Comments on: Kurtzman & Orci Compare New Star Trek To Wrath Of Khan

By: Holger

Holger — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:22:01 +0000

BTW, the story of STV has many similarities with the unrealized Phase II (the 1977 project, not James Cawley’s show) episode “To Attain The All” by Norman Spinrad (I believe). An alien Guru (who turns out to be a hologram) brings the Enterprise crew under his sway, promising them to become one with “the All”, some kind of Nirvana, and he is integrating them into a collective consciousness. Guess who resists the brainwash through his immense power of the will? So the brainwashed crew turns against the captain. In the end our heros find out that the All is the collective consciousness of a dead civilization stored in a computer, and that the All wanted to use the Enterprise to spread out over the galaxy and integrate everything into its group mind.

By: Lyle

Lyle — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:51:50 +0000

145, 146

Yeah, I have to agree STV as it is is not a good movie. But it could have been. The basic story has potential. It’s just that it gets hidden under all teh flawed stuff piled on top of it.

By: Holger

Holger — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:10:46 +0000

139: I agree with you on everything. But after all these changes, it wouldn’t be the same movie any more, would it? So, in order for STV to be good, it has to be changed into another movie. And that’s why STV as it is is not a good movie.

By: The Underpants Monster

The Underpants Monster — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:27:27 +0000

#139 – ITA on all points. There were the seeds of a good movie there, but everything was taken too far until that potential was squandered.

#142 – I think you’re right. Nimoy hasn’t said anything specific, but he keep talking about passing on the mantle, and this being “the end of the road” for him. Makes perfect sense. I’m bringing extra Kleenex to the cinema.

#141 – I never got the impression that the probe was *deliberately* sent as a punishment.

By: Lilaeth

Lilaeth — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:22:54 +0000

#90 – just when i thought I was the only person in the world who enjoyed Nemesis!! :-)

By: zan

zan — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:44:55 +0000

#141

yeah so evil humanity kills of whales so as punishment the aliens send a probe that almost sucks up the entire ocean – yeah that’ll teach the humans not to mess with the eco-system!

By: saavik rules!

saavik rules! — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:23:32 +0000

i have a feeling Spock (Leonard Nimoy’s Spock, that is ) will die in this film (i mean once and for all, not to come back) . i mean, how else can you guarantee that this will be epic in scope? Spock sacrificing his life to save his friends, the original crew – leaving way for the sequels for the new cast to take over,

By: saavik rules!

saavik rules! — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:19:16 +0000

#53, – the villain wasnt the probe

there were two villains

humanity, who killed off the whales -

and time , which was running out , to save planet Earth

By: saavik rules!

saavik rules! — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:15:33 +0000

27 – your’re right on point. TWOK and TSFS make an excellent pair of movies, and TSFS had fantastic character development; Scotty, Bones and Sulu had some great moments.. though Uhura and Chekov could have used a little more.

as far as I’m concerned, TSFS could have been the final film made with the original cast. ST IV was too campy for my tastes… and in a sense, it really didnt need to wrap up in the storyline from TWOK and TSFS. after all, with the return of Spock, what else does there need to be? the entire story could have ended there… getting home should have been no more than an epilogue

By: Lyle

Lyle — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:58:14 +0000

I know this is probably off the subject just a bit, but I wish I could take Star Trek V and

(1) get rid of the slapstick things like Scotty banging his head and tone down the comedy somewhat (but don’t remove it completely, there were a few good jokes in there),

(2) get some much better effects work done (although I must admit, I’ve always loved that shot of the Enterprise-A hanging in front of the moon near the beginning of the movie),

(3) remove the whole Sybok-is-Spock’s-brother bit, the movie could have worked with them being old friends or something,

(4) some improved editing to remove such things as Deck 78, and

(5) tweaking some of the sets, particularly the Jeffries Tubes – they just don’t look right or make sense to me, being larger and brighter than the main ship corridors, plus being pretty straight-looking in a saucer-shaped primary hull.

I think some changes like that would vastly improve STV while keeping the basic story intact. When I watch that film, I always sit there and wonder about what could have been…