Anthony’s Thoughts On The L.A. Star Trek Movie Presentation

Last night JJ Abrams finally brought his World Tour to Los Angeles, for a screening of four scenes from his Star Trek movie at the Paramount Theater on the Paramount lot. TrekMovie correspondents have been covering each stop on the tour, but this was the first time I, your humble editor, was there to see it for myself. Find out what I thought below. [SPOILERS]

 

 

SCENE SUMMARIES
Below are quick summaries of the four scenes shown. Since this has been covered by this and other sites extensively, it is not worth going into too much detail (and can be skipped if you have been reading all our other reports), but is presented here as a quick refresher. My thoughts on what was shown is presented separately below.

Scene 1 – Iowa Bar
This is the first scene where the audience will see Pine as Kirk and it has him in modern looking bar (with some sci-fi touches like menus with animations on them). Although there is much talk about Star Wars, this bar is no Cantina scene, it is very real and it is identifiable as our future. Uhura (Zoe Saldana) is at the bar ordering drinks for her friends when Kirk tries to pick her up. She brushes him off, but seems to be impressed when he is familiar with her field of communications expertise. Kirk is then confronted with four Academy cadets whom he antagonizes further resulting in a bar brawl and Kirk getting beaten pretty badly until Captain Pike (Bruce Greenwood) comes into he bar to break it up. He sits Kirk down (and apparently knows him) and gives him a ‘your dad was a hero on the USS Kelvin and you are wasting your life’ speech and implores him to go to Starfleet Academy. Although Kirk doesn’t give Pike any hope that he is listening, we then see Kirk riding his motorcycle to the "Riverside Shipyards" in Iowa to board the shuttle for the Academy.


James T. Kirk – rebel without a ship

Scene 2 – Kirk’s Romulan Warning
It is now three years later and Kirk has been a "trouble maker" at the Academy. He is still a cadet pending a review (due to the Kobayashi incident) when there is an Emergency on Vulcan and many Starfleet ships are called into duty to help with possible evacuation. Kirk is not assigned to a ship, but his buddy Dr. McCoy (Karl Urban) has smuggled him on board the USS Enterprise for her maiden voyage. The scene starts with McCoy dragging a sick Kirk into Sickbay (where Kirk still had time to make a pass at a nurse). McCoy injects Kirk with some kind of drug that knocks him out, Kirk regains consciousness while Chekov (Anton Yelchin) is briefing the ship on the ‘lightning storm’ at Vulcan and Kirk immediately perks up, realizing he needs to warn Pike they are headed into a Romulan trap. He uses a console to ask the computer where Uhura is and then goes to get her and they head to the bridge with McCoy trailing and injecting Kirk with various things to cure him from whatever side effect the last injection had (including comically giant hand swelling). Once on the bridge Pike is not happy to see Kirk, but after he explains things, even Spock (Zachary Quinto) agrees "the cadet’s logic is sound" about the trap. Uhura was brought along because she had intercepted Romulan communications and so she was put in charge of Comms, because she speaks "all three" Romulan dialects.


Red Alert!

Scene 3 (shown 4th) – Romulan Attack on Vulcan
Although this scene was actually the fourth to be shown, it appears come between the scenes shown second and third We start off in some industrial part of the ship with Pike, Spock, Kirk, Sulu (John Cho) headed to the shuttle bay. The ship is at Vulcan and the Romulans are attacking the planet. Pike has accepted an offer to go to Nero’s ship to negotiate but tells Kirk and Sulu they are going to jump out of the shuttle on the way in order to shut down the drilling beam coming from a platform Nero has extended into Vulcan’s atmosphere. Pike puts Spock in command and makes Kirk first officer (Spock is not amused). On board the shuttle Kirk and Sulu talk to Chief Engineer Olsen about the mission and he is gung ho to "kick Romulan ass" but after they jump and dive to the platform you see that Olsen’s red jump suit was a bad omen. Kirk and Sulu proceed to do some Romulan ass kicking of their own, with Sulu using his trusty folding katana sword. It turns out they were too late, the Romulans launch their ‘red matter’ weapon into the hole they drilled and when Chekov warns Spock Vulcan only has "minutes" before it is turned into a black hole, he puts Yelchin in command and beams down to Vulcan to save his parents and the Vulcan Council. Meanwhile Kirk and Sulu fall off the platform and need a beam up before they hit the ground and so Yelchin runs to the transporter room because only he can figure out how to beam them back through all the interference.


