ST09 Trailer Countdown: Taking A Look At Wrath Of Khan’s Trailer November 4, 2008
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TrekMovie continues its countdown to the upcoming Star Trek 2009 movie trailer with a daily retrospective of the past 10 theatrical Trek film trailers. Today we look back to 1982 trailer for Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
Beyond the darkness…is Khan
Theatrical trailer for Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
Commentary:
"At the end of the universe lies the beginning of vengeance." Much like the film it represents, the TWOK is the antithesis for the trailer of its predecessor, Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It is very action oriented, with bombastic music from James Horner’s soundtrack. It begins by introducing (or refamiliarizing) audiences with Khan’s background and why he would want revenge. Actually, the trailer is mostly Khan focused, which is an interesting choice, but Ricardo Montalban starred in the hit series Fantasy Island at the time. The crew of the Enterprise almost seem like guest stars. Worthy of note is that the trailer utilizes both music and special effects from TWOK itself. Also of note is that fans were introduced to William Shatner’s most amazing "KHAAAAANNNN!" line that will forever resonate throughout the universe. One of the better trailers of its day and still stands up as a great showcase for a great film.
Of note, there was no teaser trailer for TWOK, so this was all you got.
Note on UK trailer and online trailer
As previously reported, the new Star Trek movie trailer will premiere on November 14th in front of the new James Bond film, Quantum of Solace (in the US and Canada). Some British fans thought that the trailer would show up with that film when it opened in the UK last week, but that was not the case. TrekMovie has asked for the release date of the trailer in theaters outside the US and so far Paramount does not want to make any official announcements right now.
TrekMovie is also looking in to when the trailer will be made available online at the official site and other sites. Keep any eye for future ‘countdown’ articles for updates.
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All hail the single greatest TREK film ever.
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN
Computer graphics were wicked for the time. Pretty slick back in the day.
I think this and TVH trailers are my favorites.
Montalban was pretty big back then, wasn’t he?
Okay, exciting trailer, but a perfect example of why I hate them… They totally distort scenes to give an erroneous, fabricated impression. They edited a scene from the Kobayashi Maru simulation into the actual battle scenes that happen later in the movie.
This is THE film that got me really into Trek. Before that Star Trek was just a passing show to me that didn’t grab on and hold me like Trek 2 did. After that all was history.
Anyone see him in the Virginian? Awesome actor
#6 -
Wow. Nitpick much?
There were some really great TWOK tv commercials as well.
June 4th, I’m so there For this One. Looks a Hell of a lot more Exciting than Abrams Trek Movie.
Um, all we’ve seen of the movie are about 10 stills.
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
some random thoughts on wok:
why are all of kahns crew half his age? in the original episode. they were all about the same age! (it would have been hilarious to see a bunch of old fat bald guys standing behind kahn looking for some revenge)
doesnt it bother anyone how they reused special effects from the first film…that so tacky
i hate the way david has his sweater wrapped around his neck at the end of the film. like hes going to go off and play tennis once they defeat kahn
the more i watch wok, little stuff like that drives me nuts… i have more . i may get to writting it down, if u guys dont flame me too badly
Just a question, noticing the June date, is this new film the first summer Trek release that isn’t in June. I think Search for Spock and Final Frontier are the only two that were summer releases and I think both were June.
So why not something like June 5 or 12, to keep with tradition, plus May is way too jammed packed, with Transformers in late June and Harry Potter in mid July being the only big ones next summer that aren’t booked for May. But I shouldn’t say that, cause the sooner we see this, the better.
Plus, is it just me, or was June 1982 filled with sci-fi classics or what, there was Wrath of Khan, ET, Blade Runner and Tron (I think). Now, May 2009 seems to be packed, but I doubt that any, other than Trek of course, would be anywhere near that exciting.
But, even though this was a great trailer, remember all the good stuff we saw from Nemesis in the trailers/ what little ad campaign it had. So, don’t want to jinx it, but be warned.
uh oh!!!! Will the new trailer be attached to the release of Quantum of Solace here in Canada???
if not, KHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!!!
The Old Girl never looked better.
I still think that the scenes in space look real.
Can someone PLEASE explain to me, after all these years, why the HELL Kirk didn’t put the damned shields up when the Reliant raised its own? And then locked phasers? Or how about even before that, when the Reliant signaled that its comm system had failed but Spock busted them on that one? What freakin’ good is “yellow alert, energize defense fields”???? Is it an insult to raise shields when something is amiss? If the Reliant turned out to have had a “comm system” failure after all, would the Enterprise raising its shields have pissed them off or something? This has driven me crazy. Court martial offense!
At least we can explain Scotty’s otherwise inexcusable neglect in allowing Sybok to get past the shuttle bay in ST V to the fact that ST V was an abomination in a zillion other ways. But TWOK is the gold standard – no excuses allowed.
I am a big nerd.
Uh, people? Am I the one who was deeply disturbed by the use of “Star-Wars-laser-blaster” sound effects for the ship phasers? I kept expecting the Millenium Falcon to sweep in and lay waste to the Reliant.
“You’re all clear, Kirk! Now let’s blow this thing and go home!”
“AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRARRRRRRGRRRRRRRARRRRRRRGH!”
Is that Kevin Conway (Kahless) doing the voiceover?
#19:
“I kept expecting the Millenium Falcon to sweep in and lay waste to the Reliant. “You’re all clear, Kirk! Now let’s blow this thing and go home!””
(bwaahahahaha! Laughing my ever-lovin’ head off at that one)
Ah yes…whew…now that I’ve recovered…I did notice that too. I guess back then, instant, on-demand Internet multimedia was just a twinkle in some engineer’s eye, so they thought they could get away with a little blaster sound plagiarizing.
I know it is a nit, but I do have OCD…the ‘Commit’ light-up sign they show was for the Genesis device, not for firing phasers. But still, it’s not nearly as bad as that WoK movie poster where the Enterprise is blasting Spacelab Regula I. I still wonder how a rat got on-board the station undetected…
I remember the print ads:
Some where in space, a battle is about to begin.
Between a captain and madman,
A tyrant and a (I forget)
It was pretty cool!
This movie was so rude; I loved it, but in my personal opinion TMP was the best…
Admit it. You all friggin’ cried in the theater when Spock died. C’mon. You didn’t know there was going to be another Trek flick. It didn’t exactly work that way back then. And you also knew that Nimoy wanted out and that it took an act of Congress to get him in TWOK.
Spock. Was. Dead.
So you bawled your eyes out. Just like me.
And put your nits back in your hair. TWOK was a great flick. Still is.
So, with Paramount being tight-lipped about the international release of the trailer, does that mean it might not be attached to the Bond film in Australia when it opens next week? Damn, that is the primary reason I’m going to see it …
If it wheren’t for TWOK, I wouldn’t be into Trek.
To me that was the greatest flick of all time, still is. And I loved Kirstie Alley as Saavik.
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Nobody is perfect, Saavik.
#19 lol, Han Solo as Kirk:
Khan: Admiral!!
Han Solo: Uh, everything’s under control. Situation normal.
