Comments on: Pine: Kirk Is An ‘Everyman’ who ‘Saves The Earth’

By: Ned Ryerson

Ned Ryerson — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:50:30 +0000

Meh

By: Lil' black dog

Lil' black dog — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:10:57 +0000

#162 – thanks! My all-time favorite Trek quote – one that I like to throw out to my friends, kids, co-workers when they’re having a rough day. One that maybe we should all remember…

(I know, doesn’t really pertain to this thread, but Trek wisdom at its best :)

And apparently based on fact if you believe History Channel’s ‘The Universe’ series…

By: the king in shreds and tatters

the king in shreds and tatters — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:55:29 +0000

He better do the Kirk Chop, yo.

By: The Vulcanista

The Vulcanista — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:36:44 +0000

#167 Desilu, with all due respect, with a $150 million budget, what would you like for them to save? More whales? } :-)

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:23:36 +0000

#167—”…but it stops seeming plausible. ”

LMAO.

By: DesiluTrek

DesiluTrek — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:38:29 +0000

I meant they *are* making the movie for a larger audience beyond us fans.

By: DesiluTrek

DesiluTrek — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:36:47 +0000

P.S. Yes, I know they are not making the movie for a larger audience which they assume will have shorter memories or not care what came before or “after.”

By: DesiluTrek

DesiluTrek — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:13:47 +0000

Sigh … Can we please have a movie storyline that does *not* involve saving the Earth? How many times can one individual, or even one starship and its crew, no matter how heroic, save the Earth? What are the odds of that? Once is incredible enough. I know “saving the Earth” helps give these movies an epic scope, but it stops seeming plausible. It’s enough that our starship crew are heroes — they don’t need to be superheroes.

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:00:08 +0000

#165—-”I certainly hope JJ and Bob/Alex can throw something like that into the new film”

I think that Pine’s comments about Kirk’s human frailties indicate that they at least tried to.

“Really, Trek was able, at its best, to put that all out there. ”

Definitely. It is remarkable to me how much selective memory goes into some of the posters’ assessments of who these characters are.

‘Kirk cannot be this….Spock cannot be that’.

If the “Supreme Court” looked at “Balance Of Terror” (as they reportedly did), they would see a James T. Kirk who does indeed question his own judgement, at times, and ‘does’ sometimes need reassuring from Leonard McCoy in order to truly feel confident in the decisions he must make. That is a very natural human emotional state brought on by the weight of command.

None of that matters, in the end, though—since he overcomes ‘it’…not vice-versa. Overcoming that fear (which is what insecurity is) and ultimately saving the day is what makes him a hero.

It will be interesting to see the difference in a much younger James Kirk, who may not even be so comfortable yet as to confide in McCoy.

I cannot imagine James T. Kirk being at anywhere near 100% without Spock and Bones at his side. I don’t think he could be. That (the big three), IMO, was the ‘perfect’ relationship dynamic.

“…we owe him and the boys a view to the film before we pass judgment.”

If only for their ‘attempt’ at bringing these wonderful characters home to us and the amount of effort it has taken to do so…that is an absolute truth, IMO, for anyone who cares at all about the future of Star Trek.

By: AJ

AJ — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:40:24 +0000

162:

Closettrekker:

Great quote.

And it transcends the flick.

I certainly hope JJ and Bob/Alex can throw something like that into the new film.

I always loved the Pike/Boyce talk. “Who wants a warm Martini?”

“We get the same kinds of customers…The living, and the dying.”

Really, Trek was able, at its best, to put that all out there. I hope JJ and Friends get it. Bob Orci, I think, does, but we owe him and the boys a view to the film before we pass judgment.