Kirk, Sulu (& Olsen the red shirt) to the rescue

Scene 4 (shown 3rd) – Kirk meets Scotty (and another Spock)
The scene shown third appears to take place at some unknown time after the Romulan attack on Vulcan. Kirk and Spock still don’t get along and Spock has jettisoned Kirk onto a frozen planet, where he has met the older Spock (Leonard Nimoy). The scene starts with Kirk entering some kind of lab or workshop where he and Spock meet Montgomery Scotty (Simon Pegg) and his pint-sized alien friend. Scotty thinks they are there to resupply him and he starts complaining about the food and how long he has been stationed at this outpost after his failed attempt to transport Admiral Archer’s ‘prize beagle’ (Kirk notes that he knows the dog and asks how it is, Scotty says he will tell him when it shows up again). They tell Scotty they are actually there to get him to beam Kirk back to the Enterprise using his trans warp beaming technology, which he can only do once Spock gives him his own formula from the future. Spock advises Kirk that he must not reveal his existence to his younger self and that Kirk must get control of the Enterprise from his younger self (he also tells him how to get under younger Spock’s skin so he can be relieved of command). Once ready they prepare for beam out and Kirk notes to Spock that traveling through time and changing history is cheating, Spock notes that he learned it from an old friend and gives him the Vulcan salute. Believe me, regardless of where you sit on the fan spectrum, you will well up when Spock says “live long and prosper.”


Scotty makes a big entrance
(no images from the Spock/Scotty scene in trailer, but this appears to be from the scene that follows – Scotty is wearing same ‘frozen planet’ outfit)

IMPRESSIONS
Below are my impressions broken into different categories. It is important to note that this is based on just 20 minutes of a 120 minute movie. So concerns can be alleviated once the whole picture is seen.

Story & script
With only 20% of the film shown, it is impossible to know what the full story of this film is, but you do get the general impression that this film is very much an origin story, and that Kirk is very much the character that is the central core. This film truly is Kirk Begins (with a good amount of Spock Begins as well). So in that sense the heart of the story are the arcs that these characters go through, as we learn how they become the heroes of Star Trek. That being said, the crisis with the Romulan threat is certainly big and we see that this film has major ‘save the world’ stakes written all over it, as a Star Trek film should. There wasn’t enough footage to get a sense of the theme of the movie, but at moments, such as Pike’s speech to Kirk in the bar, you feel the hope and optimism that is what Star Trek is all about.

Like all of their work, Orci and Kurtzman’s script seems very tight and very complicated. Although much of what was shown was action-oriented, the character moments seen in the bar in Iowa between Pike and Kirk as well as the scene between older Spock and Kirk, were both powerful and reveal very real emotion, and yet were totally true to what Star Trek is all about…the family that is this crew. One thing that is a bit surprising was the amount of humor shown, much of which is delivered perfectly by Pegg, but at times the humor slipped into slapstick, like Kirk accidentally grabbing Uhura’s chest during the bar fight (which was pretty funny) or his Mickey Mouse sized hands due to a drug side effect (which seemed silly and out of place during the Vulcan emergency). Being that this is an Orci/Kurtzman script you also get lots of quick references, like the nod to ‘Riverside Iowa’ (the city Roddenberry deemed as the home of James T. Kirk).

There is a bit of a conceit in this film that borders on a bit of a contrivance.  It seems like they wanted to do an origin story like the Star Wars Prequels, but didn’t want it to take three movies to get everyone into their TOS positions. In order to get the whole gang together, there seems to be some very rapid promoting going on. Uhura is the only one who can be at comms, Kirk is the only one who can be first officer, Scotty arrives in the nick of time, and McCoy is made chief medical officer because the first one got killed. Of course this kind of thing seems to be a Trek tradition. This is reminiscent of past Trek films where the only ship that could handle the emergency is always the Enterprise.

In the end it is clear that Orci and Kurtzman understand Trek and its core audience well (which tends to be a bit older), and at the same time they understand modern (and younger) audiences well, and they are trying their hardest to cater to both. This works for the most part, but at times it may only work for one or the other. 

Characters & actors

James T. Kirk: Chris Pine
Going into the preview, the thing I was most concerned about was the portrayal of Kirk. With all the talk about bringing a little Star Wars into Trek, I was concerned that Kirk would be turned into Han Solo. Nothing is wrong with Solo. Harrison Ford and George Lucas created one of the coolest characters in popular culture and the heart of the original Star Wars trilogy. But Kirk is not Solo. Kirk is not a reluctant hero and he is not a rogue. Now to be sure, this film does start off with Kirk being a bit of jerk, but from the four scenes shown, it is clear that Kirk goes through an arc. The out-of-control (and a bit uncouth) Kirk in the bar is not the determined and thoughtful Kirk you see with elder Spock on the frozen planet. And when Sulu (someone Kirk just met) falls off the drilling platform miles above Vulcan, Kirk does not hesitate, he just jumps after him. If that were Solo (unless it were Chewie), you know that he would jump, but he would give some kind of quip like "I didn’t buy into this" before he went. Kirk’s fast action is the kind of selfless heroism that defines Captain Kirk, the man who would do anything for his ship and his crew. And the key to making this all work is the outstanding portrayal of Kirk by Chris Pine. His much lauded character work to date (in films like Smokin Aces) is put to good use as he creates very real versions of these different stages of Kirk’s growth. You buy into him as the character of James T. Kirk. Pine finds the best of Kirk that was embodied by William Shatner, and yet he never once slips into a parody of Shatnerism.


