Frakes Talks TNG, Beard and Future of Riker + Librarian Wrap Pics w/ Frakes, Sirtis & Dorn November 21, 2008
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Star Trek The Next Generation’s Jonathan Frakes will be appearing at the Boston SuperMegaFest this weekend and in a new interview to promote the event he talked about various things Trek from his auditions, to his beard, to his future as Riker. We also have pics of Frakes and some TNG co-stars from the wrap party from Frakes’ third Librarian TV movie.
The Bearded one speaks
excerpts from the WorcesterTelegram & Gazette
Frakes on his his level of Trekdom
I was not much of a sci-fi fan. I had certainly heard of ‘Star Trek’ but I didn’t know anything about the place it had in the popular culture. I know (Michael) Dorn (who played Lt. Commander Worf) was a big trekkie, and Wil Wheaton, (who played Wesley Crusher), obviously. But, for the rest of us, it was a gig. As it became successful, we realized that we really stepped into something, and it was a privilege to be part of the legacy and the family.
…on auditioning for TNG:
There were a lot of auditions for the show. I auditioned seven times. Patrick (Stewart who played Captain Jean-Luc Picard), I think, auditioned both with and without a wig. I’ve often said getting the job was harder than doing the job.
…on the beard (introduced in Season 2)
The beard was my idea. After, it was approved by Gene (Roddenberry) And, of course, in the great tradition of producers it became their idea.
….
Between the Klingon and the android and the bald English captain and the beautiful empath and the red-headed doctor and black guy with this little visor, you had to chisel out your own little territory yourself,” Frakes said.
…and when asked if he would play Riker again, he said:
I just need to be asked.
Librarian & Leverage wrap party
Frakes who directed many Trek episodes and two Trek feature films continues to direct, recently completing the third of the Librarian TV movie series for TNT. The Librarian: Curse of the Judas Chalice, starring Noah Wyle airs Dec. 7 on TNT. Frakes has also directed two episodes of Leverage, a modern day Insurance guy turned Robin Hood show, for TNT.
On Wednesday TNT held a wrap part for both the Librarian and Leverage, and Frakes was there along with a couple of his TNG co-stars.
Frakes
Marina Sirtis (Troi)
Michael Dorn (Worf)
Dorn and Sirtis
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Hmm… a Titan movie….
I can see this.
First? Can’t wait for the new Librarian movie…
nice to see Dorn and Marina again :) Frakes is class all the way. He should produce a Star Trek Animated show!
Just call him. The TNG cast minus Picard and Data would work for me. Stwart and Spiner had their chances with 4 Trek movies. Those were never ensemble films, sadly. Now give this man a chance already…
Boy I really miss these characters…..
Riker has a bear?!
And what’s with Troi’s face? Did she get a vacuum hose stuck on her nose?
They just need to find a *good* script for a new TNG-based movie… and I admit it would be very nice to have at least a proper send off for TNG.
I always liked Frakes. He was always genuine and was never a Trek fan until teh show. I saw the Making of First Contact and he was a great Director. Would be great to do some Star Trek: Titan TV movies in the same vein as the Stargate movies.
I wonder if some up and coming TV producer turned movie director some 20 years from now will recast TNG folks and NON-Reboot the franchise.
I miss them too.
Something is amiss with Marina. She usually is a very beautiful person, but something is definately off..
It’s funny how I like Jonathan Frakes more than I liked his character, Will Riker. Not that I didn’t like Riker, but Frakes just seems like a really cool guy. He’s probably a great dad.
By the way, Frakes and Dorn are really nice guys. They’re a few of the real deal in Hollywood.
Yeah it is sad, that the only two people always being “over Trek” or “not feeling it anymore” were Spiner an Stewart. The rest of the TNG cast always loved coming back, although being the ones left out of the major storylines, resembling walking talking props, rather than the capable bunch of people they are. Given the chance, and a script to show that off would’ve shown that.
“Star Trek The Next Generation’s Jonathan Frakes will be appearing at the Boston SuperMegaFest this weekend and in a new interview to promote the event he talked about various things Trek from his auditions, to his bear to his future as Riker.”
Yeah, I’m seing nothing here at all about his pet bear.
