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Fringe Update: Episode Review of “Arrival” [UPDATE: Gets Full Season Order] October 1, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Fringe , trackback

The fourth episode of the new genre show Fringe, from Star Trek film makers Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman, JJ Abrams and Bryan Burk, is aptly named, “Arrival” as this may be the one where the show truly ‘arrived’ with its own voice. We have a review and an update on the latest ratings and Fringe news below.

 

 

Review – Fringe episode 4 – "Arrival"
The fourth episode of Fringe "Arrival" may be the one where people went from like the show, to loving it, especially for genre fans. With a tight script written by JJ Abrams and showrunner Jeff Pinker, the episode was full of intrigue, mystery, action, and yet still had time for character moments.    

The mythology of the show took a big leap in this pivotal episode, introducing a new mysterious character called ‘The Observer’ who has been showing at ‘Pattern’ related events for decades, but appears to have a tailor from around 1960. Even more intriguing is that Walter knows this guy and even took some time out to have a root bear float with him. The show also seems to be dipping its toe deeper into genre territory with both the Observer and the episode’s maguffin (the mysterious tunneling thing called ‘The Beacon’) having a lot of possible alien tendencies. There was also a new bad guy who has some sort of ‘ray gun’ and a nasty mind reading torture machine that involves electrodes shoved into victims noses…ouch. Of course with Abrams this is all ‘Mystery Box’ territory where we really have no idea what is going on, but that is all the point.


Expect to see more of no-eyebrows guy

As for the characters, this show was also pivotal. As noted in previous reviews, the character of Peter seemed to not have anything to do. In this episode that issue was faced head on and he actually tried to leave until he saw for himself how big the whole ‘Pattern’ thing was and by the end he was on board and even got his own shiny new laminate badge. Also the character of Walter became a lot more serious in this episode, allaying fears that his mad scientist thing could move into parody. And Anna Torv’s Olivia continues to be haunted by her former lover (and supposed to be dead) John Scott (Mark Valley), and by haunting…I mean literally haunting…like phantom phone calls and showing up at her apartment. Is he really there? Who knows, but it all adds up in the growing mystery that is Fringe.

All in all this episode was certainly the best of the post-premiere shows and everything from the music to the acting seems to be truly finding its own voice. 

Fringe science of the week:

Walter line of the week:
[apologizing to Astrid for injecting her with a sedative against her will]
"If it would help you feel a sense of retribution, I would tell you to inject me too, but I would most likely enjoy it."


Walter knows what it is…but he isn’t talking

Ratings – Fringe helps FOX win youth demo
In its third week out FOX’s Fringe increased its overall viewers to come in around 10 million, which puts it in third place for all viewers, but winning both key 18-49 and 18-34 Demographics. Along with the lead-in show House, FOX won the demos for the night. Fringe is also doing well on the DVR, with its premiere ranking as the number one ‘time shifted’ show for the second week of September. Fringe also has the ‘honor’ of being the 10th most pirated show on BitTorrent. FOX’s overall ratings for the year are up and according to media analyst Magna Global this ‘was helped largely’ by Fringe

Quick Fringe links

Watch episode and extras online
If you missed it, you can watch the show online at Fox.com, in HD. Plus Fox has a full recap and also a bonus feature of ‘Walter’s lab notes.’ More at the official site.


[CLICK to watch FRINGE online]

UPDATE: Fox orders full season
Variety is reporting that Fox as ordered ‘the back nine’ which is industry talk for ‘the rest of the season’ or nine additional episodes of Fringe. Fox Entertainment President Kevin Reilly tells TV Week:

We’re having a blast working on this show with this great team of producers. The series has really taken off creatively, and it’s exciting to see that the audience is responding. We believe this is the first full season of many years to come.

Comments

1. Denise de Arman - October 1, 2008

I am getting into Fringe; however, Anna Torv is not ringing my bell. Her one and only facial expression seems to be eyebrow frowns. Carrying the weight of the show as she is, she needs to harden up to be Homeland Security material.

2. Of Bajor - October 1, 2008

Fringe airs for the first time in the UK this Friday. Looking forward to it very much indeed.

3. XAi - October 1, 2008

I enjoyed last night’s episode, especially Howie Mandel’s older brother introduced as “The Observer”. I hope he’s a semi-frequent flyer on the show.
I do dislike a trend that’s developing however. It seems that every weeks mystery has been worked on, developed by or is based on Walter’s past work for the goverment. Let’s see something that Walter’s NOT seen before please.

