iowagirl - August 11, 2008

#57

Tom, I agree it’s a shame that the Shat isn’t going in for this one.

And yes, I’d be interested in hearing and seeing them all together discussing the movie on one of the big conventions – only that I think it will happen in 2009 when the Big Surprise will have been revealed…:)

62. British Naval Dude - August 11, 2008

61
Tha’ Big Surprize that in 2009 movie cinemas will be usin’ laxatives as tha’ base fur their “no trans-fat” poppin’-corn butter? Arrrrr…

63. Iowagirl - August 11, 2008

#62

Hey, it was supposed to be a SURPRISE! You spoiled it – now we must settle with the Shat being in XI…:D

64. ZenMartian - August 11, 2008

Just a thought, folks… Is it just Me, or is there anyone else wondering if there might be some scenes with a robot (or robots) in this new Star Trek movie? TNG gave us DATA… I could really dig seeing a robot as a nod to androids. Anyone else in agreement?

65. Anthony Thompson - August 11, 2008

All my predictions of The Shat being in the movie have come to naught. har-har. : ) But IowaGirl is still a True Believer, I see. : )

66. ByGeorge - August 11, 2008

I think its a good sign that some of those involved in this movie were not huge ST fans before they started on this movie. I don’t think Quinto or Abrams were nuts about Trek before, more casual Trek fans. But now that they have been better exposed to the characters, lore, and mission of TOS they seem to have fallen in love with it as much as many of us have.

67. CanuckLou - August 11, 2008

Fascinating that Nimoy has more scenes with Pegg. Could it be that Scotty is helping Spock fix his time ship? A nice reversal from The Motion Picture when Spock came to Scotty’s aid!

…the adventure continues…

68. Beam Me Up - August 11, 2008

Will Quinto’s Spock be wearing that awesome hat in the movie.

69. SChaos1701 - August 11, 2008

#68….We can only hope.

70. krikzil - August 11, 2008

Great coverage and photos as usual Anthony. I feel like I was there. Oh wait — I was. :) But it was fun reliving the moment. I enjoyed them even more than at the Grand Slam earlier this year. Quinto was even more relaxed this time around.

>>He takes the phone and proceeds to have a friendly chat with the girlfriend including having the entire audience shout “hello” to her.

You forgot what the guy said later — thanking Quinto cause “tonight he was gonna get lucky!!”

71. Smike van Dyke - August 11, 2008

@53: Well, I think it is indeed like casting a new Batman or Bond! I used to think otherwise. But that was before the end of ENT, before I realized Trek was nothing more but a franchise like all the others – maybe better, maybe more interesting taht most of the others – but the same rules apply!

They chose to take the spin-off road in 1987. That came to an end in 2005. Now they’ve done the remake / reimagining / revamp / retcon like in so many other franchises. Bond and Batman have already succeeded, so could Trek. Or it could fail.

But it is just like all the other franchises. No matter what it may mean to the hardcore fanbase…it has to survive within the framework of the market. And remakes seem to work better than spin offs or sequels these days…

72. c0mBaTkArL - August 11, 2008

The new posters are up at the official site…this is my last attempt at posting this! lol…I can’t seem to get the messages to appear after posting . Hope I haven’t spammed the board, apologies if I have.

73. starfleetmom - August 11, 2008

Dude! That was me that asked about the computer voice! I actually asked Majel about it 2 years ago and again last week at the Roddenberry booth, and she said it was still possible for her to do it. HOWEVER, I got the feeling that she isn’t playing with all 52 cards…..

At the autograph table I told Quinto that I was very doubtful of “Sylar” playing Spock…then I saw the poster at Comic Con and I could see the “look” was rilght, but after hearing him and meeting him (what a nice guy!) I think he will be great. Zachary Quinto is definately NOT Sylar!

74. Beam Me Up - August 11, 2008

I’m sure Quinto was thrilled that you doubted him.