Khan: Time is a luxury you don’t have, Admiral
Han Solo: Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh… everything’s perfectly all right now. We’re fine. We’re all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
Khan: Hand over to me all data and material regarding the project called Genesis.
Han Solo: Uh, uh… negative, negative. We had a reactor leak here now. Give us a few minutes to lock it down. Large leak, very dangerous.
Khan: In my judgement, you simply have no alternative.
Han Solo: Uh… [Enterprise blasts Reliant] Boring conversation, anyway.
OBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMAAAAAA!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Happy!
About the “commit” mark. I always wondered why Khan’s crew hadn’t loaded up the Genesis tube into the torpedo launder.
So Khan activates the thing right, but why does it look like the transporter is trying to beam it off the ship? Was Khan just trying to set it off, or was he going to activate it , and then beam it on the Enterprise, or what?
#18 – Why didn’t Kirk raise the shields? Are you serious? That was one of the major points of the film, about dealing with Kirk’s flaws – Nicholas Meyer was very intent on that. It was his own arrogance that cost of the life of Scotty’s nephew (Peter Preston) – Even after Savvik had tried to speak out about “Genral Order 12″ Kirk chose to ignore it – although admitedly he did call for a yellow alert? hmmm….
About the shileds…Yes…If you noticed, the crewman at the weapons console is one of the cadets. Kirks gives the order to raise shields but the poor guy was probably not fast enough to carry the order. Put youself in his place:real situation in the bridge (no more simulations), working in the present of the senior officers (living legends by the way lol)…too much pressure for the poor guy!!!!
I have to say that TWOK is the one that got me into Star Trek. Long live Mr Meyers, Mr Horner and Mr-Who-ever-designed-Reliant!!!
Oh, by the way, congratulations to you people (I´m in UK) for giving Sisko a new asigment at the White House ;-)
If the new film is one-tenth as good as The Wrath of Khan, then it’ll be as good as most of the other Trek films ;)
Goodness me… what chance dose the new film stand, when it seems folks,sorry “fans”, still want to rip appart the old ones, least of all THE film that most people say was the best Trek film… please, take the nit picking and apply it else where.
#31 poor guy not fast enough, come on how hard can it be to push a button.
Regarding Mr-Who-ever-designed-Reliant!!! Thee is a funny story about that, people that designed Reliant, Joe Jennings and Mike Minor sent a blueprint to Harve Bennett in Israel. Harve mistakenly looked at blueprint opposite end and basically wrote thumbs up on opposite end of the Reliant blueprint. So when designers got blueprint back from Harve they were puzzled and had make some changes to it.
sry wok isnt one of the best st movies….
I suggest an exploration of the trailers for ‘Wrath of Khan,’ ‘Undiscovered Country,’ and ‘First Contact.’ Someone wrote some gorgeous copy for all of those voiceovers. In all the cases, it’s poetic and epic and really draws the viewer in.
But with TWOK it’s even more so. Paramount logo; bleak woodwinds; and then? The blackness of space underscores those abstract remarks about Khan and the starship captain he’s destined to destroy.
And THEN you learn it’s Star Trek — and look! — there’s Montalban. Suddenly the human adventure is no longer just beginning, but it’s getting somewhere.
But, for me, it gets boring about five seconds after we cut to the familiar scenes… it’s all about the blackness of space, the gorgeous voiceover, and that first glimpse of Khan.
#14 Rob – “doesnt it bother anyone how they reused special effects from the first film…that so tacky”
Yes! It has always bothered me. Tacky. Cheap. Insulting to TMP.
#24 THX-1138 — Oh, yeah, when Kirk and Spock are both touching the glass (plexi-glass, transparent aluminum, whatever), I got teary. I was shocked… like, white-as-a-sheet shocked, and I wondered how — How! — this could happen.
#18 Baroner – Why didn’t Kirk raise shields? Because it was “damn peculiar” that the Reliant was acting that way, and he probably didn’t want to escalate matters with a Federation ship before finding out what was going on. Raising shields is, strictly speaking, just a defensive maneuver. Still, in an actual military-type situation like that one, I agree probably most commanders would match defensive posture with defensive posture.
#12. Enterprise
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Hi Rob (14)
Some suggestions:
‘why are all of kahns crew half his age? in the original episode. they were all about the same age! (it would have been hilarious to see a bunch of old fat bald guys standing behind kahn looking for some revenge)’
Maybe, being genetically-engineered, their skin sloughed off after a certain point leaving a younger body and they had an extended lifespan. Khan could have been an earlier enhanced human who couldn’t do that!
‘doesnt it bother anyone how they reused special effects from the first film…that so tacky’
That wasn’t so unusual at the time. TWOK was very low-budget and needed the FX budget for the later battles. It’s pointless to apply 2008 CGI-era views of FX to a relatively cheap 1981 movie. And how many times did Roger Corman reuse the FX from Battle Beyond the Stars. The enemy vessel in that was still showing up in Emmannuelle in Space in the 1990s!
‘i hate the way david has his sweater wrapped around his neck at the end of the film. like hes going to go off and play tennis once they defeat kahn’
Nick Meyer remarks on this in the commentary and acknowledges it doesn’t work. It was part of his attempt to make Trek a little more believable. Why wouldn’t a civilian wear a swaeter round his shoulders? Haven’t you ever worn a sweater round your shoulders? ;)
‘the more i watch wok, little stuff like that drives me nuts… i have more . i may get to writting it down, if u guys dont flame me too badly’
Again, you can’t apply 2008 CGI, big budget movie era views to a low-budget film from quarter of a century ago.
Maybe for the Blu-ray they can enhance a few FX shots from the first half and improve the Regula 1 asteroid interiors, but these films are what they are. I also considerably prefer the limited usage of TMP FX footage to the dreary endless sequences in TMP itself.
End of the day, most of us deal with TWOK’s limitations because we have an imagination and don’t need to be force-fed everything! The theorising is part of the fun of things!
All Joking aside for the moment, “The Wrath of Khan” is one of those movies I can only watch like every 6 years or so, Because I’ve seen it Sooo many times. I don’t want to get so sick of it That it’s Mere Mention causes me to Cringe (Like Akira….that’s just me:/) I became an Instant…Uhg Trekker Because of it. Classic and Awesome…………I guess I’ll join in to the spirit of things………………………………but just this Once……………………………(Sigh)……..
KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!
KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!
I just love Ricardo Montalban in this movie, he was a proper equal to Kirk, Khan may have been genetically enhanced but Kirk still manages to defeat him…again. Not like Shinzon, the Khan wanna be in Nemesis, you always knew that Picard was smarter, older and wiser.
I love his delivery too, ” Buried alive….. buried alive…..” one of my favorite sound bites ever!!
@19: LOL! Love the Wookie roar as well!
@29: The Genesis Device was still on the transporter pad from when Khan et al beamed it up from the Genesis Cave. They hadn’t had time to move it, ‘cos they had a ship to run, and an Enterprise to find and blow up, and there was only about a dozen of them.
No, I always understood why it was on the transporter pad – a better question for me is *why hadn’t the damn thing fallen over?* Especially after the pasting that Reliant had received!
