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Collins Confirms Star Trek Villain Details August 14, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Spoilers,ST09 Cast , trackback

Clifton Collins Jr., who plays General Ayel, the right hand to Eric Bana’s Nero in the new Star Trek has finally come clean and said on the record what we have all been talking about for months. In a new brief interview with E!, one of Star Trek’s new bad guys spills some beans [spoilers spoilers] .

 

 

Talking Romulan
Confirming Trekmovie’s Star Trek Villain Spoilers article, Collins tells E!’ Marc Malkin:

Me and Eric are the new Romulans, they had a linguist come in and invent Romulan!

Although there have been a few phrases of Romulan spoken and seen in past Trek, primarily TNG (see Memory Alpha article on the Romulan Language), it has not been as realized as Vulcan or especially Klingon. Bringing on a linguist is nothing new for Trek, Marc Okrand (author of the Klingon Dictionary) was brought on to most of the TOS era films (and as recently as the fourth season of Star Trek Enterprise) to help actors with Vulcan and Klingon.

Clifton Collins = Johnny Depp?
In the past Collins has described he and Bana’s characters as "real bad dudes," and now is spilling more:

Collins said his and Bana’s Romulan look could have been somewhat inspired by Pirates of the Caribbean. “We’re space pirates,” Collins explained. “Think of Johnny Depp as a Romulan.”

Surprise cameo?
More from Collins on Star Trek, including comments on possible cameos, at at E!


Collins February 4 (during the Star Trek shoot) at Hollywood Party

 

Comments

1. Harry Ballz - August 14, 2008

“Think of Johhny Depp as a Romulan?”

I got a bad feeling about this…

2. Eric Cheung - August 14, 2008

Very interesting. I wonder if he means anything beyond that these are independently working Romulans by calling them pirates. By “think Johnny Depp” does he mean that there’ll be a charming likability and eccentricity to these villians, or just that they don’t believe in rules and stuff?

I wonder how much of previous phrases they’ve incorporated into this version of Romulan (like when they incorporated Doohan’s sounds in Star Trek III).

3. Fwise3 - August 14, 2008

niifty

4. Televixen - August 14, 2008

I don’t think any of this is a bad thing. By Johnny Depp I am sure he’s not talking about the Jack Sparrow-type goofy pirate. It’s probably more about lawlessness and the carisma these characters are going to have. Depp always makes his villains dynamic and interesting.

5. British Naval Dude - August 14, 2008

BND raises his mast… avast ye’… time ta’ ravage Enterprize!!!!! Savage her sexless and take off wit’ tha’ di-lithium!
Yo-ho-ho! And a bottle o’ rum! Hoist tha’ main sail cuz here I come! Ain’t no room on board fur tha’ insincere! Yer me witness, I’m yer mutineer!!!!

A great big ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

6. British Naval Dude - August 14, 2008

Best bloody news yet!

Arrrrrrr….

7. Harry Ballz - August 14, 2008

Does this mean the movie will be ARRRRRRRRR-rated?

8. Beam Me Up - August 14, 2008

Why is the Romulan Ale gone?

9. rob - August 14, 2008

well in that case, would the makers mind if i just got a piratted version of the film, instead of paying to see it??

10. That One Guy - August 14, 2008

8,

Because it is a vile drink that turns even the most respectable men into complete scoundrels!

11. Beck - August 14, 2008

8. “Why is the Romulan Ale gone?”

8D

12. jr - August 14, 2008

I still don’t see any points on those ears!

13. Sean - August 14, 2008

Johnny Depp? Will we see drunk Romulans? I see lots of Romulan Ale in this movie…

LOL @ #7 I didn’t think anyone would bring out that oldie.

14. Papa Jim - August 14, 2008

This is the guy who said Star Trek was lame.
I agree with #1.

I have a bad feeling about this

15. mojonaut - August 14, 2008

Why would someone being compared to Johnny Depp make anyone uncomfortable? Depp is easily one of the finest actors doing the rounds today. He can be both mainstream, and underground. He can do Raul Duke, JM Barrie, Edward Scissorhands, and then back to Jack Sparrow. He’s so versatile that comparing anyone to Depp is like saying “we’re going to kick ass at everything”.

16. Lou - August 14, 2008

Romulan pirates, eh? not a bad idea. Renegades much like the Klingons in Star Trek 3.

17. Green-Blooded-Bastard - August 14, 2008

I don’t want to hear space-pirates and Star Trek in the same sentence, EVER!

18. blake powers - August 14, 2008

I agree with harry ballz on this one………. Wait…… That sounds awful.

19. Lou - August 14, 2008

I think it’s just a bizarre analogy. nothing more.

20. OneBuckFilms - August 14, 2008

It makes sense that the Romulans in this film would be operating beyond orders.

It makes them more dangerous and unpredictable.

21. CCBeck - August 14, 2008

The article says that he says the look is inspired…which I would take to mean .they are rag tag and eclectic in their appearance…He said very little about characterization..the article says the look..which was followed by the term space pirates and Johnny Depp..it sounds like he is trying to convey the idea of what their overall appreance will be and give a frame of reference for context.

22. Romulan Tal-Shiarrrrrrrr Dude - TOG - August 14, 2008

If we gunna be a-seein’ Rommies drunk, I demand that I be one of ‘em. No one can get more drunk than a lon’ly lad on a ship.

Arrrrrrrr…..

I’m sorry, BND, I have not yet mastered your style yet. It’s harder than it looks.

23. barrydancer - August 14, 2008

Not mentioned above is this other tidbit from the article.

“And get ready for some surprise appearances in the movie. “There is, but I better not say,” Collins said of possible big-star cameos. “There are certain things that as kids growing up, whether it’s Star Trek or other shows at the time, all you got to do is really just hear their voice and your heart warms.”

Asked if he was referring to characters and actors from the original television series, Collins simply smiled and said, “Maybe.”

24. Decker's Stubble - August 14, 2008

We pillage, we plunder, we rifle and loot.
Drink up me ‘earties, Yo Ho!
We kidnap and ravage and don’t give a hoot.
Drink up me ‘earties, Yo Ho!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate’s life for me.

iWe extort, we pilfer, we filch and sack.
Drink up me ‘earties, Yo Ho!
Maraud and embezzle and even hijack.
Drink up me ‘earties, Yo Ho!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate’s life for me.
Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate’s life for me.

We kindle and char, inflame and ignite.
Drink up me ‘earties, Yo Ho!
We burn up the city, we’re really a fright.
Drink up me ‘earties, Yo Ho!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate’s life for me.

We’re rascals, scoundrels, villans and knaves.
Drink up me ‘earties, Yo Ho!
We’re devils and black sheep, really bad eggs!
Drink up me ‘earties, Yo Ho!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate’s life for me.

We’re beggars and blighters and ne’er-do-well cads.
Drink up me ‘earties, Yo Ho!
Aye! But we’re loved by our mommies and dads!
Drink up me ‘earties, Yo Ho!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho! A pirate’s life for me.

25. Elrond L - August 14, 2008

Sounds great to me, and it makes sense considering that the Romulans and Federation were talking peace at the end of ‘Nemesis.’

7: Harry, nice Squidward reference! :-)

26. Nathan Harvey - August 14, 2008

Its hard to see how these the original romulans match up with these new pirate romulans, originally they were very imperialistic and seemed to be based on the romulans, how these two romulans fit together will be interesting too see i hope

27. Elrond L - August 14, 2008

23: Glad you added that item — I was about to copy & paste myself. THAT is quite the juicy detail!

28. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - August 14, 2008

Aren’t the klingons supposed to be the space pirates?? Or the Orions??

Not very encouraging news from a guy who looks like anything but a bad dude

29. Pat Payne - August 14, 2008

“Asked if he was referring to characters and actors from the original television series, Collins simply smiled and said, “Maybe.””

OK, you know you WANT to.. Let the Shat-watch commence again ;)

30. Chaya - August 14, 2008

I think the romulan costumes resemble pirates

31. SPB - August 14, 2008

#17 -

Weren’t the Orions essentially supposed to be space pirates?