4. cagmar - October 1, 2008

Episode 4 was a good, solid mythology episode. It was never overwritten, like all the other episodes with their awkwardly crude dialogue or embarrassing exposition… plus the acting for ep.4 seemed to come up a notch. Nice work, JJ (despite the unnecessary torture scenes).

Problem for me is that I’m not sure why I should keep watching the show. Right now it’s mainly because I want to see what the people in charge of Star Trek are doing. But that isn’t a good enough reason. It’s a new show, it has to have its own merits. I shouldn’t be watching it because of Lost’s merits, or because of my curiosity about Star Trek!

So are the stories in Fringe thought provoking? No, their frenzied and incomplete ideas basically disappear when the credits roll. Are the characters ones I will miss if I don’t visit them each week? No, I’m only just now beginning to accept that Peter isn’t an actor. Is there something within the four corners of this show that makes anything happening, whether its in the mythology or in the science-of-the-week, something important to me? No.

Something’s missing guys. That fact that your names are on it is a good place to start. But give us more, please. Soon.

5. Enterprise - October 1, 2008

Is this still on?

6. Chris P Neudel - October 1, 2008

This show reeks of the other Star-Trek’s producers recent Sci- Flop, “Threshold”.

7. Enterprise - October 1, 2008

Yeah, I hate these X Files knock off type shows.

8. Thehaggard - October 1, 2008

The Observer is very similar to all the 1960s and 70s literature on The Men In Black (most UNLIKE the movie MiB and MiB II) – I am pretty sure on this episode, while at the hospital at the end, they said that the shooter (mysterious man in the Mike from the Monkeys Hat) was named Jim Mosely, the name of a real UFO and MiB researcher. Mosely is something of a true skeptic, not a negativist and not a true-believer. He is not sold on any one theory of UFOs and would say there is a possibility that UFOs are all terrestrial fringe science. He has a magazine called “Saucer Smear” which as titled I think tells a lot about his views. Perhaps there is something here that the writers are drawing on?

9. jdawg - October 1, 2008

I LIKE the show.

10. sean - October 1, 2008

#6

Fringe is NOTHING like Threshold. For one thing, it’s interesting!

11. Daoud - October 1, 2008

‘Twould be funny for JJ to get permission from BB to introduce in guest roles some of the characters from Threshold. And Lost.

In due course. After all, perhaps Fringe is on the fringe of many other genre shows… And a meta-show would be a unique twist for Fringe to take.

12. Tog - October 1, 2008

I’m starting to feel concerned for the Star Trek project, these new shows and the movie “Eagle Eye” are lack luster, the characters don’t connect for me; so will this carry on to the Capt. chair? Hope Not!

13. Izbot - October 1, 2008

If this is an “X-Files knockoff” I’m finding it more watchable and interesting than the original source material.

14. montreal paul - October 1, 2008

Wow.. the episodes get better and better. love this show. Last night’s was fascinating. The more I see from the Trek guy’s, the more I feel that Trek is in great hands. They love Sci-Fi and they love Trek.. how can it not go well!

Keep up the great work guys!

15. Xai - October 1, 2008

It may not be a fav among some here, but I like it and find it far more watchable than 80% of the shows currently on American TV.

“The Biggest Loser” I know some people have benefited from the show, I still consider it akin to a carnival side-show.

“Dr. Phil” can’t solve his own problems

I won’t go on…

16. Charles H. Root, III - October 1, 2008

@12. Tog: Thank you… I’ve been saying this for weeks.

@5. Enterprise: Yeah, why is this still on? And why do we keep seeing reviews for it on TrekMovie?

http://www.fazed.net/forum/view/?id=29806&p=1

17. krikzil - October 1, 2008

Hmm…I gave up on the show after Ep 3. Maybe I should give it one more chance.

18. Capt. Fred - October 1, 2008

#15 – Exactly. I find Fringe more interesting than any other show on right now.

Like:
“Lost” – it has a good title. I was lost watching just one episode.
“Heroes” – too weird…
“American Idol” – AGGGHH! WHY WON’T IT END!!??
“One Tree Hill” – what’s the point? It’s just another show about highschool kids with problems.
“Hannah Montana” – die… please die.

