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More Kirk Family Spoilers September 13, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Spoilers,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

Last month TrekMovie reported some spoilers related to the Kirk family in the new Star Trek movie. Now a new interview with one of the actors in the film confirms that report and provides some new details.
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Kirk’s evil uncle
Our earlier reporting was based on comments from Star Trek Enterprise actor Dominic Keating, who stated that he auditioned for the role of “Jim Kirk’s uncle” which he later told TrekMovie was Jim Kirk’s “evil stepfather.” TrekMovie had confirmed that the role Keating auditioned for eventually went to Brad William Henke (a regular on the ABC show October Road). Now Collider.com has a new interview with Henke in which he clarifies the uncle/stepfather thing and elaborates on the ‘evil’ thing too, saying:

I play Captain Kirk’s alcoholic, abusive uncle when he’s a kid, and I treat him very badly, which forces him to go off and do what he does..

He talks more about his time on the set and what it was like working with JJ Abrams. Go to Collider.com for the full interview. Henke also confirms that he does not have any scenes with Chris Pine and only works with the actor playing the younger Jim Kirk (played by Jimmy Bennet). TrekMovie has also confirmed that neither Chris Pine, nor Jimmy Bennett has any scenes with Chris Hemsworth, who plays George Kirk (Jim Kirk’s father).


Henke in “October Road”

 

Comments

1. Pragmaticus - September 13, 2008

So George Kirk is an absent father? Adds an extra wrinkle.

2. Enc - September 13, 2008

i dont know. something tells me to be worried.
but ill wait for moree news on this one.

3. elmachocombo - September 13, 2008

Jimmy! Go replicate me a beer. I said NOW DAMMIT!

4. sean - September 13, 2008

#1

My gut says George dies early on or is off on assignment in the fleet.

5. Energize - September 13, 2008

starring Gary Busey as the Uncle

6. RM10019 - September 13, 2008

I wonder if this movie will mention the fact that young Kirk lived on that colony from Dagger or the Mind?

7. Captain Dunsel - September 13, 2008

I wonder if he’s as mean as that other absent father, Jackson Roy Kirk.

8. RM10019 - September 13, 2008

#6 Sorry, that should have been Concience of the King

9. Tanner Waterbury - September 13, 2008

@ 3

But I donwanna replicate a beer!

10. Enc - September 13, 2008

3

wearing a black wife beater of course.
you know. black like the undershirts worn by the crew (and of course y not every one else) (u know continuity). and ’cause this is dark part of the story and the uncle.

11. MegaPhone Mutt - September 13, 2008

Do they still make Bud Light in the future?

12. jimj - September 13, 2008

“I said give me the brandy!”

13. Irishtrekkie - September 13, 2008

@8

yes i was wondering that too , cannon say kirk was on Tarsus IV colony when he was 12 i think ? .

14. Devon - September 13, 2008

# 2 “i dont know. something tells me to be worried.”

Voices…

15. fansince9 - September 13, 2008

Wow. This just keeps getting more interesting.

16. Irishtrekkie - September 13, 2008

”I don’t want my pain taken away! I NEED my pain!” (Star Trek V: The Final Frontier) lol and now we know what that pain is XD.

17. Enc - September 13, 2008

14

in my head.

18. Chris - September 13, 2008

Does this story seem way too long and elaborate for a 2 hour film? It just feels like we’re all over the place. When Kirk and Spock are young… when they’re at the academy… first mission on the Enterprise…. getting to know all of our famous crew…. our Spock Spock from the future….

19. Enc - September 13, 2008

16

quiet.
thats called continuity. :-D

20. Irishtrekkie - September 13, 2008

hmm , well i guess as good story teller , can fit every part in . i wonder how long the movie will be , like i really dont think they would do a 3 hour epic like say lord of the rings (i wish they would i know trek fans would love it ) but if they do have to cut lots of stuff out , please please hope they put it on a special dvd (directors edition or something ) with the stuff they cut out actually integrated back in the movie ( not just extras) . it would make sense .

21. TrekMadeMeWonder - September 13, 2008

Sounds like a Mind Meld! sequence.

22. Bob Tompkins - September 13, 2008

#18

Who says this movie has to come in under 2 hours? If it’s a captivating movie, people will come and sit for however long it takes to get to the end of the ride. 3 hours? Fine by me.

Something tells me that there is too much story and the suits at Paramount will start chopping pretty quickly to get it down to 2 hours- so just because an actor filmed some scenes, it doesn’t always follow that it doesn’t end up on the editing room floor. I’d hope Paramount will trust JJ Abrams with not only the first, but the final cut of the film. It’d be a shame if this movie ended up being directed by Alan Smithee. I hear they don’t do that anymore.

23. DGill - September 13, 2008

I actually love the idea of Jim Kirk being saddled with an alcoholic/abusive uncle. Not only does it add more dimension to the character, but it also validates the notion that this ‘Star Trek’ is definitely going to explore the human condition from all angles.

24. Irishtrekkie - September 13, 2008

@22

no i agree , 2 hours would be more then fine my me and even 3 hours , but i know studio’s get scared of making long movie , as they think the average person will not sit there for that amount of time , really i was just making the point , that i hope anything they do cut stuff out, i hope it makes it on to a dvd an is integrated back in the movie ( something which i dont think is done enough , but paramount are not fools they know what stat trek fans are like , and if there was a special 3 hour directors edition dvd of the movie , i sure it would sell bucket loads )

25. Thehaggard - September 13, 2008

On the 2 hour thing…
Remember… JJ Abe is well known for quick flashbacks laced throughout a story. The uncle may have a total of 29 seconds in the movie in a flashback were Kirk opens his eyes and we see he is in the middle of reprograming the Academy computers for the command leadership test.

26. asc-1138 - September 13, 2008

12. jimj – September 13, 2008
“I said give me the brandy!”

LOL…….Enemy Within

Love it

27. cd - September 13, 2008

So Kirk needs an abusive alcoholic uncle to get him to go into space…where did that come from? Sounds like a load of…psychobabble garbage to me. He can’t go for the wonder, for the freedom, for the desire to explore, for all the good reasons, he has to be driven by a traumatic childhood? This does not sound good at all. If this is indicative of how the new movie is going to be, I am down to very very very pessimistic about it.

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28. Chris - September 13, 2008

JJ Abrams is great with storytelling…. but I think that his flashback sequence tricks work better on TV than on the big screen. Flashbacks on the big screen just seem to come across as cheesy. It works on a larger scale like LOST because there’s multiple flashbacks…. and we see how they intertwine and learn more each time…. I don’t think that formula would work well on the big screen… but I could be wrong. Just throwing in my two cents.