32. Eric Cheung - August 14, 2008

26. Well, I assume these pirates don’t have anything to do with the imperialist Romulans of any previous Trek, which is an interesting choice. If these Romulans are from the 24th Century (has that been confirmed?) then it seemed like the general Romulan government was working towards becoming a UFP ally. Perhaps these “pirate” Romulans simply don’t like the sea change (no pun intended) in galactic politics and travel back to the 23rd Century to do something about it.

Sounds cool to me. Although this may mean we still don’t get a movie that features Romulans as we know them. Perhaps TPTB think that cunning and devious but polite and civilized spies are too dry for Trek on the big screen?

33. capt Mike - August 14, 2008

ARRRRRRRRRR isn’t romulan ale Illigal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. ARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! Who Carees.Will Damn the torpedoes on there Enterprise and Kill The swine Kirk And take All of her secretes and All the ALe I can!!!!!!!!. ARRRRRRRRRRR. OK. Im no pirate and I can’t talk like one. But at least give me a half a point for even trying.

34. 7 of 5 - August 14, 2008

Every so often, something like this leaks out and it scares me spitless.
If Abrams wanted Johnny Depp, he should have simply gone out and signed him. I’d bet Depp wouldn’t be averse to doing a Trek. Probably would have been a little more expensive than Bana & Collins put together, but the marquee value would have been incredible.
Some of you may be old enough to remember what the producers did to get the original ‘Superman’ made. It was floundering because they couldn’t agree who would play Big Blue. Paul Newman? Robert Redford? Ahhhnold and Stallone were even considered. Then they signed Marlon Brando for two weeks’ work at an unholy salary to play Jor-El and then signed Gene Hackman to play Luthor for about the same amount for 2 movies. Instant credibility and bankability. Then they cast pretty much unknown actors for everyone else.
Star Trek 11 started out with Nimoy, who gave them an air of credibility insofar as to reassuring us it would still be recognizable as Star Trek, but signed no one to give them that big bankability like the name Johnny Depp as Nemo would have. If they are truly playing to that rogue image for their villains, why not go first class and take a shot at the maestro, Johnny Depp?
Or did they and I am just ignorant of it?

35. capt Mike - August 14, 2008

Ok. # 24. That was fantastic and I loved it. Ok. Any one for scoty and a romulan pirate getting into a sword fight. You know that would be so Kool.ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR

36. Beam Me Up - August 14, 2008

I wonder if his dad is Keith Richards!

37. JB - August 14, 2008

According to the original Romulan episode, “Balance of Terror,” Humans and Romulans had never met face-to-face before the events in that story. Do we know how that point factors into this movie, if at all? Could that have something to do with why Bana’s ear looks so mangled in the poster? I’m not one to get all worked up over what is and isn’t canon, but it would feel a bit weird to see a young Kirk & crew square off against Romulans that they supposedly see for the first time several years later. Or is the whole thing supposed to be some alternate timeline? And if it is, isn’t that an awful lot to explain to a mainstream audience that’s new to Trek? Anyone out there got this figured out yet?

38. Trek Dude - August 14, 2008

@31:

I never understood why all the races have to resemble some sort of stereotype. I mean it’s very well possible that there is a lot of diversity among them. Personally I do like the idea a lot to get to see different kinds of factions among the Romulans. I’d say it’s about time that it happens, because in my opinion it’s just natural.

39. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

#28—-I think it makes perfect sense. This is a rogue faction within the RSE which is unhappy with the changes in the political climate on Romulus, which is of course being facilitated by the influence of Spock (who was last seen on Romulus). That would explain Old Spock’s pursuit of the villains attempting to disrupt the past.
I think it is likely that their scheme is both desperate and unsanctioned by the Romulan Senate.

I think that is about all that should be inferred from this actor’s comments concerning these Romulans being at all like “pirates”. He probably would have been better off using a term like “renegade”.

Orci cited “Balance Of Terror” as specific research on the part of the STXI “Supreme Court” in preparation for this production, and he and Lindelof are big fans (of TNG in particular), so these guys know who the Romulans are, and what conventional Romulan military personnel would look like.

I suspect that these Romulans are rather unconventional (perhaps former or Tal-Shiar), however. I picture these guys as members of a faction of Romulans committed to the “old ways” and determined to somehow tip the balance of power in their favor (maybe even by murdering a young Spock). I think that they may even make several attempts at whatever their plan at multiple points in the timeline.
I would like to believe that the motive is even more personal for Nero –as the illegitimate son of Spock and the Romulan commander in “TEI”–but that would probably be too much for the average moviegoer to follow, and is not very likely, IMO.

40. Martin Pollard - August 14, 2008

Jeez. Opinions about this movie are up and down more than a Vegas hooker during convention week…

41. Beam Me Up - August 14, 2008

What he means by pirate is that he’s probably just stolen a ship and out on his own. Kruge was like a pirate in Trek III

42. OM - August 14, 2008

“BND raises his mast…”

…HEY! There’s children present here! Keep that thing stowed away, you limey swabbo git! :-P :-P :-P

43. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

#40—Only for some people. I have yet to see or hear anything which warrants any sort of apprehension about this. IMO, you have to take comments like the one made by Mr. Collins with the proverbial “grain of salt”.

Collins is an actor with a relatively minor role in all likelihood. He is not a Trek fan, so what he knows about the overall big picture is probably very limited.

“space pirates”? I doubt that is a very accurate description…

44. weeharry - August 14, 2008

i don’t think they’ll literally be ‘pirates’, more that they are rogue / renegade types. i also agree with several others who think depp to be one of the best actors out there at this time and would love to see him in trek.

their time travelling shenanigans lead them to require a disguise to fit in on the earth of their past, hence the chopping off of ear points to and tattooing of faces, perhaps to masquerade as a never before met species. (thus preserving your blessed canon to explain why in ‘balace of terror’ they’ve never seen what romulans look like)

45. Beam Me Up - August 14, 2008

Han Solo was a Space Pirate. There’s nothing wrong with that.

46. Wastedbeerz - August 14, 2008

I still think Riker & the Titan are gonna have a cameo early on in the movie.

47. steve623 - August 14, 2008

“I tried to watch some of the old ‘Star Treks,’ and with all due respect, they were probably cool at the time, but I couldn’t watch them.”

Classy.

48. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

There is nothing to indicate that Kirk and co. will meet any Romulans face to face. That isn’t neceesarily what will happen. Orci is aware of “BOT” (he has said so here).

With that said, he also has stated that “anything which appears to violate canon will have a canon explanation”.

Let’s keep in mind that these rogue Romulans could indeed alter the timeline. The whole “surprise aspect” of the original visual contact with the Romulans may be rendered irrelevant by events in this film. An alternate timeline, as a result of Romulan interference, could very well be that “canon explanation”.

My guess is that Nimoy’s Spock is partially successful in preventing whatever Nero is trying to do, but is unable to prevent some subtle changes in the timeline that we previously recognized as correct.

Of course, none of that will matter at all to a 14-15 year old who has never seen TOS, and wasn’t even alive the last time Kirk or Spock was depicted at all on the big screen. It will only be pertinent to those of us who feel a need to canonically justify anything that happens in Star Trek, despite the fact that this is all predicated upon a major suspension of disbelief to begin with…

49. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

#47—-Sounds honest to me…He doesn’t have to be a fan. Most of the target audience do not belong to the fraternity of established fans, and there are alot more people out there who share his opinion than there are of us.

Collins is not a fan. Neither was Nick Meyer. William Shatner said that, until recently (while recovering from surgery), he had never even tried to watch it in syndication. The difference is, Collins is just an actor with a couple of scenes in the new movie. Who cares what his opinion of the show is? He just has to deliver from to time JJ says, “action” to the time he says, “cut”. He is being well paid to do so.

