More from Orci, Kurtzman and Quinto On New Star Trek Images + New Sulu Image October 16, 2008
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In addition to speaking to TrekMovie (see interview), Star Trek writers Orci and Kurtzman also talked to UGO and to Yahoo about the new Star Trek movie and the new photos (plus Yahoo has a new image of John Cho as Sulu). Plus there is a new interview with the new Spock (Quinto), and he too talks about the number one subject of the week.
More from Bob and Alex
UGO was one of the sites that got an advance exclusive image from Star Trek. Today they posted a full transcript of a fun interview with Bob and Alex. Here is an excerpt of Kurtzman talking about the new Kirk, Chris Pine.
Pine is just the greatest. And the thing that’s tricky obviously, as is the case with any of the actors who stepped into the shoes of these characters who were created by legendary actors, that the thing you wanna avoid in a way is somehow becoming a caricature of William Shatner, or an imitation of his performance. So, I think the way that we all went into this thinking was,"What is the spirit of Kirk? How do we embody the spirit of Kirk?" And, what does that mean? And how can we as fans know that our Kirk is being honored and protected, just speaks to the fact that we have cast a new Kirk. And that was a tricky thing. And I think what you’ll find is that there is a lot of Kirk you will recognize in the performance, but Chris Pine is his own brilliant actor. And it’s all about what he brings to the part. I would say that the spirit of Kirk is very much alive and well in Chris Pine
There is much more in the interview about Trek canon, Trek novels, thoughts on the bridge and more. Goto UGO and read it!
The pair of writers also spoke to Yahoo Movies about all the photos, including a new one of the USS Kelvin and a new image of John Cho as Sulu. They noted that the new movie (and the new Spock) are getting an ‘action upgrade’ including highlighting on away missions. They also talked about the bridge, Nero, Sulu and how the other characters get their own stories. Go to Yahoo Movies to see big versions of the new images and read what Bob and Alex had to say about the whole new set.
The Kelvin
John Cho as Sulu
Quinto on walking the line
The new Spock (Zachary Quinto) spoke to CraveOnline about the movie and the new photos. One photo that is getting a lot of notice is Spock choking Kirk and he does not seem to have his emotions in check. Quinto has previously noted that since this film is a prequel, we see Spock struggle more with this balance of logic and emotion. He talked to Crave about that issue
Crave Online: What is your take on the whole logic vs emotion issue?
Zachary Quinto: Well, it’s something that I can relate to. I think it’s something that a lot of human beings can relate to. It was really incredible to be able to embody a character that walks that line all the line, who really deals in holding both ends of that strata at all points..
More from Quinto at CraveOnline
Spock crosses the line
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fascinating!
keep it coming
A wait until May to see the film is illogical.
It’s great to see Star Trek get a new look.
I love everything I’ve seen. This movie is going to be AWESOME!
Is the viewscreen just a big window this time?
I know I said this in the Kelvin thread, but I think it bears repeating.
I don’t mean to sound ungrateful here, because I am so excited and happy with all these images. They are fantastic.
However, it’s like one big teaser, because you are showing us EVERYTHING except what we want to see the most…the Enterprise EXTERIOR.
Show us that, and I will be quite satisfied until the trailer. Come one…just one more image. Just the exterior of the Enterprise full. Then we’ll all be content. Everyone agree?
Alex to UGO: “To us “canon” is considered the original series onward, including the novels.”
okay, good to know ;))
Yikes, there was nothing visual on this movie since January, and now it’s like an explosion. BUT I’m not complaining!
Yeah, Spock choking the life outta cadet Kirk seems to be crossing the line just a bit…
By the way… I guess with all this time travel Cadet Kirk winds up on Captain Kirk’s Enterprise at some point… hence the black shirt while even Captain Kirk’s junior officers are in their proper colored tunics.
Am I right? Do I win a prize??
Ah, well. I suppose this will be better than no movie at all… wait, that didn’t work for us very well with Nemesis…
The Enterprise will appear when she’s good and ready. Hopefully before the trailer, unless they’re planning a big reveal in the trailer in which case we’ll get it after.
Hey everyone, does anyone know how long the new trailer will be?
I love the new uniforms, just in time for Halloween.
Smoke
I want to see a Leonard Nimoy shot.
7 – Novels are not Canon, though they are great fun.
I’m falling back to a more neutral position on this film; let’s wait and see the trailer.
12,
Oh hey! I totally forgot about that! I still need to get my DS9/FC uniform tailored a bit. Tis a bit large for me.
Sulu,, Make a course for the nearest White Castle ,,,,
maxum warp !!
John Cho, looks more Korean than Japanese… How could they NOT go for someone else?
The Kelvin looks retarded…
And is Eric Bana the oldest cast member in this movie? He’s like Tree Beard compared to these Beverly Hills kids…
Re: UGO interview and “Kirk Chop”, personally more important or atleast as important is the Flying Kirk Kick, that for me is just as important !
Random Thoughts:
I hate to admit it but when I first saw “Lost In Space” the movie(so so movie but visually very interesting) I allowed myself to ponder “What if they did Trek like this?”
Looks like I am getting an answer. Overall I’d say it looks good and in all honesty if “Enterprise” had looked like this it probably would have gone the distance.
