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Shatner Watch: Takei Takedown, Broadcasting Award, Shatner Clause + more October 21, 2008

by John Tenuto , Filed under: Shatner , trackback

Before the William Shatner and JJ Abrams drama there was the William Shatner and George Takei drama. This feud has played out in books, talk shows and in the media — most recently in reports about how Shatner was not invited to Takei’s wedding. In his newest "Shatner Project" video blog, Bill doesn’t hold back on how he feels. See that below plus get all the latest on The Shat.

 

Bill on George

More Shat Video – including ‘dwarf of broadcasting’ & Obama interuptus
The Shatner Project on YouTube has more new Shat fun, including Shatner accepting his "Giants of Broadcasting Award" from the Library of American Broadcasting Foundation (mostly for his performances on radio).  The video features some nice retro pictures of Shatner, and his usual humor as he reveals he thinks of himself as a "dwarf of broadcasting." 

Also from the set of Boston Legal, Shatner shares the story of what his recent SNL sketch would have been like had Barack Obama been able to be on the show (Senator Obama canceled due to the hurricanes plaguing the U.S. that same weekend).  

Entertainment Weekly Doesn’t Forget the Shat
This week, Entertainment Weekly lavishes attention on the new Star Trek film.  Yet, the online website of EW knows how to respect the Shat with a very cool photo gallery detailing "Captain Kirk’s 20 Best and Worst Moments" with commentary and photos from all his adventures. The great photo essay reminds us of what makes Captain Kirk such an iconic and heroic character.

Shatner IS Santa
Lastly, I have long promoted the idea that everything Shatner does is a gift, yet now I have proof that he is indeed Santa Claus.  Shatner will voice Santa for Steven de Souza’s "Gotta Catch Santa" animated show which is being broadcast this holiday season.  The show is presented in the classic 1960s "Rankin-Bass" Christmas-special style animation (such as "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer").  According to a report at MTV, the story details how really smart kids figure out the science behind how Santa is able to deliver all the presents each year  According to de Souza, ""Well, we start with a bunch of brainy kids kicking this idea around, and they stumble upon the actual method Santa uses – which involves quantum mechanics and a lot of dialogue that only William Shatner can say,” he continued. “And by attempting to get a photograph of Santa in order to win a contest or to prove his existence, they say, ‘We’ll just delay him for 10 seconds when he’s at our chimney.’ But we’re dealing with quantum physics here!"" More info at MTV.

As the new feature film looms and will hopefully usher in a renaissance of Star Trek, let’s remember those who pioneered the way.

Comments

1. Thomas - October 21, 2008

I think I like the idea of Santa Shatner. He seems like such an unlikely choice.

2. Enterprise - October 21, 2008

I think Shatner and Takei should wrestle each other.

3. Scott - October 21, 2008

Shat sure is laying it on thick.
I have to take a break from watching it
because its making me laugh too hard!

4. Cody - October 21, 2008

Yes, Shatner & Takei should have a cage match, I agree… The loser must shut the hell up… I love ‘em both, but I’d bet on the Shat

5. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 21, 2008

It’s Father issues, Bill.

As a big an authority figure in his life, you should realize that.

6. devon Richards - October 21, 2008

I’m really liking Shatner less and less as he has spoken about various topics online and on TV over this last year. Seriously, if someone doesn’t invite you to their wedding, it’s not because they are “sick”. Shatner himself states that he and Takei were never close ( ie Shatner refused to lower himself to speak to the “other four” for 30 years. ) Why should George invite him? I’d say, “It’s my party, and I’ll cry “I don’t have to see that egomaniacal jerk today!” if I want to!”
We’ve seen Shatner’s overreaction to not being in Trek 11, and now calling Takei “sick” for not inviting him to his nuptials – Maybe, the prime reason Shatner is being snubbed as of late is quite simply that he is a self-centered blowhard who is making a spectacular fool of himself in his old age.
He really needs to shut up, stop attacking people online and go off and quietly count his money.

7. Enterprise - October 21, 2008

I like the characters Shatner plays, but he forgets the line between actor and person.

8. starfleetmom - October 21, 2008

#5 George, I am your father…

9. James R. Kirk - October 21, 2008

I seem to find myself liking Shatner more and more these days.

10. THX-1138 - October 21, 2008

And this is another good reason to recast the beloved characters:

To get a whole new crop of actors together and make them hate each other into their old age.

What Fun!

11. NoRez - October 21, 2008

Bill’s just great, I really enjoy him. The ‘elephant in the room’ that no one ever seems to mention is that there were, and are, actors from Star Trek who, despite whatever work they are doing, gain a large amount of press and airtime by talking about ‘Trek. They gain even MORE press and airtime if they manage to work in some sort of conflict, i.e. the Shatner situation. At this point most people understand that okay, the Shat was probably a big egomaniacal jerk AT TIMES, or perhaps his personality just wasn’t/isn’t for everyone. But he’s right – it’s FORTY YEARS later and really, it’s way too long for the badmouthing to continue and that includes making a special point to state that Bill was NOT invited to one’s wedding. Why mention him at all? Say ‘no comment’ and talk about something else. And also? Maybe at this point bury the damn hatchet.

12. Capt Mike from the Terran Empire - October 21, 2008

Ok. The Shat and George in a WWE. Hell in a Cell. That will work. The Shat is still the greatest.

13. Raphael Salgado - October 21, 2008

I’m going to have to side with Shatner on this one. C’mon, George – if there was a situation so cruel and evil that Bill had done, I’m sure he would have known, acknowledged it, or apologized for it. If it wasn’t that bad, it’s still a 40-year-old grudge. If I can get over Berman and Braga ruining a multi-billion-dollar franchise, I’m sure George can get over Bill’s antics.

When Bill said that he and George don’t have that many years left ahead of them, that really sunk into my heart – I don’t have any hatred or grand grudges toward anyone, and regardless of who’s wrong, I would have extended an olive branch minutes after a post like that.

14. John Trumbull - October 21, 2008

Mr. Shatner, I don’t know either you or George Takei, but if I was to hazzard a guess as to what his big problem with you is, I would say that it’s the fact you seem so oblivious to him in general. Yes, it is sad that Takei still seems to be holding a grudge towards you for 40+ years, but it also seems sad to me that you’ve apparently made so little effort to get to know him better in those same 40+ years.

