Trailer Update: Star Trek Preview Showing At Most Theaters November 14, 2008
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
In the wee hours of Friday morning we first got wind that some fans were not catching the Trek trailer their viewing of Quantum of Solace. Although it is clear that the trailer is showing at theaters throughout North America, TrekMovie estimates around one out of four (maybe as many as one out of three) screenings does not show the Trek trailer. TrekMovie has discussed this with Paramount and may have an explanation.
Enclosed, not attached
Sources at Paramount confirm that the Trek trailer was sent out with Quantum of Solace, but that it was ‘enclosed’ and not ‘attached.’ This is an important distinction with regards to trailers. An ‘attached’ trailer is literally on the same reel as the main film, making it almost a given that the theater run the trailer. This is done for trailers from the same studio as the feature film and why the Star Trek teaser trailer was seen at every showing of Cloverfield back in January.
However, MGM is the studio behind Quantum of Solace, so the Star Trek trailer (along with many other trailers, including one for Watchmen) are part of the package of trailers ‘enclosed’ with the Bond film. This is also standard practice. Apparently there are so many trailers ‘enclosed’ with the new Bond film, that some theaters are picking and choosing which ones to show.
Call ahead
Bottom line is that you will probably see the Star Trek trailer with your showing of Quantum of Solace, but there does not seem to be any pattern for which theaters are choosing to run it and which ones are not. Your bet bet is to call your local theater ahead of time.
Trailer Facts & Links (from previous article)
- Features voice-overs of Bruce Greenwood (Pike) and Ben Cross (Sarek)
- Music is not from the Michael Giacchino score, but edited by Giacchino from Brian Tyler’s score for Children of Dune
- New USS Enterprise is seen (in construction on land and in space), but the recently released USS Enterprise image is not from the trailer
- Will be available at apple.com and startrekmovie.com Monday morning at 10AM
- Will be featured on Entertainment Tonight Monday evening
- Trailer for Watchmen also premiering with Quantum of Solace
- TrekMovie review
- Descriptions: TrekMovie, Den of Geek, Empire Online and AICN
What did you think?
If you did catch the trailer, let your fellow fans know what you thought below (and vote in our poll). And maybe let your fellow Trekkies know who was showing it. And if they didn’t show it, let fans know what theater wasn’t showing it.
shaky cam versions?
As noted in the TrekMovie review, it is recommended for this trailer to be seen on the big screen. Otherwise, it will be online Monday morning in HD, so if you can’t make it to a theater, try to resist the urge to click those less satisfying cam links.
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Just got out of QoS in Fayetteville Ar. Definitely no trailer. Little frustrating. Luckily the movie was good. I was definitely not in a good mood.
whats happening for Britain? when are we getting to see this trailer
Greg
UK
Well all I can say is don’t look for it on 86st in New York, it’s not playing with
Quantum of Solace…and the 007 movie was not that good.
P>S. that is ANY theatre in Fay AR appears to be a no show for star trek… I did however see a preview for the new will smith movie…..YAY.
I saw the trailer at the Premiere Cinemas theater in Burleson, Texas. After reading all the “spoilers” and descriptions, I thought I’d be able to sit through the trailer and analyze it methodically. Boy, was I wrong.
I slid to the edge of my seat, grinning like a fool, and barely restrained myself from hooting and hollaring the whole way through.
Yeehaw!
I’ve watched QoS in The Netherlands.. No trailer!!!!
But, does anyone has a cam-version online..?!??!!?!??!!?
when will it come to european theaters?
Anybody know where it’s showing in las vegas?
007 movie was good. About on par with the decent ones.
HERE IS THE ENTIRE TRAILER, AND IT LOOKS GREAT!
http://aqua.mysfdb.com/video/ST_TRL2_Mr_Shaky_Cam.MP4
Going to see it in a few minutes in Kent WA south of Seattle. We’ll let you know when we get home tonight.
Holy Sh*t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
“Just got out of QoS in Fayetteville Ar. Definitely no trailer. Little frustrating. Luckily the movie was good. I was definitely not in a good mood.”
thanks for the warning. i live in Lowell AR and am waiting anxiously to see both the movie and the trailer.
No trailer here with Bond in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Yes I’m just a tad ticked off that I spent $22 to watch a movie on a Friday for the sole reason of seeing this trailer and it wasn’t there.
Bond however is GREAT. Much better than even the last one.
Kev
Okay, I JUST noticed something! If you pause the trailer on one of the scenes where you see the Enterprise, you will definitely see that we may be seeing more than one version of the ship. Tell me if I’m going crazy, but if you look closely at the struts for the warp nacelles, they are straight, just like on Enterprise we’re used to seeing (as opposed the the bent/curved struts on the pic of the new ‘retro’ Enterprise we’ve been looking at the past couple days.
Anyone else agree with me on that analysis??
My wife wondered why I wanted to see Bond, then after the Trek trailer ran she knew! She said, “I hate to admit it, but that looked pretty good.” Can’t wait for it to come online so I can analyze it better. After the two early Kirk scenes, everything was came so fast it was sensory overload.
Called ahead and made sure the Trailer was going to show in the showing I went to. The trailer was great. Can’t wait for Monday to watch it a few more times.
*** RED ALERT ***
Okay, I JUST noticed something! If you pause the trailer on one of the scenes where you see the Enterprise, you will definitely see that we may be seeing more than one version of the ship. Tell me if I’m going crazy, but if you look closely at the struts for the warp nacelles, they are straight, just like on Enterprise we’re used to seeing (as opposed the the bent/curved struts on the pic of the new ‘retro’ Enterprise we’ve been looking at the past couple days.
Anyone else agree with me on that analysis??
Please don’t download aqua’s version…their website is about to crash due to bandwidth issues.
OMG OMG OMG!!!
No, not straight. Curved, slightly, but curved.
“Voyager” will go down in history as a great man. Kid delivered.
I hope this wasn’t some ploy Paramount had to get us to see some wack Bond film!!!
#10
I am NOT following that link! If I have to wait and watch this thing online, I’ll be damned if I’m not watching it via Apple or the official site…!
Three more days is not that much more to wait…but it’s still killing me!!!
Yeah, you’re right.. I think my eyes were playing tricks on me. Just goes to show you that you shouldn’t judge based on one single camera angle.
#23
This wouldn’t be a “ploy” to get us to see Bond. Paramount has nothing to do with Bond. They have no interest in it at all, other than the fact that it is the movie showing right now that is likely to give their trailer the most exposure.
I followed the link and it’s NOT THERE!!! I’m dying here! DYING!!!!
too late…. everythings gone… sorry folks
Damn, either his server crashed or they took it down already, but for those of you that saw it…
…it was marvelous.
Crap on a monkey. I just went by the theater in Collierville, TN, and bought a ticket for the 10pm QoS– seconds after that, I ran into friends coming out of the movie and found out that the Trek trailer is not being shown. I still want to see QoS, but I am really bummed!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfstreetlight/3030211291/
go there its not the whole thing but WOW
someone bring this back!!!!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfstreetlight/3030211291/
As for “attached” versus “enclosed,” the Arclight Sherman Oaks (!!) still managed to mess up the previous trailer; I saw Cloverfield at noon on opening day, and no trailer was attached!!! :(
I feared a repeat today in Hollywood, at the Cinerama Dome, when I saw that my QoS screening (and doesn’t that sound vaguely Klingon) was in digital projection… I feared there wasn’t a digital version of the trailer.
But there was.
As for my response to it: Meh.
Let’s just say the audience – at the first show, Cinerama Dome, Hollywood, geeked up James Bond/genre fans – applauded after only one trailer – for Watchmen.
Star Trek – sound of crickets. And I understand why. Very little about this film felt like Star Trek. And it was all in such short bursts – like “MTV style times twelve” – that afterwards, I still wasn’t sure what I had seen.
There was also a lot of people in the theatre JUST to see the trailer, standing along the wall in front of the elevated seats in the back. They filed out after the trailers… studio types? I didn’t recognize any Supreme Court members, although they struck me as likely candidates to be there, checking reactions.
I really hope TNPTB (The New Powers That Be) take a look at the audience response to this trailer — and adjust the marketing accordingly. There was very little “majesty” or grandeur… and even less of the characters, which is the whole reason to remake Star Trek to begin with.
How do I split an Mp4 file in half?
I got to see the trailer today as I work with a local theater. It truly is awesome. The special effects are incredible! The Enterprise looks so good on the big screen. The bridge and other ship sets look good. The intensity is there for sure to scream Epic!
If you had doubts before, this will change your mind. Any guesses on how long it will be before someone posts a pirate version?
i repost my spoilers from the older thread here.
SPOILERS
the new transporter effect is swirling sparks.
klingons have movie foreheads.
corridors are white and curved.
there is a giant red arthropod monster.
one scene is mirror-inverted :D
the enterprise pylons are curved inwards :S
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfstreetlight/3030211291/
Arrrrr.
WOW. This movie is going to kick some series a$$. The trailer looks great! My wife watched it with me and even she thinks it is something she’d like to see.. and she doesn’t like Trek. Way to go JJ!
I’m fairly certain Quick Time Pro will allow an MP4 to be split.
Interesting! Haven’t seen the trailer yet but the use of Brian Tyler’s score from “Children of Dune” is intriguing for a couple of reasons:
1. I believe parts of it were also used for an extended 5 minutes supertrailer for the first Narnia movie back in 2005.
2. Brian Tyler started his mainstream career working on the second season of a certain series called “Enterprise” (“Regeneration” was one of the episodes he scored)
3. “Children of Dune” is one of the scores ever composed.
4. Not using original scores has been done time and again. Te most impressive example certainly was the use of Clint Mansell’s “Requiem For A Dream” cues in the trailer for “LOTR: The Return of the King”…That one ruled!
No, there are not two versions of Enterprise. One of the ships is the Kelvin! What player do I need to watch mp4-files!?
So, I’ve tried to call my theater, but I can’t get past their damned automated system and talk to a real person.
RE: 571. Spanish Brock
(On other Trailer thread)
“… hoping they show the trailer at the Uptown in DC!”
I lived in DC for about 8 years (from early 1998 to mid 2005) and I LOVE the Uptown! It is one of the best theaters in the country! I hope for your sake it’s on!
I was going to go to the Majestic Bay here in Seattle to see the 4:30 show, but something came up and I could not get free until just now (about 5:00). However, I will try to go tomorrow.
And FYI to all of you in the Puget Sound Area… I’ve called and confirmed that they ARE showing the trailer.
@42 trekmaster – Quicktime plays mp4, and quicktime pro edits them
The trailer was playing on the Bond film at the various theaters in Grand Rapids, Michigan including Studio 28, the largest free-standing theater complex in the world. Sadly we won’t be able to enjoy the film when it opens in May as this theater will be closing on November 23rd… permenantly.
can someone who has got the ST_TRL2_Mr_Shaky_Cam.MP4 , verison please upload it to peer to peer network or something ?
http://deck-one.org/forum/index.php?topic=1036.new#new
I’m working on it, but I have a preview of over half right here.
#voyager you need a program called HJSplit.exe do a google search
Can anyone else confirm that? Don’t want to go downloading strange programs.
Dateline…Tampa…Jus got back from QOS…seen the trailer, looks pretty damn cool…very fast paced..can tell you this…on the new bridge there are 2 of those pedastal/ podium things that we’ve seen in the pic with Kirk in the chair…one to eack side of him.
futality is resistable
the mp4 will run on quicktime.
I jjuat watched the trailer. Holy Shit! This movie is going to kick a$$
Wherever young James Tiberious Kirk was driving that Corvette, it sure didn’t look like Iowa to me.
#voyager ive been using it for years, its a commonly used video splitter its only a small program too
I’d like to see the full version of the trailer… :-|
You know, none of the descriptions and reviews do the trailer–and, I suspect, the movie as well–any justice. You just have to see it. It’s mindblowing!
A former co-worker, who had grown up with TOS, once told me how The Wrath of Khan showed him all that Star Trek could be. I think Abrams’ rendition of Trek will have that same effect.
i’ve seen it now. people might flame me for saying this, but the first 90 seconds of the trailer haven’t been so impressive… Using all those extra fast cuts, its like they’re trying too hard, in order to appeal to the wider non-trek audience.
That police officer’s costume, oh dear… thats the type of thing that i am gonna get mocked for by my non-trek friends
And i’m not buying Urban as McCoy yet, that quote doesn’t sound like McCoy, it made me cringe. (btw, mccoy was my fave). i always felt he was more cynical than that
Is there a lot of mining in Iowa? That didn’t look like a natural canyon.
Holy Moly!! Just watched “funny girls”…That trailer is so freakin’ incredible!!! This is not just the best Trek movie ever! It’s going to be the best MOVIE ever! If you look around the web, the mainstream no-fans are EXCITED! Great directing, bad-ass SFX…not too sure about Nero yet…he still looks like Shinzon 2.0…but then, Shinzon wasn’t the problem with NEM…
i’m wondering if some theater managers are basing if they run the trailer or not on their prejudice against star trek :(
58 , whats wrong with the police officer costume ? its a sci fi movie , have you seen the costumes in any sci fi movie in the last 10 years ? pretty much in line i think ?
Kind of clever, if you think about it. Trek fan goes to one screening of QoS, doesn’t see the trailer and goes back in the hopes of catching it. Kah-ching for everybody!
#58: That police officer seems to be an A.I…Or Lord Vader got a new job…RoboCop anyone?
I’m uploading to vimeo right now.
58 – “And i’m not buying Urban as McCoy yet, that quote doesn’t sound like McCoy, it made me cringe. (btw, mccoy was my fave). i always felt he was more cynical than that”
Wait…Urban’s McCoy isn’t cynical enough? “Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness in silence.” Sounds pretty damn cynical to me! (And perfect!)
Did I see a split second of the new transporter beam effect in a scene with young Spock?
I thought it looked pretty good and I’ve been Trek fan since 1966
Ok, that new transporter effect looks pretty darn cool! Swirly lines going all over the place
I just saw the Bond film… Including the TREK trailer!!! Very Cool. You can always tell if the movie is going to be good or a real stinker by what is shown in the trailer. If you watch a trailer and it feels like you’ve seen all the good stuff, the the movie will stink… With the new Trek trailer, it was just enough to let you know that you havn’t seen nothin yet!
squeeeeeeee! :DDDD fantastic!!
well they flimed at Vasquez Rock = so this movie is going to be amazing
WOAH, i wasn’t expecting that at all – this trailer freakin ROCKS!
I have a trailer discussion going on here as well:
http://deck-one.org/forum/index.php?topic=1038.msg48016#new
I think it’s pretty cool, but not quite the Trek I grew up on . . . .
Can’t wait to see the second half of it. Thanks for everyone who recorded it, your illegal activity does not go unappreciated! =)
And I thought, from the one line of dialog I heard, that Urban was great. I was totally shocked when they said he’d be playing McCoy. I think he’ll pull it off well
Holy Shit! finally Trek is back and it feels so… real :) and im glad that it doesnt have that weird 60′s feel on it.
This is going to be so much better than the crap we’ve had to endure in the last few attempts at Star Trek.
31
WOW. That was the most GEEKTASTIC, JAWDROPPINGLY COOL thing I’ve seen in years!!!!
I wasn’t really sure about this idea of turning Star Trek into an action movie at first… but man, after seeing that I couldn’t be more thrilled.
Very nice, color me extra excited! Just waiting for the full thing to show up now.
So the Kelvin is fighting the Romulan ship – is it me or is that thing massive? The Kelvin certainly has a bit of firepower packed into it, just from what we saw there.
And they kept the red alert sound. ;)
what happened to all the bitching and complaining of the last couple of days???
Check this out:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfstreetlight/3030211291/
66.
Wait…Urban’s McCoy isn’t cynical enough? “Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness in silence.” Sounds pretty damn cynical to me! (And perfect!)
hi paul, i had a think about it, and i think what i loved about mccoy was that he was like an everyday guy, especially the way he spoke. the quote from the trailer isn’t something someone would usually say IMO, especially “danger wrapped in darkness in silence”… thats not everyday language, thats too scripted
on other hand, some of his quotes like from ST3, “are you just gonna walk through them?” [re: space doors], “that green-blooded son of a b*tch” etc. all sound like something spontaneous from an everyday guy
—-
one thing i didn’t say was that Quinto looks brilliant, and I can’t wait to see Kirk provoke him into that attack
Amazing… even that incomplete cam version brought some tears to my eyes. I’m so glad they made this film. Amazing.
Just saw the trailer and it was very powerful!
Fast paced, almost subliminial in the way the show the action sequences.
If the movie is consistent with what I saw in the trailer, then very few will be disappointed; however, I foresee some pretty strong debate on canon issues. Especially with Kirk witnessing the construction of the Enterprise. I personally don’t see it as a big deal, but many fans will undoubtedly question Kirk’s age and the chronology of the chain of events in the movie. Like I said, to me it’s no big deal . . . it’s science fiction.
I was not disappointed at all in seeing Kirk and Spock portrayed by new actors. I believe that Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto will be immediately accepted as the new players to the Star Trek icons.
Saw Quantum of Solace. Personally disappointing to me compared to Casino Royale.
Ciao Tutti . . . .
All this talk about the TRAILER has tricked the Google ad on the right side of the page of my computer to be for a company called “TrailersPlus” .
… the sell trailers for cars and trucks! LOL!
…dumb computer!
;-)
@81
LOL! XDDD
I used to be a projectionist and this tends to happen. You crack open a case and inside are several “enclosed” trailers. I didn’t always attach these “enclosed” trailers to the trailer reel that runs in front of the movie. At the theater I worked for, the company gave you a list of trailers that you attach. In the case of a major movie like Bond, you typically have multiple prints of the film. To maximize advertising you tend to attach different trailers to different prints.
So if the theater you go to has 2 prints of Bond, Star Trek may be attached to one print and not the other. Fortunately, I picked the right theater and saw the Star Trek trailer last night :)
Hope this explains how a trailer could be enclosed but then not end up on the print.
Bootlegged trailer is here. Unfortunately it cuts off before the end:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfstreetlight/3030211291/
THIS IS NOT A RICK ROLL!!
Yay!!! ;-)
Huh. Anyone else notice Quinto-Spock running down a rock slope with Amanda and (I think) Sarek? It certainly was Winona Ryder — could anyone tell if it was young-Amanda or old-Amanda?
note the morror inverted scene :D
However the new Trek time line plays out, I’d say that the cop is a offspring from the third world war scenario they always refer to in classic Trek. Just like the Cops of now resemble shock troopers on the battlefield. This film may take us to a re-birthing stage of human endeavor after the 3rd global conflict . If this has already been discussed , I never came across it. Just barfing ideas off the top of my head.
Peace
83. — Fair enough, and you’re right, McCoy is the ol’ country doctor, more down to earth…BUT…(hehe)…
He has been known to say such things as, “In this galaxy, there’s a mathematical probability of three million Earth-type planets. And in all of the universe, three million million galaxies like this. And in all of that… and perhaps more, only one of each of us.”
And (to Spock), “You’ll never know the things that love can drive a man to. The ecstasies, the miseries, the broken rules, the desperate chances, the glorious failures and the glorious victories. All of these things you’ll never know, simply because the word “love” isn’t written into your book. Good night, Spock.”
So, he does wax poetic now and then, and “Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence” is just the kind of cynical thing I can hear him saying to a starstruck young Kirk.
This is so great! We get to debate our old, classic friends again after too many years of spinoffs and ripoffs!!!! I feel…young!
50
HJSplit is very cool. I’ve used it for years as well, was really great back in my Usenet days…
I dont think the producers have miss-sold us… sure, this isnt a perfect prequel, but it will sit in front of the existing material for most people, only the hardcore canon sticklers are going to throw their toys out of the pram, most of us can use a little bit of SOD and just appreciate that this franchise is getting an enormous, and what looks to be awesome reinvigouration.
HUGE favour to ask! For those of us with antique computers, could someone please take some screencaps of scenes from the trailer and save them as JPGs so that we can at least have a sense of what the rest of you are watching!
Thanks in advance! :-)
http://deck-one.org/forum/index.php
Site of the new trailer.
but like i consider myself a cannon head , well i guess i am not hardcore , cause i mean its set in part of trek history where not alot is known so i think i can live with it , i mean i am wondering how they will do the romulan thing ? and that new enterpise is not the one pike is using in the cage , but as long as its good star trek again , i can live with it, plus i love how trekkie aways come up fandom way to explain all the nitpicking mistakes , so it will be fun to see how ideas people have about the different stuff in the new movie
I hope the Klingons are not the Neanderthal Barbarians that Berman & Co. turned them into.
http://www.trailerspy.com/trailer/1329/Star-Trek-Trailer
Star Trek lives again in full glory!
Brad.
Ahhh, thanks. :D
Yep, 9 o’clock before I got to see it.
I was close.
“Is there a lot of mining in Iowa? That didn’t look like a natural canyon.”
Remember this is a post nuclear war Earth…I would imagine that some locations would look very different than they do now. Also, think of what your hometown looked like 250 years ago. I know in my hometown the Native Americans were farming and keeping an eye on the encouching colonists…
Quick note: The Uhura-taking-shirt-off scene isn’t a gratuitous bra shot. You actually see Kirk underneath something (the bed?) peeping at her. Not sure what the story is there…
Trailer sched’d to be on Entertainment Tonight on Monday.
high quality full trailer here
http://www.trailerspy.com/trailer/1329/Star-Trek-Trailer
thanks to trailerspy, aqua, and voyager
Make more links everyone, it takes only moments to be shut down!!
Bumpy-headed Klingons? THIS IS A DISASTER!! OMFG!! FIRE THE CANON CANNON!
OMFG! This movie looks AWESOME! I think all of the naysayers are going to be eating their words. Especially liked the TOS sound effects (red alert klaxon) I hope there are more in the movie. The story behind Spock looks especially interesting, or should I say FASCINATING!
I want a cammed version with a cheering audience.
thank god i watched bond cuz im a bond fan.im in the uk.thank god i went to see bond.i hope trek is better than the all action no script .cuz i will just own a nice eefects ilm light show.tho i got faith in pegg.he will be ok
QUICK FOLKS!
Both links above totally work. Gotta admit, the Enterprise looks MUCH MORE convincing in motion/action! Very intriguing, to say the least!
I thinbk I just fizzbinned all over myself… What a rush!
The trailer wasn’t shown at the midnight showing at the theater at the riverside plaza in riverside, california.
the links do work…and its appreciated
who saw sulu sword fighting in an evo suit?!
btw high quality? dont think so lol not yet
I had to leave the 10:15 show of Quantum of Solace here in MA after the previews since it wasn’t attached. Therefore, I went to the 10:45 and, lo and behold, it was the second trailer, and i was caught offguard by the Vette.
But, holy damn, what a trailer! Only whetting my appetite for more! Too bad it was attached to such a sub-par Bond film.
OK — I’m sold.
Star Trek has NEVER looked this good!
Early congratulations to JJ Abrams, Robert Orci and crew!
I just wanted to thank the people that got the trailer up for us to see. I know there’s been a lot of …colorful comments/views on this topic, but not all of us could go and not all of us want to spend money on a movie we may not be interested in just to see the trailer there. Or for those who had to work, or didn’t have the money or went and didn’t get to see it, etc. Again, I just wanted to thank you. I, at least, appreciated it.
N.
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Thanks! That other one on flickr was missing 30s.
http://deck-one.org/forum/index.php?topic=1040.0
I saw the trailer at a theater in Plano TX. When I got to the theater I asked if the trailer is being shown. They said the trailer is not shown with the digital theater but only in the 35 millimeter theater. So I wait an extra hour until that one started. The trailer is Sweet!
It looks so gorgeous.
104.
Quite possibly Kirk behaving badly, which leads to him not being allowed onto the ship (later resulting in McCoy infecting him)
Wow, that trailer has me giddy with excitement! Can’t wait for the high quality one.
Uh. Wow, it definitely is different from what I expected. Seeing Spock go ape shit is a little weird, but, it’s ok. The white everywhere isn’t going to age very well, kind of like the interiors in TMP, but, if it jump starts interest in Trek again, who am I to complain? I just want more Trek! Also, the creature looked cool. Always thought Star Trek needed less bipedal humanoids. Also whats with the weird blue space suit Kirk is wearing towards the End. Also, not a big fan of the Black, non-essential personnel thing Kirk is rocking, but I guess that’s the point. Also, is anyone else getting a kind of “Starship Troopers” vibe? That really is the only thing that concerns me. Viva La Trek!
ILM just opened a hole can of effects all over my face , why did the ships in saw ……the lastest star wars movies look that bloody good , genius pure and simple
Wow. I totally forgot about that giant insect thing.
104 – I don’t think Kirk is peeping at Uhura at all. We see him crawling under something, then we see her. That’s all–no indication of him peeping.
I could be wrong, but I hope not; the idea of Kirk becoming a “peeping Jim” bugs the crap out of me.
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Good point. I’m just glad it wasn’t a Californian “Iowa”.
107 ArtooDetoo100 — Thank you for posting that link! OMG! That was amazing!
I am sold — SOLD! — on this new movie, the new design, everything! All the fan mods can now go in the circular file… this is IT! Whew!
Here too
http://www.vimeo.com/2246656
Looks good, a BIG round of applause to Voyager!
If you watch closely toward the end you’ll see Kirk in Gold with 3 stripes on his shirt sleeve.
Can anyone upload the mp4 file to rapidshare, megaupload or similar?
THX!!!!
Ok. Seen the Trailer here in Austin and it was fan tastic. great Fx and the Big E looked Awsome. Loved the Red Alert Klaxen. Now I just can’t wait to see the Movie. I must get to the Terran Time Ship and time warp to May so i can see the Movie. This looks Fantastic and I have Been a Trek Fan since 1976 When i was about 7 years old.
You can DL the .mp4 from the vimeo link.
Happy Birthday to Me!
It was soooo nice to be able to see the new Trek trailer today! What a showing, I mean…….it’s almost to good. Well, Trek could never be too good….but damn………IM lovin what I’ve seen so far!
All I can say is…
New Enterprise from the front?
THAT’s the girl I remember falling in love with. ;)
The only downside is that the trailer is a bit “Phantom Menacey” in the whole “you are destined for something greater” tone, but that’s the nature of the beast when it comes to trailers. Trailers are inherently misleading, they distort the narrative line and suggest falsehoods through juxtapositions. I seriously doubt Kirk is spying on Uhura or about to bed her. It’s probably two different scenes: (1) Kirk crawling under something, maybe a bed, and (2) Uhura taking her top off to simply change or get it on with someone else before going away on a long mission.
Full Bootlegged trailer is here:
http://www.vimeo.com/2246656
Quality is fairly good and THIS IS NOT FAKE OR A RICK ROLL!!
I just can’t wait until Monday to download it in Glorious Quicktime!!
I saw it.
This is going to be a terrific movie.
Ignore the trekkies that are sniveling about it.
It seems to be like a big action movie. Trailers can be deceptive, but this one is looking big. And I´m with the ones who dislike the new Enterprise.
But the trailer looks fantastic.
Thanks for the guy who posted.
I’m not entirely convinced that the robot cop part will even be in the movie… it could be just for the trailer….
whose the woman screaming at the end? Kirk’s mum?
The new warp effect looks much cooler than anything in any of the other movies. This looks much more natural…and actually more like what I would have done for the effect were I given the reigns.
These look to be the best visuals of any Trek. If the entire film holds up like the quick shots in this trailer, then I would not be surprised to see this film nominated for an “Outstanding Achievement in Visual Effects” Academy award.
“You can DL the .mp4 from the vimeo link.”
SWEET JESUS, HOW???
I just saw Quantum of Solace AND the Star Trek trailer in Waterford, CT. The trailer was amazing. there was a ton of action for a trailer, and the music was great too!
Thanks Voyager!!!
Seemed like a second Teaser to me, not a full theatrical trailer
Maybe we’ll see more before May?
Seriously… thanks to the bootleggers and uploaders…
btw, regarding my earlier comments about the cop, i’m unsure as to why his facemask looks like he got it from a scrapyard, and secondly why does he talk like a robot?
150:
Um… because he IS a robot?
#150
when I first saw the trailer I assumed the cop was a robot…didn’t cross my mind that it’s human
I LOVE THE NEW TRANSPORTER EFFECT!!!!!!!!! (has accident in pants!!)
Interesting trailer. Incredible visuals. Very Star Warsy and even a little Starship Trooper.
Hopefully the movie will give me that “TREK” feeling- we’ll just have to see…..
nevermind, you have to create an account. then you can get the mp4
Is it just me, or do the hallways of the “e” look like the rebel blockade runner…?
Use the vimeo url at http://clipnabber.com/ to DL
Looks amazing, waiting for the HD version on Monday now
I saw the trailer. Everything went by very fast, and by the time your mind locks on one image, three have slipped by. After QoS, my wife and I tried to put as much of what we had seen together, out of the pieces we could remember, and we both agreed, it doesn’t look anything like any other Star Trek film, in a good way. IT TOTALLY ROCKED! Any doubts I may have let creep into my head have been set aside. I’m already aching for more! Bravo, J.J. and Co!!! And, bravo, 007! Awesome film!
Just got back from Quantom of Solace. The trailers was on our print.
IT WAS EPIC!
Star Trek has never, I mean never, looked this epic. It was on a completely different level than any other trek film, that has ever came before it. And from what little I saw during the trailer, you can tell “real” money has been spent on this movie. And it looks damn good.
QoS was good too, but that trailer was awesome…..So yeah I’m going to QoS again tommorrow morning before work just to see that trailer again.
I am just scared that the trailer puts our expectations way too high… because that was absolutely AMAZING. thanks for the bootleggers (went to see QoS in NYC–no trailer).
when Kirk says “buckle up” in the new trailer, he is indeed wearing the command gold……YEAH!
I think I’m sorry I ever doubted this film. That’s a great trailer!
Tears came to my eyes just watching that crappy incomplete upload.
The Kirk/Spock dynamic is obviously more “edgy” and Pike takes on a father role for Kirk, which is quite different than what we know from TOS.
New Sarek’s voice, as he takes over from Pike and perfectly narrates the Spock dynamic, nails it home that this is a character story which brings two conflicted individuals together who need each other to to act as a superior whole. Both Kirk and Spock can choose easy lives, or “choose the danger,” and make something of themselves
McCoy is spot-on, frightened out of his wits in space.
I hope the film lives up to this trailer, because it’s just f*cking great.
ODSST:
Orbital
Drop
Star
Trek
Trooper
I love it!!!
Thanks for the Vimeo link
WOW
Funny, it never crossed my mind that the cop might be a robot. The way it moves is obviously human; the mask probably changes the voice, maybe to make cops anonymous or something like that.
Question for y’all: Is that Amanda on Spock’s arm at the rocks? I’m thinking it is, and possibly Sarek behind them. Not sure, though…just a “could be.”
The women onboard the Enterprise wear skirts and run around “mirror” floors. Where can I enlist into Star fleet?
He, he.
well, well, well. i’m impressed! extremely impressed! did anybody else get chills running down their spine? can’t wait to see the trailer in the theatre! the enterprise looks a lot better in the trailer than in the photo
My thanks to all those at deck-one who got the trailer up. This IS Star Trek.
The music, the imagery, familiar but also new and exciting.
By George I think he’s got it!
Thanks JJ
Sorry. ODSTT :-)
I don’t know how you can follow that much violence with “Star Trek” honestly.
Frankly, both depictions of “sex appeal” in what we can see there is grotesque. Its just an attempt to capture adolescent males, and probably came from a writers meeting where the producers snickered back and forth.
Spock looks good, interesting that they chose to pancake the story of spock into one movie and have him “come of age” within such a short time frame.
Urban and Pegg are suprisingly not annoying me. I was really worried that Peggs “Shaun of the Dead” would stick out, and that Urbans “Reaper” or something like Riddick would come piercing through, but he does seem to have some of McCoy in him.
With that said im not a fan of the Enterprise redesign, its front heavy and lop sided. I am not anti new trek. I just happen to dissagree with the design change. Too front heavy = not aesthetically presentable, to me. She’s supposed to be long and graceful, like a woman swimming in the sea. Thats just me though.
Some of the visuals remind me of Firefly/Serenity… Not that there’s anything wrong with either. I just don’t think the wobble cam fits
The trailers pace is a little too finger snapping. Star Trek is an adventure series. This seems to be playing it for exploitive action. I imagine this is simply deception to get people into the seats, and that the movie will have more depth than appears here.
Ah well. Iook forward to a better quality release on… Monday is it?
I wonder what Nero means by “the wait is over”….plot wise…..any ideas?
it´s great we don´t get to see old spock in the trailer!!! builds a lot of anticipation!!!
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http://www.vimeo.com/download/video:86171051?e=1226720666&h=cee51bf3a76d3627778e53691b194059
#131 & 139 – snagged it as a .flv file from my temp folder – thanks! WOO HOO!
Trailer is awesome! Thanks guys who uploaded! Now I gotta wait another what six, seven months? Aw smeg.
oh… very very interesting… noted the glimpse of the transporter effect that we get when we see young spock kneeling on some kind of slope?
But that cop… that COP … really looks like a cross between some random star wars baddie and RoboCop – good golly…
All in all very very unlike the Star Trek I’ve known and VERY VERY unlike TOS… except the uniforms… uhmmm… I’m still full of hope, though…pretty… much… KIRK OUT.
I think its awesome, but I really want to see Leonard! :) The trailer is great and I am so excited to see this flick! :)
Kigs
#172: “At last we will reveal ourselves to the Federation. At last we will have revenge.”
;)
That was absolutely amazing! Thanks to all the bootleggers (I hope they’ll have it in German cinemas real soon, but for now, I’m waiting for Monday’s HD release)…
the cop is neither a robot or human. its one of nero’s henchman trying to kill JTK.
If you sign up on vimeo you can DOWNLOAD a 1280×720 HD Quicktime version (106mb).. High quality bootleg i say :D
#171
I’m thinking this trailer is an attention grabber, people are now paying attention. The next trailer would pace differently as to set the plot.
Did anyone think “Yesteryear” from TAS when they saw young Spock?
Amazing trailer. As Leonard Nimoy said not too long ago, this movie is going to be huge. This is not my daddy’s Star Trek.
Playing both sides, I Hope it is NOT like a typical Jerry Bruckheimer type film and be over the top dizzy. There needs to be pauses to digest content.
This film as early as this trailer is, might take 2 or 3 viewings to assimilate. How tragic!
I saw a trailer to STXI (with cast members etc) at the Star Gratiot theater.
#179
Where is that quote from, or it it a guess?
All I have to say is….DAMN.
It’s not really Star Trek, though..
But, Daniel Craig isn’t really James Bond, but he works in a really good movie. And the new Battlestar Galactica isn’t really Lorne Green and John Colicos, but truthfully, it’s better than the original.
Will this be better than TOS or any of its followers? Yes, and no. But, it looks like it’ll make for a damn fine movie.
Damn.
Just posted some screen caps to ye old site josephdickerson.com – will try and add more… Enjoy!
/SQUEE!
Darth Maul says it in The Phantom Menace.
took some screen grabs and threw them online for you to oogle/dissect. i am :) some of the crew, some of the big E. enjoy!
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Two things I noticed from the trailer:
1) The Enterprise looks FANTASTIC from the front-on view
2) The Kelvin has the TOS Enterprise impulse engine design. Just a unique design feature that really stuck with me.
Also, the beaming and warp effects are phenomenal. A+++ for this trailer!
#190
well I guess that proves that I’m not a Star Wars fan, eh!…
Galaxy Theaters in Monroe, Washington does not have the trailer. They say it was not sent to them. Thanks to the AMC Theater in Woodinville, Washington for sneaking me into the 5:15p show to see the trailer. Did not stay for the movie. Not sure what that will be like on a smaller screen. It is cut so fast, I agree with everyone saying it MUST be viewed on the big screen.