75. chasco - August 11, 2008

“Simon Pegg picks up much of the comic relief for the film (as James Doohan, the original Scotty, often did during the TV series ~”

Except… the original Scotty was NOT there to be the comic relief. Yes of course he had funny moments and humorous lines – they all did, that was part of the series’ charm. But “hilarious”? Oh dear.
This would be the same Scotty who risked his career to not lower the screens as ordered in ‘A Taste of Armageddon'; had numerous tough calls to make when left in command (eg in ‘Fridays Child’ and ‘Enterprise Incident’); and who was a genius engineer who was passionate about his ship, his engines and his friends?

Yeah. Right. Hilarious.

76. cellojammer - August 11, 2008

75. Scotty was a multifaceted character, and some of his more endearing moments were comedic ones.

“It’s green!”

“They called the Enterprise a garbage scow!”

“Let’s go see!”

“I know this ship like the back of my hand…”

OK, well maybe not that last one.

77. Chasco - August 12, 2008

76 I totally agree. That’s why it’s so depressing to see him labelled as “the comic relief.”

78. The Underpants Monster - August 12, 2008

It’s good that Nimoy and Quinto get on so well, because there’s nothing worse than a pair of mismate Spocks.

79. SirBroiler - August 12, 2008

The big problems with Enterprise….on top of what everyone has mentioned here….

1. The ship was called Enterprise – no one wanted to believe that there was an E before the TOS E – and it just threw people off.

2. Also, that theme song. What a piss-poor way to open the show each week. I wanted to puke every time I heard it. The opening to the mirror episodes – that’s the approach they should have taken.

3. Vulcan on the bridge! They tried way too hard to bring back the Kirk/Spock relationship with Archer/T’Pol. But DAAAAAMMMMMMMNNN was she fun to look at.

Gotta admit though, I like Enterprise for what it was and continue to enjoy watching the reruns – especially season 3-4.

80. British Naval Dude - August 12, 2008

I usually have on a pair o’ mismatched Spocks…

wait a tic…

Ye’ mean like some emotionless gent rearing yer children?

Arrrrr…

Lay off “Faith o’ tha’ Heart”… I keep it on continuous play at home… keeps tha’ rats away… (I do have it on a CD)…

Oh, wait… back on topic… “I’m Leonard Nimoy and I approve this casting.”

81. Closettrekker - August 12, 2008

#75, #77—” …the original Scotty was NOT there to be the comic relief.

(Aye….and if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a wagon.)

That was not his sole purpose, no. But Scotty was always capable of being humorous. There is no reason to be “depressed” over the notion that his may be the funniest character in STXI. I love a good Mr. Scott-humor moment.

He stole the show in one of Trek’s most beloved episodes, and often had a good quip or two to rival even McCoy. I much prefer Scotty’s brand of humor to Checkov’s…

82. JamfoFL - August 12, 2008

#76 – Let’s not forget…

“Up your shaft…”

“I beamed them into the engine room where they’d be no tribble at all.”

“If my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a wagon.”

After drinking a shot in “Spectre of the Gun:”
SCOTTY: It’s to kill the pain.
SPOCK: But this is painless.
SCOTTY: Well, you should have warned me sooner.

With Kirk in Star Trek III:
SCOTTY: Eight weeks sir. But you don’t have eight weeks, so I’ll do it for you in two.
KIRK: Do you always multiply your repair estimates by a factor of four?
SCOTTY: Aye, sir. How else to maintain my reputation as a miracle worker.
(And of course, the similar exchange with Geordi in the ST:TNG episode “Relics.”)

Wanting to know if Dr. McCoy’s Theregan derivative (from “The Tholian Web”) would make a good mixer with Scotch.

The entire exchange with the “primitive” computer in Star Trek IV.

Yes, Scotty was a great engineer and an excellent bridge commander when needed, but he was also a hard-drinking, fun-loving pub crawler (remember his “wee bout” with “shore leave”) who provided many of Star Trek’s laugh-out-loud moments.

