TrekMovie Review of new Star Trek Trailer November 11, 2008
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Review, Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
Today TrekMovie was invited down to Paramount Pictures to get the exclusive first (USA) look at the new trailer for the Star Trek movie. The ‘play by plays’ for this trailer have already been reported here (from the official UK press screening) and spy reports, and they are mostly accurate, so I will not go over that ground again. Instead, below you will find a personal and subjective view of this trailer and what I think it means to the franchise [Spoilers below].
Big
When the invitation came to visit to the lot to see the trailer I expected I would be visiting the marketing or Bad Robot offices and watching it on a laptop or maybe even a TV (which would have been fine with me). Upon arrival I was instead ushered down to the giant Paramount theater, which actually was a bit embarrassing to have this whole place to myself and some folks from Paramount publicity along. Although I demurred that they didn’t have to go to the trouble, I am now glad they did. I sat down and cleared my mind of every spoiler I knew and tried to get that ‘open mind’ Trek’s new Supreme Court has been asking for — the lights dimmed, and then this thing hit me like a ton of bricks. From the now famous scene of Kid Kirk in his Vette to the final moment of Nero saying "The Wait is Over" the trailer is truly a ‘non-stop thrill ride’ and I am not afraid to say it was quite the emotional event for this life-long fan to see Trek like I have never seen it before. After watching the trailer for the first time I realized "this is big" — it is clear from the trailer that Paramount has never spent this kind of money on the final frontier before (even with TMP). This trailer is meant to be seen on the big screen, and even though it will be online in HD next Monday, it will not do it justice.
Big Kelvin battle tops off trailer
Real
As I said, this trailer screams ‘big epic sci-fi action movie’ and in that sense it is like no Star Trek trailer before, and that sends the message this is like no Trek film before. From the opening moment showing you a young James T. Kirk tearing down that Iowa road, to seeing beautiful vistas of Planet Vulcan, to witnessing the Enterprise raised on scaffolds, to the required space battle scenes, to the bits of snappy dialog and interplay — you get a sense of reality you have never seen before in Trek. Director JJ Abrams has been talking about ‘making it real’ and avoiding falling into Galaxy Quest-like parody and it shows. This trailer reveals a world that is both recognizable as our own and as the world of Trek.
Bana’s Nero is real as a heart attack
Different
In addition to this epic size and penchant for action and reality, as a Trek fan you cannot help but notice the differences. Why is Kirk driving a stick (when he shouldn’t know how). Why is Enterprise not exactly as it was? (inside and out). Why are Spock and Kirk at each other’s throats? Why is Uhura taking off her top? Why do these Romulans have tattoos? Who is Kirk jumping into bed with? (okay maybe that part isn’t different). These were certainly things that came to mind on my second or third run through, and for now I have no answers. It is quite possible there are no satisfying answers (however, I have been assured that there are canon answers for all). In looking at the reaction of many fans to recent reports and images, it is clear some view things through this prism of ‘what is different?’ and for some of them the Trailer will cause even more consternations. For me, that is the wrong way to look at it. While many things looked and felt strange, in those fleeting moments you see the characters, you immediately recognize them for who they are, especially Simon Pegg’s Scotty and Karl Urban’s Bones. This may look different in both detail and scale, but it still felt like Star Trek.
The crew feel right
Beginning
Possible exceptions to this ‘feeling right’ are probably Kirk and Spock, but then again that might be the point. The message of this trailer is that this film is an origin story for Star Trek and the focus is on Kirk and Spock. If this trailer is like any before, it would be the trailer for Batman Begins. Like Bruce Wayne, both Kirk and Spock are shown at various life stages and, again like Bruce, each gets their own running voice-over narration from and elder providing guidance (Bruce Greenwood’s Pike for Kirk and Ben Cross’ Sarek for Spock). The viewer sees that the film is a journey for both of these characters who must struggle with their personal demons to become the men we know and love in the five year mission and beyond. And so we see both acting uncharacteristically in the trailer. The question remains how these arcs end, and do they become more recognizable as they finish their journeys. Apparently we will need to go see the film to answer that question.
These guys need a time out
So does this trailer settle all issues and ensure a fantastic Star Trek film? No, of course not. I can still foresee many possible roadblocks for either the mainstream audience or the installed base. But this trailer is still fun and thrilling and only makes me want to see and learn more (and I imagine the same will be true for those action movie Bond fans who see it this weekend). Bottom line is that this trailer will send the message loud and clear to fan and newbie alike — there is a new Star Trek in town, and it means business.
Some random notes for the detail oriented
- Kirk is seen briefly in gold shirt
- New transporter beam effect is very cool, with a more swirling organic feel
- At one point Spock is seen at what appears to be Vasquez Rocks (presumably Vulcan)
- No more leaning and falling out of chairs–at one point Kirk yells "buckle up"
- Music (which is big and bombastic) is not from the score which was only recently finished. (May be from the soundtrack to Children of Dune by Brian Tyler, but not confirmed)
The first theatrical trailer for JJ Abrams "Star Trek" premieres this Friday (Nov. 14) in front of “Quantum of Solace."
NOTE: If and when JJ Abrams brings his traveling road show back to LA to show off the four Star Trek scenes to us locals, TrekMovie will be there and write up impressions of that as well.
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More today? We’ve seen a good chunk already.
PLEASE don’t make this like the Enterprise forum!
PLEASE!
That’s ALL I ask of you!
First? Wow, I cant wait!
Buckle up? Lol, too weird!
gaaaaah cannot wait
Heresy. Starfleet NEVER wears seatbelts.
sounds cool
I usually post on trekweb.com but all over the net I have come across people who are so upset at the look of the new Enterprise they refuse to see the movie! Stupid isnt it? I just have a little something to say for you nay sayers.
In JJ’s defense faithful might not mean to the cannon but to the fans and the true spirit of Star Trek which we all know is what really matters. I don’t have to tell you that Gene Roddenberry is smiling right now. It’s not about the ship it’s about the greater message that HAS to be conveyed or its no longer Star Trek. You know I am talking about empathy, kindness, accepting people for who they are, respect of all life, etc, the true good in our hearts and empathy is what Star Trek was always about, striving to change for the better.
Need I remind you of some quotes of Gene:
“I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I’d love someone to say, ‘Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry’s was nothing!’” – Gene Roddenberry, Starburst magazine
“…I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow’s things to tomorrow’s generations…” – Gene Roddenberry
We all know Gene Roddenberry was a beautiful human-being with the hopes and dreams he had for humanity and his relentless kindness and tolerance towards all people and all cultures which he dreamt all humans would one day share. We all know that Gene’s dream is what we want to become reality, is the reason why we watch Star Trek, it is what MUST be kept alive, not the style of the ship. All secondary issues like the cool technology, awesome ships, and three breasted feline women are simply “sauce for the goose” it would not be Star Trek without it but is not essential to the message and the meaning of Star Trek. And trust me, I am anal when it comes to Trek cannon as I see it as a future I want to exist, all us Trek fans do, we all want it written in stone. I can quote lines from TV episodes at the drop of a hat. Ask me when the Romulan war took place or when the Enterprise C was commissioned and I can give you dates. I really did want to see the old 60’s ship in all its HD glory with today’s technology. Especially with the descriptions they give about the movie and how flying by the Enterprise you can see the panels of the outer hull.
I strongly urge you to reconsider. I am only 25 but have been a Trek fan since I was four years old as TNG had just began its first season and I watched equal amounts of TOS reruns, not to mention the movies. As a youth and teen I had the privilege of Voyager, DS9, Enterprise, and some more movies. I don’t know how long you have been a fan for but we both feel the same in our hearts when we watch Star Trek.
I remember seeing the first spy photos of people on set in black uniforms with military type hats thinking..that does not look very Starfleet, it looks military, but I let it slide, time travel, parallel universe, as you said, and easy explanation. Then we all saw the bridge and I was thinking, WOW they really changed it, but it looks good, it has a 70’s feel and I love 1970’s Sci-fi. Even though I was not born yet, I would have loved if today I could watch a Star Trek TV series made in the 70’s. Phase II should have been happened. We saw the new uniforms and they look great. And today, today we have a glimpse of the ship and at first I didn’t like it, mainly those bulky nacelles but I am human we all are, and we can adapt. The nacelles have grown on me, as I said I am a 70’s sci-fi junkie and this fits into that.
Ill admit I have my shortcomings as well. Being a huge Trek geek, I was using the cannon to look for a way for this story, this ship to fit in. Could this be one of the refits, time travel = alternate universe, and in the end I realized I was trying to make this fit into the cannon so I could have peace, lol, and forgot that I wanted to see this movie no matter what it looks like or what has changed…why? Because it is Star Trek, it is Gene’s dream expanded. Just as every story changes with the person who tells it, the story teller is always aware and respectful of the true spirit, its essence and beginning that can never be butchered or cannibalized because its is a story of true good, of empathy and compassion.
When Gene passed in 1991 most people thought Star Trek might be over with TNG, Star Trek’s father is gone. But there were enough good people who knew Gene’s vision inside and out and Star Trek continued staying true to the formula. DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and 5 movies were made without Gene, but watching them.. it felt like he was a part of it. And now Star Trek XI! Gene would be very happy!
Again I urge you to go see the movie, give it a chance. This movie is supposed to expand the Star Trek audience…a good thing. Star Trek speaks about the truth of good, what could be nobler then that. I would hate to see a humans dream as noble as like Star Trek loose a fan because of the appearance of a model ship! Put your skepticism and cynicism aside and have faith, I mean that is what Star Trek is about, right?
Kirk has a beer and cheats on Uhura.
Feh, I’m still down from seeing the pic of the “Enterprise”. My heart just isn’t in this anymore. Sorry…
Awesome can’t wait til Friday, simply awesome!
I can’t wait to see it on saturday on the BIG screen!!!!!!!! As this will be the first Trek film that I’ve really followed from conception, I am thrilled and think this is certainly a great place to start.
Is it okay to hate you from my jealousy?
Is it friday yet?
One more day for me!
I have a friend that is the manager of the local movie theater, so I’m hoping he might be able to sneak me in to watch the trailer a few days earlier!
I absolutely can’t wait until Friday….
Can’t wait for: Kirk, James T Kirk 007 preview… By the way, do we get to see a glimpse of Shatner?
I agree people shouldn’t be looking at this as “what is different?” and be grateful for new Trek stories and bringing in new fans to our family. For the many predictions of Trek being dead after Nemesis, a big budget film like this is a blessing. It’s not the 60’s anymore and making this movie look like that would be silly. I’m looking forward to seeing the trailer on the big screen this weekend!
…..can’t wait…..I am cautiously optimistic
Kirk IS in gold? Nice!
Thanks Anthony!
Lucky dog – I have to wait until Friday morning. :-)
Vic
DIdn’t Tyler Perry play a Captain of the Kelvin or something?
