And, hey mojonaut! Sorry again about throwing my more colourful metaphors around.

The problem with spending time coming up with one liners for the short films I’m working on is that sometimes those colourful metaphors can leak into other writing. Face it, we all laugh when someone comes up with a cool insult on TV, but if we make a remark like that in real life, we’ll probably get thumped!

Hope we’re all cool now! :)

I know where you’re coming from. It fits with my view that TNG was a completely different show that simply used some bits of Star Trek to sell itself to the network!

Even the characters in DS9 (far more of an actual successor to Star Trek in so many ways!) pretty much rolled their eyes at Galaxy-class starship crews when they arrogantly swaggered around the station.

And I reckon the destruction of the Odyssey and its arrogant crew was pretty much Ron Moore showing us his opinion of the TNG, its characters and philosophy!

For me, the TV shows rank:

Star Trek
Star Trek (animated)
DS9
Voyager
Enterprise (would have rated higher if all the seasons had been as good as most of season 4!)
TNG (that’s my view of it as a show related to Star Trek. As a show in its own right, away from proper Star Trek there were many great pieces of TV!)

Films

TWOK: Trek as gunboat diplomacy. A classic high seas adventure in deep space.

TUC: A brooding treatise on aging and acknowledging that sometimes enmities can’t be solved by one generation and the next has to bury the hatchet.

TVH: A fun, unabashedly-cheesy trip to 1980s San Francisco, with a dash of environmental politics thrown in for good measure.

TSFS: A moody tale, which darkens the events of TWOK.

FC (Frakes realised that TNG isn’t cinematic and threw it out the window in favour of making a cool sci-fi zombie movie featuring TNG characters!)

TFF: Good intentions, sabotaged by messy plotting and scripting, budget cuts and dodgy FX. Also Shatner plays Shatner rather than Kirk.

TMP (pretty looking, but pretty bland!)

Insurrection (aka Star Trek: The TV Movie. Where Rick Berman realises Jonathan Frakes was on to a good thing in FC and, scared his cast might hijack control of the films the way they did in the original Star Trek movies and handcuff’s Frakes’ creativity! had this film been made for TV it would have been an unremarkable bit of fluff and a fun 90 minutes. As a Trek theatrical feature it’s a waste of money!)

Nemesis (aka Star Trek: The Straight-to-Video Movie, aka ‘an embarrassment!’) The best thing about this film was that the scales fell away from people’s eyes and they realised the TNG crew were too old and simply didn’t work away from TV!

Generations: a disgrace and a waste of celluloid! Nuff said!

I applaud the above post and am willing to put the (even further) above to rest. I offer a metaphorical handshake and thank you for the compliment on my DA site.

I can see from that post that you are a reasonable person. I appreciate the thought you put into said post and hope nothing further arises between us.

This post is not in defence of myself, nor DJNeelix (I always hated Neelix as a character, just as an aside… sorry). Just as my original post was not in defence of DJ Neelix or myself. It was simply me standing up for principles.

Dom, I apologise if I came across as somewhat rude myself, but it was simply in defence of my own standards. My interference was not intended to be blown out of proportion. I just have pretty high standards when it comes to how people conduct themselves.

And may that be an end to it all. Apologies to all who feel they have wasted their time reading the above.

In any case, I’d have to say you made quite a response! I am sorry if I misunderstood your post, and yes, I agree with your analysis of Star Trek vs Star Trek: The Next Generation (btw we all know it was just called Star Trek but makes it a lot easier to refer to it as simply TOS because after all, Star Trek is a bigger concept than just that first series).

As for the “How the hell…” part, that was a reference to a Star Trek movie you might not have seen, after all it’s a TNG such ;) In other words, not really meant all that harshly and I wrongfully expected you to get that. I am sorry if it came of as rude, that was not the intention!

I guess I’m insane too, then. TNG was BORING to me. It’s characters were uninteresting, and it had several other ruinous qualities IMO (holodecks, children on the birdge, friendly Klingons, android pinnochios, and ship’s counselors to name a few). I found TAS, “Yesteryear” to be better than any TNG episode aired in 7 seasons.

1. TOS
2. ENT
3. DS9
4. TAS
5. TNG
6. VOY

1. TWOK
2. TMP
3. TSFS
4. TVH
5. TUC
6. FC
7. TFF (aka The Great Trek Turd Of ‘89) and “any” other TNG-era film.

The fact that STXI features Kirk, Spock, and McCoy already places it above any TNG-era film to me, and with nowhere to go but toward the top of the list…

With all due respect (and trying to keep my near limitless patience in check) I was a bit sarky with dj neelix because he/she used unwarranted aggression in post that was a bit ‘WTF!!’ I’d had a long day/night shift, and was a little more loose of tongue than I should be.

If dj neelix chooses to come back and take me up on it, he’s very welcome to. Indeed, often as not on these fora little spats happen, then they resolve themselves amicably a little later.

If you find a post not aimed at you annoying, that’s fine. But you ought to realise that if you find someone’s post replying to another poster annoying, it is best ignored by you and left to the originators of the posts or the moderators. I’ve learned that the hard way in the past.

In interfering you’ve contributed to blowing a petty situation completely out of proportion. If you saw a couple of guys lining up to each other in a bar, you’d keep your distance rather than get thumped in the crossfire.

Your unwarranted interference has made a minor bit of aggro into a full blown barfight.

Now, you’re clearly a talented, intelligent guy, judging by your very impressive deviantART blog, so it’s better I not keep you here arguing the toss with me over trivia and we try to remain civil to one another on other posts.

And I’m also man enough to say sorry for my occasional excesses when I thump people back. So sorry for losing my rag at you and seeya around.

And just because you haven’t noticed me doesn’t mean I haven’t been following (and contributing) to topics on here for quite a while myself. Not that that should make any difference. It’s an internet forum. How long one posts on it doesn’t give them any more or less of a right to be a horse’s ass.

Now you can go on calling me names if you want. I am a nerd, and I’m proud. But really, what has that got to do with anything other than you being rude? Oh… sorry. Your standards for being rude are different to everyone else’s. Mea culpa.

Sad, very sad! And to reply to the ‘annoying’ remark, your post is actually as annoying as an STD (not that I’d know much about STDs myself; maybe you could tell me some of your experiences!!) :p

I’ve been here from the start when there were just a few visitors and I’ve never even noticed you! I quite happily post here, have enjoyed talking to a lots of people and plan to do so for the foreseeable. The only arguments I get into are when someone is rude to me!

This has always been a friendly forum, so when someone metaphorically smacks me in the mouth, I will metaphorically smack them back three times as hard! Too many fora are ruined by self-righteous individuals who dictate their beliefs and politics and refuse to let other people have their say!

DJ Neelix’s remarks were rude and not even relevant to any conversation I had had with him/her/it! I was replying to someone else’s post. If he/she/it hadn’t shoved his/her/its oar in, hadn’t invoked ‘Hell’ and questioned my right to discuss future Treks ***in a topic about future Treks*** I wouldn’t have even raised an eyebrow.

I never post anything here without a friendly smile on my face unless someone is being stroppy. And believe me, I can strop back just as hard.

Now, in my ‘pedantic and condescending’ way I’m not going to perpetuate my presence around you any longer, since you never even bothered to read anything else I was saying!

End of the day, this is Anthony’s forum. If he doesn’t like something I say he or one of the other mods can say so. When I’m reprimanded, I willingly apologise. Some random nerd barking orders at me, though, will get what he/she/it deserves!