Comments on: Pegg: Star Trek Not A Remake http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/ the source for Star Trek news and information Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:22:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Closettrekker http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/comment-page-4/#comment-988325 Closettrekker Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:04:54 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/#comment-988325 #173---I walked outside a minute ago to empty my office trash. It's friggin' hot and humid. I'll stay inside in the air-conditioning (I pay good money for it). #173—I walked outside a minute ago to empty my office trash. It’s friggin’ hot and humid. I’ll stay inside in the air-conditioning (I pay good money for it).

]]> By: Shatner_Fan_2000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/comment-page-4/#comment-988193 Shatner_Fan_2000 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:30:28 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/#comment-988193 #172 ... Anytime you're using math to defend your position on Star Trek, it's time to go outside and get some sun! #172 … Anytime you’re using math to defend your position on Star Trek, it’s time to go outside and get some sun!

]]> By: Closettrekker http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/comment-page-4/#comment-987965 Closettrekker Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:22:33 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/#comment-987965 #171---It was my understanding that this thread had "unlimited nerd capacity". When did I exceed the "nerd limit", and what is the fine for such an offense? #171—It was my understanding that this thread had “unlimited nerd capacity”. When did I exceed the “nerd limit”, and what is the fine for such an offense?

]]> By: Shatner_Fan_2000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/comment-page-4/#comment-987825 Shatner_Fan_2000 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:34:56 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/#comment-987825 #169 ... Ok, you've officially exceeded the nerd capacity of this thread. Time to get back out on the sales floor and sell some armoires! :-) #169 … Ok, you’ve officially exceeded the nerd capacity of this thread. Time to get back out on the sales floor and sell some armoires! :-)

]]> By: Alex Rosenzweig http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/comment-page-4/#comment-986256 Alex Rosenzweig Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:19:43 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/#comment-986256 #147 - "Is your chronology online somewhere?" Actually, it isn't right now, but drop me a line at alexr@tellurian.com and I'll send it to you. #147 – “Is your chronology online somewhere?”

Actually, it isn’t right now, but drop me a line at alexr@tellurian.com and I’ll send it to you.

]]> By: Closettrekker http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/comment-page-4/#comment-985563 Closettrekker Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:54:47 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/#comment-985563 #168---Of course I have considered that, but you obviously haven't been reading my posts, nor do you remember the dialogue in TMP, apparently. "...5 years out there dealing with unknowns". If there were two 5-year missions, he would have said, "10 years out there...". He didn't. He said 5. 5+2.5=7.5 (amount of time between the start of the 5-year mission and TMP). 7.5+7.5=15 (amount of time between "Space Seed" and TWOK) Even if you concoct a hypothetical scenario (one that tiptoes around the dialogue) which leaves a bigger gap, it cannot involve Jim Kirk in command of a starship, especially for another 5 years. The "2.5 year line" is reinforced by Kirk telling Scotty that he has been COSFO for 2.5 years. It is not just the "star hours". He only has "5 years out there dealing with unknowns", hasn't "logged a single star hour in 2.5 years", and has been serving "2.5 years as COSFO". Sorry. Shoot that one down too...again. How many times are you guys going to suggest the same things which continue to contradict the dialogue? Just watch the movie and pay attention... #168—Of course I have considered that, but you obviously haven’t been reading my posts, nor do you remember the dialogue in TMP, apparently.

“…5 years out there dealing with unknowns”.

If there were two 5-year missions, he would have said, “10 years out there…”. He didn’t. He said 5.

5+2.5=7.5 (amount of time between the start of the 5-year mission and TMP).

7.5+7.5=15 (amount of time between “Space Seed” and TWOK)

Even if you concoct a hypothetical scenario (one that tiptoes around the dialogue) which leaves a bigger gap, it cannot involve Jim Kirk in command of a starship, especially for another 5 years.

The “2.5 year line” is reinforced by Kirk telling Scotty that he has been COSFO for 2.5 years. It is not just the “star hours”.