Why is Enterprise not exactly as it was? (inside and out)
Some time travel crap
Why are Spock and Kirk at each other’s throats?
Cause Kirk has a big ego
Why is Uhura taking off her top?
In order to get people to see the movie they have to chalk it full of Sex
Why do these Romulans have tattoos?
To try and make them look cool
Who is Kirk jumping into bed with?
Once again instead of writing a good quality story that everyone can see they want to have it full of Sex. So, how does Playmates expect to sell their toys to kids if parents wont let them watch it?
As for Paramount spending the most $ Put TMP’s Cost in 2008 $
TMP in 1979 with Phase II cost 45 million- http://trekmovie.com/2006/12/17/review-star-trek-the-motion-picture/
TMP Cost in 2007 dollars- $126,964,024.28
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
And TMP made around 80 million here it is in 2007 dollars:
$225,713,820.94
Not counting that in ‘79 many of the theaters like the discount theaters, foreign theaters (many of which showed the movie illegally) were not counted. Also, this is not counting the almost 30 years of Beta, Laserdisc, VHS, DVD releases. TMP was the #1 seller for Paramount for many years in regards to VHS, I have an article somewhere that was published prior to Wrath of Khan that was sent to distributors which said this fact.
#8 took everything word-for-word from Obama’s acceptance speech!!
“buckle up” ahaha that’s great! ^_^
“This may look different in both detail and scale, but it still *felt* like Star Trek. ”
More reassuring words had not yet been printed… *sigh of relief*
#23 – “In order to get people to see the movie they have to chalk it full of Sex”
Yes, the entire movie is an Orgy. That’s all they wrote according to you.
Do the consoles have air bags if they get it?
wooooooo!!!!! why isn’t it friday!?!?!?
Let’s give this thing a shot, see it in motion (literally), and see where it goes.
Let’s just set a course, second star to the right, and head towards it, warp 9, straight on till morning.
“This may look different in both detail and scale, but it still *felt* like Star Trek.” is fairly reassuring.
Engage!
well, i can certainly say this is a hell of a roller coaster for me. Sounds really very good indeed, but will the “die-hards” get it? i’m assuming no would be the answer to that.
Oh well, let forth ride this thunderous franchise roar back into the hearts and minds of the millions world wide – all be it a little less weighed down by the fanatics.
I like Anthony’s take on this. I get the feeling that we are all way too stuck on wearing our former bashing Berman sunglasses. There’s a new kid in town and we’d better check it out before we rip it.
#22
From the cast list, Tyler Perry is the Head Commandant of Starfleet Academy. Should be interesting.
“Sounds really very good indeed, but will the “die-hards” get it?”
We’ll see. There’s still 5 months left. Most of us have been around, watching this, for the last 2 years. Yes, it’s getting to the point where it’s tedious, but….. it’s all in the end product that matters. We’ll see what happens.
I have faith in the heart. :)
number 8, spoken like a true gentleman of the final frontier, well said!
Ah, cool. I knew Perry was something.
27. Devon – November 11, 2008
#23 – “In order to get people to see the movie they have to chalk it full of Sex”
Yes, the entire movie is an Orgy. That’s all they wrote according to you”.
Well, did we see a Trek movie with Sex scenes before?
Trek III- Pon Farr- but didnt show anything
Trek VI- Marta kisses Kirk -didnt show anything
Trek VIII- Borg Queen and Data- Didnt show anything
Trek IX- Troi and Riker in bath- but it was not graphic and raunchy
Trek X- The rape scene- which was horrible and unnecessary
But the first VI were great and they did not need sex at every corner, Uhura pulling off her top, Kirk’s bed hopping, etc. To have good entertainment or comedy it does not need to be dirty, talented writers can get around this especially when you are dealing with the Trek mythos. The sex crap is just a cheap way to get ratings (Enterprise) or to attract younger viewers (XI)
Uhura takes off her top! What more could you want !
Seriously though, I’m not overly thrilled with the new Enterprise, but I’m still going to remain optimistic and I’m definitely going to see the trailer.
#8 – Right on the money. I couldn’t agree more.
@31
I’ll actually be glad if the nutjob fanatics that’re complaining about this movie don’t see it. Maybe they’ll find something else to angrily obsess over. The franchise could due without the stifling criticism that’s keeping it down…
I wanna hear Uhura sing the Charlie X song.
It’s too painfull to wait 6 more months. The agony!
#8: “I usually post on trekweb.com ”
Say no more…
Can’t wait!
We are never going to see the ‘Star Trek’ we grew up watching. This is why there are wonderful inventions like DVDs. We now have the options of watching TOS as it was, the remasters, all the films (soon to be in Blu-Ray apparently) and the subsequent series that followed.
This is taking the old Star Trek and simply updating it. Yes, it will be different. That’s the point. How many more times can Paramount re-release the old films and TV seasons. If the movie sucks, so be it, although this seems like a knockout. If it’s bad, I’ve got TOS on DVD and the films. I’ll simply throw them on and feel better about it. This is the ONLY Trek we’re going to get now. It’s a new take on TOS yes, but it looks intriguing. So they changed the Enterprise. I know it’s tough to take, we’ve all grown up used to a specific look, but compare pictures of the 60s models to the new one. It’s a update. We have to let go of our fear and anger over this and simply say, it’s better than no Trek at all.
Personally, I can’t wait and this tops my ‘must-see’ list of 2009. A new Star Trek movie with a big budget that Paramount CARES about? SIGN ME UP! No one from Paramount is going to raid your home on the night of May 7th just prior to the movie’s release and steal all of your DVDs and other Star Trek gizmos, they’ll be there.
I remember in late 2004 how skeptical Batman fans were about Batman Begins and what they were doing. A friend of mine was shunning the whole idea. I told him to be optimistic. I recall him calling me the night after Batman’s release simply stunned at how good it was. This certainly appears like it could be the same case. Whether you like it or not, we’ve got a new Trek film on our hands!
35,
Agreed. I think that sometimes we lose sight of what things really and truly mean. I think we forget the very basis for WHY it was created, its very essence. I want to go into science because of Trek.
“To seek out new strange new worlds; to see out new life and new civilizations, and to boldly go where no one has gone before” is part of my personal motto. The very first Star Trek episode I ever saw was “Trouble With Troubles” when I was 3. Ever since then, I have loved it. I remember watching all of Voyager, all of TNG, all of DS9, and a bit of Enterprise.
I’m only 18, but Trek has been a HUGE part of my life. I have constantly been rebuked for my love of it, simply because it’s “nerdy” and “unpopular.” If I did not believe in my heart of hearts that there was something deeper to believe in, I would not give a cent’s worth for it. But there really is.
JJ will hopefully bring back that Roddenberry-esque…. mysticism that we all desperately need. We need that sense of hope again.
No, it doesn’t look the same. But Trek hasn’t “looked” this way in years. Voyager, DS9, and even TNG did not have that feel.
The 1701 has changed shapes many-a-time, but…..
We will NEVER forget the name “Enterprise.”
#24 Really? I am Canadian didn’t really watch the speech, only caught the tail end I think, but even the end made me misty eyed and proud even though I am Canadian, I am DAMN happy Obama won!!! And if what I said resembles his speech I guess that is because what is good is true….and that great minds think alike lol ;)
God, I can’t wait!
The Human Adventure Is Just Beginning…
Uhura is taking off her top and someone is complaining?
I dig the new enterprise. The TOS ship needed some updating.
But who cares as long as it’s a good movie… hopefully a great one. I miss Star Trek. And as long as the spirit of trek is there, then so am I.
I really wonder what Harve Bennet thinks of all of this because his Starfleet Academy script is basically what this is.
Uhura taking her top off is nothing new.
20 years later she did it again dancing in the sand on Nimbus 3 and she wasn’t quite the looker she used to be.
Great review. I’m looking forward to the trail. Have already seen Quantum of Solace (5 star movie) so I’ll await for the HD version to come online Monday.
I really hope it’s good.
Yay!! Two more days!
I’m stuck in college, without a movie theater anywhere nearby (and I’m excited for Q of S, see it on Thanksgiving Break) so Monday, I’ll be checking out the HD trailer!
Cannot wait!
Anthony, you lucky sod….
Thanks for sharing this!
So, so, so, so, so sick of the naysayers………………………
Don’t see the movie if you already hate it!
Don’t stick around here whining about how much you already hate it!
Let us anticipate….
I wish I was going to a theater this weekend…but I guess I’m waiting until Monday, staring with complete, total and rapt attention at my computer screen…..
Is it May yet?
I predict that a topless Uhura will be about a thousand times hotter than a topless T’Pol or Seven of Nine…. =8-}
Exciting! I spoke to my husband and asked him if he wants to see QOS this weekend–for myself it’ll be just so I can see the ST trailer on the big screen.
Thanks for the info!
#8 (Chadwick): Great post. I totally second that… except for the “cannon”. ;)
dont know how to feel anymore
and i was so optimistic before
#51 can you explain that? I think only a small part of the movie takes place at the academy. Harve Bennetts idea was exclusively star fleet academy. Can’t see where you get that.
I think quite a bit takes place at the academy actually.
Anthony…you lucky devil! I must wait until Sunday to see the trailer. I am once again envious of you and your connections.
Thank you for keeping your head straight and remaining on an even keel as the “purists” rant themselves into hysterical fits. Yours is the example to which we should all aspire.
If you say the trailer looks and feels like Star Trek, despite the changes in the trappings, then I believe it.
Hey, I’ve been thinking that maybe that old car Kirk drove in A Piece of the Action–it had a transmission without synchronized gears–meaning, it shifts roughly and grinding gears can happen without being used to that type of tranny. As far has the horrid driving–fuel mixture levels in those cars would really through those of us off and produce the bucking of the car we saw in POTA.
Just a thought to help those along who are troubled over the stick shift thing.
8, 45, 56. – Well-put.
Anthony, thanks for the play-by-play!
It’s to the point where the haters are making me laugh. I’d like to see what *they* would come-up with when given the task of continuing the franchise under under Paramount’s requirements for bigger audience and bigger profits. Phase II isn’t even good enough for them, for f___’s sake! The funniest part about the hater-posts is how people can extrapolate just how bad they feel the movie will be based on quick reports and a few photos. what’s not funny is how they blatantly wish failure on the the new film. Get with it, people, this movie is for a mainstream audience, one that will hopefully breed some new trekkers just like you and me.
#37
Did you ever actually watch TOS? It *was* full of sex. From Kirk’s lady of the week to those infamous gravity-defying Theiss designs that left very, very little to the imagination (and some of which almost weren’t allowed by the network) to Orion Slave Girls to female officers in miniskirts, sex was never something TOS was uncomfortable with. Good lord, Kirk losing his shirt in some way was almost a requirement!
