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Abrams: Star Trek Is Worth The Wait August 22, 2008

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JJ Abrams and pals are gearing up for the September 9th premiere of their new TV show Fringe. In a new interview promoting the show at TV Guide, Abrams was also asked about his Star Trek movie where he described what what we have in store in May 2009 and what it was like working with Leonard Nimoy.


 

Excerpts from TV Guide

ON TREK

TV Guide: On "Trek," one of the people you worked with was Leonard freakin’ Nimoy!
JJ Abrams: I know! But it’s funny, because it wasn’t until very recently that it really hit me how cool that was. There was so much work to do during the shoot and there were so many fires that needed putting out that there wasn’t much time to sit and acknowledge the reality of working with him. Then the other day I was watching the movie, and there he was. There was Spock! And it hit me like, "Holy s—!" [laughs] It was kind of like a huge delay.

TV Guide: There are still nearly nine months until "Trek"’s release. What can you tell us?
JJ Abrams: All I can say is that I think this movie is going to be worth the wait. It’s blessed with a wonderful optimism and an incredibly alive and invested cast. While the visual effects are gonna be unbelievable, the movie is working right now with only 50 of our 1,000-plus visual effects finished. It’s funny, it’s scary, it’s dramatic, emotional and entertaining–all without having the stuff you’d think a movie called "Star Trek" would require. That to me is exciting.

ON FRINGE/LOST CONNECTION

TV Guide: The first episode opens with a troubled flight. Was it an intentional nod to Lost?
JJ Abrams: It’s almost embarrassing, but I wasn’t even thinking about that. The idea for that sequence came to me, and then I thought, "Oh , Lord." [Laughs] Then I was like, "Do we change it?" But the story could not be less like Lost. To me, there’s just something about airplanes. I was obsessed with the "Airport" movies when I was a kid. I saw all of them, including "The Concorde–Airport ’79." So it’s a place that’s kind of a go-to for me. But I’m guessing I can’t really do another airplane thing for a while.

Read the full interview in the current TV Guide. Scan available at SpoilerTV.

 

See Abrams at the New York Television Festival
On Saturday September 13th the cast and producers of Fringe will engage in a discussion at a screening for Fringe at the New York Television Festival’s ‘Premiere Week.’ More info at nytvf.com.


"Fringe" creators (and Star Trek ‘Supreme Court’ members) Roberto Orci, JJ Abrams and Alex Kurtzman at Fox Upfront announcements in May

 

 

 

Comments

1. Duncan MacLeod - August 22, 2008

I think more and more, that Nimoy as spock will legitimize this and pass the torch properly. I love shatner to death, but he is pretty fat.

2. Ed G. - August 22, 2008

don’t you mean phat?

3. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - August 22, 2008

AMAZING

4. star trackie - August 22, 2008

“..I love shatner to death, but he is pretty fat.”

And NImoy’s face could hold a three day rain…so what? He IS an older Spock. If an older Kirk somehow makes it into the movie, and he is ” fat” , so be it. News flash…when we die..we don’t look the same as we did when we were born.

And it’s great to hear the movie is carrying itself on the drama alone. TOS was never EVER about the special FX. If they’ve really managed to convey a great story that doesn’t rely on those “jaw dropping” FX, then they have won half the battle and are definitely barking up the right tree.

5. Odkin - August 22, 2008

Does anyone know if Alex Kurtzman is related to the late comic art genius Harvey Kurtzman? Except for the hair, he looks an awful lot like him…

6. The Underpants Monster - August 22, 2008

Orci, Abrams, and Kurtzman look like fraternal triplets separated at birth.

ROFL at JJ’s moment of realization about having Nimoy in his film. That’s how it so often happens when you pull off something you never realized you could!

7. CmdrR - August 22, 2008

No it’s not! RELEASE IT NOW!

8. CmdrR - August 22, 2008

**hiss of hypospray**

9. CmdrR - August 22, 2008

What the???
I was on the bridge?
Doc, can I go to the movie?

10. Closettrekker - August 22, 2008

#3—You have to admit, he did avoid using that word. I guess he substituted “unbelievable” in its place.

“It’s funny, it’s scary, it’s dramatic, emotional and entertaining–all without having the stuff you’d think a movie called “Star Trek” would require. That to me is exciting.

Wait until the sharks get hold of that one. I can picture it already…”What does he mean—- “…all without having the stuff you’d think a movie called “Star Trek” would require”?

I predict about a dozen posts before it begins…

11. MARIKO - August 22, 2008

i’ld love to see mister shatner in the movie,even he looked like a macy’s thanksgiving day parade balloon.just won’t feel right with him not in the movie.

12. Captain Otter - August 22, 2008

#10- I’m sure that the Statler and Waldorf crowd will take that quote and run for miles.

Personally, I took JJ to mean that this film won’t be full of techno-bable and Deus Ex Machina- solutions to every problem which presents itself.

If that is the case, then I will be a happy camper.