ST:II is by far and away the best ever Trek film. Brilliant villian, excellent character development, stunning tension, glorious action, tragedy and hope. Fantastic. However, I hope it gets unseated by ST:XI!
“Mr. Chekhov, lock blasters on target!” (:
I wonder: Does anyone know where the sound effect they used for the phasers in the trailer ORIGINALLY came from? – Of course it was made POPULAR by Star Wars as the blaster-firing sound but I think it was not specifically designed for SW… Maybe another WOTW-Effect like the torpedo sound in TOS (and some other “spacey” SFX)…?
PS: KHAAAAAAAAN!!!
#43 OH, of course it’s spelled “Chekov”, without the second h … sorry…
Khan was the first serious outing for CGI vfx too for ILM with the Genesis terraforming sequence.
If the new trailer isn’t with the Bond film here in the UK now, I can’t see them issuing a whole fresh batch of prints come 14th November here and other overseas theatres so I guess we’ll have to wait for another time to see it in theatres here. Would have been a great thrill and marketing opportunity for Paramount which has been lost, pity.
Hopefully Nick Meyer will do Star Trek XII ;)
33
“We can be against him and admire him all at the same time.” Kirk, Space Seed
TWOK is not a flawless film and shouldn’t be treated as a flawless film. It has a special place in Trek history to be sure, but that is no reason to give it sacred cow status.
Things that have bothered me since the beginning:
Chekov being surprised to find Khan. Chekov was the protege of Spock. IMO, there is no way he is fooled into thinking that Ceti Alpha V is Ceti Alpha VI. (The whole idea of one planet exploding, shifting another planet’s orbit, and that other planet fooling people is ludicrous as it is.) And certainly, the subject of Khan would have come up during briefing room sessions when the Ceti Alpha star system was selected for investigation for the Genesis test.
Khan knowing Chekov. This one has been beat to death elsewhere.
The lack of the superior intellect. The man who, after perusing the 1701’s tech manuals in Space Seed, was able to anticipate every anti-intruder measure possible and capture the 1701 but couldn’t figure out how to change the Reliant’s password? Could conquer and rule a quarter of the world but couldn’t figure out how to handle a little 3d combat?
And this is just for starters. I could go on and on, about the lack of starships in Federation space, the lack of security around such a potentially “dreadful weapon,” the age of Khan’s followers etc,
But it is a fun film to watch so that makes it OK I suppose…
As Kahn says to Chekov, you, I never forget a face, although Chekov was never in ST TOS episode space seed. Like Koenig says, I was probably in the bathroom during the episode. LOL
Although, it was my second favorite TOS Movie, behind ST III.
The sweater around the shoulders was an early 80’s thing, preppy look, it looks kind of silly, but it was a sign of the times. Like Shatners Hair, and if anyone read Shatners last book, Up till now.
At the end of Shatners book he writes, do I wear a toupee?
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Hi DOM
im not talking about cgi effects. im not the biggest fan of them myself sometmes (hell i love the old twilight zone show). i just find it strange how noone ever comments on the reused shots from st tmp,,,anyway this is tart trek for christ sakes. how bloody cheap could they have been? TMP was a huge sucess
i remember in generations they reused the klingon ship exploding from star trek 6 as well…i find that really shocking. but i guess most folks dont recognize them or care?
‘End’ of the universe?
Someone hasn’t been reading his Einstein.
And… nice cleavage in this movie.
Nichelle looks good, too.
I didn’t like TWOK too much. Good movie, not great. My love goes to TMP.
rob — we recognized both of them… but in the case of Khaaaaaaaaan, we were havin’ too much fun.
oh yeah , another thing…i hate the way uhura over acts in this film…like when she says: ‘Now what is that suposed to mean?’
its like her agent said to her “nichelle, baby… there is no such thing as a small part..only smal actors!, now when you say that line, i want to feel it!!’
30, 31, and others who’ve commented on the failure to raise shields:
The point we’ve all known about is the attempt to show Kirk’s humanity, imperfection, etc. But this should never have been done this way. The situation with Reliant was a simple, tactical problem that really took no thought or advanced intellect. Even a cadet would be more cautious. Indeed, going to “yellow alert” is inexplicable, as it seemed to be no different than raising shields, which is defensive (and would have only matched the Reliant’s move to raise it’s own shields). Not to mention, Spock busted the lie about the comm system failing. We spent years with TOS hearing about the unique, one-in-a-million makeup and psyche of the “starship captain,” and beyond that there’s Kirk, the most gifted of them all (Garth included). As imperfect as he is as a human, even accounting for being “rusty” as an Admiral, he wouldn’t bungle this obvious and simple tactical move.
I’ve always thought that this was another example of the script writers failing to do Kirk’s character justice (another example: in the ST VI battle scene at the end, we see Kirk doing very little aside from helplessly sitting in his command chair while the bird of prey pummels the Enterprise. Sure, it can fire while cloaked. But does that mean that the greatest tactical starship commander of all time would just sit there and look hopeless? Or would he try every trick in the book to try to get off a lucky shot? For example, how about bursting torpedoes and phaser fire the moment a torpedo is launched from the Bird of Prey, along a track that it might be traveling? Take a guess at least, Kirk. Come on! The most we hear Kirk doing in that scene is a millisecond bit where he says to Sulu, “evasive – Starboard!” Big freakin’ deal. The “real” Kirk would’ve been lightin’ that shit up, launching shuttles to add to the phaser coverage, energizing the surrounding space with the deflector grid, ejecting talcum powder through the air vents in the hope some of it would stick to the invisible Brid of Prey, etc.).
Honestly TWoK was a disgrace to Star Trek. IMO.
Too many plot holes. For example, the genesis planet. The device exploded in a Nebula. Then boom we have a Planet & SUN!? Where did the sun come from?
This film is full of bad acting, attempting to be like star wars, and just bad writing.
This is the only film I do not own.
I guess I always looked at the Reliant-Enterprise encounter, and Kirk’s lack of taking a stronger defensive posture, from the standpoint of ‘What if this happened today between two American cruisers in the Pacific?’ A ship is summoned to a remote island where a top-secret defense project is going on but from where only garbled radio signals have been heard in recent days. As the American ship approaches, it encounters one of its sister ships on the high seas, also apparently having difficulty with its communication systems. Would the first ship’s captain sound general quarters? Somehow I doubt it. So Khan getting the jump on Kirk in that first encounter doesn’t bother me all that much….
Yes, there are a ton of plot holes?
Why would any starship have a radio reciever tied to its shield controls. “Hooo-hooo-hooo, betcha can’t guess my super-tough seven-digit prefix code.”
Why would a starship (which uses matter-anti-matter) have nuclear reactors? / Why wouldn’t one of Scotty’s staff, who’s wearing a full anti-radiation suit, simply be the one to go in and play with the dampening rods?
Point is, that the movie flies along so fast and the emotions run so high (with or without sense to them) that it’s a fun movie.
@55: Agree with you about the shields in ST:II – Kirk surely would not be that dumb, especially after Spock proved that their comm system was working perfectly. That would have definitely been a ‘yellow alert, shields up’ moment.