From the pictures released this is a visual reboot(great, bring it on), but perhaps the script is consistent with storyline canon
Pine/Quinto got the “bromance” thing going on, on the EW cover they look like they are about to kiss, might make all the K/S types happy
Pine is a good Kirk, a bit young and a tad too athletic /skinny to be shatner but consistent with Kirk I think
Quinto is pretty spot on, strangely enough he almost looks like he is wearing a NG Romulan-Proto Vulcan brow piece but that is just his normal skeletal structure(Ithink) looks alot like Animated Trek Spock
Scotty/ Mc Coy look fantastic,
Cho is Cho and will perform great but does not look like Sulu
Chekov with curls? I can take a new Enterprise but this crosses the line !
Saldana needs big hair- a beautiful woman to be sure but not as hot and curvy as Nichelle was(flashback to panty shots on the chair behind Capt. Kirk circa 1966)
#9
“By the way… I guess with all this time travel Cadet Kirk winds up on Captain Kirk’s Enterprise at some point… hence the black shirt while even Captain Kirk’s junior officers are in their proper colored tunics.
Am I right? Do I win a prize??”
Yes, I think you are right. Time travel is involved in the abduction of George Kirk from the Kelvin, leaving Kirk without a father and under his uncle’s care, turning him into a mess and changing the design of the big E…
YES, due to the fact Kirk’s father was involved with the construction of our beloved TOS Enterprise, a world without George Kirk could easily result in such retcon changes as seen on the bridge shot…
These are just educated guesses…if Roberto Ocri is reading this, he might be crying havoc now or just laugh at my pityful attempts at reconstructing the plot from 6 pictures and some snipets…
But if I’m right, that would be second time…I previously guessed the major plotlines of Harry Potter 7 months before its release LOL *g* :)
I also have problems not seeing Harold in him, HOWEVER, he is very sympathetic and a really fine actor! So I will reserve judgement til I have seen him in action. The negativity of some people here is really annoying…
I wonder if Shatner will comment on these photos at some point?
No problems with the actors
Never will take the place of the originals but what does have me worried is the bridge design.
JJ is taking too many liberties
With all of this information coming out at once, I’m having the biggest nerdgasm of my life!
My word, are all of these images beautiful. With only 15 days left until Halloween, I wonder if I can get a new Star Trek uniform together…
Wow, I wasn’t paying attention to what I was typing… oiy, Star Trek uniform should read Starfleet uniform up there.
Arguably the liberties taken by recasting the actors are the same to recast the look, One could accept aesthetic changes using the same perspective that allows for accepting Actor recasting.
I saw the today at 09.00gmt when I got to work. i couldn’t belive my eyes.
I kept on checking back with this site today to check I hadn’t had to much coffee or last nights drinks was still having an effect on me.
Love them all the big bridge scene is growing on me. The uniforms are just as I imagined. That shot of Quinto as Spock looks like Sylar had a bad eye brow day to me (only nit pick).
A few sites have said that the trailer will be out with Quantum of Solace. If this is the case then I only have 13 days to see it in the UK.
So excited now.
@ 21,
You honestly cannot expect everyone falling head over heels for this project… it’s a monumental investment. If it fails it’s going to hurt Star Trek more than you know, and then all you’ll have for years to come is Reruns…
If it wins over the old fans (We are millions), it will set sail for a new generation of Trek… It will bring in many new ideas etc… But from the reactions so far and don’t forget that this movie is only going to be a little over 2 hours in length and has to deliver so much Star Trek that the fans will be PROUD to be apart of the fan base. If it doesn’t do well, it’s just another Star Wars 1, 2 and 3 nightmare…
So will Trek win this round?
Don’t defend the show just cause you’re afraid that it will generate bad rep for it… there’s nothing to defend… Once you’ve seen the movie, then you can defend it… So far it’s just images and those images are too synthetic… everyone looks like a model… too typical… And the Bridge looks like some hair dressers salon or the Apple Store.
The ONLY thing I’m looking forward to in this film is Leonard Nimoy and Michael G’s score.
If that is the new bridge of the Enterprise in the picture with the crew, oh boy, it looks soooo crap!, what a disappointment!
#18: why does it look retarded? Did you want flame stickers on the side of it?! It looks GREAT perfectly in line with TMP enterprise and even some of generations I’d rather have that than a shiny ass rocket ship.
Some ppl are clueless IMHO
More new ones of Kirk, Spock, Nero and Bones with Kirk
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20233788,00.html
More new ones of Kirk, Spock, Nero and Bones with Kirk
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20233788,00.html
Don’t defend it, I’ll passive-aggressively trash it, but don’t defend it.
Yes, it would be horrible if it performed as poorly as the Star Wars Prequels, they were final nail in that franchise.
Yep, Bana’s ancient at 40. Karl Urban is 36. At least Nimoy will blend in with the young’uns.
I take heart in the design of the Kelvin alone that they are adhering to canon. The Kelvin’s configuration was actually an original Enterprise design by Matt Jefferies, after his designs that became known as the Daedalus class were passed on by Roddenberry.
All in all, the designs have made me think I should pump some more technology into my own series pilot, lest it not match up with the new canon. I wanted to avoid too much in the way of technology, particularly techno-babble to make the show more about characters and less about how the crew would deal with phenomenon that require mass explanations scientifically.
I’ll keep everyone here posted as to my progress. Conversations with CBS/Paramount have been scant, but they are aware of the property and the ball is really in my court to keep pushing it at them.
( Anthony – If you want details on this, so as to prove this is not some crackpot talking, you can e-mail me at the address provided here)
Hey Anthony, the “More from Bob and Alex” section is repeated twice in the article.