13. Joe Schmoe - August 22, 2008

To my surprise, Cloverfield and Transformers were both setting there available at my local library the other day. I missed them in the theaters, and with the Star Trek connection to the producers of both movies, I had to check them out.

Cloverfield was cool to watch once, but I can’t say I care to see it again. The approach to the storytelling was novel, but when it ended I was left unsatisfied (without spoiling the movie). But that’s just me.

Transformers was of course comic-bookish, and I was graduating high school when the original Transformers was the rage. So I had no expections for this movie, and my knowledge of the Transformers was that they are robots that turn into cars. That’s it.

I thought the movie was good for its genre, but I had a hard time suspending my disbelief. I would call it a teen movie (if it weren’t for the older fans of the original cartoon and toys). But I guess you can’t blame the writers, it was the universe they were working within. But truth be told, I fell asleep with 30 minutes to go, and had to finish watching it the next night.

Now for the show Lost, I like it. And Mission Impossible 3 was pretty good, too.

So I can’t say really if this new Star Trek movie is going to be a slam dunk or not, based on JJ Abrams et al. I guess it’s got a better chance to be good as opposed to the previous administration, but that’s not saying a whole lot.

It still seems to me that the only guy who got Star Trek right in the movie franchise was Harve Bennett. Is JJ Abrams the next Harve Bennett? That remains to be seen. I hope so, I really do.

14. star trackie - August 22, 2008

“It still seems to me that the only guy who got Star Trek right in the movie franchise was Harve Bennett.”

Yep. Hopefully that will change next year.

15. Kirk here - August 22, 2008

This movie has *got* to work out. Look at those three guys. Aren’t those three as nerdy as any three guys you’ve ever seen at a convention?

16. Doug - August 22, 2008

Lets not pick on people here, ok? picking on Shatner for his weight opens the door for all kinds of unflattering (or flattering depending on your perspective) comments. I could just as easily say that in the photo Orci looks like Mo from the 3 stooges…JJ looks like a jewish Clark Kent and Kurtzman looks like a gay Robert Downey Jr. But I wouldn’t do that because I like these guys. Lets be civil. (In the interest of full disclosure, I look like Jay Leno and Norm from Cheers had a baby together)

17. Wolf Trek - August 22, 2008

As a life long fan of Trek, I am looking forward to next year’s release. Unlike the hardcore fans, I’m open to the much needed new view of this classic franchise. I just hope these fans can live with a movie that is fresh and new and not insist on a tired old rehash of what’s been seen before (repeatedly). That’s what DVDs are for. Since Roddenberry’s death, the franchise had lost its sense of direction and retreated into the old and familiar. I’m ready to see if JJ can pull off a “course correction” and get us back on track to what might have been / should have been.

18. OneBuckFilms - August 22, 2008

I really enjoyed Lost, and I think Cloverfield was enjoyable, as was M:I:III.

The one thing about M:I:III that I think is especially applicable to Star Trek is the fact that it adapts the basic formula of the original series to a more current sensibility.

19. Closettrekker - August 22, 2008

18 posts without an attack on Abrams phrasing?

…I’m impressed, although I didn’t expect an assault on Shatner in this thread…maybe that was just enough of a distraction.

20. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - August 22, 2008

#16

“(In the interest of full disclosure, I look like Jay Leno and Norm from Cheers had a baby together)”

Thanks for putting the lovely vision of that coupling in my head. On a related note, what’s up with JJ’s chin? Is that a clovis or folsom point?

21. Vulcan Soul - August 22, 2008

“It’s funny, it’s scary, it’s dramatic, emotional and entertaining–all without having the stuff you’d think a movie called “Star Trek” would require. That to me is exciting. ”

– Without a cerebral, ideas-driven science fiction story… gotcha ;)

22. Beam Me Up - August 22, 2008

I thought Cloverfield was good. Nice visuals, and a really cool epic feel to the movie even though you only follow like four people in the movie

Transformers was not a teen movie. There’s 2 teen agers in it, and only one is really the focus. Great action and visuals. The Transformers were finally cool.

23. Denise de Arman - August 22, 2008

Closet#19- But…(stutters, hems and haws…)…well, what DOES JJ mean by that, Closet? As Spock would phrase it, SPECIFY.

24. Kirk here - August 22, 2008

To #16: I wasn’t picking on anyone. AAMOF, I was complimenting them.

I’m a nerd, and proud of it. “Cool” is *way* over-rated. Cool means “lacking warmth”, or “dispassionate”, or “unaffected”; who wants that?

Nerds have fun, and aren’t (or shouldn’t be) embarrassed about it.

25. Paulaner - August 22, 2008

#21 “Without a cerebral, ideas-driven science fiction story… gotcha ;)”

We are talking about a very delicate balancing matter. I am all about cerebral stories (TMP is my favourite movie) but if you want to go mainstream, as Abrams is trying to do, you have to accept compromises between “heavy cerebral” and “light entertaining”. Something in the middle is desirable, because I, as a hard-core fan, really want Star Trek going mainstream.