He only has “5 years out there dealing with unknowns”, hasn’t “logged a single star hour in 2.5 years”, and has been serving “2.5 years as COSFO”.

Sorry. Shoot that one down too…again. How many times are you guys going to suggest the same things which continue to contradict the dialogue? Just watch the movie and pay attention…

]]> By: eagle219406 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/comment-page-4/#comment-985385 eagle219406 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:59:37 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/#comment-985385 124: "I’m not going to go over it again, step by step, but the “proof” you ask for is in the simple mathematics." Here is another mathmatical equasion that you never considered. TMP could have taken place 5 years after the 5YM with TWOK taking place 5 years after that. 5+5+5=15. There was nothing to say that TWOK took place 7.5 years after TMP. Also the 2.5 years line could mean anything. He could have been doing an inspection tour of a ship where he was forced to take temporary command, hence logging a star hour. 124: “I’m not going to go over it again, step by step, but the “proof” you ask for is in the simple mathematics.”

Here is another mathmatical equasion that you never considered. TMP could have taken place 5 years after the 5YM with TWOK taking place 5 years after that. 5+5+5=15. There was nothing to say that TWOK took place 7.5 years after TMP. Also the 2.5 years line could mean anything. He could have been doing an inspection tour of a ship where he was forced to take temporary command, hence logging a star hour.

]]> By: BK613 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/comment-page-4/#comment-985238 BK613 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:05:14 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/#comment-985238 grrr ate my ASCII art so none ASCII art version 5YM I 2.5yrs I TMP I 7-8years I TWOK 5YM I gap I 2.5 yrs I TMP I gap I TWOK insert those under your saying i'm saying grrr ate my ASCII art so none ASCII art version

5YM I 2.5yrs I TMP I 7-8years I TWOK

5YM I gap I 2.5 yrs I TMP I gap I TWOK

insert those under your saying i’m saying

]]> By: BK613 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/comment-page-4/#comment-985220 BK613 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:00:26 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/#comment-985220 161 apparently you and I are both passionate about ST. no doubt about that. :-) your saying: all I'm saying is (gaps totaled = about 10 years) the dialogue isn't invalidated by either interpretation so IMO there isn't enough information to say with absolute certainty that one or the other is canon. There is no dialogue saying that time passed between the 5YM and the 2.5 years but there also is no dialogue that explicitly states that Kirk went straight into his CSO position upon completing the 5YM. The viewer is left to interpret the amount of time between the 5YM and TMP and viewer interpretations are not canon. IMO. There is certainly possibilities for Kirk in the intervening gap (assuming that it happened) that have precedence: Promotion to Fleet Captain like Chris Pike before him. Command of a starbase like Commodores Stone or Mendez. Command of a task force like Commodore Wesley. More likely IMO than leap-frogging from starship commander to admiral...without stopping at the established ranks along the way. 161
apparently you and I are both passionate about ST. no doubt about that. :-)

your saying:

all I’m saying is

(gaps totaled = about 10 years)

the dialogue isn’t invalidated by either interpretation so IMO there isn’t enough information to say with absolute certainty that one or the other is canon. There is no dialogue saying that time passed between the 5YM and the 2.5 years but there also is no dialogue that explicitly states that Kirk went straight into his CSO position upon completing the 5YM. The viewer is left to interpret the amount of time between the 5YM and TMP and viewer interpretations are not canon. IMO.

There is certainly possibilities for Kirk in the intervening gap (assuming that it happened) that have precedence: Promotion to Fleet Captain like Chris Pike before him. Command of a starbase like Commodores Stone or Mendez. Command of a task force like Commodore Wesley. More likely IMO than leap-frogging from starship commander to admiral…without stopping at the established ranks along the way.

]]> By: Of Bajor http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/comment-page-4/#comment-985186 Of Bajor Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:51:42 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/26/pegg-star-trek-not-a-remake/#comment-985186 Pegg's casting as Scotty is a stroke of pure genius! Pegg’s casting as Scotty is a stroke of pure genius!

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