(I’m surprised nobody has mentioned that yet, maybe nobody is *reading* the article, just gazing at the amazing new imagery! ;)
More new cast photos at EW.com
I find that I’m trying really hard to like this new stuff we’ve seen. I -do- want to love Star Trek, I really do. But (and there’s always a but), I’m quite worried about this movie erasing the canon I grew up with. I absolutely love the original series, and I really was hoping for more of a retro look to the bridge. I think at this point, instead of retconning everything to fit the technology of our day, it’s much more plausible to write Star Trek off as a novelty to some degree, and present it as an alternate future from ours, a fantasy-universe where retro-looking technology reigns. Why? Because for years, the Star Trek franchise has alienated its fanbase. This should be a revival, something to bring the fans back to the franchise. I understand Paramount trying to bring new people in, but in all honesty, most non-fanatic Trek “fans” in the 18-25 demographic are into Voyager and Enterprise while fans of the 25-35 our into The Next Generation. There are few and far between who love TOS and DS9. And it’s even fewer who love both. I doubt a reboot will cause much of a resurgence in the fanbase–there will be many who are as put off by it as they were Enterprise–and most normal people outside of the geek community don’t even understand the concept, judging by the many, many arguments I’ve had with herberts (if you will) about Batman Begins and Casino Royale. Most people can’t wrap their minds around alternate realities and “reboots” in general. They get even more frustrated as you explain that they should forget what came before because it doesn’t count. While it is true that there are lots of people who mindlessly attend movies because they “look cool”, I always thought Star Trek should be better than that. The people in charge owe something to the fans. I’m not saying they should be slaves to the fans, I’m only saying that erasing 40 years of continuity is pretty crappy. I know the writers have said that it stays very true to canon, but I’m not really seeing that in these photos, especially looking at the bridge. They’ve also said that anything that looks like it contradicts canon will have a canon explanation, which to my mind says that they will be erasing the old continuity and making a new canon. I don’t know what to think of all this, honestly. I really don’t. As a comic book fan, I have experienced retconning for many many years. From Crisis on Infinite Earths to something as subtle as the Marvel mini-series X-Men: Children of the Atom. I can accept it, and I understand it. I can wrap my mind around the concept. But the general public? They don’t even know what our presidential candidates stand for, much less how the canon of a fictional franchise can be retconned. And the fact that it’s Star Trek puts a taint on it that Batman and 007 doesn’t have. They waited eight years to bring Batman back after the disaster that was Batman & Robin. And lots of people just thought it was a prequel. Star Trek is tainted with the olfactory presence of unpopularity! It is a joke to those outside the esoteric elite! So while the fans of this franchise may number in the millions, it won’t help Paramount or Mr. Abrams if those millions are being alienated by something too… alien.
The Apple Store looks better than this bridge (from what I can see of it).
The salon reference is more accurate and that’s because of all those vanity lights all over the set!
This is the junkiest looking set I’ve seen since the 1978-79 NBC Buck Rogers series!
3 new shots, in addition to the ones you’ve already posted:
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20233788,00.html
So… at which point must Young Kirk be ejected from the Enterprise to land in some snowy planet and be forced to crawl out of it?
That photo of young Kirk, crawling out of a crater indicated that he was using the escape pods from Enterprise…
Any guesses?
More new EW ones of Kirk, Spock, Nero and Bones with Kirk
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20233788,00.html
I really like these pics…not so thrilled with the new bridge. I think he could have done a better job of updating the bridge without making it look like an Apple Store exploded. The uniforms are cool and the actor do take on the apperance of the rolls that the original actors molded so well. The Kelvin doesnt please me at all it looks like a hybrid of trek and something else. I hope he didnt take the same approach when it comes to the big E. I can tell he really didnt stick to cannon 100%, which is ok…but he should have tried to stay as close to 90% without making it look like Galaxy Quest 2. I guess we will find out this summer if JJ will have a career after this movie or not….I really hope it lives up to the hype and satisfies the craving us trek fans have without leaving us with a bad taste in our mouth.
Reboot.
idea: Cadet Kirk is sent forward through time to the time when he would be captain. That’s why he’s wearing that cadet black shirt.
I only half fear what the exterior of the Enterprise looks like now, what with that image of the Kelvin. However, who knew that, all this time, I should really have been worried about the stupid bridge.
I gotta say, that shot of Zach is priceless, telling, and overdue. I’ll bet that Leonard Nimoy’s Spock wanted to just throttle the living shit out of Kirk more than once in their day……LOL
#6 Daniel Broadway
Here is my ideal marketing:
November is perfect for a trailer. Then more photos. Show me Pike. Show me Kirk’s parents. Then another trailer in February or something, closer to showtime.
Give me a taste of everything.
EXCEPT the Enterprise. I don’t want to see her. Not in a trailer. Not in a photo. I don’t want to see her until I am in the theater. It would be like Nirvana, a gosh-darned religious experience, to see the big ‘E’ for the first time on the big frikkin’ screen.
J.J. Abrams: Thank you for saving me from myself and not revealing too much, too soon. Please, continue to save me from myself and save the old gal for the theater. We got enough of a tease with that first trailer.
Just my 2 cents.
#18
Cho IS Korean.
Jesus Christ! Why dont you give me an embolism while your at it showing these freaking sweet shots! I checked trekmovie 2 days ago, and nothing, then i come on today, and what do ya know, theres an explosion of Star Trek XI EVERYWHERE! Bob Orci and Anthony, you guys F**king ROCK!!!
