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		<title>By: FishHead</title>
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		<dc:creator>FishHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Spock look so computer made???? he looks like a cartoon carakter.....</description>
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		<title>By: Billy Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I understand bits and pieces of the plot that I&#039;ve already heard, this movie is a time travel piece with Romulan assasins being sent back in time ala The Terminator to wipe out Kirk and his crew at varying times of thier formative years before they become the Universe savers they turn out to be later in life. (Sort of a retroactive abortion?)  The older Spock is sent to intercept and recruits his younger self to help.  There are actual scenes with Kirk and Spock as children although they don&#039;t interact which means theres more involved for Leonard Nimoy than just a cameo.  A little confusing but I like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I understand bits and pieces of the plot that I&#8217;ve already heard, this movie is a time travel piece with Romulan assasins being sent back in time ala The Terminator to wipe out Kirk and his crew at varying times of thier formative years before they become the Universe savers they turn out to be later in life. (Sort of a retroactive abortion?)  The older Spock is sent to intercept and recruits his younger self to help.  There are actual scenes with Kirk and Spock as children although they don&#8217;t interact which means theres more involved for Leonard Nimoy than just a cameo.  A little confusing but I like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also......does anyone know if Kirks arch nemesis Finnegan is gonna be in the movie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also&#8230;&#8230;does anyone know if Kirks arch nemesis Finnegan is gonna be in the movie?</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Quinto as Spock looks uncanny.  I saw another photo on another site where he&#039;s chokeslamming Kirk.  Can you say Amok Time?  Cue the fight music!  At first I wasn&#039;t sure about Pine as Kirk,  but the more I see him the better I feel about it,  ( I still feel this movie shoulda been made 10 years ago with a younger Matt Damon as Kirk, oh well) One question,  whats with all the curly hair on Chekhov?  I know the Beatles cut Walter Koenig  sported in the 60&#039;s would look dumb now but really....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Quinto as Spock looks uncanny.  I saw another photo on another site where he&#8217;s chokeslamming Kirk.  Can you say Amok Time?  Cue the fight music!  At first I wasn&#8217;t sure about Pine as Kirk,  but the more I see him the better I feel about it,  ( I still feel this movie shoulda been made 10 years ago with a younger Matt Damon as Kirk, oh well) One question,  whats with all the curly hair on Chekhov?  I know the Beatles cut Walter Koenig  sported in the 60&#8217;s would look dumb now but really&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#561---&quot;There’s not yet a sense that the Romulan government, in either timeframe (23rd Century or post-”Nemesis”), has a clue what’s going on&quot;

I agree. My feeling (and there is nothing concrete to back it up) is that this is a &#039;rogue&#039; Romulan faction or small group who has chosen to undertake this task---whatever that may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#561&#8212;&#8221;There’s not yet a sense that the Romulan government, in either timeframe (23rd Century or post-”Nemesis”), has a clue what’s going on&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. My feeling (and there is nothing concrete to back it up) is that this is a &#8216;rogue&#8217; Romulan faction or small group who has chosen to undertake this task&#8212;whatever that may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Rosenzweig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Rosenzweig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#560 - &quot;I’ve yet to see anything but asthetic changes, something we all know had to happen.&quot;

Agreed so far.

&quot;If Bob Orci says &#039;anything which ‘appears’ to violate canon will have a canon explanation&#039;, then I see no reason to doubt that. What that says to me is simply that the story may debunk some fans preconceived notions about the characters’ backstories, but not actually openly contradict canon.&quot;

For the most part, I agree. however, the one &quot;out&quot; they have, and the reason why I&#039;ve aked a much more specific question that has remained unanswered for months, is that alternate timelines and an Everett-esque concept of a multiverse are canonical in Trek, so simply saying that there&#039;ll be a canon explanation doesn&#039;t lay that concern to rest. But when they say that their intent is that the movie is to be considered part of the Trek world that we know, that&#039;s a stronger statement.

Now, if they will simply confirm, simply and straightforwardly, that whatever happens (and I don&#039;t need to know that part ;) ), the result of this film is still intended to lead directly into the same Trekverse we&#039;ve always had, or one so similar that what&#039;s already been established remains established, I can rest easy and enjoy what&#039;s coming out about the film without reservation. The fact that the question I have asked remains unanswered, when a simple, non-plot-revealing &quot;Yes&quot; would suffice, continues to leave the rebootista door open just enough of a crack for me to remain uncomfortable.