One of you two should just choose to be the bigger man & just let it this whole thing go. Politely decline to comment on it any further. Just my opinion.

15. jason - October 21, 2008

He called him George TaGAY one day on the set, and that was the last straw.

16. NoRez - October 21, 2008

I’m guessing Brad has to watch Boston Legal on TIVO when George is out of the house, or else he’d never get to hear the dialogue over George’s constant kvetching about Shat not letting him have more camera time back in the day…

17. Gary Seven - October 21, 2008

The character of Captain Kirk is an inspiring, generous person who is secure in himself.

Shatner is a self-centered, petty, and small man.

18. Norm! - October 21, 2008

My first impression of Shatner’s comment regarding the snub was that he sounded insincere, self-serving, and less than reconciliatory. However, after Googling “Takei Shatner wedding”, it seems clear that Takei stirred-up the conflict by publicly announcing that Shatner’s non-invitation. So Shatner had the right to be unapologetic within the context of Takei’s public comments.

It’s nice to think that two guys who have known each other for 42 years would be able to reconcile or at least come to a truce, but life isn’t perfect. I’m sure Takei and other TOS cast members have legitimate claims against Shatner, but it seems it’s time to move-on.

19. Negotiator - October 21, 2008

Dear George, I got News for you. Star Trek without Sulu ( read, you ) goes on and went on. Star Trek without Kirk, well it don’t go very far.
If you are still peeved because he had, I mean has a big ego, get over it. The man deserves a lot of credit for making Star Trek what it is today. I’ll watch an episode / movie with just Kirk, Spock, Bones and the big E anyday. With only Sulu, Chekov, Uhura and Scotty, I’ll pass. You guys were the Ringo Starr of Star Trek. Give credit where credit is due.

20. StarTrekkie - October 21, 2008

Another reason TNG is better than TOS (in my very humble opinion) – the cast actually got along with each other.

I’m amazed this rivalry has lasted as long as it has. Unbelievable. I too pity George Takei. He’s obviously very distressed. Although I think Shatner would do better to simple ignore Takei.

21. S. John Ross - October 21, 2008

Wow, that’s a lot of passive-aggressive mudslinging there, Shat :(

22. Buzz Cagney - October 21, 2008

No14- but with Takei there is much that is worth taking the time to ignore.
However, it is simply crazy that two men can reach such generous ages and still carry grudges around. Sad.
Get over it, or forget each other completely.

23. Salamander Cakes - October 21, 2008

Shat’s the king of the castle, and Takei’s the dirty rascal!

24. Roy - October 21, 2008

Shatner is right in many ways. First it does seem that George is sick in some ways to continue having a grudge 40 Plus years later. First if Bill was hogging all the lines and the close-ups back then; it really didn’t hurt George. Everybody knows him as Mr. Sulu; not as some guy in a yellow shirt piloting the Enterprise.

Second these men DON’T have many years left with us. To continue this resentment towards Bill because of camera time and line stealing is pretty petty 40 Plus years later. According to George in Star Trek IV there was a scene shot the showed Sulu being promoted to Captain. Maybe he blames Bill for that scene being cut.

I’m surprised that George is not mad at John Wayne. They filmed the “Green Berets” during Star Trek’s Second Season. Why doesn’t George say how John Wayne stole all the camera time and lines in that movie??

Shatner, Nimoy, & Kelley were the main stars of the show; the rest of the actors were the supporting cast. Meaning they weren’t in every episode, had the camera on them all the time or sometimes didn’t have alot of lines for their chatacters to say. If Bill did all they say he did then we wouldn’t remember them at all. We would remember only Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley and the rest of them would draw blank from the fans, but that is not the case at all.

If James Doohan and Bill could patch up their differences so can you George. I thought that all was well between these 2 men because George appeared on “The Roast of William Shatner”. But I guess not.

Maybe George is jealous of Bill’s career. Sure, Bill had some downtime after “Star Trek” but he came back with “T.J. Hooker”, “Rescue 911″, “Third Rock from the Sun”, “Priceline”, “Boston Legal”, “Tek World”, even his version of “Rocket Man” is still talked about today. Bill has a couple of Emmy Awards. Fans wanted to see Bill in the new Star Trek movie next year; while I don’t remember seeing or hearing anyone wanting George to be in the new movie. Yes, Bill will always be Captain James T. Kirk (Sorry Chris Pine), but there is other characters Bill has played that you could name. While George is still only known as Mr. Sulu of Star Trek.

George if what Bill did to you still affects you to this day; you do need to seek some professional help. That or “Get a Life, George”.

25. Shafty - October 21, 2008

Bitter old man…

26. Quatlo - October 22, 2008

George Tacky would have been ignored out of existence long ago were it not for his controversial actions. He is the bitter old man.

27. Leonel - October 22, 2008

Most intriguing. My opinion? Plenty of blame to go around if you ask me.

- William Shatner publicly reacting to being snubbed?
- George Takei making it public that William Shatner is not invited?
- Both for passing judgement and not making amends over the years?
- The media and blogsphere sensationalizing the situation?
- All of us for giving attention this doesn’t deserve?

Given I’ve made the effort to make a post, perhaps I’m one to talk. Regardless maybe we all should just get over it, ignore the feud, and move on. Human nature will no doubt dictate otherwise.

28. fakesteve - October 22, 2008

Looks like Bill is fond of Obama, nice. So is Zachary Quinto. Generations meet ;))

29. Enterprise - October 22, 2008

I think these two are the ones in love with each other.

30. Mark Lynch - October 22, 2008

If Bill ‘does not know the man’ then why would he be bothered at not being invited?
People I don’t know very well, don’t invite me to their weddings either, but you don’t see me putting up a video blog about it.

31. Iowagirl - October 22, 2008

#17

Wow, what an actor! :)

32. MrLerpa - October 22, 2008

YAWN….zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

33. Enterprise - October 22, 2008

Bill could have crashed the party.

34. fakesteve - October 22, 2008

I would just grab a bottle of champagne and drive over there to George to fix that thing up. Because it’s obvious that Bill is not happy with the situation, either.

35. mikeat5280 - October 22, 2008

Is it me or is the Shat losing weight?

36. Tabitha - October 22, 2008

That was smug, unnecessary and a disappointing effort by Mr. Shatner. I sadly expected more from him, as a long term fan. If I were him, I would remove that video.