“Some random notes for the detail oriented
Kirk is seen briefly in gold shirt ”
wooooo! Wish they had him in the gold shirt for some of those promotional images that were released. I still have reservations about this movie (and what it will mean to the franchise) but I’ll be there opening night for it.
Naysayers?
They will ALL be eating their words by May.
Every single last one of them.
PS thanks for the post Anthony.
#37
And loathe as I am to defend Nemesis (I hated it), the rape scene was hardly there to titillate or bring in young viewers. It was to make Shinzon more repulsive and antithetical to Picard.
I’m begining to think seeing this movie will be like eating liver.
I won’t like it, but it’s good for me.
Spoiler Alert!!!!!
To all of you waiting to see the topless Uhura. What they’re not telling you is that Nichele Nichols makes a cameo in the movie.
I skipped over much of the review because there are only so many spoilers I can take. It appears that the trailer will reveal a great deal.
To answer the question as to why Kirk is driving a stick, perhaps this car is where he gets his love of antiques. Maybe he just forgets how to drive a car between this movie and his lousy driving in ‘A Piece Of The Action’.
Anthony:
Interesting times for sure.
I don’t get that “glowing” review thing from your description, but a definite desire to see more. Can’t wait for glorious Quicktime.
Since this is a time travel themed movie, maybe someone will go to the Time Planet. Frak, maybe a tribble will jump through the Guardian of Forever and set everything back right.
Hey as far as the design goes it can be explained simply, here goes. First Contact they go back in time with Borg, the Borg crash on Earth the crew of the Enterprise meets Cochran. They change the whole future thats why we had an Enterprise before Kirk the NX-01, so history happens differenty they meet the Borg earlier than they should have so some of there technology goes into designing new ships hence the new look. Alex and Bob you owe me for explaining that one, just kidding. I like the new look and am a big fan having worked at Star Trek the Experience for 9 years.
#65 Don’t waste your time. As I’ve said before the whiners are going to trash every photo and design thats put out simply because it doesn’t live up to their little dream world expectations. They’ve already made up their minds they’re going to hate this move and nothing anyone says is going to change that and they won’t shut up until the movie outgrosses every trek movie ever made . The new re-imagined Battlestar Galactica forums was far worse than this before it aired 5 years ago. After it became a huge hit you didn’t hear a peep out of the purists. And it will be the same way with Star Trek.
76
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
Forget all that…I want to see the Enterprise! Give us a picture of the Ent…oh…yeah…
I think this is going to be a great movie. For those of use steeped in TOS tradition, some things will take some getting used to, but hey, it’s the 21st century now….we have to live with, and accept that.
I can’t wait until it’s on DVD/Blu-Ray/TOS data tape. My daughter has been pining for some new Star Trek to watch with her daddy. :-D
What is this? The one-minute joke in the 200th episode of StarGate SG-1, with a “younger, edgier cast?” Is this the Enterprise NCC-90210?
Maybe when I see the trailer for myself I’ll be convinced.
to #17:
“Can’t wait for: Kirk, James T Kirk 007 preview… By the way, do we get to see a glimpse of Shatner?”
If you want a glimpse of Shatner, he’s in Priceline ads
and a little TV show called “Boston Legal”.
He is not in Star Trek 2009.
Grow up, people!
I know I’ll be angering “true fans” when i say this. I do consider myself a true fan. I own everything trek, from all dvd installments to all the books to hallmark orniment, etc. But it doesn’t really bother me that small things may change. I always kind of explained away the old bad effects of tos, which was ten years before i was born, by imagining i was watching a tv show that was depicting some historical event. The charactors were much more than the actors that played them. So with this new installment I’m not concerned about seatbelts or the lack of huge knobs and levers to control the ship because i imagine it as a depiction of events to a small degree, not the actual events. Even that isnt accurate completely but its the closest i can come to explaining it. I’m not in any way suggesting that its right or wrong to view it this way, so please don’t angrily reply that I’m missing some huge point. Its just my opinion, and I’m sure we all have our own way of looking at it. Anyway, thats me. Super excited to hit 007 on friday for the trailer. Woohoo
But why does this film even need to be about the original cast? Couldnt it just be some other ship? Some other story?
No.
Y?
Because studio has no faith in star trek to be about another crew again. they know that the original characters are what star trek is about.
But the original Oceans eleven with rat pack cast had a great ending!
the remake is all about how cool everyone can look whilst ripping off vegas (and us) TWICE! THRICE!
Just like OrcandJJ will do to us. It will only be about 3 movies. No shows. Why dont they start a new TV SERIES based on the old characters! What good, really, are these movies done new if there will only likely be 3 max!?
What’s next? a reboot of Goodfellas with a young Jimmy and Paulie?
There is a lot of talk on here about canon and general accuracy parallels to TOS. I have been thinking about this a bit and have some thoughts. It was great that Anthony mentioned Batman Begins. It is a perfect example. WIth that, we all knew the familiar story, so the challenge was how to make it more interesting and relevant. I think Batman Begins was a departure in many ways, but at the heart a true reflection of the very dark, neurotic character that Batman really is. I felt it was successful in that regard.
Likewise, Star Trek has become it’s own legend in a lot of ways, which means that writers and directors at this point can have some artistic vision and give us their own interpretation of what the story of the original crew is. We have to remember as movie goers, that we are watching the work of artists. Do we want them to serve us the audience as slaves, telling us the same familiar story again and again, or do we want to put our trust in their particular vision? I choose the latter. If it works, it works. If it doesn’t, ce la vie. Someone will try again, no doubt.
Let see what JJ, Orci and Kurtzman have to say. I am looking forward to it.
and just to add to that, by familiar story, i realize they are adding to the story of the young crew, which we have yet to learn about, so i realize the concern. but hey folks, this is a cool set of characters and interesting setting for journeys and conflict. i hope they contribute to the gigantic story line of the Star Trek universe in a way that is fun to watch.
To #8 : GOOD GOD MAN!!! IT’S SPELLED “CANON”, NOT “CANNON”! GET A FRACKING DICTIONARY!
I’m J you saw JJ’s trailer.
Sounds good. Maybe I’ll go see Quantum of Solace after all.
Yay Kirk in gold shirt!
Ok.being a Trek Puriest i am realylooking forward to the trailerand it sounds like there be explanationsforjust about everything. Bor orci and Crew said to keep an open mind and i will. I do like the look of the New Big E and can’t wait to see it in Action. So for the Nay sayers please shut up. You are the reason that Trek Was Canceled and we almost lost trek. Bob Orci. You and the others have this Trek Puriest in your court and on your Side.
Anthony,
I have to say, you were given fantastic treatment by Paramount/Bad Robot.
And for good reason, since you are providing a great filter for good vs. bad information, and keeping everyone up to date.
Thank you.
BTW, after getting used to it, I’m liking the new design for the Enterprise.
Visually, this will not be Canon. Story: We’ll see.
Buckle up? What next? Is a joystick going to magically rise up out of the floor near the captain’s chair? Oh wait…
Also. All real Trek Fans have watched every Episode of all the Series. From Tos To TNG To Ds9 To Voyager to Enterprise. We who have watched all the shows are the real fans and we are not nay sayers. Most of us are open minded and we understand some minor changes to be made so that the rest of the Movie Audiences will watch and go and see Trek and make the movie lots of money so there can be more Trek.
I’ve been a Trek fan since the 80’s. I loved the Original cast in the movies, but I often found myself watching the Original series just because I felt like I had to, ya know, to understand all the in-jokes and references. My #1 complaint with all the Canon-mongers is that the entire mythology is full of inconsistancies, too numerous to name here. When they were making this show in the 60’s, no one had a clue as to how big it would get. The Next Generation is my favorite series, but the Original crew as seen in the movies will always be my absolute favorite. I am very happy to have this chance to see their early adventures in “100% true to life Technicolor” so that I won’t feel the need to apologize for the Original series and all its short comings anymore. As long as we have Mr. Roddenberry’s ideas and philosophies firmly represented, then I am happy. The Human adventure continues!
i am 36… wrath of khan is the reason i am a fan and balance of terror and yesterdays enterprise hammered trek into me…. there has been good and bad and I have watched every bit.. and i cannot wait.. what if something as quirky as enterprise 08/09 is what our futuristic devices for travel/warfare/exploration is real?
It looks a bit weird to me the way the Nacel…..Oh sorry, Wrong thread.
Yeah looking forward to the trailer. it’s odd but I almost feel like I’ve already seen this movie now.
But with all that being said, I still can’t believe they took out the giant space squid at the end!!! What were they thinking!
#78 – Reboot!
I am trying to keep an open mind, really I am. I will accept changes if they are not (too) arbitrary. >;>p
As a 41 year old “die hard” fan of Star trek.. I am actually very excited about this movie.. changes and tweeks and all. I was watching some TOS on TV today… wow.. it sure needed an update. Funny thing is.. i noticed that in TOS.. there were at least 4 different uniform changes that I saw. I guess Starfleet likes to change uniforms all the time. The did it from TMP to TWOK forward. And the Next Gen movies changed them 4 times.
The trailer sounds great.. i’m going to see 007 on Friday and can’t wit to see the Trek trailer!
Remember this folks.. change is good.. change allows you to move forward.
If people are that upset with this movie… I suggest that you don’t go see it and just be happy that you can still watch the original series and movies on DVD.
But please… before you bash it.. go see it.
I already have my tickets for the trailer (too bad Bond gets the credit for the sale when I am not even sure I am staying after I see the trailer).
Change is constant besides as long as the vision is there and the storytelling is great I thnk Gene would aprove.
Great Job Anthony! Thanks! =D
#8. Chadwick: Very well said!
Just a little aside: I didn’t like Batman Begins, and I didn’t even bother seeing Dark Knight.
Also: for all of our “nit-picking”, I think we will ALL go to see this film, and hopefully be very pleasantly surprised.
Peace and Long Life
…also keep in mind: that as this site gets more and more popular, we are getting a lot more Trolls. ;-)
Okay, that settles it. I’m going to go to the midnight show of Bond on thursday night so I can see this thing. After seeing some of the promo pics on my computer, my wife is even getting excited! JJ may have done his job!
in a world where an african-american trekkie can be elected president (obama) ANYTHING is possible; including this film making lord of the rings-level money and making star trek something every1 from miley cyrus to stephen hawking, joe the plumber to paris hilton, britney spears to majel herself will think is the coolest thing since the birth of tv :)
p.s.–they better use britney’s hit ‘womanizer’ in the soundtrack… i swear its like a jim kirk theme song LMAO
Will the trailer be shown in Australia with “Quantum of Solace.”??
8, that was an excellent, well thought out, and well written post. You are also 100% correct. I am about your age, a little younger actually, and I also have loved Trek since I was very young. In fact, I’ve got tons of Star Trek related backgrounds and plenty of Star Trek games on my computer, book shelves of Trek books, and the entire Trek franchise on DVD to show for it. I enjoyed reading your post and hopefully more people will keep an open mind about this film. After all, if Trek is to survive, we need this film to be a huge success!