&quot;I’m not worried about the timeline. If anything, changes to the original timeline will “protect” the sanctity of the original series—not disrespect it.&quot;

We can but hope. 

&quot;When I see a Romulan attack on the USS Kelvin prior to “Balance Of Terror”, yet after the Earth-Romulan War, I assume that something has unbalanced the timeline (unless it was previously unknown what happened to the Kelvin). However, we do not know to what extent that change will affect the timeline we know.&quot;

That&#039;s the thing, of course. The Kelvin&#039;s crew (and anyone else) may never have known it was a Romulan attack. After all, we&#039;re talking about a ship from over a century in the future (assuming what we think we know about the scene is correct). But was that ship &quot;meant&quot; to be destroyed in the regular Trekverse, or does this spark a change? And since we also have heard that there may be multiple alternate timelines in response to various strategems by Nero, it&#039;s hard to know whether one incident is the core of the situation, or merely one thing building on another, etc. (Consider the overlapping complexities of such actions in &quot;Year of Hell&quot;, though in the end the original continuum was restored.)

(snip)

&quot;The question may very well be, how significant is the attack on the Kelvin? The Romulans must have thought it significant.&quot;

Ahh, but which Romulans? There&#039;s not yet a sense that the Romulan government, in either timeframe (23rd Century or post-&quot;Nemesis&quot;), has a clue what&#039;s going on. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#560 &#8211; &#8220;I’ve yet to see anything but asthetic changes, something we all know had to happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed so far.</p>
<p>&#8220;If Bob Orci says &#8216;anything which ‘appears’ to violate canon will have a canon explanation&#8217;, then I see no reason to doubt that. What that says to me is simply that the story may debunk some fans preconceived notions about the characters’ backstories, but not actually openly contradict canon.&#8221;</p>
<p>For the most part, I agree. however, the one &#8220;out&#8221; they have, and the reason why I&#8217;ve aked a much more specific question that has remained unanswered for months, is that alternate timelines and an Everett-esque concept of a multiverse are canonical in Trek, so simply saying that there&#8217;ll be a canon explanation doesn&#8217;t lay that concern to rest. But when they say that their intent is that the movie is to be considered part of the Trek world that we know, that&#8217;s a stronger statement.</p>
<p>Now, if they will simply confirm, simply and straightforwardly, that whatever happens (and I don&#8217;t need to know that part ;) ), the result of this film is still intended to lead directly into the same Trekverse we&#8217;ve always had, or one so similar that what&#8217;s already been established remains established, I can rest easy and enjoy what&#8217;s coming out about the film without reservation. The fact that the question I have asked remains unanswered, when a simple, non-plot-revealing &#8220;Yes&#8221; would suffice, continues to leave the rebootista door open just enough of a crack for me to remain uncomfortable.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m not worried about the timeline. If anything, changes to the original timeline will “protect” the sanctity of the original series—not disrespect it.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can but hope. </p>
<p>&#8220;When I see a Romulan attack on the USS Kelvin prior to “Balance Of Terror”, yet after the Earth-Romulan War, I assume that something has unbalanced the timeline (unless it was previously unknown what happened to the Kelvin). However, we do not know to what extent that change will affect the timeline we know.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the thing, of course. The Kelvin&#8217;s crew (and anyone else) may never have known it was a Romulan attack. After all, we&#8217;re talking about a ship from over a century in the future (assuming what we think we know about the scene is correct). But was that ship &#8220;meant&#8221; to be destroyed in the regular Trekverse, or does this spark a change? And since we also have heard that there may be multiple alternate timelines in response to various strategems by Nero, it&#8217;s hard to know whether one incident is the core of the situation, or merely one thing building on another, etc. (Consider the overlapping complexities of such actions in &#8220;Year of Hell&#8221;, though in the end the original continuum was restored.)</p>
<p>(snip)</p>
<p>&#8220;The question may very well be, how significant is the attack on the Kelvin? The Romulans must have thought it significant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ahh, but which Romulans? There&#8217;s not yet a sense that the Romulan government, in either timeframe (23rd Century or post-&#8221;Nemesis&#8221;), has a clue what&#8217;s going on. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that far too many fans are looking for a reason to panic.

I&#039;ve yet to see anything but asthetic changes, something we all know had to happen.

If Bob Orci says &quot;anything which &#039;appears&#039; to violate canon will have a canon explanation&quot;, then I see no reason to doubt that. What that says to me is simply that the story may debunk some fans preconceived notions about the characters&#039; backstories, but not actually openly contradict canon.