There’s tons more…

19. Buddykarl - October 1, 2008

#8

YES! Throughout the whole UFO mythology, they describe the MiB as a person or persons just like the Observer!…As soon as I saw him, I shouted out MEN IN BLACK, to which my son looked at me and said he looked nothing like the Will Smith movies depiction of the MiB. We had a nice discussion on the whole UFO witness description of Men In Black they encountered, how they acted, how they looked, usually bald, no eyebrows, dressed immaculately in clothing that looked out of date but neatly pressed and brand new. How they spoke in monotones and did not act like normal people, how they were almost robotic and did things that witnesses later described as if someone was trying to act human but were not really sure on what that was supposed to be.

Fringe nearly nailed it with how the Observer acted and how he ate, what he ate on his sandwich and how he drank the glass of water in one gulp and wrote in a cryptic language while observing through things that looked old tech but were really high tech items. I hope they keep this character and show more of the classic MiB descriptions from UFO mythology.

I do get the whole X-File vibe from this show, but having enjoyed that and having Orci’s cousin in my house on a regular basis and who implored us to watch this creation of his cousin, it is starting to grow on me like a fungus.

20. cyberghost - October 1, 2008

I still think the first episode was the best, the rest are ho hum, but last nights was better, you could see it in the writting. I have got used to shows that have an arc, like Lost, BSG (Best show on TV in Years) among others. Non Eposodic shows dont hook me for the next week, Fringe does a little, but I have a feeling its going to be leading to something big, and there will be an overall arc, its going to take a while.

I just hope it doesnt turn into the monster, nasty virus, killer gaget etc. of the week.

But I will watch this over American Idol, reality shows anyday, like they say, “the masses are for the asses”

21. Driver - October 1, 2008

It started off good, but quickly became convoluted. Keep the black Head of Operations guy, the MiB guy, 86 the rest of the cast. Get fresh blood in. Heck, do a MiB series instead.

22. Petey - October 1, 2008

Maybe I’m living in the past, but I like the whole syndication feel to Fringe.

As with shows like Las Vegas, Numb3rs and CSI, I don’t feel like I need to know much backstory before watching and enjoying an episode. Unlike the three shows I mentioned earlier, I actually do look forward to each new episode and plan to watch it religiously.

I believe Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman are more than aware when they have the leeway to try new things (as with Fringe), and when they have to bring their mainstream A-game (as they did with Cloverfield and Transformers respectively). My confidence in them remains strong.

23. dayxday - October 1, 2008

Yawn…wow JJ, that’s really neat. How about a pic of the Enterprise or a new trailer. Nighty night zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

24. darfyn - October 1, 2008

Goodnight Daxyday , I will come over and we can watch fring..zzzzzzzzz Together ….

25. mikeEhunt - October 1, 2008

So the guys responsible for Eagle Eye are writing Trek? Now Im extremely worried…

26. MONGO - October 1, 2008

#23 and #24

It look like love in air.

27. Thomas - October 1, 2008

Fringe isn’t holding me the way I hoped it would. I sincerely wanted to like this show, but it does nothing for me. I missed last night’s episode because I actually forgot it was on. I have two major complaints about the show, and they both involve fundamental aspects of the show:
1. I can’t buy the “fringe science” as remotely plausible; it just sounds too made up. Others have mentioned here before that the show would benefit from a science advisor, and I would agree.
2. I don’t know if it’s the actress or the way the character is written, but Olivia Dunham is easily the least interesting character on the show. She’s not bad, but just uninteresting, as if she were remarkably unremarkable.

28. max - October 1, 2008

I like this show. This was the best one yet. Looks like Fringe might be hitting its stride early. Lots of mythology, and people watch JJ Abrams shows for the mythology (and the characters). The observer reminded me of Rod Serling, or Uatu the Watcher from Marvel Comics. As for the beacon, I have a feeling it doesn’t really matter what it is at the end of the day. And that’s just fine. Walter is a hoot. He’s as fun to watch as Michael Emmerson on Lost.

29. jimkirk - October 1, 2008

Because I am interested in the new Star Trek movie, I tuned into Fringe to see what the same team has created, and for me, it is very watchable, and interesting enough to tivo each week.. it definitely has the x-file feel but also different.. that is my hope and their hope for the new Star Trek, a little bit of history and the flavor of the original with a lot of newness..

30. MAT - October 2, 2008

Yep, great, wonderful .. so when are we going to see the first Star Trek trailer?

31. Enterprise - October 2, 2008

WHAT? This piece of garbage gets a full season while BSG struggles on the Sci Fi Channel gasping for breath each year?