50. SeePea - August 14, 2008

I think this guy needs a talking to. He’s off the reservation trying to impress E! at a Hollywood party by clumsily divulging secrets about the movie. Abrams controls the media leaks for a good reason as evidenced by some of the baseless conclusions drawn by fans whenever they read leaks out of context.

51. Trekkie16 - August 14, 2008

Hmmm My guesses as to who might have a cameo:

Steven Spielberg
Jennifer Garner
Greg Grunberg
Ron Moore
Tom Cruise
William Shatner
Jason Alexander

52. Spock's Brain - August 14, 2008

#38
I agree 110%. Stereotyping the races can make them predictable and boring. So far so good.

Seacrest out!

53. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

#50—They should put him in the “agonizer booth” JJ has in his office…

54. krikzil - August 14, 2008

>>My guess is that Nimoy’s Spock is partially successful in preventing whatever Nero is trying to do, but is unable to prevent some subtle changes in the timeline that we previously recognized as correct.

Forgive me then if I hope Nero’s meddling fixes Generations and Kirk lives! And Shatner cameos. Happy happy joy joy.

>>William Shatner said that, until recently (while recovering from surgery), he had never even tried to watch it in syndication.

In deat Shat’s case I don’t think it has anything to do with being a “fan” of Trek or not. He’s stated that he doesn’t watch anything he’s done because he hates seeing himself on the screen, big or small. I honestly don’t know how ANY actor can watch 10 foot tall images of themselves!!!! Talk about giving yourself a complex. And let’s not even get me started on HDTV. Yikes! Every flaw for all to see.

55. The Last Maquis - August 14, 2008

So the Romulans will be Space pirates in the Movie?
….Uh “not that there’s anything Wrong with that”, but my interest in the film …..just Died. Blahgg….

56. CaptainLordBat - August 14, 2008

They can indeed meet face to face…..that would explain the “ear” that we have seen on Bana. If they never identify themselves as Romlans…no conflict! What I want to see is the Bird of prey!

57. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

#53—No need for asking forgiveness…You are free to hope.

Personally, I hope Nimoy’s Spock once again disguises himself as Cousin Selek, goes to Sarek’s house on Vulcan, sneaks into the cribroom, and smothers baby Sybok with a pillow! That would save Kirk and Spock the humiliation of having their ship hijacked by the “intergalactic apple dumpling gang” and failing to take it back.

In fact, he might as well return, once again, to the late 1980′s and prevent Paramount from ever even allowing Shatner to direct TFF (aka STV: The Great Trek Turd Of ’89; aka STV: The Lone Pimple On The Butt Of An Otherwise Successful Film Series), saving me the money and humiliation of being seen exiting that abomination of a ST film.

58. Closettrekker - August 14, 2008

#55—And based upon what? The random description of a costume by a minor actor with only a couple of scenes in the movie? I doubt that is an accurate description of the apparently rogue Romulan villains in this film. You must not have had much interest to begin with…

59. MORN SPEAKS - August 14, 2008

I really didn’t like his comments that Star Trek was cool back then, but that he couldn’t watch them. That’s his opinion of course, but he like many “outsiders” don’t get Trek, it’s often called classic Trek for a reason because of its quality. Sure there are clunkers, but that’s part of the charm, and even the worst episodes have great character moments, Well I’m just ranting, this all stuff we already know.

60. demon barber of starfleet - August 14, 2008

I wanna see Johnny Depp as a Romulan! xD

61. Einstein Jones - August 14, 2008

It’s both sad and hilarious how some of you jump on the Johnny Depp comment and horibilize it into Trekian proportions. You guys must live with a lot of generalized anxiety throughout the course of your day. There is excellent medication available now that has few side effects. See your doctor for details.

62. SeePea - August 14, 2008

#53: Well, I quite agree. “His error” matters because the second-tier entertainment media has in the past broadcast opinions and conclusions expressed by fans blogging on a whim on this board and others as the prevailing “wisdom”. That could hurt the publicity of the movie unfairly and by extension Trek itself. Let’s stick to facts and common sense.

63. jimj - August 14, 2008

Maybe they’ll be wearing the 9 pieces of 8 on their Romulan uniforms!?

64. The Last Maquis - August 14, 2008

#58 Closet

Are you trying to cheer me up? How Sweet. As far as
My interest, Who doesn’t like a good villain?

65. ByGeorge - August 14, 2008

I love pirates, villains, renegades and outlaws. They add a touch of unpredictability to any story. Wasn’t that what Khan was? How about Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones? Haven’t had any Trek recently with some good old bad guys. No lofty ideals, political agendas, or complex motives – just motives we all can relate to like greed, selfishness or vengeance. Sounds like a lot of fun, not too complex where newcomers will not have to know Trek history to understand it. Lots of potential to be filled with action – sword fights, capturing enemy ships, walking the plank (transport into deep space), cannon fire (photon torpedos). I can’t wait!!

Pirate movies were also romantic. They would have had a gold mine if they had Pine, Quinto, and Urban with Johnny Depp being the crowning glory for women viewers.

66. The Vulcanista - August 14, 2008

#1 Perhaps one of Vulcanista’s mindmelds would ease your troubled mind?

I suspect he meant Depp’s intensity that he brings to the Jack Sparrow character, minus the camp and heavy black eyeliner. Let’s face it, Mr. Collins isn’t exactly the most articulate fellow to give his take on Trek.

I *wish* that Depp was playing the villain. He always tops the list of my favorite actors, and recently it’s because of his work in “Sweeney Todd.” And I gotta love a guy that was talking last year about reviving the “Dark Shadows” franchise.

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

67. Scoopy - August 14, 2008

I hope their like the space pirate from the original Lost in Space Episode….Robot parrot and all……Arrrrrrrr

68. Harry Ballz - August 14, 2008

A mindmeld with The Vulcanista?

Great, I’d go from aggravated to stimulated in a Vulcan minute! Yowza!

69. Scoopy - August 14, 2008

Now we know why part of Eric Bana’s ear looks chewed off in the poster…….The parrot bit it off !

And I wonder if they’re gonna wear visors over one eye only???

70. The Vulcanista - August 14, 2008

Honey, you’d go beyond stimulated to absolute satsifaction gar-ron-TEED!

Ooops. Off topic again.

Yep. Them Romulans talk funneh. Glad to see they’re inventing a dialect for them after forty FRICKIN’ years!

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

71. Platitude - August 14, 2008

Romulan space pirates?

HECK YES. That sounds AWESOME.

72. S. John Ross - August 14, 2008

So, let’s add this up: Bald Face-Tattooed Romulan Villain Named “Nero” + Said Villain Has a *Sidekick* + “Think of Johnny Depp as a Romulan” + … Time … Travel … Plot.

Speaking as someone who enjoys the cheesy side of Trek, I’m cool with all of it. But please, folks, no more claims that “[Abrams] totally reinvented the whole thing and taken the cheese out of it.” ( – Clifton Collins jr, last month) …

Slap the “REAL Seal” on this sucker and serve up a gooey melted slice, bay-bee.

73. Harry Ballz - August 14, 2008

I’ll have the “Trek triple-decker” and hold the cheese!

74. rag451 - August 14, 2008

Sounds interesting…

There has to be something useful in not having a full cast of Star Trek fans. During filming, imagine if all an actor thinks about is how cool Star Trek is or how attached that actor is to Kirk or Spock. I’m no actor (duh), but I’m sure objectivity is important somewhere in the scheme of things. So, if he’s not a fan of the original series, so be it. Hopefully that detachment will fuel his performance.

75. Astrophysicophile - August 14, 2008

38, 39, 52. Actually, Star Trek has already shown diversity among the Romulans: Romulans who have different brow ridges, eye colors, and hair styles, and Remans.

76. section9 - August 14, 2008

Can anyone, ANYONE here imagine Johnny Depp doing James T. Kirk as a kind of mindf**k mix of the Shat and Jack Sparrow?

Now you know why Abrams didn’t go after Depp.