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YES!
Just came back from Quantum of Solace in Fresno, CA. Loved Trek preview! It’s a surprise.
114 Data –
I’m seeing it tomorrow at the Tyler Galleria in Riverside with a gaggle of fellow members from IFT chapters Ulysses and Churchill. We have confirmed with the manager that the trailer is playing there.
awright, that trailer is kickin’ some serious shiite…
simon makes a great monty scott, he has that doohan smile down pat
i’m guessing that older fellow in command gold is chris pike?
the 1701 interior sets still seem much too euro-boutique to me, i had hoped for more battleship grey, and not so much gloss and shine…
i cant believe they’re building the whole ship on the ground… major hull components, sure, then assembled in orbit…
but i suppose the craft can withstand the shearing forces of crossing the ftl barrier, it can easily take a 1g stress… unless they’re building the thing within a structural integrity field? suspensor support scaffoldings? why not.
but that shipyard doesnt look like san francisco to me…
i wonder if thats the new transporter effect we see spock materialize in?
way different, and very cool, if so.
nice 23rd century johdpurs on that android cop… sweet antigravity harley davidson, too!
i bet that scene with the shuttles is the 1701 hangar deck, looks like the inside of the goodyear blimp hangar in akron…
quinto looks a little too water-fat to be from a desert planet, nimoy had a great, gaunt look… still does. i think pine looks more like shatner in real life than he does in this film.
the 1701 corridors look alot like the nx-01, which is cool, though much more luxurious and gleaming… like a trendy dance club.
still cant get over that construction contract number for the kelvin… why a 0? the footage of the spacecraft is superb, the remastered TOS should have had the old 1701 look as convincing.
a debt of thanks to all who took the time to shoot and upload the trailer! thank you!
I used that “Clip Nabber” link to download the file (.flv file), but when I did it, it played the trailer back with no sound.
That cop is a BOUNTY HUNTER!
LOL
westminster, md regal cinema has the trailer and in my opinion it was very good.
it was sad that there were a few growns in the audience when they saw they words star trek ppear at the end of the clips.
like i have said befeore and will say again… Paramount has a lot of selling to do to win over the masses.
You said it, #189. Star Trek has officially become nothing more than another SFX extravaganza with juvenile writing. So much for the vision or the idealism.
I just got back from the trailer, it was great, they also included a James Bond movie with it. What a bargain!
It was really grand. I was a bit of a doubting thomas, but I have to say, top notch!
The Trailer is AMAZING! Wow and wow! All hail J.J.!
It should be the best Trek since First Contact. The trailer is a real blast.
I saw the boot of the trailer. I’m still shaking.
In the Iowa scene, where older Kirk is driving his bike, I liked the large structures in the background mist. It felt a bit like the background skyscrapers in Blade Runner, when seen from ground level, minus the darkness.
I know I have to wait for the actual film, but it somehow feels like Star Trek, but with a Star Wars punch, but not the cheesy kind, rather like the old school Star Wars was back in the day… fun, huge, modern.
Trailer is A+ for content, B– for implementation … the editing at the end is too fast for too long, and the music is stupido… it’s not that I don’t like a brute force mother of a score, but when it’s done in this kind of dimwit monotonous way, it loses power. But maybe that’s what kids wanna see… so what do I care?!
In any case… looks like it’s going to be a monster of a SciFi epic, and a magnificent, cool new Star Trek film. Can’t wait! :)
#198 (J. Wright): Afaik it was never established in canon that the Enterprise was built in San Francisco.
OK.
Thank you so much for the bootlegs. VERY COOL of you all.
And Thank You, #191 anon trekker. Those screen caps are some of the coolest images that have ever been on this site. I now admit that the Enterprise looks much better from that angle. What a horrible angle that was chosen to first show the ship! What were TPTB thinking?
I think this is going to be enjoyable.
I saw QoS this afternoon. The Watchmen trailer was not played, sadly. However, Star Trek was. And I was ready to jump out of my seat in excitement. I was freaked for this movie before. Now I’m just giddy!
Yeah, those screencaps were great. Already have one as my wallpaper.
I just got home from Coliseum Ottawa movie theatre in Canada.
I did not watch the new Star Trek movie for some technical reasons but I was more than happy to give you details.
I talked with the manager and he provided me some information about the trailer.
The QoS in screen no. 8 contains the new ST movie trailer while another QoS in screen no. 7 does NOT.
The reason my friends and I were not able to watch the trailer and QoS was the Rear Windows Captioning (RWC) device which assists deaf and hard of hearing people to read captoin in rear windows background while watching movie, broke down. At least I just watched the bootlegged trailer and my reaction was friggin’ and jawdroppin’ awesome!
Great work, JJ and the crew!
#202 – Mr. Killjoy – “You said it, #189. Star Trek has officially become nothing more than another SFX extravaganza with juvenile writing. So much for the vision or the idealism.”
That isn’t even what #189 said.
still think the new 1701 looks odd, nacelles way too close together, and the wishbone struts… look like they should be flappin’
that space station in the back looks very franz joseph, reminds me of the starfleet hq from his tech manual
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap805981vm3.png
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/spacestation_fleethq.jpg
#212 – he said
“It’s not really Star Trek, though..”
And he’s correct.
And my name is Brandon.
To #193…
What is this Star WARS you speak of?
Well, this trailer should silence ALL the critics. The Enterprise looks gorgeous and the crew is fantastic…Hell, EVERYTHING looks great!
A note on the characters: Scotty and Bones are dope, Kirk seems grand, Spock is very intriguing, I’m totally absolutely looking forward to Pike, I desperately hope Nero is amazing (not much to tell from)… Uhura and Sulu look great, dramatic, but I can’t really tell… can’t say about Chekov: hope he’s as good as the rest looks at first sight.
Klingons, with ridges of course…:)
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=klingonseo6.jpg
‘My name is James Tiberius Kirk.’
Oh wow. They’re all right – we have never ever seen Trek like this.
And the Enterprise looks like NCC 1701.
I forgot to add something to my most recent comment.
I am still waiting to get some information about the Silver City movie theatre in Ottawa East from another friend of mine. As soon as I get them, I will post it here.
Mixed emotions upon seeing it for the first time.
My gut reaction (mind you I have almost NOTHING to base this on) tells me that there may be more style here than substance.
It is clearly going to be the biggest looking Star Trek ever., but bigger does not always mean better. Just look at the budgets of TMP vs the Wrath of Khan. Khan had a much smaller budget, but was the far superior film in every way.
This trailer was big and loud, but that is not what the best of Star Trek is about. Star Trek is about it’s great characters. Let’s hope tptb remembered what George Lucas forgot in making his Star Wars prequels. It’s about the characters not big explosions.
I also noticed that they are selling the sex aspect to much. Not that I’m against hot chicks taking their shirt off on camera, but ST is better than that. That made me think that the rumors on the net this week about this being “Top Gun” in space may have something behind them. This looked like a Jerry Bruckheimer/Michael Bay trailer rather than a Star Trek trailer.
Most importantly the thing that speaks volumes to me about this trailer wasn’t was was on screen, but what was not on screen. The lack of a single shot of Leonard Nimoy as Spock gives me a hint of where they are going with this film.
I understand that this film is marketed towards a new demographic (as it should be to broaden the franchises popularity) but what about the fans who made Star Trek what it was? I hope the creative team didn’t forget about those people and their 40 plus years of supporting the series.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t mean to sound negative here (I guess I do don’t I?) I am eagerly awaiting this film and I will go into it with an open mind and judge it on it’s own merits.
I’m sure I am reading far too much into a two minute trailer.
191. Big thank you! :-)
I know it is only the trailer, but it ooks even worse than I could imagine. Overblown overemphasis on action and special effects. The bridge is ridiculous. Nothing here that makes me want to see it. I like the shirts, I think. Best I can do.
#220 – don’t worry about being negative. You’re spot on. If the trailer is any indication, Trek is being dumbed down for the masses.
Just saw it at the Tinseltown in Plano, TX…..Amazing…..Wow….fantastic….too much to comprehend since the whole clip moved at warp speed…..after watching the bootlegs, there is so much I missed at the theater but it is worth seeing on the big screen…It was the very first clip and the lights were half dimmed at the start and the audience was not quite settled so hard to get a read on that…but a teenage boy in from of me did comment to his dad pretty enthusiastically when young JTK said “James Tiberius Kirk” along the lines of recognizing the name…should have asked for responses but did not want to over geek myself….lol…I agree, so far this is not TOS as we know it but I think that is good in my opinion….this has the ability to bring in a new audience and generation of fans….and the funny thing is that I felt the “human” part of this movie more than the special effects….Jim hanging of the ledge, riding the bike and seeing the Big E….fighting with Spock…..there is a human story here and the topping is the GREAT effects the likes we have not seen before…
That ship at the end of the preview facing Nero’s ship is the Kelvin, I think, and not the Enterprise.
Just saw the trailer on youtube. u have to type in star trek and then click on advanced next to search and put the upload to today. looks as though it mite cut out slitley early but u get a good idea. Good luck.
I really feel sorry for everyone who is so mired in their obsessions that they can’t appreciate this trailer. It’s a fascinating example of the human tendency to find fault in anything they’re predisposed to hate.
#220 (VOODOO): “‘Top Gun’ in space”… yeah, I guess that’s a way to see it. Good comments.
#222
That’s even more than I expected from you, Stanklin.
How about if we call it “Space Patrol” and then you can just watch it like it was some random sci-fi flick? Or “Galaxy Quest II”?
Only thing I’m mired in is my appreciation for Star Trek.
I SAW IT, AND IT WAS GREAT! I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS STAR TREK!
230:
I rest my case…
Sold.
Awesome – saw it a few hours ago. Like many other here, I’m sure my face was twisted in joy. I know my jaw hurt.
The nay-sayers need something else to bitch about.
JJ – you do Trek right.
KLINGONS! with ridges, hello, all you haters will have a field day, I love it myself!!!
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=klingonseo6.jpg
LOL…you don’t even get my case.
Oh well. I just hope that the movie has more to say than the trailer does.
I loved the trailer and it far exceeded my expectations. This movie is going to be amazing…
don’t listen to the killjoys… there is always a few that have to spoil the party. Well.. I guess those few will be staying home.
It’s on YouTube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WNPb8R-40
#207 from the official site, startrek.com:
Enterprise, U.S.S.
Launched in 2245, the original and illustrious starship U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 was built in the San Francisco Yards orbiting Earth. The Constitution-class starship was previously captained by Robert April and Christopher Pike, before coming under the command of Captain James T. Kirk.
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her dedication plaque during TOS specifies that she was built in san fran, a nice replica can be seen here:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XNPD380IpBQ/SGq1o2x5-9I/AAAAAAAABg4/pDmcK48kqfA/s1600-h/P50_6_DedicationPlaque.jpg
the trailer looks great though, i hope its paced well with a good balance of action and thoughtfulness, in the trek tradition…
Speaking for myself, I’m trying to look past the fact that the bridge and exterior of the Enterprise still look like bad parodies of themselves and lack the functional looks of previous incarnations. Other than that, this is very impressive indeed. Like everyone else, I’m looking forward to seeing the final result.
I’m not a killjoy. Seriously, I’m not trying to be.
I was just hoping for a movie that had substance and depth to it, rather than a mindless parade of special effects that will only satisfy the geek crowd.
FYI – No trailer in Charlottetown Empire PEI – boooo
I’d like to hold hands across the world with every post-40 yr old Trek fan whose nape went up..
#235, do you know what a trailer is for? to get butts in the seats, I’m sold, they are not meant to explain the existence of life. You probably thought the Saving Private Ryan trailer had too many explosions and action…what a crap movie that was too…
Brandon.. you HAVEN’T seen the movie yet.. you saw the trailer. EVERY trailer is designed that way to bring the crowds in.
Okay, I admit it….the TrailerSpy site did for me once again….lol.
I’m a huge ‘trailer’ fan, and even from this inferior-quality bootleg version, I can see that it will hopefully hit enough right notes to entice a lot of new audiences in….which is a good thing at the end of the day. However here’s a couple of other initial thoughts on it -
One of the best aspects of this trailer was the excellent music used….but unfortunately I believe it’s NOT by Michael Giacchino, and not part of the actual Movie…. A great choice of music however.
I personally thought the ‘narration’ was spoken in a pretty flat and monotone manner throughout. I’d have liked a bit more ‘feeling’ put into it, but it’s no biggie at the end of the day.
That voice of the ‘robotically masked’ future cop….unfortunately smacked a little of Sly Stallone’s “Ah…um…the…LAW!” Judge Dredd to me….
The effects and cinematography look as tremendous as we suspected they would be….making it even more of a pity (for me anyway) that apart from the ‘main’ crew uniforms, the design of the Enterprise and it’s Bridge didn’t end up a LITTLE closer to the original designs somewhat, to tie-in better with the TOS series in general….as they could have looked wonderful, going by this.
All in all, a very good trailer regardless.
Trailers are designed to use the sizzle to sell the steak. Of course it’s going to emphasize style rather than substance.
“I also noticed that they are selling the sex aspect to much. Not that I’m against hot chicks taking their shirt off on camera, but ST is better than that”
Tell that to all those Theiss-wearing babes from TOS. And Uhura’s miniskirt. :)
#243, do you know who wrote this movie?
hint: It wasn’t Frank Darabont.
Just got back from seeing QOS (good film by the way) and it had the Trailer (as well as Watchmen). This was as the Regal in Ft. Wayne, IN. I called ahead to find out which showings. The trailer was awesome. Man you have to really look quick, because the scenes go by so fast. I am looking forward to Monday, so I can go thru it frame by frame. The theater was very quiet while the trailer was on, and not much reaction at the end of it. The theater did have the new Spock one-sheet in the lobby, and I heard a woman as she passed by it say: “That looks like Spock! I didn’t know there was a new Star Trek movie.”
#224 … on the human part: yes, it’s there in the trailer, in the first half… really touched me… the second half however destroys it with the usual “overblown overemphasis on action and special effects”, as Stanky McFibberich (222) put it. I’d like to add: rapid editing and generic music. But I still think the last minute is great fun.
me again!
http://www.trailerspy.com/trailer/1329/Star-Trek-Trailer
YOU WON’T BE DISAPPOINTED! :D
Shit the bed! that was awsome even on the crappy uploaded video.
Cant wait to see it on the cinima screen.
There is no reason to compalin about this film, if you dont like change then dont see this film, just rewatch TOS or something, but this is a new direction for Trek, a change from the 29 series and 10 films so far and hopefully it will spawn more movies and another tv series, with a more action and upto date feel.
bring on May 2009 and future of Star trek,
#243 And I find it funny that you talk about explaining the existence of life, since that’s the very approach that Trek USED to be all about.
Oh well. All good things…
Okay – AFTER SEEING this, I conclude that we’re looking at alternate time line NO QUESTION ABOUT IT!!!! Anyone care to debate. Being Mr. Old School I was very impressed with trailer, nice shot of Pike in the captain’s chair. I’m more convinced than ever that it is either the actions of future Spock or Nero that completely changes the ST universe as we have known it, with the exception of Archer’s universe. Think domino effect, Kirk’s universe changed for sure Picard’s, Sisko’s, Janeway’s etc. I think this will be a competely different ST film from the ones we have seen before. I am LOOKING FORWARD to it. BTW — just got back from Quantum of Solace in Bayside, NY — no ST trailer. In fact they just EVERY TRAILER out there, except for ST. The Spirit trailer LOOKS AMAZING!!
I liked Quantum, thought it was a very good film, the quick editing at times did make me dizzy. LOVE Daniel Craig, he IS BOND!!!!
#233 The nay-sayers need something else to bitch about.
Nope, not trying to mind something to bitch about at all. Just my first reaction upon seeing the trailer.
I want this a be a great film and a blockbuster at the box office.
This movie looks bad ass!
Looks stunning and even more so on the big screen, but I think they tried to jam too much into a single trailer … the pacing was so fast that you barely had time for anything to register. I had to download the bootleg and slow down the frames just to appreciate it!
#234
Okay, seriously – how can you guys tell those are Klingons?? All I see are blurs.
Brandon and Schultz #223 + 228
Thanks,
254 – yeah could be alternate universe, I was discussing with a friend that i might be a cool plot if after first contact, Cochrane and that woman friend of his, made better ships based on what they saw of the Enterprise E. thus explaining why the NX-01 looked quite advanced, then leading onto this film with a more advanced looking Enterprice NCC-1701 than in TOS. Therefore creating a alternate universe.
234: Those are Romulan Centurions, they wear helmets
#238 (J. Wright) Thanks for the info. So there are three answers to your question:
(a) the authors willfully broke with canon to create a proximity between Enterprise construction site and Kirk in his native Iowa setting, in order to have some psychological impact: Right in front of his doorstep, dream of space, of being not a normal human etc.
(b) it’s not the Enterprise that’s being built in Iowa, and it functions as the same psychological element… only that the Enterprise comes later — in San Francisco.
(c) the setting of the Enterprise construction site is not Iowa, but actually California near San Francisco… and Kirk drove there cross country after deciding to join the academy… notice the mist… maybe from the Pacific?
234: better view, those have to be romulans
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So there’s TWO concierges stations on the bridge? One must be for Applebee’s and the other for Ruby Tuesdays.
I just seen the Bootleg and i Also seen the trailer at the movie theater. I am so blown away. I love the way they had Star Trek on there and made it look likr it did on the Tos Series. The red alert Klaxen was fantastic. The Shot of the BIg E was Incredable and she never looked so good.not crazy About the Cop but oh well. The trailer wwas fantastic and as i have posted on here for nonths about waiting for the trailer now im going to go crazy for the Movie. Ill be there at the Midnight showing and Anthony ill tell everyone i see at the theater to come on here and blog with the rest of us. LOONG LIVE THE TERRAN EMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that looks like Nero with two Klingons, to me
To all the trailer shakey-cam’rs who posted this trailer, THANKYOU! There must be a special place in Heaven to for you folks who think of your fellow fans. Thanks!
Second, where do I get a hoverbike like that? It would be just the thing to deal with the #$% potholes on Elbow Drive in Calgary ;-)
Third, great trailer, this looks awesome. It’s gonna be a long wait until May!
That is frakkin’ sweet!
#263
Okay, I admit those definitely look like Klingons. With Nero. Interesting.
What are those Klingons? They look slightly deformed!!!
And yes, you jerks, I admit I couldn’t resist watching that shaky trailer, even after I gave a very self-righteous speech about only wanting to watch it in the proper format. Are you all happy? I hope you are. ;)
Now on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WNPb8R-40
im trying to post a few more stills but wordpress is being dumb…
The sapce station behind the big E looks Sooo much like the Starfleet HQ in the old Franz Joseph tech manual! Anyone else notice this?
These are Klingons for sure. I believe Nero is a POW in the 24th century.
Ho good, is excelent º )
241. mooseday – November 14, 2008
FYI – No trailer in Charlottetown Empire PEI – boooo
Damn. I had finally decided to give the new ship design a chance and go see James Bond next week. I hope they get around to attaching it soon.
I need more info about audience reaction!
I’ll repeat what I posted earlier, and I want to hear what others have to say:
I went to the first show of the day, 12:10pm, Cinerama Dome, Hollywood, audience filled with geeked up James Bond/genre fans. Great place to see a genre film. Knowledgeable, industry-type audience.
Star Trek trailer response: Silence. Before, during, and after.
Watchmen trailer response: Some cheers, claps, “yeahs!”
Are people going nuts for this trailer at the evening shows?
http://startrekisdead.blogspot.com/
OK I just noticed I wasn’t the first to see the tech manual connection, but at least I was right!
ill try breaking the images up. if this is all getting double posted i apologize
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Thanks to everybody who posted the video and stills. It looks amazing but I am like Brandon, I want substance with my style. I’m counting on J.J. to deliver that AND leave us with a terrific cliffhanger to boot!
BTW, Star Trek has always been cool!
Canon-friggin’-schmanon. This movie looks fantastic!
Wow… some impressive blog there… (eyebrow raise). Mine is in the link of my name. It’s real.
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To #279 Brandon…
Star Trek is FAR from dead. Relax, dude, and enjoy the ride.
#254 (Sam Belil): This is about time travel, but I don’t think this is about an alternate timeline, at least not a timeline that’s totally different from what we know. You really think that Abrams & Co. want to restart the franchise by DESTROYING everything that’s come before? Gun to our chest and screaming: “THIS IS THE NEW STAR TREK! You better go for it, because everything you have known, everything you’ve ever cherished, the whole “history of the future” is no more!!” Would they really do that? I seriously doubt it.
But even if this film were about some alternate timeline, to account for the change of style and technology in the TOS era, something would have to have happened further in the past, long before Kirk & Spock, i.e. another—initial—time travel, one we haven’t yet heard anything about in the early reports. Very unlikely too. To straighten this out, back to canon, young Kirk and Spock would have to travel back in time themselves, fight whomever changed the timeline, and then return into standard TOS/TNG timeline. But that would basically be a “First Contact” rehash and lacking ingenuity on Orci’s and Kurtzman’s part.
I guess it’s simply a modernized take on TOS, that’s all, an origin story, a reboot of the franchise. We have to live with the new look, the new style. But that should be easy, because this is after all the 21st century. You really think audiences would go for a TOS-2009-style, which is only paraphrased from the 60s? I don’t think so.
#284 You’re going to criticize my blog (which I JUST threw up) because…why? It doesn’t look good?
Just proving my point, I guess. Looking good is all anyone cares about…
I don’t understand how anyone could watch this trailer and fine themselves disappointed. This is the kind of first class treatment Star Trek has been BEGGING for since…well jeez, since it began. Of course we loved the stories, of course it was about the characters and not the effects…but isn’t it nice to have the effects finally match those other benchmarks? Everything in this trailer feels massive in a way I don’t think Trek has ever felt. The cinematography, the special effects (which, thank the Great Bird dont look like cartoons), the look…jeez, I may have screamed like a 6th grade girl when I heard the red alert klaxon! This makes TMP look like South Park animation.
I’m not saying it is impossible that we’ll be disappointed (after all, Indy IV stunk up the theatre like nobody’s business), but I get a different feeling from this trailer than I did from previous bombs these past few years (The Prequels, Indy IV, Planet of the Apes). The little touches make it seem as though these guys have been paying attention. I like it.
Oh, stop teasing me with all those links!
I don’t want to look! I don’t want to look! I DON’T WANT TO LOOK!!!
I don’t want to see some crappy version of the trailer captured with a camera phone! I want to see it properly on my computer, since I can’t make it to the theater!
Man, I think I might need to stay away from Trekmovie until Monday…!
The cop’s motorcycle siren sounds like an old school Pac-Man machine.
Young James Tiberius Kirk is wearing Marty McFly’s jacket from BTTF2.
When Kirk motors past the Enterprise under construction, I keep hearing the Simon & Garfunkle song, “My Little Town”.
…flyin’ my bike past the gates of the factory…
The track used from the Children of Dune OST is “War Begins” .. as mentioned before it is a very good score, have it on my IPhone at the moment. Also tracks are used in the Indiana Jones KOTCS trailer ( at the beginning ) … must be a Paramount favourite at the moment.
Yes, I watched the bootleg, looks good but I’ll reserve judgement till the hi-def version.
277. Wow, didn’t know PEI could hold that many Trek fans :P
#286 Gorn Identity – your name gave me a much-needed laugh, bro. That’s funny stuff.
And if you read my blog you’ll see that my concern over Trek’s health began long before this trailer even came out.
Don’t worry, I’ll be seeing it along with the rest of you.
272
Cool. Technology is amazing. Thanks trekmaster.
I find it hard to believe that Jim Kirk was a such a bratty problem child. I also find it hard to believe that the Jim Kirk I know would choose to do such a foolish thing even as a kid. When he eluded to “getting into a little trouble when I was younger” in “The Way to Eden”, I always envisioned it as pranks more worthy of his intellect. Fooling with the girls or whatever. The kind of prankster that came out looking good from them anyway. We’ll see when it opens what I think then.
I’ll say it again: WOW
This looks great. It feels great. I’m excited.
Ahem.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4509630
#288
I think he might be criticizing the fact that you created a blog just to write one entry about how you believe Star Trek is dead. Does seem a bit extreme.
And you have to remember – you’re viewing a trailer through an incredibly critical eye. Trailers are designed to excite, to entice. They aren’t meant to be straightforward cliff notes on the film in question.
#297 Once again…my opinion isn’t based off the trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WNPb8R-40
Let’s all remember that this is the first trailer of substance, showing footage from the movie. We’re still six months out. I can completely understand the decision to make the first trailer a punch in the face attention grabber. This gets the non-Trekkers interested from the get-go. They start paying attention to this “Star Trek” thing.
I’m guessing the next two trailers will be more character-oriented.
Just watched the on-line copy. Hoping to see it in the theater tomorrow.
Hopefully after this film. the overly critical fans of Trek will finally be quiet and go watch the TOS DVDs.
The trailer is available “bootleg” now on youtube. I just watched it and it was awesome. Wish I had seen in a theater though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WNPb8R-40
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU1J8B1nI8E
Enjoy!
This looks incredible! Now I HAVE to see the trailer on the big screen. “Quantum of Solace,” here I come!
#294
Not that I like referencing Star Trek V (it actually causes a small part of my insides to die), but there’s a rather lengthy lecture from McCoy to Kirk about risking life on ‘crazy stunts’. So it wouldn’t be the first time it’s been suggested that the character has a wild side.
The trailer looks very good. Nice pace, and the music works well. It looks to be more action-oriented than cerebral, but that reflects the times.
Even before I saw the trailer I intended to see the film.
292. mooseday – November 14, 2008
Wow, didn’t know PEI could hold that many Trek fans :P
Haha, that was my reaction as well. ;) Do you live in the City?
#294 (Andy Patterson): How do you conclude that he was a “bratty problem child”? What I saw was totally different: The determination, energy and swiftness, with which he climbed back up, the resoluteness, when he said his name, the maturity, not “Jim” but “James” plus “Tiberius”. That’s not a problem child… that’s the seed for later greatness.
TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST:
1) I hated the photo of the Enterprise from a few days ago, but she’s looking MUCH better in the trailer.
2) After ENTERPRISE went off the air in ’05, I was all for a TREK re-boot (with the original cast of characters) in another 10-15 years. TREK XI is coming MUCH earlier than 2015, natch, but the trailer looks and feels EXACTLY what my imagination envisioned for a big-bidget re-do.
3) Take your 5-year old sons, daughters, nephews, nieces, grandkids, what-have-you to see STAR TREK XI next year and you’ll have guaranteed new Trekkies for life.
292. mooseday – November 14, 2008
Actually, feel free to look me up on facebook if you’re on there. Always nice to make a new Trek Fan acquaintance. The name is Tim Gormley.
#298
You certainly could have fooled me, based on your blog’s single entry. Yes, I realize you say you first became concerned when JJ became attached to the project, but the majority of what you wrote is about the trailer. All I’m saying is you seem to be disheartened over very limited information.
I’m amazed that there are those like Brandon who remain actually negative about what we are seeing. What do you want? 1960′s special effects and props and some cheesy storyline to go with it?
Even with the shakeycam, this looks awesome. Really awesome. I loved the ‘red alert’ klaxon, it gave the whole thing a good, familiar sound and feel. May 2009 is going to be a good time.
#310 Well that blog headliner is just an attention grabber, really. LOL.
But it’s not JJ I’m concerned about – I have a lot of respect for his TV work. It’s the writers that worry me.
Drop me a message, we can discuss! I’m always open to being proven wrong, and if the movie turns out to be good, you will have the pleasure of seeing me eat a huge box office return’s worth of crow.
shatner’s going to shit his pants.
Really digging the trailer, although the only one that’s playing smoothly on my old decrepit iMac is the Flikr one :(
I was thinking that JTK would be older in the beginning; that voice really threw me (and made me think [shudder] ‘oh god, it’s ANAKIN!’ Also thought a forward-roll would have been a nice touch; maybe he learned that move later on… The cop seemed quite anachronistic in that setting, but of course that’s the point: it’s not now, it’s much much later.
Hard to make out a lot due to the size, but I love the intensity of it. Looking forward to Monday when I can see it all a bit better.
I hope the folks here who aren’t feeling it will get their psych on soon – this is going to be fantastic.
#313: DEFINITELY!!! ;D
#313: Might drain some of his ego…
If they had made a Star Trek film for the purists…it would likely have been the last. After seeing the trailer today in the theater it’s clear they made a Star Trek film for everyone…and there will likely be more movies and/or TV because of it. As a fan for 40 years I am very happy about that. Thank you JJ, Bob Orci and all.
I am oddly accepting Pine as Kirk, even though i don’t find that much resemblance…I guess its refreshing to see an impression of Kirk thats not on SNL
Someone above mentioned they didn’t like the “jumping over the Grand Canyon” thing. Actually, I’m wondering what that pit really is. If you look close, the walls are actually made from concrete bricks that seem to be decaying. Makes you wonder where the entire chase scene takes place.
Overall, it is an amazing trailer. The pace was great. I was going to see this film anyway but was…hopeful. Now I am flat out optimistic. What I saw is exactly what I think is needed. Remember, what Shatner was using in 1968 (data disks, etc) are already obsolete today. So let’s give them a chance to show us what they can do.
On the bright side, can’t be any worse than some of the stuff Rick Berman shoved down our throats. :)
first…I am PLEASANTLY SUPRISED..wow…also cant beleive how different the big E looks in motion!! Everyone seems spot on…is it me or does simon pegg seem to have prosthetic teeth in> It sounds goofy.. but they look..different..
Here it is again this time a little more cleaned and centered, I took the best of both version and did a little mixing… It will only be up for 2 days. So enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FVCXW7o2P4&fmt=18
Maybe Kirk’s driving in Florida. and that’s where the Xindi cut that laser through it?
#318: It’s not about the resemblance. Even Quinto doesn’t really resemble Nimoy. It’ll all be about their acting, the essence of their interpretation. And what I’ve seen so far is—well, it’s young and hotheaded, but it’s great!
To those who are saying “style over substance”… well, yeah… That’s kind of the point of a trailer.
No one can really speak to the quality of the writing at this point, but it’s hard to deny the interesting parallels between Kirk and Spock this trailer hints at… Kirk choosing between continuing his life of excess and selfishness, or following his father’s footsteps…. Spock coming to terms with his duality and choosing which path to follow.
As far as “all teh sex” goes, all I can say is: Did you ever watch TOS? Was there a woman/human/inanimate object Kirk DIDN’T make out with? ;)
So everyone who hated it now loves the new Enterprise. Why am’I not surprised? I told you that would happen!
BTW, cool trailer. Had a feeling fo Star Wars too in it, from the battle scenes. Maybe Star Wars fans will like this too.
“Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness in silence.”
Whoever wrote that dialogue is diseased and in sore need of a “good old country script doctor.” That’s absolutely terrible, if it’s legit.
Bill, get on your knees and thank God for His Mercy. Don’t answer the phone…
285 anon trekker:
Thanks for the stills!
Are those Klingons with Nero?
#318 & # 323
I couldn’t agree more…seeing Pine & Quinto standing there side by side in that one shot…they seem to have the characterization down without sliding down the slippery slope of imitation…Pine for instance…I agree doesn’t “scream” shatner at all..but I get the comments by Kevin smith and others that he is kirk…he seems to have “it” down…
#292 mooseday
Thanks for confirming the title of the music used….but is ALL unrelated music that has been used in this?
It’s just I remember Bob Orci replying to a question about it recently, where he said that it would be Michael Giacchino’s music in this trailer.
Anybody?
You know, it’s always amusing to see trekkies being histrionic about “dumbing the show down for the masses” – because you kind of expect to read or see some evidence from the writer that they’re smarter or more sophisticated than these undefined, faceless “masses” that they hold themselves above…and they never deliver.
I’m digging the helm and that warp effect!
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#326: To which Bill would say “Why do I have to get on my knees to talk to myself?”
Hey they got overhead projectors on the bridge now… cool. We can do shrinkydinks next.
Is that a Nemesis era uniform coming down the hill with Spock at 1:10?
#326 (King Anthony): I think it’s a good line for McCoy. Very fitting.
I’ve seen – I DOWNLOADED – a bootleg of the new trailer, which I’ll hopefully see in theaters tomorrow when I go see QUANTUM OF SOLACE, but for now, I just have to say… well, I certainly understand now why they decided to release it in the summer. It feels like STAR WARS meets XXX, TOO FAST, TOO FURIOUS and LORD OF THE RINGS all rolled up into a film nicknamed “Star Trek.” It’s definitely J.J. Abrams’ vision, but I seriously doubt this is on par with anything Roddenberry would have liked.
Honestly, you can’t judge the performances from this – there are a couple of disembodied male voices that strike the same tones sound too much alike to distinguish and then Kirk and Spock argue, but we don’t really know what abuut. Simon Pegg strikes me as a fairly realistic Scottish militant, but Scotty? Accent aside, Scotty was NEVER a total joke in the original series. His character always had a sense of humor, yes, but only “Trouble with Tribbles” and the last few TOS films made Scotty more a charicature than anything else. The new Bones is actually more convincing in the still shots – in the trailer, he’s just the guy in all these movies telling the audience how dangerous things are before they wind up being much more dangerous. Sulu has a surprising amount of coverage here, Uhura has surprisingly little (literally and figuratively), Chekhov is barely glimpsed while Bruce Greenwood’s Captain Pike barks orders through a fog through which you probably couldn’t recognize him in a theater on the trailer’s first run or probably even its second or third unless you knew to look.
I hope this movie is the beginning of something that will get better – that pulls the modern sci-fi action movie BS because it has to, as people here have already mentioned, rebuild a fanbase. Normally, I’d have no problem with said BS – by definition movies are SUPPOSED to be about the imagery and the action – but as is also rightly stated here, STAR TREK always had that AND MORE. Judging by the trailer, I fear the film will lack that all-important MORE that kept people watching Trek reruns for ten years between series-end and first theatrical movie.
#324…you obviously didn’t seen Transformers.
*cough*
And any ideas what those things with the red lights are on the bridge? They’re everywhere!
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I e-mailed Anthony quite a long time ago about an IMDB update. It mentioned Klingon prison guards in the cast list. Guess he never looked.
#329 This was surely not the last trailer for the film. Maybe a later version will feature the new score. Hopefully… because the current music is uninspired cr*p.
Oops, I misspelled “see”. My bad. I suppose I will now be dismissed as an ignorant hick. ;)
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Love the trailer. Thanks to all who got us the bootlegs!
307
Yeah, because normal, well-adjusted children drive cars they’re not supposed to be drive off a cliff. *rolls eyes*
Georgetown Loews in Washington, DC didn’t have the trailer. I was furious.
I also don’t think that’s a robot that pursues Kirk in the beginning. I think it was just a human wearing some kind of oxygen/filtration mask. Maybe due to the high speeds on the hoverbike? At any rate, he seemed a little too flexible, in terms of movement.
Just saw the trailer. Dear God in heaven. It was unreal. This one’s going to bring in big bucks.
Sioux City, IA: Southern Hills 12 told me (via phone) they are not showing the trailer. Promenade (Main Street Theaters) IS showing the trailer. Saw it with my own two eyes and loved it all except wasn’t crazy about the Kirk corvette scene.
And given that we do now know those are Klingons, my guess would be that Nero and his men are prisoners in the 24th century, and subsequent to their breakout they travel back in time.
#330 – You speak the truth, D
#326, #330
: sigh :
And my lord, Bana is looking buff! I would never know that was him.
Thank goodness for reruns.
Just returned from seeing QOS in Katy, Tx.
I liked the trailer, and even heard a few “hell yeahs” in the audience (that’s Texan for “I’m excited”, btw).
I was very excited, and left wanting for more. I suppose that was the point.