32. Maurício - October 2, 2008

What about the damned Star Trek trailler we’re itching to see?

33. star trackie - October 2, 2008

Great episode . I just wish writers, in general, wouldn’t plant little seeds unless they have a firm committment to produce enough episodes to let the seeds grow. Way too often the idea is there, carefully buried and planned to slowly unravel as the series progresses, only to get canceled leaving all the questions posed so far, forever unanswered. That’s the danger of long story arcs in episodic television and one of the reasons I prefer stand alone stories. But this episode really was good.

34. Jon - October 2, 2008

The episodes keep getting better and better. The pilot was pretty good, the second was . . . well, I kept watching because the pilot was so good. The third one was noticably better, and this fourth one was really compelling. Peter Bishop continues to struggle to have well-written lines, and I agree that Olivia Dunham still needs more to do than furrow her eybrows and look attractive. But Walter’s character is just so appealing, Broyles is so commanding, and the Nina Stark Massive Dynamics cyborg chick is so creepy that it makes me want to watch more to see what they’ll do next. Keeping the mythology on the light side is a good idea. Otherwise you end up like Lost (and BSG, sorry guys) which is now drowning in its own mythology.

35. CaptainJTK - October 2, 2008

I never got into X-Files myself, but I’m enjoying Fringe. I think it’s starting slowly, but it’s nice to be able to watch a show with some resolution each week that still has something else to look forward to. At least now we know there’ll be a full season.

I’m very curious though as to why many here seem to feel the show is boring. I see complaints about Olivia, but after the trauma she’s been through, I think it will take time before we see her open up.

As far as the science, well it’s supposed to be on the edge of plausibility, I think. Isn’t that what the “fringe” is? Sort of like, throw it out there and see what sticks. I mean, if you want real solid science, there are plenty of other shows on PBS for that.

Anyway, I like it and I’m looking forward to watching the story unfold.

36. trekboi - October 2, 2008

18- “hannah montana- die…please die.”

made me laugh out loud- more than the american dad iepisode i was half watching at the time.

As for Fringe i like it but walter being responsible for every episodes mystery is going is getting annoying- it might be a part of the big picture but they might want to retink that.

37. Joe Schmoe - October 2, 2008

I watched the premiere and it was OK. I have taped the rest since, but haven’t been compelled to watch them yet.

So I guess that means that I WANT to want it, but I’m not getting enough vibes out there to feel that I MUST watch it.

38. ensign joe - October 2, 2008

Hmmmm I think the problems with the science wouldn’t be such a problem if the show didn’t come off as realistic.. Trek, Dr. Who, much scifi is chock full of far-fetched tech.. Setting Fringe in the present day hurts the cred of the tech even though it shouldn’t matter as its clearly fiction and who says they need to adhere to reality..

39. Dr. Image - October 2, 2008

The show just does not cut it for me.
Just because it’s from JJ &Co. doesn’t mean it’s automatically some kind of classic. Same went for Berman & Braga’s Trek.
Face it: The emperor has no clothes- this time anyhow.

40. woosadoo - October 2, 2008

CHRISTMAS GUYS! The trailer is coming at Christmas.

Get over it and your selves.

It will come out when it comes out and not before. Cripes. Leave the compalining and moaning to the Trek topics for goodness sake.

Fringe is a good show and improves with each episode. (See? I can stay on topic).

41. mikeEhunt - October 2, 2008

I thought the new trailer was supposed to be out already what gives??? The movie wrapped already so C”mON!!!!!!!

42. Buddykarl - October 2, 2008

okay….show of hands…how many of you, after watching this show, go to your window and look outside to see if you can see the large words showing your location?

mebbe it’s just me, but don’t you wish they showed someone running into them or maybe a car or bus crashing into the large words showing the location?

43. woosadoo - October 2, 2008

#42 – I don’t about you, but there are big words floating all over the place when I’m driving around town. Yesterday, I saw “Urgent Care, 7:45 PM” then this morning I saw “Medical Center, Wyoming, MI” it was freaky.

44. CaptainlordBat - October 2, 2008

#37 what is this “tape” you speak of?

45. max - October 2, 2008

#40 – I’m with you. I want to see the trailer too, but there are other things in life to enjoy in while we wait. What’s the point of going into threads that are not even about Star Trek and complaining about the Trailer? Just be patient for another month or two.