We must give this film a chance. We’re all hyper-focusing on 7-or-so photos and drawing ridiculous conclusions just as uber-fans should.
I think Mr. Orci, the big fan, is the key to having hope that this project will resonate with us as well as with Joe Sixpack.
Positives:
1. The E looks like the E
2. The Kelvin looks like a traditional Starfleet vessel
3. Quinto emotes, as ‘early’ Spock often did
4. Karl Urban’s Dr. McCoy looks amazing. Eomer has disappeared.
5. Uniforms don’t disappoint
6. Nero’s other ear is pointed
Negatives
1. Bridge design looks like a cheap Vegas lightshow. Not a viable “workspace.” Must be 120F in there. Pretty concierge.
2. Kelvin registry labeling is not symmetrical
3. Kirk can sit in the center-seat with the black cadet shirt
4. Kirk and Spock fight.
Positives far outweigh the negatives, and we have barely seen anything. I am optimistic that this will be a stupendous film!
My theory on the whole Kirk black outfit thing is this. This is his Kobayashi Maru test. The no win scenario for Kirk is a mutiny of his crew. Explains the
apparent fight with Spock. I will bet that Kirk gets to pick his crew for the test
and some of them dont understand why he picked them. In the scenario the crew turns on Kirk and eject him to the icy planet. I wonder what cheat he employs to beat the test…….I also think this Enterprise bridge is an older version more like Pikes Ent and the true bridge will be revealed later. JJ is such a kidder…..
2. Kelvin registry labeling is not symmetrical
THATS IT IM BOYCOTTING THIS MOVIE. DISTUGSTING
Perhaps, this bridge shot we’re seeing? Maybe it’s the battle version of the enterprise…the one we see being welded together in the first trailer? Heard rumor that two versions of the Enterprise will be seen in this movie. The battle ship version could have a different design than the Enterprise we’re used to…just a thought.
Maybe this Enterprise has a battle bridge and a regular bridge like the Enterprise D? That would be cool.
just to further my hypothesis: as he boards the ship he has to explain to the crew what has happened. In the pic of the crew, it looks as if Bones is confused about something. However, they are looking to Spock (not pictured) for an explanation. Cadet Kirk was sent ahead to fill in for future Kirk who had been captured by Nero.
just my $0.02
51:
I just spit up my wine. ROTFLMAO!
#50.
But it has already been revealed that the scene where kirk is on the icy planet is in the middle of the movie. Also, I am pretty sure Uhura, in TOS, is introduced when Kirk is already Captain of the Enterprise. And if thats supposed to be the bridge in the Cage, than the uniforms would be different as well.
BTW. it looks to me like Spock choking Kirk. You might want to fix the poll. : )
Is it just me, or are there Tholian ships around the Kelvin?
I can’t take the Kelvin Seriously with that big Eyeball on the nacelle.
The Romulans can’t destroy That thing fast enough for me.
I think all this speculation about whether it’ll be good or bad is pointless. Abrams team said from the outset that some things (designs, looks) were going to change somewhat. I welcome that.What? do we still want the cardboard walls and 60’s bright colors and boxy decor. I think the new bridge looks awesome, So far I like the way the characters look. They’re supposed to encompass the spirit of these characters not carbon copies. Saldana is hot as Uhura, Pine looks spot on for Kirk and I can already see Urban in the “Damn it! I’m a Dr. not brick layer! personna.
So far I like what I see, can’t trash something over 6 frickin pics although won’t say I love it either and won’t do either til 5/8/09
#58, now that you mention it, it DOES look like tholian ships!
I cant beleive all the negativity on this board.
From what we have seen the it looks fantastic and the people behind this movie have without doubt put in their all….It couldnt look any better than this!
Leave the un-veiling of the Enterprise for the big screen……
#60 – You are right on the money!
Im Not sure i like the New Bridge. But Ill hold judgement till i see the whoe thing. But the Movie looks to be good and I know that Lenoard Nimoy and James Cawley would not be in or like this movie if it was a complete reboot and no cannon. So with that being said lets all just wait till we see the new trailer and then we will all have a better understanding of how the movie will play out and make better guess as to the movie being more cannon.
I wonder if the Enterprise will split into two sections. Gad I hated that.
I can’t take The Kelvin Seriously with that Eye ball on the Nacelle.
The Romulans can’t destroy that Thing Fast enough for Me.
Looks like the main deflector dish is on one side of the Kelvin while maybe a single warp engine in the other. I guess a much earlier version of a federation starship since the shot of it takes place before James T. Kirk is even born.
” 41. Snake – October 16, 2008
More new EW ones of Kirk, Spock, Nero and Bones with Kirk
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20233788,00.html”
Now I’m starting to think that Kirk’s black shirt isn’t a cadet uniform, since it seems clear that the color of Starfleet Academy members is the same red from that McCoy and Kirk picture as from the spy photos we saw months ago.
Deebo Shanks—- I’m 34 , i love TOS because it was the series that made me wonder as a little kid. They used to put repeats on sat night on WPIX 11 NYC and i would never miss an ep. I love TNG because it was the unprecedented Trek revival and brought new stuff to the Trekverse (Picard feels very much like “my captain”). I LOVED DS9–because storywise and characterwise it was the deepest and most developed Trek.