37. Toddk - October 22, 2008

I would wonder if george had a secret crush on bill back in the 60′s and that maybe george is still trying to get over being rejected. I have been wondering about this since george “came out”. I also feel that bill is being sincere about his feelings on this matter.

38. Charlie in Colorado - October 22, 2008

LOL at #33… I kind of feel bad for Leonard Nimoy, actually. As he’s very good friends with both Takei and Shatner, I wonder if he sometimes feels like the dude stuck in the middle.

39. Dansk - October 22, 2008

“I’m really liking Shatner less and less as he has spoken about various topics online and on TV over this last year.”

Exactly. I used to respect him, but that was before I heard him speak at length. He strikes me as egotistical and self-centered. I fail to understand how George Takei not inviting him to his wedding (when Shatner openly admits they have no personal relationship and are “strangers” to each other) makes him “sick”.

You are the one with problems, Mr. Shatner. My respect for you as a human being diminishes every time I see one of your videos.

40. Green ink - October 22, 2008

37. That’s what I thought. Coupled with Shatner’s obvious disregard of his collegues back then. From his comments it appears that he never even noticed his showboating, so it could be that his demeanor was especially hurtful to mr. Takei.
As for him publicly stating that Shatner wasn’t invited. You have to take in account that he’ll always be associated with Star Trek and thus with Shatner. If he’s never really gotten over the whole thing then I think it goes a long way to explaining why he wanted to say he wasn’t invited.
As for Shatner, sure it was a stupid thing to do, somewhat petty, but be the bigger person here and send him a card congratulating him on his nuptials, don’t go on the internet and say George Takei is a sick man.
In the end maybe it’s just a case of both them being drama queens a bit. They are actors after all.

41. Tom - October 22, 2008

I wonder if Mr. Orci agrees with jj that the scene he and Alex Kurtzman wrote for Shatner was contrived? After all the movie is going to show the roots of the original characters relationships begin to develop. would be nice to see it in action with a nod to Shatner/Nimoy

42. Canonfornication - October 22, 2008

Yeah Bill shoulda crashed the wedding in full on Star Trek regalia – TWOK uniform (with big coat) complete with phaser and lunchbox commuincator..and had the thick funky black perm as well…

When we wasn’t allowed by the guards he could have screamed TAKEEEEEEEEIIIIII! (yes I know you saw that coming)

43. Jon - October 22, 2008

Shatner comes across as a right bitter old bastard lately.

44. A. .S.F.33 - October 22, 2008

#11Exactly right. I mean who goes around talking about whom you didn’t invite. I thought it was kinda petty of George to do that at the time.

45. SPB - October 22, 2008

ISN’T IT OBVIOUS…?

George Takei is in love with William Shatner.

46. Admiral Kent - October 22, 2008

Hell, I thought the two sorta got over this after the Shatner roast.

47. CmdrR - October 22, 2008

So, he’s got his daughter calling George “Tak-igh” instead of Tak-ay (“Rhymes with toupee!”)

HA!

48. James R. Kirk - October 22, 2008

28

I’m still holding out hope in my fantasy world that Bill is a republican; however, I deep inside I know better.

49. fred - October 22, 2008

I think the problem is George, and that he lives off the publicity all this back and forth generates. It puts him in the limelight that Shatner has so much to himself.

50. Horatio - October 22, 2008

Who is the one who is always talking smack in the media? Its Takei. Shatner should be smart enough not to take the bait.

I like George but I don’t know where he gets off with his self importance in the Trekverse. Shatner IS Kirk. Kirk IS one of the pillars of Trek.

51. paustin - October 22, 2008

Shat is dead on this time. George has obviously been talking up this drama to get attention, but I think really he’s spun out of control. I think he doth protest to much. Its sad that George has taken it to the extreme and in a sense has been consumed by it all.
It’s such a simple thing, and I’ve said this before I feel fandom is the cause. Because over years and years of people coming to up boosting your ego telling you Sulu should have been featured more…etc etc, should have his own show. You start to believe it. Now lets be fair here, we’re talking about 60′s television (not 90′s ensemble casting). And Shatner, Nimoy and to a lesser extent Kelley WERE the stars, yes they had more closeups, they were there everyday. The show revolved around them. And by the times they did the movies the cast was dyed, whether it was there or not George was gonna perceive it. George was a self fulfilling prophecy.

52. SChaos1701 - October 22, 2008

Last time I checked, Takei wasn’t on the opening credits.

53. KennyB - October 22, 2008

Sorry Shat–your a dick. If you didn’t know him that well then why WOULD he invite you to his wedding?

54. The Angry Klingon - October 22, 2008

I think George is a great guy but I also believe that Shatner has been the quieter of the two on this subject. Bill has posted ONE response to the latest in a long laundry list of public shots taken by George at him. Those of you that think that this is about Bill not being invited to the wedding are hopelessly shortsighted. It was about PUBLICLY being NOT invited. It was about George going out of his way to let everyone know that everyone but Bill was invited. I dont think he would have gone had he been invited and I dont think his feelings were hurt by not being invited. I think what rankles him is that George felt the need (AGAIN) to go out of his way to show his disdain for Shatner publicly. Those of you that dont get that well, theres not much hope for making it any clearer. Takei’s roast of Shatner on Comedy Central was way over the top and he was the only one there roasting who was actually TRYING (IMHO)to be hurtful. How many interviews has Shat attacked George or anyone else in the cast? Compare that to how many times George has gone after Bill. Sorry, I like George but he needs to let this go. George is like teh ex girlfriend who has to come around frequently just to let you know again why it is she broke up with you instead of just moving on and being happy. This is just unhappy and I think Shatners response was measured and not without merit.

55. VOODOO - October 22, 2008

I’m sure George Takei is a nice guy, but he really needs to drop this vendetta against Shatner. It’s kind of annoying.

Does Mr. Takei still harbor that much ill will towards Shatner because his Sulu character was a bit player on a tv series 40 years ago?

That series was about Kirk/Spock + McCoy not Sulu.

56. krikzil - October 22, 2008

I really like George –he’s always been sweet to fans — but he does need to get over it. He IS the one who constantly brings it up and has for years. (At least Doohan was funny at cons when he was dissing Bill back in the day!) Given he went out of his way to publicly state he didn’t invite Bill, I don’t blame Shatner for the video and he’s right — they don’t have much time left and grudges are silly. (I dread the day we lose these folks!!!!!)