It’s Lost in Space 1998 all over again.
313: It’ll be good for him. Hopefully it’ll teach him that Trek is bigger than him, not the the other way around.
312: There might be action in this movie, but that doesn’t mean that there won’t be a good story. And I agree with you that it’s the story of Trek that makes it great. It seems like the Romulans killed Kirk’s father and/or blew up vulcan, thus changing the timeline. Kirk then has to deal with time-traveling Spock saving his ass, an emotional Spock flipping out cause he is and always will be half-human, become the Captain Kirk we all know and love, and save the day while doing it! Sound’s like a good story to me. One thing we DO know is that this is another time-travel story and time-travel stories are one of the best story templates Trek has.
Live Long & Prosper
#205—I hope it’s ‘alot’ better than that, and with ‘that’ budget…it better be…
#354
LOL yeah, and this time….EVERYONE is Matt LeBlanc!
#339 – Weyoun Gretzky
LMAO, best nic of the night. Hilarious, thanks for the laugh!
343. none – November 14, 2008
307
Yeah, because normal, well-adjusted children drive cars they’re not supposed to be drive off a cliff. *rolls eyes*
I have the feeling that Little Jimmy T. Kirk is purposely trashing the ‘Vette.
I’ll bet that it belongs to his “Bad Uncle”
Am I the only one that finds it odd that Paramount hasn’t tried to take down the boots yet?
355: To be honest, the story of this movie has always struck me as being on the level of fan fiction. The bad kind.
More on my blog tomorrow. I don’t feel like ranting anymore tonight.
#360: “on the level of fan fiction. The bad kind.”
The only kind.
361: Touche!
Actually there is some good stuff floating around out there. It just doesn’t get any attention because it doesn’t feature explosions and starship battles every five seconds.
I saw the Bond film for a second time this evening with some friends at a different theatre (Lagoon Cinema in Minneapolis). Again, no Star Trek trailer! If Paramount paid for this placement, they should get their money back from MGM!
And TrekMovie.com should post a list of theatres in major cities which ARE showing the trailer!
#357
Yep. Star Trek for the Tiger Beat crowd.
Re all the posts by Brandon (who I think may be new here…welcome), Stanky McFibberich, and all the other posters who ain’t too thrilled by the way this is going…
JJ’s Trek is not how I would make a Trek film, but then again I would have never made DS9, VOY, ENT or any film past VI.
To me, Trek died in 1969, was reborn in 1979, and died again in 1991.
That said, I feel like this new film is more in tune with GR’s idea than any of the post TNG spin-offs or any of the TNG films.
I should state that I have watched almost every episode of all the shows (I just hit the mute button when the ENT theme song comes on)
And I was in the theater for all but Insurrection and Nemesis.
I’m thrilled that there is a new Trek being made. I can’t wait until May! I like what JJ&Co. are doing. It’s not what I’d do, but I’m thankful it’s being done!
I understand your displeasure, but keep an open mind!
Rejoice that Trek can fire the imagination of a new generation!
However, I do wish they had asked ME before they started making this movie! I’d have set them straight! (..or not!)
:-)
I saw the trailer today…
It was a nice trailer, but not the movie I expected, or wanted.
I hope others like the movie, because I can see I’m not going to be crazy about it.
WWOWWWW!!!! IT LOOKS LIKE…. every other scifi action movie ever, but with Trek ships in it.
Fail.
Okay, I can at least report that the UA Pavilion in downtown Denver is showing the Star Trek and Watchmen trailers in front of Quantum of Solace.
I can also report that Dame Judy still rocks, and that the new Bond flick is okay once it gets going (it takes it about 60% of the running time to get going, alas … the action scenes are of the fast-cuts-in-lieu-of-actual-action variety, and are piss-poor). Craig continues to look good in the part, Felix gets some time, the girls are cute, and the Goldfinger reference is, sadly, aiming WAY out of this film’s league. Black Goldfinger! Hu-yuk!
And the Watchman trailer is pretty encouraging. Decent odds of a fine film there. Fingers crossed.
Um. And then there’s the Star Trek trailer. Sigh.
Dame Judy still rocks, is my point.
Hm.
Okay, for starters it’s about two seconds long. The teaser felt more substantive. But I also think that’s the safe play, because it’s two seconds of pure, unadulterated CHEESE. We begin with young Kirk in Conspiciuously Futuristic Clothing (TM), of the bulky goofy kind not seen clearly onscreen since the second “Bill & Ted’s” movie. We get painfully cliche voice-overs, followed by jokey bits, shot through with awkwardness.
Karl Urban looks good and sounds good. Pegg looks and sounds as fun as ever. Saldana’s hot, but what choice does she have? Cho looks fine. Yelchin looks fine.
Pine looks like a lightweight; Quinto talks like one.
I’m worried :( I want to not be worried. Please talk me out of being worried, people.
I skipped the last two Trek films because the trailers screamed a warning. This trailer screams a warning. Help.
I for one am pleased with the trailer and I can see why the studio wanted to wait until summer to release the picture.
Ok, the hell with pleased… is it May yet?
FYI – Pembroke Pines, FL Regal Westfork does NOT show the trailer. I’m very upset.
#367…ROFL.
#365…I’m pretty much with you there. Trek lost its social significance after ’92, though DS9 had some flashes.
And yeah, I’m new here. =) But don’t worry, I’ll probably be hanging out on my blog after today and not bugging you folks any further.
#319: That’s a quarry that Young JTK sends that bitchin’ li’l red ‘Vette over and into. HTH.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Should be entertaining and pull in enough money to continue. Vette cliff plunge scene looks a lot like where that Toyota truck commercial was filmed. Wish they would have trimmed ZQ’s burns instead of having wisps of hair sticking out cut to a point or at least glued them down. This trailer is partially like the Spock and Ilia machine mind meld, a lot of quick subliminal stuff in there. Might be half the movie or more in short snips there, surely enough to get a feel for the style, ideas and a good bit of the storyline. Big E thankfully does look much better than that still pix suggested to me, especially bow and stern straight on. Quite likely the best that could be done given the box the creators were in. I wish it and the people associated with it well. It is obvious they gave it a lot of respect and thought from their comments over the last 2 years and now the first visuals.
#312
I know everyone picks on them for Transformers, but that movie was supposed to be silly. It’s about talking robots that turn into cars for god’s sake. Were we expecting Shakespeare? Other than that, I’m not too alarmed by anything else they’ve written (I was one of those few that thought MI:III was the best of the bunch and closest in spirit to the old show, and was only brought down by Cruise). I like Fringe, I enjoyed Alias. Was I a big fan of Xena or Hercules? No, but it was trashy pulp, and never tried to disguise itself as anything else.
So I guess overall, I’m not ill at ease. I’m not saying this film is a 100% guaranteed success. In fact, it’s probably the riskiest undertaking any director or writer could ever be involved in. In that sense, succeed or fail, I admire these guys for having the balls to take it on (JJ especially because he’s really putting his reputation on the line). But it is my sincere hope that this is a resounding success and we’re treated to some Trek that’s worthy of the silver screen.
James Kirk stole Marty McFly’s jacket!
#212 – “he said
“It’s not really Star Trek, though..”
And he’s correct.
And my name is Brandon.”
No, you made it sound like he was saying the things you were saying. He wasn’t.
The trailer WAS NOT attached to a 7:00 PM show I just went to. Very disappointing. Thanks for posting the trailer.
http://dailytrek.de/index.php?id=122665189059587
Hey Anthoney. You should have know that we would not havt to wait on here till Monday for the trailer to be on the internette. these Bootlegs are great and to think of it only True Trek Fans would do this for the show we love Star Trek. I think maybe except for star Wars that Bootlegs of trailers are not done very often. I could be wrong but oh well. I seen it at the theater and now on you tube abd as of this writing there were over 300 hits on youtube for the trek trailer bootleg.
Those of you that express your reservations about this movie…well that’s one thing. You like what you like. Those that use this as a means to endlessly express your TOS bona fides…you want attention, plain and simple. Break out some DVD’s and enjoy. You’ve told us what you think, let it go at that. Otherwise, you appear to be stamping your feet crying for attention. We heard you. Enough.
Just 3 words ………
TREK IS BACK !!!!!!!!!!
Nice trailer, but the editing was out of control. It doesn’t give you any time to process everything, even after watching it repeatedly.
Urban’s McCoy appears to be spot on in terms of what he says, but his delivery didn’t remind me of McCoy at all. There’s a certain cadence that’s unique to McCoy and it was definitely missing in the trailer.
#329 – The explanation is the second point in the “Trailer Facts & Links” in the main article above.
I went to an 8:15 screening of Quantum of Solace. I had called ahead of time and my theater assured me that all of their prints of QoS came with the Trek trailer. Come 8:15, I sat through all the trailers. Then the movie started. No Trek trailer.
I left, went to customer service, who then went and checked the reels upstairs, and they said the trailer was attached to the 9pm showing. So, we went to that showing. Fortunately, the Trek trailer was indeed attached. And it… was… AWESOME.
Holy crap…I didn’t even know what it was when it started. All I saw was a car riding through a desert-looking region being chased by someone on a motorbike. The kid driving the car leaps out before the car goes over a cliff; the kid gets up to face his pursuer — a bloody robot cop on a hover bike! “What the hell is this?” I asked myself. “This doesn’t look like any movie I heard of.”
“What is your name?” the robot asks. “James Tiberius Kirk,” the young man replies.
Holy crap!
What followed was just… amazing. Best… frakkin’… trailer… EVER!!! Kudos to everyone who put that together. I just wish they had made it mandatory for the trailer to be attached to *ALL PRINTS* of Quantum of Solace.
As for Quantum of Solace: I enjoyed it. Not as good as Casino Royale, but I didn’t expect it to be. It was pretty exciting and it wrapped up the events of CR pretty well. I hope the next Bond outing is a bit better, though.
Dude, they are romulans I’m telling you:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/c/ca/Romulan_scope_operator.jpg/150px-Romulan_scope_operator.jpg
375. Enterprise
You know, I was wondering where I’ve seen that jacket before! I wonder if it automatically dries him if he gets wet…
No trailer for me:( I suggest that any other Trek/ Bond fans who are going to see Quantum of Solace (which, although not as great as Casino Royale, is still good) to mention to the theatre management or email the theatre chain’s customer service (which most chains have and I’ll be doing and I’ll update you guys on what their response is).
Just got back from watching Quantum Of Solace…NO trailer (Sault Ste. Marie Ontario Galaxy Cinemas) at least the 10:00 showing didn’t have one, quite pissed off…
Quantum was ok, lots of action, not much of a plot…
Here’s an early X-Mas present compliments of youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBQyjrRgE4c
#374 Yeah, they’ve got balls all right. But I’d rather not have a Trek movie written by guys who are better off writing silly, that’s all. =)
#374: I’ve only seen one film by the writing team all the way through, so it’s the one that worries me most: The Island. A lazy cut-and-paste of [some admittedly groovy] sci-fi cliches with hackneyed dialogue and formulaic “twists.” Two charismatic (and hot) leads kept me watching to the end, but that’s all. I currently, in hopes that Star Trek will be awesome, blame everything bad about The Island on Michael Bay. Or maybe that third screenwriter. Someone. Anyone.
I saw the first 900 hours of Transformers, and couldn’t bother with the rest. I currently choose to blame it all on Michael Bay (the Uwe Boll of big-budget).
I saw the first 60 or 70 hours of MI:III before giving up, but eagerly blame that entirely on Tom Cruise, an anti-actor with such cosmic suck-mojo to even usurp the director’s usual power to determine whether a movie sucks or not.
So, I’m giving these guys a LOT of benefit of the doubt, and I’ve been a trooper on that score for a while now, keeping it upbeat. But this trailer has me genuinely worried.
I have no real _predictions_ about the film. I certainly don’t know enough about it yet (which is to say: I haven’t seen it) to declare it “awesome” or “awful” (apparently others here are very comfortable deciding in advance) … but I do know it’s starting to feel like a rental before I find out. :(
http://www.vimeo.com/2246656
00:30 OMG Darth Vader
00:47 San Francisco looks different in the future
01:19 TNG Red Alert sound in my TOS?
01:30 Notice how the image is mirrored
01:38 I disagree…
01:59 KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
Saw the trailer in Scappoose Or tonight…. WOW!!! Can’t wait for the movie. This will be the BEST TREK EVER!
No trailer at Chinook Cineplex in Calgary. Dammit. :(
And no one has it on youtube yet!! I PAID MONEY FOR THE TRAILER AND I WANT TO SEE IT!!!!
I won’t even bother trying in Fort St. John BC if its not included in Calgary lol
Oh, nevermind. My bad!
NO TRAILER in Escondido, CA Regal Cinemas. I was SOOO DISAPPOINTED. I paid $11 for Bond. I could have waited for the DVD, or even paid matinee, but I wanted to see the trailer sooo badly.
Bond was OK….lots of action, but not much acting. So many things blow up and so many chase scenes, that I’m not sure what the plot was, if there was one.
Thanks for those who posted the trailer. I watched it a few times, but I was looking forward to the big screen….and al l got was a couple of inches. Wow, that sounds dirty…..
http://www.vimeo.com/2246656
Yo 395, youtube below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WNPb8R-40
#394
Don’t worry. Eu Claire didn’t have it either. Damn I hate Ciniplex.
Also, I really thought that McCoy’s line was terrible! “Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence” Hu??? Terrible and terrible to try and say.
401, Ya sounds like something McCoy would say.
Well, they are certainly taking Star Trek in the “action-and-angst” direction, and I don’t know what to think about that. Kirk is remade into a angst filled ADD kid with some abandonment issues looks like. The sfx are pretty cool, but I’m just not certain about the direction they’re taking with this. I certainly hope the movie is better than what the trailer is making it out to be.
I’ll still go see it though, but not to be negative, but I can’t help but feel a little disappointed…and I’ve been a supporter so far. So we’ll see…and here’s hoping for the best!
WWOWWWW!!!! IT LOOKS LIKE…. every other scifi action movie ever, but with Trek ships in it.
Fail.
Just saw it tonight. Wow. I was the only one whooping in the audience, but I think other people were behind it. They didn’t laugh at me, at least. Nice.
A couple thoughts…
The editing was so darn fast I didn’t catch the things I really wanted to see. Only after I got home and watched the vimeo version did I notice the transporter effect and the warp effect.
There was very little story attached to this trailer. In some ways I completely understand. The trailer is a marketing tool, first and foremost, and if I’m trying to market Trek, the main thing I’m thinking right now is “We’ve got to make Trek cool again.” And that’s what this trailer sets out to do. Lots of action, great effects, sex and violence with some promising acting and an epic sweep. But…
Does anyone know about the possiblity of a second full trailer? One that puts the story a little more front and center? I mean, we get the most basic points with this one, but the main reason given to see it is “This will kick ass.” Maybe they’re thinking that’s all they need.
I’d like to see them tell us that we’re going to care about these characters. “Join Kirk and Spock on this journey. Oh, and it kicks ass.” Ya know?
Second trailer? Anyone?
“The Bombardiers” – a WWII propaganda and recruiting film designed to attract men to the suicidal job of USAAC bomber runs over Germany. Follows a cadre of boys through flight school to commission, the bureaucrats that didn’t want bombardiers to hold officer rank, the wives and girlfriends they left behind, their first training accident, their first mission, their first victory, their first combat deaths. Air Corps recruiting goes through the roof.
“Top Gun” – a Cold War propaganda and recruiting film designed to attract men to the suicidal job of Naval Aviator, to fly 15 tonnes of engine and armament off the flight decks of little rolling boards of nothingness in the middle of the deep blue sea/Davy Jone’s Locker. Follows a cadre of boys through flight school to commission, the bureaucrats that didn’t want hotshots and mavericks to hold officer rank, the wives and girlfriends they left behind, their first training accident, their first mission, the first victory, their first combat deaths. Navy recruiting goes through the roof.
“Star Trek” – Romulan War propaganda and recruiting film designed to attract boys and girls to the suicidal job of …
He he he.
Gotta love it when Hollywood does Hollywood!
Just got out of QoS.
I was annoying the heck out of my friends and fiancee before the movie, mentioning the fact that there was going to be a Star Trek trailer about a million times.
And then when it came, and the kid said “James Tiberius Kirk” I was like flipping out. My fiancee was sitting next to me, and he was patting my shoulder like I was some sort of crazy person :P
Incredible trailer, though. Just… indescribable. Would REALLY like to watch it again since the clips at the end go really fast.
In two words: love it.
The trailer is utterly embarrassing. It could’ve been a trailer for Transformers or Indy IV for all I know. Except that this guy dressed like Spock kept appearing.
The stupid ‘whoooosh’ soundtrack, the fast editing, the gratuitous 300 slow motion…. Christ.
I just want to congratulate the makers of this trailer. You’ve done what 40 years of Star Trek couldn’t do; you’ve turned TOS into Everything Else.
I know that trailers are pretty homogenised and ‘samey’. So a miracle could happen and this film might have a trace of originality. Maybe they took all the ‘chosen one’ dialogue and put it in the trailer so that 13 year olds would go see it?
I sure hope so. Because the trailer makes the movie look like a piece of crap.
Holy shit that was good! I can see now why they want to release it in the summer, it is epic. Heck, the old movie budgets would never have allowed for that giant insect monster thing, or the freefall from space scenes. You can literally see where the money was spent.
@everyone who is souring on the movie already. get real folks. sorry, but it’s not going to be 1966 again. look at any recent remake–you should have a decent idea of what the new trek will LOOK like (i’m talking about the look and feel of the film, not the story). plus, this movie is aimed at a demographic that was not old enough to appreciate TOS during its first run (or even syndication… or arguably even TNG’s first run). so, if you hated transformers (or never considered watching it), you will likely hate this movie too, regardless of how good the underlying story will be. you’ll be too distracted by what you will think is “cheese and flash.” chris pine won’t say “rosebud” in the end. jj is not aiming for an oscar.
as i mentioned above, my QoS didn’t have the trailed attached. I saw a bootleg version on a tiny computer screen… and i still had to pick up my jaw off the floor. as someone else said above, such amount of time and money has never been spent on trek before. it won’t be the original. it will be something entirely new. and i hope wonderful.
P.S. despite the name I use here, I enjoy every incarnation of Trek, including the fifth movie and ENT. As long as the central canon is not destroyed, I am comfortable with the changes in places, faces, music and colors. the rest of the sour crowd should get with it.
I’d like to remind everyone here that they haven’t actually seen the movie yet. Just saying…
LOL… hyperspace visuals seen on the main screen are straight from Star Wars: A New Hope!
Now that the pundits got their opinions in…
I enjoyed it. It got my attention immediately and didn’t reveal a lot. Anyone who can tell you right now that this movie will suck is full of it. I’ll admit, it could fail, but don’t give me that old “I can tell” line. No one can.
My mini-critique…
Iowa currently has no chasms that spectacular and the ground is so dry and dusty. See what happens when California “stands in” for the home state of a mythological hero? Anyway…God knows what the future brings, but that’s minor.
The editing was super tight and fast, but paced well. Showing Nero at the end was good. The trailer actually has a lot of images I didn’t see until I slowed it down.
Very nice to see Kirk in gold finally and was not surprised at all to NOT see Nimoy’s Spock. That’s another trailer, I am sure.
I liked the voice over at the beginning of the first minute with Pike and Sarek. The Vasquez rocks in the background behind Sarek and Amanda were a nice touchstone (bad pun) to old times and still very “Vulcan”.
I didn’t expect to see a lot of substance here… it’s only 2 minutes. It’s meant to grab attention and it got mine.
Thanks JJ and all.
Check traylor out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygXF2rVYAjk
Having been a projectionist when I was in high school I can tell you that there could have been a number of requests from many studios to have their trailer on it.
Speaking to a friend who still works at the AMC in Whitby he told me it hadn’t even arrived yet and was not included in the cans with the reels and therefore could not be added during build-up.
It was however playing in Edmonton at West Ed ScotiaBank Theatre so I did see it tonight. Outstanding…hoping for another one that will show more plot though. 007 was okay….didn’t like the ending but my lover Judy Dench makes up for it.
408 – Not nearly as pessimistic about it as you, but if I had any disappointment upon viewing, that was it. It kinda seemed a little like Everything Else. However, as I pointed out earlier, I think that’s what a marketer has to do with Trek at this stage: make it feel mainstream again so that people start to be comfortable telling their friends that it rocks.
However, (as I pointed out earlier) I hope a second trailer or phase of marketing comes along in the next few months that really brands this as a human story. I hope they don’t just leave that to the film to accomplish for itself. If they do, it might go the way of Transformers… a fine accomplishment, but basically a lightweight addition to the pop culture cannon. (Can I use that word out of Trek context here?) :p
408. Spock – November 14, 2008
“The trailer is utterly embarrassing. ” Etc, etc..
Wow what did I miss? You got all that out of a 2 minute trailer?
#416 Aries….
You can if remove one “n”.
;-)
I saw the trailor at a midnight showing. I asked before I paid. They assured it will be shown. It went by too fast. The scenes were too short. Only one person hooted. Mostly twenty something crowd. Some women. But the theater did get quiet during the showing. By the way the movie was great.
There seems to be far more believers that disbelievers on here though in any case im sure everyone who is posting will see the movie anyway.
The trailer looks fantastic!! Im from the UK and can’t wait to see it on the big screen.
ROLL ON 09!
Yar. Almost corrected that before I pressed Say It. Gotta be more on top of it.
While we’re at it…
Tim Lade, you really oughta know how to spell your lover’s name. I’m sure Judi would appreciate it. :-)
1. QoS was lousy. No plot, boring, and not Bond at all. It was just missing the slight campiness, and the humor that makes Bond, Bond. This was more like a Bourne flick than James Bond.
As a kid I went to EVERY Bond movie. And loved them. I even liked the Pierce Brosnan flicks. But these last two are missing the Bond experience.
2. Anyone notice that special effect around Spock just after the Vulcan scenes… I’d bet anything that’s the tail end of the new Transporter effect. Which means, I’m going to hate THAT too…
I hope they leave the classic Red Alert Sound Effect in the movie so that there’s SOMETHING that is the same as TOS. But, I doubt it. They didn’t use it in any of the other movies.
*** OMG ****
Stop the trailer after Kirk pulls the e-brake on the vette and take a good look at that canyon again… I SWEAR that’s a skycraper down there!!!!
*wipes a tear*
I caught the trailer in tonight’s screening of QOS. An entertaining reintroduction to the franchise.
The trailer was well-received. Heard among the audience was a hearty round of applause and calls of “Yeah!” and “Whoo!” and “Star Trek!”, although there was one audience member, at the very end of the applause for the trailer, who raised a voice for “Star Wars.” This was perhaps balanced by a fan who, at the very beginning of QOS, shouted, “Star Trek!”
NEW STAR TREK TRAILER A HOAX
Hollywood (AP)
A montage of scenes supposedly from the new “STAR TREK” film was reportedly shown before some prints of the new James Bond film “Quantum of Solace” last night.
The appearance of the supposed “trailer” sent the “Trek” fan community into an uproar, and was featured on many viral sites. The “trailer” depicts a child driving a car off a cliff, and various attractive young people dressed as iconic “Star Trek” characters in brilliantly staged science-fiction-style vignettes.
Director JJ Abrams promptly issued a statement:
“The FX are only 15% done, and we’re still evaluating the dailies, and I’m evaluating locations in Iceland, and…
Hahahaha! It’s real! Woooooh! Take that, George Lucas!”
*End of report*
I’m going to go against the recent flow here and say the Bond film rocked. The undercurrent of vengeance that motivated the way he pursued Quantum was brilliantly and subtly portrayed by Craig and deftly mirrored in the script through the main girl’s vengeance plot against the dictator guy.
At first the end seemed a bit incongruous, but when I really thought about the structure of the story, I’m concluding that it was really nicely done. If only The Dark Knight could have found that type of economical story telling, we could have about an hour of our lives back. (I didn’t hate that movie, but…)
It’s like this was James Bond with a touch of Remains of the Day thrown in to give weight to the proceedings. I hope they keep rolling with these.
Prince Kuhio Stadium Cinemas in Hilo, Hawaii is definitely showing the trailer with Quantum of Solace. I’m the projectionist, I physically put it on the film myself. :-)
Regarding the James Bond film, it was interesting to see that ….
*SPOILERS*
the version of “liquid gold” being hoarded was not, as in many action thrillers, oil, but water. Environmentalism is a bit of an undercurrent, so to speak. Kind of jibes with the “save the whales” theme we saw in ST IV.
I found the beginning of the film to be unnecessarily convoluted. So the geologist was never a geologist at all, but a paid assassin? And paid to kill that Bolivian woman … for what? By whom? Evidently the geologist had been killed by Greene — the geologist was apparently the man whose body was seen floating beneath the water). So we are to believe that Greene had gotten to the geologist before that woman had, but what would have been the incentive for him to kill him? It’s all very unclear.
The fact the the Enterprise is different already isn’t cannon lol. its a reboot. and Quantum of Solace sucked.
Hey fellow fans if you didn’t get to see the trailer I feel for you. I was fortunate enough to have been able to watch it on the big screen. I noticed all the links that were posted contained a deleted file. It looks like Paramount is on the lookout, however if you went to the movie and were ripped off by not getting to see it, here’s the best Youtube I could find. It’s not the best quality, but it is something
if the embed failed, here’s the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBQyjrRgE4c
just saw the trailer, wow is all i can say
#134. Capt Mike From the Terran Empire
DUDE ARE YOU FROM ATX?? if so, Awesome!!!
So am I, Yeah That Trailer Was Pretty good. I thought Scotty and Bones had the Best lines So far.
What Can You say about My Zoe?? Very Niice.
~~~~~TRAILER~~~~~
At 1:11 the woman appears to be wearing a uniform from the DS9 time-line
No Trek with Bond tonight… I am so pissed.
423 continued –
Is the city ruins part of the plot? Or just a new, a cleverly placed, piece of Trek history of Earth. I hope the ladder. Maybe the New Madrid fault opened up and swallowed parts of Des Moines, Iowa.
—> in which case, that would be the 801 Grand tower!?
May I say that the music of the trailer made me smile. It was very, very promising. Note the three-note bass line — percussive, repetitive, and driving. It seemed to me to be very much in the style of the composer, who I understand also did the score for “The Incredibles.” A driving beat does wonders to stoke the spirit.
I’m gonna love this move.
latter!
Scotiabank Theatre, Toronto: No trailer.
But I liked the car chase, so it’s all good.
I was told that my theater would not have the trailer on QoS, so I was pleasantly surprised when it came up. I was glad that I had seen the bootleg first, otherwise, I would not have known it was Trek until Kirk gives his name.
For the complainers, I am guessing that you were never going to be happy. I have been somewhat pessimistic, and am still skeptical, but I thought that the trailer was riveting and effective. Maybe it has more action than TOS, but it has to, this movie has to make hundreds of millions, and it looks like it could. My concern with seeing all the effects is if they are going to try and come up with the gadget/ship of the week like Voyager & Enterprise would, and also part of the trap that Insurrection and Nemesis did– but I am hopeful they won’t be trying to one up the tech we already know and expect in TOS.
The transporter effect looks really cool. I also like seeing that Kirk is wearing gold in one scene and does have the 2 solid and one dashed armband, so he will be a Captain of some sort at some point in the movie. I am not sure about Pegg, but I have never been a fan of Scotty. I do like McCoy, and Urban’s quote I think is destined to be a McCoy classic, hopefully there will be a few more gems in the movie like that.
I am concerned about breaking from established canon too much, but I also don’t want a big reset button, and I am hoping all those red lights on the bridge are not just a bunch of resets.
I do like the look of the ship from the outside, and the bridge and corridors look great. I like hearing that the alert klaxon is 100% classic.
Waiting patiently for the HD version on Monday, and look forward to loading that pup on my PS3 and enjoying on the big screen.
One thing for sure is… you cant please all of the people all of the time!
Howvwer it is reasonable to assume that the pots here represent an informed fan base and the overwhelming consensus from the is that the trailer is fresh and exciting.
440 – Martin, Yeah – 2nd thing I thought of was getting it on my PS3 before I show it off to anyone else. heheheh ;)
429.
It’s a Bond film. The villain’s plot is *always* stupid.
Uh, 437?
“Music is not from the Michael Giacchino score, but edited by Giacchino from Brian Tyler’s score for Children of Dune”
Regarding the ridged Klingon heads, I guess the Enterprise era klingons whose heads were “humanized” by the eugenics virus thing (trying to remember exactly what was up) could have become the ruling class or something and bred more like them, so that 2 different Klingon types exist simultaneously. As cival wars and government coups and such took place, different klingons were given preferential treatment in manning starships and whatnot. So thats why we see both types in the TOS era. I know i’m really reaching here, but its possible.
444, I realize that. But the music was still percussive, and still in keeping with what I remember of the composer’s work in “The Incredibles.” Coincidence or not.
Dear Fans,
Much like ST TMOP and ST TFF it required us to go back and rethink the franchise… let this movie pass into silent history…. and lets get NICK MYER to SAVE the new franchise…. What do you say Nick? I think we need you.
The new trailer was showing with every other screening of QoS in Abilene, TX – thanks much for the tip about calling ahead so that I was able to catch one of the showings that included the trailer! (the friendly folks at the theater seemed to be a little mystified by my inquiry…)
Great trailer, very exciting. Obviously a lot to absorb in a single quick viewing, so being able to watch it s l o w l y will make a big difference for seeing all that was packed into those two minutes. I noticed very little dialogue by the cast, so it is difficult to tell how much the new actors are inhabiting the roles. But the look (crew, ship exteriors and interiors, locations) is fantastic, and my cohort (not as big of a ST fan as I) was also excited to see the new film after the trailer. You definitely wanted to see more – perhaps JJ’s “world tour” of those four scenes will come to Texas? It’s like another country.
I HAVE THE TRAILER ONLINE! I HAVE FOUND IT!! But sorry to disappoint, but it is not really good. it is very cliche and there is even a quick sex shot. (very un-trek). If you wanna know what website the trailer is on, ask me. the benefit of being quadralingual is I can look on four different language websites from different countries. and its in english, so dont worry. the wait is over. and man, am i let down.
#445. Let’s just give it up already? Canon does not work anymore. It has been broken since the end of TNG. The only thing the fan base comes up with anymore are embarassing “explinations” (see: excuses).
I wish Abrams and the rest of the guys would just cut the crap and call this what it really is. A reboot and a remake. Just start from scratch. Trying to appease the older guys by saying it respects canon, by doing away with it, is a bad move. You can easily draw in the hard core old fans by telling good, compelling stories. Thats what Star Trek was always supposed to be. Good, compelling, hopeful stories that discussed something relevant, or prevalent in society.
Thats just me though… I’m a big TOS/TMP fan. Im not a fan of much of the stuff that came afterwards.
I think something that constantly changes in Star Trek yet nobody really complains about is the transporter effect. In almost every series and movie it has changed, so why do people not get upset over that, but they do over this to where the idea is the same but the ship looks different?
435 Me too!
Altho QoS was much better than I’d expected. A scary, unpleasant Bond is interesting.
You just know,…
#449 You’re about 5 hours too late. I posted the link way before now. If you want to watch the bootlegged trailer, just look through the feedback and anyone can find several valid links.
you know, its pretty fitting that this trailer is part of quantum solsitce, or whatever it might be called. and no, i did not record it, it is from a website. and i have downloaded it also. but watching it a second time, it is even more sexed up. this is not a family flick, for sure. it is not meant for young minds. it is very american and very modern and very pg 13 at least. tasteless. aiming at the crotch. shameful. the trailer is at a very fast pace to make sure you understand it is action oriented, filled with the cliched one-liners. some of you who saw it know this though, dont you? I am quite surprised leonard nimoy did this, but we all gotta eat, right? im glad shat sat this one out. this is not the direction trek is meant to go, for sure. it seems like the actors (characters, i mean) lack maturity and are trying to entice a very young, young, under-drinking age crowd.
pros: the colors are nice, very bold colors. which goes well with the transparent screens of the bridge, which im sure is enterprise. the effects i suppose are what they should be. it sounds like James Remar is in this, great character actor but you dont see his face, only his voice. the battle sequences look pretty tought though, and the viewscreen is pretty neat. aliens also. actually, the battle scenes are quite exciting.
you’re right Brad, they deleted my post ultra-fast!
MY GOD, JIM! That was the fastest two minutes I’ve ever experienced. I saw it in the theatre twice and was convinced it was only 80 or 90 seconds.
Since the bootleg is out and we can all see individual shots, I’ll just note a few items about my viewing:
Like so many others have said, call your theatre. At Tinseltown in southwest Colorado Springs, it’s showing on just two of the three screens the Bond movie is playing on.
Impressions: The Big E under construction looked incredibly huge — I was awestruck as to how it seemed to fill the entire sky. The focus was obviously on the origins of Kirk and Spock; while McCoy was present, I truly hope, as the third leg of the triad, that he is integral to the film. The actors, to a man and woman, seemed to inhabit their characters — there’ll never be another Shatner/Nimoy/Kelley and the rest, but I bet in May, we’ll be very happy with this cast. The SFX were just breathtaking — the full action scenes are gonna rock!
Finally, I was in a large crowd that seemed surprised by, and not expecting, the trailer. When young Kirk said his name, no one laughed — there were some gasps and many murmured ‘Star Trek’ and ‘That’s Star Trek!’ (the audience ranged from teenagers to people like me in their fifties or sixties) As it was concluding, I started clapping, and about a dozen others joined in. No one I could hear snickered or jeered or protested in any way. I just got the feeling a lot of people didn’t know a movie was on its way but the trailer certainly piqued their interest in seeing the film.
As JJ and Bob Orci have said, Trek is not quite being ‘rebooted’ so much as being ‘reinvigorated.’ It needed a shot in the arm; this first full trailer looks like the movie will be a kick in the arse, and a good one.
Since when hasn’t TOS been about sex?
but not buying Pegg as Scotty at all, that is STILL his British accent. Not going to see this. I’ll pass. completely lost interest.
“pros: the colors are nice, very bold colors. which goes well with the transparent screens of the bridge, which im sure is enterprise. the effects i suppose are what they should be. it sounds like James Remar is in this, great character actor but you dont see his face, only his voice. the battle sequences look pretty tought though, and the viewscreen is pretty neat. aliens also. actually, the battle scenes are quite exciting.”
Wait, you just praised everything you criticized???
Nick Myers to SAVE the franchise.
no, i just am trying to be positive about colors. battle scenes too, but everything else is…not trek. you dont pay much attention, it seems. there can be good and bad about everything, live a little, you’ll learn, kiddo.
JJ Abrams just rick rolled all of Star Trek.
I hope.
#461, yes, we really do need Nick Meyer. Please Nick, save star trek!!
it takes much more than bold colors to make a flick.
“no, i just am trying to be positive about colors. battle scenes too, but everything else is…not trek. you dont pay much attention, it seems. there can be good and bad about everything, live a little, you’ll learn, kiddo.”
So your concern is because it shows Kirk making out with someone? Wow, that’s never happened in Star Trek before.
have we ever seen kirk practically humping someone? not to mention the bra shot. these are never especially in the trailers, let alone the flicks or shows. not TOS. and these are supposed to be TOS? not my dollars.
s. john. ross.
you are missing out an selling these writers very short. While I didn’t find Transformers the best movie ever, look at what the had to work with compared to the hundreds of hours they have for Star Trek, don’t be “THAT GUY” have a little faith Star Trek fan.
Lancaster 11 in Salem Oregon had the trailer on the midnight showing (the only reason I saw QoS at midnight), Bond was alright.
To those who said they didn’t see Nimoy Spock in the trailer, I saw him the first time, in the theatres. Check the trailer at :57 AND the next shot of some Vulcan council, I believe it’s him again (yes, I realize I’m saying that I recognize the back of his head)
Yeah well you can take that comment “THAT GUY” , MI3 and lame I want my money back Cloverfield and shove it in your pipe and smoke it.