77. Astrophysicophile - August 14, 2008

75. I forgot to mention Romulans who have different eye shapes and skin colors.

78. The Last Maquis - August 14, 2008

#70. Vulcanista

Okay, actually My ears did Perk up at the Thought of FINALLY giving them the Real Language treatment. So tired of that silly Klingon nonsense. Romulans were Cooler anyway. Oh and set the mood For them Mind melds, Slow Sweet Bass Music, I’m just sayin’

79. Astrophysicophile - August 14, 2008

Clifton’s comments about space pirates reminds me of Admiral Dougherty’s statement in Star Trek: Insurrection, that the Romulan empire was formed from a bunch of Romulan thugs. The space pirates would be throwbacks to these thugs.

80. Astrophysicophile - August 14, 2008

Clifton’s comments about the linguist makes me wonder if the linguist is Marc Okrand.

81. Shatner_Fan_2000 - August 14, 2008

From the E article:

“And get ready for some surprise appearances in the movie. ‘There is, but I better not say,’ Collins said of possible big-star cameos. ‘There are certain things that as kids growing up, whether it’s Star Trek or other shows at the time, all you got to do is really just hear their voice and your heart warms.’ Asked if he was referring to characters and actors from the original television series, Collins simply smiled and said, ‘Maybe.’”

Wow! I now believe Shatner is in the movie again. :-)

82. Beam Me Up - August 14, 2008

Shinzon was a Reman pirate. He even had his own ship.

83. Cervantes - August 14, 2008

#29 Pat Payne

Alright, I’ll bite, but. maybe, just maybe…IF this guy Collins ‘couldn’t watch’ the original TOS show….then perhaps the ‘cameos’ he refers to is to do with the TNG show! As he’s not such a Trek fan, then perhaps his heavy hints referred to someone from the original ‘follow-up’ tv show instead, as he perhaps doesn’t realise the difference or appreciate the significance of his hints – He could mean STEWART rather than SHATNER somewhere in this mix….

As far as a dedicated Romulan dialect….If it’s a whole new made-up language, then I hope if this doesn’t mean endless ‘subtitles’ if there is a lot of dialogue involving his and Bana’s characters, as that will become wearisome. I don’t mind ‘foreign language’ films with lots of subtitles, but I don’t want this Trek movie to be one.

Oh, and while it’s been brought up, can you imagine how utterly cool this project would have been, if someone of the caliber of Johnnie Depp had indeed been aboard, instead of say, this wannabe Collins guy?….

84. barrydancer - August 14, 2008

“Gee, Nero. What do you want to do tonight?”

“The same thing we do every night, Ayel-try to take over the universe.”

85. The Vulcanista - August 14, 2008

Section 9

We weren’t talking about Depp portraying Kirk. We were talking about Depp playing the Romulan villain.

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

86. Astrophysicophile - August 14, 2008

82. However, Shinzon was a Reman of Human ancestry.

87. Cervantes - August 14, 2008

By the way, it seems as if Warners has decided to move their next ‘Harry Potter’ (and the Half-Blood Prince) instalment from Christmas to Summer 2009! That adds to what is already a packed Summer season, and is huge competition….but leaves a more open Christmas slot now for something half-decent to clean-up….

88. The Studio - August 14, 2008

My question is:
Is Clifton Collins in violation of his non-disclosure agreement?

If I were a Paramount exec, I’d sic my Legal Dept. on his arse a.s.a.p. Most of the actors have been doing an admirable job staying tight-lipped, saying very few things, or carefully wording something empty/uninformative as a response.

It’s the Prime Directive, baby.

Collins needs to shut his Romulan pirate yap.

89. Pat Payne - August 14, 2008

#83…

I wasn’t really weighing in in a completely serious manner either way, just commenting on the proclivities of the Shatneristas to latch on to any evidence to claim “see? He will be in the movie after all!”

If Patrick Stewart makes a cameo, thay would be tres cool.

90. Thomas - August 14, 2008

As good as Depp might be, I wouldn’t put him in a movie like this. He would completely overshadow the other characters.

91. XAi - August 14, 2008

I wish these actors would shut up… they say stuff like this and some take it all out of proportion. This won’t be Captain Kirk meets Captain Jack Sparrow

“I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”

Good grief.

92. TrekMadeMeWonder - August 14, 2008

91 .
Agreed.

It’s getting hard to see how the GP are going to understand this film, if Trek’s core audience can’t make head or tales of the plot and characters by this time.

Give us some real plot details. Something substantial!

The short trailer was nice, but I thought we were much further along than “Under Construction.” The premier is delayed FIVE or SIX months?!
Please restore our Trekkie faith soon!

How about a short cool “Webisode” Paramont?

Thx TM! I know at least you are all trying.

93. Astrophysicophile - August 14, 2008

83. To avoid endless subtitles, Abrams could employ the technique used in “The Hunt for the Red October” and Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country. In those movies, subtle cues are used to indicate that the dialogue has switched to another language, even though it is heard in English.

94. Beam Me Up - August 14, 2008

The sequel has Kirk Spock and this guy going to Davey Jones’ Locker to get Nero back.

95. Harry Ballz - August 14, 2008

#91

At post #1 I said “I got a bad feeling about this” and I meant it!

Space Pirates is NOT the way to go in relaunching an important franchise like Star Trek! Could they have come up with a more stupid villian type? I don’t think so! The fundamental premise sounds as lame as Abrams rejected Superman script!

We’re all entitled to our own opinion and that’s mine! So, “good grief” yourself!

96. The Last Maquis - August 14, 2008

#84 barrydancer

interesting, perhaps “Narf” is a Romulan word.

ZOIT!!

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98. Devon - August 14, 2008

#95 – HB – I think you’re getting carried away and taking his comments a little too literally or assuming too much based on very little info.

99. Einstein Jones - August 14, 2008

Harry Ballz – think pirates more like Firefly, but with better technology? It’s obvious you want to be worked up by this, so I won’t say any more.

100. Devon - August 14, 2008

#88 – What did he say that was so revealing?

101. Harry Ballz - August 14, 2008

#98+99

Hey, I hope I’m WRONG!

102. Iowagirl - August 15, 2008

As far as I’m concerned, the only real ST pirat was Kirk. :D

#54
- Forgive me then if I hope Nero’s meddling fixes Generations and Kirk lives! And Shatner cameos. Happy happy joy joy. –

As you can see, Shatner Fan and I hope and believe with you (go figure) :-)

103. DJ Neelix - August 15, 2008

In the full article he said Star Trek was cheesy and that he couldn’t watch it… there are a lot of shows that are ‘real’ and I watch those too (well, I don’t watch television really but films anyway). Star Trek is a utopia, a dreamworld. Why should it have to feel real?

104. Phil - August 15, 2008

Who is the linguist?

105. Commodore Redshirt - August 15, 2008

Clifton Collins Jr.

106. Commodore Redshirt - August 15, 2008

Clifton Collins Jr. seems like a bit of a dim bulb…how is he a general?

107. Enc - August 15, 2008

99
what?
firefly pirates?
are you talking mal or reavers?
niether of these come to mind in any jonny dep richards sorta way

i would prefer a reaver (firefly) or joker (dark night) kinda bad guy then some bad guy played with humanity, and reason.

108. Nostromo - August 15, 2008

As many others have said, it’s the COSTUMES this guy is talking about, and not even that strongly. The article states that the “look” of the Romulan characters “could have” been “somewhat” inspired by a pirate costume. We’re not talking Harry Mudd here!

This kind of thread always reminds me of the trekbbs movie forum: “We have nothing to post but fear itself”. ;-)

And, you know, god forbid that any Trek film should have a larger than life villain. That would be unheard of…

109. Drew - August 15, 2008

1) Johnny Depp is one of the greatest living actors…Collins’ comment does NOT worry me…in fact it gives me hope that new life will be breathed into Trek

2) I think he’s going to get a bitch slap from Abrams & co for spilling the cameo beans…think about his comment, it is Shatner (I’m thinking Shatner’s voice coming to old Spock/new Spock during a meld or some sort of Vulcan voodoo)

110. Wrath - August 15, 2008

The cameo is Patrick Stewart. That’s my hope.