There is absolutely NO reason that his character cannot be the same in the new movie. Brilliant, but with a rollicking sense of humor. Now THAT is a fitting tribute to Scotty.

83. British Naval Dude - August 12, 2008

Sean Connery, given a “Beatles” wig ta’ appear younger, talked ta’ tha’ BBC aboot his screen test fur tha’ new Trek film:

“Aye, I wuz gunna be Scotty alright. Even comin’ out of my retiremnet to do so. But I don’t understand all these daft blinking lights and this spaceship shaped like a toilet bowl. However, I thought through Scotty I could endorse my concern for a free Scotland by playing a free Scot in the future. Come on lads and lasses, let’s quit EDITED about and go EDITED EDITED or I’ll EDITED down your throat after I rip off your EDITED EDITED EDITED. Oh, I’m quite sure Mr. Pig will be a fine Scotsman in the film. He’s the immortal one, right?”

84. Cervantes (I'd STILL have preferred Gerald Butler-like Scot for this role....) - August 12, 2008

Simon’s already half-way to being hilarious in this movie anyway, with that ‘hairline’….

85. Cervantes - August 12, 2008

or a GERARD Butler-like Scot even!

86. Lou - August 12, 2008

ROFL!!!! I misread part of that… when you said, “Nimoy jazzed about Trek” I misread the A in jazzed and for a fraction of a second, thought it was an I. :/ lol oops :P

87. starfleetmom - August 12, 2008

#74 I wasn’t the only one! And the lady on the microphone that he attacked sure got a thrill from Sylar!

>>I’m sure Quinto was thrilled that you doubted him.<<

88. Vedek Anon Wymus - August 12, 2008

# 86 – Yes, but ‘Vulcin jazz’ only plays a tune only once every seven years.

Two Spocks walk into a bar. The first one says “Fascinating”, and the other raises an eyebrow.

Bartender says, “What’ll y’have.” Both reply simultaneously, “A Warp Core Breach.”

Bartender raises an eyebrow, and replies “Fascinating!”

— You know, Vulcan humor is like trying to get Data to laugh; it takes an omnipotent being to make it work! —

89. Notbob - August 12, 2008

I am a skeptic when things like this come along, but I really hope that it turns out to be a great movie.

It’s just that for every little bit of good news, there’s something that comes along and bugs me. This causes me to have flashbacks to the Lost in Space movie.

The words “comedic timing,” and “humor” and “funny,” keep coming up. I know that Star Trek had it’s funny moments, but I don’t recall full out comedy. There was usually a humorous moment attempted at the end of each show-usually between Spock and Bones with Kirk in the middle. But it wasn’t full out comedy. Star Trek IV was, in my opinion, a comedy. It didn’t feel Star Trek like to me. It could have been a comedy/sci-fi action film.

I am not a purist. I say it’s great that they will use new tech for special fx. I don’t mind that they will update uniforms slightly so they don’t look so 1960’s. But the comedy……don’t overdo it man.

I hope this film is aother rare case to prove my skepticism wrong–much like the new Battlestar Galactica has done. But I have seen too many Lost In Space attempts. Maybe it’s a case of trying to please too many folks and have a new fan base.

90. 7 of 5 - August 12, 2008

I always take Nimoy with a grain of salt. He swore up and down at a convention that ‘The Good Son’ , which he directed, was a very accessible, human and good piece of work.

It was a piece of something all right- which I began to realize right after he showed the attendees a clip from it. I went to see it anyway at the theater, but it was unaccesible and interminable and downright paiful to watch.

Bad movie poorly made. I’d read that unless the kid from the Home Alone movies hadn’t been interested it would never have been made. the movie existed mostly to try to cash in on Macaulay Culkin’s newfound fleeting stardom.