No cheers or boos associated with the trailer, just buzz. I guess that’s good, right?
Those guys neither are klingons nor romulans, but PREDATORS, of course. JJ is opening up the new Aliens vs Predators vs the Federation venture :)
You can’t please everyone…
I’m personally excited for the new movie.
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD
It’s growing on me . . . .
Here’s seriously hoping it ties into everything before it and isn’t a total reboot.
BTW: I think those guys are Romulans in the Balance of Terror helmets
http://www.vimeo.com/2246656
The new ship is growing on me. It’s very similar to the refit one, except the struts joining the nacelles to the engineering hull are slightly curved. But the basic shape is the same, and the back of the nacelles have the white glow like in the old tv series.
At around 1:07 you see Chekov at his station and in in the Background a door that leads onto the bridge, this is where McCoy, Kirk and Uhura come through to warn Pike…
This trailer feels nothing like Star Trek. “My name is J. T. Kirk” – what a lame acting
Personally I think that was the worst part…the rest of the trailer was amazing though.
#466: No like bra shot? That’s too bad. Maybe you should try The Cloud Minders instead. I hear the lady in that one is well covered.
The trailer blew my mind with its awesome. ‘Nuff said.
It has promise; I can get why they are going in this direction, even as I struggle with the look. This was definitely a trailer for the mass audience.
My two credits’ worth …
Having Kirk peek in on Uhura, making him out to be some kind of perv, just plays into the bad cliche of a guy we know to be a bit more noble. It’s one thing to Kirk to have an eye for the ladies, another to give in to that perception of Kirk as a guy who lecherously bedded some alien “babe” every week. Oh, and bra technology hasn’t evolved in 250 years? Strange … oh well, sorry, ladies …
Vulcan as a series of Vasquez Rocks formations to match the live-action one made me smile.
The new Enterprise looks best straight on and from back. The nacelles are so big from the front, they seem bulbous and lacking grace, even as they taper. That built-on-Earth shot … Does this film have an official science adviser/space expert, or was everything catered to subjective stylistic decisions — “it looks cool”? Never mind the abandonment of “components assembled in space” continuity, I can’t imagine a science/space adviser, like Jesco von Puttkamer and Isaac Asimov were to Roddenberry on TMP, would have said building the E on Earth was reasonably feasible. Especially a ship with design elements like curvaceous nacelle pylons.
Still can’t get excited for that bridge yet … In spite of again catering more to style over function, Sulu and Chekov get some nondescript red chairs at the helm/nav station … too bad. Not that they needed mine, but I would have been happy to loan them my Burke chairs. They would have worked on that bridge! It would have been a great tie to the original series, and on that new bridge even better would be the unaltered ones as seen in the pilots. Plus as knockoffs of the iconic Saarinen tulip chair design, the design is now considered a timeless classic.
Despite these concerns about the look and a few others, overall I actually kinda like the trailer. The performances and story seem promising. This is an adrenaline pump-up to pique general public interest. Such a trailer wouldn’t include the optimistic future spirit that make Trek unique but is said to be recaptured in this movie.
Damn it look good… fresh and still Star Trek!
#475 Many thanks! best loooking version of the trailer I’ve seen so far.
To be honest, this looks like it is a reboot, in order for non-trek fans to enjoy. There may be just enough TOS to get me through.
I will sleep on it and then I’ll watch it a couple dozen more times :)
First time I’ve posted here. I saw QoS and the trailer did not play. They had it in two theaters…after checking with management I found out it was on the other screen. They invited me to wait for the trailer…an hour from when I was there. Lol.
449. lieud vejgrint
“… and there is even a quick sex shot. (very un-trek)”
UN-Trek? Maybe the dark and sterile world of TNG and beyond… but in Kirks day it was MAKE-OUT CITY!
Kirk got “romantic” with dozens of space-babes and at one point (in STVI-TUC) McCoy says “What is it with you, anyway?” when Kirk gets heavy with a shape shifter…..
Sex was a HUGE part of TOS
Two elevators on the bridge? (Or just one on the left)
At least one lift and a door, Remco
I want the sound of plywood as those feet stroll across the bridge…;-)
I must really be in the minority here, but I really don’t like that transporter effect if that’s what it is in the trailer. I realize there has been a ridiculous number of different transporter effects and they all are uniquely different (especially the one used in Voyager), but there’s just something very un-transporter-like about this effect. It reminds me of some sort of magic effect and doesn’t have the feel of technology to it… but I’m glad most everyone else seems to love it.
Spokane Valley Regal Cinema
No Trailer.
I called ahead but they wouldn’t tell me if the trailer was included or not.
My,my what a night on the net. Well I saw the trailer with Quantum of Solace Friday afternoon at a 5:30 screening.
OUTSTANDING! is the word I chose to describe it. and I’m taking another viewing with friends tomorrow who couldn’t make it last night.
The Bond flick was a Bond flick as expected. Only a more up to date one. The soul searching was done in the last one. This one had closure.
But getting back to the Trek tralier,IT ROCKED as the kids say now a days.
And it was designed to be anonnomous until you were well into it.
Remember J.J. was brought in to give the franchise a boost,and bring in veiwers that didn’t care for Trek.
So in that regard this tralier falls clearly into that catergory.
In fact we all know the whole film’s structure this way.
So all the naysayers aren’t really listening. If your that upset to waste time writing angry blogs then channel that engry into something more constructive.
This film is looking SWEET!
Woke up in the UK to see the trailer had found its way onto the web already. It’s a bootleg but still looks terriffic. I’ve put it on my blog below if you want to see it again after reading all about it!
http://jamesjacob77.blogspot.com/
#458 — Very true.
I saw the trailer. At the end of the trailer some guy said “whoa, star wars!” really loud and people laughed. I thought he was pretty acurate.
#481 – “Having Kirk peek in on Uhura, making him out to be some kind of perv, just plays into the bad cliche of a guy we know to be a bit more noble.”
I think that was just someone speculating about that above.
“Does this film have an official science adviser/space expert, or was everything catered to subjective stylistic decisions — “it looks cool”? ”
http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/11/interview-with-star-treks-new-science-advisor/
“Such a trailer wouldn’t include the optimistic future spirit that make Trek unique”
Neither do.. well really any of the Star Trek trailers except maybe “The Voyage Home.” Maaaaybe.
MAT.
EAT IT MY FRIEND
YOU DESERVE NOTHING LESS
I suspect this movie is going to be the TMP of a new generation. But with an opposite sensibility. The Enterprise looks very clean. Very mac-futuristic. Don’t get me wrong though. She’s starting to grow on me.
In fact, I think the movie will contain A LOT of stuff that we fans will love. But Quinto’s Spock lacks the gravitas inherent in Nimoy’s voice and Pine sounds like a kid, not like the Captain of a starship. Then there’s that kid who plays him in the beginning – uh…yeah. Plus Vader’s in this movie too? I hope that’s Shatner under that mask ;)
But least Nero sounds like a bad-ass.
I want to see MORE.
Okay, just want to lend an opinion about something.
One thing that got me was the quick Kelvin shot (I’ve seen the trailer TWICE now in the theaters) was that whatever hit them, it did SERIOUS damage in no time. To me, it was actually a horrifying shot in the sense of the danger with the multiple hits it took all at once and how big they were.
I know it was quick, but wow….
331. ShawnP
Great pics! Can you post the shot of Pike in the yellow uniform?
I don’t know why but as soon as I saw that shot of the new corridors I instantly though “yeah you must go through mop and glow by the case keeping this place shinny”
I guess I’m watching too much mst3k again
That trailer is a long tall glass of bad ass.
I saw the 720 at Universal Citywalk in Los Angeles and stuck around to watch it again before the 10. It’s only playing in the two big theaters 1 & 14 at Citywalk. Also ran into Quinto at the Arclight around 5, when I dropped in and failed to get tickets for the Dome. He’s tall and rakish, but the images we’ve seen of him in the movie don’t convey that.
The trailer is more like a belly dance than a traditional trailer. And by traditional I mean, TMI: too much information. The trailer is infuriating in its momentary glimpses of visual splendor. You really don’t see much, and we won’t until the HD on Monday. So take a little solace if you live in the boonies.
I’ve hardly been a skeptic on these pages, but this trailer left me in a giddy state. It’s actually a disservice to Marc Forster and QOS, which is a much better, more emotional and character-driven movie than the critics are saying. I loved QOS, and with a freshly elected Obama and a Trek trailer, the whole experience felt like a new Kennedy era. I am so glad to be of age now–our generation’s 007 and Trek are so much smarter and more complex than the last 30 years worth of copies.
I’ll leave it to everyone else to point out details, and really, it’s all impressionistic until we have the HDQT to pore over. This is a dense mofo of visual info.
A couple of random things:
- The extreme verisimilitude of Spock–the wig, the resemblance of the actors, the ears… it all kind of works against his acceptability as Spock. It’s almost like he’s so close to the real thing that your eye only catches the differences. Whereas with Urban Bones and Pegg Scotty, you key in to the e character and don’t get caught on the visual differences. Since I stood in front of the real Zach Quinto just two hours before seeing the trailer, I can tell you that he looks more like Spock in person than he does on screen.
- The mixture of bright Enterprise sets, gritty production design on mission-based scenes and big tapestry space scenes promise a visual feast like we’ve never seen. For those concerned by the way that white is the new black on the bridge of the Enterprise, fear not. It’s not all just one visual look. It’s dynamic and interesting. I personally love the white elements of the Enterprise interiors. It really conveys the Mid Century Modrernism of Star Trek, and ‘going black’ is the path of least resistance for big Summer movies.
- Regarding aliens, I like that Nero has a deep voice and doesn’t sound like an upper class twat… like a fancy lad. I like the fact that, even though they went with ridges for the Klingons, the brow line is now a 3D representation of the TOS style Fu-Manchu eyebrows. It’s a subtle hybrid. Not sure what to make of the fact they’re wearing trench coats, but again I like the subtlety. I didn’t spot any other major alien races–just a cadet with a big head in the hangar scene. I was aware I was looking at a big Rancor Beast-style alien in one scene, but couldn’t make out the details.
- Most of all, this movie feels like the karmic payback for many years of suffering through BermanTrek and the wretchedly cloying Star Wars sequels, the four hours of my life watching Matrix 2-3 I’ll never get back, not to mention heinous comic adaptations like Daredevil and The Fantastic Four. My impression of the new/changed elements in Star Trek is that they remind me of the visual art from 1970s Star Trek: an enormous ship with incredible capacity, vast alien landscapes, angry Spock, and a bit of a hard SF aesthetic. If you’ve ever owned any of the Star Trek paperbacks from the 70s, before TMP and Simon & Schuster standardized the Trek brand, you might get the idea.
- I say all of this in spite of the fact that this film violates one of big peaves: cute kids with hip pitched voices and bowl cuts. Just to prove that I’m not on the Paramount payroll, I’ll admit that I did think of Cousin Oliver from the Brady Bunch when I saw/heard young JTK. But the rest of it was so good that I’ll just quote HUDSUCKER PROXY: “you know, for the kids?”
And that’s the big picture here, true believers. This Star Trek reminds me of what baby boomers say about marijuana these days and how it’s so much more powerful than when they were teenagers. This is a much more potent drug with which to addict and bond with your spouse and kids.
“I feel young.”
- James T. Kirk
The bootleg trailer is also on iesb.net:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5761&Itemid=99
499. hamz
Tada! Pike in yellow.
http://e.imagehost.org/0047/stxipike.png
No ST trailer but who cares!!
QOS was fantastic!!
Remember the fact that the Enterprise is brand new at the time of the movie…so it’s gonna be extra shiny.
Saw the trailer, like I’ve said before, it is great to see the cheapskates at Paramount actually spend money, it is looking epic, but previews are still not an indicator.
I’m looking forward to this, but still have to say that the new E exterior is a crime, the old one is soo much better.
503. ShawnP
Thanks! Looks great :-)
RE: 501. Jeffries Tuber
Well said. I’ve looked over the boot more than two dozen times.
I’m psyched and still taking it all in. Can’t wait to see it with QoS tomorrow and in HD on Monday.
This could well be a sign that I’ll see the movie a few times in the theater this may….
STAR TREK LIVES!
…only 173 more days…
434. TOG
I don’t think that’s a DS9-era uniform. I think that’s Quinto with Winona…er, Spock with Amanda.
http://e.imagehost.org/0923/stxiamanda.png
Brandon, I think your critic may have been saying that your blog seems not to exist… I clicked on the link and got “blog removed”
Anyway, #498 Devon, me too. The Kelvin is getting the living sh*t kicked out of it, and it is chilling to see the saucer section receive so much damage. Now, I hated Nemesis, but I suffered through it twice just because I wanted to see the E get some real battle damage. But this trailer takes the cake. I feel like this movie is going to show some serious ass-whooping — and I gotta tell you guys, if there was one thing I was tired of in all flavors of Trek, it was the bridge stations blowing up standing in for real ship-on-ship brawls.
This trailer definitely weighs in in favor of style over substance, but that’s what trailers do, it’s their lot in life. I have seen more trailers portray movies as fast-paced romps that were actually slow-boil psychological thrillers than I care to remember. (Ever see the trailer for “Limbo” by John Sayles? It makes the movie look like “The Edge”. The movie itself is largely a quiet work.)
I take heart that we all know the story revolves around young Spock and old Spock averting disaster through a time travel story. (I am reminded a little of the “Shockwave” 2-parter in ST:Ent.) Action there will be, but not so much as will spoil the thrust of the story, I don’t think.
Saw it..Liked it….’nough said.
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I’d love it if you could post some things like that on my website…
http://deck-one.org/forum
Don’t make me get out the mind meld.
One thing i LOVE about this movie (having seen the trailer and the four scenes) is actually Earth.
Kirk’s desertic futuristic Iowa, as well as the academy, the bar, etc, make the future earth that Starfleet protects much more original and real that ever. I’m very much into blade runner and cyberpunk, and really appreciate some dusty high tech earth to add to my favourite franchise.
I love the armoured cop, by the way.
512 voyager — no time to join now, will look into it later….
I forgot to mention, I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and there are parts of it that could, in the future, look like that. Just follow Third St. down East all the way to the water… looks desolate and industrial.
^ “look like that” meaning as it looks in the trailer.
Where in the bay area?
489. Jeff D
Well you are not alone; I am not that keen on the effect if it is the Federation beaming down effect. I was hoping they where going to go with a slightly updated effect of the original. I mean I could buy it if it’s from the Romulan Ship or maybe a time travel effect. But I agree it looks more magical swirl than the effect we are used to. At the end of the trailer they use the original sound of the transporter so maybe there is some hope.
Overall though I don’t mind as long this ISN’T a reboot. I will feel a bit cheated if the time travel creates a new timeline where all we know of the history of the future is changed. I mean its not life or death but Star Trek has been a big thing for me.
I have spent a lot of time watching all the series over the years and I would be annoyed to find out this film wipes all those hours of adventures and friendships just to get this story to please a larger audience, who on the whole will probably pick it up as quickly as they put it back down.
I don’t think Star Trek will ever appeal to the masses just because there is a stigma attached to it. I understand JJ Abrams and his team are trying to break Trek free from that but I hope it’s not at the cost of all that the long time fans of all or most of the series.
If you are out down the pub or our out with friends and the subject of Science fiction comes up in conversation then its Star Wars that will always be much more acceptable to most people because everyone, even those who don’t really get it say its cool. I think that’s because it lacks the depth of Star Trek has and is easier to pick up and put down when you like.
The trouble with Star Trek is people see it as a bit cheesy and a bit complex with all the different crews and past story to take in. To the casual viewer with only a small knowledge of Star Trek they probably aren’t even aware of the time differences between the series and on the whole it’s just regarded as geeky. Well I know geeky has become a cool thing to be lately but geeky before it was cool.
First time poster!
I just saw the trailer and I had my doubts but this is Star Trek for the “Next Generation” and I got a chill – a good one. Only problem could be Simon Pegg’s nasally sounding Scots accent – but apart from that as an “old time” Trekky I am impressed……..
One thing about the trailer is that they should have ended with the music they ended the teaser with..it’s much more epic and would haev finished the trailer on a high..rather than the chimes of the original series as in this one
#517 That’s because “people at the pub” usually don’t know a lot about ScienceFiction. Star Wars is especially more acceptable because it isn’t Science Fiction, but Fantasy. ScienceFiction films have more intelligence and realism.
Late comment (mid 500s) but looks great to me, really great!
Star Trek continues to evolve & takes its place in the modern world. Great piece of work be that trailer. Really adds to my 40+ years of experience of Start Trek with the detail & passionate ‘now’ of the modern age.
I like it.
WOW
This movie seems amazing
Trek needed new blood
By the way, if you get your knickers in a twist over a transporter effect … (?)
some of us (I hope) are just keen to see another Star Trek adventure, simple as that.
Glad I didn’t spend 10 bucks to see the trailer, based on all of the reviews of Quantum of Solace. Just a matter of time before You Tube had it up.
Transformers was a good popcorn movie and I imagine Abrams’ Star Trek will be too. Its unfortunate you have to dumb something down enough so that it appeals to the masses. But I imagine that’s what you have to do in this day and age to make a buck – and that’s what its all about. I don’t fault Abrams for that. The movie looks like it will have the requisite amount of things blowing up, sex, and wild camera angles to please the MTV generation – and just enough classic Star Trek references thrown in to please the mainline Trek fan. Angst-ridden kid who needs a slap in the face to get him on the right path? Check. Gratuitous Porky’s breast shot? Check. Lots of simulated hand-held camera shots? Check. Overwhelming special effects which make you overlook glaring plot holes? Check. I agree with many who have said that it looks like every other Sci Fi movie made over the past few years. Its my opinion from looking at the trailer that most of the true spirit of what Star Trek is all about has been lost.
Few people are going to read this far, but hopefully Anthony will. I can’t believe, after all the times it’s been pointed out, that there are still people that can’t see the difference between the spelling of caNNon and caNon. Come on, people. How about a sticky at the beginning of every new thread, Anthony? This is ridiculous. It’s almost as bad as calling it Star Track.
#525 Mark: How about the constant murdering of “trailer”
i.e. “trailor”, “traylor”, etc.
Everytime they say canon I think of my camera.
& that is the best point probably raised so far.
Look out for my cannon!
Nick you should join my website…
Hell I should just add it to all of my posts, would be more efficient.
And I guess this trailer once and for all settles the canonical question: the Enterprise was fully constructed on Earth. In Iowa, apparently.
I don’t think that’s Iowa.
Thanks a trillion to the guys who posted the bootlegs.
I like the trailer, with the caveat that it is probably a skewed representation of the movie designed to pull in a broad action-obsessed younger audience.
I like the look of the effects, and I’m optimistic (perhaps naively so) that the story will be what WE want it to be.
I’m still not overly convinced about the Enterprise. The warp pylons are at a much steeper angle, and the secondary hull seems to weedy.
I don’t understand the whinging about canyons in Iowa. I reckon someone could dig a bloody big hole in the next 300 years if they put their mind to it.
And as for the ‘science’ advisor – I know her, and I don’t have any respect for her personally or her ‘science’.
531. voyager: joking. I realize that JTK is probably tooling around the SF shipyards on his bike.
525. Mark – November 15, 2008
Few people are going to read this far, but hopefully Anthony will. I can’t believe, after all the times it’s been pointed out, that there are still people that can’t see the difference between the spelling of caNNon and caNon. Come on, people. How about a sticky at the beginning of every new thread, Anthony? This is ridiculous. It’s almost as bad as calling it Star Track.
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I’ve readed everything so far. ;P
I’m not even english. Maybe the rest of the people writing “cannon” aren’t either.
#532 Me neither. In the trailer we may be seeing Iowa first, and then California—edited together. I don’t think they would break with such a major part of canon.
New Trailer-
http://www.vimeo.com/2246656.
Its Amazing!!
Well it also wouldn’t make much sense to construct a giant starship in the middle of Iowa.
#535 (Cheve): “Canon” is written like that in almost every other language on Earth.
#537
WHY ????????????????????????????????
#538 Well, I could think of a development/infrastructure program for underdeveloped regions of the US. ;)
Frankly, builiding it on Earth at all is mental.
But, I mean, why SF over Iowa?? Why not? Would anyone in the 17th century have thought that Snohomish County Washington would be the place to build airplanes???
Gaaaaaahhhh. Why am I turning into such a dork.
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
Because I hate to say it, but it’s established that the Enterprise was built in the San Francisco shipyards and I’m pretty sure that Abrahms is sticking with that.
WHOA! Holy sh*t! That trailer is one hell of a blast!
Sounds and looks like a lot of fun!
I hope and think (In Nimoy I trust^^) that the story and Trek-feeling will be as good as the trailer!
This one is gonna be BIG!!!
Star Trek is alive!
#542
Fair enough
Oh, and thanks again for posting the trailer last night. Woohoo!
Someone alluded to THC somewhere on here. If memory serves me correctly, THC comes from a plant does it not? You know what they say – if it walks like a plant and smokes like a plant, it very might well be a plant.
:::: watching the trailer over and over ::::
#544 I don’t know if Star Trek is alive… we have to wait until next summer. Let’s agree that it isn’t dead. ;)
545
“Someone alluded to THC somewhere on here. If memory serves me correctly, THC comes from a plant does it not? You know what they say – if it walks like a plant and smokes like a plant, it very might well be a plant.”
I might be smoking a plant before seeing this flick!!
542. voyager – November 15, 2008
Because I hate to say it, but it’s established that the Enterprise was built in the San Francisco shipyards and I’m pretty sure that Abrahms is sticking with that.
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Actually, it is “San Francisco Shipyards Orbiting Eath”. Not San Francisco itself.
The “San Francisco shipyards” are in a a space station in orbit around earth.
As far as we know, “San francisco shipyards” could be the name of the docking bay in starbase 1 from which it makes its first flight out of orbit.
#530 K. Thatcher
….depending on which ‘alternative timeline’ Trek you choose to go with…. ;)
Ah yes thank you that’s the part I wasn’t entirely sure of. Still wouldn’t make too much sense to build it in Iowa unless Kirk was riding his bike one day and saw it under construction and throught to himself “I want to be the captain of that ship”.
This Web have Two Trailers more.
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Awesome trailer.
I’m sure the next trailer will be longer, feature more of the story and pacing. This was clearly a teaser trailer aimed at wowing as wide an audience as possible. It managed to do that and yet still pack in tons of details to pour over, and its clearly still ‘Star Trek’.
Star Trek lives, ladies and gentlemen. :)
sounds good from everyone’s response.. but i’m waiting till Mon, watch the full HD version, fullscreen, Bose C5′s cranked up! i and i’m an old camaro/vette guy so the corvette intro only exites me more =P
2 days, 5 hrs…. yeesh!
Czech Trekkies saw the new trailer from 01:47am :o)
http://www.trekkies.cz/view.php?cisloclanku=2008110035&rstema=&stromhlmenu=
I will leave my final judgment until after I see the movie. While the trailer did look awesome, it may take some time to get used to.
I guess I just missed the Alexander Courage signature trumpet line. Also, it just flashed a whole bunch of images without telling me much… which I guess is good if you want to preserve the plot/
We shall see next summer!!
I LOVE the look of that trailer, and I’ve been a consistent Star Trek fan for 30 years!
While I had mixed feelings about some of the casting, now that I can see what’s being done, I’m very impressed. The scope and intensity look truly gigantic and modern, and the sense that there will be a character-driven action adventure story there is real! Quinto’s 1st line of dialogue actually sounds like Nimoy, and in the scene where he’s materializing, I could almost imagine it was Nimoy extracted from an old episode…. I was surprised! I hadn’t liked Chris Pine in other movies, but in context he looks like he’ll be fine. What I’m most impressed with is the artistic design and mostly the directing style. Some might complain that it’s too MTV, but everything evolves decade by decade. Like Batman or Bond, there will be new and sometimes concurrent versions of these franchises/stories, and I for one am glad this looks so fresh but true to the spirit!
Just don’t like the trailer. It may have Star Trek in the title, but it is not as such to me. Guess I’m just too old to accept this new version.
I don’t think I will be bothering to go to the cinema to see this, but will once it is on DVD in the bargain bucket.
I hope everyone else enjoys it, but it is not for me. For me Star Trek was at its best with TMP. Great ship, wonderful cinematography, believable characters, good story, realistically told within the parameters of it being science fiction of course.
What I mean by this is that you could believe these people being in charge of a starship, making decisions that would decide whether the Earth survived or not.
Star Trek 90210 indeed.
We will see next year of course. I really hope that I am wrong.
Finally the trailer I’ve been waiting for!!!!!!
This movie will become the defintive sci-fi adventure!!!!!
CAN’T WAIT FOR THIS MOVIE!!!!!!
This Star Trek is Dead it has no soul
Watching the Trailer actually Reminded me of Frakes Thunderbirds
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LFspx3pPrHY
well i cant see any problem with it except its 5 months away, the trailer was amazing even in the form of hand held cam.. cant wait for the trailer to be out in the UK so i can enjoy it on the big screen,
I cant see any thing wrong in the direction its being taken, the film franchise began to go down hill after Kahn if you ask me and Im an old fan, for as long as iv been watching TV, the original trek im a bit too young for but have watched them all despite it, this was a long wait for some thing viable and energizing to come along and kick start TREK, a legacy that has been around since my dad was a toddler, genes vision wont be harmed by a phaser set to stun it will just give it a boost and a new way of spreading his vision. to a new audience as well as the life long fans like me, all i can say for all the wrinkled foreheads out there with worry you will look like klingons if you dont stop, sit back and enjoy then criticize after you have watched it. even i might walk out disappointed, but knowing JJs work i think its a long shot that itll be S H 8 T
live long and prosper
re: 403. Universal Tim – November 14, 2008
“Well, they are certainly taking Star Trek in the “action-and-angst” direction, and I don’t know what to think about that.”
I know what to think about it. Repulsive.
Scratching my head at how viewing THAT trailer could give anyone the impression that this is Star Trek. As 408. Spock said above, it’s been turned into “everything else.”
Yeah, the actual movie end up to have elements of Star Trek, but the primary focus seems to be to pander to the short attention span audience (of which there seems to be many). On that level, the film will probably succeed and result in gazillions earned and even worse product in the sequels.
If THAT’s how you want “the franchise” to live, well……
516 voyager — Oakland, right near MacArthur BART station, but I have been to that part of SF a lot (industrial areas being good places for underground dance parties as well as the future construction lots for interstellar starships).
520 Schultz — self-satisfied much? There’s a lot of elitism on this thread. For the last time, you cannot judge a movie by its trailer. Trailers are *meant* to sensationalize.
What is this “this is not your daddy’s Star Trek” nonsense? It either -is- Star Trek or it -isn’t- Star Trek.
And as far as I can tell, this is more Star Trek than Voyager ever was.
‘I was just hoping for a movie that had substance and depth to it, rather than a mindless parade of special effects that will only satisfy the geek crowd.’
What would satisfy ‘the geek crowd IS a movie of substance, that does not walk all over canon, for example spock had better be experiencing Pon Far in that trailer or else all canon relating to his character has been destroyed. If so, I would catalogue this film as yet another non-trek creation that carries the name and/or logo but not the heart or soul of trek.
This is where the Enterprise will be built. Go to: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=450%20cargo%20way%20sf%20ca&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=il
And look at the Street view.
there, I said it.
What if old Spock tells young Spock that in order to save Kirk, he has to fight with him, the ramifications of which will be that Kirk won’t be well enough to go on some fateful trip? I’m just saying, there are many, many ways to reconcile the whole Spock vs. Kirk brawl.
Wow…. Saw the trailer. This is definitely going to be a different Star Trek and as a follower for nearly 40 years I must say that I am most intrigued!!!
‘make it feel mainstream again so that people start to be comfortable telling their friends that it rocks.’
When was any episode of the original series ever considered mainstream? Did it get where it got catering to shallow minds who want nothing but action/adventure movies dressed in sci fi garb? By the time I was born the next generation was already on so I cannot vouch for direct experience, only my intimate studies of trek over my short life time. But as far as I understand it, the original series was never mainstream during its original run. In fact the specific demographic it appealed to was ‘the geek’ crowd. This was the case all the way through the end of the next generation and halfway through the run of voyager, as far as my studies have concluded. Therefor it is preposterous and illogical to assume that trek ever needed to appeal to a ‘mainstream crowd’ circa 1966 or 2009. Its core base was always those who believed strongly in the principles it espoused. its philosophy. Otherwise ‘buck rogers in the 25th century’ or something similar would be what we were discussing. Bottom line is this, if this film portrays the characters as action heroes, it will fail to say anything about what Gene roddenberry envisioned for the future of humanity. And If the film seeks to cater to a general action movie goer, what will happen to it is that it will be forgotten when the next blockbuster comes out, just like every other action movie on the market.
Saw the trailer. The movie may survive the questionable redesign of the Enterprise. The passion of the original characters appears to be back. It looks to me like it is going to be very good but not quite what we are used to. Unless you can digitally create the original actors and make a more realistic looking animated/cg film than Toy Story, this is a good as it gets. Thankfully, it avoids the ponderous emotional detachment of the spinoff series. As long as JJ does not stray far from the original characters and concept, this should be the start of a new series of films. I am guessing the C2 Corvette did not really go over the cliff. Looks like it was the model that would have been in production at the time of TOS.
570 at the same time you have to broaden the fan base to survive as anything but a cult and cultural footnote. TOS had lots of action in it and still managed to tell some meaningful stories.
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‘Yeah, the actual movie end up to have elements of Star Trek, but the primary focus seems to be to pander to the short attention span audience (of which there seems to be many). On that level, the film will probably succeed and result in gazillions earned and even worse product in the sequels.
If THAT’s how you want “the franchise” to live, well……’
I feel your pain. I always thought the key element of trek was the way it showed how humanity and its myriad sensibilities evolved between now and the time of treks future events.
It’s just a fact that, if the human race does not temper its emotions with some stoicism then it simply will perish. That has always been why humans in trek seem to almost have a vulcan quality.
And naturally that vulcan stoicism evolved further in the next generation, picard being the perfect example. Although still human and very emotional, there is a sensitivity to him that makes him a more evolved person than your average action hero.
If this film portrays humans as arrogant action heroes what it will do is gut the essence of trek entirely. What makes the original and the next generation believable to me is the characters and how they evolved into more stoic beings compared to human beings of today.
The reason they convince me to suspend disbelief is the thought that humanity survived because it became more vulcan-like in some ways, while maintaining its root qualities of passion, but necessarily supplementing it with that added quality.
I just cannot see the human race surviving into the 23rd century on a steady diet of arrogance and the need to run around like apes..
Brandon, thanks for the compliment!
’570 at the same time you have to broaden the fan base to survive as anything but a cult and cultural footnote. TOS had lots of action in it and still managed to tell some meaningful stories.’
If expanding it equates to extracting its essence from it, then I would rather they just made some other kind of action-adventure-sci fi flick that had no star trek correlation at all. This way that can be forgotten like every other action flick in the world, when the next big action film comes along, and treks (and roddenberrys) name is not further soiled by a group of people putting corporate interest above substance.
Now I know trek has always generated revenue, but not by catering and pandering to mass audiences. That is just a contradiction of treks purpose. If this film is 3 parts action and 1 part trekdom, it will miss the mark completely. People aren’t sitting around worshipping transformers because they recognize it as just another action hero film.
Star trek was never recognized as just another property, it was always something special, always something philosophical, always something that invoked minds and required a greater attention span. If the requirements for trek are now lessened to include these short attention spans they will not get it, because there will be nothing to get. Get it?
Getting it was always the beauty of trek, and yea, you had to try just a little…
570. databrain
With all due respect I recommend saving your rant until we see the finished product. This trailer represents two minutes of a nearly two hour movie and is designed to make people who are mostly unaware of Trek to sit up and take note.
I have been with Trek almost since the beginning and I am very intrigued with where this is going. Not ready to comitt one way or the other because there is insufficient data and far too much speculation.
Just watcheed the trailer at work with no sound. looks awsome, can’t wait to get home and here it with sound
548
AFAIK the only TOS reference that we have to where the 1701 was built is the dedication plaque, which simply states:
“San Francisco, Calif.”
Sounds like a location ON Earth and not in orbit to me but that is a supposition.
My opinion, FWIW, is that any civilization that has mastered gravity and matter (the way the TOS-era UFP has) would be able to build the ship at either location without a problem. Assuming that is true, then the question becomes, what is best for the construction workers? IMO, being planetside is.
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Thanks to those that put up the trailers. Can’t wait till Monday for the HD version. While I still have some concerns about the depth of this version of ST, the trailer surely does deliver on the promise of action and adventure.
Uh Oh!
Its on you tube
don’t watch it folks it doesn’t do it justice
‘With all due respect I recommend saving your rant until we see the finished product. This trailer represents two minutes of a nearly two hour movie and is designed to make people who are mostly unaware of Trek to sit up and take note.
I have been with Trek almost since the beginning and I am very intrigued with where this is going. Not ready to comitt one way or the other because there is insufficient data and far too much speculation.’
Dude I will say what I want based on what is thus far presented. if you can say, based on what you’ve been shown thus far, that this film will be amazing, then I can say, based on same, whatever it is I well please. Thanks for the ‘recommendation’ though. Have a nice day.
And notice I use the word ‘if’ a lot too in my statements…
574 I think Spock himself started out in TOS unable to control his emotions, later gained control and then in the movie series (after TMP) reconciled his rationality with emotion. “Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.” I wouldn’t want to see a movie containing Vulcans exclusively.
562 — That “short attention span audience” is called “the general public,” and yes, this trailer AND EVERY TRAILER MADE THESE DAYS is aimed at those people. (Except movies of Jane Austen books or from M. Night Shyamalan.)
What did you expect, a slow-and-ponderous trailer like the ones for TMP? Personally, TMP is in some ways my favorite Trek, right up there with TWOK, because TMP was all about the people, the ideas and ideals, and the belief that the “human adventure” didn’t require laser blasts and explosions.
But this isn’t 1979, and trailers aren’t made that way anymore, and THIS version of Trek is following the TWOK/TUC/FC/etc. trend of action/excitement first, Trek ideals second, and Trek canon last. (TWOK introduced us to Kirk’s son and then killed Spock, for god’s sake! TUC changed the characters’ personalities to fit Meyers’ political statements!)
I’m a Trekkie from the early 1970s, I grew up on the pre-Pocket novels (loved the Phoenix novels!), and I was a cheerleader for TNG until it actually came out and, well, blew chunks (IMHO). I’ve watched the premieres of each new series to give it a chance BEFORE deciding that I did or didn’t like them.
Why can’t you try to have that kind of open mind? Isn’t that what Trek is about in many ways–keeping our minds open to possibilities?
#329. Re score: I could guess everything up to the Paramount logo could be original, plus a take on the classic theme ( like 3 notes )?
Don’t want to go off topic, but if u like trailer music, check http://www.twostepsfromhell.com/ – these guys do so much music you recoginise, including the GREAT piece in the WALL-E trailer as he leaves Earth and reaching the Axxiom (?) which for me had a Trek feel to it.
Check this link for their 2008 video reel – http://www.twostepsfromhell.com/videos.php
‘Why can’t you try to have that kind of open mind? Isn’t that what Trek is about in many ways–keeping our minds open to possibilities?’
So you’re suggesting we keep our minds opened to someone else closing them with pandering, action-cliche drivel? As spock would say, quite illogical. Arguably, the only serious action oriented trek film would be the wrath of khan, but even that one didn’t place action over ideal. Granted it was evenly divided between action and idealism, but if this film is 90% action and 10% idealism, it will completely miss the mark and be forgotten, just like the remake of planet of the apes.