As far as the length, nobody said it has to be 2 hours but that’s pretty much the standard. Two hours…. three hours… either way, people will “sit” through it. Have you seen how much movie tickets cost? Darn right I’ll sit through it. haha

Anyway, like all of us… I’m anxious to see what the final product will be, but I admit, I do have to be a bit pessimistic…. between all of that AND all of these spiffy battles we’re gonna see. It’s going to feel like a James Bond movie in the Star Trek world. (I say that only because those movies are around 2 hours and feel like so much longer because SO much goes on in them.)

Thoughts? :D

29. Darth Ballz - September 14, 2008

What the hell’s a Jonas Brother?

Darth”To Legit to Quit” BAllz

30. Energize - September 14, 2008

Terry O Quinn should play the Uncle.

31. Smitty - September 14, 2008

I like this wrinkle in the Kirk story.

True Kirk is an idealist and he does want to explore but like most great in real life have had difiiculties growing up and them working through that makes them great!

You look at Kirk and you see a man with ambition who wants to excel and prove the doubters wrong.

And we all have people in our families who are less that tolerable.

You love them but dislike them.

Spock and Riker have had his father issues as well. May be that is what drew Kirk and Spock to each other as friends they share a similar experience with parental figures

-cs™

32. Anthony Thompson - September 14, 2008

It’s a Kitchen Sink movie. It should be 3 hours but I recall a 2 hour running time being predicted (due to the number of pages in the script).

33. Energize - September 14, 2008

I heard the kitchen sink saves the Enterprise. It’s cool.

34. Commodore Redshirt - September 14, 2008

Yeah, those long epics never make money.

Titanic was about ten hours long and only ended up as the highest-grossing film of all time, with a total worldwide take of over $1.75 billion…

35. Dom - September 14, 2008

Anyone else think that Brad Henke looks a bit like a middle-aged William Shatner in that photo?

Lots of people have pain and family issues in their past. Believe me, I’ve met plenty of people who seem to be the most well-adjusted in the world, but their family history is . . . bizarre to say the least. It’s not psychobabble that Kirk leaves because of a bad situation at home. There are a lot of tragedies that force the most ordinary of people to leave home and move somewhere new to start fresh. There clearly were issues unseen in Kirk’s past. This is obviously one of them.

As for the doommongers, well, tough! I don’t know why they’re even bothering posting here. I think the new Doctor Who sucks, but I don’t spend all my time on Doctor Who fora bitching about it! Go set up a loser obsessives site equivalent to danielcraigisnotbond.com, then we can all sit around and laugh at you! Maybe be you should use a cannon (sic) as your logo! :p

36. Einthoven - September 14, 2008

BSG Trek anyone? *rolleyes*

37. Kirk, James T. - September 14, 2008

sounds like Kirk is getting the cliche treatment of a bad or a sad child hood (Bruce Wayne) that creates this path to the military and Starfleet perhaps wanting to be a captain like his father before him (Adama, Skywalker).

I think really we don’t know much about where this uncle fits in – we know Kirk’s family – or part of it were killed by Kodos so perhaps Kirk then goes back to live with his nasty uncle witch then forces him to follow in his dad’s footsteps and join Starfleet – it does sound like a familiar plot line but i hope that Abrams has more up his sleeve than just Battle Star Begins Wars Trek: A New Hope.

38. neonknights - September 14, 2008

You forget that Kirk was a survivor of the Tarsus IV massacre at the age of 13. If his parents were killed by Kodos then maybe he was raised by his uncle, who – as it seems – was an abusing alcoholic which made Kirk to go on his own ways…

39. DesiluTrek - September 14, 2008

Moving the movie from Christmas to May could affect the length as much as anything else. A longer movie means fewer showings for the theaters, which they don’t like, especially with potential blockbusters such as this one.

40. Harry - September 14, 2008

Drunk uncle of Kirk.. why didn’t they give that to Shatner ;)

41. thebiggfrogg - September 14, 2008

Re: 22, 24, 25

I’d be fine with a longer pic too if it is good, but I’m a Trekkie since the age of about 4 (going on 42). My guess is it is going to be difficult enough to get the lay public’s butts in the seats of a Trek movie, unless JJ’s imprimatur carries that much weight, much less if you tell them: Star Trek, a 3 hour experience coming to a theater near you! Even if I am wrong, I’ll bet the Paramount suits are thinking the same thing. I think it’d be too much a hurdle.

42. Tomi from Slovenia - September 14, 2008

@ 40 a good one lol

43. Al - September 14, 2008

The whole thing sounds like a version of A Christmas Carol with Old Spock as Scrooge.

44. Holger - September 14, 2008

Gene Roddenberry once said Kirk was a blend of Captain Horatio Hornblower and Hamlet. (At least that’s reported in the Remastered Season One Box Special Features.) Hamlet… didn’t he have an evil uncle who became his stepfather?

45. Cervantes - September 14, 2008

”I play Captain Kirk’s alcoholic, abusive uncle when he’s a kid, and I treat him very badly, which forces him to go off and do what he does…..”

This is quite a revelation about one of the current maker’s ‘creative choices’ with the ongoing Star Trek story. It’s only a matter of my own personal taste, but seeing a ‘harrassed’ VERY young Kirk with a ‘problematic’ family background is not one that appeals to me in this Star Trek re-launch. I realise this is meant to be some kind of ‘origin’ storyline which eventually ‘leads into’ the events of the TOS series (I presume, from what we’ve heard so far), but I’d have preferred not to go that FAR BACK, where even Kirk’s CHILDHOOD has to be explained in detail…. This Movie has been previously described as ‘epic’, but I hope this means CINEMATICALLY ‘epic’ rather than LONG-AND–DRAWN-OUT ‘epic’ too, before we are allowed to get to the real adventure of the main plot. So I sure hope this is all merely dealt with quickly in some kind of very brief ‘flashback’-type ‘memory’ thing, rather than being a time-gobbling onscreen ‘exposition’ of all Kirk’s ‘family troubles’ at the beginning of the Movie…

As far as the eventual length of the Movie that others have mentioned here, I reckon it all has to do with the studio involved. Therefore if there is indeed footage for a two and a half hour to three hour long masterpiece say, then it will not surprise me to find that the ‘theatrical’ release will be TWO hours only, with an eventual DVD / Blu-ray release that only has this ‘theatrical’ release, but gives us J.J.’s ‘forcibly’ cut footage as EXTRAS only….BEFORE we are finally given J.J.’s WHOLE intended version long after that on yet another money-spinning DVD / Blu-ray release for the studio. Only at this far-off future point do we release it was a better Movie than what we paid to see in the first place. I hope I’m wrong….

46. Cervantes - September 14, 2008

That should be ‘realise’ that it was a better Movie…. I hate typos!