Same goes for JJ’s remarks in the EW article about Shatner talking to him through youtube. Well, if you are going to repeatedly make comments in interviews about Shatner’s supposed demands — when in fact you haven’t even spoken to the guy since the original pitches in 2006 — what do you expect?

57. Scott - October 22, 2008

Re: #47 – I caught that too. It doesn’t help things, does it?

Shatner, while hugely entertaining, is clearly very self-directed. Not so much “egotistical,” but just absorbed in his own interests.

It’s a shame that Takei seems so bitter, but I think what Takei and Koenig and Nichols and Doohan have been saying all these years is that Shatner expressed very little respect for them as actors and human beings (unlike Nimoy and Kelley, who both seem(ed) very outwardly directed people). He didn’t bother to get to know them, or express any concern about them. It seems they were saying that no matter how “big” you are, you should always treat people as people, not as props and window dressing. That’s the impression I get, anyway.

Still, life’s too short to expend a lot of it on negativity like this. I wish them all well.

Scott B. out.

58. The Underpants Monster - October 22, 2008

My guess is that the reason George announced the non-invitation is because he knew people would ask him about it if he didn’t.

59. David West - October 22, 2008

Honestly, one has to wonder if some of this is due to Bill not embracing George’s lifestyle in public, like the rest of the crew have made a point to do (especially Ms Nichols).

I guess George won’t be showing up at the Vegas convention next year, since Bill’s one of the guests of honor.

60. Chris - October 22, 2008

Sounds like a case of unrequited love in the case of “Oh my” Takei.

61. ~~TARA~~ - October 22, 2008

At Shore Leave convention this year George mentioned that Shatner was on the list, however they were really short on who they could invite. They did not have a big wedding, so there were just others closer to the couple who were more welcomed. If you only could invite a few people, would you invite some whom you have a not so nice past with?

62. Closettrekker - October 22, 2008

#38—-He probably feels like the only one of the three of them with any class.

#56—”…if you are going to repeatedly make comments in interviews about Shatner’s supposed demands — when in fact you haven’t even spoken to the guy since the original pitches in 2006 — what do you expect?”

You mean ‘repeatedly answer the same questions’, don’t you? I don’t mind either one of them (Abrams and Shatner) repeatedly addressing the subject when they are asked. But it’s one thing to answer a question (however repetitive) posed by a media outlet, and quite another to spout the whinings of a preteen girl from an internet soapbox of one’s own creation.

As for what Abrams should ‘expect’, it is obviously not “dignity” on the part of Shatner, nor is it any kind of accurate interpretation of the comments in question. The truth is, Abrams never claimed to have done what Shatner was ranting about ‘not’ being done in the first place.

I love Bill Shatner as an actor. As a person, I always thought he was kind of silly, but this entire drama with Abrams actually makes me embarassed for him. It isn’t the same as his tendancy toward self-deprecating humor, which I always found endearing. Shatner could have handled all of this with dignity and professionalism. Instead, he has turned this into a never-ending saga of self-humiliation and sour grapes.

So very sad.

63. Gabriel Bell - October 22, 2008

54. The Angry Klingon

Mostly valid points. However, when someone calls out a bully, I don’t necessarily have any issue with that. There are enough historical records throughout the years documenting the boorish and unfriendly behavior of Shatner both on and off the set (on a myriad of projects). And now that someone like Takei takes every chance he can to call him out on it, could just be some seriously elongated payback.

I’m not saying it is right or wrong, I’m just saying hug a tribble.

64. Horatio - October 22, 2008

#62 – this “drama” between him and JJ will still drum up nice publicity for the movie. And i’m still not so sure that there won’t have a surprise Shat cameo at the end of the film – despite what both parties are saying.

65. Andy Patterson - October 22, 2008

I don’t care for the Kirk vs. God moment either but they’re all great Kirk moments as far as I’m concerned.

66. Closettrekker - October 22, 2008

#64—I, for one, would have preferred seeing Shatner leave Star Trek behind with the dignity of a man in his 70′s who has accomplished a great deal in his life and continues to add to those achievements to this day…not fussing and whining.

I guess I should know better than to expect that from Bill. He’s never had much shame about anything. He is who he is, and no matter how much he makes an ass of himself, he will still have fans.

67. star trackie - October 22, 2008

#25 “Bitter old man…”

Yes, no doubt crying himself to sleep with an emmy in one hand and his golden globe in the other.

68. Horatio - October 22, 2008

#66 – I can’t disagree with anything you’ve said. I just don’t understand why some fans think that Shatner’s assiness is any different than Takei’s assiness.

69. Cervantes - October 22, 2008

Lol at it all.

Bill just gets better and better.

Oh and I like George too.

70. Closettrekker - October 22, 2008

#68—-Because Shatner has always been more relevant than Takei.

Here’s a dramatic analogy:
If an actor in Hollywood today were chargerd with murder, which case would the general public find more shocking?

U.S. vs Charlie Sheen, or U.S. vs Tom Hanks?

I don’t think it’s even a question…do you?

In the realm of Star Trek fans, Takei is a minor figure. Shatner is an enormous figure (although his behavior doesn’t do much to distinguish him).

71. Shatner_Fan_2000 - October 22, 2008

#66 “…no matter how much he makes an ass of himself, he will still have fans.”

Hi everybody!! :-)

72. krikzil - October 22, 2008

“You mean ‘repeatedly answer the same questions’, don’t you?”

I don’t how they stay sane when they are asked the same lazy questions over and over for years by the media. But then I guess that applies to just about every celebrity out there, huh?

“q…uite another to spout the whinings of a preteen girl from an internet soapbox of one’s own creation. … it is obviously not “dignity” on the part of Shatner, nor is it any kind of accurate interpretation of the comments in question. The truth is, Abrams never claimed to have done what Shatner was ranting about ‘not’ being done in the first place.”

As usual, we see this very differently. He wasn’t ranting or acting like a girl in the video. And fans did misinterpret JJ’s remarks…just go back and read the comments posted on this site casting Shatner as the villain of the piece for supposedly turning down the cameo that was never offered to him in the first place. With JJ repeatedly making statements about what Bill supposedly said about his role requirements throughout the last 2 years, it DID seem like they were talking when they weren’t in reality.