Pine helps Kirk earn the chair

Mr Spock(s): Zachary Quinto & Leonard Nimoy
Quinto has Spock down in his look and mannerisms, including the eyebrow raise (which shot up when Pike made Kirk first officer). It is clear this he has studied under the great Leonard Nimoy. Yet in the two scenes that were shown, we don’t see a lot of Spock being logical. We know Kirk and Spock as having a bond best defined by Spock’s Star Trek II utterance "I am, and always shall be, your friend" which we get a notion of in this new movie when elder Spock talks to young Kirk about his "old friend" and addresses the Kirk as "Jim." But like many great relationships in the movies, this film sets up Kirk and younger Spock as adversaries to start. So in the few scenes we catch of Spock, he is clearly not happy about Kirk and so we saw a lot of Quinto’s Spock struggling to balance his two halves and to keep his cool. You can see a bit of Sylar (his Heroes villain) in his portrayal. And when he was shown in command watching his home planet getting obliterated by Nero, this struggle for emotional control was apparent. I only wish we got to see more of Spock’s journey as we did with Kirk. For now it is clear that they got the Spock struggling with (and losing) his emotional control down, and I can only hope that we also see his arc towards the more logical Spock we know and love. 

As for Leonard Nimoy, what can be said? After almost two decades he stepped back into the role without missing a step. Yet it is also clear that we are seeing a Spock even later in his life. Nimoy brings us a Spock that has come to an even greater peace with his two halves and, while still remaining eminently logical, clearly has an affection for his friends (and the worlds he is trying to save).  


Quinto’s Spock is working on that logic thing

Capt. Christopher Pike: Bruce Greenwood
Greenwood’s Captain Pike in the new Star Trek movie is one of unexpected highlights of the night. Of course it is no surprise that the veteran actor delivers a strong performance as a leader, what is surprising is the importance of the role in the film (or at least in the parts scene in the clips). This is no cameo. Pike is both the consummate take-charge commander and at the same time a compassionate father figure. Bob Orci once told me in an interview that captains in this movie would not fall into the trap of past movie captains like Styles (ST: III) or Harriman (Generations). Pike is in no way a weak foil set up for the audience to be begging for Kirk to get the big chair. Greenwood’s Pike exudes the confidence and fast decision-making that is the model of what we hope is the future of Captain Kirk, but when he puts Spock in command and makes Kirk first officer the audience will be thinking ‘oh god no, Kirk is barely out of the Academy and Spock is barely keeping his s–t together.’ Pike will be leaving some big shoes to fill, which only raises the stakes even higher.


Greenwood’s Pike gets a big ‘one beep’ for yes

Uhura: Zoe Saldana
Uhura was in two scenes, and in that time that we can see she is smart, sexy and sassy, just like she should be. And in the few bits that were shown, Uhura will clearly have more to do than just answering the space phone. Her chemistry with Kirk (they appear to know each other well by the time they get on the Enterprise) is great, and she is the key to helping convince Pike. While clearly an homage to Nichelle Nichols, Saldana’s portrayal of Uhura is more subtle and very convincing as a younger version of the Uhura we remember from The Original Series.    


Hailing frequencies are open to Saldana’s Uhura

Dr. Leonard McCoy: Karl Urban
We know Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy as irascible, sarcastic, Jim Kirk’s friend and confidant, and a bit of a needler for Mr. Spock — and that is exactly what you get in the new Star Trek movie. More than any other cast member in the film, Karl Urban seems to be channeling the original actor, but Urban as DeForest Kelley works because he has experience doing character roles (with different voices) and his love for the material is obvious. Maybe the only concern is that in the one scene we have of him actually performing medicine he seems to be struggling a bit to cure Kirk of the disease he gave him to sneak him on board using the "I can bring a patient" ruse. This is played for comic relief, but hopefully we see Bones doing some heroic life saving elsewhere in the film. 


Urban channels Kelley

Montgomery ‘Scotty’ Scott: Simon Pegg
Simon Pegg has made it clear that he is playing the role of Scotty from the script and not going to imitate James Doohan’s portrayal and that is very much in evidence. Pegg makes the role totally his own and the script clearly calls for him to carry much of the comic load, as he did in Abrams’ Mission: Impossible: III (whic was written by Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams). Pegg was only seen in one scene and it was being played for laughs and it works. There was just a hint of Scotty as the genius engineer, and so hopefully in the rest of the movie we see him begin to earn that reputation as a miracle worker.      


Pegg plays Scotty for laughs

Hikaru Sulu: John Cho
Besides seeing the back of his head at the helm, Sulu was only seen at the preview in the attack on Vulcan scene.  Cho was not kidding when he said Sulu was a ‘badass’ in this movie. Sulu (who, in another one of Orci & Kurtzman’s continuity callouts, tells Kirk he has an expertise in fencing ) really raises the action bar in his fight scene. In fact, it is actually Sulu (and his cool Katana) who has to save Kirk, who didn’t have a weapon to fight off his Romulan. Cho shows that mix of confidence with a bit of whimsy that we expect from Sulu, with maybe a bit more ferocity than we are used to.       