This new movie is very simple–either it will be a smash success or it will fail miserably. There is no room for anything in between–it is a huge risk just like Next Generation was a huge risk. But if it winds up succeeding and bringing us more Trek series and more Trek movies then it will have been worth it. Every new generation needs its own Trek. i wouldn’t be bothered in the least if little kids come to think of Pine as “their Kirk” years later after they grow up. Changes will necessarily have to happen because in order for something to stay fresh it will need to be reinterpreted–but the strength of Trek has always been its stories. Aesthetics like the look of the bridge may change, but I think all of us longtime fans will recognize it as Trek or as an imposter by its story. Trek stories are rarely just blastfests–they always have a larger point to make. Lets wait to watch the movie before we judge it.
I find the new pictures to be terrible.
The cast is basically OK, but why the overhaul of the bridge?
To me this is beginning to smell like the same disaster that was “Nemesis” — bring in an “outside” director, and watch them destroy the franchise.
I really think that if Paramount had given Jonanthon Frakes the opportunity to direct the follow up to “Insurrection” the whole franchise would be in better shape.
If this movie bombs — and the more I see of it the more I feel it will — then I will personally be launching a “bring back Frakes” effort.
I’m enjoying the photos. And yet… the uniforms seem wrinkly, or loose. That’s a bother.
People who complain this is for you…IF YOU WANT CANNON THERE IS ENOUGH FOR YOU TO REWATCH….YOU DONT HAVE TO SEE THE MOVIE. YOUR IMAGINATION CAN SERVE YOU WELL. Take solice that the past still exists if the future bothers you
NOT CANNON!
#14—While you’re right in that the novels are not canon on their own, if the writers of the new film incorporate some things from the novels into the story which makes it onscreen, then those aspects of some of the novels “become” canon…
I did not consider any of TAS to be canon until some elements of the episode, “Yesteryear” were depicted in live action Trek. As much as that episode has been referenced thusfar in TNG, DS9, and ENT, it would be difficult not to recognize it as canon (I also consider some of the scenery in the director’s cut of TMP to be an homage to that episode as well).
#70—Paramount is overhauling Trek because it’s appeal has basically swirled down the toilet for the last few years….There is nothing to lose.
Forget about “Nemesis”. The entire TNG-era film series was (as a whole) proof of its lack of appeal at the box office. I think that there is a tendancy to overrate “First Contact”, but I think that’s simply because it was the only TNG-era film that wasn’t awful. Trek fans have just lowered their standards for movies, IMO.
There was a time when Star Trek films had some measure of crossover appeal, but it hasn’t been that way in over twenty years. When it ‘was’ there, it was when there was a whole lot less emphasis on “canon”, and much more on telling entertaining stories featuring great characters.
Don’t make the mistake of comparing this film at all to TNG-era stuff, especially Nemesis.
What Star Trek needs is the appeal of TWOK and TVH, which are really the gold standards of crossover appeal in a Star Trek movie. Face it, the success or failure of this film will ‘not’ be determined by some “geeks only” club. It is well beyond that budget.
Before this is over, you will see a marketing campaign for a Star Trek movie, the likes of which have not been seen since the late 70’s, and likely in excess of that.
Frakes? Are you kidding me? At least I got a good laugh.
By the way, I ‘love’ the pictures. Excellent work. I’ve never been afraid of change.
Dude, the books aren’t canon.
Is that a warp nacel, or an eyeball on the Starship Kelvin?
If you haven’t read the UGO interview with KO, do it now.
This is the best, a request from Orci to us and we at Trekmovie should answer as a group.
B: I’d love to see some research done on everyone’s like Top 8 things that they think would have to be in this.
…
It’ll take forever to answer this question personally, but here are a few:
1. We have to see the scene behind the opening credits: the woman singing in response to Kirk’s opening narrative.
The Kirk character is a direct contemporary of James Bond and John F. Kennedy, so saving the world always goes hand-in-hand with sex. I think any origin story should include the scene where Kirk states his mission and some foxy Orion girl sings the Star Trek siren son. Anybody who has read up on TREK knows that Roddenberry was a bit of a perv, and it’s important we not lose that.
2. This movie must be offered in 3D.
Don’t wait for the sequel. We want 3D space battles in May. 3D SPACE BATTLES, MOTHER FUCKER! With all of the additional time, if Paramount doesn’t do it, they should walk the plank.
3. Some of the technology should be ridiculous and inexplicable.
The Hadron Collider guys are talking about transporters and the US Military believes soldiers will be able to send and receive telepathic email in 15 years. Things that seemed impossible a decade ago are now within reach. Deep down, we really don’t want to understand everything about how the ship works. Its elegant simplicity is a part of the optimistic vision of the future.
4. Non-Humanoid aliens, once-and-for-all.
The movie must expand Starfleet in to non-humanoid aliens, finally freeing TREK from its plastic forehead fetish.
Go read the comics.
74: Closettrekker:
What you call “crossover appeal” is actually called “quality.”
A good film is a good film. TWOK was great, and TVH was great fun. Both were great popcorn/date films, and hold up in 2008 as watchable Sci-Fi for the masses.
May ST11 be up to that standard.
Canon Be Damned
Honestly – what’s all the concern? Simply the same discussions, often by the same ardent people, over and over. They are not wrong, but it’s time to look to the future.
Consider what this means.
This isn’t a redo, restart, or ‘imagining’. This is the first real opportunity to encourage new members to join our family. Star Trek was a an inspiration to millions, and quite possibly at a dour time in our world, an inspiration for a new generation. I’m not jaded at that thought – I embrace it.