I’m also a Bond fan and I am planning to see the film in theaters so I’ll see the trailer both on the movie website and in the theaters. The trailer sounds great and I look forward to seeing it.
Hmmm, Kirk yelling “buckle up?” as in seat belts?? what the hell happened to the inertial dampners?? suppose they may have gone offline! lol
#8: I concur for the sake of Roddenberry´s spirit.
Nevertheless: The Nacelles of the E are ugly and the connection to the secondary hull too much in the back of it
Uhura taking her top off? Hmmm…. could make up for the crappy new E design…
I really can not believe people saying they won’t see the film as they don’t like the new ship… one word… pathetic.
Thanks for the report, Anthony. I’m jealous that you got to see the trailer early, but happy that Paramount is recognizing your contributions!
#10
You are irrelevant. Nobody cares that you and your fellow canon freaks don’t have your “hearts in it”. You are not needed nor wanted in the rebirth of this franchise. The vast majority of true ST fans, who see past the superficialities of detail and understand the meaning and spirit of ST, will love this film. And, it will attract legions of new fans to jump-start the franchise and encourage a new generation of films and TV.
Rent the entire DVD collection of TOS (not remastered, of course), lock yourself in your basement, and dream on.
The differences may have something to do with Nero going back in time. If you are a Star Trek geek then you understand the consequence of a temporal incursion into the past. My question is if they indeed change the time period, what happens to the Next Generation time period. If you tamper with that you are going to have a pretty pissed off fan base. If they want to wipe Voyager out of existence that would be fine with me but the other shows, espcially Next Generation, would be a problem for a lot of people.
#114 (and others)
I thought you were a ST fan. Didn’t you see the NextGen episode “Parallels”. It’s canon, of course, and it explains how we can see all of these variations in the details of the ST universe.
Rent it, understand it, and then shut up already with this obsessing over the differences in detail on the warp nacelles.
The point is that every “decision point” in history has many possible results, and any result that CAN happen, DOES happen, in some alternate universe. There is no ABSOLUTELY TRUE star trek universe. All variations are equally valid. If you canon freaks must have an explanation about the differences in the film from your feverish fantasies, then chalk it up to the fact that the new franchise is following one of the alternate universes that deviates slightly from TOS. It’s obvious that all the meddling in the past done by ALL the ST crews would have an effect on the timeline.
The TOS of your fathers still exists in one of the timelines of the multiverse, it just isn’t the one that will be on display in this film and future films. Get over it.
114, I doubt they’re “wiping” anything out as they have repeatedly said that they are “respecting canon.” The new Enterprise is the Enterprise as it appeared in the time period most of the movie takes place in. That’s an assumption but I think that it’s a safe assumption.
113, there is no reason to insult those with whom you disagree. Yes some people take some things too seriously but I don’t see the point in insulting people – it only makes you look bad.
116, Further, if you don’t want to read nitpicking – then do not read the forums. It’s that simple. You’ve been complaining and insulting people about nitpicking and people discussing canon and saying that people should “get over it.” You know what I’m tired of? The insults! It is not necessary and not how people should behave. Remember we are all Star Trek fans who love Roddenberry’s vision. We can have different point of views and our differences is also something Star Trek embraces. You should to.
As someone who grew up with the original series in its initial network run I embrace any top notch effort to re-energize the franchise. And this is definitely that!
Congrats Anthony! Nice to see you being rewarded for all the work you have done on this site!!!!
Can’t wait until next May.
….and the adventure TRULY continues…
The look of the new E is fine and frankly should not make or break the film. Trek is about the characters. Always has been. I’m looking forward to spending a couple of hours in a theater, popcorn in hand, and seeing a fast paced, exciting movie.
There’s going to be a lot more to come, and you’re goin’ to be quite busy Anthony! :D lol
Have fun. ;)
I’m taking it all in and the new look is fine…
the whole idea is fine …
…everything about the new film is fine…
and I’m so into this whole JJTrekThing that I’m fine too!
STAR TREK LIVES!
…what a great time to be alive!
So SO sick of the trolls that hang around this site, so sad and bitter. Go put your old TOS VHS on if you don’t like it- no one is forcing you to watch this film
Thanks, Anthony.
I feel lucky in that your description of the trailer and the feel for new Trek is pretty much what I expected. The same yet very different with some questions to be answered, or not.
Can’t wait to “buckle up”!
Anthony, did you have the chance to ask if the trailer we are going to see this Friday is indeed the final trailer, or it is more like a 2nd tease?
113
If there is one thing “the meaning and spirit of ST” encompasses, it is that, even though we all have differences and different points of view, there is no need to feel threatened by those differences and POVs.
Flaming someone because they disagree with the choices that JJ Abrams and company have made doesn’t exactly make you (or any of the other fanbois that are doing it) the best example of that spirit, now does it?
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Thanks Mr. Pascale for the preview of the trailer. I look forward to seeing it myself.
Anthony, I envy you!! :-)
The picture emerges that this will be something different with the name “Star Trek” slapped on it.
My feelings about this movie are definitely negative now, though I kept an open mind for a long time. I can’t believe any more that this anything else than a re-imagination. And I have absolutely no need or desire for re-imagined Trek. For one reason, this is so because I don’t believe anyone in Hollywood today can match the genius of Roddenberry, Justman, Fontana. If you need evidence for that, just look at the so-called SF movies produced today.
Hey, I’m stoked.
BTW Children of Dune by Brian Tyler is a great soundtrack, was used for the Indiana Jone TKCS ( don’t hold that against it ). Would have been great if it was the new score ( if it isn’t ).
What seems a little odd is that despite being x months away, and JJ’s insistance of secrecy we now probably have more information and plot details out there than any other Trek film before it. I don’t mind at all, and from the looks of it this is the way to get the marketing started – get the media on board early, grease their palms a little so when it come May and everyone is asking the press “What do I see”, they’ll go “TREK!!!!” Just seems a little less secret that I was expecting .
Thanks for the review of the trailer, Anthony. Can’t wait to see it myself!
Wes…
“Who is Kirk jumping into bed with?
Once again instead of writing a good quality story that everyone can see they want to have it full of Sex. So, how does Playmates expect to sell their toys to kids if parents wont let them watch it?”
Um, I don’t think parents care anymore, if you use Iron Man as a template. Tony Stark spent as much time in the sheets as he did the armor, and the Iron Man toys are everywhere with the kids. The man is an alcoholic, womanizing superhero. And we’re cool with that.
And please, Trek without sex? HAHAHAHAAHAH… I remember from the old days of fandom when the lady fans called him James “Tomcat” Kirk!
Kirk got laid by more women than any other action hero on TV in the 1960s…and 1970s…and 1980s…. There was NO subtlety about it.
This is ST for the regular movie-going crowd, who care nothing about canon details we obsess over. If Trek is to live again, it must appeal to the crowds at large and not just a shrinking fanbase who obsess over minutia. Like me.
Seatbelts???
Heresy!!!
I’ve read a lot of the comments about the “new” Enterprise and about how people are reacting to it in general and this is exactly what’s wrong with the Trek community. We seem to have this vision of what things “should” be that we don’t ever appreciate what he actually get regardless of its quality. Its obvious work has been put into this script, film and effects yet all we can do is whine. “Kirk shouldn’t know how to drive stick.” Really? Why? Is there a canon line somewhere that specifically states that Kirk does NOT? We nitpick and nitpick until we get into a fight with each other and then we forget that Star Trek is a privilege not a right that we have.
The only thing I ask is for people to hold judgement until you see the actual film. Don’t judge this book by its cover, or even the inside flap (trailer) because its a ridiculous thing to do.
64. I made that point about the stick shift in the post about the spoilers for the trailer.
I can drive a 1960’s Stick shift with ease… If you put me in a 1930’s manual tranny, i might not be able to shift very well.
Lets think about this scenario. in “Piece of the Action”
Spock KNOWS kirk can drive stick (1960’s Vette) and he is subtly mocking/sarcastic when he refers to using the Clutch.
I win.
hah.
118 – Oh Please. Why should we all abandon trekmovie.com because we are sick of the whiney canonistas?
Wanna know why Trek has become irrelevant and a joke? Wanna know why movies like Galaxy Quest were made and were successful? Its because of crazed fans who bitch and bicker about whether or not Kirk is wearing a gold shirt or knows how to drive a standard transmission. Its fans who bitch and moan about if the new McCoy’s hair is parted correctly or if his eyes are the right color. Its fans who bitch and moan because there aren’t toggle switches on the bridge. Its fans who bitch and moan because the warp nacelles look different.
OH. MY. GOD.
Trek fandom has devolved into this? We’ve become jokes.
I come to Trekmovie.com because i’m excited about this film. I come because I want to know the latest. Instead i’m assaulted by this wave of negativity because some are mad that JJ Abrams didn’t make a movie with Sulu as the captain or because Uhura drinks Bud Lite. I feel like i’m watching a bunch of religious fanatics arguing about whose denomination is more true than another.
Can ya’ll just shut up and wait until the film comes out? If you hate it after that then bitch and moan all you want.
Until then, i’m never reading these forums again. You canonistas have won as far as this very long time Trekker is concerned. You make me want to vomit.
We know Spock has a sense of humor. Anyone care to deny it? You can’t say that spock didnt know what he was doing in his long time arguments with Bones.
Cool! Your enthusiasm is infectious Anthony. And so articulately put. What can’t I have a few students like that? Seems those are few and far between. But I look forward to the trailer.
i saw Quantum of Solace last week here in Ireland , first its terrible , but i am wondering what movie will the star trek trailier be in front of here in Europe ???
So any ideas ? what movie will have the Star Trek Trailier in Europe ???
Is seems that some people want so badly this film to be good, that they fell OK for insulting people just because they don´t share their ´´optmism´´ about it. Instead of insulting and calling people whiners, just put your opinion and stop being so agressive with others fans.
I was always taught, if you don’t have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself. If I knew I wasn’t going to like this movie I would stay far away from the forums and chat rooms about it. Complaining won’t make it go away. I remember reading some of the script for Nemesis before it came out and hoped and prayed that it was some kind of joke but unfortunately it wasn’t. It sucked on paper and it sucked on screen but I kept my opinion to myself until I saw the movie. Maybe some will hate the Enterprise design but the story and plot will make up for it, maybe some will hate some canon issues but there could be connection with TOS or TNG that will explain it. I don’t know the story or the plot yet so I’m giving it the chance to prove itself and holding all judgement until then. Anyone that judges the movie, good or bad, before it actually shows,…. well somebody is going to be wrong. I intend to get a bag of pop corn sit back and enjoy the ride.
#140…
I know what you mean about seeing something sucky on paper and hoping it gets better on the big screen… I read the novelization for Star Trek V before seeing the film.