47. Alisa - September 14, 2008

They forgot about several VERY long movies that were made, and shown in the Theaters in their entirety. They had an INTERMISSION then. In fact a lot of movies had INTERMISSIONS when they were longer than 2 hours. The Sound of Music, Gandi, The Ten Commandments. They were treated like PLAYS with TWO ACTS. I would not mind watching such a movie again, so long as it kept my interest, and was written well.

48. SPB - September 14, 2008

I LIKE THIS ANGLE.

Look, one can argue that Spock and his childhood has gotten the lion’s share of the character development and backstory over any other character in STAR TREK. It’ll be a nice change of pace to dig deeper into Kirk’s childhood and what makes/made his tick.

The IDEA holds tons of promise. The only area of concern is the EXECUTION. If it’s not handled with great acting, direction and writing, then yeah, it’ll come off as lame and obvious as the phrase “Jim Kirk’s EVIL stepfather!”

49. Stringfellow Hawke - September 14, 2008

47 et al:

One of the differences between then – the 50’s and 60’s – and now, is that the studios are generally more concerned with the financial return on movies than character and story. Those movies also played much longer – weeks, months – then, as well. There was simply little to no competition, no filler crap each week to get braindead masses in the seats, so there was no need to get the income in the opening weekend and move on to the next movie.

Simply put, the more screens the movie can be played on, the more ROI you get from it. Back then, you had the *length of stay in the movie theater* to generate a regular ROI until the next one arrived weeks or months later. Now, it’s how many screens can you shoehorn it on during opening weekend so you don’t have competition every week, or rely on continuous length of stay.

To do that, the movie has to be able to be shown the maximum amount daily. At $10 a pop (on average) at 12,000 screens X three showings a day… big bucks. BUT you have to fit the time to the frame you can get that shown. You make a movie 2 hours and change, it can be done – if you have fast turnaround on prepping the theater for the next show. Make it three hours, and you’ve got yourself only two showings a day. That’s a loss of 12,000 screens X $10. Losing $120k a day, or more if it’s the weekend… not a good ROI.

LOTR got away with the extension of time based on being released during holidays where theaters are open earlier and longer, and got darn good word of mouth so it stuck around for months (EXTREMELY rare for first run movies in this day and age, you can admit). That extension was a bonus slop of frosting on the cake, but could hardly be relied on to happen. Any businessman worth a dime in his or her trade wouldn’t bet on that.

On that note, if it’s trimmed…. I can’t wait for the director’s cut on DVD. :D

50. Stringfellow Hawke - September 14, 2008

BTW, forgot to mention, that 120k per day is *per person*. Some theaters can fit hundreds.

51. JohnnieF - September 14, 2008

couldn’t Kirk’s uncle have caused him to go to Cronos and then be rescued by his Starfleet father?

52. Kev-1 - September 14, 2008

KIrk seemed to be the person who found exactly what he should be doing in life and did it very well. Making that the result of abuse is possible, but not so desirable. It’s well worn territory, also. Kirk would be more like Archer who loved spaceships since he played with them on the beach with his Dad. I doubt Roddenberry would have thrown this in. I don’t know, but I doubt it. But I see this movie as an alternate version of Star Trek, anyhow.

53. CanuckLou - September 14, 2008

To draw conclusions from insufficient facts is not …logical.

…the adventure continues…

54. Dom - September 14, 2008

Abrams contractually has final cut on Star Trek – unprecedented in this day and age. That means he gets to decide how long the film is. Personally, I’m all for an extended version of the film on Blu-ray.

For that matter, rather than shoehorn Shatner into the film, release a recut Generations on Blu-ray at the same time where Kirk lives and finish with a newly-shot scene where Kirk and Picard are on Romulus after the events of Nemesis, foreshadowing Star Trek (2009) ;)

55. The Insider - September 14, 2008

Sorry but this whole thing is starting to sound too much like a soap opera… and I don’t mean that in a Trek kind of a way…

It’s like days of our lives or the bold and the beautiful. It’s got too much “When they were young” stories…

so… where’s the action? The real conflict in the movie? Unless it’s a 4 hour Star Trek movie I don’t see why we have to have EVERY DAMN Kirk in the family appear. Isn’t that a bit too much? I’m feeling that I might not even WANT to know that much about Kirk…

I don’t know guys… but after seeing Fringe on TV… I’ve lost all respect for the writers and JJA.

56. John from Cincinnati - September 14, 2008

Maybe it was Kirk’s drunk uncle that led him to decide to go to Tarsus IV to begin with. “To go off and do what he did”.

57. The Insider - September 14, 2008

IIiiiiiiiiiiiiii don’t know…

It’s a little too much personal drama that’s going into this, and I fear they’ll alter the perception of how we look at these characters… I for one am sick and tired of the BROKEN family theme that’s being regurgitated across the nation over the past many years…

Not ALL families MUST be broken in order to become stronger, better etc.. such narrow minded things piss me off. Just look at all the Disney movies lately… except for the Pixar ones cause they’re not really Disney, though they like to call them that, but they aren’t… Sorry Disney Fan boys, it’s still Pixar and the creative minds behind their stories are NOTHING like those of their own CGI or Hand drawn animation stories.

Why can’t we just get to the MEAT of the entire Star Trek mythology? I mean stop with the personal pointers… Demystifying Kirk is NOT a good thing… let him be a legend and a character that will always have a sense of mystery behind him. They are so &%£$ing Kirk’s story in this one…

But at the heart of this new tale as they keep saying over and over… is that it’s a SPOCK story… Then, by all means… show us things that DOESN’T have anything to do with Kirk and the Enterprise… then… all of the sudden the story becomes a heck of a lot more difficult huh?

I gather you guys see where I’m going with this…. I’m NOT for the whole (let’s show everyone what’s going on behind the scenes and demystifying such legendary characters as James T. Kirk!)

Gene Roddenberry isn’t here to say if he agrees or not which is the problem… I’m sure he’d change a few things about the entire story on Kirk. JJ, is simply claiming Kirks past… That’s like stealing the entire thing… or cutting in line to be first in the story.

The Kirk story should start and end with the performance and written works of Shatner and Roddenberry.

…. aarrrrgghhhh…

I really need a trailer right about now… it’s starting to be a bit too much now… seeing how it all looks would calm my nerves. After all… the problem with most Sci Fi fans (Me included), is that a little eye candy goes a long way… :(

58. steve623 - September 14, 2008

“I play Captain Kirk’s alcoholic, abusive uncle when he’s a kid, and I treat him very badly, which forces him to go off and do what he does.”

That’s a tad cliché.

59. steve623 - September 14, 2008

“The whole thing sounds like a version of A Christmas Carol with Old Spock as Scrooge.”