26. Al Hartman - August 22, 2008

If JJ wanted to help the time pass more quickly, he’d release some photos from the new movie.

1. Pics of the bridge.
2. Pics of the cast in costume.
3. Pics of the Enterprise.
4. Pics of Transporter Room and Engine Room.
5. Pics of the Phasers, Communicators and Tricorders.

Something for fans to ENJOY while we wait…

You don’t have to release plot details….

Just some stuff, so we can build up excitement.

Being stingy and witholding the pictures and information is NOT building interest and excitement. It’s just pissing fans off.

Feeding the fans who will tell friends and non-fans about the movie is the best viral marketing campaign Paramount can have.

Playing “Keep Away” with the fans is the surest way to piss us off and have us not promote the film.

27. Beam Me Up - August 22, 2008

I hope we get some decent stills in the next few months. Maybe a trailer in front of Eagle Eye?

28. classictrek - August 22, 2008

I must admit im dismayed to read comments like post number #1.

To dismiss shatner because he is ‘fat’ is pretty lame. i hope i look as good as Mr Shatner does when im in my 70’s. I just dont expect this from Star trek fans who i think by and large are open minded and not prone to cheap remarks.

Greg UK

29. krikzil - August 22, 2008

>>Wait until the sharks get hold of that one. I can picture it already…”What does he mean—- “…all without having the stuff you’d think a movie called “Star Trek” would require”? I predict about a dozen posts before it begins…

We already mocked it in Chat days ago –secret decoder rings and all — and moved on. :)

>>Nerds have fun, and aren’t (or shouldn’t be) embarrassed about it.

Nerds Rule!

As for Transformers and Cloverfield. I thought C was a good idea but I can’t say I really liked the movie. Weak actors spoiled it for me. However, I really did like Transformers which surprised me. I am very curious about Fringe and hope it’s something I enjoy.

30. Dr. B. - August 22, 2008

You know……all there is talk, talk, talk, talk, about the new movie. We got a really uninteresting teaser trailer that after one view – you forget about it.
We have seen a couple teaser posters of characters, which again after one or two looks…….you are done.

I can appreciate JJ keeping a lid on things, but they are not giving us much to get excited about. To me reading all these F’n articles about the same things being said over, and over and over again – is about as interesting as watching flies f**k.
With 9 months to go…..the hype is losing its momentum IMO. Start leaking this thing, pics and/or a new trailer soon – because at this point I could care less……

31. SpikedCanon - August 22, 2008

#26 I have been saying that from the beginning. I couldn’t believe how long it took them to get those posters out!! It’s imperative that they get people talking about this thing….pics will help

32. Eric Cheung - August 22, 2008

I took “It’s funny, it’s scary, it’s dramatic, emotional and entertaining–all without having the stuff you’d think a movie called ‘Star Trek’ would require. That to me is exciting. ” to mean that he’s watching a rough cut without the special effects and sound effects in. The things “you’d think a movie called ‘Star Trek’ would require” are coming.

33. Brett Campbell - August 22, 2008

28 – Well said, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.

34. Duncan MacLeod - August 22, 2008

Maybe i should be a little more specific when im being sarcastic about the Fat part. Hell Doohan was hella fat.

35. Duncan MacLeod - August 22, 2008

Seriously folks, i said it so flippantly i didnt think so many people would take me serious. It was IN JEST IE a “STUPID REASON NOT TO PUT HIM IN THE MOVIE”

Some times i think we star trek fans (YES I SAID WE) take things WAAAAAAY too seriously

36. cloudsfather - August 22, 2008

So, William Phatner?

37. Drew - August 22, 2008

One picture I don’t think they will release is of the crew put together to begin the five-year mission. For some reason, I feel like that is going to be the payoff to the whole movie.

38. SPB - August 22, 2008

HERE’S THE INTERVIEW WE’LL NEVER READ:

MovieTVSci-FiGuide: “So, tell us about the new STAR TREK film you’re working on, J.J.!”

J.J.: “Um, yeah… I think we’re in trouble. We’re way behind on the special effects and what’s done looks pretty crappy–way too much CGI. The script needs a complete overall–I think we wrote ourselves into a corner, but it’s too late now. We can fudge some reshoots, but I’m not sure the film is going to make much sense, storywise. And quite frankly, the actors… oh, Jesus, they’re terrible. I don’t know what I was thinking. They look fine, but they never clicked. I’m sure I’ll churn out another TV show, but I’m afraid Trekkies are gonna have my head after this. I think I screwed the pooch. It’s a DISASTER!!!”

(What else is he gonna say???) :)

39. Bored Trek Fan - August 22, 2008

snooze… .. J.J… I am losing interest.. and frankly, I am sick of everyone telling me how wonderful this is going to be.. .. until we see some visuals, count me out of the hype machine.. I am so bored with everything.. it’s the same old, same old.. time and time again….