I was rather jarred by the first shot of the Big E, but after giving it a minute to sink in, I like it. It will never take away from the “original” Enterprise, and I still have my DVDs, models, and memories, none of which will be altered by this film.
I’ve been a fan of ST all my life, I was born just after the series ended its original run and I grew up watching reruns in the 1970s… I’m thrilled that Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and the rest are going to be back on the big screen where they belong. Give this movie a chance guys, don’t write it off based on a handful of images and speculation. Let the movie stand on its merits and don’t judge it till you’re sitting in the theater next May.
I don’t know how many times I can say this….most of the critical comments, particularly about the look of the Enterprise, are not coming from people who hate the film. Most of them begin with, “I had high hopes,” or “I liked what they’ve done so far.” Are we not allowed to call something out when it looks bad?
As for “canonistas” well J.J. Abrams and Orci have repeated that the film follows canon. They are the ones who deny it is a reimagining, reboot, or the like.
#142 I totally agree with you.
And I sincerely hope this movie to be good, but for me, and alot of other people, the design of the ship is bad.
man I hope this rocks..
as for the trolls.. phasers on ’stun’
So how much real Spock(Nimoy) is in the trailer?
yo, AP, glad that the orcster took my advice yesterday and got you a ringside. thats what i am talking about. mad props to you, pimp.
and whoever it was who said they read V first before seeing it – ditto here. i thought it was a better read than it translated onscreen. still a fan of V, though.
THE ORCSTER!!
=h=
Should be good stuff on Friday.
Let’s hope Trek also makes it back to the small screen really soon too!
#142
Exactly.
For all the people who are crtiticizing those of us who don’t happen to like what we have seen, whether it be what we have heard about the trailer, the 20 minute preview, the pics of the crew and the new bridge, or the redesigned Enterprise, repeat after me:
BAAAAAAA.
I don’t have to be a sheep and get in line. I don’t owe JJ Abrams anything. I own all the Trek DVD’s. You’re right, I can stay at home and not bother with the movie. And then we will have another Superman Returns. My problem has been the ship. I can accept a lot of changes. Obviously there are a lot so far. But I love that ship as much as anything else in Trek, and have since I was a little boy. That was never going to change. And I still am going to be positive about this new movie.
But if the writing sucks I don’t think Star Trek will be able to survive. And now you all better be prepared to defend THAT, since you are ready to bash on all of us who might disagree with you.
Wow, Anthony liked it, what a surprise.
“Why is Kirk driving a stick (when he shouldn’t know how). ”
Here’s the thing.
When the events depicted in “A Piece Of The Action” occurred, it was in a timeline which was not affected by an incursion by Romulan villains from the late 24th Century.
Perhaps the attack on the USS Kelvin produced some result that affects Kirk’s early upbringing. As a result, some convirgence of circumstance allows him to learn how to drive a stick-shift automobile. It may be simply the absence of his father and the presence of the uncle we’ve all heard about.
Obviously, if Kirk were put in the same situation on Sigma Iotia II, he wouldn’t have so much trouble this time around.
Since the possibility of creating alternate timelines due to interference with the past has always been a vital part of Star Trek canon, these are ‘not’ canon violations. We were always told that this could happen…
“Tommorow Is Yesterday”—TOS
“City On The Edge Of Forever”—TOS
“Assignment: Earth”—TOS
“Yesteryear”—TAS
“Yesterday’s Enterprise”—TNG
That’s just to name a few.
Bob and Alex have handed JJ Abrams an inherent (and very gaping) ‘canon’ loophole…I like it.
#142—-”They are the ones who deny it is a reimagining, reboot, or the like.”
It cannot be a reboot, and here’s why…
Everything we know in Star Trek canon has to happen BEFORE Nero and his villainous cohorts decide to take action in order to alter the past.
ENT, TOS, the original movies, TNG, the TNG-era movies, DS9, and VOY all have to happen to get to that point.
They are all therefore inherently relevant to the story Bob and Alex have written.
This is why it is not a “reboot”, nor is it a “prequel” (in the traditional sense).
In fact, it has many characteristics of a “sequel”, since this has to occur AFTER everything in the timeline with which we are so familiar has happened.
That’s the way I see it.
Anthony -
Bob responded yesterday in a post that Giacchano’s score would be in the trailer.
Must’ve been mistaken I guess.
Point about the ships ‘current’ look.
It’s pre 5-year mission status.
*smiles*
#6 You are wiser than most on this forum.
The rest of you whiners should show some respect to those trying to keep Trek alive. You disrespect the memory of Gene Roddenberry as well. If you don’t get my point then read post #6. If you already read post #6 READ IT AGAIN!
I don’t owe JJ and the supreme court anything either but I will have the dignity to give them the respect that as humans we should give to each other.
So, given what I’ve read on the other thread about the new trailer (and the 20 minutes Abrams is showing), that the newer photo of Uhura on the bridge (where she’s facing us, Kirk on the left and someone on the right in the gold tunic), that would be Pike in the gold, on the right? Now that I look at it, I think that’s him!
I don’t think we have to resort to calling people who are initially displeased with change “whiners” or anything else.
People are free to determine for themselves how much change they can handle, what will or will not intice them to see this movie, or what they would or would not like to see.
The only thing wrong with the Trek community these days is that all the fans are expected to march in step like lemmings off a cliff and all expected to have the same opinions and viewpoints on things. If any fan base is progessive thinking and open-minded it is Trekkers and if so many Trekkers are having issues with the bridge, uniforms, ship etc. then maybe that is something that should be looked at and not tossed aside as though we are all “caught in the past” or “closed-minded” or some other worse names which I won’t repeat because I have more class in my little pinky than most of the haters on here.
It seems this movie, from what we know, is rewriting history as we know it without invalidating all of the voyages of the Enterprise.
Certain events, such as “Balance of Terror”, might occur differently, but most of what we’ve seen and know is likely intact story wise.
I believe older Spock’s role here is to set certain things to how they should be before Nero’s interference, thus leading to a very different origin story than what would have happened otherwise.
I’m not worried about Canon violations involving the Romulans, and the effects of that (command structure changes, including Kirk meeting and getting to know Pike earlier for instance), or the fact that the Enterprise has a very different look and feel.
I want a movie that reflects the basic ideal of humans and aliens of diverse backgrounds, ethnicity etc., working for the greater good.
I want a movie of adventure, fun and maybe a “heavy idea or two” as the Great Bird would say.
This is not the same Star Trek we grew up with, but it IS Star Trek.
Lets take the risk on this movie. After all, Risk is our business ;-)
#157—”The only thing wrong with the Trek community these days is that all the fans are expected to march in step like lemmings off a cliff and all expected to have the same opinions and viewpoints on things.”
No one who has spent any significant amount of time on this site would expect that of Star Trek fans, IMO.
#156, #157
I´m so glad that there are indeed people with a open mind to accept and respect every form of opinion.
Greetings to both of you.
#160—And to you, Eduardo.
Truth be told, also, I feel that the “bickering” and “nitpicking” is misunderstood.
I believe it comes from the fact that Star Trek is important to us as fans. We’re passionate about it, and we are diverse enough as a group that we argue from diverse viewpoints.
Trailer sounds really cool! I’ve been hoping for a truly big, epic Trek movie (sorry, TMP and TUC don’t count) for a long time, and it looks like this one might actually deliver.
BTW, looking at the new ship with fresh eyes this morning, it actually looks a lot better than I thought. It’s still odd that the saucer isn’t more stylized to match the REST of the ship, but oh well. I’m sure I’ll get used to that too.
POSSIBLE SPOILER
I read on “Trek Today” that Scotty makes a reference to “Admiral Archer’s beagle,” and I for one am glad to see that. Not that I’m a big fan of “Enterprise” particularly, but it is now part of the backstory of the Star Trek universe and events and people and species from that era should at least be acknowledged, along with the now-canon version of Cochrane’s first contact. “Admiral Archer” works for me because, face it, virtually everybody in Star Trek gets to be an admiral sooner or later. They should certainly work in a reference to the Xindi attack. They could show a Denobulan walking by. Maybe Soval, Koss, or T’Pol is still alive. (I don’t want to see T’Pau, though, unless she’s got the Celia Lovsky accent. Maybe they could say she spent some time on Earth and took some graduate courses at a university in Budapest.)
Note that I’m *not* saying the new movie should be filled with “Enterprise” characters and references. I’m hoping for things that acknowledge the canon without being gratuitous (and definitely not in-your-face in a wink-wink sort of way). For example, in “Nemesis” (I think) during a battle Riker tells the bridge crew to execute some maneuver that’s named after Kirk. And supposedly one of the ships named on a viewscreen is “Archer,” but you can’t really see it. For another example, in the Voyager episode “Prototype,” Torres mentions Data in the context of a discussion about artificial life-forms.
“Nemesis” allowed is not — is movie forbidden!
Definitly not cannon. I thought Kirk couldn’t drive yet alone a stick.see the gangster episode.
#164
Regarding your possible spoiler. I think that would be cool if it were to happen. It’s not a big thing, just a “nice to have.”
I just peed in my paints.
Can’t wait!!!!!
A new Star Trek!!!!!!!!!!!!
#165—see post #150.
@#84: Well said. Let’s face it, we’re in the 21st century now, and a starship model built on a lathe and held together with Elmer’s glue and 2×4s (really) will not hold up on a big, 2K (or 4K) resolution screen. Plus, there’s a new design aesthetic at work – sure, compare the bridge to your neighborhood Apple store, but people are looking for bigger, brighter spaces, and lots of shiny stuff. Just ‘cuz it doesn’t look like the CIC of the battlestar Galactica (or James Cawley’s amazing bridge recreation) doesn’t mean it isn’t valid.
I, personally, am getting more and more excited about this movie, perhaps not in spite of the fact that it looks and feels different, but because of that. It’s time for a new Star Trek – and if it fails, so be it, and Trek will truly be dead (except for the DVDs). But with all the talk these days about optimism, hope, and change, don’t you think a new Trek movie deserves at least the benefit of the doubt? Especially since nobody’s seen the whole bloody thing yet?
Okay… about Kirk driving a 60’s Vette and then the 1920 car in A Piece Of The Action” is completely different. I have a 1967 Vette… it is much like a regular standard in cars today. But Trying to drive my Dad’s 126 Chevy is completely different. Manual choke, difefrent shifting, tougher clutch.. I was bounching that things before I learned how to handle it. And the fact that Kirk is driving a Vette when he is 13 and then driving the mobcar 20 odd years later.. I think he would forget how to drive smoothly.
Just put someone in one of today’s manual 5 speed cars when they haven’t driven one. See how far you get.
There… that issue is now dead.
Anothy, you’re a lucky guy. I wish we could change life for some time.
But I’m not sure about the trailer description. So, I have to wait and see. I have to admit the new Enterprise really hurts my eyes and I don’t know how I could love that movie with that ship in it. It’s the hero-ship not some minor starfleet vessel! What they have done?