“I love Bill Shatner as an actor……which I always found endearing. Shatner could have handled all of this with dignity and professionalism. Instead, he has turned this into a never-ending saga of self-humiliation and sour grapes. So very sad.”

I also have enjoyed how he stopped taking himself so seriously in the past decades and seemed to loosen up. (I’m thinking that comes to most people as they get older.) But again, don’t see sour grapes at all. He’s been nothing but complimentary about the movie and JJ. The harshest thing he’s said was “bad business decision” which I totally agreed with given the state of his career these days.

73. Closettrekker - October 22, 2008

#71—Ladies and gentlemen…case in point.

:)

74. Gary Seven - October 22, 2008

#31 Iowagirl,

I think he pulls it off because he’s an idiot savant.

Love,

G.S.

75. David P - October 22, 2008

great story on Santa Claus voiced by SHAT!
of course JJ Abrams is “naughty” and gets nothing!!!

76. Closettrekker - October 22, 2008

#72—”With JJ repeatedly making statements about what Bill supposedly said about his role requirements throughout the last 2 years…”

Again, it’s the questions which are repeated. The answer has been consistent. Shatner said, “I don’t do cameos”. He said it very publicly. There is nothing “supposed” about it.
If it appears as though there has been dialogue where there has been none, that is the fault of the media (who are asking the same questions over and over during that time), not Abrams. All he has done is his best to answer the questions respectfully and patiently.

“The harshest thing he’s said was “bad business decision” which I totally agreed with given the state of his career these days.”

And were this just another fanboy Star Trek movie, you (and Shatner) would probably be right. But given this film’s stated objectives (whether you believe they are realistic or not), making a $150 million movie featuring Bill Shatner as JTK would be the “bad business decision”.

In fact, I find it unlikely that Paramount would have even parted with such a budget in that case, no matter who was in the director’s chair.

77. FREAKAZOID - October 22, 2008

*LOL*

Shatner Claus!

78. krikzil - October 22, 2008

“Shatner said, “I don’t do cameos”. He said it very publicly. There is nothing “supposed” about it.”

Yes, 3 weeks before filming began in October. Absolutely no effect on anything.

Yet, the way Orci and JJ have made comments it DID seem like they were talking to him directly. Heck, I thought they were….until Shatner told us at the August 07 con that he had never heard from them after the mid-2006 meetings.

“But given this film’s stated objectives (whether you believe they are realistic or not), making a $150 million movie featuring Bill Shatner as JTK would be the “bad business decision”. ”

Oh, I totally agree that the day is long gone when Shatner or any of the original cast could carry a movie.

But let’s remember, the only time Shatner could have said anything to the writers and JJ about his role and requirements would have been the only time they talked — back in 2006. Given they were just pitching ideas then to him, and he’d long been the star of Trek, it doesn’t seem unrealistic that he’d want a good size role.

That’s apparently what happened with Generations. But of course, the storyline that was greenlighted didn’t lend itself to this what with his character’s death. (But even with Generations, his screen time amounted to about a half an hour so he’s not unrealistic.) The average person and media links Kirk and Spock together in Trek; Shatner and Nimoy. The questions about Shatner not being in the movie are going to continue. It’s natural, especially given Shat’s high profile in recent years.

79. ByGeorge - October 22, 2008

#20

“Another reason TNG is better than TOS (in my very humble opinion) – the cast actually got along with each other.”

Are you nuts? That saga is more fun than a barrel of monkeys. If they all got along there would be nothing to write about. “Shiny happy people” get kind of boring to watch – as did TNG. Good drama needs conflict, tension, differences of opinion, a few insults and knuckle sandwiches help too. Its a lot funner to watch conflict develop and resolve than to watch peace, and harmony – it goes nowhere. We might be striving to achieve peace and understanding – but it ain’t really exciting to watch.

80. dalek - October 22, 2008

Put me down for the Shatner, Takei cage match. With a million quatloos on Shatner. :)

81. Dom - October 22, 2008

Shatner says it how it is.

He’s quite right about how George Takei appears. Takei was a minor castmember in a TV show 40 years ago and Shatner was the star. Shatner’s gone on to be known worldwide in lots of other roles and as a celebrity in his own right. Takei has memorably worldwide played . . . um . . . Sulu and appeared as himself on lots of shows slagging off Shatner.

Bill Shatner could make reading a shopping list amusing and I could listen to him rattle on all day. As for Takei, I’m afraid, I’ve lost all interest in him. Shatner comes over as disappointed about the new Trek film, but not bitter. Takei comes over as a bitter, bitter man. Sad.

82. BND - October 22, 2008

70

What if Charlie Sheen killed Tommy Hanks? But, somehow, wit’ his last breathe, Mr. Hanks wuz able ta’ try ta’ kill his murderer but instead killed Martin Sheen by accident?

Dear Mr. Shatner Claus,

Why did ye’ re-edit all me Starry Trek DVDs so when Sulu be on-screen, it
is now always changed ta’ a close-up of ye’?

Dear Mr. Takei,

While I thank ye’ fur reccommending such a good landscapin’ service fur me yard, why did they spell oot “Suck it, Shatner” wit’ me tulips?

Dear Mr. Shatner,

I know it wuz ye’ that blew up me scale model o’ tha’ Excesior! And could ye’ please come pick up yer accomplice James Spader as he’s eatin’ all me Hydrox cookies and now won’t get up off me sofa?

Dear Mr. Takei,

I have no evidence but I’m bettin’ ye’ be tha’ one that took me carved pumpkins o’ young Shatner and old Shatner and placed them so they be kissin’ each other (amongst other naughty bits.) Fur goodness sakes! Next time can ye’ just kidnap Shat’s pal James Spader who has taken ta’ wearin’ me robe and just sits aboot watchin’ ‘Little House on tha’ Prairie’ all tha’ live-long day?

Dear ASPCA,

Can I drop someone off thar’?

Dear Mr. Shatner,

As eager as ye’ be ta’ continue yer Boston show, ye’ may wanna ask Takei if he can fill in fur Mr. Spader as I have had Mr. Spader corralled at yer’ local animal shelter. His ticket is 6B-78902 and he be scheduled fur tha’ lethal shot this nigh Friday unless adopted.

Arrrrrrrrr…

83. Iowagirl - October 22, 2008

#56
Yep!

#74
Gary,

Main thing is we once again managed to reach an agreement: Shatner pulls it off! :)

Love,
I.