40. Thomas - August 22, 2008

Guys,
There is something you’re going to want to hear. This morning, Kevin Smith did a radio interview with KROQ-Fm in Los Angeles, where sort oftiptoeing around it, he mentions getting to see Star Trek just last night.
You can hear it at: http://www.kevinandbeanarchive.com.
Click on the “Check out all the audio here” link, then click on the link for “August 22 Friday”. After you click the link, scroll down to
“12 Kevin Smith-2008-08-22-More.mp3″. Click for the interview, but you have to download. He mentions it right after his mention of Watchmen.

41. Patience is an alien word - August 22, 2008

26. Al Hartman – August 22, 2008
“If JJ wanted to help the time pass more quickly, he’d release some photos from the new movie.”
“Playing “Keep Away” with the fans is the surest way to piss us off and have us not promote the film.”

And so, in other words…
Christmas is only a little more than 4 months away… so we want presents NOW to hold us over and keep us from being mad at you and lose all interest in Christmas.
And then…. the real Christmas presents better be DAM good. And they better be what we asked for, or we will moan and tell the whole world how bad and mean you are.

What happened to patience?

42. One Of The Origional Treckkers - August 22, 2008

Duncan MacLeod needs to visit:
naafa.org
You two, cloudsfather, before you spoil everyone’s chance to have any fun.

43. Patience is an alien word - August 22, 2008

39. Bored Trek Fan – August 22, 2008

They aren’t here to entertain you until the premiere and they didn’t invite anyone to take part in the “hype machine” .

Give it time.

44. Patience is an alien word - August 22, 2008

#42 One Of The Origional Treckkers – August 22, 2008

(ummmm… you need to visit spellcheck.com, too many dyslexic letters in your handle there, bud)

45. Thomas - August 22, 2008

If no one followed the link in my previous post (post #40) the gist of Kevin Smith’s statements are that the movie is awesome, was made by talented, capable people and performers, and that the lead actor (he doesn’t mention who, but I think he means Chris Pine) stepped into a difficult role and did it extremely well, and that this movie will make him, in Kevin Smith’s words, ” an instant star”. Still, I would go back to post #40 and listen to the interview. He also gives a lot of praise to Watchmen.

46. Lawrence Boucher - August 22, 2008

#40, thanks for the link. I just listened to it and Smith definitely sounded impressed (even if they were being all coy about it since he wasn’t allowed to talk about it).

47. Captain Scokirk - August 22, 2008

You know It’s not so much that William Shatner is fat that is a problem, I mean Shatner looks great for his age, but he is overweight, and while that doesnt really matter for Denny Crane or that buffoon he plays in the Miss Congeniality movies “Captain Kirk” shouldnt look that way, Rewatching Generations shows Shatner in a decent physical condition to say good bye to the character, now in his present condition it takes away from the heroic persona of Captain Kirk.

What about Nimoy you say? Well aside from him being in great physical shape, the older and wrinklier he gets the better he looks because Vulcans live to be 250 years old right? So the Character acomodates the aging of the actor.

48. Beam Me Up - August 22, 2008

Why is Kevin Smith always the go to reviewer person? His movies are terrible. I don’t care if Kevin Smith liked the movie. He’s never made anything I’VE liked.

49. Nichol The Younger - August 22, 2008

Sorry, not good enough, Duncan MacLeod in #34.

NAAFA sounds like a good idea. Start with their page on “MYTHS that ignorant people like to perpetuate about heavy people”. You may not fully realize it yet, but YOU are one of those unfortunate people.

I love William Shatner, EXACTLY for who he is. Not for the artificial, knee-jerk way “you”seem to think he should be!

50. Thomas - August 22, 2008

48. I gave his word creedence because he has no major incentive to give this movie a glowing review. I admit that I’m not much of a fan of his movies either, but I’ve heard him do radio interviews on KROQ tons of times and he always comes across as a funny, intelligent, generally likeable guy.

51. Captain Scokirk - August 22, 2008

Oh and there are always going to be folks who raise eyebrows at Mr. Abrams statements because while for the most part respectful they always include some line about how great this movie is shaping up to be inspite of its source material. I’ll be the first to say there is plenty of crappy Star Trek, but at its best it as entertaining and well put together as any genre, and I think its these occasional lines that these “creative genuises” will spin gold from straw and Trek will “finally” connect with the masses. Make no mistake I hope they suceed but I think that undercurrent is there in most of these interviews. Nimoy has always “gotten” Trek and so his endorsement asuages all of my fears, at his age, station in life he has no motivation to participate in this except out of regard for the project, that having been said how do you film a whole movie without “realizing” your working with an icon? These are the occacional red flags that for me are supressed only by Nimoy’s active endorsement.

52. SpikedCanon - August 22, 2008

48 did you listen?

He said “it is phenominal. its fantastic. if anyone was worying they shouldn’t. it was in very capable hands, top notch. the guy that has the lead will be an instant star. he will be soooo famous. (I believe he is talking about Chris Pine)

53. Green-Blooded-Bastard - August 22, 2008

Orci, you listening? I need a pic of the new Enterprise for my desktop wallpaper STAT! Hook a brother up!