Patrick Stewart will play all the parts in the stage version :-)

60. steve623 - September 14, 2008

“I for one am sick and tired of the BROKEN family theme that’s being regurgitated across the nation over the past many years…”

I think I probably always assumed Kirk’s father died in the service when he was a kid, maybe prior to the Tarsus IV thing (which I wouldn’t be surprised to see get written out in the movie), and he was influenced to go into Starfleet because of his father’s example. I have no problem with that. The fat, abusive, alcoholic uncle though … sheesh … its just so corny and common and Lifetime TV-movie-of-the-week. You could cast Eric Braden and Valerie Bertanelli as Mr. and Mrs. Kirk.

61. sean - September 14, 2008

About the length…I’m quite certain JJ himself said 2 hours running time. In fact, it may have been on this very site that he stated it (or maybe it was just in an article, I’m sure Anthony can back me up).

62. sean - September 14, 2008

#57

I don’t know what there is to ‘demsytify’ about Kirk. We know the character pretty damn well. This may just add another nuance to his backstory. I don’t see how that could ruin our perception of the character.

As far as the broken home theme being overused…well, over half of all marriages end in divorce within the first 5 years. So guess what? There are a *lot* of so-called ‘broken homes’ out there. It seems overused and cliched to some, but it’s a reality for many.

63. MORN SPEAKS - September 14, 2008

This news is interesting, but an abusive drunk uncle?? I don’t know, doesn’t seem like the future of “humanity” depicted in Star Trek. Then again we’ve seen MANY humans lose their way in the Star Trek Universe.

64. Tox Uthat - September 14, 2008

It was stated here on Trekmovie way back in the early stages that the writing team used the novel “Best Destiny” as a template for Kirk’s background. Reread the novel and you’ll see where the “evil Uncle” can be inserted. Among other things, George Kirk was an absentee father due to his Starfleet career. And the novel covers the time when Kirk was a difficult teenager due to his dad being gone and Kirk’s stated resentment of that. So a new character was created to step into some of that roll.

If “Best Destiny” is the guide, then I have no problem with this part of the story at all.

65. newman - September 14, 2008

I really hope that Kirk’s experience on Tarsus IV is portrayed in this film, if only briefly.

66. Captain Robert April - September 14, 2008

I’m a little leery of their using ANY of the novels for background info. For instance, what makes “Best Destiny” any better a source than Shatner’s “Collision Course”? Or any of the comic book versions? Why not a fanfic on some fanboy’s website?

Y’see why Roddenberry declared the novels noncanon? Too many different versions of the same thing.

67. tin man - September 14, 2008

I bet the time traveling Romulans are behind most of the tragidies in Kirks life, like Khan they manage to kill just about everyone else, but keep missing the target?

68. Devon - September 14, 2008

#27 – cd – Thanks for the laugh! Funny.

69. Kirk's Girdle - September 14, 2008

Kirk is an overly ambitious, chip-on-his-shoulder, egomaniac who sought to prove himself by becoming the youngest Captain in Starfleet.
In Starfleet Academy, he was “positively grim” and is “extremely rigid in his thought processes”

HERBERT!

He shuns personal attachments and commitments (except for his “buds”) and prefers to stay far away from Earth.

Sounds like a guy who was criticized one too many times by a drunk to me.

70. Kirk's Girdle - September 14, 2008

Shatner’s version of teenage Kirk was plausible as well. After Tarsus IV, he was bitterly rebellious and resented Starfleet for its failure to respond to colony’s problem on time.

His catchphrase was: WHERE WAS STARFLEET?

71. Devon - September 14, 2008

#55 “so… where’s the action? The real conflict in the movie?”

Just wondering, have you ignored all the other stories regarding action and battle scenes? All the FX shots, etc?

I swear, some of you overreact and make it seem like it’s “one or the other” when it comes to this movie. You read where they say one thing about the movie and proclaim that’s what the movie is all about, then they talk about another aspect and claim that’s too much of that.

People, chill.

72. Devon - September 14, 2008

#63 – “I don’t know, doesn’t seem like the future of “humanity” depicted in Star Trek. Then again we’ve seen MANY humans lose their way in the Star Trek Universe.”

Yep, so there is no problem then.

73. cellojammer - September 14, 2008

They should withhold all further information until the real promotional effort starts.

After all the finger pointing and whining that accompanies each new tidbit, it’s apparent that WE CAN’T HANDLE IT!

74. steve623 - September 14, 2008

“After all the finger pointing and whining that accompanies each new tidbit, it’s apparent that WE CAN’T HANDLE IT!”

So people are not allowed to have and express differing opinions now? How very unRoddenberryesque. There’s so much blind cheerleading for the movie on this site already, its kind of astonishing that you and others of similar sentiment can’t bear an occasional opposing opinion.

75. tHE tRUTH iS oUT tHERE - September 14, 2008

Spock’s back story was explored multiple times in TOS and the movies….It’s about time we know more about JTK….aside from the fact he was born in Iowa and spent time on Taursus….and don’t read back story as taking up half the movie…..this can be done in 10 minutes or less on the big screen….and if it helps establish some conflict that needs to be resolved in the movie, then it will help folks understand why our heros are acting as they day…once again, Gene always said this was about the human adventure, good and bad, and I for one am looking forward to this…I caught the pilot of LOST last night (had never watched an episode)and was drawn in to the story and could not walk away….I think JJ and the team are going to get all of us (fans and newbies) drawn in to this story and we will all be thankful and will have more movies in the future…!

76. The Insider - September 14, 2008

# 62.

Umm, right you’ve proven my point…

This is exactly why I don’t understand we need to promote such story lines, just cause it’s a damn epidemic in our otherwise pathetic TV driven nation that broken homes is now as normal as 12 year olds offering sex for a hamburger.

What’s wrong with you? Don’t you understand it’s THIS kind of stamp, put into a film that plays out in the future that shouldn’t have issues from our time. Can’t people try to dream a better dream of homes and families that actually love each other and isn’t broken? Or are all those from broken homes become allergic to the reality that there are people who still dream of better family lives?

And to your point, there’s more than enough people of the majority who’s family is broken who still late at night dream of a better family for them selves.

I guess, in your version, there would be no stability for children cause you’ve accepted that this is the norm…

Sorry but Star Trek stands for better morals… you don’t add realism to a movie just by including current problems. You are realism in the way the characters deal with each situation. But I guess you’d have to have taken some psychology classes in order to understand a portion of the human psychology.

My point was, that I’m tired of the constant promotion of broken homes… People start to think it’s very normal to get married 6-8 times, have 11 children from different women and still act like a teenager when your 55 years old.