In ‘Three Men and a Baby’ everyone complained about how the boom mic kept getting into the shot and how this was the directors’s fault. It wasn’t Nimoy’s fault. As I understood that
fiasco, the boom mic is almost always in the master shot. That was an error in the editing of the film, some of which occurs after the director surrenders his ‘first print’ to the studio honchos for final editing. First edits always have massive technical mistakes.

Nimoy is quite capable of making a bad judgment and then glossing it over.

91. Closettrekker - August 12, 2008

#89—-I found James Doohan’s delivery of Scotty’s comedic moments to be a wonderful aspect of TOS and the TOS-era film series (excluding the STV farce). I expect Pegg’s Scotty rendition to be similar. It doesn’t bother me in the least to hear that Pegg will be funny in this film.

92. British Naval Dude - August 12, 2008

90
I don’t think Nimoy directed Tha’ Good Son… can always check though… maybe yer thinkin’ o’ another o’ his films ta’ make yer point…

He did have that one bad call wherein he thought tha’ Loch Ness Beastie wuz in tha’ Jersey sewers…

I imagine he would have good judgement concernin’ Spockie… his ST films were spot on…

Arrrrrr…

93. Spockanella - August 12, 2008

90: Leonard Nimoy directed “The Good Mother”, which had nothing at all to do with Macauley Culkin. It was a Diane Keaton movie.

“The Good Son” may very well indeed have been a bad movie (I never watched it), but it wasn’t Nimoy’s doing.

94. M-5 - August 12, 2008

scifib5st – August 11, 2008

“Now the wait begains for word on, “If you build it, they will come” Is someone going to build a new Star Trek Experiance? Where will next years summer convention be?
Alway questions.”

In answer to part of your question, the convention itself will continue to be held in Vegas. Star Trek: The Experience really is not attached to the convention. So even though it will be gone from the Hilton, which received it’s fair share of jeers and boo’s from convention goer’s this past weekend, the convention will still go on there.

Regarding Zach, he was absolutely great and when a fan asked about other Star Trek castmates doing the convention thing, he mentioned that it will happen eventually after the release of the new film. He even mentioned that he tried to get Chris Pine to come with him to Vegas for this years con, but Pine had another previous engagement. Perhaps next year.

I was a little disappointed that a new trailer was not made available, but overall, it did not take away from the experience.

95. David West - August 12, 2008

Creation Entertainment has the contract with the Hilton for at least one more year, so the convention will be held there next year.

Honestly, this movie is going to mean a whole lot of things for the future of the franchise. One thing not mentioned is Zac said the actors are contracted for three movies, but whether the next two movies are made will be up to the sales of the May movie.

After these, if the franchise shows its strength returning, CBS/Paramount would be hard pressed not to have a new series on television. Adding to that possibility will be the success or failure of the Star Trek Online MMO, which is being set 30 years in the future from Nemesis. If it proves popular as well, we may see another 70 year jump restart like Next Generation was.

96. krikzil - August 12, 2008

It’s going to be so weird next year going to the con without The Experience being there. I will have to avert my eyes as I pass by its space.

Nice articles about The Experience closing:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/26826019.html

http://www.lvrj.com/news/26861469.html

How sad will that ceremony be? I’m thinking of driving back for the end.

97. Closettrekker - August 12, 2008

#95—I hope we don’t see another series set so far outside the TOS-era. I would rather see a series cover lost time, like the 5 years between TFF and TUC (prior to the Enterprise-A’s decommissioning), the Excelsior voyages after its 3 years of charting gaseous anomalies, or the adventures of the Enterprise-B under a better Captain Harriman.

I’m thinking potential sequels to STXI should cover the end of the 5 year mission and the 7.5 years between TMP and TWOK.

There is plenty of room for introducing new characters without– once again– straying too far from the more romantic 23rd Century and its iconic major figures.

98. The Underpants Monster - August 13, 2008

Scotty talking into the computer mouse like a microphone in STIV slays me every time. “Helloooo, computer!”

99. Closettrekker - August 13, 2008

#98—-Yes indeed.