Btw, you look like you really need a beer in that shot, man. Like you’d been having your picture taken all day and was ready to strangle a photographer.

54. Nichol The Younger - August 22, 2008

Patience is an alien word in #44.
So now dyslexics are the new subhumans, now that fat people are being defended.
Whats wrong, do you really miss racism that much?

55. montreal paul - August 22, 2008

http://tanman1.deviantart.com/gallery/

56. montreal paul - August 22, 2008

oops.. hit send before adding the message… check out this guys version of the movie poster… VERY nice work!!

57. Thomas - August 22, 2008

55,56. Interesting work, but along the lines of stuff we’ve seen in Trek posters before.

58. classictrek - August 22, 2008

these comments about weight are pretty sad. i really didnt expect to find this kind on stuff on a star trek forum. being over weight is a human condition, some people are large, some small, some tall some short, some black and some white etc etc. its just us…the human race. people shouldnt be singled out for stick because they fall into one of these catagories. Shatner would look brilliant in the movie overweight or not – he’s Captain James T Kirk.

whats happened to tolerance, diversity and respect for each other.

Greg UK

59. Smike van Dyke - August 22, 2008

#41: But that’s the point! CHRISTMAS should have been the release date! Waiting another 5 months beyond that date, knowing that in May competition will keep this movie from even being noticed, is intolerable.

So far we’ve seen really bad monochrome character posters. These posters don’t look exciting at all. The teaser was kind of interesting but far too shirt. They should have kept with the original air date, presented the full trailer with The Dark Knight and we would have gotten the biggest SciFi hit ever. Now it’s gonna be torn apart by Wolverine, the T 800 and Dan Brown! Oh well, and Hannah Montana’s gotta provide the obituary hymn. Paramount will continue with Transformers Parts 3 to 6 and Trek will be gone for another 10 years. THNX and NTHNX…

60. Hairy Ballz - August 22, 2008

Yeah maybe if Shatner is in it.

61. montreal paul - August 22, 2008

#41 – Smike van Dyke….

Wow.. I have heard negativity before, but you have got to take the cake. Well, with you NOT seeing the new Trek movie… which do you plan on seeing then? It’s too bad people like you are so quick to judge a movie without even seeing it. Every IS entitled to their opinions.. but how about actually seeing the movie next year when it is finished and then make your jufgement of what you have seen.. not heard. If it sucks.. then fine.

62. Captain Scokirk - August 22, 2008

#56
Issues about Shatner’s weight is not about diversity/acceptance/tolerance (what about tolerance for divergent opinions?), its about whether an actor is physically suitable for a part, no one is saying he is a bad person or fat people are bad they simply are implying that his appearance could be distracting, and detrimental to the presentation of the character, the character is seperate from Shatner the actor ; you disaree?, obviously and that’s okay but it doesnt mean the poster is being intolerant.

63. Captain Scokirk - August 22, 2008

err. .. I mean #58

64. Brett Campbell - August 22, 2008

55/56 – Wow! That IS good stuff? Are they fan produced? If so, Paramount should hire him! There better than anything official that I’ve seen so far.

65. Brett Campbell - August 22, 2008

55/56 – Oops. That should have been an exclamation point rather than a question mark after “good stuff” because there’s no doubt about it that they are. Sorry about the misleading typo.

66. MORN SPEAKS - August 22, 2008

Abrams is definitely a guy I would like to meet.

67. Brett Campbell - August 22, 2008

62 – Kirk wouldn’t be the first formerly quite fit, retired military man to gain some weight in the golden years, and he probably won’t be the last. A good deal of it has to do with the slowing of metabolism as you age, and genetics, too. We are all just human. Even the larger-than-life heroes.

The point is for us, especially for us lifelong fans of Shatner’s portrayal of Kirk, is that he is gifted and charismatic as the actor who first brought the character to life and into the homes and hearts of millions, that his performance as an even older, wiser Kirk would transcend his physical appearance and clearly move a large base of fans who would love to see him with Nimoy one last time. In any case, it appears that it is not going to happen, but Shatner would clearly more than risen to the occasion if it had. He would have had us believing yet again that he was Captain James T. Kirk of the starship Enterprise.

68. yay blogs - August 22, 2008

put up or shut up, where is the trailer???

69. Spock with a Crowbar - August 22, 2008

BLAH ABLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH SAMESAME BLAHBLAH, AMAZING, UNBELIEVABLE, no new pics or real news.

Whoops, sorry, left my universal producer translator on…

70. P. Technobabble - August 22, 2008

#58 whats happened to tolerance, diversity and respect for each other.