Picard send Spock back to TOS era with his best wishes and hopes.

111. Devon - August 15, 2008

#103 – Why should it have to feel real?

Oh puhleeze. Star Trek was made on a low budget and had cardboard sets. You’re telling me that was how utopia should feel?

112. Iowagirl - August 15, 2008

##103, 110

I don’t think that “Utopia” was what GR had in mind when creating ST. He just wanted to deliver his idea of a future with a better understanding between people, races, and cultures, with people who had overcome or
were trying to overcome racism and prejudices and had managed to make friends with people from different cultural and ethnic backgrounds. But it’s a future in which we still have wars, hatred, envy, illness, and personal enemies. So, it’s still far from being “Utopia”.

However, all of this was perfectly shown by means of cardboard sets with some cheese topping, so for me and quite a few others it felt “real” and at the same time the “vision” became crystal clear. Of course, it’s nice to have a huge budget for XI, but it’s not required to deliver a significant message people can relate to.

113. Cervantes - August 15, 2008

#89 Pat Payne

Sure, but this Shatner-hopeful doesn’t necessarily see the ‘cameo’ hints as referring to him. However, imagine if we somehow get Shatner AND Stewart in the proceedings…. Just no-one mention ‘Generations’ ;)

#93 Astrophysicophile

Yes, I hope any ‘Romulan language’ changes very quickly from ‘subtitles’ to the audience just hearing ‘spoken English’, at the earliest opportunity, as this can be quite an effective cinematic method when done well.

114. ChristopherPike - August 15, 2008

Tharr she blows….

Sorry couldn’t resist! :p

115. Leela - August 15, 2008

Space Pirates!

Space Pirates?

You know… Pirates. But in space!

116. Holger - August 15, 2008

>Collins said his and Bana’s Romulan look could have been somewhat inspired by Pirates of the Caribbean. “We’re space pirates,” Collins explained. “Think of Johnny Depp as a Romulan.”<

Oh no! When Nemesis came out, The Lord Of The Rings was hugely successful, and so, to ride on this wave, Nemesis had Orcs (=Remans). Today, Pirates Of The Carribbean is hugely successful, and… guess what!
Terrible! Can’t they think of something original?

117. ChristopherPike - August 15, 2008

My cameo wish list would be:

Picard (or even somekind of name drop for him) during Spock’s far future opening scenes.

Archer and or more likely T’Pol during a Starfleet Academy lesson.

That’s about it. With Nimoy the key TOS player to the story, I won’t be calling for anyone’s head if Shatner fails to show up. Generation closed out his story line for better or worse.

118. Nostromo - August 15, 2008

#115

Trek has a long history of ‘nautical’ baddies.

Kruge, General Chang, Lursa and B’Etor were all essentially Klingon Sea Captains (or even Space Pirates) in dramatic terms. Chang even had an eye patch! And of course Khan quoted Moby Dick and engaged in naval/submarine style space battles.

I’d be surprised if the vilains in the new film were any more piratical than that.

119. Decker's Stubble - August 15, 2008

117 responses and no reference to “Ice Pirates” with Robert Urich and Ron Perlman? For shame.

120. Delthayre - August 15, 2008

I wonder who the linguist that they commissioned to draft Romulan is, especially as the languages that he specializes in might determine some of the features of the language. Mark Okrand is an Americanist, which is reflected in some features of Klingon. I also wonder how extensively Romulan has been developed and if the creator incorporated a naturalistic amount of irregularity, which Klingon, largely because Okrand never expected it to become as relatively prominent and popular, lacks.

I dally in creating languages as a hobby, so I probably have in inordinate interest in this new Romulan language.

I also think that extensive, if judicious, use of subtitles would be neat, but I’m funny that way.

121. Please - August 15, 2008

Unless Shatner is a cameo, I’m really not interested.

122. sean - August 15, 2008

Oh boy. Here’s a fun fact – not everyone in the world loves Star Trek. In fact, not everyone that works on Star Trek loves Star Trek. I promise it will neither make the movie good nor bad as a result.

123. Jay - "The Real Jim Kirk" - August 15, 2008

This is good news, I like the idea of a real bad ass baddies. I think Collins looks bad ass, not sure about Bana, but im sure he can pull it off.

With regards to the Pirates idea, im cool with that, Starfleet have naval ranks and its all rather nautical, so im all fine with space pirates, although I assume they’ll be (as mentioned above) Romulan rebels who are not happy with the post-nemesis peace talks with the Federation and aim to stir things up.

Also reading the article about famous cameos, im not surprised by this as we’ve heard reports of some famous faces on set, and there was an earlier spoiler saying that many famous actors were going to appear in cameos. Im hoping for a Frakes cameo as Cpt Riker in the post nemesis timeline. Think about it, Spock may still be on Romulus preaching re-unification, and we know that Riker was sent in the Titan to head up the task force and possible peace talks, so a cameo would be well within canon. I also really liked the answer to the question about possible TOS cameos… Shatner anyone??

Jay, UK

124. Please - August 15, 2008

I just don’t believe it will be Shatner. When it comes to Star Trek itself, there’s no one more famous, and no bigger name than William Shatner. It wouldn’t make sense to just have him show up as a surprise, and given the bitterness over the whole thing, I doubt they would want to keep it a secret from people who feel alienated. Shatner would be a box office draw for this movie, so it doesn’t make sense to keep it under wraps. My guess is that all the cameos, if there really are any, have been shot, and that’s that. I just have no faith that Shatner will be one of them. I don’t even believe they ever considered it.

125. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - August 15, 2008

Toss a name out to you all:

Harcourt Fenton Mudd

He wasn’t scary or menacing really, unless you run screaming from used care salesman and snake oil peddlers, but his wardrobe was all buccaneer. A precedent has been established somewhat on this front in regards to TOS.

Rest easy, squirmy Trek fans. To get over excited about what Clifton Collins Jr. (?) has to say about Star Trek is like worrying about George Bush’s take on string theory.

126. Jay - "The Real Jim Kirk" - August 15, 2008

#124 agreed to some extent, but who says that the trailer wont reveal some surprises and therefore generate huge interest!!!

Jay, UK

127. Steve Short - August 15, 2008

If Classic Star Trek didn’t see Romulans until “Balance of Terror” then if a Romulan did travel back in time and come face to face how would Kirk know it was a Romulan? Kirk could think he was a Vulcan or with the tips of his ears cut off he could be anyone.

128. Please - August 15, 2008

126–I don’t think they would put Shatner in the trailer–especially since he’s not in the movie. I can’t see them hiding something for so long, taking so much heat, and then basically spilling the beans in an extended commercial. Yes, that would generate huge interest and reignite the people they alienated, but the producers/writers don’t seem to care about that. I think these people made their decision about Shatner before the first draft was written, and they’ve decided to live with the lost business and bad will.

129. Shatner_Fan_2000 - August 15, 2008

Closettrekker rebuttal to # 128 coming in 5…4…3…2…

:-)

130. DJ Neelix - August 15, 2008

@111 & 112:

I was referring to ST in general, not just TOS. ST has never fealt real, there’s always been a dreamworld-feeling to it.

131. cellojammer - August 15, 2008

If this movie kicks butt, as I suspect it will, some have already written it off and will refuse to enjoy it.

Sad.

132. Jeffries Tuber - August 15, 2008

Nimoy’s Spock and Mrs. Roddenberry’s Chapel in a ‘BODY PROJECT’-style elderly Vulcan-Human sex scene. Spock shows undeniable emotion.

That would warm the heart.

Clif Collins is an excellent actor and has more than enough badass in reserve to play a Romulan.

As 65 says above, the thing that’s disheartening about the Pirate comment is not Depp or POTC… it’s that it’s the same old same ol’… ripping off Khan.

There is only one Ricardo Montalban.

133. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

In 2266, the Romulan Star Empire sent a lone Bird Of Prey across the Neutral Zone to test the strength and resolve of their former foe. After the Romulan vessel destroyed several Earth outposts operated near the Neutral Zone with uncanny surprise and a frightening new weapon, the USS Enterprise (under the command of Captain James T. Kirk) intercepted and defeated the Bird Of Prey. During the battle, it was learned that the Romulans possessed a cloaking device which rendered them invisible to Fedeartion sensors and the naked eye. However, it was also learned that this cloaking device required an enormous diversion of power, and that the vessel could not fire its deadly (and equally draining) plasma weapon while under cloak.

Furthermore, the device failed to adequately mask the vessel’s movement. While this was certainly a tactical advantage of great concern, it was determined that this Romulan technology had as many disadvantages as advantages. Even more startling, it was revealed that the Romulans were distant cousins of one of the Federation’s founding peoples…the Vulcans.

By 2268, Starfleet Intelligence had learned of some alarming developments which threatened to upset the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant and the security of the United Federation Of Planets. It appeared as if the Klingon Empire had entered into some form of non-agression pact and military exchange with the (until then) xenophobic Romulan Star Empire. Intelligence reports had indicated that the Romulan military was now in possession of Klingon designed D-7 Battlecruisers, and may have already begun deploying them near Federation space. Moreover, there were also unconfirmed reports that the Romulans now had a new and improved cloaking device— this one able to effectively hide a cloaked vessel’s movement— and might very well be using them aboard those battlecruisers.

That same year, Starfleet Command made a decision to act in the interests of the safety and security of its people. It would be a bold undertaking, and would require men with unmatched courage and loyalty to the UFP to carry out such a mission. There was no question as to who would carry out the necessary details—-the Captain of the Enterprise and his half-Vulcan First Officer.

The Enterprise would cross into the Romulan Neutral Zone and allow itself to be captured. Captain Kirk and Spock would hatch a plan to steal this new cloaking device and return it to Starfleet. Upon being captured, the Enterprise found itself in the possession of a female Romulan officer in command of a group of D-7′s, all equipped with this new and formidable technology. Although their mission would eventually be successful, something unforseen would take place aboard the Romulan flagship.

In order to distract the Romulan Commander while Kirk carried out the theft of the cloaking device, Spock would seduce the Romulan female, who was taken with the half-Vulcan, half-human Starfleet officer from the moment she became aware of his presence aboard the Enterprise. She would eventually watch from the bridge of the Enterprise as Kirk’s ship cloaked and escaped the grasp of the Romulan Sub-Commander Tal and re-entered Federation space.

Upon being repatriated to the RSE shortly thereafter, the Romulan Commander was well aware of her probable fate. She was disgraced, having lost not only the cloaking device aboard her own vessel, but the prize that would have been the intact USS Enterprise and her officers. Surely she would be executed for her foolishness and deriliction of duty.

To make matters worse, she had discovered— shortly upon learning that she would imprisoned until a tribunal was convened to formally seal her fate—that she was carrying a child. While she was herself more than willing to accept the judgement of her superiors and no doubt surrender her life for her crimes, she found herself unwilling to allow her unborn child to share that fate.

Using a former lover who was a powerful member of the Tal Shiar, she was able to temporarily escape to a safe haven on one of the many planets under control of the RSE. There, she gave birth to a son—to whom she gave the name, Nero—and remained there in hiding for the next twelve years. Eventually, she was discovered, and both she and her former lover were arrested and executed.

She had known all along that this day would come, as she had long ago been convicted of her crimes in absentia. But as the grip of the Romulan secret police closed around her, she told her young son the truth about his heritage and what had happened to her and her career. She was determined that he not be discovered, so she stowed him away in the far reaches of the Empire, with a family she had long known and trusted.

Nero would grow up in the home of a retired Tal Shiar General, who had a young son about his age named Ayel. Very early on, Nero’s surrogate father noticed that Nero possessed every bit of cunning and natural leadership ability that allowed his mother to rise quickly within the ranks of the Romulan military. Both he and Ayel would, as all Romulan men are required, enter the military at some point. But his adopted father would never let him forget his family’s dishonor completely. He constantly reminded Nero of who he was and why.

During a battle with the Klingons, who after twenty-five years of peace had resumed hostilities with the RSE, Nero was nearly killed in fierce hand-to-hand fighting on a planet along the border. His ear was severely mutilated during the battle. Nero and the forces he led were victorious, however, and he impressed upon his men an enormous measure of respect by refusing to ever allow his battle wound to be surgically repaired, although he could have easily done so and conformed to the well-known vanity which permeated the ranks of Romulan military officers.

While Nero rose through the ranks of the Romulan military with respectable swiftness, Ayel followed in his father’s footsteps and joined the Tal Shiar when his compulsory military service was complete. While both were enjoying successful careers, something inside Nero would never allow him to be satisfied. He had an insatiable need to test the boundaries between courage and insanity. Ayel feared that he had a death wish.

To be continued…

134. Shatner_Fan_2000 - August 15, 2008

Closet, what the heck is this you’re posting??? If it’s fanfic, I’ll read it, but if you have spoilers … cut it out!!!

135. Mack Patron - August 15, 2008

Dude’s got too much time on his hands.

136. Shatner_Fan_2000 - August 15, 2008

#135 … True that. :-)

137. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#134—-Enjoying the rain?

138. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#135—-There is no such thing as “too much time”. I am thankful for mine.

You don’t have to read it.

139. cpelc - August 15, 2008

Here’s one from Left Field…..

What if Nero is Spock’s son – with the Romulan Commander

and goes back to kill Kirk because he hurt his mother so much and the empire

140. cpelc - August 15, 2008

that’s all that needed to be said…instead of a half a page of background

141. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#139—-Uh…see post 133. There are about a half dozen or so of us who have been touting that possibility for over a year, so it’s not quite “from Left Field”. To me, it makes perfect sense for a Spock-centric storyline. However, I think it would probably not cater very well to that new and broader audience the film is targeting. I think it requires too much knowledge of TOS history.

142. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#140—Again, you don’t have to read it. I’m sorry that I bored you.

143. Captain Presley - August 15, 2008

I’ll take Space Pirates over Space Hippies any day.

And for the record, I’m saying it one more time: Shatner’s in it!

144. cpelc - August 15, 2008

I wasn’t trying to be mean– my bad

you just never spelled it out in those exact words the first time I glanced over it.

then I posted that…reread your post and came to the conclusion that you had essentially said the same thing.

I just meant that it would have been easier to understand what you were getting at for someone glancing at posts.

and yeah I know my link is messed up. It was a month ago that it was posted.

here’s the link to the FARK thread that was discussing it

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3680174

145. Harry Ballz - August 15, 2008

Closettrekker #133

nice writing style……I enjoyed it!

146. British Naval Dude - August 15, 2008

What a thread!

It be our duty ta’ get all tha’ Trek booty…
Android Harry Mudd be behind it all in JJ’s Trek…
Jolly Rogers fur one and all…

Arrrrrr…

147. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#144—No worries.

148. The Underpants Monster - August 15, 2008

“He had an insatiable need to test the boundaries between courage and insanity.”

Ah, where would Western literature be without that concept?

So where does the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his followers, the Ramenoodles, figure into the film?

149. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#145—-Thanks. I’m not a professional writer, but I enjoy it. I’m just a humble furniture store owner in Houston, Tx.

150. Shatner_Fan_2000 - August 15, 2008

It would be nice if Nero turned out to be Spock’s love child from The Enterprise Incident, one of my fave episodes.

But then they’d have to reference an older installment in the series, and that would confuse the new audience and detract from the new story they’re trying to tell. You know, exactly like if they had to reference/explain Kirk’s death & resurrection.

;-)

151. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#150—-Yes. It isn’t likely that Orci and Kurtzman wrote a script with that much reference to TOS history. In fact, making the film’s story accessible to a more mainstream audience is one of the “Supreme Court’s” stated objectives.
What I wish for and what I think is likely to be a part of this film’s story are two very different things. I know you can identify with that…

152. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

(continued from #151)The story I began in post #133 is much more suited for a novel with a target audience of fans who are thoroughly familiar with “BOT”, “TEI”, and “Unification”, although as a novel, it would be much easier to provide the necessary background information to the reader by recounting those events in third person narrative or in the recollections of relevant characters. Movies can rarely provide that kind of perspective, and the storylines usually end up simpler and more condensed.