No stability in the home often lends its self to the typical moral dilemmas people encounter later in life that often breaks them. And no, Kirks rebellious behavior doesn’t stem from such a family. This latest addition would indicate that he’d be prone to become a very bitter, resentful, angry and troubled man. I don’t see Kirk as vengeful, hateful, bitter or angry. He’s got a morality that deals with the way life is live in the 23rd century. Not the 21st. Naturally the morals are more or less the same as today only on a much larger scale and more epic in scale and meaning.

But again… if you want a Kirk that you can identify with because you think it’s important to inject some of our current problems into such a well known character then… I guess you’re one of those people…

77. Doug - September 14, 2008

I think that’s a mistake. Isn’t George his brother?

78. Doug - September 14, 2008

Doh…nope. My bad

79. The Insider - September 14, 2008

72.

THANK YOU!

It’s diversity that brings the colors to the table right? And yes.. That’s what Gene Roddenberry actually said…

So… when fanboys start to attack… then the cause is all but lost… I’m sure I’ll like the movie, (I hope), but having been brought up with Star Trek II,III etc. I have to say.. I for one don’t need to hear from fanboys that anything having the title Star Trek is going to be amazing. I’ve sat through Nemesis and was trying to will the silver screen to suddenly start burning.. it was one of the dumbest movies in the history of Trek. I’ve seen 41 min of TNG with better story than that one.

It’s alright to question the path of the new Star Trek. It’s alright to be worried or be upset about certain things… you won’t go to STOVO KOR! (yeah I can’t spell that so?) ;)

But then we don’t just have Star Trek FanBoys but JJA and LOST as well… it’s hard to get past that block… They tend to be a bit think…

80. ByGeorge - September 14, 2008

#74

It shows that in spite of our hardships, tough childhoods, personal imperfections, and character flaws – we can overcome these and strive to do good and be better. It becomes a source of inspiration for the viewers.

IMO later Trek made the characters too perfect, the galaxy too perfect. Took drama and tensions out of Trek. It is more interesting and inspirational to watch people overcoming and dealing with their weaknesses, temptations and pain than to pretend humans longer have these and everybody in the future will have perfect, happy, comfortable childhoods.

We will be able to relate to Kirk, Spock etc because they will have childhoods more like we had. Nobody is perfect, nobody had idyllic childhoods, and a person as driven as Kirk naturally would have had to suffer a little more than average before building character and becoming the person he is. The audience will be able to relate to the characters in a way that has been lacking in Trek for a long time. With the ability to relate comes empathy which is the source of drama, tension and excitement that occurs in successful movies.

81. Devon - September 14, 2008

#75 – Both. Father and Brother.

82. The Insider - September 14, 2008

# 78.

Well put…

This is the prefect response…

It’s pretty much how anyone should respond.

I agree with you. I really do. I’m just not comfortable having to include something so typical in a not very typical environment (universe).

Also I’m not happy about giving up the history of these characters to some who’ve made things that I cannot quite understand the hype about. I’m not talking about LOST cause I love that show, but it’s a show with many writers. The concept was JJs, but more or less it.
It’s Fringe and the quality of the writing that’s got me worried. I don’t want to bring Kirk all the way down to us, he’s legendary and as such he should have some qualities (like Luke with his JEDI powers), to be a bit more special.

I agree he’s going to fit well with a lot of viewers. I’m just not happy about the constant usage of the broken family theme that’s been a plague over the course of the past two decades on TV.

Sometimes, it’s good to give GOOD examples not just the bad ones.

83. Myna Byrd - September 14, 2008

I think the theme of this movie is FORGIVENESS.

Running contrary to the stereotypical “crush/kill the villain” I think Kirk (and Spock) will help Nero to see the light. It will surprise Kirk, given his past.

We’ll see.

84. Devon - September 14, 2008

#74 – “This is exactly why I don’t understand we need to promote such story lines, just cause it’s a damn epidemic in our otherwise pathetic TV driven nation that broken homes is now as normal as 12 year olds offering sex for a hamburger.”

I think you’re going way overboard now IMHO. I respect others opinions but you’re going on and making a big deal about something you know so little about.

1. I think your wording is unfair here. You say that the writers are “promoting” this storyline. How are they “promoting it?”

I honestly think you’re assuming WAY too much over so little here and I wouldn’t be surprised if the stuff you’re coming up with as far as assumptions are just coming from your imagination. Not trying to be rude here. Your comparison was a little out of line I think as well.

“What’s wrong with you? Don’t you understand it’s THIS kind of stamp, put into a film that plays out in the future that shouldn’t have issues from our time.”

Were you stomping your foot over Kirk having a child out of wedlock, ala David in “The Wrath of Khan?” I want to see you spin that one.

“Sorry but Star Trek stands for better morals… you don’t add realism to a movie just by including current problems.”

Wait a minute now hold on here. Have you not seen Star Trek EVER in your life? We’re human, most of those officers are human. Humans aren’t going to all be genetically programed to never do wrong or have flaws, everyone has them. Honestly, I think you’re getting a little too paranoid here and obviously have seen a different show than the rest of us.

85. The Insider - September 14, 2008

# 81.

I’ve always thought Romulans to be the dirty secret of the Vulcans. I hope to have some light shed on them. This is what I want, more back story on the already large universe in which Star Trek exists in. I know next to nothing about the Romulans, Ferengi etc. I mean I know only that of a few characters, but they all represent the entire world they come from and that’s not quite right. I wouldn’t want ONE human representing all of Earths population and I’d just like to see how the society and smaller details of Vulan works.

By the way, how many moons does Vulan have?

86. ByGeorge - September 14, 2008

#80

I do see what you mean — the typical broken childhood story, overcome to be a great man. But we haven’t seen the movie just yet and don’t know how “old hat” the story is. Certainly Tarsus was an original idea years ago. Lets hope that there are some original ideas in this movie for Kirk’s past too.

IMO when we learn a little about these characters, they tend to create more mystery and more stories rather than less. I’m hoping for some really original, creative, new ideas to come out of this movie. Think postiive!!

87. The Insider - September 14, 2008

# 84.

YES SIR!!! :)

I’ll try to think positively about this story… I really try… I just need that Trailer soon!

And yes.. I’m sure that this will open up a new window for the franchise to breath some fresh air into books, etc that will deal with the information given in the new movie.

Do you know how many moons Vulcan has?

Ps. Thanks for being a mild mannered and kind poster, you’ve shown that it’s possible to go a lot further with kindness and understanding than, attacks, oppositions etc… :)

88. cellojammer - September 14, 2008

72.

“So people are not allowed to have and express differing opinions now? How very unRoddenberryesque. There’s so much blind cheerleading for the movie on this site already, its kind of astonishing that you and others of similar sentiment can’t bear an occasional opposing opinion.”