I happened to be watching one of those Animal Planet programs about elephants. I was moved by how these creatures would take to a young elephant whose mother had been killed. Call it instinct, call it compassion, call it whatever, it smacked of something far more superior that human beings just standing by, watching another human being get beat up, or hit by a car, and so on. If I were from another planet, I’d much rather hang out with a colony of ants who show a far greater ability to cooperate than human beings do. People simply have a hard time getting along. Even people who supposedly belong to the same group, or organization, will disagree with each other, team-mates fighting within, and sometimes it leads to serious violence.

I have always taken Star Trek’s notion of a humanity that had advanced beyond the need of pettiness, violence, greed and destruction very seriously. I believe that Enlightenment (or some kind of tacit, profound understanding and realization about existence) is the only path that would lead toward mankind displaying some real tolerance or respect toward each other. We continue to advance technologically, but the human heart is just as petty, callous, and ignorant as it was 10,000 years ago, and just as ready to fight. Humanity’s greatest spiritual figures throughout history have pointed toward love as the highest act we can aspire to, and while mankind claims to hold such figures in high regards, their message of love goes pretty much ignored. And so we have a planet swarming with a species that aspires to what is less than love, what is less than cooperation and compassion, and what is less than understanding. $$$$$ is what is really significant, even though $$$$$ won’t save you from death or suffering.
Sorry to ramble, but it truly bothers me that there is so much conflict in the world, and it even has to enter into our little Trek Haven from time to time.

” It’s a wonder these people ever got out of the 20th century.”
Dr. Leonard McCoy

71. Patience is an alien word - August 22, 2008

54. Nichol The Younger – August 22, 2008
Patience is an alien word in #44.
“So now dyslexics are the new subhumans, now that fat people are being defended.
Whats wrong, do you really miss racism that much?”

__The statement wasn’t racist, just a colorful reminder to that poster that he had multiple typos in his handle. I never mentioned fat people and you are the only one bringing up anything regarding that post. I suggest you move on and bait someone who cares into an argument.

72. Patience is an alien word - August 22, 2008

59. Smike van Dyke – August 22, 2008
Don’t use my post to start up your tirade about the movie release date. My post mentioning Christmas had nothing to do with the original premiere date.
Attempt to make your points on your own. I don’t agree with your whole bitch session in #59 or your selfish ramble about what the studio and JJ didn’t do.

Don’t agree with the movie, plot, casting, ad campaign or opening date? Here’s some advice I know you won’t follow.

Don’t go.

73. Brett Campbell - August 22, 2008

70 Great points, and beliefs I’ve held for a long time. We’ve built nuclear spears but have not lost the impulse or blood lust to hurl them. Still Star Trek always held out hope. We have made it out of the 20th Century (great “Bones” quote from ST IV to sum up your point quite eloquently). Let’s pray that ideals like those embraced by Trek will see us through the 21st and beyond.

74. Spock with a Crowbar - August 22, 2008

Sorry to retread covered ground, but:

A lot of my posts may be pretty whiny and negative, but I agree that calling the Shat fat w/o any joking or mirth intended is pretty low. So only skinny people can look cool in a sci-fi movie?

You, sir, have no class.

75. Xai Ping - August 22, 2008

ok, enough about the fat comment. It wasn’t needed, shall we put this wagon train back on track?
—-

76. Harry Ballz - August 22, 2008

Don’t you mean “wagon train to the stars”?

77. Xai Ping - August 22, 2008

well I was kinda hinting at that

78. The Last Maquis - August 22, 2008

#39. Bored Trek Fan

Same Here.

79. Iowagirl - August 23, 2008

#58
– Shatner would look brilliant in the movie overweight or not – he’s Captain James T Kirk. –

Exactly.

#67
Well said. Amen to that.

80. Holger - August 23, 2008

>It’s funny, it’s scary, it’s dramatic, emotional and entertaining–all without having the stuff you’d think a movie called “Star Trek” would require. That to me is exciting.<

The obvious question here is of course: What the heck does that mean?, as was anticipated in post #10.
The obvious answer is: nothing, because it can mean anything.

Another question: What is JJ Abrams thinking when he’s giving such cryptic remarks? Or maybe he’s thinking nothing and it’s just automated Hollywood people’s blah blah. I really would like to know. Or maybe he’s stuck in the Lost mode: piling mysteries onto each other without any meaningful resolutions coming out at any time.
Anyway, I don’t like his approach. He could give some meaningful information without giving something away he shouldn’t. Other directors and producers have been able to do that, too. It just seems he doesn’t want to.
I am beginning to suspect that all this unnerving ambiguity, especially about the question of reboot vs. prequel, has a rationale: They don’t want to annoy the Trek fans with the truth. Let them first spend their money for tickets, and if they are p…ed off afterwards, who cares?
I sincerely hope this is just a paranoid fantasy of mine. But I have to admit: The more JJ talks about the movie, the worse my feeling gets (which was pretty positive form the start).

81. Brett Campbell - August 23, 2008

79 to me.

“Well said.”

You are very kind. Actually my post #67 was fairly garbled at the beginning, but I was pretty tired when I wrote it last night and I should have proofread it better before I posted it. I’m glad the gist of it came across all right.