We need new heroes. Star Trek – even in it’s updated glory – can reach even larger audiences if handled right. From what I have seen so far, it’s gotten the hopes of this 42 year old dad excited again.
Others have taken our heroes from us. You know what I mean. Indy’s gone commercial. Star Wars left me ‘meh’. The only saving grace from the silver screen has been the new 007.
Rest easy Star Trek fans, I see a new day coming for all of us.
Maybe I have to switch to a stronger strain but I still see Harold.
What is the deal with that big “eye” thing on top of the Kelvin?
Time loop sorry…………….
#80 I couldn’t agree with you more. Finally another balanced and healthy opinion.
Spockboy mentioned that Christopher Pine looks like the Thunderbirds Scott Tracy. I don’t know I don’t see the resemblance…
http://kelvington.com/Scott.jpg
74. Closettrekker, 78. AJ,
I wholeheartedy agree with your posts. TWOK and TVH were quailty films that enjoyed crrosover success. Both also benefited from having stories that did not require an encyclopedic knowledge of Trek to follow. There were also a lot of fun.
I want to see a fun, exciting story with some interesting ideas & characters and great visuals. I don’t care if the bridge doesn’t look exactly how it did in TOS (not that it was ever going to), or that Pine’s eye color isn’t “canon-correct” (possibly the stupidest nitpick I’ve seen here); I want to see an enatertaining story with familiar characters. The design stuff is just icing.
Save the Enterprise for the trailer!
CANON IS ONLY WINDOW-DRESSING!!!
Good grief, people… the acting, writing and direction should come FIRST. I couldn’t care less if the production design slavishly reproduces the 1960’s TV budget-era, or goes in a brand-new direction (which they seem to have done). If we’re honestly arguing about ship designs, font lettering, eye color and curly hair, then we have only OURSELVES to blame for the stigma that currently comes attached to the name STAR TREK.
Man, this site was tough to get onto earlier today. Anthony, how does it feel to be in the middle of a Star Trek maelstrom?
The images we’ve been shown over the past few days have been mind-boggling. So much information so quickly, my brain was overstimulated. I went back today and looked them over again, and you know what…I don’t have a single problem with any of them.
The cast members look phenomenal. I see the spirit of the characters in each of their faces. The uniforms they wear pay homage to the originals but also give the designa nice facelift.
The bridge (what we can see of it, anyway) simply abounds with detail. Yes, it seems to look much different, but that’s something I was prepared for, and I like what I see. My impression is that the design brings TOS closer to the level of detail and technology we’ve seen in the TOS-era movies, and TNG and the later Trek TV series. I don’t see that as a bad thing at all.
Personally, I don’t care if the new movie completely re-writes the book on what the TOS-era looks like. If they rebuild that aspect from the ground up, that’s okay by me. The things that need to be preserved are the spirit of the series (the feeling of high-adventure, human drama, and sheer wonder) and the core of each character (the aspects that have endeared them to us and made them part of pop culture history for almost half a century). If the cast can make me believe they are who they appear to be, and if I’m drawn into the story enough to feel that I’m sharing the experience with them, then I’ll accept all the changes in set design without a hitch. It’ll be as simple as saying “that was what Star Trek looked like THEN, this is what it looks like NOW.”
So far, I’m pleased with what I’ve seen, and I’m looking forward to seeing more.
Hey, at least the Enterprise won’t have boxes in the corridor like BSG.
Just looking at the other comments, and thinking about ST past, and my other post about the other ships on the Kelvin photo being Tholian, it makes more and more sense. Tholians have had time travel associated with them, and if there are Romulans, why not Tholians?
28. Vulcan has no moons – October 16, 2008
“If it wins over the old fans (We are millions), it will set sail for a new generation of Trek… It will bring in many new ideas etc… But from the reactions so far and don’t forget that this movie is only going to be a little over 2 hours in length and has to deliver so much Star Trek that the fans will be PROUD to be apart of the fan base. If it doesn’t do well, it’s just another Star Wars 1, 2 and 3 nightmare…”
_Speaking for us all? Not every fan thinks what has come out is bad.
“Don’t defend the show just cause you’re afraid that it will generate bad rep for it… there’s nothing to defend… Once you’ve seen the movie, then you can defend it… So far it’s just images and those images are too synthetic… everyone looks like a model… too typical… And the Bridge looks like some hair dressers salon or the Apple Store.”
_What? You told them their opinion was wrong and should wait until the movie is out…. then…. you critique it?
Well said 88…
And, alas, now let me kind of agree on the bridge brightness stuff, but tough to tell based on these pics… they kind of remind me of the bridge at the end of The Voyage Home… personally, I was hoping they’d veer away from the font/text-heavy Okuda graphics look of the TNG/later movie displays and also from all those white backlit tv-news-set style wall and ceiling panels that all sci fi series seem to use, plus all those floods/spots aimed at the camera… I kind of like the suggestion (which may have been less design and more just the way sets were built/lit then.. all from overhead studio lights) with the original series bridge, that there was no need for visible sources of light in the future (no TNG/Holiday Inn wall sconces, and the original set had those cool transporter-background-patterned ceiling ‘light’ panels )
… and wouldn’t the wall display of the future not have all those visible lines where the screens intersect….
but yes, we wish it was all real and hence want everything to make perfect sense…
And I don’t get what the purpose of the designs on the glass panels would be (maybe there’s more to this, some imagined function, like a cool Matrixy display or something)… hopefully not just cool decoration.