I see what you mean about ST:VI – perhaps not just firing wildly all over the place, though. He wouldn’t want a stray photon torpedo to enter Khitomer’s atmosphere, for example. That could have brought the peace conference to a rather abrupt end! And of course Chang was probably bopping around all over the place and firing from different places as to not give away his position.
Scanning for the infamous ‘neutron surge’ which gave away the Bird-of-Prey’s position when they fired on Kronos 1 would have been a start, though. And at least accelerating to half impulse and bopping around a bit, as moving targets are more difficult to hit.
Perhaps even more bleedin’ obvious – given that Chang was providing a delightful tannoy monologue (which was being broadcast in the torpedo room as well – why?), given the position of the Enterprise and strength of Chang’s transmission, would it not be possible to calculate at least an estimate of the Bird-of-Prey’s position? And then, of course, fire talcum powder through the bussard collectors to find the ship? ;-)
However, despite the pedantism, which is all in good fun, ST:II and ST:VI are, IMO, the best 2 Trek films.
Keep up the Trailer Countdown. I love trailers!
The trailer feature is great, keep them coming
Love that narrator, he did a lot in the 80’s
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KHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#56
“This is the only film I do not own.”
So I take it you actually place ST:V ahead of this film? o…..m…..g
#1. I agree!
#14. Good question. I always figured they were 2nd-generation genetic Uebermenschen — i.e., the children of the sleepers who wake in the original epsiode. And I figured most of those 1st gen died along with Khan’s dipstick wife, leaving just the younger stufmuffins.
#64. Of course I meant “studmuffins.” “Stufmuffins,” I suppose, would be “studmuffins” after gorging themselves on Thanksgiving.
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ok good answer!
maybe those sand ear mite creatures killed them. :)
I actually like TMP better than The Wrath of Khan, but that’s just me. I like cerebral films better than action movies. And TWK is also a masterpiece.
You know, there are many problems with TWOK that bother me. The torpedo thing (being a coffin) is the main one (actually that one bothered me since I first saw the movie). But then Saavik not being very Vulcan (no arched eyebrows?), the stupid nautical uniforms, the reused effects from TMP, the rat in Regula I, why bugs in someone’s ear can leave the person susceptible to suggestions, the Enterprise reactor room (now that is a cheap set) and so on, all of that bother the hell out of me.
I used to love Nicholas Meyer in the 80s, and I still think he is a good director and a great screenwriter, but he knows nothing about Star Trek, or science fiction in general. Most of his visual choices for the movie are bad, like, why does the Enterprise interiors need to be so dark? The thing has a warp drive but still they need to save energy? Then those stupid naval uniform (probably they spend all the energy they save dimming the lights with the cooling system…). He can think those things are cool, but they just don’t look realistic to me.
TMP, with all screenplay problems it can have is still a better movie and I like it more each time I watch it. Besides, TMP has aged a lot better than TWOK. In fact it’s funny that sets build exclusively for TWOK (the two or so of them) are the ones that aged the worst, like the Regula I lab.
It isn’t that I don’t like the movie, it is just that I used to like it more.
That is some list of problems you’ve got there!
The “Kleetures… in our bo-deez”… they wrap around the cerebral cortex, remember?
Some cheap looking sets, sure. Things age and not everything ages well.
Strange, some of your nit-pickings are about things which are no more “fantastical” or unbelievable than any of the other elements in Trek.
Why don’t people slam against the walls when the ship goes into warp speed? How can people’s molecules be sepatated and then re-assembled? etc etc etc
Come on now.
The Wrath of Khan is a gripping nautical tale of revenge, set in the future! To be honest I think it’s been VERY over-hyped over the years. For all its flaws, ST TMP contained alot of exploration, the birth of a new life form, comments on the human condition/evolution etc – proper sci-fi…
ST II was just an action movie at the end of the day, and started the trend of bloodying up the Star Trek universe, which it was never about before. Notice the two most bloody Star Trek films just happen to be directer by Meyer. Even Mr Nimoy says in his book “I Am Spock” Meyer likes blood a little too much, and went overboard with it in ST VI.
I’m glad Abrams has said the new film will embody an optimistic stance like the series of old. I think we’ve had enough doom and gloom in films – suddenly Batman and Bond are now gritty and realistic and humour and FUN seem to have taken a back seat. Here’s hoping Trek opts to return to its optimistic roots as Abrams is claiming.
- J
Oh, and also:
“…but [Nic Meyer] knows nothing about Star Trek, or science fiction in general.”
For someone who who knows “nothing about Star Trek or science fiction in general,” I’d say he did one HELL of a job. The man played an integral role in saving Trek from extinction as a movie franchise.
@67: I actually like the ST:II-ST:VI uniforms – IMO, they’re the best uniforms from any period of Trek. They actually look semi-militaristic, whereas all the other uniforms from other Trek periods look a little pyjama-like to me, especially TMP.
They quite clearly show rank (on the sleeves and on the shoulderstrap – different ranks have different insignia) and department (on the colour of the undershirt), but also have a consistent look. The ‘naval’ references are also more in keeping, as Trek has traditionally been synonomous with the Navy:
- closed-set bridges to feel like submarines
- periscopes being used on Klingon Birds-of-Prey
- concept of Admirals rather than Generals or Air Marshals
- concept of ’ships’ rather than flight craft, e.g. Star Wars
Didn’t Gene Roddenberry serve in the Navy?
I do agree with you about the Enterprise being so dark, though – I think it was done deliberately for effect, but some times you do kind of wonder what the hell’s going on, ‘cos you can’t really see it. And when you see it from the outside, most of the windows have lights on inside!
#67: Think “willing suspension of disbelief.”
However, here are some thoughts:
Although it was not “canon,” Saavik was supposed to be half-Romulan. In fact, in a deleted scene on the Director’s Edition, Spock makes reference to that fact. Could explain the eyebrows, or maybe Kirstie Alley didn’t want to shave them off. Uniforms – all I can say is they wanted a new look. The rat, the bugs (not really bugs, but more like miniature crawfish) – so the writers needed plot devices. Ya gonna shoot ‘em for that? The sets had to be reused from ST:TMP for budget reasons (it was an $11 million movie IIRC – ST:TMP was $44 million). And conserving energy is a must on a starship – the matter/anti-matter reactor powers not only the warp drive but the entire ship, and the matter is deuterium (which they can’t just manufacture – they either scoop miniscule amounts of it from space or refuel from a tanker). So, also, is the anti-matter supply limited. They can’t just make that stuff out of thin air. (Have you never played a Trek RPG before? :-) )
Enjoy it for what it is, or don’t. No skin off mine. But nitpicking is an illogical waste of time.
You know, I can’t remember the last time I sat down to watch Wrath of Khan … which means it’s been far too long.
I like how the trailer hones in on Khan so well. It focuses far more on him then on the Enterprise or its crew. Interesting!
that dude who says that TWOK is the worst of the movies and that he owns them all except that one – has got to be a troll.
the women!!!