Occasional? That’s very charitable! In the first place: I’m not Roddenberry. I’m a fan of his work but not necessarily to the point where embrace his entire philosophy (it’s possible, people!). In the second place, how can you cheerlead for something that you haven’t seen? As of now, there is not enough information to make an opinion either way. I’m neither endorsing nor condemning at this point but i choose to be optimistic. The amount of wailing and doomsaying that results from the slightest bit of information is what’s really astonishing.

Perhaps it’s a large amount of bellyaching coming from a very vocal minority, but the vehemence of it and the confidence with which it’s delivered is incredible. There can’t be an opposing opinion for me to not to bear when I HAVEN’
T FORMULATED ONE YET! THE FREAKIN’ MOVIE’S NOT DONE YET!

That’s what’s truly astonishing.

Do you get it?

89. ByGeorge - September 14, 2008

#87

I believe Vulcan has no moons rather it has something akin to a twin to itself, another planet, and they revolve around each other as well as their sun. I believe the older novels called it something like T’Kuht?

90. Dennis Bailey - September 14, 2008

#27:”So Kirk needs an abusive alcoholic uncle to get him to go into space…where did that come from? Sounds like a load of…psychobabble garbage to me.”

Yeah.

It’s as bad as living an emotionally repressed childhood such that you can’t express love for your mother…your father doesn’t understand you, and so disapproves of your adult choices that he doesn’t speak to you for years or even acknowledge you as his son in public.

We sure don’t need *that* kind of psychobabble garbage in “Star Trek!” LOL

91. marv - September 14, 2008

GUYS

Keep in mind who is reporting this. Dominic “Bad Character Acting” Keating. I doubt it’s that reliable. Mr. “My Character Made Photon Torpedos” is either feeding the masses misinformation or has sealed his career in hollywood by being blacklisted because he released some nondisclosure information.

92. Devon - September 14, 2008

#91 – I think you need to read the article again…

93. What is it with you? - September 14, 2008

69:

You mirrored my thoughts exactly. People like Kirk don’t come from normal families. Type A personalities like him aren’t born, they are created.

Remember Kirk, when he said “I need my pain!”. That sounded like a tourted soul to me.

This makes his character infinitely for interesting, to me.

Besides, Archer, Janeway, Picard, they all had boring upbringings. Time for a tortured captain.

94. eagle219406 - September 14, 2008

#16: I don’t want my pain taken away! I NEED my pain!” (Star Trek V: The Final Frontier) lol and now we know what that pain is XD.

Possibly, but many times I thought maybe it was the death of David, or Edith, or Mirimanee.

95. Kirk's Girdle - September 14, 2008

Re: 93.

My dad is psychotic Type-A. His mother died and his father sent him to hotels for weeks at a time when he had lady friends over. He left home at 17 for the military and never came back.

96. Red Shirt - September 14, 2008

boborci

can we please see a pic of the cast in costume, or the Big E herself?

gracias

rs out!

97. Smike van Dyke - September 14, 2008

Wow, Kirk’s alcoholic uncle…sounds like the first 10 minutes of Rob Zombie’s Halloween to me!

Gosh…Wait a sec…that explains why Michael Myers needs a William Shatner mask! He just wants to imitate KIRK…the ultimate FULL CIRCLE EXPERIENCE! Awesome…

98. Energize - September 14, 2008

Every movie character has to have an alcoholic parent. No one can be normal.

99. Kevin - September 14, 2008

I don’t think that really fits in with Roddenberry’s humans on Earth will be much more evolved in the 23rd century vision.

100. Kirk's Girdle - September 14, 2008

Yes, in Roddenberry’s universe, people only get drunk for comic relief.

101. Trek Fan - September 14, 2008

Okay folks, I can seriously predict now that this movie with be a load of crap.

The day after the premiere remember this post.

Studio execs are expecting Trek Fans to salivate and spend money on tickets for Trek feature, let’s disappoint them.

102. What is it with you? - September 14, 2008

95

Sorry – didn’t mean to bring up bad memories.

I wouldn’t call Kirk psychotic, but he’s definitely a Type-A.

Then again, if you think about most action heroes – they are all psychos too. Nobody really acts this way.

103. LeRoy - September 14, 2008

I’ve figured it out. The Romulans go back in time and give Kirk’s uncle a case of ROMULAN ALE – hoping that his alcohol induced abuse shatters the young man’s psyche. Spock travels back in time to prevent this by getting young Kirk’s uncle addicted to SAURIAN BRANDY (which makes him mellow & sleepy). The Romulan’s plan is thwarted & Kirk becomes a “Living Legend” in Starfleet.

104. SPB - September 14, 2008

LEST YOU ALL FORGET…

…humans hadn’t necessarily “evolved” by the TOS time-period. That particular Edict of Roodenberry didn’t get the full-blown treatment until TNG.

105. SPB - September 14, 2008

(Haha… make that ROD-denberry. Don’t ask me who “ROO-denberry” is!)

106. Jason P Hunt - Kansas City filmmaker - September 14, 2008

I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned it, but Kirk’s father, George Samuel Sr, disappeared while on assignment for Starfleet. That’s according to several literary sources, but it’s never been established as “canon”. George, Jr. (“Sam” to Jim) died on an Earth colony.

107. Xai - September 14, 2008

76. The Insider – September 14, 2008

You make a lot of assumptions based on very little info. I thought you “knew” all this stuff…. aren’t you the one with the answers?

108. Xai - September 14, 2008

101. Trek Fan – September 14, 2008
“Okay folks, I can seriously predict now that this movie with be a load of crap.

The day after the premiere remember this post.

Studio execs are expecting Trek Fans to salivate and spend money on tickets for Trek feature, let’s disappoint them.”

More “predicitions”? Another knows-all expert? Thanks for warning us… when did you see the movie?

109. Buddykarl - September 14, 2008

Consider the following:

Scene opens on a small Vulcan shuttle being chased by Romulans. Cut to interior of shuttle and it is being piloted by Spock (Leonard Nimoy), he takes a small golden orb and places it into a chute. Cut to exterior of ship and small golden orb is launched from Vulcan shuttle and creates a small wormhole in which the shuttle dives into to escape the Romulans but they follow it in.
Cut to a scene about 150 years earlier, and we witness Kirk’s mother in labor, while at the same time on Vulcan, Spock’s mother is in labor. As we see both babies born, Kirk as a human, Spock with little Vulcan ears. Cut to older Federation ships in a battle against Romulan ships. One Federation ship has George Kirk (James T. Kirk’s father) and after a barrage of fire, George Kirk is killed.
Cut to a scene about 11 years forward. James Kirk is in an Iowa barn with his friend Carol Marcus. They are going through a steamer trunk they found in the barn and come across a phaser, it is the phaser of Kirk’s father and he pretends he is firing it to which Carol warns James to be careful. Suddenly, an ancient ground car (Ford Mustang) pulls up outside of the barn. The two hurry to put the phaser back into the trunk and put it back where they found it. Into the barn walks Kirk’s uncle and tells James that he better have his car washed in an hour or else! Instead, James Kirk and Carol go on a joyride.
Cut to the Mustang barreling through cornfields and being chased by police in shuttles. Kirk manages to let Carol out and continues on trying to elude the police. Suddenly, the car approaches a cliff and it swerves and pitches off the side of the cliff. The police shuttles land and look over the edge. Behind them, James Kirk dusts himself off and the police turn to see him asking him if he saw a car drive through here. He says, “what car?” and walks off.