I’ve seen QoS last night and despite the fact that it is a very good action movie, it is the worst Bond I’ve seen so far (and I’ve seen all of them). If Bond was named Herby Hancock, the movie could have also worked. The once unique franchise could be exchangend with any other now, Bourne or what you want. There was no Bond-feeling, there was no uniqueness, no gadgets, no surprises, nor something else. The atagonist was lame, as was his idiotic henchman. I just hope Star Trek will really feel like Star Trek and not like Star Wars with a Star Trek lable. So, my expectations botzh, very high and very low. And I don’t like the new overall look (except the uniforms, but that was allways a minor priority for me) and that might be the shatterpoint of the entire movie. I dare say, JJ did a great mistake to give his blessing to this designs. He pushed his designers too far, they’ve changed too much, IMO
But the truth only May 09 will show.
BTW:
It pleases my heart, that there are some decent posters out there, like
Closettrekker
Eduardo Cordeiro
OneBuckFilms
John from Cincinnati
THX-1138
and many more. Thanks to them, for speaking against hate and insults and allways write descent and well founded posts. It’s realy a joy to read them. Go on, lads!
I don’t really understand the 007 comparisons which keep coming up. Yes, there was some kind of reboot for 007. But canon or continuity aren’t really an issue here, are they? I mean James Bond would have to be well in his seventies by now, even before the reboot, if we took continuity seriously. And there have been several Bond actors anyway, each change constituting sort of a reboot. You just can’t compare the two franchises (007 and Trek) with regard to continuity, it’s totally unimportant to the escapist action-adventure of 007.
George Takei is to star in I’m a celebrity get me out of here in the UK
It would be so cool to stir things up and put William Shatner in the Jungle for the 2nd week
# 172
That’s true. You can’t and not with Batman too. But Paramount did, when they gave JJ the job. “We feel, that Star Trek need’s a reboot, like Batman Begins or James Bonde”, said one the Paramount executives (I never can remember his name, but you can read this in the EW-article two weeks ago). And that’s part of the problem, IMO.
157: John from Cincinnati:
Trekkers are not at all expected to fall in line and agree on anything.
When we come onto a website which is available to the general public, including children, we are expected to behave and express our opinions in a civilized manner.
There have been several issues which have brought about rancor from fans: Shatner, the Enterprise, the lack of leaks, photos and advertising, etc…Trekmovie seems to have done a great job of fielding the discontent. The discourse is real.
All that applies is the general e-mail rule: If you’re angry at someone, DON’T post. You can write, “I don’t think Romulans should be bald with tattoos,” but not “I think you’re a moron,” which I have seen here too many times, even addressed to celebrity posters.
This just in, Paramount has decided to cancel the movie based on reaction to the ship…
Wouldn’t you just love that? Face it, this is a movie for the MASSES. The Trek community has not supported the efforts of Paramount for the last 10 or so years, so they have decided to make a movie for the masses because then at least they gain new support and actually make money. What you people don’t get is that if this movie fails the franchise on the big screen/TV is finally OVER. Enjoy your books because that’s all you’re going to get. This is the one aspect that I wish Trek fans were more like Star Wars fans. They actually support the vision, not complain ad nauseum about it and then “boycott” it based on a single design.
#172—” But canon or continuity aren’t really an issue here, are they?… You just can’t compare the two franchises (007 and Trek) with regard to continuity, it’s totally unimportant to the escapist action-adventure of 007.”
I agree that it is difficult to compare the two, but I also disagree that there are somehow clear continuity issues already apparent in this film.
The continuity or ‘canon’ with which you and I are so familiar is inherently relevant to the story. Everything that happened in previous incarnations of Star Trek (ENT-NEM) has to happen in order to lead Nero and his villainous cohorts to make a decision to alter the past. Therefore, those events depicted in TOS, for example, did happen—if only in another timeline than the one produced by the timeline incursion.
Furthermore, the existence and possibility of alternate timelines within the Star Trek Universe is in itself ‘canon’. With that in mind, how could anything that transpires differently in this “altered” timeline be considered in violation of continuity or ‘canon’?
It simply cannot.
The events in Kirk’s backstory, such as those depicted in “WNMHGB”, “Obsession”, “The Conscience Of The King”, and “Court-Martial”, are still relevant, since they must occur to get to the point where Romulans decide to take action to alter the past.
However, that does not mean that they will unfold in the same manner this time around (in the resulting alternate timeline). In fact, those events should ‘not’ unfold in the same way.
The attack upon the USS Kelvin in 2233 obviously alters alot of things, most notably (in regards to canon), Kirk’s path to command of the Enterprise requiring counteractive intervention on the part of Nimoy’s Spock.
Whereas the dialogue in “The Menagerie” may suggest that Kirk’s rwelationship with Christopher Pike was rather insignificant before, the fact that George Kirk apparently does something to distinguish himself in Pike’s eyes aboard the Kelvin this time around could very well change that relationship dynamic. Perhaps Pike takes a more signifcant interest in the young Jim Kirk and his potential.
In “A Piece Of The Action”, we learn that JTK is not very proficient in driving a stick-shift automobile. Perhaps the absence of his father (and the presence of the uncle we’ve all heard about) creates a set of circumstances where this young Jim Kirk learns to do that very thing. Obviously, if he were to find himself on Sigma Iotia II once again as before, he would have far less trouble adapting to that vehicle.
The point is, Bob and Alex have handed JJ Abrams an inherent (and rather large) loophole in Star Trek ‘canon’.
God this review is like watching fox new..Fair and Balance. When people trying to buy you, by having you just go down and see the trailer…what do you think.. You will give them a good review, because you want to be ask back over and over again for other events for this movie.
No one was ask you back if you give them a bad review, you think that they would talking to you if you gave a real review of what has been seen.
Wake UP! They are using you to get fan to go see this movie.
Yeah, the only thing that makes me nervous about the movie is Nimoy’s Spock interacting with this altered past. As much as I can’t WAIT to see him on screen again… his presence just raises all kinds of weird issues with the timeline.
It would have been SO much better if Abrams and his writers had ditched the time travel aspect and approached this as a simple reimaging of TOS.
It also would have made the movie a lot more accessible to newer viewers.
178
Oh please, Paramount knows the fans are going to see this movie no matter what. I doubt a good review of a TRAILER is going to affect that in any way.
Bob Orci: “We will make no excuses about bending canon. If you see the movie, you will either agree with our final solution, or you won’t. But it’s too early to tell right. Just hoping for an open mind.”
BaronByng:”… by ‘final solution’ you mean there’s something we have to see the movie to understand, right…? Something not evident in a bunch of movie stills?”
Bob Orci:”Yes on ‘final solution’ question”
(taken from the Enterprise Image thread)
179 – His presence doesn’t necessarily raise all kind of weird issues with the timeline. That Romulans destroy a starship that may originally had returned to Earth intact and without incident is a weird issue with the timeline, in Spock’s eyes.
This is all supposition we’re working from here, but with that altered reality (which very well could change the exterior/interior of Enterprise, as well as Kirk himself – BTW, I can’t believe people are wasting time and energy arguing on whether or not he can drive a frigging stick – life’s too short, people!), Kirk becomes a rebellious screw-up that probably would have ended up a drunk, trolling Iowa bars and regaling people with stories of how he almost made it into Starfleet, as opposed to being at the Academy, “positively grim”.
Spock, I’m sure, sees some kind of evidence in the 24th Century that something is not right, and pinpoints what happened somehow.
He’s gotta change it back himself, since the people in his time won’t know the changes. This alteration may even be a detriment to his own life, and the only way to save himself is to also save his friends’ lives along the way.
We have to wait and see the whole movie (not just the trailer on Friday, but the whole thing in May) and see what all this is about. It may even be like an original episode of “Mission: Impossible”, where if you tune in at the middle, you are not going to know what’s going on.
I feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing you were able to view the trailer, Anthony. Good for JJ!
I find the proposition that a teenaged Kirk can just about drive a stickshift at high speed in a straight line in this movie is totally incompatible with the FACT that he has a little bit of difficulty when he comes to try and drive another one of a considerably different design 20 years later which likely had a stiff clutch anyway.
I will therefore not go and see this movie but instead hide under my blanket.
#148
So let me get this straight, THX-1138:
We’re sheep because we’re willing to accept this movie on faith that Abrams will do his best to honor and respect Star Trek, and we’re not willing to taint our possible enjoyment of this movie with niggling criticism about miniscule details?
Well, then someone grab a crook and get your dog to guide me to the grazing area.
Here’s my take on all of this; whether you’re interested or not, do me the courtesy of hearing me out:
I know most people won’t agree with me on what I’m about to say, and that’s fine; you’re perfectly entitled not to. But, to be brutally honest, I can’t really see how Abrams’ alleged “reboot” could do any more damage to the Star Trek franchise than what’s already been done. These fan-extremists saying that Abrams is going to pound the final nail in Star Trek’s coffin must’ve been hunky-dory with Enterprise, or the Star Trek movies Insurrection and Nemesis, because I felt those particular Star Trek installments did a pretty good job of sealing the coffin shut. I thought Insurrection was an AWFUL movie, even worse than Nemesis. Most of Enterprise was a mess. By the time the writers realized that the fans were unhappy and scrambled to throw in a lot of TOS-inspired references to appease them, it was too late, and for the first time since the original series, a Star Trek series was cancelled by a television network.
The consensus seemed to be, by that time, that Rick Berman and Brannon Braga had driven the franchise into the ground, and I couldn’t help but agree. In my opinion, Star Trek was already dead at that point.
To paraphrase a line by Spock in Star Trek: The Motion Picture: Star Trek must evolve. To my way of thinking, Star Trek will not be able to grow as a franchise and reach out to a new generation of fans unless it becomes something more than it’s been. I know a lot of people would say that Star Trek should go to the future than the past for new material, but I have a hard time believing that a Star Trek movie or series set in the future of the current timeline would generate much more positive interest or attract the uninitiated. If Star Trek has any hope of maintaining any relevance beyond a faction of science fiction fandom and an oft-ridiculed segment of the pop culture lexicon, it needs to change, even if it means a radical metamorphosis, and J.J. Abrams’ take on Star Trek certainly seems to be just that.
It’s painfully obvious by now that his interpretation of Star Trek is going to displease a great many fans, but I’m willing to bet he knew this going into the project, and didn’t feel that the franchise had all that much more to lose. Those who loved the original Star Trek enough to object to his vision would still have their original Star Trek to keep sacred, and they could just treat this new movie like a Highlander 2, take a mulligan, and pretend it never happened. Those who love the new Trek could become a new and evolved generation of Star Trek fans that helped breathe life into an entity believed to be long dead.