84. bill hiro - October 22, 2008

Takei is a smart guy, always has been. He very adeptly uses this self-generated “feud” Shatner to raise his profile in the press, and thus makes the most out of his past association with Shatner – who, as the star of the show, probably did metaphorically shove Takei out of the spotlight a few times, way back when. So in the end, its all a karmic masterpiece.

85. Tom - October 22, 2008

Any invitation from George would have been contrived. No sense shoehorning Shatner in the wedding.

86. boborci - October 22, 2008

41

I don’t. On the other hand, the movie works without it, so he maybe right by definition.

87. JoshS - October 22, 2008

Shoveling dirt and personal grudges publicly, and to the media, is just the height of tacky, vulgar behavior, regardless of who does it, or who attacked first. How embarrassing. I take no side – it’s not about whether Shatner or Takei are “right” or who “started it.” It’s equally ugly no matter whom it’s coming from. Celebrity status comes with some special sickness that makes formerly normal people forget all about taste, decorum, and acting like a adult with reasonable social skills. It’s just Jerry Springer/Oprah dirty laundry confessionals writ large, replacing trashy feuding families with strutting famous peacocks. Spare us.

88. Pragmaticus - October 22, 2008

I’m siding with George. Shatner whines too much.

89. Xai, on to a far more important story than a soap opera. - October 22, 2008

Both gentlemen need to focus on something else and I feel this is entirely overblown in whatever media reports it .
“Stars” get asked questions, even about these trivial things. The standard answer should be. “That’s well behind us now. (Smile) Next question?
There is a huge number of things in this life to think about that come before something as trivial as this.

90. krikzil - October 22, 2008

“I don’t. On the other hand, the movie works without it, so he maybe right by definition.”

I know that I’m looking forward to reading it next year. Any hints? Like perhaps who was in the scene with him? At this point, a vicarious thrill would be great.

91. dalek - October 22, 2008

#86 Hi Bob,

With or without Shatner’s scene, what I’d like to know is, is Kirk’s fate now open ended and open to interpretation. He was pretty much sealed to his previous death.

But with what I’ve seen and read, Kirk now takes on Romulans before Balance of Terror, which would permanantly alter the changes.

Is it now possible things have changed for his future?

92. Tom - October 22, 2008

I Like how Shatner says “I never knew the man” then goes thru Takei’s life history and being closeted until 70.

The fact is that fandom has known that he was gay for decades now. He decided to get married at 70+ because it was legalized in CA (plus he’s been championing that issue years before).

I don’t think Takei made a “concerted effort” not to invite Shatner, he just didn’t. But knowing the Shat’s infamous ego, the whole situation was just blown out of proportion

93. boborci - October 22, 2008

91. No idea!

94. dalek - October 22, 2008

#93 thanks for answering. I take it then, it’s open to interpretation if not expressly stated either way after the events of the movie. I’m pretty jazzed for the movie, altho Kirk’s death has always been a sore point for more classic stuff. I’ll try and watch this with an open excited mind :)

95. Captain Presley - October 22, 2008

Love The Shat! (in a straight sort of way)

96. Paul-Fitz - October 22, 2008

Personally i didn’t like Kirk, i preferred Spock….
Shatner is not (in my opinion) a good actor. But he was lucky to be handed Iconic status with the role of Kirk,
as were all the others.

I wonder if we will hear Chris Pine bitching at John Cho in later years? Or is there a higher level of professionalism with this generation of actors, a level which Takei and Shatner have not reached.

97. Matthew_Briggsuk - October 22, 2008

Why sould Takei invite Mr Shatner to his civil ceromony. I wouldn’t be upset if one of my part time collegues at work didn’t invite me and I certainly wouldn’t waste my time recording a video about it.

I for one over the last year have got fed up with Shatner and his constant “JJ didn’t do this” Leonards in I’m not” blah blah.

I wish Mr Shatner would practice what he preaches

“Get a life”

98. Stanky McFibberich - October 22, 2008

Takei Schmakei.

99. AJ - October 22, 2008

96: Paul-Fitz:

How many here think Shatner was a better actor on Trek than he is now? I find his Kirk, up until TWOK, to be brilliant. The character actually grew personally thanks to Shatner, and I think he was actually trying.

I mean, who could imagine Bill Shatner in 2008 doing “City on the Edge of Forever”?

Just what I thought.

100. Mr Shmock - October 22, 2008

Shatner will be in the movie…its gonna happen…dont believe what JJ or Shatner says…

All this stuff with shatner saying stuff to the contary…he did the same with Generations when people kept asking him if he was gonna die…saying ‘no i dont die!’

and i believe the same happened with Spocks death in Trek II..everyone denied it…

On May 08 we’ll all be sat in theatres watching ST and at some point (maybe the end) we are all gonna blow our loads in unison when The Shat appears as James T Kirk

101. Enterprise - October 22, 2008

Takei’s always been jealous of the Shat as should we all. He’s awesome.

102. cellojammer - October 22, 2008

100.

“On May 08 we’ll all be sat in theatres watching ST and at some point (maybe the end) we are all gonna blow our loads in unison when The Shat appears as James T Kirk”

Oh dear, I’d hate to be a movie theater employee on that day!

8^D

103. The REAL Redjac - October 22, 2008

LOVED Shat’s comments about Takei!

HILARIOUS!!! I nearly peed myself…lol!!!!

GO SHAT!!!!

104. Anthony Pascale - October 22, 2008

OK people lets not get personal and watch your language

warnings to Salamander Cakes, Shafty, Jon, KennyB

the ‘be civil’ rule always applies, whether talking to the other posters or to the subject of the article.

105. Spocks BRAIN - October 22, 2008

I like shatner…..

106. The REAL Redjac - October 22, 2008

An update — apparently The Shat WAS invited to the wedding:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_en_tv/people_william_shatner

107. Closettrekker - October 22, 2008

#99—I don’t know that he is actually any less talented now. However, I have long felt that he took the role of JTK somewhat less seriously beyond his performances of the first 20 years or so. As I have said many times before (merely my opinion, of course):

TOS-TVH= Shatner as Kirk= great

TFF-GEN= Kirk as Shatner= not so great

The turning point for me was TVH. The comedy in that film worked well, but this was also the ‘height’ of Star Trek parody within the confines of SNL, late night talk shows, etc. I just felt that (post TVH) Shatner stopped giving everything he had to his Kirk portrayals, and they became more and more phoned-in (although TUC is the best of those last three performances). I actually felt as if he was ‘pandering’ to the SNL crowd, and delivering Kirk with a wink…

I know I’m in the minority as far as TOS-heavy fans go, but I would gladly trade the last three films (TFF-GEN) for the final image of Shatner as Kirk being on the bridge of the newly christened Enterprise-A at the end of TVH, embarking upon a new mission to explore strange new worlds, etc…

108. DFG333 - October 22, 2008

It takes one to know Mr Shatner. Your just a sad, lonely man.