46. Boborci - October 2, 2008

you won’t have to wait till X-mas

47. Boborci - October 2, 2008

to see things, that is

48. Closettrekker - October 2, 2008

#31—I don’t know anything about BSG (I’ve never seen it), but so far, ‘Fringe’ has alot of people watching. 10 million is alot of viewers for the 4th episode.

Obviously, you do not have to like everything that’s on, but a “piece of garbage”? That seems a bit harsh.

I’m curious as to what you feel is a good show?

I don’t have alot of network shows on my TiVo season pass, but here’s the short list:

‘Lost’-NBC
‘Heroes’-NBC
‘Fringe’-FOX

That’s about it for the “network” shows…

I do have some other regular series I record on TiVo outside of the major networks:

‘Entourage’-HBO
‘True Blood’-HBO
‘The Tudors’-Showtime

My wife also put ‘Weeds’-Showtime, ‘Smallville’-WB, and ‘Friday Night Lights’-101Network (formerly on NBC), all of which I find watchable at least, on our “Season Pass” list.

The rest of what I watch/TiVo is either sports, The History Channel, Biography, one of the Discovery Channels, or any of the consistently well done productions from HBO Films.

We’re busy people, so we rarely watch television on the schedule of the networks. Other than sports, nearly everything is on TiVo, and watched at our convenience.

We haven’t watched the latest episode yet, but I like ‘Fringe’, and I think it gets better every episode. Apparently, so does a growing viewing audience…I can see it not being someone else’s “cup of tea”, but “garbage”? It seems to me that there is a whole lot worse on, and I would reserve the term “garbage” for the dozens of trashy and exploitive reality shows and talk shows out there. But that’s just my opinion…

49. Arthur Simone - October 2, 2008

Sorry, but this site is about Trek or Fringe? I’m confused…

50. Closettrekker - October 2, 2008

#49—-I’ll assume that you are not just being sarcastic.

It is also about Trek-related material, including some of the work that past and present Trek actors, writers, producers, directors, etc. are doing.

Obviously, ‘Fringe’ is full of people on board who are working/have worked on the current Star Trek movie— including its writers, director, and executive producer.

I think that makes it relevant enough…

51. Closettrekker - October 2, 2008

#39—-”Just because it’s from JJ &Co. doesn’t mean it’s automatically some kind of classic.”

You’re right. It does not. However, I think it is far too early to say it is or isn’t “some kind of classic”.

You don’t like it. Fine. Alot of people do, no matter who is behind it. The fact that Orci, Kurtzman, Burk, and Abrams are involved is simply the reason it’s being talked about here. I think the posters on this thread, as well as Anthony (in his reviews), are judging it on what they believe are its own merits and/or shortcomings.

52. montreal paul - October 2, 2008

#46 & #47 – boborci

Oh really? That’s just a little tease for us! lol. Care to share a little more of what you know? ;)

hey Bob, REALLY enjoying Fringe. Keep up the great work. Love the writing on the show… this week’s episode was fantastic! Makes me curious to see how you guys have handled Trek. I can’t wait for.. anything that will be seen in the coming months. Looking forward to it!

53. alamo - October 2, 2008

Hey, I liked Threshold! What the heck is BSG?

54. richpit - October 2, 2008

I really like this show. It’s getting better every ep. I agree somewhat with the critiques of Anna Torv, but she’ll grow into the part.

Glad to hear that it’ll get a full season.

55. MONGO - October 2, 2008

#53

You make joke? BSG is Battlestar Galactica.

Closettrekker mans, you would like BSG Mongo think, just judging from list of show watch. Mongo love BSG and Mongo have pretty good taste.

56. Charles H. Root, III - October 2, 2008

@ 53. alamo – You’re kidding, right?!?!?!

BSG = Battle Star Galactica

57. the king in shreds and tatters - October 2, 2008

what’s up with aliens without eyebrows.

ITS NOT THAT HARD. YOU JUST DRAW THEM ON, GUYS.

58. Closettrekker - October 2, 2008

#55—-Closettrekker mans trust Mongo…Maybe Closet try BSG on dvd someday like ENT…Closet and Mrs. Closet watch too many shows. Closet not stay caught up… Closet get behind too much in football season…Closet love football on Sunday, Monday, and sometimes Thursday…Closet already give up college game for work on Saturdays…Closet make time for BSG someday.

