Comments on: More From Quinto And Burk About The New Star Trek

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:14:14 +0000

#90—”Even the return of Kor, Koloth and Kang in DS9 turned them into buffoons.”

Absolutely.

By: AJ

AJ — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:33:47 +0000

The Klingons of late TNG onward did indeed become tiresome. Even the return of Kor, Koloth and Kang in DS9 turned them into buffoons.

“Heart of Glory” shpwed promise, but by the time Lursa and B’etor showed up with young Duras, it was clear that the “high efficiency” and ruthlessness” of TOS Klingons had devolved into Bozo the Clown at a gin mill.

By: Jovan

Jovan — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:38:35 +0000

#79: I completely agree with you. I much prefer the gentlemanly, well-spoken foes of Kirk’s era. I absolutely loved when Koloth said, “Ah, my dear Captain Kirk!” with William Campbell speaking in his educated accent. However, Chang is definitely my favourite “ridged” Klingon enemy — Christopher Plummer was well chosen.

Personally though, I thought Star Trek VI, Enterprise, and the comic books “Klingons: Blood Will Tell” did a good job of giving us a little of both TOS and TNG era Klingon. You’ll note the barrister (?) that defended Archer tells him that while the warrior class is the most promoted and glamorous part of the Klingon Empire, teachers, workers, and other professions are pretty much thankless jobs that keep the Empire together, so I thought it was a nice little rectification.

Worf did sort of calm down after a while and into the movies, so I didn’t have much problem with him. I had a problem with all the other Klingons besides Kang, Kor, and Koloth in the TNG era being what you described. There was too much absolutism: ALL Klingon women are ugly — unless crossbred with a human (cue my eyes to roll OUT OF THEIR SOCKETS), ALL Klingons speak like they’ve been smoking cigarettes for 70 years, ALL Klingons have poor hygiene and bad teeth, ALL Klingons are obsessed with battle, ALL Klingons are uneducated barbarians. I agree that basing them completely off of what was clearly a rogue group of the Klingon Empire (especially since the ambassador and others in the TOS movies pretty much act like they did in the TV series) was a very bad idea. It’s not like anyone would take the Romulans from this next movie and base the Romulan Star Empire off of them in any spin-offs… would they?

By: The Underpants Monster

The Underpants Monster — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:42:06 +0000

#77 – I’d pay $9.50 to see that!

By: snake

snake — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:18:51 +0000

anyone else bought the sfx issue? – its worth getting for the ‘50 things’ as it pretty much puts all the trek movie news theres been over the last 2 years in to a concise few pages..

they did the same for superman returns in 05 when everyone thought the film was gonna be amazing…

who knew eh

By: Denise de Arman

Denise de Arman — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:58:59 +0000

BND#77- You make me hot when you seguey so brilliantly, especially when it involves Klingons in pink leotards…

By: Xai

Xai — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:14:48 +0000

After this movie opens I hope as many people find what’s right in this movie as they found wrong before it even came out.

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:05:54 +0000

#83—Yes, exactly..They are playing the same ‘character’.
But is Quinto playing Spock, the same as Quinto playing Nimoy playing Spock? Unless I am mistaken, Quinto has not been cast to play a young Leonard Nimoy filming Star Trek in the mid-to-late 60’s, but a younger version of the character that Nimoy made famous— in an ‘original’ adventure.

What I took from his comments was that some of his portrayal will be from Zach’s distinct point of view of the character, and some of it will be laced with Nimoy’s take.

The question isn’t whether Zach’s portrayal will be unique to him, but how much it will be. Whatever the answer to that question, Mr. Nimoy himself is apparently impressed with the result…

By: Jordan

Jordan — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:09:23 +0000

I don’t totally follow what Zach says here… he must emulate Leonard in some ways… the hands held behind the back, the eyebrow raise… they are playing the same character, after all.

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:00:23 +0000

I should add that I do agree on some levels with your assertion that Spock might have chosen the pluralistic Starfleet as an environment more conducive to his growth, but I imagine it being more of a decison based upon his feelings of displacement at times on Vulcan, and the natural desire of his human side for adventure and exploration (even if that part was subconscious to a certain extent).