Saw the bootleg trailer. Very fast paced. Can’t wait for the movie. I thinks JJ has nailed it. Something new, refreshing and energizing. I remember when TNG came out and many “hard-core” fans had the same criticisms others are saying about JJ’s Trek. Now look how popular TNG is. The new E is great. The trailer creates excitement. I can’t wait for May ’09.
And by the way I was referring to trek films featuring the original series cast in that last statement.
Wow!!! If this is the direction that JJ and Co. wants to go then by all means
“Then Go Man Go!!” Linus Van Pelt. Seriously, my mind is blown….drools uncontrollably all over his shirt.
One thing I’ve always begrudgingly admired about Star Wars is that it finds new ways to market itself. “The Clone Wars” TV cartoon, for example. Just when you think they couldn’t squeeze out another midochlorian out of the franchise, they come up with another layer of the Skywalker story, played by entirely new actors (voice actors, this time).
Now, admittedly, Trek had already had the animated angle down when Star Wars was just in diapers. And, in a sense, the character design of the Trek was, frankly, closer to its live-action original than TCW has turned out to be. But LucasFilm has done its best, and succeeded, in keeping SW near the top of the public consciousness.
I agree with those who say that you have to reinvigorate Star Trek, one way or another. If this movie does that, and even if we get another animated ST series because of it, then it will have done its job. Kirk’s backstory, April, Pike , the Romulan war — all these are ripe for the picking.
Ideally, I’d like to see another series of Trek films, of course. But I’ll take another TV series, of any kind, as well.
As I’ve written in my blog, the idea of this new administration seems to be that space is important, after a turn. President Obama is supposedly the the Trekker in Chief, or the first Trekkie President. Call him what you will, if he is as to space what his analog, JFK, was, a few years before Trek, then would it be too much to say to a Trek resurgent: Yes we can!
After years of benign neglect, may space exploration, and Trek, live long and prosper.
By the way, has anyone else noticed that the blue emblem for China’s space agency looks an awful lot like the symbol for Starfleet….?
’574 I think Spock himself started out in TOS unable to control his emotions, later gained control and then in the movie series (after TMP) reconciled his rationality with emotion. “Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.” I wouldn’t want to see a movie containing Vulcans exclusively.’
if this is the case why do most of the other characters, throughout the run of the original series, whenever spock shows an inkling of emotion, act like they never saw that particular quality expressed in him before? Amok Time being the perfect example. They treat emotion in spock as though it were a novel thing, and they are quite surprised whenever he reveals even the slightest. And I do believe spock had gained complete control over his emotions prior to joining toe academy, according to canon.
Guys, this debate over canon vs non-canon, ship design, ideals, is nice, but a little (no, a lot) silly. It’s a commercial enterprise (no pun intended), its fiction, therefore it can be changed in whatever manner the folks with the pursestrings dictates. Do I like the new Enterprise? Eh, not particularly. Do I like that its turned into a shoot-em-up? Eh, not particularly.
I would respectfully suggest we stop trying to reconcile it to canon. Its not even close. Canon says the Enterprise was around 13 years before Kirk commanded her, canon says no one from the TOS era saw Romulans until “Balance of Terror,” etc etc etc. That’s all being undone. Nothing we can do about it. This brings the greater question – so what? It isn’t a religion.
It looks like a good movie, a restart of a franchise unlike any other in pop culture, and one that sometimes met the high ideals it set out for itself – and made a buck or two along the way in the process.
Let’s just all sit back, take a deep breath, grab a box of popcorn, and just enjoy it – whatever the warts may be – as it comes? Sure would diminish all the angst. Heck, you might even find yourself entertained in the process.
Look…. I am gonna love this movie.. but the trailer sucked. no shot was long enough, except for the ugly, buck-toothed kid scene who looked like a cross between Bugs Bunny and the Sixth-Sense kid…
couldn’t make out anything important… and the phaser shot/flight scenes were just a blur…
Oh.. and there is no freaking wa James Kirk could have been around to see the Big E being built… sorry.. just blew the whole mythos out of the water… rewrite the book.. but.. that’s what you get for handing the keys of our beloved world over to a non Star Trek fan….
Still gonna watch it, still gonna love it.. still gonna buy it…
#591 I know character of Spock wasn’t developed in “The Cage” but he exhibited quite a bit of emotion in that show. Remember when they found the singing plants and he smiled from ear to ear. Not to mention his emotional exclamation “The women!”
@ 585
Thanks for the tip about the trailer music. If you enjoy this kind of music, there’s also another group I know of that makes ‘em exclusively for film advertising. They’re called X-Ray Dogs. They did that piece for the trailer of “Man on Wire”.
the trailer was epic. I haven’t been this anxious for a movie since Back to the Future II in 1989.
‘It looks like a good movie, a restart of a franchise unlike any other in pop culture, and one that sometimes met the high ideals it set out for itself – and made a buck or two along the way in the process.’
It will fail.
‘Let’s just all sit back, take a deep breath, grab a box of popcorn, and just enjoy it – whatever the warts may be – as it comes? Sure would diminish all the angst. Heck, you might even find yourself entertained in the process.’
nah I’ll leave that to the mindless general movie goers and I might even laugh a spiteful laugh when this film fails as a result of trying to reign in the beauty of something timeless with action movie drivel.. thanks for the ‘recommendation’ though.
#593 I already know too much about this movie. I don’t want a bunch of scenes in the trailer thats going to give the plot away. Little snippets like they did is plenty for me to get the “feel” of the movie and I can feel that this one s going to be a whoppin huge hit. I’ll bet 1000 quatloos that it smashes everything else for the summer on opening weekend.
Good trailer for a generic SciFi-Movie. But not a bit Trek feeling in it.
‘#591 I know character of Spock wasn’t developed in “The Cage” but he exhibited quite a bit of emotion in that show. Remember when they found the singing plants and he smiled from ear to ear. Not to mention his emotional exclamation “The women!”’
Only because he wasn’t fully developed to gene roddenberrys specs. I often consider the pilot a template, but not the essence of trek as it developed in the first season of the original series. And you have to remember the stoicism came from having to replace majel barrets character of number one with a male, albeit, alien character. So gene injected her qualities into spock and thus he was born. I think the template is considered just that, a template.
586 – databrain – “So you’re suggesting we keep our minds opened to someone else closing them with pandering, action-cliche drivel? As spock would say, quite illogical.”
First, no, I didn’t suggest anything like that. Nobody else can close your mind, Databrain, so my comment about open minds is very logical. And Spock is the one who said, “There are always possibilities,” so he would not say that my call for an open mind is illogical.
Second, TWOK very much emphasized action over ideals. I love the film, but it’s an adventure film, not an exercise in idealistic space exploration.
I don’t understand why a Trek fan would disagree with the idea of keeping an open mind. That’s…just nuts! Trek is all about open-minded thinking, from “infinite diversity in infinite combinations” to the idea that “there are always possibilities.”
Abrams’ Trek might suck horribly, no doubt–or it might give Trek a rebirth into a whole new realm of storytelling. We don’t know from a 2-minute clipfest. I am no fan of Abrams’s work; the few “Alias” episodes I watched bored me, and I think “Fringe” is bad on so many levels… So I’m very cautiously optimistic about what they’ve done with Trek.
But cautious optimism is a very Trek attitude. And it’s the only way that I–as a Trekkie–can approach any new incarnation of Trek.
And try to remember, nobody else can ever close your mind–you can only do that yourself.
Voodoo post # 220
As usual you were right on the money.
This does look like a Michael Bay film meets “Top Gun” in space.
Where is Leonard Nimoy as Spock? He is the major reason I want to see this film in the first place. What does it say that they didn’t put him in the trailer? Where is the Star Trek theme music? It’s almost like they are going too far out of the way to distance themselves from the Star Trek of the past.
This looks like we are seeing the dumbing down of Star Trek right in front of our eyes. If I wanted to see mindless special effects and hot looking people I would just watch my “Transformers” dvd. “Star Trek” especially TOS is better than that.
I was 99% positive about this film until I saw this trailer.
Instead of putting that sex scene between Kirk and whoever + Uhura taking her shirt off to show her bra they should have just had one of the charaters hold up a sign that says “HEY STAR TREK ISN’T FOR GEEKS ANY MORE. THERE ARE A LOT OF SHINY EXPLOSIONS, HOT CHICKS TAKING THEIR CLOTHES OFF AND PEOPLE GETTING LAID. It was like an annoying beer commercial.
I don’t want Star Trek to turn into a dumbed down series to attract the Independence Day/Armageddon crowd. If that’s the case they should have just kept the series dormant.
I don’t understand this criticism that ‘it looks like everything else’. What do you want it to look like, exactly? It’s a trailer. Did you want a two minute philosophical exchange between spock and sarek, or did you want to see a 1960s plastic model on the screen and some cardboard sets wobbling?
#603
lmao
did kirk just say: “Buckle Up” ?
Cheeeeeese…
watched 007 last night. No ST Trailer, very disapointing.
I took the leaked version and centered it etc.
http://www.vimeo.com/2248631
@ 603
Haha, who knows? XDD
At 1:27 when Nero is fighting the two…guards? Can’t tell if it’s Romulans or Klingons as they are both wearing full helmets/facemasks. At least that’s what it looks like.
Well, with the SW Prequels and Indy 4 in mind, I’m still not convinced that this is gonna work. The only thing, that this trailer says is: “We spent a lot of money”.
I don’t know if people are still reading this far down, but I have to say something.
To all of you who are saying that the new movie is going to be action-oriented/dumbed-down/un-intelligent, etc…
YOU ARE STUPID!
Now let me explain.
This is a movie trailer. EVERY trailer for EVERY movie highlights the action sequences. If a movie studio exec ever said, “I have an idea. Let’s take the slowest, most cerebral moments from the movie and pack them into the trailer!” they would be fired immediately.
There is absolutely no reason to think that this movie will be some cheap, popcorn movie. There is every reason to believe that we will have epic action along with subtle character moments. And to me, that makes a pretty darn good movie.
Lighten up, people. At this point, I get the impression that people are inventing things to be outraged about. And that’s just pathetic.
The trailer reconfirmed for me one thing:
This is not your father’s Star Trek.
And it shouldn’t have to be. I look forward to seeing what happens.
So I went to a midnight showing of QoS, and they did indeed have the Star Trek trailer. As much as I gripe about disavowing canon, I had to see the trailer–just as I will have to see the movie. I honestly didn’t love the trailer as I hoped. It seemed very… Star Wars Prequels to me. Which is exactly what I feared. Dear God, they even had a droid!
But what I wish you guys were posting more of is audience reactions. So I will tell you that my theater was packed to the brim, and they seemed genuinely interested until they saw the Enterprise. Then they knew it was Star Trek, and they all started talking and going back to their cell phones. I overheard people saying negative things about Star Trek–not a critique of any episode or movie, just negative things about Star Trek.
Abrams and his guys have their work cut out for them if you ask me.
Databrain
“Dude I will say what I want based on what is thus far presented. if you can say, based on what you’ve been shown thus far, that this film will be amazing, then I can say, based on same, whatever it is I well please. Thanks for the ‘recommendation’ though. Have a nice day.”
Never said a word about being amazed. Go back and read it again. I am not committed one way or the other at this point becuase all I’ve seen is a two minute trailer and a few screenshots. If that’s enough for you to make a decision then so be it. It’s not enough for me.
Quinto doesn’t sound good as Spock. He sounds like Mark Hamill FFS.
611. AP
“Lighten up, people. At this point, I get the impression that people are inventing things to be outraged about. And that’s just pathetic.”
I believe the correct term is “kneejerk reaction.” It’s quite common when people get a sense that their sacred cow is being gored….
What is the cloverfield monster doing in the trailer?
Trailer haters.
I was on here last night and saw the pirated trailer. I also read the opinions of those who panned it because they felt it was dumbed down, had many explosions, Spock showed emotions, the was no old Spock, it was written by those Transformers guys, it was directed by that LOST guy, Enterprise sucked, the kelvin has to have 2 nacelles, and on and on and on…
Go read #603…
It was a TWO minute commercial for the movie. It has to show excitement, it has to show the primary actors saying lines out of context BECAUSE there IS NO context yet. Some of you would have changed your tune completely had they taken the same exact trailer and added a snip of William Shatner saying “dillweed”
Relax a bit, you only saw pieces and yet you’ve already judged. Have opinions, but please think reasonably before you judge. Seems to me STII’s trailer had a few explosions and odd bits of dialogue too.
I don’t have any problem with healthy pro and con debates especially when it comes to Star Trek. Personally, I’ve had a major problem with trek for the past 15 years watching one dissapointing move after another and seeing it diluted with ho hum series just remaking the same ole same ole. I’ve been waiting for paramount to do something like this with Star Trek since Generations and actually wouldn’t have minded it they remade TNG and cannon be damned. It was TNG and all the subsequent series that made the cannon so difficult to get around. To me going back to the beginnning makes sense and maybe sweeping the nonsensicle crap of the last 20 years out of the way. I’m have very high hopes that this movie will indeed start a new and exciting era in Star Trek and this movie will be the huge hit they are aiming for. I just hope they can continue it for the sequels, I’ve already heard QOS was critically panned. I can’t join the bandwagon of fail wishers that are praying for a flop based on nothing. A lot of the critisism is so unfounded its just plain silly. I know I don’t have any more evidence to proclaim a success but I have to take what I’ve seen so far and the comments of those that have seen some of it not involved in the making and my only conclusion is that it will be very good. But, I’ll only know for sure on May 8th, 09. Til then I’ll be encouraging to other fans and not discouraging their optimism. I’m behind the Abrams team 100% and cheering for Star Trek once again. I know there are those that will hate this post but I don’t care. I have no anger toward the doubters, you have every right to your own feelings as do I. Just don’t put everyone else down and try to make them feel stupid because they support something they believe in. The core Star Trek fans will NOT make this movie a success. They already tried it that way with TNG films. Doesn’t work. Opinons here today aren’t going to mean anything on opening day so be careful what you say, it may come back to haunt you……..that applies to me as well. :)
605 – I seem to remeber Kirk telling everybody to “Remember here we Parked!” in relation to a stolen Klingon Bird of Prey in Star Trek IV. This new line doesn’t seem out of character to me.
“Remember Where…” sorry!
@602 Ivory
Right on!! Your post just summed up all my reaction after seeing this trailer. You made my day!
I was actually trying to be optimistic until I saw Uhura taking off her shirt and that other scene down the line with Kirk in the dark, lol… I mean… what the heck… why do that? Star Trek isn’t supposed to be like that. Other movies, yes… not Star Trek.
After seeing all those “I loved it” reactions, I was beginning to think I must be really out of place here. I decided to post here for the first time just to congratulate you. I’m glad there are people like you and some others here who can actually think further than seeing all those pretty effects.
To the others, sorry.. I’m not trying to rain on your parade, just expressing my opinion. It’s sad. We either have this type of Star Trek, or see the franchise fade away. It’s like choosing to either die or live paralysed for the rest of your life.
What I’ve always wondered is….what was it about Next Gen that made it so successful? It had a very large viewership in the last few years. It was a thought provoking show, everything Star Trek is supposed to be…and it relied on characters rather than an onslaught of SFX. What happened? Since Next Gen, the solution seems to be throwing more FX on the screen…more distractions and wow factor. I’m not dissing this movie for that…I’m just curious how a show like Next Gen was so popular only to have the movies fizzle out the way they did.
didnt old spacedock look better? it had a more clean design (hope non-designer people understand what i mean)
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap805981vm3.png
#602 Where is the Star Trek theme music?
It’s there, at the very end when the flash the title. You can hear the first few notes of the TV theme.
624 — Are you thinking of the spacedock in ST III?
@#623
Yes, I have the same thoughts.
‘Just don’t put everyone else down and try to make them feel stupid because they support something they believe in. ‘
Uh, I believe in star trek. I specifically believe in gene roddenberrys vision of it. I do NOT believe in diluting it and dumbing it down into a fascimile of everything else on the market. Seems we each have our ‘beliefs’. Or did you just use that word to augment what you were saying?
And what precisely do ‘they’ believe in? A Star trek that is not Star Trek? Is it that important for these haters of genes original vision to morph it into what they see fit to just as rick berman began to do toward the end? If the answer to this question is yes, then I can only ask why.
But I can envision I will not have an answer to this, but more ad hominem comments on the part of the ‘believers’ of this project as to why we are wrong and they are right. And with this said, let us now differentiate between those who believe in Genes original vision and those who believe in marketing and JJ abrams. Because they are two completely separate entities. The former loves real trek, the latter hates it.
Here is the new trailer folks:
http://www.vimeo.com/2246656
YOU TUBE
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L-nxe7QLkyk
enjoy :-)
Are all those people complaining about some skin on show in the trailer forgetting that kirk shagged his way around the galaxy pretty much throughout the whole of TOS? Not Star Trek? Please
I’m honestly not sure we’ll be getting an intelligent trailer. That’s not to say that I think the new movie will be dumbed down. I can’t say. I’m actually hoping for something very intelligent, something that will truly explain what’s going on with the canon (alternate timelines, etc.). And if they erase canon, I want a great reason, a great explanation. BUT. Studio executives know that intelligence doesn’t sell movies. MIndless action does. Say what you will, wax poetic about how the human race is evolving into what Gene would have wanted, whatever ridiculous Trekkie garbage you want to buy into, but no one ever went broke underestimating people. To sell this movie, Paramount has to make it look like a tailor-made playground for the bevy of benightedly addlepated philistines who make up the vast majority of our population.
It is my personal theory, however, that you can either have stupid Star Trek that’s popular or intelligent Trek that’s unpopular. To me, Trek has always been a cult (perhaps even a fetish) property that can only penetrate the pop culture through slang on occasion. The meat of the franchise is always going to fall by the wayside for the intellects to seize and claim as their own.
Wow! That was a great trailer.
I am excited now, Pine and Quinto look good in the uniforms and Zoe looks hot as Uhura.
I am excited now.
It also confirms that this film will not be my Star Trek, hopefully the spirit of the original will still be in there.
628. “And with this said, let us now differentiate between those who believe in Genes original vision and those who believe in marketing and JJ abrams. Because they are two completely separate entities. The former loves real trek, the latter hates it.”
I guess you’ve forgotten about the battle between Nimoy and Roddenberry over the latter’s desire to show the “IDIC” symbol in TOS. It was purely a MARKETING ploy by Roddenberry to sell trinkets through his company, Lincoln Enterprises. And, of course, TMP had the first Happy Meal movie tie-in–that’s called marketing.
You make a claim with no merit–that is, that those who love Roddenberry’s ideals can’t be the same as those who are giving Abrams a chance. Even Roddenberry pointed out that someday, someone would do a whole new version of Trek from his. So there’s no need for the spiteful distinction.
Some of us love the ideals of Roddenberry, including infinite diversity in infinite combinations, and therefore we are open to this new movie’s possibilities. To judge the entire film on what we have so far is simply impossible, and pointless in the extreme.
Calling people “haters of genes original vision” is an empty, childish attack. No need for it, anyway, because it’s inaccurate. Being open to new things doesn’t imply hatred of the old.
‘To sell this movie, Paramount has to make it look like a tailor-made playground for the bevy of benightedly addlepated philistines who make up the vast majority of our population.’
Then why not just make any old action movie with no trek correlation at all? Those seem to sell way better than any trek film ever did. Why does trek have to have any involvement at all with the general consumer? The general action movie goer always hated star trek and always will. If someone who is in love with, say, the last die hard film ends up liking this, then it is only because this is not trek but something resembling it in name only.
As a Star Trek fan I am still angry that JJ Abrams changed too damn much. After viewing the trailer I feel more excited.
I will treat it as a Universe B to the universe A of the rest. That way I can accept this movie and still love all that has gone before.
I want to see footage of Nimoy
At the end of the trailer when you Spock lunge at someone, notice that the film is flipped; that is, the insignia is over his liver instead of his heart.
Please fix. Thank you.
I don’t get this “dumbed down” accusation. Trek has always had a healthy dollop of action, humour and sex, TOS most of all. Not every episode was equally high brow; some were cartoonish, some action-led, and some nigh-on idiotic.
Likewise some entries in the original movie series were all about character with SF window-dressing and scarcely a nod towards philosophy. TWOK for example.
The whole reason that Trek has endured is that it can embody a wide range of styles, tones and genres, and no single movie is ever going to capture the full gamut of what Trek represents. Any filmmaker has to pick and choose what aspects of Trek will be foregrounded in one particular story. To say that an action/character flick doesn’t represent TOS is like saying that TMP lacks fist fights or TWOK lacks exploration – completely true in each case, but also missing the point.
‘You make a claim with no merit–that is, that those who love Roddenberry’s ideals can’t be the same as those who are giving Abrams a chance.’
I said nothing like this. What i said is that people who keep saying trek must be altered to suit the ‘general audience’ as opposed to ‘the geek factor’ pretty much seem to hate trek and love JJ abrams. Which is I think a factual statement.
‘Some of us love the ideals of Roddenberry, including infinite diversity in infinite combinations, and therefore we are open to this new movie’s possibilities.’
The possibility of ending the meaning envisioned in that famous vulcan axiom is all I see thus far. Nice attempt at semantics though. You people are getting better at it every day.
‘Calling people “haters of genes original vision” is an empty, childish attack.’
Unlike the countless names thrown at ‘trekkies’ on this very page by the believers in JJ and the new film? Tell you what, here’s a piece of cake just for you, and you can even eat it too.
I think I am now officially a mega fan of JJ Abrams. I love everything he does! EVERYTHING.
you guys are crazy if you’re not excited about this!!!
@637
… when you see Spock lunge ….
‘I don’t get this “dumbed down” accusation. Trek has always had a healthy dollop of action, humour and sex, TOS most of all. Not every episode was equally high brow; some were cartoonish, some action-led, and some nigh-on idiotic.’
Not a single episode of the original series relied solely on action. There was, without exception, always a message at the nucleus which was the main driving force.
# 618- Xai
Please go read post number 220…
That post by Voodoo said everything I wanted to say in a more diplomatic manner.
635– Star Trek is a brand name. Take note: With this movie, they have taken great pains to have their toys back in retailing stores. They are trying to draw the children in with toys and Burger King happy meals. They are trying to draw in young males with sex. This is normal. As far as Paramount is concerned, they’re sitting on something that is a potential cash cow. The fact that they’re sitting on something like Star Trek (which could be selling as much merch as Star Wars is) is sacrilegious. So they have to make it hip again. They’re trying to make it cool to the kids and teens and young adults because that’s where the money is. And Trek has the definite potential to grab kids like Die Hard couldn’t because of content or an unfamiliarity with the original content. And even the studio in charge of Die Hard 4 had them cut material (poorly I might add) to make it a PG 13 so kids could go see it too. It’s all about the kids. Take a gander at what makes the most money now: Comic book movies and Hannah Montana–not to mention those dreadful High School Musical movies.
#642 – Databrain
I agree.
639 – Databrain, I try to engage in a rational conversation with you, and you attempt to sound smart while being insulting to everyone you disagree with. You throw around words like “logic” and “semantics” as if you understand them, then show that you don’t with your next comments.
You clearly hate everything about this new movie and its possibilities. Fine, that’s your right. Many of us here are open to the chance that this movie might be a great Trek film. It’s called ‘optimism.” Try it sometime, it feels good and Roddenberry would be proud.
To everyone else–isn’t it great that we have new Star Trek to look forward to? And to argue about? Something to get excited about and hopeful about after too many years of disappointments?
‘So they have to make it hip again.’
It was never ‘hip’ to begin with. That is why it always drew in the geeks more or less and alienated the general populace. Face it, trek was always a niche market and always will be. Every attempt to make it more than that has failed.
Star Trek XI seems to be an other “big action movie”… I’m afraid.
647- I resend that statement. They have to make it hip. Period. I actually did not mean to type again. It’s been a long night:-)
’647- I resend that statement. They have to make it hip. Period.’
But you’ll agree they tried and failed to do this with it already, right?
Haven’t seen the trailer yet, but it’s worth remembering that recent trailer for the remastered TMP maaged to make *that* look action-oriented, so trailers are basically one big exercise in marketing and misdirection.
#600 – (on Spock) “Only because he wasn’t fully developed to gene roddenberrys specs. ”
It’s not just The Cage. They’re showing some early season 1 TOS on the UK SciFi channel at the moment and Spock spends half his time either shouting or smiling. It’s quite unnerving. :-) Obviously you can put this down to the actor and producers finding their feet, but you can equally put it down to gradual character growth. The filmmakers have been quite up front about Young Spock having not yet found the balance between emotion and logic in the movie.
#624 – “didnt old spacedock look better?”
Depends – this is set way before the Spacedocks we’ve seen previously so it makes sense not to have things look the same. That still looks pretty nice to me, and also recognisably a Federation design.
#631 – “kirk shagged his way around the galaxy pretty much throughout the whole of TOS”
Yes, and wasn’t William Ware Theiss basically known for the creative ways he sought to expose female flesh on the show. I don’t want the film to be exploitative, but I think a lot of people are choosing to ignore several key aspects of TOS when criticising.
I’d go on, but I’ll start to look like a studio sock puppet. ;-) (Spock puppet?)
622. Lt. Barclay – November 15, 2008
I am glad you posted, but do you think Kirk never had sex during TOS?
#642 “Not a single episode of the original series relied solely on action. There was, without exception, always a message at the nucleus which was the main driving force.”
Okay but a) for all we know this movie has themes and depth, and b) episodes like The Doomsday Machine foregrounded the action and characterisation with themes pretty much limited to a sngle high-concept idea. Likewise “Balance of Terror” is basically character-study-meets-submarine-battle.
I’ve seen nothing about the new film that leads me to think there won’t be a strong emphasis on characterisation, and its difficult to see how Leonard Nimoy can play any part in this film without there being some meaningful themes about growth and change.
In regards to the trailer Kirk seemd to be driving that Corvette like Burt Reynolds from “Smokey and the Bandit” but in “A Piece of the Action” Kirk has no idea how to drive a car.
I know that is a major nit pick, but I thought I’d throw it out there.
650 – I have previously stated that Star Trek has and always will be a cult property. I think they did try with Nemesis, and the only time they actually succeeded (albeit briefly) was with First Contact. I don’t think they’ve tried it on this scale, though. This is a pretty drastic move on their part. My belief is (and I may be wrong) that mainstream audiences will still ignore it, and they will instead lose even more of their fan base. And while there are plenty of folks here who are willing to accept it, they will still be losing lots of fans who are appalled by the destruction of their canon and the recasting of their characters. I don’t think this flick will get the audience they’re hoping for.
@652
Not at all. I’m very well aware of it.
I just wouldn’t like to see it further emphasized, being put out of proportion. I know it wasn’t enough to judge based on a trailer, which is meant to “tease”. But I just try to follow what they are trying to achieve with it, which obviously is: money.
Big money comes from the general public. This appeals to the general young male public. So if it is a huge success, they make lots of money. Fine. Then what? They make a sequel based on the same concept? Will they make money by constantly exploting these areas?
I just don’t feel like sitting through a whole new series based on these characters and something like that. If you think that’s not possible, see how they messed up with the story already. They can do anything if they think money will come out of this.
By the way, mind you, I want this movie to be a success despite my personal preconceptions.
As long as the action is not so stupidly filmed as in “Quantum Of Solace” I will definitely welcome this movie. I hate “fast” cuts like in Crank or Quantum.
That opening scene with young Kirk is just awful and Pegg’s Scotty sounds like Billy Boyd’s Pippin from LotR, and as for it being likened to Top Gun in space, i tend to agree.
Thanks Voyager, it wasn’t a bad bootleg at all, very good in fact, didn’t spoil my viewing of it at all.
My immediate reaction was “very different”.
I think the beginning of the trailer was fab. Okay the timeline has changed for kirk but that he feels out of place seems very kirk to me, with his only salvation being the enterprise and his crew/friends. There are many examples in the films and series were kirks career is either threatened or he’s not on board the enterprise and he’s deeply discontented. I can also buy his wreckless behaviour and his fighting. This is someone who free climbs mountains and who’s perfect vacation is fist fighting his old academy tormenter.
I like that they drew parallels with Spock who’s also trying to find his place in the world and somewhere he belongs.
The scenes flashed past too fast to judge anything else but it all looks grand. Be interesting pausing thru the hd version.
Some people show up to a party with a wet blanket. And there’s always a contrarian or two in every comment section. Aren’t they smart when they disagree with prevailing opinion? Who needs evidence when the power of your message is that it stands out from the crowd? “Star Trek is so dead. If you don’t see that a 2 minute trailer is the most substantive part of a 120 minute movie of pure fluff, then you’re just not giving me the benefit of the doubt.”
See! It’s easy to be smart! I think I’ll start my own blog so I can tilt at windmills to my satisfaction.
Wow never have I seen a trailer (which I have not seen yet.;) generate so much controversy! The opinions are really flying on many other film related sites! I hope to see it today so I can throw in my 2 bits!
For all the people that speak Spanish, here is the new trailer of Star Trek XI with subtitles in spanish.
Enter:
http://www.cardassiaprimera.com.ar
#192 1) The Enterprise looks FANTASTIC from the front-on view
Agree. we can see the neck is a lot thicker then fragile TOS Enterprise neck. Kudos to Church i say.
To: 368. S. John Ross &
415. Tim Lade…
Yes, Dame Judith does indeed “Rock”, but if either of you were true fans, you would both know just how much she detests being called “Judy”.
Just came in from seeing my friend who is a Mgr. at Rave Motion Pictures at the mall in Hurst, Tx.
They weren’t open yet, but I got to see the trailer on a smaller monitor, and passes to the 11:15 am showing of QoS which will have the trailer.
At first, I was skeptical that TOS could be brought to the big screen.
Upon hearing that JJ & crew were involved, and having seen their level of story telling and character development, Plus the fact that they monitor this site, and interact with us here…
I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt, Not Doubt their Benefit,
as so many others here seem to want to do.
I knew that it wasn’t going to be MY TOS. It’s not 1966, and I’m not 10 anymore. It is a New TOS for a new Generation, (no pun intended).
I watched the bootleg about 20 times last night with my nephews, (10, 12, & 15). They ALL want to go see it NOW!
Now I must say to all…You Guys ROCK !!!!
The trailer is Great! Thank You in advance.
For all of the naysayers, “Get a Life”
And…
I repeat my question from last night.
Does anyone else find it strange that Paramount hasn’t shut these bootlegs down yet?
21st century marketing?
Judging reaction?
Opinions?
nay-sayer’s give the rest of us a bad name, either say something productive or stick your head back in the sand.
My two cents:
1) The vimeo.com link is down. Guess somebody at Paramount’s been working overtime.
2) Yes indeedy, that is Winona Ryder with Quinto (Spock) on the planet’s surface – and if you look closely in the stills, you can see Ben Cross (Sarek) in the background.
By the way, does anyone else think it’s weird that the actress who plays Spock’s mother is named Winona, and the character of Kirk’s mom is named Winona? Just sayin’…. (Would be even weirder if the actress who played Kirk’s mom was named Amanda, and not Jennifer…)
3) The shots of the Enterprise (either front or rear views) bring to mind the original TOS Enterprise. And that’s what it’s designed to do.
4) To those who say the trailer is too fast-paced and emphasizes style over substance: Do you *really* want them to try and condense a two-hour movie into two minutes? If you want that, go find a “Hamlet” in 30 seconds by bunnies (yes, they’re out there, and if you’ve seen them, you know they’re hilarious).
5) So the bridge is big and white, and the corridors are white. Do you really want cardboard walls in somebody’s basement (with apologies to Galaxy Quest)? This is the 21st Century. There’s a new design aesthetic. Get over it.
6) Wow, the bridge is really BIG. Are there turbolift doors on either side, like the TMP Enterprise? Or is the whole thing twisted nearly 90 degrees to the right (unlike the TOS bridge which was twisted 36 degrees to the left)? And who says the bridge has to face forward? The viewscreen is not a window.
7) Cool TOS red alert klaxon. And Bruce Greenwood (Pike) in the gold shirt is cool, too – but not as cool as JTK himself in the fancy gold shirt. And I’m sure the “buckle up” comment has nothing to do with the lack of inertial dampeners. :-)
8) Is Kirk really under Uhura’s bed? Me thinks not – it’s not unusual for trailer editors to take unrelated scenes and put them together in order to create some sort of buzz. I’m guessing that scene is from somewhere else in the movie. Of course, I could be wrong, but I hope not – the only other logical explanation is that Kirk is hiding from somebody.
9) McCoy: hell, yeah!
Overall, very pleased with the trailer, and wanting more.
When people complain about too much action and too much sex in the trailer, it makes me wonder if they ever watched TOS.
Almost every episode of TOS was resolved by Kirk screwing an alien female and/or fighting an alien male.
It’s ridiculous how much people have romanticized TOS. It was a low-budget space cowboy show. But in some peoples’ minds it has become a high-budget, high-brow science fiction epic.
If the romulan guards are fighting with Nero, chances are it could be Kirk and Spock having infiltrated Nero’s ship dressed in centurion masks.
http://www.trailerspy.com/trailer/1329/Star-Trek-Trailer
Check out the new trailer here:
http://www.trailerspy.com/trailer/1329/Star-Trek-Trailer
F**K Paramount Pictures!!!
669. dalek-
Those be Klingons!
I was going to go last night but didn’t get to. Going this afternoon instead. If I was going just for the trailer I would be out of luck with calling since all they have is an automated message, but I want to see Quantum of Solace anyway so I’m going. And they better have the trailer.
It’s almost laughable to me that people seem to retrospectively view TOS as something which was above exploiting young people’s attraction to sex and violence, when that was very much an intregal element in its presentation from the very beginning.
Even its intial pilot (“The Cage”), which is infamously known as being viewed by the studio executives as “too cerebral”, had sex and violence at its core. One of the primary goals of the Talosians was to get Vina to seduce Captain Pike, and when she failed multiple times, they even tried to intice him further by expanding his “selection” of mates. Furthermore, one of the most memorable scenes in that episode featured him in a brutal struggle with a fearsome barbarian, culminating in Pike killing him with a sharp weapon in defense of himself and Vina.
Throughout the series, there are depictions of seduction, sexual assault, implied sex, torture, violent threat behavior, countless fistfights, phaser battles, ship-to-ship combat, strangulation, serial murder, murderous crimes of passion, etc.
I don’t get it. Where does this sudden aversion to a modern adaptation of Star Trek incorporating sex and violence come from?
What show were these people watching? It certainly is not the same one I saw!
This has to be the single most ridiculous criticism I have seen thusfar in any posts about the upcoming film.
Sorry, folks…I just had to say it.
This article said that the ST teaser trailer was playing with “Cloverfield” at “every showing”. Wrong. I went to see that movie in January and there was NO Star Trek teaser. If there are any other locals around, that was at the Winchester 21 in San Jose.
I will be heading there to see Quantum. I can only hope the trailer is attached. If not, at least I would have seen 007 even w/o a ST trailer.
youtube:Star Trek XI Trailer 2 NEW JJ Abrams
#672 they don’t look like klingons to me, the dints in the mask are the only thing that resemble klingon ridges.
I’m sorry but you can clearly see on this image:
http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=21423_snapshot20081114225521_122_1031lo.jpg#
That the mask is metalic and even shows specularity and gloss of something metal, and that there is even a nose extension on the mask.
That big crater we see at the beginning of the trailer. If that hole’s supposed to be in Iowa, how did it get there? Was it an earthquake, an asteroid, or was it made by the Xindi or the Borg?