Cho’s Sulu goes from helm to hero

Pavel Chekov: Anton Yelchin
Anton Yelchin’s Chekov is introduced in the scene where Kirk is warning Pike about the Romulans. We find him at his console with the computer not responding to him due to his accent, and I got to say, I am with the computer on this one. Yelchin is a talented actor, as can be seen in films like Alpha Dog. And the role as written, fits the character perfectly as he is a young and shy seeming officer, but also enthusiastic and good at his job (all of which are portrayed as he goes running through the corridors yelling "I know how to do that" as he heads to the transporter room to save Kirk and Sulu from being turned into jelly on the surface of Vulcan). Yelchin does a great job with all of that, but he sure is laying on the Russian accent thick. This film is not supposed to be going into parody (and I know he is from a Russian family), but it was a bit much. In talking to others outside the theater after the event I found people were split, with some thinking he was cute and others agreeing they needed to dial back on the "Wessels" knob.        


Yelchin’s Chekov is wery wery Russian

Nero: Eric Bana
Nero was only seen during the attack on Vulcan, and only for a few brief moments so it is impossible to get a full sense of the character. However he does appear different than your typical Star Trek villain. Bana’s Nero seems to be much less bombastic and larger than life, he just seems quietly, cold, calculating, and ruthless as he and his crew methodically destroy an entire planet. Much of this is probably the result of Bana not coming from the same kind of theatrical background as Trek guest villain actors like Christopher Plummer (ST:VI – Chang). I haven’t seen enough to make a call, but even though Bana has a background in comic acting, his Nero is as real as a heart attack.      


Nothing funny about Bana’s Nero

Production

Sets – Enterprise
Although much of the talk of the film is about the ‘iBridge’ that is just one facet of the Enterprise. The interiors of the Enterprise in this film make the ship seem bigger than ever seen since TMP and one thing that is different for Trek is the variety of different looks. Sickbay is much less bright and seems much more like a modern medical facility. The ‘realism’ and industrial aspects go up even higher as you go into the transporter room, the workspace where Kirk finds Uhura and the area outside the shuttle bays. Unlike the past on Trek where there is pretty much a uniform design aesthetic to the ships, this Enterprise is more like a ship where the bridge deck is a gleaming first class, and as you get deeper into the ship the more industrial it gets until it is all metal and pipes and ducts and valves with a periodic LCD screen. I am no Canonista and open to change, but I found the variance a bit jarring. It was hard to imagine it was all the same ship. Each individual set was well done for the most part. I like the bridge in general, although I wish it were less busy and had a few less flashing lights. Transporter room was seen briefly and looked more like what we are used to in the TOS movie era. Sickbay was good. But some parts of the ship were clearly shot on an industrial location which worked for me sometimes and other times just looks like you are in a factory with a few sci-fi add-ons.

Sets – other
The rest of the sets and locations were excellent and provided a very realized world of the 23rd century. The Bar in Iowa had just enough sci-fi gizmos added in to make it futuristic without making it seem too Star Wars cantina. The shipyard where Kirk boards the shuttle was also shot on location somewhere, but here the industrial look mixed with some futuristic items worked perfectly. Probably the most interesting set was Nero’s bridge which was only seen a few times, but was unlike typical Star Trek bridges. There was no real sense of what was what and it almost seemed cobbled together with spare parts, but that all added to the menace. You could see that Abrams wanted the ship to be another ‘mysterious monster’ both inside and out.


This is just the high class part of the Enterprise

Wardrobe, make-up and creature effects
One of the areas this film goes into new territory is in terms of costumes. Again they seem to be finding the right mix of realistic and futuristic. What is also good to see is the variety. In just the four scenes shown, we see Kirk in four different outfits (five if you count the gold shirt seen in the trailer). I love the new uniforms, which are a great call back to the originals. The only thing seen so far I am not a big fan of is the sky diving suits, which seem a bit too ‘typical sc-fi.

As for for the aliens, there was one seen in the bar that appears to have a CGI face and it was flawless both in terms of the effects as well as how the character was shot )sitting between Kirk and Uhura and getting an earful from them both). There was another alien in Scotties workshop (his small sized sidekick) who was in full make-up and yet you believed he really was a scaly skinned little alien buddy. The days of slapping some latex on a forehead and calling it a day are over.

The Effects & The Enterprise & Nero’s Ship
You can already see from the trailer, this film is in a whole new category when it comes to the special effects, especially in terms of past Star Trek. The work that ILM has done is breathtaking and you really believe what you are seeing.

As for the new Enterprise, I like it. I didn’t speak about it last week when the first image came out because I thought it was a bad angle. We have a new poll going on the Enterprise and comparing it to the one done before the trailer came out shows a big jump in those who like or ‘love’ the ship. You are going to like it even more once you see it in action.