59. MONGO - October 2, 2008

Closettrekker mans

Mongo with you there, brother. All Mongo watch is sci-fi show and movie and football. Mongo has all BSG on DVD. Maybe Closettrekker mans come over on Sunday and Mongo fire up grill and throw 312 brats on and we watch football till 10 PM (Mongo West Coast) and then start in on BSG DVD.

You bring chip and dip. Mongo has soda. Closettrekker mans likes beer? Or stick with soda.

60. sad fan - October 2, 2008

Rumor is that if the new Star Trek movie is successful, that higher ups have already gotten in contact with Brannon Bragga and other writers to help come up with an ew Star Trek show–although if the show will take place in the continuity of the new movie or whether it will explore a totally new star trek concept are not yet known at this time. Stay tuned……

61. Closettrekker - October 2, 2008

Closettrekker mans think football game not complete without beer…think maybe that state law in Texas…Not know about law on West Coast…Closet no like get arrested for no beer.

62. star trackie - October 2, 2008

Boborci- That’s great news that I’ll be seeing what I want to see sooner than i thought I’d see it. Any thoughts on if I’ll be seeing it between the arrival of Linus’s hero and the arrival of the floating snoopy?

And congrats on the season pick up on Fringe. I’m so tired of reality shows and gameshows, it’s great to be able to invest my time into a good orignial fresh hour of TV. Well done! By the way, who is the other Orci in the credits? Brother?

63. star trackie - October 2, 2008

..and sad fan…IF that rumor is true, you are only one of many. It would be a sad day indeed. Hopefully Braga has his hands full with 24 and his new show.

64. Closettrekker - October 2, 2008

#60—Where did you hear that rumor?

I’d like a new Trek series at some point, but as far away from Braga and/or Berman as possible. Star Trek fans deserve a fresher approach at the helm, and one that will help infuse new blood into the fanbase. It’s difficult to say for certain without seeing the film, but right now, I’d say that ‘Bad Robot’ would be a good place to start–although I am a fan of Manny Coto as well.

65. Arthur Simone - October 2, 2008

#50 – Yeah, i’ve been sarcastic…
I live in Sao paulo – Brazil, and we can’t see Fringe on TV yet… even in cable…

66. starfleetmom - October 2, 2008

It’s stupid.

67. Closettrekker - October 2, 2008

#66—Well, that was insightful!

If ‘Fringe’ is “stupid”, I sure wish they would put more “stupid” programming on the air. For a “stupid” show, it sure seems to do pretty well, especially with the most influential ratings demographics (males 18-49).

I’m rather picky with my TiVo Season Passes, and ‘Fringe’ looks like it will be there for awhile…

68. ensign joe - October 2, 2008

Just because people watch it doesn’t mean its good. Equally uninsightful.

69. Floydhead Max! - October 2, 2008

BobOrci-

Come on man, don’t tease us like that without more details! totally unfair LOL!! please spill additional beans!!!

By the way, unlike some people around here, I LOVE your new show, it just keeps gettin better!! Keep up the good work!

Until Next Time,
FM!!

70. Closettrekker - October 2, 2008

#68—I do think it’s good, and apparently, an estimated 999,999,999 people thought it was good enough to tune in this week.

I don’t claim that particular bit of information to be “insightful”…But simply posting, “It’s stupid”, deserved (IMO) at least the challenge of presenting a reason (or some ‘insight’, if you will) as to why she feels that way.

It’s obviously not the presence of imaginary science, since Starfleetmom is a big TNG fan…What’s wrong with asking why?

And since you felt a need to jump into the fray, do you think it’s “stupid”?

If so, why?

71. ensign joe - October 2, 2008

#70

I’ve been tuning in ($1.99 an episode on itunes) and will continue to check out this first season. To describe the show as simply “stupid” without description is just malarky.. as to what’s wrong with just asking why.. well.. besides the loss of innocence I find little wrong with asking why.. I just thought the reaction to the “stupid” comment did nothing to actually address the comment itself but was instead a solicited reaction..

personally I think its too early to make too many judgements about the show.. sometimes these things need room to breathe and I believe Orci et al have their minds in the right place..

lable me cautiously optimistic

as for:
“It’s obviously not the presence of imaginary science, since Starfleetmom is a big TNG fan…”

check out #38

oh and starfleetmom… your link needs to be updated

72. Closettrekker - October 2, 2008

#71—”I just thought the reaction to the “stupid” comment did nothing to actually address the comment itself but was instead a solicited reaction..”