Actioned packed, eh?

110. Aragorn189 - September 14, 2008

#109

I like it. But there is a 75% chance that won’t happen. But hey we can dream.

111. Energize - September 14, 2008

Spock and Kirk weren’t born at the same time.

112. Jim Nightshade - September 14, 2008

Spare the Rod-En-Berry and spoil the child? hmmmm

113. Energize - September 14, 2008

Why don’t the cops just fire the stun phasers at the car?

114. cellojammer - September 14, 2008

108. Xai-

More “predicitions”? Another knows-all expert? Thanks for warning us… when did you see the movie?

_________

Some people think they can evaluate the whole damn restaurant when all they’ve seen are a couple of ingredients on the kitchen table.

Go figure….

115. sean - September 14, 2008

how frakin trite

awww jimmy was hurt when he was a kid thats why he s brash, overly cocky and a womanizer……thats an easy set up for any pop psychologist out there……i like the more heath/joker approach of ‘he just is’…….

this sounds like a superman 1/battlestar galactica/back to the future2 orgy/love child……thats prolly how they pitched it…i know things i watch my entourage!

116. SPB - September 14, 2008

MAN, SOME OF YOU WOULD MAKE ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE WRITERS…

…considering how dis-interested you are in knowing what makes a character tick. I guess STAR TREK XI should just jump right into the “pew-pew-pew” laser battles, hm? And simply repeat all the cliches of the TOS episodes? Yeah, why bother trying to delve deeper into the characters and make them MORE interesting???

Good grief.

117. Joe Schmoe - September 14, 2008

It’s too late at night to read all the comments, sorry if this is a repeat.

Some movies can have 20 minutes of footage that is left on the cutting room floor. We might never see the drunk uncle in the theatrical release.

Instead of an evil uncle, I’d rather see young Jimmy Kirk as some fat, bafoonish kid that is headed for a life as a computer geek and as a life-long virgin.

But then a hot female classmate falls down a cliff, and Jimmy grows some ‘nads and climbs the side of a mountain in order to save her life.

He gets a thrill for adventure for the first time in his life, and the girls gives him a big kiss after saving her.

From that moment on he’s a changed human being, and the rest is history. Adventure and hot babes, meet James T. Kirk.

118. Energize - September 14, 2008

Uh. No.

119. Devon - September 14, 2008

” 98. Energize – September 14, 2008

Every movie character has to have an alcoholic parent. No one can be normal.

In the last month I’ve probably watch 15 different movies, both in the theatre and on DVD and didn’t see where “Every movie character had an alcoholic parent.” in fact I can only think of few and far between movies that have such a thing. So no big deal here.

120. RD - September 14, 2008

22. Bob Tompkins – September 13, 2008 wrote:
“I’d hope Paramount will trust JJ Abrams with not only the first, but the final cut of the film. It’d be a shame if this movie ended up being directed by Alan Smithee. I hear they don’t do that anymore.”

Somebody’s been drinking the Rigelian bong water … JJ Abrams is one of the luckiest men in show business. Did anybody actually watch Alias, he took a fine idea and ruined it. He’s just warming it up and serving it again as Fringe. Lost is tumbling for an equally unsatisfying ending. As for his directing, Mission Impossible III, really? That’s the film you base your trust of him to do something amazing with one of the most lucrative and beloved franchises in the world? Cause otherwise he’s just done a lot of TV.

That said, a lame director/producer is better than any studio executives directing by committee.

121. Sebastian Meyer - September 14, 2008

All our cowboys have fahther issues.

Losties will get the reference.

122. The Enterprise - September 14, 2008

It’s all Shakespeare’s fault.

123. Anthony Pascale - September 14, 2008

it is a good point 121

father issues are a major theme in LOST, which shares Lindelof and Abrams with Trek.

Almost all the LOST characters have daddy issues from Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Sun, Jin, Hurley, Locke

Lostpedia has a whole section on it
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Daddy_issues#Father_issues

124. DonDonP1 - September 14, 2008

I’ll bet that character Benke plays in the new “Star Trek” motion picture, Captain Kirk’s uncle, would be WAY worse than a Nazi troop and a tough Army Drill Sergeant combined.

125. Kevin - September 14, 2008

Where are you people getting parent or father from. He’s playing Kirk’s uncle. Chris Hemsworth is playing George Samuel, Kirk’s father.

Now the idea of Kirk’s parents not being around that much is interesting. It would certainly explain Kirk’s ability to fall in love at the drop of a hat. Combine that with the loneliness of command and I might even believe that Requiem for Methusaleh episode.

I’ve never thought of Kirk as a womanizer. He’s always just seemed desperately lonely. He couldn’t leave Starfleet to have a real relationship though. He loved his job and his ship too much.

126. Thomas - September 15, 2008

Out of all the things I’ve heard about this movie, this is the one thing I have misgivings about. it just doesn’t feel right for Trek. I don’t know, I could be wrong.

BTW, I watched the Fringe pilot repeat tonight. It took a while to get going, but it looks like it might be a good show, I’d definitely watch the next episode. My one complaint is the type of titles used in establishing the scenes, I found them to be distracting and they don’t really add anything to the show except to say where the scene is set. Eventually, they should switch to a simple screen text which is all that is necessary.

127. K.M.Kirby - September 15, 2008

Kirk was so young when he vanished, it’s likely that some of these older family members were still around when it happened.

128. MDSHiPMN - September 15, 2008

I’m going to use this space to praise J.J. & Co. for going anywhere near this broken franchise.

Save us.

129. Kirk's Girdle - September 15, 2008

Re: 102

Not bad memories for me, just my Dad. Not that he would admit it.
And no, Kirk is not psycholotic, just my Dad. Three minutes on the phone with him can be murder.

130. JWW - September 15, 2008

he looks well suited to the role, i buy it that he could play a kirk family member…

now how about some production shots, for gorn’s sake!

131. Of Bajor - September 15, 2008

I just love the way so many here think they have such insight into something they know so little about.

You are trying to draw conclusions from opinion that is already third hand and out of context.