Nero’s ship is really hard to call a ship. The size and power make it as intimidating as the Doomsday Machine (in "Doomsday Machine") and the organic feel of the swirling mass of chains (and who knows what  else is going on) really make it more of a space monster than a ship. No surprise coming from the man behind Lost and Cloverfield


Now that is more like the E I love


The Kelvin didn’t stand a chance against Nero’s monster

Direction
Back in June I noted in my article 10 Things M:I:III can teach us about the Star Trek movie that JJ Abrams is going to be bringing a new modern sensibility to Trek, and boy was that evident. Like that film, the pacing is frenetic with lots of quick cuts and of course the lots of hand-held camera work. The scene on the drilling rig felt a lot like the bridge scene in M:I:III. Unlike that film, Abrams seems to have opened up lens more to give a sense of scale available on the big screen, whereas in M:I:III he sometimes seemed to be forgetting he had the wide canvas and fell back to his TV roots. This style, along with the effects, show where Abrams has brought some of that Star Wars feel to Star Trek, but the poignant moments in the bar and in Scotty’s lab also show that this film still pays attention to the characters. Some fans may not like this new style, but I think that Trek in the last decade (especially on TV) has been caught in a time warp and not kept up with modern film making.


Abrams amps up the action

Music
One thing that all Trek fans seem to agree on is that Michael Giacchino is the right man for the job as Star Trek’s new composer, and you will not be disappointed.

 

Bottom line

This Star Trek movie is going to be unlike any before. That notion is exciting and a bit terrifying for the true believers. As fans we are familiar with hundreds of hours of a saga spanning centuries and the notion of a team team coming in with a new look and sensibility is not always easy to accept. From seeing this footage it is clear that this is made by people who respect Star Trek, but they are also clearly trying to make a new kind of Star Trek that appeals to a larger community. This means that at one moment you wont believe your eyes when you see an amazing shot of the Enterprise in action, then you may have a tear in your eyes as you see the new young Kirk grow into the role of Captain and interact with the original Spock, and yet in the the next minute you may roll your eyes at some over the top cartoonish gag or overtly sexy moment.

For me it is always about the characters and (mostly) that is working and working well. I am a little concerned about Quinto’s Spock, but it could be that I just haven’t seen enough. I will have to live with the over-the top accent with Chekov. But all in all, I am very excited to welcome this cast into my Trek family, especially Chris Pine’s new Kirk.

I have no doubt that many Trek fans are having trouble embracing the amount of change this film represents for the franchise. But I would argue that Star Trek has no choice but to change. For the last decade, the franchise has been in decline. Creatively it has been running out of steam (with some notable bright spots along the way), and the popularity has been in decline. It is surprising that just a few years after the financial failures of Nemesis and Enterprise, Paramount took the risk of making a big Trek film, and even more surprising that it didn’t go down the full reboot road like the Batman and Bond franchises. Abrams and his team are trying to thread the needle of creating a film that works for the Trek fans and works for a general audience. From what I have seen, it appears that they may have pulled it off.

 

The C word

You will note that the above analysis does not mention the word ‘canon’, a word that for some fans is paramount (no pun intended). These scenes do not seem to be in a film that ‘slots in’ right before The Original Series. Romulans, Pike, the ship, Iowa construction, etc….there are what appear to be ‘canon violations’ all over the place. However we are assured that “all will be revealed” and that there are canon reasons for everything. We know from previous reports that the film involves Nero going back in time from the post Star Trek Nemesis era and destroying the USS Kelvin a generation before the events seen in this four clips. That alone can explain the differences, and until we see the whole thing, we do not know how this plays out. Until then, it is hard to say what does and does not violate canon, and so it isn’t worth obsessing over.

 

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November 20, 2008 10:12 pm

Perhaps the orbital skydiving is the most currently feasible element of this movie. There are actual plans, I believe, to achieve it.

SPB
November 20, 2008 10:14 pm

But does Zoe Saldana SING…?

“Beyond Antares!”

SPB
November 20, 2008 10:16 pm

But does Anton Yelchin SCREAM…?

“Aiii-YEEEEEEE!!!”

November 20, 2008 10:18 pm

oh. so THAT is what AP was doing at Paramount.

sorry bout that sir. thank you, drive thru.

=h=

SPB
November 20, 2008 10:21 pm

“The days of slapping some latex on a forehead and calling it a day are over.”

HALLELUJAH!!!

November 20, 2008 10:30 pm

What still confuses me is . . . how is Kirk still just a cadet, while the rest of the crew (including lil’ Chekov) are already commissioned officers?

November 20, 2008 10:31 pm

I was fascinated by the comment that as one goes deeper into the Enterprise, one goes, metaphorically, from first class to steerage, or, at any rate, the boiler room. This is an interesting development and perhaps rationalization can be brought forth from the world of real ships, where the bridge or the combat command center is often highly technological even as the engine room remains aethestically unchanged from fifty or sixty years ago.