Whatever. It’s still all freaking awesome.
The uniforms are neato, McCoy looks McCoyish, Kirk has a totally Kirky expression and I’m darned excited.
I don’t give a wet slap about canon, either. I do kinda wish the bridge looked less like a shopping-mall Apple/iPod store, but the cast pics have me happy :)
[...] Három újabb kép az előttünk kanyargó ösvényről: A Kelvin egészben és szemből, Mr. Sulu útra készen, és egy Kirk & Spock fotó. Most már csak azokat a helyeket kellene látnunk, ahol trekker még nem járt azelőtt… Forrás: http://trekmovie.com/2008/10/16/more-from-orci-kurtzman-and-quinto-on-new-star-trek-images/ [...]
What ‘eye ball’ on the Kelvin, you people are nuts..its THE DEFLECTOR DISH morons……………………………………………………………………….
Pike gona die. Remember, yoy heard it here first. Or in the above posts- I can’t be bothered to read it all to find out!
So, who are the other two actors that were up for the role of Kirk besides Chris Pine??
Kirk’s black shirt is supposed to be the uniform’s undershirt. He’s just not wearing the command tunic in the pics. Apparently the uniform tops have two pieces like they were in The Cage, late TNG, DS9, etc, instead of a one piece shirt with a black collar. Please don’t ask me where I saw this, I’ve read about a dozen articles since these pics came out. As for the question about a battle bridge and saucer separation on the original ship, different people from the show have said that both concepts were there. They just never showed them because of money issues.
why is spock choking kirk?
why is kirk wearing the cadet uniform while in the captain’s chair?
lets think about this. maybe kirk is wearing the cadet uniform while sitting in the captain’s chair BECAUSE… lets get creative. maybe hes not supposed to be there?
as to the other question… had you seen a pic of spock’s “death” during kobayashi maru in STII would you have thought it was real?
Its not an excuse that saved Big Pussy, but this disinformation shit works.
THE WOMEN!!
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While I am not crazy about the “hair salon” look of the bridge I can appreciate the brightness. I never understood why the movie bridges were always so dark. Just look at the difference in lighting from the Next Generation’s bridge between the show and Generations. You’d think the ship had some systems failures in the power grid.
Even less understood is why they went even darker when under Red Alert! Wouldn’t you want to be able to see the controls instead of groping around in the dark during a crisis?
But overall the look of the bridge is not a big deal to me since all the characters look poised to nail their roles!
man..that looks like shit..
JJ & Co. have gotta be thinking: some of these Star Trek fans are the most obnoxious, nit-picky sons of bitches in the galaxy…
I’m impressed with the images, and still looking forward to the movie, guys!
The Black shirt is obviously the uniform undershirt.
You can see that it matches the shirts that the other crew are wearing underneath their uniforms. If you look closely at the picture of all of them standing, and looking towards the camera, you can clearly see the imprint of where his insignia used to be.
I’m guessing that since most of the pictures show Kirk with scuffs on his face and such, that he probably ripped his yellow tunic off in typical Kirk style, during a fight.
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I might be the minority here, but I like the Kelvin, even it’s number is little bit weird.
33. Greenebow – October 16, 2008
“… Yes, it would be horrible if it performed as poorly as the Star Wars Prequels, they were final nail in that franchise.”
The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith have a combined worldwide theatrical box office take of $2,414,229,213.00
(that’s $2.414 Billion. yep: billion with a ‘b’.)
So if that’s your definition of “poor” performance, what are you expecting for Star Trek?
…and by the way, cadet uniforms are red…
The black shirt is not the Cadet uniform. We already know from spy shots of Starfleet Academy shot at CSUN that cadets wear uniforms in brick red, like McCoy & Kirk in the shuttle and like the more martial uniforms from TWOK forward.
I think the bridge set in the background of the new Sulu picture looks a bit more true the original at that angle (look at all of those shiny black control panels). That’s sort of what I’ve expected, that parts of the bridge will be totally new while other parts will harken back directly to the original series.
@104: Amen, I am thinking the same thing. If JJ feels that he isn’t making this for the fans I totally understand why. Unless he is able to go back in time himself with an HD camera and use the original actors and sets as they were in the 60’s, some Trekkies will never be happy.
Is the Bridge of the Enterprise round in shape????????????
#113
As I recall, it is in TV TOS. In the TOS movies I think it was a little bit more of an oval. I can’t tell for sure, but the bridge for this movie looks like it is more or less round as well.
#18 Um, Koreans and Japanese are racially identical. But don’t tell the Japanese that.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
I guess everyone’s forgotten what Bob Orci said a few months back, and I’m paraphrasing: Everything that we see that appears to violate canon will have a canon explanation.
Did I come close, Bob?
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Bridge round yes: http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/uss-enterprise-bridge.php
I don’t like the big white thing on the bridge, it’s awful. I don’t think I’m going like this movie. I have a bad feeling about it. But I’ll just have to wait and see really.
103: I’ve seen s**t. This doesn’t even come close. :)
registry is too near the edge of the saucer
Uhm, do the people trashing the SW Prequels have a clue? At all? I suggest doing some proper research. First, Critical acclaim – Overrall mixed reviews, as with the original trilogy, it was a love hate relationship, particularly with Ep 2 and Jar Jar in Ep 1, however Eps 1 and 3 also had glaring reviews. A Short Google Search would reveal this.