=h=
Just to point out Nick Meyer who directed ST 6, the Enterprise set was oh so bright and cheery. So why it was so dark was probably because it was also that was in the first movie.
Anybody know if the trailer will be in front of prints of Quantum of Solace for midnight shows on the 13th????
Seriously, what an awesome movie! Just watching the trailer gave me goosbumps and makes me want to watch it again.
Oh, I refuse to join this whole “bashing on TWOK”-thing that seems to be going on at the moment, because the whole point about TWOK is that it’s a CULT-classic! – It’s no “Citizen Kane” whatsoever, it MIGHT not even be the best Trek movie concerning “trekkiness” and “SciFi-credibility” (concerning those, I’d even say TMP has done a far better job…) but it’s a helluva entertaining movie and just has those unique and very very trek-y moments that stick to your memory.
Concerning the much berated plot-devices – uh, well, come on – it really could have been far worse (think of Generations which really relied solely on one big, but LAME plot-device – the whole Nexus-thing and it’s function in the movie really bothered the HELL out of me!). Generic plot-devices nearly always fill plot holes while creating others at the same time.
And another issue: the lack of credibility of super-intelligent, superior ueber-Khan being unexperienced in “3d-Combat” – hey, that’s just where the SciFi really kicks in! Making that a crucial plot element was really not that bad. Oh and the re-used TMP-shots and -sets: Oh, well, what’s so bad about them? – they’re really not as bothersome as the re-used Bird Of Prey-explosion in Generations (Even when it was shown in TUC I really disliked the effect – it’s just too apparent that the model was mounted on some stand – an explosion in Space surely would look quite different, I think.)
Here are two spots that I absolutely love!
“A scientist discovered it. A madman stole it. An Admiral pursued it. They all wanted it. Now, none can escape it.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PfCm7xwnUE
TIME FOR A REMAKE!
buried alive… buried aliiiive…
I’m actually glad I didn’t see this trailer prior to seeing it in the theatre. There are a number of effects spoilers in this trailer that would have reduce the impact of seeing them for the first time in-context.
Specifically, I’m speaking of the first time we see the Reliant fire phasers on the Enterprise. That first shot (and the subsequent few) were simply spectacular (and shocking) because we had never seen the Big E get any real damage before this.
In TOS, damage was always internalized with smoke, small bits of debris, camera angle (e.g., the Enterprise tilted up or down at 45 deg), and lots of (inexpensive) camera shake.
However, I can appreciate how they wanted to amp up the eye candy to get people into the theatre…
TWOK is one of the best movies, Trek or otherwise!
#82
“…we had never seen the Big E get any real damage before this.”
I remember being utterly blown away – just floored seeing this in theaters too. I did not see the trailer, so when I watched the massive assault go down during the film, I was flipping out, just stunned at how insanely kick-ass that was! Finally, some realistic looking battle damage being inflicted in Trek!! Someone could really DIE!!
And they did.
Okay so fire needs oxygen to exist but still, that evil phaser assult on Big E was so cool it didn’t matter.
#83
Yes, no doubt. There are always haters but to me, to you and many others out there, this is the pinnacle of sci-fi and Trek combined.
IMO only Empire beats it by a notch or two.
Long live Wrath of Khan
Again, especially for pure drama and action, BY FAR the best of any of the ST movies. STMP DOES NOT even come close!!! I LOVED the uniforms in this movie and to me they the come closest to matching the unifmorms of the original series (note the flak jackets worn by Kirk and landing party) — we have not see flak jackets since the Cage/Menagerie. Clearly Nick Meyer did some homework on STOS. In truth I did not expect to STII to bowl me over, since STTMP was such an UBER-BORE. Hopefully STXI can come close to matching the standard that was established by SII.
Ah the best trek movie of all time. Also the most watched movie by me of any movie i have ever seen at the theater. I seen it 11 times at the movie theater. From opening day till the last time it showed at the theater. I was the only one there on the last showing.Jamed Packed on Opening Night. This had it all. Action and suspense and drama and good ship battles with phasers and photon torpedoes. Khan was a very bad and yet courages and in some ways Honerable villian. I loved the Music score and i loved seeing the Big E get into it with another Star ship. The trailers that were shown said this is a must see. Not just for Trek Fans but for everyone to see. If J.J. Abrams trek can be as half as good as Trek 2 then we are all in for a treat.
Why won’t Paramount let us Brits and the rest of the world know when the trailers coming out. I can’t bear anymore
Paraaaaaaaaaaaammmmooooooooooooouuuuunnnnt
Second favorite Trek film…gotta go with Trek 6 as my fav.
Definitely my favourite Trek movie, which means it may be my favourite movie ever. I’ve not seen it for over a year now, but I really ought to watch it again.
Yes, plot holes you could sail the Enterprise through, but the film was about Kirk’s humanity, he made a huge mistake with the shields and he was so concerned with getting old he was *becoming* old. It was like he’d lost his self belief, and the whole point of the film was that he believed in himself again.
This was in the mold of all the ‘Hero gets a pasting’ stories, and with Trek, the hero is also the ship so seen as a three film arc, this sets ups the middle and the last acts perfectly. I thought the last 5 minutes sucked big time though, as they had to try to ‘wrap up’ the film for the audience when what should have happened was the “I feel young” part shouldn’t have been there. He was beaten, he’d lost (and through his own negligence killed) his best friend and his own actions had cost the lives of many people.
He eventually gained redemption through III and IV by sacrificing the ship and by saving the planet, and Kirk’s arc is so closely tied to the ship, but at the end of TWoK he’d totally messed up and just scraped through so I thought the line was totally out of place.
Stuff whether or not they had jumpers over their shoulders, this film was amazing and brave and changed the Kirk and Spock characters fundamentally. 11/10 if you ask me… (and you didn’t)…
This was a great movie. Yes it may have had some plot holes but all movies do. This was about passion of a mad man in Khan. Seeking revenge on Kirk for leaving him on Ceti Alpha 5 and for the Death of his Wife Marla Magiver and the death of 20 of his people to the Ceti eels. it was about his passion to rule and about his passion on avenging his wifes death at the hands of Kirk and thats how he saw it.It was about Kirk getting old and him going through a midlife Crises and him not being in command of the Big E. The action was great. The drama was great and the Story was fantastic.As i look back on the movie and the Rumers that were out that Spock Dies and then Seeing him Die in the Simulater was a stroke of Genious as it made everyone relax about the death of spock and then to shock all of us when he died Saviong the Ship. (The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the Few.)Yes. Some Plot hole. But Who Cares. The Best and greatest Trek MOvie and a great movie over all.
#91
“Rumors that were out that Spock Dies and then Seeing him Die in the Simulater was a stroke of Genious as it made everyone relax about the death of spock and then to shock all of us when he died Saviong the Ship.”
Yes, absolutely a stroke of BRILLIANCE on the part of Meyer and his team. If other filmmakers were even half that clever – - ! Wow
Tricked a sheetload of people. Just brilliant.