I would be interested in seeing consistency within decks, and among adjacent levels. For example, the captain’s ready room (if there is one) should be one befitting the officer’s status; the senior officers’ conference room should be relatively refined. Below decks, the junior officers’ quarters should be significantly less impressive, and by the same token, the engineering sections of the ship — having no business being other than purely utilitarian — should indeed show the pipes and other conduits that doubtless run through the ship. One recalls that, consistent with this idea, there were many such fittings seen aboard the TOS Enterprise along its many corridors. And one should certainly not forget the exposed nature of the interior of the Jeffries tubes.

The starship design ethic of the 23d Century is still a long way from the “luxoliner” ethos of the Enterprise-D, and perhaps that’s exactly the way it should be.

Can't Wait for Labor Day 2009
November 20, 2008 10:32 pm

Great Article Anthony. Can not agree with you anymore of Star Trek being about its Characters.

Aragorn189
November 20, 2008 10:33 pm

Sounds promising.
Those will probably be the scenes released in April to promote the movie as well. Hope they do arrive. I can read descriptions all day, but to actually see those scenes unfold is a totally different experience. Can’t wait for May.

T2
November 20, 2008 10:34 pm

what more is there to do between now and may….think we’ll get another trailer before then? great review.

Jorg Sacul
November 20, 2008 10:35 pm

but…but… Vulcan blown up? That’s going to put a kink in Spock’s pon farr homecoming down the road!

Ok, ok… I just have one question remaining: Is it May 2009 yet?

RuFFeD_UP
November 20, 2008 10:35 pm

Hmm sounds interesting I’ll have to lower my level of trolling on IMDB lol.

Yspano
November 20, 2008 10:36 pm

Hi Anthony! From your description and impressions of the Enterprise interiors, it sounds as if it had become the Titanic.

AJ
November 20, 2008 10:38 pm

Wow. “a little concerned about Quinto’s Spock?”

Anything worse than Nimoy in “The Cage or “WNMHGB” in hindsight?

New Horizon
November 20, 2008 10:39 pm

The great thing about these previews is that they have time to actually go back and tweak some things that are a bit over the top….such as the comical hands, or Yelchin’s over exaggerated accent…I’m sure he could re-record some of his more obvious lines and dial them back.

I kind of had a hunch that Yelchin wasn’t really getting the character during an interview with him that I read. He just seemed to grasp a very surface understanding of Chekov.

Hopefully the film makers will see fit to fix some of these things to make the film even stronger than it already sounds.

Gene
November 20, 2008 10:40 pm

I wonder is Scott Bakula makes an appearance as Admiral Archer or the Admiral his son? Will the beagles name be Porthos?

Rick Berman's left nut
November 20, 2008 10:41 pm

Very impressive so far, I hope this movie makes a lot of moolah so more are made.

November 20, 2008 10:46 pm

13, let us hope that it does not suffer the Titanic’s fate!

On Pavel Chekov, a bit of a sidelight: How interesting it is that accents survive into the 23d Century! Clearly, a hundred years later, Picard was to speak with an upper-crust English accent (inexplicably, since his family is from France). Yet, besides Chekov’s patois, the Southern drawl (McCoy) and the East Indian accent (commander of the “rigging a solar sail” ship in STVI), to the contrary, survived, at least through Kirk’s time. What does it say about the 24th Century that fewer accents seem visible then than a mere hundred years prior?

For example, why, precisely, wouldn’t Riker speak with a Sarah Palinesque accent? (On second thoughts ….)

November 20, 2008 10:47 pm

While I admire your optimism, your faith’s misplaced.

Abrams & Co. mean well, but, it’s clear they perceive what is quintessential Trek about as clearly as a fork perceives the taste of food.

Films that succeed the most, are often those who try the least to be something they’re not.

It’s A Trek. Just not THE Trek.

There’s a difference.

They’ve failed to note that.

November 20, 2008 10:48 pm

Anthony, did they show the production stills in the lobby?
The shots from that factory kind of did not work for me either, because it does not really suit how the ship looks from the outside now… or as the guy from Wired put it, “The engineering department looks like the guts of a World War II battleship after being colorized by Ikea.”

I am hesitant to believe that Vulcan’s destruction is going to be an event that is not corrected.

I think there are many plot points from this movie that we are missing.

THE WOMEN!!

=h=

November 20, 2008 10:52 pm

13-

Funny you should mention that…and I’m not talking about the movie, either.

New Horizon
November 20, 2008 10:54 pm

19. Anthony Brooks Fellows –

You’ve seen the footage that Anthony P has seen then? I think I’ll take Anthony P’s word, until I see it myself. If he says it works…it works.

November 20, 2008 10:56 pm

Before we get into the question of canonicity overmuch, I wanted to note how positively rococo the speculation about where the Enterprise was built can be. There are those who say, for example, that the Enterprise could have been build in a city called San Francisco located elsewhere than in California, but as I recall, California was specifically mentioned in canon, and there is no San Francisco in California other than THE San Francisco, which looks nothing like rural Iowa (or Bakersfield, for that matter).