109. Oregon Trek Geek - October 22, 2008

Huh. A lot of negative responses about Shatner’s Takei comments. I thought they were just fine. I have to side with Shatner on this whole “Shatner-was-a-bastard-on-TOS” thing some of the minor actors from the show are (still) doing. Shatner’s apologized 100 times backwards, and it’s still a thing with the Takeis and the Koenigs, et al. They need to get over it.

110. Magic_Al - October 22, 2008

Thanks to Shatner we now know that if Obama is unable to fulfill his duties, he is replaced not with Joe Biden but with Jared from Subway. Do voters know this?

111. sean - October 22, 2008

Oh Bill, you just couldn’t have been the ‘better man’ and let this slide, could you? That video is pathetic.

112. Closettrekker - October 22, 2008

#78—”But let’s remember, the only time Shatner could have said anything to the writers and JJ about his role and requirements would have been the only time they talked — back in 2006.”

I think they were probably just brainstorming in that meeting, and probably not yet even exploring what kind of obstacles would be in the way of finding any kind of role for him at that time, or how those obstacles could be overcome within the script that Orci/Kurtzman had written.

I don’t pretend to know whether he said anything about his role requirements in that meeting, nor do I know whether the writing of the infamous “scene”, or the determination by the director that it would not work predated “I don’t do cameos”. At this point, it is still very speculative.

In any case, “I don’t do cameos” certainly lends support to the notion that Shatner “required a role larger than the movie could sustain”, regardless of the timeline.

“Given they were just pitching ideas then to him, and he’d long been the star of Trek, it doesn’t seem unrealistic that he’d want a good size role.”

No, that does not seem unrealistic in itself, but Shatner’s wishes and what was ever going to really work may have been two very different things. In fact, it seems likely that was the case.

“The questions about Shatner not being in the movie are going to continue. It’s natural, especially given Shat’s high profile in recent years.”

It certainly is natural, but I’m not sure that has much to do with anything recent, rather the tendency to identify Shatner with his most famous role among those of us old enough to remember. I think what gets somewhat lost in all of this, however, is the fact that much of the target audience of this film wasn’t even alive the last time Shatner portrayed Kirk in a Star Trek movie (and even more substantial is the number of moviegoers who weren’t alive the last time he was the central character in the plot of one). No matter how many times the media will continue to ask the question as the promotion campaign for the movie builds, I don’t think the overwhelming majority of teen moviegoers will miss him a bit. In fact, if it becomes too much about a 77 year-old actor being in or out (who they probably only know as the Priceline guy, or a supporting actor on a tv show their grandparents watch), I’m willing to bet it won’t do a whole lot for the film’s appeal to that demographic.

113. ShatisDead - October 22, 2008

No class Shat!

114. ngl;sdb;ga - October 22, 2008

shatner, that was really lame. get over it. not everybody has to like you.

115. Closettrekker - October 22, 2008

#108—I don’t think there has been any real “fire” in that so-called feud for quite some time.

At this point, it is most likely career-oriented on Takei’s part. If he were not willing to air such dirty laundry on Letterman, Conan, or whatever, who would even care to invite him on?

Would he have earned himself regular airtime on Howard Stern? A recurring role on ‘Heroes’? I doubt it.

Hollywood is about exposure, good or bad. It’s all the same. To some degree, any publicity is good publicity. If George can use some of Bill’s past behavior to get some face time, I’m sorry, but–it is difficult for me not to laugh about it. Bill should know that it is far beyond anything personal at this point. He’s in the business too, and quite the attention, well..you know, himself.

I think Shatner should smile when he hears about the same old remarks and stories out of Takei, and recognize it for what it is. Shatner’s career is hardly threatened by anything which comes out of George’s mouth. Unfortunately, taking the high road is not Bill’s style, but I don’t believe for one minute that he is actually offended by not being invited to Takei’s wedding. Why on Earth should he have expected to be? Whether he believes that Takei’s past anger towards him was justified or not, he has to know that he isn’t exactly George’s BFF! :)

116. Xai - October 22, 2008

Stupid soap opera,

117. Gary Seven - October 22, 2008

Do you guys know this “Stupid Soap Opera” is big news? Go to the Entertainment section on Google News:

http://news.google.com/nwshp?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wn

118. krikzil - October 22, 2008

“I think they were probably just brainstorming in that meeting, and probably not yet even exploring what kind of obstacles would be in the way of finding any kind of role for him at that time, ”

Shatner did an interview with that late night Ferguson guy in Nov or Dec 07 and he did mention that they talked about overcoming the problem of Kirk’s death, so it was on the table. I have to wonder if the 2 sides were simply on different pages from the very beginning. They pitched to him as a courtesy; he thought it was more and that they were serious in overcoming the problem when in reality, they knew the direction they were going (given the comments made about Nimoy’s involvment) and a large role for him wasn’t viable.

“It certainly is natural, but I’m not sure that has much to do with anything recent, rather the tendency to identify Shatner with his most famous role among those of us old enough to remember.”

Heh, heh. Us old fogies. ;)

“I think what gets somewhat lost in all of this, however, is the fact that much of the target audience of this film wasn’t even alive the last time Shatner portrayed Kirk in a Star Trek movie (and even more substantial is the number of moviegoers who weren’t alive the last time he was the central character in the plot of one).”

I don’t think it matters that they weren’t alive. Even nonfans know the iconic image of Shatner and Nimoy as Kirk and Spock. It’s why Paramount went back to TOS for this movie after TNG and the other incarnations didn’t end up with the staying power of the original. And given Shat’s high profile of late, I do think the average person with almost no awareness of what’s going on will ask why he’s not in the film when Nimoy is, just as the media has done. Every time Bill tries to do publicity for a project, Trek and the new film come up. I’ve always felt kinda bad for him and Nimoy in this regard.