43. KHAN, the Weasel: As I understand it, all of the sound effects for SW were created from scratch by Ben Burt. They didn’t use stock or synthesized effects. It doesn’t surprise me to hear them re-used by ILM for the WOK trailer, something that was put together probably before all of the effects were finished, including post-production stuff like sound.
I went to see Quantum of Solace today, and yes it sucks that there was no trailer, but the movie was awesome. What you see is what you get. So it’s definitely worth ponying your money up to see the movie, even without the trailer. Top popcorn flick and Bond is darker than ever, no mercy.
After going through most of the posts, I’ll address a few points with my two cents:
the reused shots from TMP are pretty much limited to the departure from spacedock (which would follow a standard procedure, so why not do it the same way?) and the shot of the bridge at the end. Why reshoot these? The bulk of the effects budget is clearly in the ILM battle footage, where it should be. Remember, Bennett and Meyer were working with a much smaller budget.
The whole “yellow alert” issue: I’m sure that if it played out in real-time on a real ship, it would have moved a lot faster. The fact that each event happens (”They’re shields are going up.” “They’re locking phasers.” “Raise shields.” “Fire!”) is obviously for dramatic effect, to build tension. Is Kirk going to pull the rabbit out of his hat in time? And this time, he gets caught. Sets up a great action moment, and gives us a good moment in the character arc for this story.
Who says Vulcan’s eyebrows are all the same?
WOK is a combination of “Moby Dick” and any good submarine/U-boat WWII story. So it naturally has a nautical feel. Roddenberry himself compared Jim Kirk to Horatio Hornblower, so why not?
Let me give a US Navy point of view to the “raise shields” debate.
Raising shields is part of RED Alert / going to battle stations.
If 2 US Navy ships met each other at sea, and 1 ship failed to answer hails due to comm problems, I cannot even fathom calling my ship to general quarters. It would be very embarrassing to do something like that. The OOD that did that would look like the biggest coward in the fleet. Even if the other US ship loaded a missile on the rail and pointed it my ship, I would assume they must be doing maintenance testing.
Just like no US ship has ever been captured and turned against the US Navy, I am sure that Reliant was the first Star Fleet ship to have this happen.
Kirk reacted normally with established protocols. There is no way to foresee a sucker punch when your guard is down. USS Stark is a good example of that.
LCDR Arch , US Navy
That was very insightful… thanks LCDR
LCDR i was also in the navy and was stationed on the U.S.S Ingersoll DD990 it was a Sprunce class Destroyer and this realy happened. We were in the singapore Straits in june of 1992 and we were doing 25 knots in a 10 knot zone.(yes we were going to fast)Well we had spoted a Pakistany small ship. Smailler then a U.S Destroyer and the OOd kept Assuming that the other ship would turn and well they did not and we turned about 25 seconds before we ended up hitting them and having a 60foot gash below the water line and a 100foot gash above the water line. It was not till we Colided that GQ was even sounded. So Mistakes do happen even in times of peace. I think Kirk made a minor mistake in not at least haveing the shilds on hot standby just like our OOD did not take action sooner and or get the Capt up there on the Bridge.By the way we Drydocked in singapore for 3 months at a cost of about a Billion Dollars to the Govt. We were in the wrong. But i was in my rack when it happened. So in peace if your not carefull things can happen. But Kirk Should have been a little more alert. But he did what he always does. Turned Death into a fighting chance to live.
“…But he did what he always does. Turned Death into a fighting chance to live.”
You guys kill me! You are the best, love reading this stuff
#94 … You in the UK, I assume? QoS debuts here in the US on 11/14, and I have no doubt it will carry the trailer before it. I can’t wait to go see it.
This movie was made by the TV arm of Paramount and cost less than 10 million to make. A few reused scenes and sets saved a ton of money and allowed the film to be made. In three days the studio made back all their money. They were happy and so was the movie going public. I stood in line for six hours and didn’y mind it a bit just so I could be in the first group to see the film. Its a great movie not just for a scifi-film but just as a movie. There are some minor editing problems but not enough to alarm the viewer. James Horner’s score is still one of his best and the movie does one thing that a great many newer films don’t do….it entertains.
What do you all think of THIS:
They should re-release this one “remastered” on the Big Screen!
ooohh… it gives me chills just thinking of it!
Holy crap. Thats way better than i had expected. I was only 3 when STII came out so i never saw this. A darn good trailer though. Definately more in line with modern trailers than ST:TMP trailer. Anybody else catch the Star Wars blaster sound in there? I would love for all the Treks to be remastered and rereleased in theaters. I’d go see them all for sure, and i suspect many others would as well.
Thanks for sharing the story CAPT Mike!
Of course the reason GQ gets sounded is to close water tight doors after damage to a ship. Kirk’s Enterprise needed to do the same thing after getting hit by reliants first strike.
Which reminds me.. have you ever wondered why those big “water tight doors” in engineering come down and cut the blue warp drive shaft in half? Does not make much sense does it?
#56: A nebula, or many at least, is made up of hydrogen, dust, and other various gases and plasma. It’s the first stage in a stars life, so it stands to reason that a star could be born as a result of the genesis device, as well as a planet from the dust, and a little fictional magic.
#104. LCDR Arch. I think it’s to keep the Radition out as the coolant is usualy leaking. As we have seen on Tng Georidi would be telling the bridge that we have a coolant leak and the doors would close. If you want to look up what Happened to my ship and see some pics. Google USS Ingersoll DD990 and you should have no problem finding some pics on there of the ingersoll.
My only problem with this film is that Khan dies before seeing the Enterprise warp to safety. We should have been allowed to see his reaction. He would have known that he failed to kill Kirk.
For all Khan knows when he dies, he has destroyed the Enterprise. We didn´t need to see him dies since the explsion would have killed him anyway.
I assume everyone has seen this extremely early promo trailer (basically a cobbled together colection of scenes) for Wrath of Khan which contains several missing scenes:
It includes what’s obviously an alternate take of Saavik’s opening voice over, and the scene in which Kirk and Spock discuss her half-Romulan heritage. Terrible picture quality, ‘fascinating’ content.
Link here, sorry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od4BjWW5jTw
Hi Javier, re:
“Oh, by the way, congratulations to you people
(I´m in UK) for giving Sisko a new asigment at the White House ;-)”
We actually elected Tuvok, but thanks for the compliment anyway.
They reused SFX shots out of financial necessity – Paramount was all-but ready to shelve the franchise after the TMP debacle. After some convincing, they gave Bennett a shoestring budget and told him to go do it. They economized on FX, sets (Reliant bridge was a redress of the Enterprise bridge, the Regula station was a reuse of the Earth/Starfleet HQ station, the drydock scene, the Klingon battle scene), and produced it through the TV division of Paramount. This was Trek’s last shot, and despite its success, Paramount never trusted the Trek franchise to *really* bankroll it the way so many had hoped/wanted, argably until this very day.
The TMP budget was somewhere between $40-$50 million, which was an unheard of amount in 1979 – and much of that budget was charged with the costs associated with the aborted TV series. Trek II’s budget was more like $19 million. The “Making of ST II:TWOK” book details more of the economizing.
#107. “My only problem with this film is that Khan dies before seeing the Enterprise warp to safety.”