For those who don’t believe that canonicity can be preserved in this new Star Trek, perhaps it’s just as well, since Chris Pine does not look very much like William Shatner.

Michael Scott
November 20, 2008 10:59 pm

I’m feeling more reassured everyday and can’t wait until may!

November 20, 2008 11:00 pm

I really think Nero’s time traveling is just throwing a big wrench into things to show us that we don’t need everything exactly the way we were told in order to have a compelling story.

This is just looking better and better.

The VFX are out of this world. No pun intended. Thank you ILM and thank you Linux!

Brett Campbell
November 20, 2008 11:01 pm
Why is it that if Quinto performs something like one of Nimoy’s eye-brow raises, or another Spock idiosyncrasy created by the original actor, it is considered to be true to character or a “Spockism,” but if Pine were to utilize something like a pause as he considered what to say next or how to say it, or gestured in a way that was idiomatic or characteristic of an aspect of Shatner’s interpretation of the character (and thus in my opinion creating some continuity with the character we know of TOS and the films with that cast), we are told we are not getting a “Kirkism” but a “Shaterism?” Also, it is apparently just fine that Urban essentially channels DeForest Kelley’s performance. Why then would it be so terrible if Pine gave at least something of a nod to the original interpretation of Kirk’s characteristics and established mannerisms without these being lambasted as caricature or parody? I am starting to feel that there is too much prejudice against Shatner and his icon-creating performances on the part of the film-makers (in an earlier interview Pine is quoted as saying he did not go to “Shatnerville”). and on the part of some of the personnel contributing to this website. Why is this the case, when so much of what we admire and love about Kirk’s character was every bit as much breathed into life by Shatner’s performance as those we admire about Spock and McCoy were done so by these other two fine… Read more »
james
November 20, 2008 11:02 pm

Beagles live for 100 years? Holy crap

I am also surprised that AP questions Quinto as Spock.

This site is where I learned of Heroes, Sylar. etc. I had never seen the show until June of this year. I torrented all season 1 & 2 episodes and me and hitch1996 watched them over the summer, in anticipation of season 3.

However, I would have never even bothered without the high referencial from this site. And it did not disappoint.

So now, AP is questioning Sylar as Spock? wow. Leonard Nimoy signed off on this… good enough for me.

THE WOMEN!!

=h=

Catie
November 20, 2008 11:03 pm

Thank so much for the review!
I was most excited by the description of Nimoy as Spock. I can’s wait to see this. I also agree that the characters are by far the most important aspect.
:-)

November 20, 2008 11:07 pm

#27. Brett, well said. It’s so ironic that Shatner created this cultural icon that many people love, but then vilify almost everything that Shatner did to make Kirk, Kirk.

Brett Campbell
November 20, 2008 11:11 pm

31 – Cato, thank you. I’m glad that there are others who feel the same way. I get tired of Shatner and his interpretation always getting slammed. I’m glad that there are other fans grateful for the actor’s accomplishments in creating this extraordinary character.

vincent gregg
November 20, 2008 11:12 pm

Anthony,

I could not agree more in your interpertation of the clips. (ive seen them in NY and I thank you for posting my report)

I am also concerned about the Quinto scenes. I didnt like his reaction to Pike’s naming Kirk as first officer. His response was supposed to be logical and without emotion but was not delivered in an emotionless, logical mannor (about the human sense of humor escaping him). We need to see more. The jury is out.

Pine really does well. Totally blown away by his confident portrayal. Im glad you saw the character arc as I did. He’s really good in the older Spock scene. Very mature and very Kirk. When he saves Sulu, he doesnt hesitate. True hero, True Kirk. They lucked out with Pine.

I’m in the Anton Yelchin is great club. Chekov was always a very “stereotype” charactor. The fact that he lays it on thick and was very “kid” like at times was enjoyable.

I think we will definately see the knowledgeable Dr. McCoy. Urban is McCoy and the best part of Kirk’s reaction to the medicine was when McCoy saw his hands enlarge and yells, “My God Man!”

The Enterprise is awesome. Hands down. I just wish they would release a clip to the fans that more accurately represents the ship. The lighting and different angles shows the ship to be the goods.

Most importantly, Im glad you have seen the clips!!!!!!!!!!

November 20, 2008 11:17 pm

27, I, too, believe that Shatner’s performance of Kirk is sometimes given too little respect, although in this I speak of no one in particular.

As to why some people ridicule Shatner’s mannerisms, I’m afraid I must say that, for this, I fault the same kind of sneering condescension on the part of too much of popular culture toward Trek as a whole. For too much of the media, it’s “cool” to look down on Trekkies for their supposed indulgence in the unreal, and, by extension, it’s therefore “cool” to diss Shatner. Why the same kind of contempt isn’t rained down on those who not only play, but may place bets on fantasy football or other such sports, for example, is, at first glance, obscure.