In any case, it is always a pleasure to meet someone who is genuinely appreciative of all that Mr. Shatner did in helping to create this timeless character who has been a historic, iconic figure of global popular culture for over forty years.

There would be no new, upcoming reinterpretations of these roles if the original actors had not done such excellent work in bringing these characters to life and giving them a timeless, seamless chemistry. Plus great writing and directing have made this series a truly enduring classic.

When I was a kid there were a lot of aspiring sci-fi series on TV: “Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea,” “Time Tunnel,” “Land of the Giants,” and, of course, “Lost in Space.” The latter had been on for a year before “Trek” first aired. When Trek came on, my father told me (I was then six years old) that this was our new favorite show, and that it was much better than LiS. He’s long-gone now, but I am grateful to him for this formative influence. He was right. But even then I could sense that my mispronounced “Star Track” was the greatest show on TV. And where can you see reruns of most of these other series these days? They have become truly lost in space.

Thank you Messrs. Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, et al., plus all the great writers and directors who made “Star Trek” an enduring phenomenon that is surviving well into the 21st Century.

Amen, indeed.

82. Closettrekker - August 23, 2008

#21—“- Without a cerebral, ideas-driven science fiction story… gotcha”

So it took 21 posts?

Star Trek (in the TOS-era) has always been more character-driven than anything else. Even the social commentary took a backseat to the relationships among the “Big Three”. It has been said from the beginning that this film will be character-driven, and in fact, it focuses on the origins of those very relationships.

I think what Abrams is referring to is some of what mainstream audiences find unattractive about Trek (and TOS in particular). This would be consistent with previous statements as well. There is no reason to believe otherwise. Remember that he is not talking to someone from AICN or trekmovie.com. This interview was given to a very mainstream source—Tv Guide.

Like any good product marketer, JJ Abrams will implement one strategy for that audience, and another for “ours”. That is no different than how I approach advertsing my product. The ad is always different, depending on who is represented in that particular medium. I, for example, would not run the same ad in “Men’s Health” that I ran in “Cosmopolitan” or “Good Houskeeping” (just hypothetical examples, as I do not actually advertise in any of those specific periodicals).

#30—-“With 9 months to go…..the hype is losing its momentum IMO”

That’s funny. The “hype” hasn’t begun yet. IMO, STXI will only be able to sustain a 3-4 month storm of aggressive advertisement and the employment of a full-blown hype machine geared toward the crossover audience this film is targeting. Christmastime will be about 4.5 months out from the May release date, so that sounds about right. I think we’ll get a real trailer at that time, and then these folks will be out promoting STXI, instead of simply answering a question here and there when they are actually out promoting things which are in more immediate need of it.

In keeping with the analogy to my business, I do not “hype” a new line of product with full-blown intensity 8-9 months from its debut. That would be an absurd misallocation of resources. You “strike while the iron is hot”. The “iron” isn’t even warm yet…

83. Xai Ping - August 23, 2008

There’s no “need” to move things along or see more clips this moment. It’s “want” and “desire” on the part of fans.
I can understand people wanting to see more now, but don’t disguise it with expressions like “this is hurting the film” or things like now.

84. Iowagirl - August 23, 2008

#81
– I’m glad the gist of it came across all right. –

It did! :)

My father introduced me to Trek, too, so I understand very well what you mean. Fortunately, he’s still with me following the XI discussions.
I’ll never stop appreciating the original actors’ accomplishments, the chemistry, growing up with their interpretation of the characters which made Kirk & Co. “real” persons and friends you could and can relate to – I’m grateful for that.

85. Brett Campbell - August 23, 2008

84 Me too. Grateful that is. That’s why I’m very concerned that this new interpretation really does honor the original. Can’t say as I really need to see some montage in it over some band’s aspiration for a hit single, and the MTV video to accompany. But it will most likely happen. That’s how they market it to a new generation.

I feel I have something of a right to be a little nervous about proceedings. My favorite movie from childhood (heck, it still is to this day) was “Planet of the Apes” and it was one of the few I remember seeing in a theater (old style — from a balcony! :-D) with my dad. The ending on the big screen, seen for the first time, and the audience reaction it, were incredible. So, I went to Tim Burton’s 2001 remake with, I felt, justified trepidations. And you know what? The thing was an even worse pile of crap than I could ever have feared or imagined, or, echoing the hype of its release, that Mr. Burton could have “re-imagined.” And one critic back then crucified it against that line of hype for being one of the most unimaginative re-imaginings one could ever imagine. Pick a peck of pickled peppers.

Let’s please hope and pray that the same, or near to it, doesn’t happen to our beloved Trek. This film, after this delayed opening of another half-year, the rumors, the subtle hype (sure full-blown is to follow, but the folks at Paramount are fully aware of the Pavlovian responses they are getting from us as each little tidbit they toss becomes just a leedle more savory), the endorsements of celebrities (thank goodness Nimoy says its good — that’s the only thing that puts me at ease), and all the other “clandestine-ish” activities around this project make it something that has a great deal to live up to. Let’s sincerely hope and pray that Abrams and company can pull this off and make this a film that was worth the wait and that will bear repeated viewings over the years.