I can see how some people would think that, but let’s put things into a much bigger perspective, if you would spare me a couple of minutes.. Khan wasn’t really a bad guy when things started out. As the discussion went in Space Seed:
Scotty: There were no massacres under his rule.
Spock: And very little freedom.
McCoy: No war until he was attacked.
Spock: Gentlemen!
*laughs*
Kirk: Mr. Spock, you misunderstand us. We can be against him and respect him all at the same time.
Spock: Illogical.
Kirk: Totally.
Thus instead of putting Khan and all his followers in jail when their attempt to seize the Enterprise failed, Kirk allowed Khan and his followers to fulfill their original desire to rule a world and build an empire. What would happen over the course of 15 years isn’t all that known. Who knows what really happened when things changed on Ceti Alpha Five. Khan probably transformed into a completely different person where all his remaining senses of good and compassion were now completely gone. He lost his wife and several of his followers to an organism that was probably their only source of food and struggled intensely on Ceti Alpha Five in order to keep him and his followers alive in circumstances that can only be described as sheer hell. You might say that Khan was hoping Kirk would rescue them, but over time combined with everything that happened, his madness took complete control.
So knowing that, when I watch Khan on his last breath fully convinced that he has beaten Kirk, the man who left him on that doomed planet, it was probably the first ever sensation of peace and satisfaction Khan has ever felt in 15 years since the exile went wrong. And while his acts were undoubtably criminal and murderous, I think he at least deserves the chance to rest in peace.
Did Khan have a baby son in Star Trek II??
are these pics genuine lost footage??
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=34153&highlight=khan
man those pics of the kid on the transporter next to the just about to detonate Genesis device are quite creepy…like something out of a David Cronenberg film…
Ummmm…..okay…
How about a piece of Reliant shrapnel went throuh Khan’s skull about .2 seconds after detonation?
That’s philosophical enough for me.
110.
How come Uhura never mentioned Obama?
What is this moral equivalence day? Khan was a bad guy, he deserved to rot in hell for what he did on Earth before his banishment and his takeover of the Enterprise, and his attempt at murdering the entire crew of the Enterprise by blowing it to bits.
#113 – The novelization discusses how Terrell and Chekov found a child at the Ceti encampment, and how the crying was making them nuts.
If you watch the film at that point, just as Chekov realizes whom they’ve found and tries to usher Terrell out, Terrell says “What about the cargo?” If you watch his mouth, he really is saying “What about the child..”
Has anyone ever stopped to wonder why James T. Kirk exiled 20th century refugees, refugees from a historically intriguing time, to an uninhabited planet?
He assumed that all of the men and women wanted to go.
He deprived the Federation of access to a living time capsule from one of the most troubling times in Earth history
I mean, how absolutely stupid is that?
Great film, but Kirk should’ve been fired.
#111
Star Trek: The Motion Picture did cost $44 million but unfairly includes the costs of development of the unfinished Star Trek: Phase II TV series. Much of the TV series elements were not used for the film itself. Only $26 million was spent on TMP. Most sources place TMP budget at $35 million when including the cost of the usable elements of Phase II.
I think calling TMP the most successful Trek movie at the box office and 2nd most popular movie in 1979 ,,debacle,, is ludicrous today.
I envy all u who saw each film on opening day- i missed all the original Star Trek movies I-VI in the cinema- my home town didnt have one so my first trek was generations.
i love Wrath of Khan – it had more going on than the action/battle scenes they lose their impact after a few screenings but i find the emotional scenes, themes and sci-fi ideas last through repeated viewings.
so while i agree that Star Trek II, IV, VI & VIII are better its I, V, VII & IX that i watch more often- the others i just watch the battle scenes & occasionaly i just watch the saucer crash from generations along with all the other battle scenes.
and just to show my Trek geek-ness i usually have the appropriate Enterprise model sitting on top of the TV during such screenings
TWOk is my no. 2 Star Trek movie. The trailer is good – could hold up even today.
But even TWOK had some flaws, because of the very low budget (I ask myself what will happen to the next Star Trek movie (if there’s one) when XI should fail?). The re-use of the TMP-effects bother me allways I see them again. But that do no damage to the superb acting and the magnificent executed directing. It’s still a great peace of fun to watch it again.
If TWOK will see some day the Blue Ray treatment, I hope, Paramount give Nicolas Meyer the chance, to exchange the Starship-Effects from the first half of the movie, the Genesis-Transformation and the genesis-hole. If it’s done with great care (like in TMP-DE) there should be no damage to the movie itself.
BTW:
Where came the sun from, after the Genesis-Transformation? Very simple. It allways was there. Where should have come all the light from, that lighting the two starships, so we can see them?
Why every superhuman is younger than Khan? Perhaps they where frozen children from the Botany Bay, not shown in Space Seed, or they where genetically altered to age slower than Khan. Perhaps he was the 2.0 version and Joaquim and his gang the 3.0?
First I thought about that remarkable fact, I came up with the idea, that the young superhumans could be allready the Ceti Alpha-Generation, but they seem a bit too old for that… except they age much faster, like the Star Wars-Clonetroopers (that would fit with some suggestions I read somwhere – was it the novelisation? – that Joaquim was Khan’s son. It could also fit with Khan itself. If he was around 30 or 40 when he lost the throne of his empire in the late 90’s, he had to be born in the 50’s or 60’s, a bit too early for genetic experiments. But if he was created in the 70’s or 80’s, aging much faster than normal humans (and after he became an adult, slower again), that theory could work.
Beside that: TWOK is an great movie and should never be remaked. Refresh the SFX if it’s worth, but don’t redo everything. Nearly every remake can’t hold up with the original.
I love this movie. I can’t wait to see it in Blu-Ray.
#56; Too many plot holes. For example, the genesis planet. The device exploded in a Nebula. Then boom we have a Planet & SUN!? Where did the sun come from?
Yeep the Biggest mistake in Trek movie histroy was the Genesis planet. Project Genesis clearly wasent design to create a sun or entire planet but rather rapidly terraforming on a lifeless earth-sise moon or planet to make them habitable biosphere suitable for transplanting life forms.
#100 Yep in the UK. I wonder how long it will be before they release it online. I’m presuming youtube 3gp versions will end up on the net, but I want to see the official HD. I’m presuming it will be the following week, so that die hard trekkies go to watch the movie opening weekend. It’s worth going to see. This year has been about 2 films for me, Rambo and Bond, and neither disappointed!
I just want finish that i do like TWOK despite it problems. It is overall a very good Trek movie personally i think it was a unfortunate not having science adviser in TWOK like in TMP. I think having f.e.Isaac Asimov to assist Nick Meyer could have eliminated many sci-fi plot-holes in TWOK and make it a better film.
Buried alive… buried aliiiiiiiiiiive…
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
There is no disputing that TWOK is up there with the best Star Trek movies. And I think we’ll all agree a vast improvement on TMP as far as the Uniforms go!
Lord, I honestly wonder how some of you nitpickers enjoy ANYTHING in life.