But, then again, even the schlockiest kind of comedian needs someone to whom they can feel superior, justifiably or not.

iyellkhan!
November 20, 2008 11:18 pm

so do we know where precisely the enterprise is constructed? I had just gotten use to the idea of it being built on Earth, but Im not sure if I can stand Iowa. Lest the shipyards also function as a caucus site, in which case I will laugh and then cry.

CarlG
November 20, 2008 11:19 pm

Oh noes! Poor Porthos! Scotty had better save that puppy. Or else.

Is it May yet?!?!

tholianhata
November 20, 2008 11:19 pm

Great review, Anthony. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Not as good as seeing it myself, but almost.

27: The way Pine is sitting in the pic above looks very much like a Shatner-ism to me.

TrekMadeMeWonder
November 20, 2008 11:21 pm

The stock was about to split. Now I read this about the E’s interiors.

I was reallly orried about this. C’mon. Did they think nobody would notice?
And really, how much did they save doing this? The E’s interiors should all have the same basic characteristics. Sticking an LCD in betweeen a few pipes is so lacking in inpsiration.

Anyhow, thanks for the warning on that one Anthony. Sounds like those detais took you right out of it. It would for me too. I don’t get it. Why make Trek for such big money, make it epic and all, and then scrimp on the REAL set details, or add anoying porrly conceived comic relief?

PLEASE SOMEONE DO SOME RESHOOTS OR ADD SOME CGI MAKEUP TO THE SETS FAST!!!

My G*d Nero. What have you done?

November 20, 2008 11:24 pm

19. Anthony Brooks Fellows – November 20, 2008
“It’s A Trek. Just not THE Trek.”

Well DUH.. THE Trek is a 3 season series that ran on TV in the late 60’s. EVERYTHING afterwards is A Trek. Even TWOK was A Trek and not THE Trek.

You are more than welcome to live in the past and view every episode on DVD and not embrace this new Trek… but I will do both. Thank you very much. Anthony’s review of the footage was great.. I look forward to seeing this movie in May.

Brett Campbell
November 20, 2008 11:24 pm

34- Good points. I believe that a lot of late night talk show hosts, ofr example, are dismayed by the current administration’s coming to a close for the mine of opening-monologue one-liners and other materials it has yielded them for the past eight years.

And you’re right: it is a large part of human nature for many people to feel better about themselves only by denigrating others.

Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar
November 20, 2008 11:26 pm

So not a ringing all out endorsement but that much of what you saw works. I can live with that. I do hope they keep the Michael Bay-esque low brow humor to a minimum though. There is tasteful humor like the ironic stuff in Lost, or the Apatow humor and then there is the 2nd grader dumb Michael Bay-esque and Rob Schneider type humor. I know they are trying to appeal to the little kids and MTV myspace gen but I don’t need dumb funny like peeing Transformers and Mickey Mouse hands Kirk. Also sounds like we are going to have an all out comic relief Scotty with Pegg. Not really happy about that I thought they might have him play it a bit straighter but it sounds like were getting wacky Simon Pegg Scotty.

So all in all looks very promising but I think all of us are going to have to deal with some stuff aimed at pre teen pocket books. I can deal with that as a small price to pay to get Kirk, Spock and my Enterprise back .

Brett Campbell
November 20, 2008 11:28 pm

38 – Anthony, thank you for clarifying, and my comments were not aimed against you personally, but against what I have seen to be typical journalism and media-related comments about the film and the inevitable comparisons to its TOS sources.

I still, however, feel that one or two nods to Shatner’s performance on the part of Pine and the filmmaker’s would create some character continuity and thus enhance believability.

AP- Will we like this, based on what you saw?

I can ask the OrcSter, but I think its gonna be a bit biased………..

THE WOMEN!!

=h=

Mark
November 20, 2008 11:29 pm

Anthony – above, re Greenwood/Pike, you say,

“Pike is in no way a weak foil set up for the audience to be begging for Kirk to get the big chair. Greenwood’s Pike excludes the confidence and fast decision-making that is the model of what we hope is the future of Captain Kirk”

Did you perhaps mean exudes rather than excludes? That would make more sense to me.

And #27, you are right on the nose. We don’t want a Shatner impersonation, but some of the Shatnerisms ARE part of the Kirk character.

Mark
November 20, 2008 11:30 pm

I love how people who haven’t seen any of the movie keep saying that people who have seen parts of the movie and really liked or loved it that they are wrong!

Amazing!

TrekMadeMeWonder
November 20, 2008 11:30 pm

On 1 – 10 scale this looks like it wil be a 6. Maybe 7.

Jeff D
November 20, 2008 11:31 pm

Re 27:

I’ve also often wondered the same thing… Just because Shatner may have brought some of the same mannerisms into almost every part he played, doesn’t mean it’s not a part of the character we know as Kirk.

November 20, 2008 11:31 pm

I….was not….invited?

KHAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!!

Jon S.
November 20, 2008 11:33 pm

Reaction to the ‘swelled hands’ gag seems to be mostly negative. Hopefully Mr. Abrams will take the hint and cut that scene…

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