Financial and Fanbase success – The prequels did exactly what they set out to do, not only were they ****ing HUGE financial successes (around 925 mil for ep 1, 600 mil ep 2, and over 800 mil for Ep 3. They outperformed the Original Trilogy) but they have, infact, grown the fanbase to a younger market. The New Clone Wars series is also getting some critical acclaim (much like the original series) following a mediocore movie (Which was originally intended to be the season opener).
So no, the SW franchise not only has not “Died”, but has actually been revitalized by both the prequels and the now going Cartoon Network clone wars series, as well as an insurgence of novels. Star Wars is much alive and well, short of a golden age with such a resurgence of products and financial success.
I was very open minded for the hole thing from the beginning. Now, seen the pictures, I´m satisfied so far. All in all everything looks great. (e.g. I really like the new “Pille” (this is the german dubbing for “Bones” ;-) ) But there is one big exception: The new Bridge. It really DOES NOT look like Star Trek for me. In a movie like Galaxy Quest or so it would be O.K., but not in a Trek Movie. Imo it looks very cheap and trashy.
I agree with the campaign of a certain man: “Change we need”. But not all things has to be changed
And on little other thing: I would prefere “NCC-514″ instead of “NCC-0514″ for the registry of the Kelvin; as the U.S.S. Grissom in Star Trek III is labled “NCC-638″ without a zero. This would also solve the problem with the symmetry. But that isn´t the major thing.
Wow, we’re nerds!
ps. is that eyeball not an airplane-jet-esque nacelle?
I also enjoy that everybody (Uhura included) looks like they could hold their own in a fist fight. No ‘Shatner’ girdles here (except the one I’m wearing now).
Individual cast photos where done by an artist Jill Greenberg. if you look at her site youl understand why they look the way they do. http://www.manipulator.com/
OMG! THIS IS A DISASTER! THE USS KELVIN LOOKS NOTHING TOS-ISH!
It should’ve been a Saladin-class.
90. WORD, Buckaroohawk!
after seeing that pic of “spock choking kirk” again…
gesh this is sylar..
they should have chosen an unknown for spock not this guy
actually they should have cloned nimoy.. lol
129. I have never seen a single episode of Heroes so the word “Sylar” means nothing to me. I’m sure that’s the case with a lot of otehr people. I think Quinto is a great choice to play Spock. Not to mention Leonard Nimoy agrees.
I dont understand this, this movie violates every canon in the book .
are these supposed to be a bunch of wet behind the ears ensign officers just graduated from academy? how do they become lieutentants and commanders so quickly during the 5 year mission? canon has it kirk went promoted from lieutenant cmdr right to captain, to become the youngest captain at age 35 . but does kirk go from ensign straight to captain in this movie at age 25??
and Kirk and Mccoy are cadets at the same time? isn’t McCoy 10 years older than Kirk, they did not go to the academy at the same time?
same with Uhuru and Checkov, arent they younger, maybe 20? certainly checkov was not even in the 1st season of TOS, and when he came in the 2nd season he was a fresh ensign . how can he be here in this crew together?
and spock is here, wasnt he on capt pike’s enterprise first before kirk? did pike retire from star fleet? if so, is enterprise – the flag-ship of the fleet, given to a bunch of young officers just graduated? i dont understand
Just a bit of fun really but here is Pine as Kirk with brown eyes…
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#131 – “I dont understand this, this movie violates every canon in the book .”
How so?
“canon has it kirk went promoted from lieutenant cmdr right to captain, to become the youngest captain at age 35 . but does kirk go from ensign straight to captain in this movie at age 25??”
Canon doesn’t say anything save that Kirk was a Lieutenant 11 years before “Obsession”, and that he’s the youngest captain in StarFleet at the time he takes command of the Enterprise.
“and Kirk and Mccoy are cadets at the same time? isn’t McCoy 10 years older than Kirk, they did not go to the academy at the same time?”
McCoy is established in TNG to be born in 2227. The 5-year mission is established as taking place between 2265 and 2270. Accepting the Okuda date for Kirk’s birth, McCoy’s about 6 years older than Kirk. Note, thouigh, taht it’s also believed that McCoy was already a doctor and an MD before he went to the Academy. As an older student, he and Kirk could possibly have met at the Academy…or perhaps later.
“same with Uhuru and Checkov, arent they younger, maybe 20? certainly checkov was not even in the 1st season of TOS, and when he came in the 2nd season he was a fresh ensign . how can he be here in this crew together?”
Well, TWOK establishes that Chekov was on board the Enterprise during “Space Seed”. He is a bit young to be there as a full Ensign if this movie is pre-dating “Where No Man…”, but perhaps he’s there on a training cruise?
“and spock is here, wasnt he on capt pike’s enterprise first before kirk?”
Right. No contradiction to be found in that.
“did pike retire from star fleet? if so, is enterprise – the flag-ship of the fleet, given to a bunch of young officers just graduated? i dont understand”
Pike eventually left command of the Enterprise, and was promoted to Fleet Captain. “The Menagerie” establishes that he was later horribly injured rescuing cadets on a training ship, and was crippled from radiation exposure. I don’t know if the movie will cover this or not, but so far, nothing that we’ve heard contradicts that for him. I take that as the reason for EW describing him as “doomed”.
Now I’m still pretty concerned about all this alternate timeline horsecrap, but to be fair, so far, nothing we’ve seen suggests that any of the events in the Trekverse are being contradicted. With everybody connected to the production asserting that it’s not going to be, perhaps the concern is merely needless hand-wringing. We can but hope.