I consider myself a fairly literate person, but I guess I don’t understand the implication.

“a solicited reaction”?

Solicited by whom?

“personally I think its too early to make too many judgements about the show.. sometimes these things need room to breathe and I believe Orci et al have their minds in the right place..”

As do I. Just because it’s on my Season Pass for now, doesn’t mean it will be there next year…but so far, so good.

I did see your post #38. I think that is a valid opinion, I suppose, but I don’t agree with it.

I was a fan of ‘The X-Files’ for the first 4 or 5 seasons, and the fact that it’s setting was concurrent with its run did not prevent me from being entertained at all.

Superman: The Movie and Jaws are two of my favorite films. Both were set in (what was then) “the present”. I certainly didn’t think either were plausible!
I don’t think it is any more significant with ‘Fringe’. Classify it as whatever you want…Sci-fi, fantasy….(maybe it’s “fringe” sci-fi). If it’s entertaining, I’ll record it and watch it at my leisure, and in the end, that’s all that really matters in my house.

“lable me cautiously optimistic”

Fair enough. Just label me “entertained”.

73. Denise de Arman - October 2, 2008

Buddykari#42- LOL!

woosadoo#43- Also LOL!

Boborci#46 & #47- So, when you were a kid and your father said, “Bobby, did you take the clothes off of your sister’s Barbie again?”, did you say:

1) Clothes and clothes – what is clothes? or
2) Sister? Is that a girl? or
3) You will not have to wait until Christmas. To see naked Barbie again,
that is.
4) all of the above

74. Joe Cocolo - October 2, 2008

Hey,

What was up with the seemingly future tech used by The Observer and Moseley? Observer had some very retro-looking binocs that had a very futuristic function. He also had what looked like a an old handgun but operated like some type of sonic blaster.

Then Moseley had what was either a pulsed energy weapon or a mini railgun (a la Eraser). Not to mention his mind reading rig.

Maybe there’s a time-travel element here. But who knows?

75. darfyn - October 2, 2008

Daxyday and myself are moving to Deep Space 10 , and We’re inviting Mongo and his 312 kids as Security Officer , and MikeE as his Adjutant . Bill Shatner , Nichelle Nichols , Wally Koenig , Jon Frakes , Marina Sirtis , Gates McFadden , Mike Dorn , Levar Burton , Brent Spiner , Whoopi Goldberg , Will Wheaton , Jon deLancie , Avery Brooks , Rene Auberjonois , Cirroc Lofton , Nana Visitor , Terry Farrell , Armin Shimmerman , Aron Eisenberg , Max Grodenchik , Chase Masterson , Kate Mulgrew , Bob Beltran , Bob McNeill , Bob Picardo , Tim Russ , Ethan Phillips , Garrett Wang , Roxy Dawson , Jennifer Lien , Connor Trinneer , John Billingsley , Tony Montgomery , Dominic Keating , Gary Graham and Linda Park are invited too , and all these have an option to invite their friends ! Unfortunately , Patrick Stewart is again evaluating all his future projects ! The other two considered , were Jeri Ryan and Jolene Blalock , but they have said they have been overbooked and need special exposure for more developments !!! And Jonathan Bakula , says he has been abducted again !!!! Aaah !!!!

76. krikzil - October 2, 2008

“you won’t have to wait till X-mas”

Thanksgiving perhaps? Oh let the games begin….

As for Fringe, I watched the first 3 episodes and it really didn’t do much for me. I’m not a big tv viewer but I do gravitate to the genre shows — I have never watched one hour of reality tv and never ever will. I didn’t watch X-Files so I can’t judge whether it’s similar or not. I do watch LOST and Heroes, liked many of the HBO series and really like Dexter on Showtime. It’s sick and twisted but done so well. Loved Farscape.

77. Michael Chris - October 3, 2008

I’m loving this show. Very enjoyable.

78. Closettrekker - October 3, 2008

#76—’Dexter’ is one I haven’t seen, but I love ‘The Tudors’, and although it’s more my wife’s thing, ‘Weeds’ is pretty funny.

‘Showtime’ has come a long way, baby….(since the days of ‘Red Shoe Diaries’ being their staple series).

‘HBO’ is still the big kid on the block, though.