153. Iowagirl - August 15, 2008

#150
You may have asked too much of Closettrekker…;)

#151, 152
Now you disappoint me – don’t cop out, no lame excuses, don’t drop it as it’s hot, be brave, go boldly where no writer has gone before, present us your solution as to Kirk’s resurrection. We want *your* sequel.

Risk is the writer’s business!

154. Anthony Pascale - August 15, 2008

closettrekker
I have warned you before. please dont post these giant fanfic things here, post it on a blog or other site and put up a link, and make it clear it is fanfic

155. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#154—I’m terribly sorry. I honestly had no idea that I had received such a warning, and never intended it to be taken as anything but fanfic–just for fun. It will not happen again.

156. Vulcan Soul - August 15, 2008

Space Pirates!

Truly cerebral, isnt it? ;)

157. Shatner_Fan_2000 - August 15, 2008

#153 & 154 … I’ve warned Closet not to post in general. He hasn’t listened to me, either.

:-)

158. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#157—lol.

159. JB - August 15, 2008

“Me and Eric are the new Romulans, they had a linguist come in and invent Romulan!”

“Me and Eric”?

This guy doesn’t need a linguist; he needs a first grade English teacher.

160. IronKing - August 15, 2008

I had to laugh when I read the comments on this article. The reason why he cited Johnny Depp is that most of the people surfing the web these days wouldn’t recognize a reference to an actual pirate. Depp’s Sparrow character
is about the most topical and recognizable piratical figure for today’s X-Box crowd. He meant that the Romulans are space pirates, and that’s all.

“Blackbeard”? The Romulans will be bearded?! Bana wasn’t bearded in the poster!

161. Phil123 - August 15, 2008

i hope they have wooden legs and parrots

162. Paulaner - August 15, 2008

At last, a romulan storyline in a Star Trek movie! I don’t count the romulans in Nemesis as a real important thing, as they have been depicted as petty puppets of some renegade reman, capable of wiping out the entire romulan senat with a single, lame weapon… ;-)

163. Notbob - August 15, 2008

You know, just because he said think Johnny Depp as a Romulan, it doesn’t mean that the Romulan pirates are going to be like the pirates of that franchise. It doesn’t mean that they’ll even be like the real seadogs of the 1400-1700s. The real life pirates today are not anything like the pirates of old. They dress in modern clothes and use modern–often pirated–military weapons.

This can simply mean that they are not officially with the Romulan military or Empire. It gives them more freedom to bend rules. He didn’t say that they were going to be comical either.

Sci-Fi films have pirates. Space pirates. Han Solo, Boba Fett, Harry Mudd, the guy that Billy Campbell played on TNG, the mercs from Alien Resurection and the crew of the Serenity are all pirates. Call them pirates, criminals, smugglers, thieves, bounty hunters, etc. Those titles all fit. But they all were pirates dealing with pirated goods.

When I read news like this pirate news, I think this film may be good. When I read that there will be action and fights I think that this might be good. When I heard that it will have adventure, I think this film will be good.

There are many here who obviously rather watch another dull episode of The Next Generation, or a dry Motion Picture (not a terrible film for a fan of the original show, duller than picking out socks for someone who was not).

164. Jay - "The Real Jim Kirk" - August 15, 2008

Closet – i really enjoyed your giant fanfic post, and really hope that Nero is Spock’s love child, how sweet would that be??

I know many people are saying, “Na, they’ll never write it in, as the general public wont know whats going on” However, I disagree… yea its a story that has a history in trek canon, but this wont matter as long as its a well written script that is simply: ‘a bastard son, going back in time to seek his revenge. Meanwhile his estranged father finds out and goes back to stop him and whilst he’s there tries to ressurect an old friend’. If its well written, any audience will be sold!!

Alternatively, lets have Nero as Spock’s son, the general public get confused but become fans of the old series as they seek to find out the background story… either way, bums are on seats and the cash register is singing, paramount is rubbing its greedy hands together, and Trekkie’s/trekkers rejoice.

Hurrah!

Jay, UK

165. British Naval Dude - August 15, 2008

Chekov can write a play aboot me as I take Rand hand in hand and gulp down what’s green in Scotty’s scenes…

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…

Arrrrrrrr… I’m takin’ this pirate Rommie thing way too much ta’ heart…

If tha’ heart is a lonely hunter, then when we find that scalawag Bird O’ Prey which will fill our stomachs, we best make tha’ best o’ it and hope we’re not “Lost”…

Arrrrrrrr….

166. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#163—-I completely agree with most of what you say. However, I actually believe that the whole “space pirates” bit of it was probably meant to describe what these rogue Romulans look like in their face paint and their costumes. I suspect that Nero and Ayel are members of a faction that does not look forward to lasting peace with the Federation, and probably are somewhat disenchanted with the softening political climate on Romulus that Spock has helped to nurture. My guess is that they are taking drastic measures to rewrite history a bit in favor of the militaristic leaders of the Romulan Star Empire. Such measures would undoubtedly be unsanctioned by the Senate and the Praetor, so these Romulans are probably “renegades” more than they are “pirates”.

The biggest point we have to remember is that this guy—Collins, is an actor with a relatively minor role as the primary antagonist’s chief henchman, and his comments should be looked upon accordingly, IMO.

“space pirates”? I doubt it…

167. Closettrekker - August 15, 2008

#164—-Thanks, Jay, I’m really glad you enjoyed it…and I hope you’re right.

168. Drew - August 15, 2008

If you are familiar with any of Lindelof & Abram’s work, daddy issues are huge.

Not sure of Orci & Kurtzman

169. Xai - August 15, 2008

IMO, I think the actor would have better served the interview had he not said “pirate”. I agree with #166, I doubt it too. He could have said “rebels, mercenaries, rogues, Romulan extremists” and a half dozen other terms that would like likely fit.

And Harry, I don’t know why you are so wired on this… you weren’t the only one saying you have a bad feeling on this. Was I singling you out?… sorry if you felt that way, but no. And as for your opinion… have at it. I never said you couldn’t have one and even if I did, you’d still offer one…. likely sticking your tongue out at me in the process.
We’re buds, and this is all just a long conversation.
;-)

170. Einstein Jones - August 15, 2008

I can’t wait for this movie for no other reason than to finally silence the doofs who think Shatner will appear.

171. Lostrod - August 15, 2008

#170

Enstein:

Any reason to be insultive? People are intitled to their thoughts without being referred to as ‘doofs’.

172. Jovan - August 15, 2008

#9: Simon Pegg drank it all.

#149: I hope that was a joke.

173. Harry Ballz - August 15, 2008

#169

Sorry, Xai, but since I posted at the #1 spot with that exact statement, I guess I thought it was aimed in my direction! Also, with a few drinks in me last night, I responded without even seeing who posted the comment. We ARE buds and it’s always fun to chat with you!

174. Einstein Jones - August 16, 2008

171 Lostrod

You’re right, I’m wrong. I apologize.

175. Dr. Soran - August 16, 2008

- Johnny Deep is a very hairy guy if i remember well..but anyway that thing with romulan language seems to be a very trekkie thing to me..

176. Closettrekker - August 16, 2008

#172—” I hope that was a joke.”

What? That I am not a professional writer, or that I own a furniture store in Houston? I’m afraid that both of those statements are completely true. If you were referring to my story in #133—that is just the result of my own overactive imagination and about 10 minutes of free time, but I wouldn’t call it a joke. I can assure you, though, that it was just fan fiction—and not at all indicative (as far as I know, but wouldn’t that be a coincidence?) of STXI’s storyline.

177. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - August 16, 2008

POOP!!!!