I got told by a fan on one forum discussion of the “new original” Enterprise that I didn’t take my fandom of Star Trek seriously because I liked the new design and felt that people were being irrational in their negativity. This alarmed me. I’m a longtime Trekker. I’ve been a fan since I was 6 years old. When kids watched cartoons, I watched episodes of Star Trek. While other kids played tag or kickball on the playground at recess, I gathered a group of friends who liked the show and played pretend Star Trek (I was always Mr. Spock). I went to more conventions than I can count, and yes, I was one of those guys who went in costume from time to time. I’m not mentioning these facts to brag; I want to make it clear that Star Trek has been a significant part of my life since I was a child, and it still is at 34 years of age.
However, I don’t want to take it THAT seriously. I don’t want to let some set, ship, and costume design changes alter my enjoyment of this movie. I don’t want to allow Abrams’ take on Kirk, Spock, McCoy and the rest to dictate how much more or less I’ll love Star Trek. If I do that, if I let the new look of the original Enterprise, or Chris Pine’s blue eyes for Kirk, or the Kelvin’s registry number, or any other detail cause me to wring my hands in frustration and anxiety over Trek’s future, then Star Trek is no longer the fun and inspiration it’s been for me all my life. I can’t have that. I owe Star Trek more than that, more than it owes me for my years of devotion. I’m not talking about owing Abrams anything for his work; I’m talking about giving Star Trek a chance to live again, even if it means in an altered format.
For those who can’t do that, please, by all means, continue to take your fandom of Star Trek seriously, if that makes you happy. I’ll be over here, having fun.
Star Trek “canon” is a laughable concept. Gary Mitchell, Kirk’s best friend, doesn’t know that Kirk’s middle initial is T and not R? Give me a freakin’ break. Canon was changed episode to episode to fit whatever story they were filming that week.
I’m not too worried about canon. I want this film to entertain me. I think it will. The movies scale is much larger than previous trek films and should be very interesting. Can’t really judge it by a series of clips. I don’t trust studio suits but I have some hope with its production and direction. I will see the film and then and only then will I make up my mind to like it… or not.
Yeah, Kirk beter watch out… those Iowa cliffs can come right up on you… and there is just empty land leading right up to them…
errr wait. Maybe in the future Iowa is in Southern California.
For those of you who are not familiar with US topography, Iowa has NO cliffs, and EACH parcel of land, is sectioned and fenced off for farming. So if Kirk was driving through open land towards a cliff… it was definitely not in Iowa.
188 – Iowa around Riverside is hilly, and Bob Orci pointed out that by abyss/cliff it could very well be a quarry.
Sounds like a good trailer, now I just need to see it with my own eyes!
@186:
That’s exactly right. To my knowledge, the R for his middle name was there just because they hadn’t established that his middle name was Tiberius. If that’s not the case, anyone should feel free to refute me.
I have a similar argument with people who object to the fact that Chris Pine’s Kirk has blue eyes. They say things like, “Sacrilege! Kirk’s eyes are BROWN!!!” No, WILLIAM SHATNER’S eyes are brown; ergo, Kirk’s eyes were also brown. If it so happened that Shatner’s eyes were green, well then, Kirk’s would’ve bedn green. And for frak’s sake, does that really matter in the grand scheme of things? Sure, it’s a minor detail that could’ve been easily fixed with colored contacts, but the point is, it wasn’t necessary because it’s not significant to the story.
It’s these little canonical tidbits that have these Trek extremists’ panties in a bunch. The saucer strut’s too far back on the secondary hull! Well, holy frak, shut the movie down! Because heaven knows this movie can’t possibly endure based on writing or production quality, but rather the exact position of the Enterprise’s saucer strut.
@188:
I don’t live in Iowa, have never visited there, so feel free to discount me on this, but…
Couldn’t it be possible that in the future, if Starfleet felt a need to set up a giant starship construction facility in Iowa, they could clear out a sizable portion of land to fit their needs? More than likely this would create a cliff where there wasn’t one before, and TA-DA! There’s the explanation for Kirk driving up to a cliff and looking down on the Enterprise’s construction yard.
I guess my question is: why Iowa for the construction yard? Just because Kirk is from there? Couldn’t he be rebellious and law-breaking in San Francisco or somewhere else in California?
Just sayin’.
RE: ‘real trek fan’
Pick a new name, as I have noted before, no one has a monopoly on how to be a better fan than anyone else
And I am sorry you are so cynical to think that visiting a studio can change an opinion. this is not my first visit and I have been assured that regardless of what I write it will not be the last. I believe they are working with TrekMovie because we are the largest Star Trek site, just like LucasFilm work with TheForce.net and MGM works with GateWorld. That is just how the system works.
If i think the film sucks i will not refrain from saying that. I have yet to see something that makes me think it will suck. As noted, I have some questions and some concerns, but for now they are just that.
Well….looks like I’m going to the midnight showing of QoS.
this is no yur father’s Star Trek….everyday I get online to see if there’s more info on it.Sure..all the character’s are there, the uniforms look similar…but GEEZ…I get online today…and the one thing I’ve really want to see…The Enterprise….looks bastardized too hell…not going to go into any details about what looks wrong…dont want to type that much…..Paramount should fire them team that designed this shipwreck…but hey, that’s just my opinion….maybe the kids will like it and buy the toys…..yeah…I’ll still go see it, cause I love Trek….but I wanna bring my diamond select enterprise and hold it in front of the screen, everytime the show an exterior shot of that mess….just venting…thanks for all your hard work Anthony
Peace and long life
Well, after digesting all of this (the new E, trailer review, Cawley), I must say I’m still excited for the new Trek! I salute the Supreme Court for taking something like Trek and making it new and fresh once more.
192 – The Iowa City area lost out on the Saturn plant back in the late 1980’s, so this makes up for it :)
LOL … God, I remember how back in 79, the “die hard purists” said they were done with Trek and that the abomination on screen was NOT the Enterprise. That it was ugly and should not have been called Enterprise. “Why the hell did they change the nacelles!” LoL. Now everyone embarces it… saying that it’s so beautiful.
this is JUST LIKE THAT!
Oh… and all those fans ready to give up on Trek and said they will never see another movie.. Yeah, right ;)
@198 yeah I remember..but this thing…it’s just backside unattractive……does it have a special hold for lightsaber storage?
you can’t even see the backside of the enterprise in that picture. You really can’t make a fair assessment of it until you see different angles.
@200 …ref. backside unattractive i.e. butt ugly
i think when everyone sees the trailer, a lot of the doubters will change their minds… its the first time we’re gonna see the new Enterprise in action (rather than the EW photo), and it doesn’t look too different.
My only worry is the sex. Of the two issues discussed, here’s my take:
Kirk getting into bed with someone, hmm, I hope that’s just a quick shot in the film, or maybe someone disturbs him and his mistress immediately. Or it could just be part of the film where they show him to be the bad boy of Starfleet, maybe a montage of clips of him behaving badly.
Regarding Uhura, that’s more concerning. I’d hope it’s a scene where it’s actually her changing her clothes, which is a realistic possibility as 1.in trailer, its meant to be a quick shot, and 2.trailers are made deliberately misleading in order to get people to come and see the film. I’ve seen a few trailers where they’ve made it appear it includes a rowdy scene but in the actual film the scene doesn’t go any further
I think 1 of my 2 guesses (don’t know which, maybe Uhura?) will be proved correct come May.
I certainly want kids to be able to see Star Trek, because I grew up watching Trek with my parents and brother. I
think the film is finished, but if there is any unnecessary scenes, Bob Orci reads some posts, so he could always let JJ know, and perhaps shorten the scenes. Let’s not freak out just yet, there’s nearly 6 months to go
198. As for the Constitution Class Refit in TMP, it was an evolution of the design, they were not pretending it was the old lady exactly as it was on the TV show. As Decker has said : It´s a totally new Enterprise.
This one is pretending to be the old lady that we knew from the tv era.
I’m pretty much where Anthony is: “I have some questions and some concerns.”
The Corvette scene does cause me to pause. I have difficulty believing that anyone would save a 200+ gas-guzzling car and they’d manufacture some sort of fuel for it to run on. I really have no idea about the cliff situation in Iowa to be honest so I’ll let that one go…but I do have to wonder about ROADS to even drive on. I have to think that any equivalent in the future would be very different and not amenable to a 200 year old car. Just saying… And my stepdad has a Corvette and they are hard to get out of when parked in the garage, let alone jump out as it’s plunging over a “cliff” or whatever. ;)
“PLEASE don’t make this like the Enterprise forum”
….What the frack is the “Enterprise forum”?
let me be clear on the ‘questions and concerns’…I have not come to conclusions, that is my point. There are things out there that i just wonder about. I will write more about these things after I attend the ‘four scene tour’
I bet all you naysayers voted for McCain :)
I can’t wait until the trailer comes out so we can see – I cannot wait to see this with my own eyes, I’m so excited!
“Sci-fi action movie”. Star Trek is NOT an action movie. Call me snobbish and skeptical but I like ST:TMP for being a cerebral “true S-F” film concentrating on the scientific and theoretical approach of ST and not on huge starships in huge CGI battles. Sorry.
177: “The point is, Bob and Alex have handed JJ Abrams an inherent (and rather large) loophole in Star Trek ‘canon’.”
I agree with that, but I insist on the word loophole. Of course we can use the time travel scenario in the movie to justify each and every (potential) continuity problem. But that’s – I claim – not good story-writing. Good writing doesn’t use loopholes, it develops a coherent and plausible (well, plausible given the SF premise) story. I believe a well-written time travel story which involves changes into an alternate timeline should somehow explain how and why these changes occurred. (As it was in City on the edge of forever, for example. Or in ENT: Regeneration, where there was a clear explanation why Borg were unknown to Starfleet when Picard first met them and Archer could still encounter them in 2151.)
But to say: OK, the Enterprise is a different ship because of Nero’s interference, that seems to be a little weak as an explanation. Of course I don’t know the story of the movie, but I doubt that Nero will break into Starfleet’s engineering design division and change the plans of the Enterprise.
OK, there’s the possibility that Nero’s manipulations create an Earth-Romulan war and because of that a different Enterprise, a warship, is built. We’ve heard rumors about that. But when Nero’s manipulation is undone – as I suppose – why should the warship design remain? (Despite the fact that the ship on the image doesn’t look very warlike.) Or have they shown us an alternate Enterprise which will be undone? (I sure would hope so :-)
“I also disagree that there are somehow clear continuity issues already apparent in this film.”
There is one clear continuity issue which is obvious: Chekov. Shouldn’t he be a child or adolescent when Kirk is a young officer? I doubt Nero could somehow move Chekov’s birth.
And concerning The Menagerie: Kirk’s line ‘I met him when he was promoted Fleet Captain’ would indeed be very strange an answer to the Commodore’s question ‘Have you ever met Pike?’, if Kirk had served under Pike and if Pike was something of a mentor to Kirk. And wouldn’t the Commodore be aware the two know each other in the first place?