“Uh, people? Am I the one who was deeply disturbed by the use of “Star-Wars-laser-blaster” sound effects for the ship phasers? “
…Yeah, you were. Deal with it.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the books by Greg Cox, covering the life of Khan. They’re extremely well-executed, and they account for pretty much every plot question and fact-check anyone can think of.
Plus, it has The Equalizer, Gary Seven, Roberta Lincoln, The Bionic Woman, and a few other lovely surprises.
127: I respectfully disagree. Why does Star Fleet dress people like captain Nemo? Why so much clothing, doesn’t the ship have enough heating? Besides the STII uniforms are just too different of all the other ST uniforms, while the TMP uniforms follow the same philosophy of the TOS uniforms, though with less vibrant colors. I never thought the ST uniforms were supposed to look good, instead they are supposed to look futuristic and comfortable.
#20- actually, the voiceover sounds like Jason Robards to me
#132
Definitely not Robards.
#123, that always confused me too. Originally I had assumed there was already a planet there, which got caught in the Genesis wave, and was terraformed.
Seems like the STII trailers are no longer on YouTube.
Hmm. Come to think of it … it seems that a LOT of Star Trek videos are no longer available on YouTube. Did Paramount decide to get all this stuff removed?
Again, time sure passes by quickly. I remember seeing this when it opened June 4th and was so exited to hear Alexander Courage’s theme in the opening.
Thanks for posting these–good memories
The article says:
“Worthy of note is that the trailer utilizes both music and special effects from TWOK itself. ”
So I have a question- can anybody answer it. Does that mean that trailers don’t usually use special effects from the movie? I thought they always did use effects and scenes from the movie. Does this mean the trailer coming out next week will have effects that are not in the upcoming movie? That doesn’t make sense to me.
#22 Rolando- I believe the word you are searching for is “warrior.” I think it was “between a madman and a warrior.”
138:
It’s common for traIlers to “borrow” music from other films, and even SFX shots in the case of Trek.
Even the TNG pre-series previews “borrowed” shots from cinematic Trek. as filler. Cheap and well done.
Often, the movie is still in post-production when the trailer is released. Schedules do not always concide, it seems.
96 to 98, etc: I am so glad to hear the Navy analogy. I think it’s flawed, but a damned good comparison. Here’s why I think it’s off:
The Enterprise/Reliant encounter was nothing like two US Navy ships encountering each other with comm problems, as LCDR Arch posits. The Enterprise was responding to a distress call (and quite a distressing one at that, considering the sensitivity of the Genesis project); a federation research vessel was unaccounted for; and the Reliant was last known to be in the Grissom’s sector. The Reliant then appraches to close quarters without any effort at signaling (of which I’m sure there could be many, if you want to be creative). Then it lies about a comm system failure. Then, they raise their shields. Still no meaningful action from Kirk. I don’t see this an being analagous to any situation that any Navy ships of today could ever be in. Assuming the situation could occur today, though, and a US ship was approached by another under similarly strange circumstances, AND then targeting radar on that ship lit up and locked on to your own, wouldn’t you take some evasive action???? And if doing so entailed something as simple as pushing a button and raising shields (as opposed to calling a crew of 125 to 350, depending on your ship, to GQ), why not do it?
Just an opinion from an Army guy. What they hell do I know? Here’s something: Navy CO’s are routinely relieved of duty for running aground, or colliding with another ship, even if its under reasonable and explicable circumstances. How about failing to protect your ship? Sorry Kirk, you’re toast. Better hire that hot-ass blonde to defend you, assuming she got wise and left the Starfleet JAG Corps for a better-paying private practice by the time of TWOK. She’s probably still feeling so guilty about court-martialing you the first time that she’ll do it pro bono. Come to think of it, Kirk put the “bone” in “pro bono.”
Sure there’s lots more plot holes to pick at, but this is the only one I ever really cared about. I loved the movie so much that I let the rest go. When it comes to mortalizing Kirk, though, I get pissed off. We’re all mortal – don’t we get to fantasize about an immortal once in a while? If the Star Wars fans do, so should we.
I’ve never seen the trailer before. I have an urge to watch the movie again now! Let’s hope the new Trek movie does for Trek what this movie did!
I wish they would have include dthe “Khan baby” scenes and other cut material as DVD extras.
Despite the nitpicking going on, TWOK is most certainly the most popular Star Trek feature film, and rightfully so. It has all of the elements of good movie, IMO, Star Trek or otherwise.
I don’t know when this trailer hit the bricks, but I saw the 3 minute reel that Susan Sackett carried to St. Louis the last week of April in 1982 that only had effects shots of the Enterprise (no reliant) and used TOS music that included almost every seen that ultimately ended up in this trailer.
It began with a VO of Shatner saying, “This is William Shatner, we’d like to show you some scenes from a movie we’re all proud of” and ended with “We need warp drive in 3 minutes or we are all dead” and the Enterprise flying away to ‘end of the episode music from TOS.
I will always consider this the _real_ trailer for Star Trek II . . .it was like being a kid in a candy store.
Re: #139-
So I’m a bit confused. When we all watch the trailer for the upcoming movie, none of the special effects may be in the movie? It’s not a preview, but a false view?
As far as where the planet and sun came from I always assumed that it was the moon that they high-tailed from into the nebula. And unless it was somehow just floating in space I would also assume it was in orbit of a sun that was just not shown in any wide shots. Based on how far the Genesis effect spread out even if the moon were a ways away it would have been effected.
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Even the TNG movie trailers used music and shots from other Trek films and even TV. The First Contact trailer has shots from Best of Both Worlds, The Emmisary, All Good Things, and something from Voyager. And music from TMP, Khan, and TNG
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As I recall First Contact even used the old Enterprise in it’s trailer. That was a real head scratcher when I saw that since we all knew it was destroyed in the previous movie. Obviously the new model was not ready for the trailer either!!!
The planet was most likely a terraformed Regula I. That would mean there would have to be a star for it to orbit. C’mon people, it’s not that hard :-)
A huge disappointment after the previous film. Whilst TMP may have had problematic pacing and limited characterisation, this film dispenses with any attempt at philosophical ideas and turns Star Trek into a space shoot-up, albeit one with a few more literary allusions than normal.
Whilst a sequel to “Space Seed”, this film in many ways rehashes more ideas from “Balance of Terror.” Just as Gene’s original pilot episode was critiqued for being too intellectual, here again is evidence of him losing control of his own project as Star Trek heads into lowest common denominator territory. A waste of the good ideas that are present in the Star Trek concept, ideas that have never ben satisfactorily realised on either the small or large screen.
#63 & 65: That’s what I always figured. That was the next generation, if you will, of the Khanites and that the space earwigs did most of the other adults in.
THX, upon seeing Spock’s death scene, I literally couldn’t speak for an hour after leaving the theater. The second time I saw it, that’s when I cried.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
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And to behave badly on the Internet and further expound upon my own posting, if the space earwigs killed the majority of the Botany Bay’s crew, Khan and maybe two or three others raised 10-15 kids **all by themselves**!!
Yeah; I’d be a little cranky too.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:- |
the motion picture was the best ever