178. Possible spoiler - August 16, 2008

His name will be’ AYEL’ is the film.
He’s Nero’s henchman .
Nero travels through time to kill Kirk,but He erroneously arrives too early at one point (before Kirk is actually born and Amanda is pregnant with Him).
Nero somehow does something in that first attempt that creates a historical record alerting elder Spock.
Before Nero attemps a second time Travel Spock travels back to save the timeline.

179. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - August 16, 2008

Even more POOP

180. Harry Ballz - August 16, 2008

When did a SCOOP become POOP? Or am I out of the LOOP?

181. S. John Ross - August 16, 2008

My own fanfic version:

This is the cheesy sidekick guy who talks Kirk’s evil uncle stepfather into selling everybody out :)

182. Trek Fan - August 16, 2008

I have a pretty strong feeling that this movie has gone into the crapper already.

Let’s get back to Trek of the 1960′s…some good stories (I know a few weren’t good) and chicks in miniskirts!

183. TL - August 16, 2008

great posts Closettrekker

184. montreal paul - August 16, 2008

182 – Trek Fan…
“I have a pretty strong feeling that this movie has gone into the crapper already.”

Fine.. then don’t go see the movie.

185. XAi - August 16, 2008

#184 Montreal

I agree. If someone is that sure this movie is in the crapper…please vote with your dollars (euros, etc) and don’t see it. It’s one less whiner that I and many other posters will have to deal with at the movie.

186. Jovan - August 16, 2008

#176: Your post number was obviously originally the abusive comment I refer to, as I no longer see it. Mr. Pascale or one of his assistants here probably deleted it. There is nothing against you, sir. :)

187. John Pemble - August 17, 2008

Yeah! Finally the Romulans get the treatment the deserve. A language and hopefully a makeup job that doesn’t look like glue.

188. Closettrekker - August 17, 2008

#186—Oh…I guess I never saw the deleted post.

189. Closettrekker - August 19, 2008

#177—-Don’t make me bring Mr. Poopey Face back, Garth!

190. Collins confirma papel de romulano e dá detalhes « Startrekbr’s Weblog - August 20, 2008

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191. joe nahhas - January 28, 2009

Einstein’s Nemesis: DI Her Eclipsing Binary Stars Solution
The problem that the 100,000 PHD Einsteinists could not solve

This is the solution to the “Quarter of a century” Smithsonian-NASA Posted motion puzzle that Einstein and the 100,000 space-time physicists including 109 years of Nobel prize winner physics and physicists and 400 years of astronomy and Astrophysicists could not solve and solved here and dedicated to Drs Edward Guinan and Frank Maloney
Of Villanova University Pennsylvania who posted this motion puzzle and started the search collections of stars with motion that can not be explained by any published physics
For 350 years Physicists Astrophysicists and Mathematicians and all others including Newton and Kepler themselves missed the time-dependent Newton’s equation and time dependent Kepler’s equation that accounts for Quantum – relativistic effects and it explains these effects as visual effects. Here it is

Universal- Mechanics

All there is in the Universe is objects of mass m moving in space (x, y, z) at a location
r = r (x, y, z). The state of any object in the Universe can be expressed as the product

S = m r; State = mass x location

P = d S/d t = m (d r/dt) + (dm/dt) r = Total moment

= change of location + change of mass

= m v + m’ r; v = velocity = d r/d t; m’ = mass change rate

F = d P/d t = d²S/dt² = Force = m (d²r/dt²) +2(dm/d t) (d r/d t) + (d²m/dt²) r

= m γ + 2m’v +m”r; γ = acceleration; m” = mass acceleration rate

In polar coordinates system

r = r r(1) ;v = r’ r(1) + r θ’ θ(1) ; γ = (r” – rθ’²)r(1) + (2r’θ’ + rθ”)θ(1)

F = m[(r"-rθ'²)r(1) + (2r'θ' + rθ")θ(1)] + 2m’[r'r(1) + rθ'θ(1)] + (m”r) r(1)

F = [d²(m r)/dt² - (m r)θ'²]r(1) + (1/mr)[d(m²r²θ')/d t]θ(1) = [-GmM/r²]r(1)

d² (m r)/dt² – (m r) θ’² = -GmM/r²; d (m²r²θ’)/d t = 0

Let m =constant: M=constant

d²r/dt² – r θ’²=-GM/r² —— I

d(r²θ’)/d t = 0 —————–II

r²θ’=h = constant ————– II
r = 1/u; r’ = -u’/u² = – r²u’ = – r²θ’(d u/d θ) = -h (d u/d θ)
d (r²θ’)/d t = 2rr’θ’ + r²θ” = 0 r” = – h d/d t (du/d θ) = – h θ’(d²u/d θ²) = – (h²/r²)(d²u/dθ²)
[- (h²/r²) (d²u/dθ²)] – r [(h/r²)²] = -GM/r²
2(r’/r) = – (θ”/θ’) = 2[λ + ỉ ω (t)] – h²u² (d²u/dθ²) – h²u³ = -GMu²
d²u/dθ² + u = GM/h²
r(θ, t) = r (θ, 0) Exp [λ + ỉ ω (t)] u(θ,0) = GM/h² + Acosθ; r (θ, 0) = 1/(GM/h² + Acosθ)
r ( θ, 0) = h²/GM/[1 + (Ah²/Gm)cosθ]
r(θ,0) = a(1-ε²)/(1+εcosθ) ; h²/GM = a(1-ε²); ε = Ah²/GM

r(0,t)= Exp[λ(r) + ỉ ω (r)]t; Exp = Exponential

r = r(θ , t)=r(θ,0)r(0,t)=[a(1-ε²)/(1+εcosθ)]{Exp[λ(r) + ì ω(r)]t} Nahhas’ Solution

If λ(r) ≈ 0; then:

r (θ, t) = [(1-ε²)/(1+εcosθ)]{Exp[ỉ ω(r)t]

θ’(r, t) = θ’[r(θ,0), 0] Exp{-2ỉ[ω(r)t]}

h = 2π a b/T; b=a√ (1-ε²); a = mean distance value; ε = eccentricity
h = 2πa²√ (1-ε²); r (0, 0) = a (1-ε)

θ’ (0,0) = h/r²(0,0) = 2π[√(1-ε²)]/T(1-ε)²
θ’ (0,t) = θ’(0,0)Exp(-2ỉwt)={2π[√(1-ε²)]/T(1-ε)²} Exp (-2iwt)

θ’(0,t) = θ’(0,0) [cosine 2(wt) - ỉ sine 2(wt)] = θ’(0,0) [1- 2sine² (wt) - ỉ sin 2(wt)]
θ’(0,t) = θ’(0,t)(x) + θ’(0,t)(y); θ’(0,t)(x) = θ’(0,0)[ 1- 2sine² (wt)]
θ’(0,t)(x) – θ’(0,0) = – 2θ’(0,0)sine²(wt) = – 2θ’(0,0)(v/c)² v/c=sine wt; c=light speed

Δ θ’ = [θ'(0, t) - θ'(0, 0)] = -4π {[√ (1-ε) ²]/T (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ²} radians/second
{(180/π=degrees) x (36526=century)

Δ θ’ = [-720x36526/ T (days)] {[√ (1-ε) ²]/ (1-ε) ²}(v/c) = 1.04°/century

This is the T-Rex equation that is going to demolished Einstein’s space-jail of time

The circumference of an ellipse: 2πa (1 – ε²/4 + 3/16(ε²)²—) ≈ 2πa (1-ε²/4); R =a (1-ε²/4)
v (m) = √ [GM²/ (m + M) a (1-ε²/4)] ≈ √ [GM/a (1-ε²/4)]; m<<M; Solar system

v = v (center of mass); v is the sum of orbital/rotational velocities = v(cm) for DI Her
Let m = mass of primary; M = mass of secondary

v (m) = primary speed; v(M) = secondary speed = √[Gm²/(m+M)a(1-ε²/4)]
v (cm) = [m v(m) + M v(M)]/(m + M) All rights reserved. joenahhas1958@yahoo.com

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