86. wes - August 23, 2008

“All I can say is that I think this movie is going to be worth the wait.”
Ive said this a 10000000 times, what else is he going to say, that it is not worth the wait? Also, a good question to ask would be
‘ Trek was originally going to be one of the only movies coming out in May, how do you feel about the competition?’

He would probably have a stupid answer like Rick Berman had before Nemesis came out. but, it is still worth asking…….

87. Marian Ciobanu - August 23, 2008

- As a die hard trek fan , i can’t wait to see the new movie…i personally expect to see a modern sci-fi movie combined with the well known trek elements..
I don’t see the reason which makes some fans to split the trek universe in so many parts…such as modern era and classic era…

88. Closettrekker - August 23, 2008

#86—“Ive said this a 10000000 times, what else is he going to say, that it is not worth the wait?”

Of course not. But if there were problems, as Anthony is fond of pointing out, there would likely have been indicators of that as is most often the case.

“Trek was originally going to be one of the only movies coming out in May, how do you feel about the competition?”

I can’t speak for JJ Abrams, but I don’t see any competition which would interfere with the film’s potential at the box office. STXI should rule the box office for at least a week, and in the Summer movie mix—that’s all it takes to be a big hit.

89. Xai Ping - August 23, 2008

Always amazed that some fans have so little faith in something they supposedly enjoy. It’s only been around 40+ years and despite highs and lows, always seems to be there in some form or another.

This movie will be fine. We’d be hearing things if it wasn’t.

90. classictrek - August 23, 2008

#70
what a great post – thanks. i agree entirley.
didnt Khan say ‘there has been technological advances but how little man has changed’. agree with your Dr McCoy quote too. its a miracle these people ever got out of the 20th century.

im heartened by those here who have taken the time to support me on this subject. Its a nonsense to sugest that only ‘fit’ people can possible fulfill the role.

we have a long way to go before we can get to Gene’s world of humanity.

Greg UK

91. Q - August 23, 2008

” #89- Always amazed that some fans have so little faith in something they supposedly enjoy. It’s only been around 40+ years and despite highs and lows, always seems to be there in some form or another.

This movie will be fine. We’d be hearing things if it wasn’t.”

Well, one looses faith when the movie is pushed back 5 months, though they had a trailer and other advertising materials with 12/25. also, since everyone is saying how great of a movie this is going to be it had better be a great movie and if things were screwed up we would not be hearing about them…

92. Xai Ping - August 23, 2008

91. Q – August 23, 2008

Well sorry, this one hasn’t lost faith.
Schedules change…. so? It was explained and it’s not a big secret conspiracy as to why.
We’ve heard from a few sources (via trekmovie) that the movie looks good and the only people that are saying it’s bad… haven’t seen it.

Hmmm.

93. Jim Nightshade - August 23, 2008

You guys have brought up several excellent points. Trekmovie.com is a very entertaining website. The best Star Trek related website on the net. Star Trek .com is a joke. What makes this site great besides Anthonys awesome news reporting and his sense of what we like to read about are all the posts all of you guys make. It amazes me most of the time how PETTY and close minded, self obsessed so many fans seem to be based on their posts mostly negative against anything other than their Narrow Views on what they like or love. Everybody else is wrong, all the series except one are crap anybody who likes Berman is crazy blah blah….so even if the fat comment was meant as a joke, it is nice to see people trying to respond to it positively and accepting and caring. Thanks, maybe there is some hope for us trek fans after all! haha!

Oh I loved the comment about the other tv shows on at the time….Maybe we should get Okuda to start to redo the effex on Lost in Space so it could find a whole new audience….what?? Carrot Aliens??? Dr Smith? Zorro as the Captain/dad head of family? Hmmm ok well maybe the stories would NOT hold up as well as Star Trek……Land of the Giants! Fitsu the Dr. Smith Clone! heehhe Actually I like Irwin Allen and as a kid enjoyed most of those shows. At least they were more exciting to kids than many other shows of the time. But yeh I got a dvd of Lost in Space…Its so bad I cant even watch it now…The memories as a kid watching were better…but even then I knew Star Trek was the Best show….and it still is. And ironically the remastered version is on every sat afternoon on the same channel it was on back in syndication days….and its ratings are better than ever…imagine that!

94. Paulaner - August 24, 2008

#55

First poster (“The Future Begins”) is awesome.
The others would be nice, but I don’t like at all the “refitted” Enterprise.

95. Holger - August 24, 2008

93: I think you are exaggerating. Many posters here explicitly express personal opinions (particularly on favorite series etc.). I don’t know what’s so narrow-minded about stating what one’s favorite is. There may be some to which your description applies, but overall you paint too grim a picture of Trek fans.

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