I love ‘Entourage’, ‘Sopranos’ was probably my all time favorite drama, ‘Band Of Brothers’ was great, I thoroughly enjoyed ‘Rome’ and ‘John Adams’, ‘True Blood’ is growing on me, and I haven’t even gotten around to ‘Generation Kill’ yet. Their original films are nothing to scoff at either. I can’t wait to see what they come up with next.

‘Lost’ and ‘Heroes’ are the only two network tv shows (other than ‘Fringe’) I currently make room on the TiVo box for.

79. krikzil - October 3, 2008

#76—’Dexter’ is one I haven’t seen, but I love ‘The Tudors’, and although it’s more my wife’s thing, ‘Weeds’ is pretty funny.

Try to catch Dexter if you can. It is very twisted but somehow works….a sympathic serial killer! Loved The Tudors. I haven’t caught Weeds.

“I love ‘Entourage’, ‘Sopranos’ was probably my all time favorite drama, ‘Band Of Brothers’ was great, I thoroughly enjoyed ‘Rome’ and ‘John Adams’, ‘True Blood’ is growing on me, and I haven’t even gotten around to ‘Generation Kill’ yet. Their original films are nothing to scoff at either. I can’t wait to see what they come up with next.”

Rome and John Adams were great. I haven’t made up my mind about True Blood yet. Generation Kill was interesting. I liked Deadwood too and was so sorry they ended it.

80. Closettrekker - October 3, 2008

#79—”Try to catch Dexter if you can. It is very twisted but somehow works….a sympathic serial killer!”

I always meant to, but somehow never got around to it. The premise was somewhat appealing (in a sick way). I’ll have to check it out on DVD so I can see it from the beginning, unless I can TiVo one of those marathons that start from the very beginning. I hate mising the first episodes…I’m just weird like that, I guess.

I forgot about ‘Deadwood’! That was pretty good too. I’ve got ‘Generation Kill’ on TiVo, but I hesitate with it for personal reasons…I might need a little more time on that, although I’m sure it’s good. There isn’t very much out of HBO Films I don’t like.

81. Izbot - October 4, 2008

60. sad fan –
“Rumor is that if the new Star Trek movie is successful, that higher ups have already gotten in contact with Brannon Bragga and other writers to help come up with an ew Star Trek show–although if the show will take place in the continuity of the new movie or whether it will explore a totally new star trek concept are not yet known at this time. Stay tuned……”

Don’t think there’s any truth to this. Braga has his hands full developing some new show presently (as was covered on this site recently).

79. krikzil & closettrekker —

Yeah, Dexter rocks.

82. Izbot - October 4, 2008

60. sad fan -
And Braga, like all Ron Moore and all the other former Trek show-runners, most likely wants to focus on something he can call his own and not come back to Trek where he’d stayed for almost 20 years. Braga is no longer well liked among Trek fans and I’d think he’d be reluctant to return in any capacity. His and Berman’s much-touted “valentine to the fans”, the series finale of ENT, is so widely disliked that even the editors of the Trek novels have chosen to undo what it accomplished.

‘Course money talks in Hollywood and network executives are some of the most obtuse people on the planet. It would’nt surprise me entirely to find out Braga had been approached but I don’t see him wanting the job. It’s also ‘way too early, imo, for CBS to be wanting a new Trek show. Oversaturation is what turned viewers off in the first place and it hasn’t even been five years since a Trek show was on TV.

I have no doubt Trek will return to television eventually but I think it may be at least a couple more years before that happens. If Braga was *somehow* given the reigns again we might see another famous Trek letter-writing compaign but this time in protest to the network’s choice.

83. krikzil - October 5, 2008

“There isn’t very much out of HBO Films I don’t like.”

Me too. They definitely set the bar, although some of the other cable networks are now putting out some good stuff.

I also like that Dr Who spin off on BBC America — Torchwood. But then I like a lot of British television. Fawlty Towers remains one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen thanks to John Cleese.

84. liz - April 30, 2009

Did someone else noticed clear reference to the ROSWELL theme, end of 90s tv series, the diner, odd eating habits i.e lots of pepper and tabasco sauce, waitresses!! and then they find something that looks completely like stones in Roswell, just bigger, plus olivia goes to the town called Rosevile. cant be a coincidence!! why nobody noticed it? couldnt find any references on the internet.

im not buying the show at all, so unbelievable

85. Introspective - August 8, 2009

Overall. Fringe is good TV series. It reminds me a little bit to Torchwood and X Files. I hope that it will not be spoiled over time.

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