“Dr. Nichols, I find it hard to believe that I’ve come millions of miles—–(as McCoy interjects “thousands, thousands!”)—-thousands of miles, only to find….”

“How do we know he didna invent the thing?”

100. HisDivineAssassin - August 13, 2008

Wow Anthony, that was one of your best articles ever, on Vegas Con, and the new Star Trek film. Awesome!! I felt like I was there. They both seemed to gell so well, its scary.

101. krikzil - August 14, 2008

Closettrekker — Now I’m gonna have to get out my DVDs and watch STIV this weekend!

102. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

#101—-Never anything wrong with that!

103. mada101 - August 14, 2008

I think we can all agree — even me, Mr Negativity — that Quinto is going to nail Spock. Even though we have no evidence at all as to his performance, he just seems right somehow…

#97. Closettrekker – August 12, 2008

I don’t think we’ll ever get any films ‘filling in’ gaps in the Trek timeline. As the new film(s) are aiming at a fresh audience (and are kind-of-but-not-as-much-as-BSG rebooting the franchise), it would be rather unwise for Paramount to do a story set, say, between TMP and TWoK when their target viewers won’t have seen either of those (hence won’t care and won’t understand any references) and the Trekkies (like me) will be complaining why they’ve re-designed the Enterprise again and why no-one is wearing those 1970s ‘pajama’ Starfleet uniforms.

On the plus side, if they did they could get Matt Damon to play Rear Admiral Kirk (my favourite actor choise).

104. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

#103—-Actually (and assuming any changes in the timeline do not “rebbot” the entire 5 year mission), I think those gaps are the logical point for potential sequels (already being discussed, but not yet greenlit until the success of STXI can be adequately gauged) to take place. That is something I actually discussed with Bob Orci on this forum (although he was understandable evasive on any potential details of a future script).
I don’t see how it would be unwise, when the stated aim is to attract new audiences while, at the same time, make a film that established fans will appreciate as well. Mr. Orci told me that anything (in STXI) which appears to violate canon will have a canon explanation. Therefore, if canon will not be ignored, the logical timeframe for sequels is obviously (if not additional adventures within the 5 year mission) within those gaps (TMP-TWOK, and TFF-TUC).
However, I think I was actually talking about a potential return to television in the post to which you replied.

In any case, I was not attempting to judge the probability of such a production. It is just something that I would much rather see than another series set even further in the future. None of it matters at all unless people turn out to see STXI in droves.

105. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

Oh, by the way, apparently the word “reboot” has been changed to “rebbot”…

106. Jamie - August 14, 2008

I have to say, even if this film isn’t as amazing as the cast are suggesting it will be — I still think this will be a really great film. Even if the purists hate it, I’m sure this film will be one of the biggest and best Trek films ever made.

It certainly could have been a lot worse. It could easily have been that the first Star Trek reboot film was just a money-making exercise by people who don’t give a toss about Trek history and just wanted to reinvent everything and make a “cool” “sexy” movie about massive ships getting blown up in space.

We should be really thankful that everyone involved in this movie has been so committed to getting it right and re-capture the appeal of the original (even if they don’t succeed). The creators have actually read studies on what made TOS so popular. They’re paying serious respect to the original. It could have been so much worse than this!

We’re actually getting the original costumes (more or less). I mean, who thought we’d ever see those costumes on the big screen? And it will feature a reworking of the original theme tune.

It really doesn’t get much better than this for fans of a TV show made 40 years ago.

107. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

#106—Well put. Even what is arguably the best of the Trek movies (TWOK) had a writer, producer, and director who were not even Star Trek fans. On this project, every member of the self-proclaimed “Supreme Court” is a fan to some degree.
This undoubtedly the biggest effort we could have realisically hoped for.

108. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

I’m having some typing issues today….realisically?