OK- realizing that I have only seen 2 very disjointed minutes of this film with very little context my observations are:
-The 1701 must be enormous. Since the external proportions are about the same as the TOS or TMP Enterprise, I think it is safe to assume everything is in about the same place, so the bridge is deck one right under the sensor dome in the high structure on top of the saucer section. Yet the room itself is big enough now to play football in. Look how far apart Chekov and Sulu are. the corridor we see Kirk and crew frantically running through is also huge. If the interiors are that much bigger, the exteriors must also be appropriately resized (unless of course Spock-Prime also brought a Tardis…) so the new 1701 must be twice the size of the original, at least.
- Kid in the Corvette does nothing but remind me of Anakin in the Pod Race.
- Kirk on the motorcycle does nothing but remind me of Anakin on a swoop.
- I hate the music. Perhaps more than Faith of the Heart.
- The frenetic pace of the trailer makes it feel like a Michael Bay movie.
- The dialogue “buckle up” and “why don’t you stop me” sounds very… modern. I always appreciated the almost Shakespearean delivery of TOS-Nemesis allowing us to understand what they were saying while implying there was a higher level of communication going on. I forgave the modern language of ENT because it was meant to demonstrate a closer time period to our own.
- This trailer seems to advertise a big budget version of “Wing Commander.”
Now, are any of these things necessarily bad? The trailer seems to indicate a film (notice I am not commenting on the film but rather the impression the trailer leaves me) which is trying to make a 40 year old TV show bigger, more modern, more accessible to today’s audience, and closer to the style of film making of popular films of today like Transformers (obviously), Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, or even perhaps Pirates of the Caribbean. A movie one can sit back and enjoy and not be too challenged by the plot or the character development. That is likely exactly what the studio wanted, and exactly what will make this a very popular film.
But that doesn’t make it Star Trek.
Now, I could be completely wrong. I might see this movie upon release and marvel that they accomplished all the above, and it makes sense in the context of the Trek universe and has all the attributes of Star Trek well in place. This trailer does not indicate that to me however. I hope this is the “let’s go for the big audience trailer” which plays in theaters, and fans either through web access or in front of Genre movies on DVD will get the “intellectual” trailer showing those far more important aspects of the film.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xi/magazines/empire2.jpg
Sometimes less effects and explosions is just more:
The teaser for ST VI blows the current Hollywood trailer with it’s spirit right out of the water:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RERAc0ipha0
Just as an reminder what Star Trek once was about.
@672, 677
In my opinion, they look like they’re wearing helmets. If they are indeed Klingons, their forehead ridges don’t seem too well-done (too simplistic).
Databrain
“Not a single episode of the original series relied solely on action. There was, without exception, always a message at the nucleus which was the main driving force.”
Yes, THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE didn’t rely on action at all. A cerebral episode from start to finish….
The more I watch the trailer, the more I like it. Although, to be honest, my first impression was: Man, I’m watching a mix between Star Wars and Batman Dark Knight (which I didn’t like). On the other hand, it might just be what you need to bring the old Star Trek across to todays youth.
Well, I’m undecided whether or not I’m going to like the movie.
But Pegg as Scotty went down well. Very well. He’s got spunk! :) Hey, maybe I am going to like it after all.
Personally, I don’t think that it looks like a mask at all.
The one on the left just seems to be a blue reflection on a distorted face.
Not metal, but I see where it might look that way.
The one on the right definitely looks Klingon.
Guess we will see Monday when the HD trailer is online.
Off to see Qos…
what is the real Star Trek?
I was in an Atlanta area theater last night, we sat down at 9:30
to see the film and watched 5 trailers, but not one for Star Trek.
I got up and walked over one screen to another showing of QoS
and saw trailers at 10pm, the Star Trek trailer and three other ones
that I did not see earlier came up. So, even within a single theater
one screen may have it and one right next to is may not. Just a tip!
@682
you’re the reason why ST has fallen. Enjoy your dead franchise being rebooted by complete strangers.
@688
lol, you’re talking to me?
If so, I don’t mind it being rebooted, honestly… after seeing the failure of Nemesis and Enterprise. If the basica formula didn’t work more or less, we wouldn’t be where we are now. Star Trek would have died right after TOS.
All I’m saying is: I just hope they do it properly, not dumbing it down too much. But I guess we’ll just know it after the whole movie is actually released, right?
still will resist the temptation to see it…not until Monday……..
i must be bonkers.
688. Cpt. Retri
“you’re the reason why ST has fallen. Enjoy your dead franchise being rebooted by complete strangers.”
As opposed to leaving it in the hands of the people who ran the franchise into the ground?
674/Closettrekker
Sex is very much a part of Star Trek TOS, as is violence.
And I think JJ knows that Star Trek lost much of its appeal when sex was essentially expunged from the series as a function of human interaction outside of committed couples (sex equals marriage, pregnancy and babies) or alternate timelines/space-borne illness.
TNG tried at first, but the series, and subsequent ones lost interest in depicting the sexual impulse as a motivator and a dynamic of the species. TOS had it in spades. Watch “The Enemy Within” or “Wink of an Eye.”
I don’t believe the film will spend too much time depicting sex, and the trailer is simply an ad aimed at attracting viewers, so don’t get your knickers in a twist.
Two things:
“canon says no one from the TOS era saw Romulans until “Balance of Terror,”
1. No human *knowingly* saw a Romulan, to be totally accurate. They looked like Vulcans, so who’s to say that there weren’t Romulan spies on Vulcan? Mr. Stiles made it perfectly clear in that episode that they looked alike.
2. And, more importantly… has it been said anywhere that Nero and company bother to identify themselves as Romulans to Kirk or anyone else?
ok, 3: regarding Kirk driving a Corvette as a kid, and a “flivver” as an adult
Have you ever driven a 1960′s vintage Vette? (it’s totally sweet, btw) They are NOTHING like driving a 1930′s sedan. Yeah, they both have stickshifts… but that’s about where the similarity ends regarding feel and control. Pretty much the same as going from a Nissan today to a dump truck. Tack into that 20 years of not driving an antique car, there’s your “Kirk can’t drive a stick worth a damn” argument.
Also, Spock is known for smartass comments. It would be perfectly in character for him to point out the clutch mechanism that HE KNOWS Kirk knows about. Just like he told McCoy the technical operation of putting on a boot, in “Patterns of Force”.
Saw the trialer, it was GREAT!!! I’m 45 and have watched all incarnations of TREK, including the animated series on Sunday mornings when I was a teenager in the ’70s. This is the best thing to happen to Star Trek.
I feel very sorry and have great pity for the “purists” out there who cannot appreciate what is happening.Gene Roddenberry made many changes to the Enterprise and to Trek itself. When he made TMP he made many changes, chiefly the total redesign of the Enterprise. If he could do it to make things better and keep the franchise moving forward, why can’t some else who has the vision to do so?
Cudos to JJ and Crew. Your vision is clear, y’all did a fantastic job. This coming from a Trek Fan for more than 35 years. Ya Baby!!!
I have been a Star Trek fan since I began watching TOS in syndication during the 1970′s.
I took my wife and 3 Kids to see QOS last night (no cheap outing). I enjoyed the trailer, and my kids (who laugh at TOS) said it looked “cool”. I even heard other people in the audience saying things that indicated to me that they were intrigued. I think the trailer played well. I’m sure we will see more.
I see this as a good thing all the way around. I am very excited about it.
I fail to understand why some people equate addition to automatic subtraction. This movie can be very “sexy” (as TOS was to me when I was young) and have great action and more modern asthetics, without surrendering Star Trek’s message, which to me has always been this:
The human race does not destroy itself. Instead, Mankind unites to conquer the social ills which plague us today and band together with other sentient species to explore the final frontier.
That optimistic vision of our possible future is the very soul of Star Trek, and was never predicated upon the color schemes of the bridge or the exterior lines of the USS Enterprise design.
What set TOS apart (IMO) from the spinoff series that followed was its fantastic characters, which the filmmakers have seen fit to return to (much to my satisfaction).
I like ‘canon’. That has always been very fun to me. I appreciate that they are taking care to canonically explain the differences in the way things play out after the apparent timeline incursion by Romulan villains. I like that they are seemingly using ‘canon’ to do it (the potential for alternate timelines within the ST Universe resulting from interference with the past is in itself canon).
#688—If they were “rebooting”, in the traditional sense, they would be disregarding everything which has come before. However, since everything (all previous established canon) before is required to get the story to the point where Nero and his villainous cohorts take action to alter the past, that previously established ‘canon’ is inherently relevant to the storyline. It is therefore not a “reboot”, nor is it a “prequel”. I would call it a very unconventional “sequel”.
688:
Robert Wise was a complete stranger
Nick Meyer was a complete stranger
Stuart Baird was a complete stranger
Ron Moore, Rick Berman, Maurice Hurley, Brannon Braga, Jeri Taylor. Hell, even DC Fontana was a stranger at one point.
JJ Abrams is a complete stranger.
“Young minds, fresh ideas” and so forth…
@686-
For me, and I speak only for myself, “Real” Star Trek has elements of adventure while using a speculative fiction setting to make comment on aspects of the human condition. Now, all of the previous shows have had example of both “good” and “bad” Trek.
TOS Good: “Where No Man Has Gone Before”
Sure, good fighting, lots of space ship effects, but also an intellectual examination on what power can do to someone, and dramatically interesting a Mitchell struggles with himself, and Kirk struggles with having to kill his friend.
TOS Bad: Spock’s Brain (obviously). Kirk solves a civilization’s problems by destroying their infrastructure and telling them to “snuggle.”
TNG Good: The Inner Light: Picard explores a life he’s never allowed himself as he live 40 years as another man in moments on his own bridge.
TNG Bad: Eye if the Beholder. A really lame murder mystery that ends with a Dallas style “all a dream revelation.”
DS9 Good: The Visitor. Examines in an SF setting how a man can cling to the past and ignore his oh so important present. Heartbreaking exchanges between father and son.
DS9 Bad: The Emperor’s New Cloak. Poor in-show continuity, played for laughs and a bit of exploitation with the new seemingly exclusively lesbian Intendant. Especially exploitative when compared to the far more dramatic and realistic relationship Dax has in “Rejoined.”
VOY Good: Living Witness. SF examination of prejudice and oppression, and how history belongs to those who write it.
VOY Bad: Threshold. Paris in a very WNMHGB way begins to evolve into… a giant salamander?
ENT Good: The Forge; Notable for the discussion ADM Forrest has with Ambassador Soval defining what Humans in Trek should be.
ENT Bad: The Marauders. Trek goes A-Team. Why don’t the Klingons bombard the site from orbit?
Movie Good: STVI- plenty of action, and exposition on Kirk coming to terms with what “enemy” means.
Movie Bad: Nemesis. Lots of action, no point.
570. databrain – November 15, 2008
…When was any episode of the original series ever considered mainstream?
Uhhhh, dyeah, uh, when it was broadcast on one of the only three networks in America, with one of the highest television budgets of its time, and when Spock started ranking with Jesus in the highest selling covers of Time Magazine’s history. Probably about then, I’d say.
Some things that I felt viewing the trailer:
- young Kirk is way too stupid
- cool E construction shot, Kirk watching it, feels right
- not even a single insightful conversation
- Kirk/Spock argument feels hollow and uninspired
- loads of cool FX nothing intellectual
- running in slippery iCorridors seems really stupid
- McCoys “space is evil” speech (either Star Trek has gone from marvelling about space towards fearing it, or McCoy is ratteling someones cage, which would be out of character)
- Scotty’s line makes him seem like a joke
335-
The only thing that line’s good for is the blue pencil;
and, as I suspect, given what I’ve seen and heard, pretty much covers the rest of this film.
God…
@ 693:
I just watched “A Piece of the Action” and was thinking the very same thing!!!
The trailer is awesome! I want to see Spock Prime!
@699
I think it was a great line. And Scotty always was a joker.
#664: Dame Judy rocks.
591. databrain – November 15, 2008
Sorry to pick on you, but your comments are uniquely clueless about story. Positronic brains are overrated, anyway.
Two hours of narrative about a person in a static state is not a story. Two hours of narrative with an arc, about a hero who sets out with one mission only to accomplish another one, or a person who feels one way and is compelled to feel another, or a person is travels in familiar country and travels to an undiscovered country—THAT’s a story.
No trailer at the Malco Paradiso Theater in Memphis!
Very disappointed!
Though I really dislike the corvette opening, the rest of the trailer was pretty good (even with the superbly bad writing of the McCoy line).
My biggest problem thus far (with what little we’ve still seen) is with the hardware design — the Enterprise has lost all elegance by being turned into a corvette and the interiors, likewise, appear over-designed as well as being lighted with 10,000,000 candlepower floods.
AND — whoever designed the cop’s uniform should be spanked. It looks something from an early 1960′s DC comic.
What I really liked was that even during the frenzied pace of the trailer character still came through. If they get the characters right and have a good story, my quibbles with the design work will assuredly fade.
@703, Yes, Scotty was always a joker, but not a joke.
It looks like fracking Top Gun, Maverick, err I mean Kirk trying to outshine the ghost of his daddy. Even the shots of him on the motorcycle are straight out of Top Gun.
Waiting for the clips from the bridge crew volleyball game.
I think it’s time for some colorful metaphors.
Re: My earlier crits: As I recall, the Original Series had some stupendously bad design work, and I was able to deal with that.
#708
“AND — whoever designed the cop’s uniform should be spanked. It looks something from an early 1960’s DC comic.”
Or a cop from THX-1138.
708 – until star trek V when he banged his head on that bulkhead
@708
Right. And in the trailer he is joking and not a joke
@712
True. But that scene was Bill Shatner’s idea. Says it all, doesn’t it.
I am also a child of ’70s syndication, and when I heard Sarek’s “You are a child of two worlds” voiceover over the visual of Spock as a child, I saw that these guys “get it.”
Spock is a deeply emotional being. If you take “Cage” and “WNMHGB” as canon, you see him smiling and yelling, etc. In “Amok Time,” he craps his pants with joy. the arc of spock is conflict followed by forced emotional suppression (Kolinahr), and final acceptance of who he is.
Spock also has a deeper existing backstory than Kirk, and JJ&Co are aware of it. I think Canonistas may be in for a pleasant surprise.
#712
Yes he did, but that wasn’t good Star Trek either.
700. King Anthony – November 15, 2008
335-
“The only thing that line’s good for is the blue pencil;
and, as I suspect, given what I’ve seen and heard, pretty much covers the rest of this film.
God…”
You have repeated your opinion often, even before the photos. If you are sure it sucks… why are you here? Trying to be the hearld and save us?
I won’t touch the “god” comment.
If the old Star Trek worked as was, it wouldn’t have failed. This film is designed to reinvigorate the franchise and bring in a whole new audience. Recreating the 1960s show on the big screen wouldnt achieve that, nor have atrracted $150 million in investment from the studio.
i called ahead to see if they were showing it, and they said they didn’t know… i asked the guy who was selling the tickets if they were showing it, he didn’t know… so I was going in not knowing if it was attached or not :p
but it was attached :)… and I thoroughly enjoyed it
it was was very rushed IMO, though… they should of focused a bit more on the story instead of the action. Yes, action is great and all, but you can’t have action without a story, otherwise it will flop… that’s my hope for the next trailer, that they decrease the sequence of quick shots of action, action, and more action, and extend on the basic telling of the story of the movie.
The motorbike scenes gave me more of a “Mad Max” vibe.
@715 – yeah, loved his line on the transporter during The Cage
“THE WOMEN!!!!!!!!”
LOL.
When I was an undergraduate music student there was a professor at the university who was rumored to believe that classical music had “died” with Mozart. Nevertheless, he attended almost every concert during the four years I was there – most of which did not have a note of Mozart in them. He was always very complimentary and supportive of student performances and never criticized the repertoire that was chosen. Many years later I have grown to see his point: Mozart was a genius whose easy facility with the musical language of his time was unparalleled, even though he did not score a “hit” with every piece he composed; every now and then he had to crank something out to make a little bit of money. Other composers certainly attempted to emulate him, but only by building upon what he had accomplished rather than simply copying him were they able to move music forward. Not everyone liked/likes Beethoven, Brahms, Wagner, Strauss (not to mention more contemporary music that has little in common with Mozart), but the test of time has elevated all of these composers into a pantheon of respect. That professor may appreciate what composers after Mozart produced, but now I see his point – Mozart’s music is arguably a singular zenith, and his style and mannerism could not continue.
TOS (+STI-VI) is Mozart for many fans. A complete achievement that may never be duplicated, but not without a few missteps along the way. If you look carefully, you can see elements of TOS in the other series and movies, and I believe that they are all trying to build upon the central premise since a straight copy of TOS just does not provide forward motion. The next generation (pardon the pun) must find a new way to express those ideals in order to honor what has come before, and only time will tell how successful each effort will be. I liken Abrams’ ST to Neo-Classicism – a return to the ideals of the past while taking into account all that has happened since that past. Not everyone likes such a decision, and no trailer will convince anyone otherwise. If the spirit of the movie is “right” (and there is no way to tell from the trailer) then the essence of Roddenberry’s vision will be there – just as composers successfully emulating the charm and/or drama of a Mozart score without sounding exactly like Mozart will be able to channel the immutable qualities of his music. Literally there cannot be another Mozart, but there is and always has been room for other composers to make worthwhile contributions to classical music; hopefully Abrams will be able to deliver a worthwhile contribution to ST that honors the past, speaks to the present and looks to the future.
See you in May ’09!
#715—-The part of the trailer that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up was the quick scene with young Spock and the Ben Cross voiceover.
Spock= my absolute favorite character in all of Star Trek.
And yes (forgive the “cheese”), “Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was most…human.”
Cannot…wait…to see….this…movie!
Saw the trailer in Northern VA last night. My comments:
1) If you want to see it, definitely call ahead. If your cinema is showing QoS on more than one screen, chances are only one of them will have the trailer.
2) It’s impossible to judge the quality of the script or the performances from just a trailer, so I’ll wait for the whole shebang. My own favorite stories from TOS were those that combined drama and action with a thought-provoking premise (“The Cage”, “A Private Little War”), so I hope Orci’s script is in that vein. Assuming the whole story is an altered timeline, that would give them some latitiude for continuity changes.
3) As trailers go, this one certainly has all the bells and whistles and takes ST to a new level of EPIC. Regarding the visual elements:
- I’m starting to get over my initial “meh” reaction to the E. While I don’t care for some of the design elements, the ship is clearly recognizable as the classic form. Seeing the engines of both the E and the Kelvin from the rear reminded me of Roddenberry’s advice to Matt Jeffries back in ’64: “Make it look like it’s got power.”
- I’m struggling a bit with Quinto’s appearance as Spock; his features just look too “soft” for someone who comes from an arid desert planet. Pine, on the other hand, while I winced at first when I heard he was the new Kirk, looks like he has potential. The one scene that said “Kirk” to me was the close-up of Kirk and Spock on the bridge staring out at the viewscreen (you can see it in the screencaps posted at the aqua link above) – the confident smirk on Pine’s face is quintessential Kirk.
- I’d swear those guards standing next to Nero look like Klingons, although I can just hear Jim Mora’s indignant reaction: “Klingons?! Don’t talk about Klingons! You kidding me?”
- As for the sex and violence, #674 Closettrekker is absolutely right, there’s really nothing new here. For its time, ST was arguably the most sexually provocative show on US network television.
Overall, I can see why the “ST90210″ moniker is getting tossed around. I hope that isn’t where the franchise is headed and that the film will create new possibilities while remaining true to ST’s spirit.
I’m amazed that anyone can determine that elements of this movie are stupid, hollow, uninspired and out of character through less than two minutes of trailer footage.
It’s a TRAILER, for cryin’ out loud. It’s designed to SELL the movie to the people in the seats.
@718
The old Star Trek NEVER FAILED
Why else would people still watch it if wasn’t a full success with people. It was cancelled but it continued on inspite of cancellation. You don’t make sense my friend. Care to explain your point of view or can we dismiss it as error?
647. databrain – November 15, 2008
‘So they have to make it hip again.’
It was never ‘hip’ to begin with.
Shockingly, you’re wrong again. I’ve heard firsthand accounts of the Star Trek cancellation protests in LA and seen pictures… there were plenty of beatniks and hippies and kids with exotic facial hair at those protests. Star Trek hits people in many different ways, including the hipsters who envisioned a world beyond the social constraints of their time.
Some backstory elements I am missing after watching the trailer:
-I would’ve liked to seen Kirk’s backstory with Kodos the Executioner. IMO the most interesting part of young Kirk and critical in the character’s development.
-Backstory of Kirk’s “Obsession” creature while on the Farragut. Another interesting part of his backstory I would’ve liked to have seen.
Again, I am only basing this on the few seconds of trailer, but it APPEARS these backstories are getting washed away. IMHO they could’ve made an entire movie on Kodos the executioner story, very dramatic.
It also seems they are removing the stories of the Menagerie, Obsession, Conscience of the King, Journey to Babel, Amok Time, Shore Leave.
I want to see Finnegan! and Gary Mitchell! and Carol Marcus!
I hope I’m wrong and the timeline gets corrected or those elements are in the movie and they’re just not showing them.
In any case, I am seeing this movie.
BTW that was Scotty oggling Uhura from underneath her bunk, not Kirk.
Re 722: Nicely said.
650. databrain – November 15, 2008
‘647- I resend that statement. They have to make it hip. Period.’
But you’ll agree they tried and failed to do this with it already, right?
No, No, not at all. From the moment they switched to military uniforms in the Reagan era and straight on through to the Velveeta Trek of TNG, VOY and ENT, the hip young audience was written off.
Look, I’m throwing down the gauntlet here: Diane Warren’s WHERE MY HEART WILL TAKE ME is permanent, impenetrable proof that you’re clueless.
And you can’t “make something hip.” That’s such a nerd point of view. It either resonates with hipsters and young tastemakers or it doesn’t.
this trailer is the most boring thing I have seen … lol
I knew this movie was going to be stupid….
empty… this is not star trek.. this is an action movie with a guy with ears and some space effects…
More stupid that any star trek movie has been before!
they destroyed TOS!
Rest in peace…
Ok, who’s the older blond at 1:34 of the TrailerSpy trailer and why is she scraming….?
brain…go away
and to all the talk TOS was a failure:
-The most prolific sci-fi series of all time
-Inspired a generation of Engineers and scientists
-changed the way the networks look at demographics in ratings. After the series was cancelled, NBC realized Star Trek was a hit and never would’ve cancelled it had they done the ratings the “new” way.
-Launched 4 other series and now an 11th movie.
How many movies and TV series are there of Star Wars?
#732
what a drag
#733
I think it’s Kirk’s mom .She may be screaming because she just finished reading the script. Just a guess.
#728—-”It also seems they are removing the stories of the Menagerie, Obsession, Conscience of the King, Journey to Babel, Amok Time, Shore Leave.”
I think it goes without saying that Nero’s attack upon the USS Kelvin 4 days before the birth of James Kirk may have some ripple effects that alter his backstory, namely the bits of history we learn from “WNMHGB”, “Obsession”, “The Conscience Of The King”, “Court-Martial”, “The Menagerie”, and “Shore Leave”.
I am, however, at a loss as to how it might affect “Amok Time” or “Journey To Babel” (without discounting the possibility that it could). Are you assuming that Spock’s upbringing is equally altered?
It could be, but my initial impression was that the attack upon the Kelvin affects Kirk much more significantly because something happens to his father that did not happen in the timeline with which we are so familiar.
I’m with you on the hope that much of this (if not nearly all) is corrected by Nimoy’s Spock by the end of the film. I am, however, prepared to accept that it is not, as long as I continue to be intrigued by what may come next.
There is something to be said for dramatic jeopardy, something that would not be there (with regard to future stories) in full for me if everything was to be put neatly back into place by the end of the film.
I think that something has to be permanently altered, otherwise,the future telling of stories involving the young TOS-era characters would be somewhat less dramatic, given that we already know their fates.
Taking some of Orci’s quotes at face value, I get the impression that something about the story’s resolution leaves the door open for different possible fates for our heroes. I think that is essential, and was lacking in the telling of the Lucas SW prequels (where we already knew the ending).
#688 – :”Enjoy your dead franchise being rebooted by complete strangers.”
I will! Thanks.
making Trek “hip” usually means you’re setting up for a fall.
Trek needs to evolve steadily with the times and remain relevant.
For example, in 2002, you had a bunch of wooden characters brooding on the NX-01 while the girls in Sex and the City were getting laid, and the Sopranos were getting violent. It was the advent of the CSI formula, 24, etc.
I really think Rick Berman could not reconcile the Trek formula with the times. And talented people like Ron Moore couldn’t handle the constraints of staying in the ’80s while TV was evolving in the ’90s.
This Trek will attempt to bring us to 2009 after a long nap.
#732 Spocks Brain
TOS isn’t destroyed.
So you think it was stupid. OK.
That certainly sounds like you decided what to think before seeing anything.
Can’t please them all. I think you are making a mistake and will miss out by not seeing it, but that’s your call.
I enjoy good, solid SciFI. And if the Nnew Trek deliveres in that department, I am fine! The Trailer looks promising. Keeping my fingers crossed!
PS: Don’t feed the trolls… :-/
#740—Well said.
This franchise has been in need of a set of “fresh eyes” for a long time.
When the delta shield comes up with the transporter sound and the opening notes of the theme music is stripped down to four pings on a xylophone… it’s subtle and restrained. Last night [above] I compared the trailer to a belly dance, but I thought of a better comparison. It’s like a fan dance, where you keep thinking your going to see the naughty bits, but you really don’t. They bring you so close to seeing the Enterprise in spacefaring glory, but don’t. You don’t really see or hear Kirk in the chair belting out an order, bluffing or seducing. You hear four notes from the TOS theme, but you really don’t hear the theme music.
And thank goodness Uhura takes her shirt off, Scotty leers and Kirk has sex. These characters are in their 20s and the Enterprise is not a 20th Century Space Station. If you can’t recall all of the implied sexuality of TOS, you were not paying attention. Some canonistas like Closettrekker have claimed that Kirk only violates the Prime Directive once in TOS.
But I think it was pretty clear that “Lil’ Kirk” was a clear and present danger to the Prime Directive.
This is what Star Wars wanted when it got it’s “comeback.”
We’re finally cooler than Star Wars.
Awesome.
(Wow, I’m a geek now.)
#741—That poster decided that a long time before he/she ever saw the trailer, as indicated by a long history of disparaging commentary by him/her right here on this site.
Man if this whole Star Trek XI buzz has made me realize its that most who claim to be star trek fans are not true star trek fan’s. Anyone who would even consider themselves a star trek fan must be open to new idea’s because thats what star trek was all about. So anyone who wants to whine about them destroying the original series needs to stop and think what the whole meaning of the original series was because if you are so close minded and stuck in the past that you are not open to new idea’s then you should just set a phazer to wrist cut and rid the world of yourself. I’ve been a star trek fan since I was 6 years old when I first saw Wrath of Khan. I’ve always enjoyed the show and even found some enjoyment in the ill fated enterprise and even nemesis. I have high hopes for this because to see star trek simply die because of the bitter critisizm of internet dwelling anon’s would greatly show that Gene Roddenberry’s idea of a future where we can all work for the common good is impossible. Sure its flashy, all movies now a days have to be to draw in the common crowd, but what I see in this trailer is the crew of the USS Enterprise on an adventure yet again. Thats what this movie is to me.
753.
Well, there’s Droids, Ewoks, Clone Wars, The Clone Wars… that’s 4 right there.
I’d be interested in what some fellow Iowans think of the trailer. You folks over by Riverside hiding a huge chasm that I haven’t heard about?
I don’t know if I want Trek cooler than Star Wars. I want it better than Star Wars. I suppose I can hope this is both.
#744—”Some canonistas like Closettrekker have claimed that Kirk only violates the Prime Directive once in TOS.”
I don’t recall ever saying that, and I certainly don’t believe it. In fact, I’ve never even bothered to keep count of how many times his adherence to it could be considered questionable.
746. Closettrekker – November 15, 2008
“#741—”That poster decided that a long time before he/she ever saw the trailer, as indicated by a long history of disparaging commentary by him/her right here on this site.”
(I know, but I was trying out my tack and diplomacy manners. I got tattled on the other night for actually responding to people’s posts…lol.)
#747
Following up on your views of us as a species – based on these largely ridiculous posts. Reminds me a line from Terminator 2, “we’re not gonna make it are we?” A line which also appears in TWOK, now that I think of it, as they creep away from the impending Genesis wave.
I guess if the energy in the 3000+ posts since the big-E was unveiled was put to ‘good’ use (instead of those bloody rickrolls, amongst others) we’d have nothing to worry about.
The trailer makes the film look like a blast, and despite some misgivings I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt. Can’t be worse than ST V can it????
#733
I think that is Mrs. Kirk giving birth perhaps.
Accually I just would like to say though I enjoyed the trailer I have to aggree with most of the schepticism of the Bridge Design, I thought the BEST bridge design or in general inner design the good ol Enterprise had was with Star Trek VI when it had a more naval look to it. the whole Ipod theme does kind of push me away but still Im up for seeing it in 09.
Sex, violence, good, evil…. All aspects of the human condition. Roddenberry was only able to tell and do so much, that a lot of stuff had to be “suggested” or “off-screen”.
Patterns of Force, The Omega Glory, Bread and Circuses, A piece of the Action, Gamesters of Triskelion, were all violent in their own unique ways and showed torture, gratuitous violence, gunshot murders, stabbings, executions etc.
Whilst I don’t believe Kirk to be the womaniser some in this thread do, it’s probable he had sex with the girl in Bread and Circuses. But Gene could only show so much (a belly button was about as far as he could go), and nearly all other examples are open to interpretation and guess work, but that’s because of the big network censors. They wouldn’t even let Kirk kiss Uhura back in the day, the shot they used was an implied kiss, and not the actual kiss that they filmed, Shatner and Nicholls lips never touched in the final cut, altho they shot it both ways.
Although I agree if Kirk’s perving on Uhura and grabbing her breasts… Then there is a limit. But so far I’ve not seen either, just “trailer trickery”?
Some of the historical changes they are making are just unacceptable.
Pike and Kirk paling around together, ect.
I understand the Batman analogy, but even with comics you can’t just change the history of the character. What if they changed Batman so his parents weren’t murdered? Doesn’t that really change the character?
What is Superman’s backstory were changed so that he wasn’t that last son of Krypton? That his home world wasn’t destroyed. Or that Lex Luthor was also from Krypton? Would that be okay? Wouldn’t that fundamentally change the concept of Superman.
Oh wait, I forgot, JJ already tried to do that to the Man of Steel.
I think we’re in trouble.
#757 there’s been a time incursion by one of Spock’s enemies from the future. It has been suggested one of his aims was to either Kill Kirk or screw his life up so much he never becomes a Starfleet Captain.
Nero has killed Kirk’s father before he was born. This didn’t happen in the original timeline. Thus Pike is more of a father figure for him, as he served under George Kirk. In the original history Pike was not Kirk’s mentor.
#753
lol I never realized that but good point. Then again I accually found some enjoyment in V even though it is the least favorite of the treks. One part in it that always bugged me was the scene in the turbo shaft. 99 decks?
I dont know why that just always bugged the crap out of me.
#758
Bit like Picard ‘looking after’ Wesley Crusher after his father died, and he turned out alright.
Oh wait…
747/VashTS:
One can be a ‘true’ fan and not accept change.
Some look at Trek as a true timeline with ships and planets and allies and enemies and warpdrive and phasers.
Others look at it as a vehicle for great characters to interact and grow during space adventures with a good heart and something to learn when the story is over.
Most of us combine these to an extent, but I think the former group has more problems with changes to an existing fictional universe where they’ve invested lots of time.
Let’s just hope that that group is pleasantly surprised in May.
The other alternative would be SW I-III, steaming piles of crap which adhered strictly to canon.
Damn I was thinking about the trailer during the entire bond film, I need to watch it again the scenes went by so fast!!!
Btw Watchmen looks good and will be on the list for good comic book to movie films
#750
Comparing Star Trek to Star Wars is ridiculous. Star Trek was always more or less based on scientific theory and facts where as most of the technology of Star Wars is duct-taped and imagined to make it work. To me its almost like comparing science ( star trek ) to religion ( star wars )
#757—-”Some of the historical changes they are making are just unacceptable.
Pike and Kirk paling around together, ect.”
I don’t think you’re paying attention.
Nero and his cohorts attack the USS Kelvin 4 days prior to Kirk’s birth. That is over 3 decades before TOS, and some dozen or so years before the initial lauch of the USS Enterprise. Kirk’s father is serving (with Pike) aboard that ship. This is apparently something which did not occur in the previous timeline, and alters everything from Kirk’s upbringing (presumably due to the absence of his father) to Pike’s interest in young Jim Kirk.
The idea that interference with the past can result in an alternate timeline is very much canon (“Tommorow Is Yesterday”, “City On The Edge Of Forever”, “Assignment: Earth”, etc., etc.). We’ve been told for 40+ years that this could happen in the Star Trek Universe.
Moreover, you have no idea how permanent any of these changes to the timeline will be by the end of the film (See Orci’s comments on the “final solution”).
And finally, the “history” you speak of is not suddenly irrelevant. Nero presumably comes from the same timeline as Nimoy’s Spock. Everything that happened in the timeline with which you are familiar has to happen just as it did for the story to even take place.
Scotty is my favorite and man, that guy is no where near him on any level. If i’m gonna disbelieve, dont urin8 down my back and say its raining!! I am more and more losing interest in movies. they have become all about graphic images replacing character development and story line. If this were NOT the original crew and in fact another crew, I’d be first in line! But alas, it is not. It is a disgusting sophomoric parody of itself. Embarrassing.
IF this trek were about an entirely different crew (in any timeline is fine), i would say “great job!” or “Looks great, I’m there!” though i dont agree with the material they chose for the trailer, Enterprise was quite similar and I like enterprise (its fine if most people dont) though I DO agree the last episode was a throwaway that should have been THROWN AWAY.
I agree with Fresh minds, Fresh ideas, but this is trading on a name and a very cheap (i dont mean financially, mind you) marketing ploy.
Not to say that again, effects are not stunning, because they are really great action sequences reminiscent of Khan and Undiscovered Country, but the story seems its a rip-off of sorts of Khan as well.
I’m not even speaking of canon, it is has been argued many times. But please man, why does there need to be “sexuality” in the trailer? No Trek trailer has EVER used that to get our attention!
I am not a fair-weather trek fan, I have sat through ALL star trek films (though I have never seen most of TNG, none of Voyager and DS9 and only finally saw Enterprise 1-4 last month). I will watch all of TNG, Voyager and DS9 over the coming months though, which i look forward to because I have never seen them due to losing interest around TNG time but I am older now and open to what they may have to offer because they never pretended to be something they weren’t. Believe me, I did not like all the TNG films or was ever too interested in the spin-offs (until now) but we all learned one thing from torch-passing: Trek gets burned.
Star Trek: Generations, we know there was and is still much negative backlash. The final episode of Enterprise was panned by crew and viewers. Even the first episode (season, even) of TNG was not well-received. So what makes you think that this time will be any better just because of ultra-cool special effects?
Just a hunch, but here’s my take. JJ Abrams wants to be faithful to the characters and to the internal logic of the trek universe, including canon. But TOS is 40 years old and what was cool “futuristic” technology then is not, in every case, particularly impressive or futuristic now. We have talking computers, plasma view screens and I-Phones, to name a few.
How can JJ update Star Trek and make it relevant, eye-popping, real and a vision of our FUTURE as opposed to a recollection of a great sixties sci-fi series and at the same time be 100 per cent locked into “canon”?
Answer, the main plot device: Nero goes back in time to destroy the Federation before it begins. The attack Kirk’s father deals with where he saves 800 lives, the attack on Vulcan, who knows what else, all do, in at least some respects, alter the history of the future. It allows JJ and crew to make subtle changes to “trek technology” in a way that is really cool to kids of the 21st century while retaining the characters and spirit of the original.