The more I hear about the Trailer the more Awesome it sounds!! Unfortunately “Quantum of Solace” does not open here in Australia until Nov 19th so I’m going to have to see it online first before I see it on the Big Screen. But it matters not. I just wanna see it!!!
@Anthony Pascale
Hey bud, having just seen the trailer I have to say I don’t know how you were possibly able to restrain your glee. It knocked my socks off…
I *still* don’t like the hospital-white interior of the ship, but other than that it blew me away. Based on the trailer, I’d say Abrams is indeed going to revive
the Trek franchise.
Vic
i didnt realize i restrained my glee.
LOL, what I mean is you were quite measured in your review – very non-fanboyish. :-)
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im just Speechlessss!!!! at one scene.. spock insignia was on the right????
I still remember all the excitement when the picture was released back when I was … much younger … when David Marcus held the knife over the floored Jim Kirk. In case no one else remembers this great excitment, the scene was never aired and probably wasn’t even ever filmed. So my advice to everyone is to wait about 3.5 years after this new movie comes out, and like Enterprise, eventually it will be good, too. And don’t judge a movie by its PR department, who is more likely than ever to feed us a bunch of crap off the cutting room floor.
Based on what I know about JJ Abrams and his writing team, I don’t have a lot of confidence. On the other hand, everything I have seen and heard so far give me confidence in the film. From the shots it looks like design-wise, they kept what they conceivably could and changed what they needed to. This is what ST has consistently done when jumping from small to big screen (ST: TMP and ST: First Contact) – remember how ST:Generations looked like television, and it suffered greatly. But it was rectified with big-budget uniforms and ship in FC. As for canon, like Kirk driving a stick – come on! This is a reboot. It’s akin to complaining that Michael Caine’s Alfred in “Batman Begins” doesn’t have a moustache! If that’s what we remember from the film, it means it’s a BAAAAAAD movie.
We forgave things like that in Batman Begins, or Casino Royale, because they were good movies. We forgave Nick Meyer pretending that Spock was incapable of lying (”I exaggerated”) in ST:TWOK because everything else worked. You can play with canon if it makes a better product.
All of this is to say, I feel good about the film at the moment. But, I felt the same way with Indiana Jones 4….and what a slap in the face that was….
TRAILER MUSIC INFO:
It seems that the music from the trailer is a mix between two songs.
1) “War Begins” by Brian Tyler from the soundtrack of Children of Dune
2) “Down with the Enterprise” by Two Steps From Hell
When the music kicks in after the car chase, it’s clearly from “Down with the Enterprise”, but as the song continues it begins to sound more like “War Begins” due to the pitch of the notes. The pitch of some of the notes in “War Begins” are slightly higher than those of “Down with the Enterprise” and the trailer appears to contain these higher pitches.
217. im just Speechlessss!!!! at one scene.. spock insignia was on the right????
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It appears that they have reversed that clip for the trailer. The still image we were shown before was a mirror image with the insignia on the left. I would imagine that you don’t have to worry about mistakes like that in the actual film.
All of you who are freaking out about the design of the Enterprise, uniform insignia, Uhura taking her top off, a sex scene, oh my and most hilariously the Vette….get over it!!
This is supposed to be a re-boot! A re-boot! If you want to see some bad acting (you know I’m right) and blue people go watch the original series.
Classics are classics. They are the first and the ground breaking. Do you want them re-done? Do you want just another episode of Star Trek? If you do my advice is to go do just that and watch the original series.
Be excited there is a popular, sought-after director and producer willing to take what was seriously a dying franchise and invest so much in it. Be excited we are not waiting 20 years after the last ST movie to get to see it again. If this does not do it for you then DONT GO SEE IT, PLEASE. You dont deserve to.
And good grief grow up. Do you think Uhura takes sonic showers with her go-go boots and skirts on? How do you know shes not about to shower after a tenis lesson? Did Kirk just take all those green ladies back to his place for a nightcap and handshake? Do you think there is no way a Vette cannot survive 200 or 400 or even 600 years to the future? Can one not be built? Who cares it was a really cool scene!!
Lastly, if you really want a piece of which is obviously plastic flying in front of some black construction paper with Christmas lights…..
Grow up.
Rock on new Star Trek. It’s gonna be awesome.
But, if it tanks, well, it tanks.
You boys can go watch Shatner take his shirt off in an old episde.
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Paramount clearly taking a leaf out of Universal’s book and reimagining a classic sci-fi – the new Battlestar Galactica absolutely rocks and smashes the original, a must see for anyone remotely interested in sci-fi.
But I can’t help but feel that they’ve cast a little young just to get the youth audience and make $$$. At least with BSG you have Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell giving balance to the youth – and the young cast are top notch.
I can’t imagine anything more ridiculous than a teenage ‘Captain’ Kirk and a teenage Spock taking command of a starship – can you? What happened to these tough manly heroes of old? Like John Connor in T3 – they look like wimps.
I have a massive smile on my face after watching the new trek trailer. Its like WOW! i was quite skeptical about this whole re-boot thing but it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when i saw the new spock, they have hit the nail on the head with the castingof spock and for me SPOCK WAS AND IS TREK, bones was number two and kirk third, i just wish they had managed to get matt damon for kirk and halle berry for uhura! After reading the posts here i felt a bit disheartened to read all this nonsense about the shape of the nacelles and the redesigned enterprise and colur of eyes and for gods sake stick shift!!? Come on guys did you really expect the original enterprise in all its glory? on widescreen? the wide square corridors? Common sense must dictate that if the original series creators had the money that the new movie is having thrown at it it, the old enterpise would have looked totally different as would the corridors and interior etc etc you should just be glad that a new trek is on its way to a big screen near you instead of moaning and griping about crap that really doesnt matter. the trailer looks awesome and my hopes are really built up now, ive been a fan of trek since i was 7 or 8 (42 now), i remember hiding behind the sofa when kirk met the horta, being moved by the city on the edge of forever by spocks ‘he knows doctor…he knows..’ (favourite episode ever) intrigued by the balance of terror, can carry on and on and clearly say that its never been about the look its always been about the characters and the emotions and the adventure, sure i love the old enterpise ncc1701, but i also love the subsequent 1701a, b, c, d, e and however many more incarnations there will be but my favourite will always be the refitted constitution class, the totally new enterprsie, it took my breath away in TMP, such beautiful angles…i loved the uniforms from TMP and hated them in subsequent movies but hey it was the stosries that were important the interaction between the characters those magic moments ya know….’i have been and always shall be….’ ‘jim you proceed from a false assumption…i am a vulcan…i have no ego to bruise’ ‘up yer shaft’ ‘this isnt reality…this is fantasy’ ‘my pain is who i am’ ‘i apologise for some of what i said earlier mr worf…you are the bravest man i have ever known’ what a moment! its like the way your heart aches after the end of the episode with datas daughter ‘dies’ or laughs when she picks riker up, kisses him and puts him down! or when the romulan defector commits suicide and finding out his efforts where all in vain ‘are u sure u wont change your mind?…is there soemthing wrong with the one i have?’ ‘one damn minute admiral’ its not easy to make a movie guys…give abrahms a break just be glad that we have a very good well respected director instead of some homeless guy they found on the sidewalk who doesnt know dip about movies like they are doing with the alien vs predator movies or the bond movies, when are they gonna realise that music palyed a huge part in the great bond movies, when will they get there heads out of there u know whats and bring back john barry, i nearly walked out of QOS it was sooo rubbish, poor photography, rubbish music, lets just hope that they get someone decent to do the music for trek now that Jerry Goldsmiths gone, what a genius that guy was….hope you manage to read this JJ.! MUSIC!!! VERY IMPORTANT, what MIGHT have redeemed the thunderbirds movie? ORIGINAL MUSIC! the music to the new trailer was fantastic…….the trailer was fantastic….the film looks FANTASTIC! remember the trailer…’for one quarter of a century they have thrilled us with their adventures…amazed us with their discoveries….and inspired us with their courage…their ship has journeyed beyond imagination….we have travlled beside them fromone corner of the galaxy to the other…theyve been our guides..our protectors and our friends’ well heres to the next quarter of a century of trek movies…..treks truly going to be with me from childhood to the grave, it has been my guide and my friend, ive laughed and wept with these characters and hope to do so with the new guys as well, yes its difficult to see anyone else doing bones or spock and kirk but bond fans can deal with it and so must we….think ive ranted on for long enough….wether its good or bad i’ll go see it…..if its good i’ll be filled with joy and go see it again and again if its bad i’ll weep tears of sadness and still go see it again and again ….im sure we’ve all thought we could make the best trek ever, for me the best books i ever read were the final reflection, the entropy effect, my enemy my ally and of course the prometheous whtachamacallits, ive often wondered why they were never made into movies and the reasons simple….its hard to please all of the people all of the time….one mans meat is another mans poison.Long live trek in whatever shape i can get it it! YES WE CAN!
I must admit I am a little annoyed by the trailer although I will certainly go to see the movie and risk being let down further. I could be pleasantly surprised.
But I don’t have quite the good feeling about it as I did when James Bond was redone. The trailer for the new James Bond movies caught my interest simply because they weren’t overhyped and Daniel Craig did a brilliant job bringing a new dimension to the Bond franchise.
This trailer for Star Trek is getting packed with the classic cliches of a low budget action movie…lots of explosions and sexy interludes…too sexy for Trek if you ask me. I was a little annoyed by the quick glimpse of desperate passion between Kirk and some woman (perhaps his first wife?)
This overplayed sex scene comes across as a little condescending…as if the producers from the Transporter movies are letting us know that they have hijacked the Trek movie, plan to have some fun with it and then leave it a wrecked franchise in their wake…kind of like the stereotypical beefcake guy kicks over a scrawny guy’s sand castle.
It really does feel like Trek meets The Transporter if you ask me….which isn’t an encouraging sign. The Transporter movies are a whole different genre altogether and you EXPECT cliches and wildly stupid stunts.
Trek had bizarre fight scenes…yes…but the characters and the stories made the series successful.
I really hope that Abrams will put out a more encouraging trailer in the coming months, because this latest one has me a little concerned that style is being favored over substance.
I will say that when this latest Spock isn’t looking like an orangatan on steroids, he imitates the older Spock’s mannerisms quite well….especially when he is materializing on a planet. He has the hunched over inquisitiveness down pat.
Kudos for THAT scene in the trailer at least.
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I saw the show Thursday it was great. I loved the way they pimped out the Enterprise. With the current cast they could do a new weekly series I hope they continue with some more movies first.
This was worst Peace of shit I every seen.
Warrning Spoiler alert*** Don’t read if want see the Film)
Aura and Spock an Item Give me a break..
Vulcan Destroyed..
Death Spock Mom
Kirk Dad is dead in 1st two mins..
They basic have said anything we knew about trek is dead..
This Movie Sucked…..