119. Canadianknight - October 22, 2008

Oh fer…

The media circus around this is just stupid.

Shatner needs to quit bitching about such things… it’s Takei’s business who he invites to his wedding… and George didn’t need to make it a public issue.

That all said, I think of the two… Shatner is making a bigger fool of himself. I’m amazed people are supporting his behavior. Honestly, I’ve met both men. Much as I love Kirk, Shatner is an arse. Takei, while he may have unresolved issues with Shatner, is a true gentleman… and is always warm and gracious to the fans.

120. Shatner_Fan_2000 - October 22, 2008

Closet, it never ceases to amaze me how you can just go and go and go on this topic. Even after you voyage into the undiscovered country, your ghost will still be here explaining the Shatner/JJ … talked/didn’t talk timeline. Sigh. Let it go already. Big Bill’s not in the movie. JJ dropped the ball. Let’s move on. :-)

How about 2 different points of discussion?

1) Skinny, pretty model Pine doesn’t look nearly as believably TOUGH as young Shatner did. I’m willing to give the kid a chance and I hope he blows me away, but geez … he looks like I could take him in a fight! I always remember the late great Bob Justman saying Shat looked like a man you could believe others would follow into battle. Pine looks like a guy I’d follow to the beach.

2) Did anyone notice Shatner’s daughter is still pronouncing Takei’s name wrong? :-)

121. JustBob - October 22, 2008

They both need to bury the hatchet but not, of course, within their respective heads. Life is too short to carry on such a pitiful feud-like exercise.

Make amends!

122. HSIV - October 22, 2008

takei’s hatred to the shat could be because of a hidden latent crush on the shat from the 60′s, but i think its also subconscious rage at whitey for what north america did to japanese-americans in world war 2…after all, george was held in a japanese internment camp back then…

123. Anthony Thompson - October 22, 2008

5. TMMW

You’re back. Huh. Your self-imposed hiatus didn’t last very long. I had the idea you wouldn’t be back until 5/9. To say that you told us so. That JJ and Co. have ruined Trek with that awful movie of theirs!

And Iowa Girl is back, too! The Shat can breathe easy now!

124. Iowagirl - October 23, 2008

#120
- Closet, it never ceases to amaze me how you can just go and go and go on this topic. -

Yeah, he seems pretty fanatic about it…;-)

- Pine looks like a guy I’d follow to the beach. -

I’d definitely follow him to the next barber …

#123
- And Iowa Girl is back, too! The Shat can breathe easy now! –

You’re as good as gold! :-)

125. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 23, 2008

123. Anthony Thompson – October 22, 2008
… That JJ and Co. have ruined Trek with that awful movie of theirs!

I believe I said that the marketing dept had dropped the ball, in releasing the EW cover art tlike that.

Yes, I’ve have returned from my exile. I spent a whole week in reverse Kohlinar, releasing my emotional attachment to TOS oldschool, With the hope that we are still being cleverly played. I just want good writing then design, a actual nod to TOS design, and then perhaps a Shatner cameo.

As I stated a few posts back. I’ve decided not to judge this new Trek movie by it’s previews. That’s a BIG leap for a this Trek TOS purist. And, I really like TrekMovie and its many ST-411s. And its fun to read all of the posts here. Thanks for asking!

Now what do you think about my TM-Shat-Stats above?

126. Scott - October 23, 2008

I think it’s clear from all the bickering, that Shatner and Takei did have a relationship. It’s very odd that Shatner disowns him as a total stranger and continues to be affected by Takei’s animosity…alright, I’ll come right out and say it: Did they have a gay fling back in the swingin’ 60′s?

127. Tabitha - October 23, 2008

Warp drive, Mr Sulu. Photno torpedoes, Mr. Scott. Ready to engage the enemy!

128. Closettrekker - October 23, 2008

#120—-As you know, I don’t believe that leaving Shatner out equates to “dropping the ball”…

Shatner’s time as Kirk has passed. It was a great run, but one that–IMO–should have ended long before it finally did.

129. Closettrekker - October 23, 2008

#124—Did Iowagirl just call ‘me’ a fanatic?

LMAO.

:)

130. Kaiser The Great - October 23, 2008

#6 – Invite him, don’t invite him, that’s perfectly fine, it’s his wedding. I think Shatner’s point was why did he have to go out of his way to publicly state Shatner is not invited? Just don’t invite him, the end. Instead he said, “This guy is invited and this guy is invited and this guy here and my janitor and SHATNER IS NOT INVITED! DID YOU HEAR THAT WORLD? MWAHHAHAHA!” That is a little weird, IMO. Or at least immature.

131. Closettrekker - October 23, 2008

#130—-I think Takei was “asked” if Shatner was invited…and answered.

Answering a question is not the same thing as going “out of his way to state publicly that Shatner wasn’t invited”.

132. krikzil - October 23, 2008

Back in June….

http://www.accesshollywood.com/william-shatner-sends-wedding-wishes-to-george-takei_article_9808?

133. sean - October 23, 2008

#122

Congrats! You win Most Offensive Comment!

134. Iowagirl - October 23, 2008

#129

Yeah, it takes one to know one. :)

135. Closettrekker - October 23, 2008

#134—Then I’ll just consider myself in good company!

136. Shatner_Fan_2000 - October 23, 2008

#’s 134 & 135 … It’s sad that I wasn’t invited to your wedding. What sort of sickness are y’all suffering from? ;-)

137. cabosandor - October 23, 2008

Guys, Guys, can’t we all just get along?

We’re comparing apples and oranges. On one hand we have an accomplishied actor of many decades of awards and accolades under his belt, who to this day continues to entertain and inspire us, and then we have George. Poor sick little man who if not for Star Trek and Bill
Shatner would to this day be a nobody that needs Bill’s name to even get in to the papers anymore. I say get a life of your own you poor gay little freak and get off the airwaves ’cause we really just don’t give a #%^$.

138. TrekMadeMeWonder - October 23, 2008

Hey, wait a minute. I was’nt invited either!

139. Iowagirl - October 24, 2008

#136

Don’t be sad, I have been and ever shall be your friend…

Oh, did I just nick a line…:)

140. Closettrekker - October 24, 2008

#139—Yes, and quite skillfully too.

141. trekboi - October 26, 2008

If shatner was offended he didnt get invited to the wedding it was just because it was covered in the media.

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