I don’t think JJ will run roughshod over canon and I don’t see that in the trailer – but I don’t think it was possible to make Trek a compelling vision of the future while hanging onto all the details of the 1960s era production designs. The subtle changes everyone is fearing, I think, are necessary because it was the most logical way of making STAR TREK a vision of our future and not a reflection of a TV past.
Think of it this way. If James Bond had not continually updated, embraced new technology, ignored the Sean Connery era and moved forward, it wouldn’t be in existence today – it would be…. Austin Powers.
I think that’s what’s behind JJs comments about not wanting to make a parody or another version of “Galaxy Quest”. Not updating the Enterprise a bit, not updating the bridge, would appeal to Trek Purists, but the rest of the world would roll their eyes and snicker. As long as Kirk, Spock and McCoy remain the characters they once were and the Trek universe is believable as a possible future that is REAL, I can live with a few changes to the look of things and a few deviations from canon. Else, Trek will fade into a memory and won’t have a future.
#764
Nice try, but missed the mark.
I went to the Del Oro Theatre in Grass Valley, CA last night for the 5:45pm matinee showing of “Quantum of Solace” The Del Oro is a classic turn of the century building with new digs inside. There are two theatre rooms placed in a split-level floor plan. The main room downstairs is big and has the grand old opera house look to it while the upstairs room is smaller and looks a lot like the multiplex rooms you see in huge theatre houses today. This is the first time I’ve ever seen a film in the upstairs room.
Now, I’m not a big Bond fan, but I have enjoyed watching most Bond films throughout the years. So, based upon the teasers I saw on TV and the fact that Daniel Craig has the lead role, I expected it to be good. So I got my popcorn and coke, went in to find the first several rows blocked off due to “wet paint”, sat down on an end seat (because, like an idiot, I got there minutes before the show time) and waited with anticipation because the MAIN reason why I was there was to see the new Star Trek trailer.
The sound started to pick up but the screen didn’t light up. At the very beginning of the trailer, the sound ground down to a stop. VERY much like listening to the death of the Hal 9000 computer from “2001: A Space Odyssey” all over again when astronaut Dave Bowman pulled out the last of several key operational memory chips. You know the deal:
“Daisy, Dais-y, give me your ans-wer..do. I’m….half…..cra-zy, all….for….the…..lo-ve…..of…….youu…..” then the eerie silence.
And it happened TWO MORE TIMES! Once during the second trailer and once again during the very beginning scenes of the Bond film. Of course, by then, I realised there was NO Star Trek trailer in front of this film. I just sat there, numb. Let down. Okay, well, pissed actually. I almost got up and walked out before the beginning titles of the film started. But I thought it’d be a waste of a good $6 (plus $7 for popcorn and coke) so I stayed.
I’m glad I did. “Quantum of Solace” didn’t disappoint. Whether or not you are into James Bond, if you like action and intrigue, this film HAS it, ala Jason Bourne style. And LOTS of it. Complete with some cool high-tech gadgetry and beautiful women. Good stuff. However…I do plan on calling the theatre office to speak with someone about my experience, why I really went to the movie and to find out which showing of QoS the Star Trek trailer will be put in front of before I go again…if they even have it. And hopefully, this time, it’ll be DOWNstairs.
does it appear to anyone else that Spock starts to actually BITE Kirk in the quick shot where Spock attacks him and Kirk defends?
I do think we’ll have to accept historical changes to JTK’s life in this timeline.
He doesn’t hang with Kodos or work on the Farragut. Let’s say that, after his dad died, he stayed home to be with his mom. Pike, a good friend, kept an eye on young JTK, knowing his potential after his dad “was Captain for 12 seconds and saved 800 lives.” Without the direction of George Kirk, Kirk becomes a rebel, risking his own life on stupid stunts and barfights, etc. He enters Starfleet later as a result.
He simply won’t have the time to do all that other stuff. If his dad were alive, he’d probably have stuck with the known canon timeline.
#766: Well said.
We’re going to see QoS Sunday, so I plan to call ahead and make sure we get the right print. The wait is killing me.
#761
Yeah I understand your point there but still Star Trek has always been about new idea’s, and while I to am partial to the old series ( I’m a sucker for those old sets and cheezy space designs ) I still like the promise of this movie mainly because its the TOS crew.
I think that if they continue’d the grand story from Nemesis the only way the series could have survived if they shed the shiny realities of star trek and went with some grand war like series much like the Dominion wars in Deep Space Nine but just as dark as BSG.
SW1-3 fail immensly because they basically cram 20 or 30 years of history into 3 movies that jump from scene to scene. I think thats why Empire always did so well as a movie because it didnt jump all over the map with the story.
#767—-How so?
#764
I am paying attention.
Everybody is hoping/assuming that the attack at the beginning is the reason everything is screwed up.
But do we know that? Have any of the Supreme Court judges told us that? I’m glad that you are hoping for the best, but what if you are wrong?
What if they have just disregarded what has come before?
What if JJ and crew were just like “oh screw it, it was just one line said in a TV show forty years ago. Who cares? Let’s make Pike Kirk’s mentor. Yeah I like that!”
Seriously that worst case scenario makes as much sense as hoping that it’s all a time trick (and if is a time jumble thing, isn’t that kind of lame? How many times have we seen that?).
After all JJ did think it would be fine to completely change Superman’s story. Doesn’t that trouble you?
I guess I hope you’re right, a time jumble (again) would be better that the other alternative.
“May all your guesses be right.”
# 695- standing and applauding, well said. # 696 good points. Although I’ve found that you’re not going to change anyone’s mind. If they’re excited for it they’ll remain excited for it, if they’ve decided to hate it you’re not going to budge that rock. I’ve decided to stop arguing and just express my enthusiasm. Long live Star Trek!
#765—”Scotty is my favorite and man, that guy is no where near him on any level.”
Based upon what? A 1.5 second clip of dialogue?
Get a grip, relax, and power down the phasers Mang.
TOS is not the bible, and even that is open to wide interpretation.
1.) Star Trek needs a relaunch. I love it too much to see another Voyager, or for it to be handled by a creative team made up of industry executives.
2.) If they honor the past and bring back that sense of wow and adventure I experienced in the 60′s – that inspired my and many other’s butts – then it’s fine with me.
3.) But MOST of all, if they build something that builds a new audience, then they will have achieved something greater than everything that has come before.
BTW the teaser was the best in ST IMO. I sat in a 25% filled theatre, and the reaction was positive… ‘THAT was START TREK? Holy F@CK! People were caught off guard.
The book is closed on the nitpicking, the hating, and bullying. Your views are noted.
BTW – JJ didn’t do superman.
#774—” Have any of the Supreme Court judges told us that?”
“Anything which appears to violate canon will have a canon explanation”.—-Roberto Orci, card carrying member of the STXI Supreme Court.
I’d say that is a yes.
#775—-Thanks.
Hi dear friends…greetings from Brazil
I’m trying to translate the new trailer and watch it with subtitles so I can show it to my friends….but the sound is not good…..if you please could transcript the lines said in the trailer…..I will be greatful….and I will attach this sub to the offical release Monday…
Please transcript it for me…..
Live Long and Prosper
Awesome Trailer!!!!!!!
#760 lol I don’t know how it turns out, I presume for the good, or this wouldn’t be Trek. But the point is the reason it contradicts what we know of Kirk is because its a time-altered Kirk
This is going to be one sweet movie! Will Kirk and Spock still manage to be friends and cuddle in the end? Wait and see:)
776
lololol spot on, i am shocked at the complete child and pettiness of some people over a trailer lololol omfg give me a break.
#777
Thats what I’m hoping for too. Hell the formula has worked well for BSG why couldn’t it work for Star Trek.
#777
JJ did write a Superman script for the McG film that was scrapped.
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=13350
Look I hope this thing is GREAT.
But I’m fear I’m just whistling past the graveyard like I did with the Star Wars prequals.
I kept thinking they’ll pull it off in the third movie, but no it sucked as much as the first two.
Ya know?
A little too much quick cutting.
That “cop” can’t act.
Effects look superb, as expected.
E looks better in action.
Outlook: Hopeful.
#785
I think his point was he did PEN a script for the new superman but it wasn’t used and there for did not lead to its demise.
JJ wrote THE dumbest script for Superman I have ever read for any superhero. It did not resemble the Superman mythos in anyway. And this is the guy who is control of Trek? Great.
Just saw the trailer. Very good, quite exciting. I really dislike the millisecond-between-scenes approach to movie previews these days, though. Ben Cross makes a terrific Sarek.
#785—-Abrams did not write Star Trek. Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman (a couple of Star Trek fans) did. Abrams is the director and A-list Hollywood name that convinced Paramount to fork over a $150 million budget and a greenlight for the script.
I am glad you hope that its successful. At least that seperates you from some of the negative posters around here who seem to want it to fail.
765. lieud vejgrint – November 15, 2008
“If this were NOT the original crew and in fact another crew, I’d be first in line! But alas, it is not. It is a disgusting sophomoric parody of itself. Embarrassing.”
Based on a two minute trailer?
I can’t believe the amount of people deciding this movie is good or bad based on a still of the Enterprise or a 2 minute, non-linear movie trailer.
Did anyone manage to capture the couple small clips of the bridge? IT LOOKS GREAT! There are 2 standing stations on either side of the captain, 2 turbolift doors , ect.
#788
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
It was shockingly bad.
774. 750 Mang – November 15, 2008
what if…?
#777
People laughed at the theatre after one guy said “hey it’s Star Wars!” By the looks of it I say he was pretty accurate.
Uptown in DC is playing the trailer. Its an old school theater, so its like watching the trailer in the same theater I saw TWOK and TSFS. Nostalgia!
I thought it was awesome – much too much to deconstruct. It all went so fast! Hated QoS – I didn’t need to spend $10 to watch Bourne again.
All hail JJ!
Peace,
Brock’s Spain
Saw QoS at 1pm yesterday, the trailer was pretty neat, as others mentioned too quick though, I’m looking forward to the HD version being available monday so I can pause it and look at it better. The Enterprise didn’t look as so/so in motion and on the big screen.
QoS itself was pretty good, not amazing though, it was cool that it starts up about 3 mins after Casino Royale left off, and then gives Bond some closure by the end.
#790
You’re right. JJ didn’t write the script for Star Trek.
But it does beg the question has anyone seen The Transformers?
I mean…
I just read an article on cinema.de about the Abrams German Star Trek preview. I hope they misinterpreted some of the stuff, they wrote in the article.
At one point it says:
“Kirk is being introduced as a “Top Gun”-style daredevil, who hits on the student Uhura in a bar. And Scotty invents beaming.
i think it looked awesome
I hope the future is changed so then we can have loads of new stories and not have that horrible feeling of ”we know whats gonna happen anyway” crap.
#795—-That was ‘not’ the reaction I heard in the theater where I saw the trailer.
#757—-
”Some of the historical changes they are making are just unacceptable.
Pike and Kirk paling around together, ect.”
Unacceptable? Are you people for real?
This is entertainment not some private idaho existing in your own minds exclusive to you. It’s not the real world.
Take a Valium or whatever else they give for delusions or neuroticism…
history? It’s a bloody television show, snap out of it already, details details.
You people are nuts, and yes I’ve been watching since 67 and have every Trek ever made on VHS. Where do you people come off? If you’re so offended about everything don’t see the movie, just go away before you drive Trek back into the ground like you did the last time.
What a God damn freak show.
hi gustavo. i imagine you are the same one from trekweb :P here we go:
pike: you always had a hard time finding a place in this world haven’t you. never knowing your true worth, you couldn’t settle for a less ordinary life. like you were feeling you were ment fore something better, something special.
sarek: you will always be a child of two worlds, and fully capable of deciding your own destiny. the question you face is which part will you choose.
kirk: are you afraid or aren’t you
spock: i will not allow you to lecture me
kirk: then why don’t you stop me
pike: prepare to fire all weapons
scotty: i like this ship. ’tis exciting!!!
bones: space is disease and danger, wrapped in silence and darkness
kirk: buckle up
802. is spot on, sort it out freaks.
#802 #804
agreed.
imagine if the internet was as big as it was in the old days of trek. The series might have died sooner x.x
#800—-”I hope the future is changed so then we can have loads of new stories and not have that horrible feeling of ”we know whats gonna happen anyway” crap.”
I think that is likely. I think that was the one thing that doomed the concept of the SW prequel trilogy to mediocrity from the get-go.
The element of “dramatic jeopardy” is key, IMO.
Nimoy’s Spock may be largely successful in undoing Nero’s plot, but in the end, I think the timeline will be at least somewhat permanently altered, resulting in that key element of “jeopardy” necessary to keep us interested.
#802
LOL!
“Don’t mince words Bones, what do you really think?”
By reading these comments, I now know why all religions are fake………
about the trailer
just one problem : vulcan looks a bit like the mining planet from galaxy quest!
apart from that my nipple are quite hard!!!
shaky cam rules!
also whens the next new voyages out im clucking here!!!!
god i love trek!
806. i agree, thats what kinda ruined SW for me even tho i never liked the originals that much the feeling of ”you know how it ends” kinda spoiled it i guess.
I don’t expect the trek to be changed loads but maybe little things will be different which lead to different tales.
I agree that people shouldn’t be angry at JJ for trying to make an old show look better. Sure the old stuff is classic, but if they put the old ship and sets on the screen, no one would go see it.
Let’s give JJ a chance. Here’s to the new canon (lifts drink)
738.
I included ‘Journey to Babel’ and ‘Amok Time’ because of the destruction of planet Vulcan in this movie. Amok Time can simply not happen if there is not planet to go to. One would also have to presume the loss of Vulcan would have a significant change on the Federation, that the remaining Vulcans would have a loss of stature among the other spacefaring races. With no home planet, I don’t see how Sarek could still be an ambassador. Who would he represent? If he still is, he would definitely lose some influence around the Galaxy. That is why I think ‘Journey to Babel’ can’t happen in the new timeline.
Anyone going to see QoS in southern New Hampshire tonight….
Cinemagic in Hooksett is NOT showing the Star Trek trailer.
Cinemagic in Merrimack IS.
There was a link, somewhere in the previous 800+ messages, to a bootleg vid of the upcoming Star Trek, but the ending was cut-off.
To anyone who is interested, the complete vid can be viewed at:
http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=15645
To each their own I guess. I saw the cam copy last night and here’s my 2 cents.
For those that hate it, I guess you can go on waiting indefinately for someone to come along and make another movie from the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT Era’s. Reality is they ran out of things to do, and the money didn’t support trying. Start donating whatever money you can to your favorite fan movies because that’s the closest your ever gonna get again. Pissing and moaning in here is only helping defeat your desire. The more people you turn away from going to see the movie, the more nails your nailing in your dreams coffin. The movies only go where the money follows.
For those that love it, I’m there with ya so far. I agree with what someone mentioned earlier, we only saw 2 minutes of 120 minutes of film. It’s certainly different, it will certainly cross the canon boundaries somewhere, but it is giving us our first and possibly last chance in the next decade or two to live in a dream once more. Tell your friends, family, coworkers, etc how excited you are and get them excited. I run a call center with 200 some people. I showed the cam copy of the trailer to 20 of them and they were shocked and excited. Only 2/20 were star trek fans, 14/20 said they would actually go see it or watch it if it were to come out on DVD. Of those 20, only 6 had watched a star trek movie/show in the last 5 years. I think that speaks a lot about what JJ is doing. He’s saving ou dreams butt.
For the canonholics, pick which you prefer A) The end of Star Trek as you know it except in book format or B) New Hope and New Possibilities
Here’s an interesting reminder that it all depends on one’s perspective:
I have 2 daughters, ages 13 and 10. Both are huge ST fans, having watched the DVDs of TOS and TAS for years.
I just showed them the trailer, and their reaction was (and I’m quoting):
“That’s not ST.” “OMG, Kirk wouldn’t do that!” “That was so juvenile!”
After I stopped laughing, I explained to them that this was a different interpretation by a different set of artists, just as in music.
Just in from watching QoS on the Big Screen.
I can say without reservation that this film will bring in the crowds.
People were whoo-hooing at my showing…
802. Canon Shmanon-
Right on Brother…
I hope that all of the negatives get blasted with the Canon Cannon.
814 Best version yet
People were giggling at the theater I went to.
#816-
Your daughters aren’t the authority on Star Trek and your analysis is wrong.
Suck it up.
Youtube seems to have at least a couple versions but it is recommended you see it in the theater.
EVERYONE SHOULD READ #815
819 go away
Just saw QoS at a Regal Cinemas in Jacksonville, FL. No ST trailer! I was however treated to a trailer for Disney’s Bedtime Stories.
I’m glad I watched the bootleg or else I’d be SOL until Monday.
820, you are way out of line and completely missing the point. I actually liked the trailer, per my earlier post.
Let me clarify my position a little. I’ll be going to see this film at midnight at the first showing. I no doubt will see it more than once. I hope that Star Trek never dies.
I do hope that in the process of bringing Star Trek back they haven’t lost what good Star Trek is. Which to me is clever writing, solid performances and the depth of the characters. A big part of what makes Trek Trek to me is knowing that how these characters react to their situations is based on what we know to have came before; the cannon or history.
I’m sure it will be great in it’s own way but increasingly it seems that it will not be what I was hoping for. That’s okay too.
Anyway, as always it’s been a pleasure bashing it about with you folks. I love talking about Star Trek! However, I must go hang a ceiling fan or my dear wife will kill me.
Au revoir.
I’m curious as to where all of these plot points you’re discussing are coming from. Kirk palling around w/ Pike, Pike and George Kirk on the Kelvin, Kirk’s entire history (Kodos etc.) gone. I didn’t see any of that in the trailer. Hell, Pike’s voiceover COULD be a speech at an Academy graduation.
The Rebel Without a Clue moment with the ‘vette doesn’t mean Kirk never experienced Kodos — even Shatner et al, was able to deal with both Iowa and Kodos in the Starfleet Academy book. He even made him a bit of a troubled delinquent who steals a car (Look, the book was a gift).
If you’ve got actual, documented spoilers, don’t hold back!
823:
How mean! What did I do? I’ve been good….today…
#817 I want to see a canon cannon…
#825
I guess it all depends on one’s perspective.
Oh yea, 10 and 13 year old girls really have a lot of authority on what is juvenile or not. That make me LOL
I was so excited when I saw the trailer last night. There was a lot of information crammed into and I look forward to studying it more online when it’s uploaded.
my apologies 828….there is another poster DataBrain. I got confused.
There were quite a few gasps and ‘here we go’s when the Corvette came on screen in both screenings of the trailer I saw last night at Universal City. More importantly, there was earnest, hands held high Hollywood audience applause at the end. There was a True Believer Trekker a few seats down from me and he looked short of breath at the end. Both theaters were packed with Latino and Armenian kids, whose reactions were much stronger than in either FAST & FURIOUS, WATCHMEN or THE INTERNATIONAL [the audience laughed derisively at THE INT'L]. The kids in the 10p screening were much more vocal in their approval of TREK trailer than the 720p audience. My subjective opinion: more chicks on dates at the 720p. That could either mean the dudes kept quiet or that the trailer wasn’t girl-friendly enough. I’d guess the latter.
I remember audience reactions to The Phantom Menace trailer at the Chinese Theater very well. When the Lucasfilm logo came up, the initial reaction was similar, if a little more enthusiastic. But the reaction at the end of the trailer was not applause, but one sports event ‘woooooo’ and a lot of conspicuous silence.
nice description 834
Did you know that 23rd century motorcops wear spandex?
Did you know that Kirk and Uhura kissed before Plato’s Stepschildren?
Did you know that technology regressed 20 years prior to TOS?
Did you know that Kirks eyes were once blue?
#830 – That was exactly my point.
“Stepschildren” LOL
AP and numerous others keep repeating the scurrilous libel that “Star Trek was a low budget, cheesy television program.” blah blah blah.
BONK BONK! BAD PUPIL. BONK BONK ON THE HEAD!
I assume the commentators are not exactly “finance savvy” so here’s the math:
$190,000 in 1966 (per episode budget)
EQUALS
$1,201,768 in 2007
Not exactly cheap, boys. And keep something else in mind: CGI and programmers ARE CHEAP and PLENTIFUL!
Practical sets, models, and master craftsmen/carpenters ARE EXPENSIVE and SCARCE!
So please, next time you smash mouth Star Trek for being “cheap”, direct your comments to the NBC genius that cancelled it far too soon!!!
Otherwise, readers might think that you are ignorant simpletons lacking a liberal character as well as an appreciation of the ingenuity, accomplishments and circumstances of the several billions of us Homo sapiens that were born, lived and died long before you.
Ok #826, come back & play later.
I’m going to need see this movie to be in IMAX …..
Here’s the opinion of a new fan — ‘new’ being relative, I guess. I am probably part of the demographic that Abrams & company want to bring in. And they’ve succeeded.
I’m an 80′s/90′s baby who grew up on MTV, cable, and Shatner’s post-ironic status as SHATNER, rather than ‘the guy who played Kirk’. I’ve watched the modern shows (mainly TNG and DS9), many of the new movies, even some of the TOS ones. I can name planets and peoples in the Star Trek world, give a loose draft of Federation history, sketch out biographies of most of the universe’s main characters.
Am I die hard fan? I never really considered myself one. It was just this show I liked, because I liked sci-fi and I have a good memory, so I remember stuff. Until this ‘reboot’, TOS was this distant old thing made out of cardboard and women painted green, starring Shatner’s dramatic pauses and Nimoy’s eyebrows. Interesting as 60′s pop culture, especially for that all-important first televised interracial kiss, but nothing I felt related to me.
But when this movie started being put together, it’s drawn me in. I’m willing to be it’s going to draw in other people like me — not complete ‘newbies’ to the franchise, but who enjoyed it and knew it, but wouldn’t have gone out of their way to support it, or anything. It has introduced me to Kirk and Spock and the rest of the crew properly for the first time, as characters rather than stereotypes. (I especially look forward to new!Uhura, because I’m a girl, so that’s important to me — TOS was never compelling for me because the women seemed like props and extras.) The designs look beautiful and compelling — that action sequence was EPIC — and frankly, the whole thing just looks cool. It looks relevant and modern.
I understand the importance of canon, but some of you long-time fans, the ones who seem very unhappy about all the ‘changes’, who talk in this offended, proprietal way about the whole thing (I don’t mean the people who have reasonable qualms — I mean the knee-jerk reaction guys) you have to understand how xenophobic and just… douchebag-y you seem. Star Trek doesn’t belong to just you. Roddenberry’s whole point, I always thought, was inclusiveness and change for the better. It belongs to everyone who wants to care about it, even the kid who just started watching yesterday, or the kid who’ll see it for the first time this summer.
Anyway, trailer looks kick-ass and I am totally buying some sort of retro Star Trek t-shirt to celebrate.
#842 awesome! especially the whole douchebaggy reference. Bravo.
#839: I haven’t read the articles you mention, but if that’s what they’re saying, they’re pretty uninformed (which is not surprising). My recollection is that ST was one of the most expensive shows on TV at the time, and that the only show with a larger budget was Mission: Impossible. Can anyone else verify that?
#220
Good call on Top Gun. Now the reports of Tom Cruise visiting the set make perfect sense. He was giving acting lessons to Chris Pine on how to emote angst for the scene on his motorcycle in front the construction site in Miramar, er, Iowa.
Those two maitre di stations on the bridge that don’t belong: They’re for the linesman to judge in or out for the shirtless bridge volleyball game.
Kirk = Maverick
Spock = Iceman
McCoy = Goose
Pike = Viper
Uhura = Charlie
“Did you guys ever WATCH the show?!?””
- Guy Fleegman in Galaxy Quest
I’m in love with Nina-in-Ca
I assume people have noticed the reversed/backward shot of Spock, with the patch seemingly on the RIGHT side rather than the left? I’m wondering if that’s an editing mistake, or a deliberate nod to the TOS fans, in rememberance of the various times it happened in the sixties.
Anthony, might your sources comment?
#842: Nina, great speech. That film’s for you and your generation. Bring all your friends and enjoy the ride.
Forget about all those overgrown whining brats who can’t distinguish between reality and fiction and consider “canon” their holy grail or scripture.
820:
No analysis is “wrong.” Look it up.
It was a valid statement from two children posted not as a challenge to your “authority” which is based on the ownership of tapes and the hours you’ve logged in front of Star Trek.
When I show it to my kids, 8 and 6, I will also log their reactions. They don’t care for Trek now, but maybe they’ll like the trailer, as I do. They love Star Wars, which has done a lot more to market itself to a new generation than Trek has.
#847
The backwards shot of Spock’s patch is a clue telling us that Spock is dead. If you play the scene backwards you’ll hear kirk saying the walrus was Spock.
#815 I take “B”. While cannon in Trek is important, this is fiction. Based on what I’ve seen on the trailer, the movie looks very promising. Imagine if JJ had used the same bridge design as TOS and not taken advantage of special effects advances made since 1960′s? Fans whould be on his a%$ in a second. Enjoy this movie for what it is.
Just went to 12:45p showing in Boston. No trailer. Wicked disappointed.
This is one hardcore fan that does not care about changes to the “look” of Trek. Updating or re-imaging is fine. I just hope Abrams and his team try to have some respect for canon or at least some respect to past history established in TOS. They don’t have every detail as long as the general theme, “the human adventure is just beginning” is maintained.
The trailer sounds great, This will be Trek for a new generation.
I’m also a “new generation” fan like #842, born in the same time period, similar background experience with Star Trek and I still remain a bit skeptic :P
(but from the looks of it, if I don’t agree with the movie’s fanboy crowd, people will undoubtedly flame me)
Dangflabbit!
Went to see Quantum of Solace to catch the Star Trek trailer at Oakwood 18 in Hollywood and so they show the following:
Eight Pounds
Bedtime Stories
The Day the Earth Stood Still
Angels and Demons
The Spirit
Fast and the Furious part 24
Eight Pounds AGAIN
and no bloody Star Trek!!!! the bastages!
and of course, when I left the bond flick, which was really quite good btw, I looked for someone to complain to and they must have been hiding because all I saw were the cleaning crews for the theater…which if I complained to them, they would just shrug their shoulders and tell me they got to see it about 40 times already….
Here’s the clincher…a friend of my son’s….the cousin of Roberto Orci…went to the same theater last night and guess what they showed in the trailers?….Star frakking Trek!!!
Guess they knew Orci’s cousin was going to that showing…
*grumbles and waits until Monday to see it on my dinky laptop*
#848: I don’t know if it’s ‘for’ anyone, but it’s made my sort of lazy fondness grow into passionate affection, fo sho. Though watching this trailer again, with the space-action extravaganza and Uhura taking her top off to show her distractingly-white bra, I think it’s more for my younger brother’s generation, too — he’s a total 21st century kid who knows Star Trek mostly from (ugh!) that Enterprise show, which I felt was a complete afterthought but that he thought was awesome, etc. (He is the grew up on SciFi Channel demo. They power the summer blockbuster box offices, I guess.)
Hopefully they’ll have a big Paramount presence at Comic-Con next summer. Totally going if they do!
Oh and #846, LOL, lova ya too.
I like the new Serenity trailer…oh wait!
So Kirk was a delinquent, Spock is emotional & aggressive, Uhara can’t keep her clothes on and Scotty seems ever-so-slightly insane… but theres some original sound effects folks!
but putting the canon down for a moment, that was sure one hell of a trailer, the kid in me can’t wait…
847 and 850…seriously why is it on the wrong side????????? I went back and looked.
alternate dimension….?
alternative is actually a better work hunh?
#842 Nina – what your said…was beautifully said.
- and this is from an old timer.
I went to the Las Vegas Convention this past August, my first time attending.
I’m super-stoked about the new film and hope it brings LOADS of (sorta) newbies like yourself. :)
#812—-I see what you are saying. I suppose I have a hard time believing that Kirk and company will not be successful in preventing Vulcan’s destruction, however.
We all know that Jim Kirk doesn’t like to lose.
:)
what *you* said – (sic)
#860/861: Nope, cuz then he’d have a goatee. :-)
#827—-Those “spoilers” can be found in other recent articles here.
# 526 How about the constant murdering of “trailer” i.e. “trailor”, “traylor”, etc.
I know – it’s amazing. I can understand some occasional poor spelling, someone that English is not their first language, etc, but on this site we are seeing common words constantly being spelled correctly, so why do we see them misspelled? If people are reading these posts, they are constantly seeing them spelled correctly, so why do they think their spelling is the correct one? I saw a “Nemoy” yesterday or the day before. Why? It’s mind-boggling.
I think everyone needs to relax a bit and realize that it’s JUST A TRAILER! We are taking EVERY SINGLE SCENE out of context. There have been comments:
1) It doesn’t look like Iowa – Maybe he was on vacation/ at school (Not necessarily Starfleet academy) etc?
2) The Enterprise wasn’t built on the ground – NEVER established in TOS where it was built except the dedication plaque on the bridge said SAN FRANCISCO and the last time I checked, that’s here on Earth. (See also comments by the new writers regarding gravity)
3) Scotty scemes insane – maybe he’s EXCITED like he says?? We have no idea what lead up to his saying that.
May I also remind people that there were a LOT of hard core TOS fans that bad mouthed The Next Generation before it aired FOR THESE EXACT SAME REASONS and then later about 99.9999% ate their words because TNG was actually good.
Give the Frakkin’ movie a chance and see it before you bad mouth it!
I will be hopefully seeing the trailer this afternoon, assuming the theater will enclose it with QoS.
I’d be curious if thought has been made to do a poll to see if people like either the trailer or think the new Trek movie will be good based on it.
#868—-You mean I only represent 0.0001% ? I still badmouth TNG.
Just kidding. Good points.
Just remember, anyone knocking the script based upon a 2min clip is also knocking Nimoy, who has said his reason for coming out of retirement was due to the quality of the script. I tend to trust his opinion a lot more than pissy purists in desperate need of attention. LOL I guess Nimoy doesn’t get Star Trek, right? Pah-leeeeeease.!
> 746.
You can eat your foot, because there are 2 people that use this nick..
but if he also thinks that this new star trek is horrid.. well we are mind melding! lol
I still see no explanations for the patch on the wrong side of spock’s shirt scene yet…come on. You guys are suppose to know everything!
Matias – “(Look, the book was a gift).” LOL! Lately I’ve been stocking up on 1-cent+shipping used ‘gifts’ at Amazon… I take the front and back covers off so I can read them on the bus to and from work without feeling exposed (I used to be a bookseller – I know what I “should” be reading…)
Look, name-calling and angry rants against those who don’t agree with one’s take on things does nothing, but there’s one thing we should all agree on is that keeping an open mind is essential. You guys, I’ve forgotten more specs than some of you would ever have time to even learn. I used to be hard-core; ‘Trek got me through my young life as a smart funny fat girl. I remember the old Federation Trading Post in NYC, a freakin’ CLOSET with a couple of tribbles and some badly-made uniform shirts for sale. When Kirk died in Generations, I wanted BLOOD for the way it was done. Like many, I want Rick Berman in prison…. But here’s the thing: after so many years, after so many missteps and awful episodes of various ‘Treks, after so much DRECK, I can overlook nearly anything at this point if it seems like there’s going to be payoff at the end. When TOS was in production, no one was thinking in terms of ‘canon’ or ‘history’ – exactly how many TOS shows made reference to a prior TOS show or character? Story arcs did not exist then; stardates were just different numbers one week to the next (I have seen and heard my share of stardate explanations and calculations… they were JUST NUMBERS.)
Look, I know, I’m rambling and rambling, but I haven’t talked ‘Trek in a very long time and it’s hard to resist ;) My point is that there are ingrained elements of ‘Trek that longtime fans need to loosen up their grip on, ‘shoulds’ and ‘shouldn’ts,’ ‘woulds’ and ‘wouldn’ts’ – if you loved the trailer and can’t wait for the movie, good. If not, hang in there at least until the movie’s out, let go of your deeply entrenched knowledge of what came next or before, and just see if your hearts and minds think and feel it as “Star Trek” once it comes out.
These people didn’t just grab a bunch of well-known character names and re-imagine their entire existence. They worked hard to present younger versions of people we know. The entire world may not have been watching them as they worked, but there were those who did, some who might even really figured out the science of TOS stardates. None of those people want to be responsible for the crash and burn of Star Trek, again, or an ‘Episode One.’
TRUST THEM.
to clarify what i said earlier…go away (if you can understand me while I’m eating my foot…???)
#862: I think part of it is that, for the first time, Star Trek is being presented as something everyone can get into — rather than something one had to have had loved from TOS onward. I don’t love Abrams (he’s way over-hyped) but I appreciate that he’s a smart and positive sort of guy, aware of marketing and outsider perception, but also aware of what makes a fictional universe work. He’s a 21st century storyteller: multimedia, multitasking, and is not beholden to history, but has no urge to defame it, either. (I think the 90′s was the time to go all anti-everything — see DS9 — but the times have moved on.)
BTW, the Children of Dune score is really very good.
Works for the trailer.
#872—-And yet neither one of you have seen it yet….hmmm.
842. Nina
Thank You!
It is a pleasure to know that JJ & Co. are already drawing “newbies”.
Plus it is nice to read such a thoughtful & funny response to those who bash any attempt to make TOS relevant again.
It is people like you, (and your little brother), that give me hope that Trek WILL have a future.
If I was in Ca. I would buy your ticket in May.
Hell, if I was 20 years younger, I’d marry you.
Also…it looks like Paramount is starting to pull the plug on the bootlegs.
They are dropping like flies.
No ST or Watchmen trailers here at the Arizona Center 24 in Phoenix (not from here, but in town at a convention). I did, though, had to sit through some stupid-@ss trailers for 7 pounds and the International. I was cheated!
Thank God QoS rocked …
874/NoRez:
The Federation Trading Post! Aaaaaagh! On like 52nd between 2nd and 3rd?
I used to go there and bask as a child. Bought 2 tribbles out of the barrel, and “I am Not Spock,” and a 45 of Nichelle Nichols singing something.
What a place! The size of a bathroom, for sure. I lived near it, so I would lurk around it often.
In keeping with the “let’s just relax” sentiment, who says Kirk didn’t know how to drive?:
http://www.c-we.com/piranha/reactor2.jpg
Although maybe he went out and got this baby after “A Piece of the Action” :)
The trailer is breathtaking, simply magnificent.
Forget what went before; this is an exciting, fresh reimagining of the mythology.
Message to “No Reboot Man”: Let’s go over this a 12th time: no reboot = no Trek. Ever. This MUST be done to make Trek a viable franchise again. Wider audience and boffo receipts are good things. Expand your focus.
Message to “Knee-Jerk Reaction Man”: Watch the film before making a final judgment. Attempt to rein in your penchant for conclusions and determinations based on insufficient data points.
Message to “Canon Man”: You’re stuck in the past. History is told from many perspectives; who is to say that this version is any less valid that what has gone before? The most-told stories (Shakespeare, Aeschylus) are told hundreds of ways.
Message to “Fallacy of Authority Man”: Sorry dude, but my Trek knowledge runs circles around yours. I make Richard Arnold look like a fanboi. Just fighting fire with fire.
Message to “Pessimist Man”: Lighten up, Francis.
Message to the rest of you: Rejoice! George Lucas and William Shatner aren’t involved in this!
PS: Message to Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman/Lindelof/etc.: Well done. Our Dallas audience cheered and talked halfway through the next trailer about it. Good Lord I can’t wait.
I’ve not read all the posts in here, so I don’t know if anybody has posted in this link yet from youtube of the trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0PbyHuJ9i4
Perhaps this is a story only you guys & gals will understand.
As I stood in line to get my tickets from the concessions stand, and the clock was ticking for the start of the movie – I was getting frustrated.
Sure it was the earliest possible show in the day (1pm), and the concession stand had 9 people behind it, but with over 40 people in line, they had 2 tills open, one of them with a trainee cashier.