I&#039;m not worried about the timeline. If anything, changes to the original timeline will &quot;protect&quot; the sanctity of the original series---not disrespect it.

When I see a Romulan attack on the USS Kelvin prior to &quot;Balance Of Terror&quot;, yet after the Earth-Romulan War, I assume that something has unbalanced the timeline (unless it was previously unknown what happened to the Kelvin). However, we do not  know to what extent that change will affect the timeline we know. 

Does Federation politics take a somewhat more militaristic turn in the wake of that attack? If so, how does that affect Starfleet and the paths of the iconic characters with which we are so familiar?

Imagine the United States never having experienced the attack on the World Trade Center in 2001---or probably even more dramatic in its effect upon history---never having experienced the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. The effects of those changes in the timeline we know would have tremendous reprecussions.

The question may very well be, how significant is the attack on the Kelvin? The Romulans must have thought it significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that far too many fans are looking for a reason to panic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve yet to see anything but asthetic changes, something we all know had to happen.</p>
<p>If Bob Orci says &#8220;anything which &#8216;appears&#8217; to violate canon will have a canon explanation&#8221;, then I see no reason to doubt that. What that says to me is simply that the story may debunk some fans preconceived notions about the characters&#8217; backstories, but not actually openly contradict canon.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not worried about the timeline. If anything, changes to the original timeline will &#8220;protect&#8221; the sanctity of the original series&#8212;not disrespect it.</p>
<p>When I see a Romulan attack on the USS Kelvin prior to &#8220;Balance Of Terror&#8221;, yet after the Earth-Romulan War, I assume that something has unbalanced the timeline (unless it was previously unknown what happened to the Kelvin). However, we do not  know to what extent that change will affect the timeline we know. </p>
<p>Does Federation politics take a somewhat more militaristic turn in the wake of that attack? If so, how does that affect Starfleet and the paths of the iconic characters with which we are so familiar?</p>
<p>Imagine the United States never having experienced the attack on the World Trade Center in 2001&#8212;or probably even more dramatic in its effect upon history&#8212;never having experienced the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. The effects of those changes in the timeline we know would have tremendous reprecussions.</p>
<p>The question may very well be, how significant is the attack on the Kelvin? The Romulans must have thought it significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Rosenzweig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Rosenzweig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#558 - Non-canonically, that&#039;s exactly what happened. Leonard and Jocelyn divorce, and he feels he has to get away, choosing to join StarFleet as much to escape as anything else. He was, we are told, already a resident at, IIRC, Atlanta General Hospital at the time, and his time at the Academy wasn&#039;t so much for general medical training as for the specific training necessary to work in space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#558 &#8211; Non-canonically, that&#8217;s exactly what happened. Leonard and Jocelyn divorce, and he feels he has to get away, choosing to join StarFleet as much to escape as anything else. He was, we are told, already a resident at, IIRC, Atlanta General Hospital at the time, and his time at the Academy wasn&#8217;t so much for general medical training as for the specific training necessary to work in space.</p>
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		<title>By: THX-1138</title>
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		<dc:creator>THX-1138</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s been mentioned (who has time to read all of these posts!) but perhaps McCoy has decided on a change of life after his divorce.  That would make a difference in his age and the other cadets plausible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s been mentioned (who has time to read all of these posts!) but perhaps McCoy has decided on a change of life after his divorce.  That would make a difference in his age and the other cadets plausible.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Rosenzweig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Rosenzweig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#556 - Ooops! My bad, and I only caught it after I&#039;d hit &quot;say it!&quot;

&quot;As an older student, he and Kirk could possibly have met at the Academy…or perhaps later. We don’t know that they meet at the Academy, even in this film.&quot;

I forgot about that pic of the two of them in the shuttle. The film does establish that they know each other at the Academy. To be fair, this film won&#039;t be the first Trek project to speculate that, and it still doesn&#039;t contradict anything. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#556 &#8211; Ooops! My bad, and I only caught it after I&#8217;d hit &#8220;say it!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;As an older student, he and Kirk could possibly have met at the Academy…or perhaps later. We don’t know that they meet at the Academy, even in this film.&#8221;</p>
<p>I forgot about that pic of the two of them in the shuttle. The film does establish that they know each other at the Academy. To be fair, this film won&#8217;t be the first Trek project to speculate that, and it still doesn&#8217;t contradict anything. :)</p>
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