It’s a total rape of the original series canon. Horrible acting, horrible sets, horrible story, and a complete and total destruction of everything that has been established before.

Luckily, Gene Roddenberry was cremated or he’d be spinning in his grave so fast he’d have drilled himself halfway to China by now.

Pulp crap.

I read the Article and I was Being honest. That’s It.

rather than write a Comment that would ultimately boil down to Me Being In favor of Or against The comic, I decided to write what I felt or didn’t feel.

If you Guys like the Idea of It, Fine. More power to ya. Don’t Pick on me Because I don’t want to discuss anything of it. Since the Studio and People behind the Movie have Made and will make Decisions About The The Flick and related items without YOUR Input, Since the movie will come out no Matter what YOU would’ve liked it to have Been, Since nobody who posts here (Maybe)will ever actually Meet each other In Person to Discuss any of this…….Then Why Do any of you even bother posting? what’s More Why Even Still post After it’s released? To bitch about What you Liked Or didn’t?? Cold hard reality is What I’m contributing. Geez, I’d expect that Kinda Stuff from (Xai Or Closet) I Have no Beef Against you guys.

I don’t post That Often anyway.

I replied to you on a previous thread about Nero possibly being on the Enterprise during construction.

Now, were Nero to have been back in time earlier, as this info seems to say, and with the Vulcan/Romulan propensity for long lifespans, wouldn’t Nero bide time waiting for his targets, and take down random ships to curb Federation research and development during that time?

In fact, wouldn’t the ideal time for a Romulan covert operation be during the initial Earth/Romulan war? Enterprise set up the twinkling of the Romulan anger with Earth. Nemesis was Romulus/Remus centered. A sustantial moment of Trek history heretofore “canonically” uncovered was the Romulan War.

If Nero voyaged to a point in time where the Romulans were willing to listen to and primed to act with military action, but needed an edge they originally did not have…

Perhaps Spock travels back to cut off the situation, and prevent an influx of future technology.

Hell, perhaps Nero is the figure behind the Temporal Cold War?!

Well, what I don’t understand is why people say that it MUST be an altenrate timeline simply because it LOOKS different.

Consider; The USS Kelvin already carries the design aesthetic of the new vision of TOS. And that is BEFORE Nero’s intervention. Therefore, the design aesthetic is already established as canonical before any alternate timeline could have been created. Therefore, the new vision is canon, and is in the “real” Trek universe.

Just because the new bridge, uniforms, and perhaps the ship, look arguably too modern, or simply look different, thye MUST be in an alternate timeline? I don’t understand that logic. Surely you don’t believe that ST:IV was in an alternate timeline just because the BoP’s bridge was totally different do you?

People tried to say the same thing about Enterprise when it was on TV. “The ship looks too modern, this show isn’t canon, and it takes place in an alternate universe!” was the the cry from the discontented corners of Trek fandom. However, they were wrong back then, and I don’t see how the same argument will survive this time.

Think about it:

1) All the interviews and statements I’ve read (And I think I’ve read them all.) have said that this film will tell the story of how the crew got together, and how the 1701 was launched. If this was an alternate universe, then those statements would be false, because it wouldn’t be the story of how the “real” crew got together, it would be the story of how the alternate universe versions of them got together. The same applies to the ship.

2) The characters are already going to be played by different actors. Sarek, for example, is already going to not look “right” before Nero intervenes. Therefore, he canonically has two faces (And heights, for that matter) and we simply must choose how we reconcile that, but explaining one away as an alternate timeline is not possible, since there could have been no alternate timeline at that point.

3) We have already faced this problem before, and have never had to declare things in an alternate timeline.

ST:IV, like I said, showed us a completely different bridge on the BoP than ST:III did.

ST:III, Saavik looked completely different than in ST:II.

TNG, the 1701-D inexplicably grew a new deck when they started using a newer model for the show.

DS9, the Defiant switched its look around several times depending on if they used the physical model or the early CGI model.

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I can understand that this film is a little different, since it is changing the look of large portions of well-established canon. However, that doesn’t mean that we can simply write it off as an alternate timeline, simply because we WANT to. (Especially before the film is even out!) If this film is presented as taking place in the “real” universe, then it, and its design aesthetic are canon. Period.

Just like Saavik’s lovely face, we get to pick which one we like better and believe that she always looked like that. (My choice is Robin Curtis, by the way.)

You don’t know squat about Roddenberry.

Here’s what he had to say about things like this:

(The following has been posted in other threads, but bears repeating:)

“…Even if Nimoy never plays Spock again, I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest as they say tomorrow’s things to tomorrow’s generations.”

“I feel that we’ve got such good people in Hollywood, and will in future as well, that I would be happy to have a Star Trek come on in 15 or 20 years where people say, “Now that is good! That makes Roddenberry look like nothing!” And that would please me!”*

[*note: exactly 20 years after he said this, JJ Abrams Star Trek will be in theaters.]

SOURCE: http://trekmovie.com/2008/03/06/more-from-roddenberry-on-treks-future-after-him-recasting/

I honestly hope you are right but I guess you’re wrong. Quite obviously this the way they want to pull it off…

It sounds so complicated and contrieved, I know. And yes, I’d agree with your general notion is that it would both alienate long-term fans and newcomers alike. While I can see all these changes for one movie, this effort really complicates things for the future. Two distinct realities seperated by one movie called “Star Trek” (2009)…

Either they completely abandone the old timeline and only continue with the new one or they stop Nero at some point, changing things back to normal 60s style (which obvioulsy would make even less sense in terms of rebooting the franchise)…

Maybe the Gordian Nod would be seperating classic TOS / classic movies from the spin offs…so that TNG could be result of this alternate timeline as well. That however is impossible due to this “Coutdown” comic book and those nostalgia episodes of NG and DS9 (Relics and the Tribbles show from DS)…

At the moment I’m really looking forward to this movie as a one time effort but I can’t see a clear perspective for Trek’s future. Either they expect the general audience to overlook those ties to the old timeline or they expect us Trekkies to abandone everything that came before at some point…

It’s a bloody mess but a damn interesting one…