This film will rock. Even its a turkey (whic i doubt very much) it will still rock because it is Trek. For me, even bad Trek is better than no Trek

Walk with the Prophets!

132. ByGeorge - September 15, 2008

#125

I agree with you that Kirk was an extremely dedicated man. Too many just want to see him as a daring, ballsy, feisty, womanizer and forget that he was a dedicated star ship commander. He believed in what he did, worked hard at it and sacrificed for it. He believed in the goodness and rightness of mankind’ s ways and it was worth dying for. Few mention this aspect of Kirk’s personality – that fact that all of the crew were galactic heroes – not simply known for their boldness, gutsiness and womanizing. They saved the galaxy weekly for us and we were inspired by their goodness – not their badness.

I believe Kirk would have had to have contact with lots of badness at some point in his life so that he could make a conscious effort to reject it, rise above it and fight it. He would have had to make a decision not to be like those who mistreated him and instead spread goodness, fairness, and kindness throughout the galaxy.

Perhaps this is why I like ST4 the most of all the films. They did what they did best – saved the world and mankind yet again. It was like a TOS episode.

133. Cervantes - September 15, 2008

#52 Kev-1

I’m really considering that I might just happily think of this WHOLE Movie as an ‘alternative’ timeline / ‘alternate’ universe TOS too, WHATEVER the plot stipulates….and that the ‘future’ Spock (portrayed by Leonard Nimoy) in it is ALSO just a product of this Movie’s particular future ‘alternative’ timeline’ / ‘alternate’ universe! This will help ‘sell’ the new faces to me, and I won’t have to be distracted or disappointed with any Production Design changes throughout the Movie that I don’t like….

If I use ALSO use this theory on everything to do with the TNG series and what came after, then it means that I can ‘keep’ the William Shatner portrayed Kirk of the original TOS series and Movies ‘alive’ too!!….

….because the William Shatner-portrayed ‘Kirk in the ‘Generations’ Movie then DOESN’T NEED TO BE the original TOS series one, but was rather just another ‘alternative’ timeline / ‘alternate’ universe one that I hadn’t ‘invested’ in! Some may disagree, but this certainly works for me! :)

134. steve - September 15, 2008

“Drunk uncle of Kirk.. why didn’t they give that to Shatner”

LOL. I bet he would have considered the part.

135. steve - September 15, 2008

…as Young Kirk flees the tyranny of this abusive situation…he sets up targeting enhancers about the Uncle’s Lazyboy.

Problem? No problem. There are always alternatives.

136. Kaiser The Great - September 15, 2008

Peace on earth, the end of poverty and disease, but we still have child abuse? Hmm…

137. TL - September 15, 2008

Another lame excuse for a character’s back story. This movie is sounding dumber by the minute.

138. Trek Fan - September 15, 2008

Thank you “TL”, it’s good to see others are getting disgusted with these silly plot lines.

Does anyone remember the ending to “City on the Edge of Forever”? Now, there was a good emotional story with outstanding acting by William Shatner.

Sounds like another bad episode of “Voyager” and “Insurrection”.

139. Tox Uthat - September 15, 2008

#66:

It doesn’t matter what might make one novel better than the others. O and K stated they liked “Best Destiny” and that it seemed to them a good start for a Kirk backstory. They also stated that they were going to reference some novels bec, oh my god, they liked the ideas stated.

Doesn’t matter if GK sanctioned or didn’t sanction the novels. He isn’t here anymore. The writers of XI used the novels as personal background for themselves and if an idea struck them, they were not opposed to use it.

Please, everyone, continue to fight city hall. Even if the movie is in the can.

140. Number 3 - September 15, 2008

this guy plays “uncle Frank”….remember Hellraiser….just a thaught

Peacce and long life

141. Bob Tompkins - September 15, 2008

#24

The studio suits’ thinking is that a 2.5 – 3 hour movie will get one less showing per day in each theater. 2 hours is ideal.
When the studios know they have a bomb on their hands, they cut it to 90 minutes or less to get even one more showing in before word of mouth gets out & totally kills it [see Superman IV- no, wait- on second thought, don’t.]

#120

Agreed Abrams runs hot & cold- I loved Cloverfield [yeah, yeah, he didn’t direct it] & MI3, but not much of his TV work, and you hit the nail I was fumbling around for dead on the head. Let anyone with heavy involvement in any project give us the final cut- not the suits.

142. Bob Tompkins - September 15, 2008

#134

Shat could have pulled off the role if he had also pulled off his rug. Then there would have been absolutely n identification with James Kirk.

I’d love to see both Shatner and Burt Reynolds chuck the ego and go for it sans toupee. I heard that Reynolds was up for the idea once. Did he ever actually do it? Anyone know?

143. Denise de Arman - September 16, 2008

I would rather see an exploration of Kirk’s childhood experiences at the hands of Kodos and his evil followers as an impetus to his future knight-in-shining-armour obsession. His TOS character is concerned first with his ship (possibly a need to boldly go as did his father), and secondly to see that justice is served for all. Conscience of the King provided such a haunting backdrop for Kirk’s psychology, it seems a shame to substitute that storyline opportunity (possibly seeing young Kirk threatened with death and/or saving the lives of others, etc.) with drunken family-member abuse. We will see in May ’09.

144. Notbob - September 16, 2008

So, is his uncle related to George or Winona?

And why does he need an evil anything to run off and join starfleet? Isn’t the fact that his old man was in it enough for inspiration?

Evil uncle, evil stepmother. This is such a cliche for a storyline. It’s as weak as a crazy scientist or an overly dorky agent in the secret goverment agency.

I honestly hope this is done well. But as of now, I gotta bad feelin’ about this.

145. Holger - September 16, 2008

136: “Peace on earth, the end of poverty and disease, but we still have child abuse? Hmm…”

Peace on earth, no disease and poverty… AND we still have personal freedom, but along with that goes the possibility to make some bad choices and so become a bad person.
But on the other hand you would think on the utopian Earth of Star Trek, the kind of demeanor the uncle is (supposedly) displaying will not go unnoticed and unremedied. So yes, this stuff seems kind of out of place in Trek.

146. LeRoy - September 16, 2008

He looks like he should play Cyrano Jones.

147. krikzil - September 16, 2008

“I play Captain Kirk’s alcoholic, abusive uncle when he’s a kid, and I treat him very badly, which forces him to go off and do what he does..”

I sincerely hope this isn’t in the film.

148. Lilaeth - September 18, 2008

#82 Vulcan has no moon, but a sister planet, T’Kuht. T’Kuht has a moon, called T’Rukhemai.

The abusive uncle line sounds like something stolen from one of those dreadful ‘true life’ films that usually star Melissa Gilbert.

149. cheritycall - October 27, 2008

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