And the auto-ticket booths were offline. And the cashier for tickets only was busy talking to a cute girl. he had directed me tot he concession stand.
And it was 4 minutes to 1pm. It was clear, I was going to miss the trailers.
Angrily I bemoaned aloud, “God I wish they’d open more registers” – to which the now visible manager said back – “don’t worry, there’s lots of trailers, you won’t miss the show”.
Before I could answer, a well dressed gentleman shouted back…
“We’re here for the F@CUKING trailers!”
To which I looked at him, and with a very decisive voice said…
“Star Trek”?
4 people replied yes.
3 concessions tills opened, and we all got in the theater as the lights went down. I even had time to take off my jacket before the corvette showed up on screen.
End of story. We Rule.
#873.. there were 2 shots in the trialor that were accidentally mirrored.
To all fake star trek fans that like cheap imitations…
Please.. star trek is about the spirit of star trek. I would prefer to see a play on a stage with cardboard cheap props, but with the power of the characters and great acting, than a 2008 version of a shoot-em-up with no spirit at all.
I can see well beyond all the effects, they dont touch me a bit. CGI is cool.. for a few seconds and thats all.. what makes STAR TREK a HISTORICAL thing were not the special effects. Now when you understand why TOS was so important, and why they are destroying it, then come back and tell ME that im not a fan.
Sorry Im not a fan of imitation-trek. I want the spirit that went in TOS, if they are not achieving that this is a disgrace.. they should have made some other spin off and left TOS alone.
For the record I thought that all the TNG and after series were … barley viewable… I couldn’t even bear to watch deep space nine and enterprise… it was torchure! Boldly going no where, just siting around in a space station.. LOL~!
Sorry guys, I think I have the highest standards for star trek… and imitation trek just doesnt seem to lick it.
You know what phrase fits in this situation? A PIG with LIPSTICK.
This movie seems VOID of the fundamentals of what made trek great, and they smeared special effects all over it (lipstick).
I am not a person without vision, nor backward resistant to change.. HOWEVER I want quality change.. change towards the better…
so many remakes of old movies or songs suck…
of course I will be sure about this only if I see the whole thing, but my experience tells me that this will disappoint all those who really understand what star trek is and how important it was for a new movie to convey that spirit, especially NOW.
wow… i got message 777 and 888. Both considered very lucky. Hmmm…
Just went to Bond again at a different major theater.. still no trailer. I’m doubly pissed. I would have thought for as liberal as Minnesota is Trek would have been promoted… Did I mention how pissed I am?
44 HOURS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gotta say, this movie loks amazing!!!!! lolroflwtfomglololololo,l!!!!!!!111!!!!!
Federali, did you even click on any of the links for the bootleg trailer? No, dont thank me! Its not me you should thank!
#886 – wow, man – where’d you get to see this movie already?? I wish I had as much insight into how devoid of humanity it is. I guess I’ll have to wait until May. . .
Peace,
Brock’s Spain
889. Boy, does that post suck all the life out of the room.
I sure hope you’re wrong. For me it’s more than mythology. It’s more than who played what role, or the color of klingon blood.
It’s more than canon, or the mistakes made.
It’s about the suspension of disbelief for two hours, allowing me to forget budget deficits, unemployment, and maybe, just maybe inspire others for the future.
Frankly, I know you’re wrong. Here’s why.
We as a culture, both in North America and the world are looking for a distraction. Escapism or something like it. Pushing the movie to 2009 guarantees that a world caught in a recession will want to escape. We want hope, and the belief it will get better.
That was the heart of the original Trek, or at least the Federation. We finally got it right, flaws and all.
So while we can disagree, I hope you’ll mute your admonishment until you can truly pass judgment after seeing the full movie. At least then you can say ‘I told you so’ with the same anonymity that you are trashing it now.
OR, you can say you liked it on some level.
OR, you can say you thought it was a great reboot.
Just my opinion.
Regards
Flaming Wings Forever!
Oh Spocksbraaaain,
You are being irrational! Your’re just mad because the world is changing around you. Who would want to spend 8 bucks on a movie we’ve seen already? Get a grip or get gone!
also my theater DID NOT show the teaser with Cloverfield. And I saw it twice. As for this trailer, I saw QoS 2 times and I can say that no one thought this was a Star Trek movie! lolol
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Thanks for saving me the trouble.
#886—-I have said this a hundred times, and I may say it a hundred more.
Star Trek is, to me, about a vision…A vision that humanity does not destroy itself, but instead, unites to conquer the social ills which plague us today and bands together with other species who share the same notion about life in the galaxy and the desire to explore the final frontier.
It is a vision of an optimistic future.
With that said, TOS (my Star Trek) was filled with sexuality, violence, and action packed drama…exactly what is advertised in the trailer.
Dressing up Star Trek with new and improved effects and action-sequences does not equate to the subtraction of any of its thoughtful elements. It can certainly have both.
I have yet to see or hear anything which indicates that this film has somehow compromised Star Trek’s vision.
What is it you have seen or heard which tells you that it has?
And how?
#886
Sounds like your mind is closed to this. It is amazing that you haven’t seen the movie but you know from about 2 minutes of the movie that it doesn’t have the Star Trek soul.
God bless you and it is your right. But some of us will give it a chance.
Saw it last night and its a good trailer, got the attention of all of my non-trekkie friends that were with me, and it looks like it’ll be big…but that doesnt mean it’ll be a good star trek movie. It was hardly recognizable as Star Trek, the closest movie it looked like was Nemesis and we all know how well that did. My guess, it’ll do well in the box offices, partly because of marketing to the mainstream, and also because of the people making it. Hell, it’ll probably bring back Star Trek, though in name only. But as far as how it looks like it’ll stick to what trek is about, well I think it’ll make Enterprise look like damn good Star Trek. At first I complained that they were doing a TOS movie, I wanted my beloved TNG crew back, but now since it looks like they’re going to piss all over the true message of Star Trek, Im glad their doing it to TOS and not the 24th century. I could be wrong, this is just off of a trailer that is designed to capture the attention of the non-trekkie audience since they know all of us are going to see it. I do hope the core values of Star Trek (and not just TOS for all of you 24th century haters out there), I would love to see my beloved franchise reborn, but only time will tell.
886 “Now when you understand why TOS was so important, and why they are destroying it, then come back and tell ME that im not a fan.”
Fine. You are not a fan.
TOS is important because (deep breath): intelligent science fiction, utopian future vision, highly advanced fx for the time, racial integration, female officers, viability of Desilu, key syndication programming, fan campaigns, fan-appeal novelizations, science fiction conventions, TAS, TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent, 11 features, pervasive pop cultural influences, Shatnerology.
Star Trek ELEVEN is not going to be TOS. But it is Star Trek. If you can’t get over yourself and your sentimental attachment to cardboard props, then I — have — had — enough — of — you !!!
Closetrekker,
All 886 posted was a link to a bootleg trailer.
>892
The trailer did not show any sign of character.. only shoot em up effects.
I didnt like the direction of the scenes. When the child says his name, it has no impact.. weak shot, weak acting… the guy that appears has a weak angle… and does not create emotional response…
do you understand how important this scene was to see kirk as a kid?
They blew it… so for great directing…
the scenes of the space ships in battle are cool… yawn.. ok… but boring. If I wanted shootem ups I would plug in a playstation and play.
Yes this reminded me more of nemesis than any other thing..
and boy did I hate nemesis.. stupidity in perfection.. lol
AJ –
210 East 53rd Street.
My dad and I went to nearly every weekend. Guess I memorized the address as, at that time, it was MECCA. My whole week of being made fun of at school could be chilled out by just a few minutes there.
obviously Anthony isn’t here or you would be gone so I’ll just go ahead and say that you pretty much suck Spocks Brain and I wish you would leave….k?
So canon folks… You want to keep “Spock’s Brain” as canon?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaMrQdo9eJc
Enough said…
The trailer looks great.
This old Cole Porter song sums up my feelings in the most delightful way:
Times have changed,
And we’ve often rewound the clock,
Since the Puritans got a shock,
When they landed on Plymouth Rock.
If today,
Any shock they should try to stem,
‘Stead of landing on Plymouth Rock,
Plymouth Rock would land on them.
In olden days a glimpse of stocking
Was looked on as something shocking,
But now, God knows,
Anything Goes.
Good authors too who once knew better words,
Now only use four letter words
Writing prose, Anything Goes.
The world has gone mad today
And good’s bad today,
And black’s white today,
And day’s night today,
When most guys today
That women prize today
Are just silly gigolos
And though I’m not a great romancer
I know that I’m bound to answer
When you propose,
Anything goes
When grandmama whose age is eighty
In night clubs is getting matey with gigolo’s,
Anything Goes.
When mothers pack and leave poor father
Because they decide they’d rather be tennis pros,
Anything Goes.
If driving fast cars you like,
If low bars you like,
If old hymns you like,
If bare limbs you like,
If Mae West you like
Or me undressed you like,
Why, nobody will oppose!
When every night,
The set that’s smart
Is intruding in nudist parties in studios,
Anything Goes.
[RENO, PASSENGERS & CREW]
The world has gone mad today
And good’s bad today,
And black’s white today,
And day’s night today,
When most guys today
That women prize today
Are just silly gigolos
And though I’m not a great romancer
I know that I’m bound to answer
When you propose,
Anything goes
[RENO]
If saying your prayers you like,
If green pears you like
If old chairs you like,
If back stairs you like,
If love affairs you like
With young bears you like,
Why nobody will oppose!
[ALL]
And though I’m not a great romancer
And though I’m not a great romancer
I know that I’m bound to answer
When you propose,
Anything goes…
Anything goes!
906 BRILLIANT…….that was by far the most ringing endorsement so far dor this reboot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://basenexus.blogspot.com/2008/11/nuevo-trailer-de-st-xi-subtitulado-al.html
The bootleg subtitled in spanish.
Spocks Brain,
The first episode of Star Trek (the Cage) was a cerebral, character driven teleplay.
I didn’t sell.
The next episode was an action packed effects heavy (for its time) teleplay.
It sold.
Perhaps you should start using Spocks brain to see the logic in that.
If the action packed trailer (which is no more dramatic than any other trailer made in the 21st century) brings audiences back to Trek, then bring it on.
In the meantime there’s plenty of DVDs of old Trek to console you.
@699: McCoy rattling someone’s cage is out of character? How much TOS did you ever watch? He ALWAYS rattled Spock’s cage, and Kirk’s, and anyone else to whom he was in close proximity.
#906. Thank you.
this is my favorite post EVER
906. colorado_gamer – November 15, 2008
So canon folks… You want to keep “Spock’s Brain” as canon?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaMrQdo9eJc
Enough said…
The trailer looks great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kZJJUc4mQ
Alternate *extended* trailer for New Star Trek Crew (nearly 8 minutes!)
I know that if I were so uninterested in what this film may have to offer, I wouldn’t spend near as much time here posting about it as “Spock’s Brain”, “Lieud Vejgrint”, or some of the other naysayers out there.
What would be the point?
I know this. Of the 413 people currently polled, 244 of them saw the trailer attached to QOS. Only about 42 of them said they were “disappointed”, while the rest of them (over 200) said that it was either “fantastic” or “pretty good”.
While it is a relatively small sample, it certainly does not bode poorly for the film. In fact, it says just the opposite.
It’s funny to me that those who have such negative impressions are often the ‘loudest’ on these threads, when apparently, the majority of readers have very good impressions.
Count me among those who thought it was “fantastic”.
I cannot wait to see my favorite characters return. I have been waiting for over twenty years for them to be recast, to tell you the truth.
It is about time someone said, “The wait is over.”
I kind of got screwed… went to see QoS today – the Star Trek trailer ran first… of course the lame ass projector operator didn’t have the right lens up so we watched the trailer smashed all up and too tall for the screen… I was pissed!!!! it looked good smashed though…
The new trailer went over great at our local theater and for me, it was the best thing about Quantam of Solace. This truly looks like a return to the fun and adventure of TOS.
I felt like a kid on xmas morning and this was just the trailer! After 17 stale years, excitement is in the air. Thanks to Bob Orci and all those other guys you hang with.
Spocks Brain – I can’t tell if you’re a troll or what. Claiming to have the highest standards for Star Trek is narcissistic, like the guy who never gets laid because he such high standards in women.
I’ve had great Trek experiences in many different forms. The Original Series inspired my career choices and the women, Uhura, the Romulan Commander from “The Enterprise Incident” and Droxine mostly, set my mating standards. I love it. TMP was a cerebral, thinking man’s Trek that was so different from TOS, but in moments like Spock’s longhaired spiritual quest, seemed even more true to the characters than the original. The Genesis Trilogy was like the Renaissance of Star Trek. TNG’s peak moments, like “The Best of Both Worlds,” Lwaxana, Barclay, Riker’s beard and “Yesterday’s Enterprise,” kept the dream alive. The authors of the paperbacks and the canonized hardcovers proved that you didn’t need effects, make up or music to be transported by the characters.
Spocks Brain, can you lighten up and have a conversation about the space between us? Though we disagree on many things, isn’t what we share more important? The thing about JJKO, is that it’s their dicks on the block here. Nobody will hold you accountable if you’re wrong next May. As artists they’re putting themselves on the line and daring us to expand our idea of the future even wider.
Last point to Spock’s Brain and Databrain and others: y’all can timidly go where Trek has gone before by watching the DVDs, reading the books and playing video games. But don’t flame or insult those who choose to go boldly.
#915
“I know that if I were so uninterested in what this film may have to offer, I wouldn’t spend near as much time here posting about it as “Spock’s Brain”, “Lieud Vejgrint”, or some of the other naysayers out there.”
Nail, meet head.
#450 – “Let’s just give it up already? Canon does not work anymore. It has been broken since the end of TNG.”
I dunno. I think it’s been working pretty darn well, all things considered. Maybe until now? Maybe it’ll all work out okay? I guess we’ll have to see. If not, hmm… One movie vs. 10 movies and 5 TV series? Guess what’ll hit the ash-heap? ;)
“I wish Abrams and the rest of the guys would just cut the crap and call this what it really is. A reboot and a remake. Just start from scratch. Trying to appease the older guys by saying it respects canon, by doing away with it, is a bad move.”
At least if they do plan on throwing out the Trekverse that’s stood for 40 years, and they said so, I’d've been able to avoid spending any time or energy getting emotionally invested in the film. As it is, either there’s a “fix” we haven’t seen yet (possible) or they misled us (also possible, I suppose).
#517 – “Overall though I don’t mind as long this ISN’T a reboot. I will feel a bit cheated if the time travel creates a new timeline where all we know of the history of the future is changed. I mean its not life or death but Star Trek has been a big thing for me.”
That’s pretty much how I feel, as well. All things considered, different warp and transporter VFX don’t matter all that much to me. But keeping the integrity of the Trekverse…that means a lot.
#738 – “I think that something has to be permanently altered, otherwise,the future telling of stories involving the young TOS-era characters would be somewhat less dramatic, given that we already know their fates.”
I just really don’t see how this tracks. The drama, as always, comes not from the question of whether they will or won’t get out of a given situation, but *how* they do, and what they take away from the experience.
But, then, I never understood the attraction of changing established backstories in any fictional world. To paraphrase from a different sci-fi franchise… “It’s a bad call, Ripley. A bad call.”
42 out of 200 is 20%. That is a very high percentage. That’s 20cents on every dollar that WILL NOT go into the studios pockets. I wouldn’t want to alienate 20% of the population that COULD go to my film. And keep in mind, those numbers can double or triple because most people go to the movies with one or more people, depending on if they have a family or not, as some do. So its that much more people who WONT be going.
In the “Off Topic But Still Good News Dept.”, TOS Remastered Season 2 is now available on iTunes.
and Closet trekker, you are pretty loud yourself., You are a constant on all these boards as well. So i guess you are out of the closet.
#921—That 42 out of 244…not 200. That is not 20%.
Nor does it mean that those 42 people will not see the film, especially judging from some of the comments from “disappointed fans”. Let’s say that half of them don’t (which I don’t believe for a second will happen).
That is less than 9%, some of whom–like you, had already made up their minds long before the debut of the trailer.
lieud vejgrint you will be there…..idiot
#923—-The difference is, I’m spending that time talking about something I fell very positive about.
Stop and think about that for a second.
Well, I just got back from a not so great Bond film, which was disappointing. I’d put it in league with Tomorrow Never Dies and License to Kill. Equally annoying, NO Trailer! Arggghhhh. So I can’t comment on it.
#921
“That’s 20cents on every dollar that WILL NOT go into the studios pockets”
So you say. I’m willing to bet at least half of the people complaining will see it just so they can complain about it in greater detail. My hardcore TOS friends that hated TNG would go to every TNG movie *just* so they could complain about it later.
Besides, that percentage is based on Trek fans visiting this site (and let’s face it – if you’re on this site you are likely more than a casual fan). If it included non-Trekkies, I can bet you that number would be smaller.
feel…not fell.
I saw a trailer on Your tube , from just the 2 minute clip, it looked Awesome, I think this film is going to be truly great and If it lives up to what i saw on the trailer, then I would say the trek franchise is going to come back with a vengeance.
Could that chasm over which young JTK almost falls be the result of Nero’s first attempt to kill his dad?
If I recall in the UK article, JTK recognizes the “singularity drill” being used to destroy Vulcan as one that was used on Earth in the past.
The old road he’s driving on just ends, so it’s most likely not a natural formation.
926 LMWAO
I called ahead to 2 theaters in South Jersey. Both managers confirmed the trailer. Sat through both. Great Bond Movie; NO TRAILER!!! Frustrating…
Have Y’all forgotten the EP1 Trailer? or the Lost in Space remake? I wish I was a fan of history erasing, but this trailer seems like Top Gun meets Star Wars with Simon Pegg as Jar Jar. “I like this ship, It’s exciting.” There’s even a little Judge Dredd when the kid gets chased down. It’ll make money, but it’s not TOS. “Children of Dune” sounds an awful lot like “Batman Begins”. If everybody wants to pay to see Greedo shoot first again, I understand, I’m gonna pass. I’ve seen enough remember that new doesn’t always mean improved. Whomever dubbed this “The Gorn Identity” – nail hit. If you loved Transformers – you’ll dig it. The Coms will be happy, but to the Yangs – it’ll mean nothing. – Dunsel out.
wow,. 925 spiked cannon! I got a warning then a deletion for NOT calling people names, and no, I will not be there, spooked canton. No no no. i do however, have 3 seasons of remastered trek coming in the mail. Not rebooted, not reimagined, not retarded. REMASTERED.
of course because you are part of the pasquale pets, you and outoftheclosetnontrekker there, your post for calling me that will NOT get deleted.
sticks and stones, mate. you go stand in line for TrekWars. Just don’t bring any children, because this is not a flick for all ages anymore. this Star Trek: 90210: Lost Heroes Starring Captain Ken, Spackle, Mcjoyless, Speggy, Uwhoa? Checkout and So-So . Oh, and don’t forget the token Villain Zero has got it all: Sex, thugs and ships that won’t roll! In the words of Captain Ken, “Buckle Up” because it’s the law! What a great original plot! Time Travel! “I been around the galaxy and I ain’t found George Kirk’s baby!”
#906
“So canon folks… You want to keep “Spock’s Brain” as canon?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaMrQdo9eJc
Enough said…
The trailer looks great.”
Don’t forget the space hippies.
Everyone pronounce James Tiberius Kirk
Now listen to the kid in the trailer.
Unless I have wax in my ears, he says
James SIberius Kirk. WTF?!?
Roddenberry would have cought this. Time for a voice over JJ
82% of those who actually saw the trailer with QOS feel positive about it.
Bodes well for its resonance with established fans who frequent this site.
it won’t get deleted because he isn’t here…but then again the name was spot on so it may stay………………..and yes yes, you will be there. If you bother to come to a site like this and voice your opionion you are a passionate fan. You will complain to anyone that will listen and then tuck your tail between your legs and reach real high up to the usher and hand him your ticket then grab your mommy’s hand and walk into the theatre…..oh a little advice. “don’t forget the booster seat…in enhances the experience”
Jon # 718
Real Star Trek (Shatner/Nimoy) did not fail. What failed was the cheap knock offs that followed it. The blandness of DS9, VOY and ENT killed the series.
If tptb knew what made Star Trek special in the first place the franchise would not have one foot in the grave.
The only reason why this film is an event film for all the nerds around the world (like me) is because it is bringing the true icons of the series (Kirk + Spock) back.
uh, this is not for young kids so if i went with mommy I wouldnt be allowed in, pike’s cannon.
I never saw all of TNG still, never saw an episode of Voyager or DS9 and for the first time watched Enterprise last month. In fact, I had never seen all the TOS episodes until last summer. all i have seen completely were 9 of the ten movies and only saw Nemesis for the first time last year and I have been a trek fan since 79. So if you think I’m gonna see Star Trek: 90210-The Big Apple, you’ll have to drag me, pike’s cannon, but don’t forget the booster seat, i want to have a shot at having a good experience.
#937 Pizza is correct…he definitely says Siberius with a freakin S. that’s an outrage. OK I don’t want to see it now…..j/k
#815 – “For the canonholics, pick which you prefer A) The end of Star Trek as you know it except in book format or B) New Hope and New Possibilities”
If the only option for not trashing the Trekverse is letting it continue in media other than film…I can live with that. Print Trek has been better Trek than filmed Trek for decades now, anyway. No big deal.
#918 – “Last point to Spock’s Brain and Databrain and others: y’all can timidly go where Trek has gone before by watching the DVDs, reading the books and playing video games.”
Obviously you’ve not been reading the books lately. There’s nothing timid about them these days. :)
Shatner, stop saying you’re “Spock’s Brain”. We all know it’s you.
ok guys someone has heard our preys its the trailier http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=3&id=62191
#937, I think he said James Riberius Kirk… this would be cannon with TOS Where No Man Has Gone Before…
“Real Star Trek (Shatner/Nimoy) did not fail. What failed was the cheap knock offs that followed it. The blandness of DS9, VOY and ENT killed the series.”
Exaclty. Paramount is not making this movie for the Bermanverse fans who decided to stay home at the debut of Nemesis or the Braga fans who steered clear of Enterprise. Those fans didn’t support that version of Trek at all, it was dying on the vines…. so why in the world would, or should, the studio bother to market their product towards them? This is geared towards casual movie goers who like to have fun at the movies and who have a basic knowledge of what Star Trek is. And for most people that knowledge consists of Kirk and the guy with the pointed ears. This movie is going to do bang up business, with or without the 24th century fans.
#940
Say what you will about DS9 – but show was a far, far cry from bland. It was Voyager’s half-baked attempt to recycle the TOS/TNG formula that gave Trek the final push into the delete bin.
907
I love Cole Porter.
936
I loved the space hippies. Still do. I have a theory with my wife that way more people do than will admit it. I’m convinced that’s why Charles Napier keeps showing up in interesting projects from time to time. Love Napier.
Its going to be mega hit at the box office , you watch.
After reading all the negative comments, I’d just like to know one thing: What is it that all you haters want? What would satisfy you? Another go round with the near-geriatric TNG crew? A piece of Mary Sue “fan” fiction staring 71-year-old George Takei? Because you know what — that would suck. And perhaps more importantly, its getting to the point where only a handful of people world wide would even want to see something like that. Some of you guys forget that Star Trek used to be POPULAR — not just something a few hard core geeks like us watched on Friday nights. Star Trek desperately needs a reboot.
As much as I hate to say it, it sounds like a lot of you guys really are stuck in the past. And you cling to this perfect idea of Star Trek that doesn’t even really exist. Star Trek is not some perfect thing that is not to be messed with. TOS was hardly perfect. SPOCK’S BRAIN, people. Spock’s fraking brain. In fact, we all need to admit to ourselves that the entire 3rd season was pretty bad. And the first 2 (or 3) seasons of TNG, all but the last couple seasons of Voyager, and all 4 seasons of Enterprise. Enterprise was an abortion, and you know it. Deep down, you know it.
And the movies — let’s see. The most successful (and arguably best) ST movie involved the the original crew on a Klingon ship stealing whales, for pete’s sake. The One With the Whales. If they made that today and the plot leaked out on the internet, I’d just LOVE to read what the haters would have to say. OMG, this is awful, not the spirit of the show, blah blah blah. But that movie ROCKED and it brought new fans on board.
But really, the thing that so many of you people are really forgetting is THE WRATH OF KHAN. The Wrath of Khan is THE thing that SAVED the Star Trek franchise from obscurity and extinction. Trek fan or not, it stood on its own as a great sci-fi flick. And you know what? That movie was more-or-less a reboot. Director Nicholas Meyer was NOT a Trek fan. And he brought in a bunch of new stuff. All the navy elements — uniforms, protocols, grit and realism that worked so well that TNG stuck with it — this is all stuff you purists would have not doubt HATED right up until the moment you saw the movie. But that’s what it took to save the franchise. New blood. A fresh mind. He brought a series from the 60′s into to 80′s. (It’s also worth noting that WRATH had the smallest budget of any Trek film.)
So here’s the problem. We are almost a DECADE into the 21st century, and Star Trek is still pretty much stuck in the 1980′s. (Or early 90′s — admit it.) The simple truth is Star Trek needs to be brought up to date again (and I emphasize AGAIN) — or the franchise will die, or rather only “live” on in the form of fan-produced web episodes. And the funny thing is, I think that would be just fine for most of the haters.
But not me.
May 2009, baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#940
And if we’re being honest, ‘Real’ Star Trek did fail Twice. TOS was cancelled after 3 seasons due to a poor showing in the ratings. The film series ended because TFF bombed and we were barely given a sendoff in the form of TUC (which wasn’t a smash either). Despite TNG’s eventual graduation to film, we were never going to get a Trek VII. ‘Real’ Trek was done.
To 937 and 942: I respectfully ask you to clear the earwax. The kid clearly says “James Tiberius Kirk.” The “s” sound from “James” is what you’re hearing. I wish they’d just had him say “James T. Kirk,” but I think they’re trying to prove themselves to canonistas.
931. AJ – “Could that chasm over which young JTK almost falls be the result of Nero’s first attempt to kill his dad? If I recall in the UK article, JTK recognizes the “singularity drill” being used to destroy Vulcan as one that was used on Earth in the past. The old road he’s driving on just ends, so it’s most likely not a natural formation.”
I don’t remember anything about that previous attack being on Earth, just that Kirk remembers a Romulan attack that happened around the time of his birth (that is, Nero’s attack on the Kelvin). However, you could be right.
Or maybe Abrams and crew just really misunderstood the word “canon” for “canyon.” Who knows…
Personally, I think the combination of Kirk’s jacket (looks like Marty McFly’s from Back to the Future II), the shots of the speedometer (climbing toward 80 before little Kirk accelerates), and the road-into-the-chasm all point to this being “Eastwood Ravine.” (They built a time machine…out of a Corvette?!) hehee….sorry, sorry…but it does make sense…as much as most posts here….
(Slinking away with tongue firmly in cheek.)
951:
Star Wars saved Star Trek, and TWOK saved it again.
952:
Star Trek was canceled after 2 seasons, and a massive letter-writing campaign brought it back for a third.
If Star Trek was so bad then, like 951 and 952 and others say, then why do you wan to see more?
This is for you:
Times have changed,
Star Trek has once again rewound the clock,
Since the Romulans got a shock,
When Nero encountered Spock.
If JJ
Any stories he should try to stem,
‘Stead of people lining around the block,
the flock would abandon them.
In olden days a glimpse of stocking
Was looked on as something shocking,
But now, heaven knows,
Anything Goes.
Good authors too who once knew better words,
Now only use four letter words
Writing prose, Anything Goes.
Star Trek has gone mad today
And good’s bad today,
And black’s white today,
And day’s night today,
When most guys today
Think that’s okay
Are just silly bozos
And though I’m glad Trek ain’t got cancer
I know Orci ain’t got the answer
But I suppose,
Anything goes
When Nimoy whose almost eighty
tries to save his former ship mates he back in time goes,
Anything Goes.
To see this flick I won’t even bother
It’s a wanna-be Wrath of Khan and it shows,
Anything Goes.
If driving fast cars Kirk likes,
Fights in bars he likes,
If no canon you like,
Berman-Brannon you like,
Simon Pegg you like
Uhura undressed you like,
Why, nobody will oppose!
When every night,
The set that’s smart
Is holding old TOS parties in studios,
Anything Goes.
If Nero’s stare you like,
If no hair you like
In the Captain’s chair you like,
If back stairs you like,
If love affairs you like
If no one cares what you like,
Why nobody will oppose!
I think all the naysayers are going to be easting their words when all is said and done. Trek is back !
To 937 and 942: He clearly say “Tiberius”. Plus, everyone on the planet including the script writers and JJ know his name is James T. Kirk. As college graduates they probably know “Siberius” doesn’t begin with a “T”. That would be James S. Kirk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBQyjrRgE4c
Yeah its real
To 955. lieud vejgrint — Very clever lyrics, there, lieud. To quote Tyler Durden, How’s that working out for you? Being clever? Keep it up, then, keep it right up.
I’m not sure why you’re sniping about the new movie, but it seems that you think it’s got too much sex and violence for “all ages.” (Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what I’ve gleaned from your, uh, posts.)
TOS had lots of sex and violence, as many here have pointed out. NOTHING in this trailer looks too intense for most, if not all ages–except, of course, kids so young that they shouldn’t be seeing ANY action movie.
I’m sure that next May we’ll be seeing your posts here, all about what you think of the movie. You’ll go see it, just like most of the other haters on this board, and then you’ll find out what we’ll all find out: does it work or not?
But for now, why not try toning down your sniping and meanness? If it really makes you feel better to be so snide and hateful, by all means, keep it up.
I’m pretty sure you’ll start attacking me, now, but at least maybe that’ll get you to lay off some of the others for a little while.
For many years, I have watched and enjoyed the original star trek series and even became obsessed with it. Recently, I took a break for several years and recently decided to watch a few episodes. I still enjoy them. To be honest, however, I would be embarrassed to show any of my friends the series. People must realize that once TOS lovers are gone, very few would enjoy the series and TOS would die as a parody. After seeing this trailer and reading about this new movie, I firmly believe that this is an answer to my prayers. If done successfully, it will be quite a long time before Star Trek is parodied and forgotten. Too many people seem to look at TOS as some sort of bible engraved in stone. To be honest, it is just a cheap TV show with crappy effects and cheesy music. Sorry, that’s reality not just to me, but to a majority of this generation.
For all of you historical canonites out there, take some advice from a character from a cousin franchise: “Relax. Take a deep breath.” Sure the whole time travel thing could have messed up with the timeline. But also, the original crew are cadets. Starfleet Academy is a college techinically, The Kodos situation could have been Kirk visiting relatives over spring break (High School or otherwise). Spock on the Enterprise under Pike or Kirk on the Farragut could be study “aboard” (rather than abroad). for the cadets during summers or semesters (Think Star Trek II, training missions aboard full blown active duty ships). Now everyone who assumes Pike served 2 5-year missions and April served one were assumptions by Mike Okuda during his compilation for the Star Trek Encyclopedia and the Star Trek Chronology. This was all conjecture that mus now be thrown out. All this back story mentioned in the episodes still occurs, but years and dates might be slightly changed. It’s nothing to worry too much about. Kirk only mentions that he met Pike once or twice and didn’t know him very well. Although he does seem to encounter him multiple times, I’m sure Kirk doesn’t know Pike as well as Spock does which may also explain why Spock has a bone to pick with Kirk as well. Sure certain aspects and looks look different, but I can see this film as a predestination paradox. They have done this a few times before (Regeneration/First Contact, STIV with the Transparent Alluminum, V’Ger and the questionably canon orignins of the Borg {whic I accept because it is perfectly valid and allows all the Captains to have had an encoutner with Borg on one level or antother}). Yes the web is getting more tangled, but your precious canon (which interpret loosely so I can make it fit in my mind) is still intact in my opinion. Sure ship design changed somewhat. No big deal, as it still resembles the origninal. This is the origin story we have been wating for since 1966. Let’s sit back and enjoy this romp with the orginal crew. For those of you nit picking it to death, I hope you like a world without Star Trek, because you will be the cause of it’s eventual downfall. The critics who are fans are always the ones who destroy the things they love. Don’t ruin it for those of us whose enjoyment of Star Trek is not based on technobabble, preconcieved notions, and conjecture but rather on the love for characters that travel the universe in a ship called the Enterprise (or Defiant or Voyager).
953
Wax in the ears or not, I’ve looped that part of the traier, even looked at the kids mouth and lips without sound to ‘read’ his lips. Anyway you cut it, the kid has bastardized “Tiberius” into sounding like Siberius. I’m not about to have a hissy fit over it. I’m still looking forward to seeing the moving.
I’m making a point, that if your going to say Tiberius, then say it properly.
In Undiscovered Country, during the trial, listen to General Chang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2hqpjiHC6A at around the 3.44 mark
It’s James Tiberius Kirk. With a F****** “T”
I would like to predict that JJ and company will do a voice over or reshoot that 5 second part and get it right.
This Trailer have subtitled in SPANISH.
See: http://www.cardassiaprimera.com.ar
#934:”
I agree 10%. Thanks.
oops
I meant I agree 100%. with #934.
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962. Pizza – November 15, 2008
953
Wax in the ears or not, I’ve looped that part of the traier, even looked at the kids mouth and lips without sound to ‘read’ his lips. Anyway you cut it, the kid has bastardized “Tiberius” into sounding like Siberius.
:) Yeah, this isn’t a biggie, so I’m not bickering back at you. But I did the same thing–looping the clip and reading his lips–and I have exactly the opposite take on it. To me, he very clearly says “Tiberius,” both the sound and the lip motion.
This is like song lyrics. I know people who swear up and down by their interpretation of what they’ve heard, while others hear exactly the opposite. Like you said, nothing to have a hissy over, but it’s an interesting tidbit. Here we are, having exactly opposite reactions to a single sound from a kid in a trailer; no wonder Trek fans can’t agree on anything more substantial! :)
Ah, I am so happy to be talking about Kirk and crew again like this…even the disagreements! Even with the changes, it feels like going back to visit old friends; they aren’t the same as I remember, the colors have shifted, but the fun is still there.
And I’m betting they’ll re-cut the clip to have the kid say, “James T. Kirk.” :)
Oh to add one more thing to my comment #961.
For those of you who noticed the klingon and said “Hey they have ridges on their foreheads.” Remeber Enterprise stipulated that the klingons would eventually regain their ridges. It’s possible that certain bloodlines grew their ridges back faster than others, hence why the ridges are not full blown ridges like TNG but more along the lines of subtle ridges like the original crew movie era Klingons. Just putting that out there as food for thought. Remeber relax and be patient. I’m just as anxious as the rest of you. But, I’m going to do my best to wait for the story to unfold. Remeber alternate timelines can flow together as multiple paths to the same destination.
Did not show on the Mega screen at the 1:00pm showing of Quantum of Solace on Nov. 14 at the Wehrenberg Galaxy 14 in Chesterfield, MO. The Start Trek trailer was the reason I paid a $2 premium for the big screen.
How do you explain the extremely under-ridged Klingons from The Undiscovered Country?
966 Paul B
Gentleman’s bet is on. Regardless of what they change it to. If they DO change it, then it was close enough to the “S” sound for them to make that change.
No offence taken from you either, this is all healthy discussion.
Cheers!
969
It could have been a relapse of the virus that then would have necessitated a usage of Phlox’s vaccine again. However, as the Klingon Genome had evolved in the 125 years since it was used, the ridge removing side effects were less prominent and the ridges grew back at a much faster rate. See all it takes is a little imagination and you as a fan can come up with your own explanation that still fits within scientific and historical canon.
Trailer chat is now moved to latest Trailer article
http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/15/star-trek-trailer-hits-the-net-unofficially/