109. mada101 - August 15, 2008

#104. Closettrekker – August 14, 2008

Well, yes, if the film gives a reason as to the re-imagined look of TOS (I do actually believe that Orci and…the other guy have produced a script that will fit into canon: Bob is the only one on the team who I think is actually a Trekkie, but I’m not convinced that Abrams and the others are as concerned about continuity…we will see…) then, of course, there are possibilities of exploring the rest of the timeline. But I do think that it is more likely any future films or series’ will be based upon this new vision of Trek. Personally I would love to see a new series set further in the future. It would make it soooo much easier on the production team because they need not be concerned so much with canon (there wouldn’t need to be references and connections to the past 40 years of history — the team could do what they wanted with the Trekverse and not worry about stepping on the toes of any fans, and hopefully bring in many new ones who don’t want to know about all the other shows). If they ever did stuff in gaps between, as you say, TMP and TWoK or TFF and TUC, they have to stick closely to what we already know. They would have to use the old 1970s/80s costumes and sets, and be careful about what they do with the universe (that is assuming they don’t just re-imagine it all, which would seem rather pointless if they were deliberately setting it in a pre-established timeframe of the fictional universe).

#106. Jamie – August 14, 2008

I have to agree that, regardless of what annoying canon purists like me say, this movie is not likely to flop and, continuity aside, I can’t see it being awful. I think the worst that could happen is that it turns out to be Trek In Name Only, and we get some kind of Star Wars-come-Battlestar Galactica wannabe (and I don’t mean in visuals: we already know that this isn’t going to feel like TOS that way).

It is too early to say how close we are getting to the original costumes, though. Although we know they have the same basic layout, we’ve been told that there are differences with the rank insignia and the lack of any assignment patch (no ship patches in Abrams TOS!). The differences could be totally minor, or they could be as different as ‘The Cage’ uniforms were to the regular TOS ones.

110. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#109—-Actually, Orci, Kurtzman, Lindelof and Burk are all fans. Only Abrams was lukewarm about Trek. Lindelof even created a LOST episode which he called a tribute to his favorite episode (TNG, “All Good Things…”).

I don’t want to see any more Trek set further in the future simply because I never liked any of the 24th Century Trek (at least as Trek. I was able to appreciate DS9 to some degree on its own) enough to pay to see its films. The only Star Trek I ever found to be feature film worthy was that set in the TOS-era, and the last Star Trek movie I paid any money to see was TUC.
If this were another TNG-era film, or worse—something set even further away from the romantic TOS-era, I would not be here discussing it or looking for news about it. I certainly would not be excited about paying good money to bring my entire family to see it on opening night. But that’s just me.

111. mada101 - August 15, 2008

#110. Closettrekker – August 15, 2008

Well, the advantage of setting a series further ahead in the timeline (I’m talking a lot further ahead) is that you can make it what you want.

Speaking of TOS being a more ‘romantic’ era, I don’t get that vibe from this movie. At least going by the trailer and the posters and the spy photos, it looks all dark and gritty like nBSG (and pretty much most sci-fi nowadays). I’d have preferred a more retro, pulpy ‘Amazing Stories’ look. But that’s just me :)

112. Closettrekker - August 16, 2008

#111—“Well, the advantage of setting a series further ahead in the timeline (I’m talking a lot further ahead) is that you can make it what you want.”

That may be true, but I think that Paramount recognizes that Star Trek was never as popular as it was during the heyday of the TOS-era film series, and they are smart to utilize its most iconic characters. No characters created in a spinoff Trek series have been able to achieve the cultural icon status of Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Scotty, and it doesn’t take a genius over at Paramount to realize that investing $168 million in a Star Trek film that isn’t bringing the first string to the game is awfully risky.

113. captain_neill - August 16, 2008

did I meet any of you at con?

114. Shi Don Yu - September 28, 2008

That photo of Nimoy and Quinto shaking hands, in an almost “high five”, just gave me the feeling that “the torch has been passed!”
If Leonard Nimoy gives his blessings on this film, then I have all the confidence in the world that this is canon!

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