I remember being like 6 or 7 years old and meeting Michael Dorn when he was doing ChiPs. I had an Uncle who was with the CHP and was an extra. Took me on set and I met the cast. Michael Dorn was a class guy.
10. mntrekfan –
“Something is amiss with Marina. She usually is a very beautiful person, but something is definately off..”
Hm, let’s see. It’s been twenty years (twenty!) since TNG debuted. She lives in southern California (along with the other B’aku and S’ona). Hm, I wonder why she doesn’t look the same…
Man, Sirtis is getting old.
:(
I remember reading that he wanted a beard in the second season because he didn’t like the anology to him looking like Potsy Webber from Happy Days in his first season as Riker. I always liked his Riker character though.
1. That One Guy –
“Hmm… a Titan movie….
I can see this.”
Ugh. Let it go already! These guys are too old — real people their age in the 24th (or 25th) century wouldn’t look as old as the actors who portrayed them look now! Did you see Frakes and Sirtis in the ENT finale? Yikes! Those spandex uniforms are unforgiving! I’m forty years old myself and I don’t wanna look at that!
Yeah, aging sucks. Until you compare it to the alternative. Then it doesn’t look quite so bad!
;-)
18. Richard Daystrom –
“I remember reading that he wanted a beard in the second season because he didn’t like the anology to him looking like Potsy Webber from Happy Days in his first season as Riker. I always liked his Riker character though.”
That’s funny, Potsy Webber (Anson Williams) directed some Trek episodes later. And Ralph Malph was on VOY! And Lenny from Laverne & Shirley was on VOY, too! And Squiggy was on TNG as a Ferengi!! And even Mork wanted to be on TNG but it never happened…
Think he could be in the new movie in the Post Nemesis era?? He did go and visit the stage once….
A Titan TV show would be great and if this film is a success then they should seriously consider it.
Paramount would be stupid not to do this, the guy is crying out to be called, but then again, so was Shatner…
Anthony (and staff), it’s the “Worcester” Telegram & Gazette. Sorry, that typo just stood out to me since I’m from Massachusetts. Thanks for the posting.
I could totally see a Next Gen animated series, either focused on the USS Titan, or the Enterprise-E under Riker’s command, since Patrick Stewart would never do it. (They might entice him back for the occasional guest star role, though.)
However, Frakes, Sirtis and Dorn would totally do it and even Spiner might be willing to do it, since makeup and the “aging” of the character wouldn’t be an issue for him anymore. But no B-9… please!
I’d totally watch it.
No more animated Trek, please. This ain’t Star Wars.
Howabout spending some of that “Librarian” dough on made for sci-fi Titan T-V- movies? Riker-Troi, Ambassador Worf, etc. surely have some miles left on them when the burden of bringing in 100 million is taken off of them.
As fate has it this reminds me of the mid 90’s when all the classic cast was aging(now they are honored icons) going around waiting for the call(that never came) to get the band together for another adventure. Maybe its time they started righting their autobiographies.
Any body catch Dorn on cold case recently? Classy guy. I saw him at a con when TNG was still on, he showed up in a flight suit! Having left his F-86 Sabrejet on the runway at San Diego Airport! I got my autograph and asked him what he thought about his recently released Playmates action figure to which he grimaced at the thought of his grimacing figure, he basically seemed dissapointed his figure was in a perpetual growl, the later figures had him with a more dignified expression.
Time is the fire in which we burn…
# 21
Yeah, I don’t remember where I read that, but know I read it somewhere. I admit that my first impression of him was that it was Potsy. And no intended offense to the actor who played Potsy, I just can’t remember his name. Happy Days was a Paramount Product.
#25:
Why should Star Wars corner the market on sci-fi animation? Besides, ST:TAS was extremely well written, even though it’s crudely animated by today’s standards.
WB has shown how to do comic-book animation right with Batman… why shouldn’t Star Trek benefit from a culture that’s much more open to various forms of storytelling in the animation medium?
Open your mind.
27. Richard Daystrom – November 21, 2008
“# 21
Yeah, I don’t remember where I read that, but know I read it somewhere. I admit that my first impression of him was that it was Potsy. And no intended offense to the actor who played Potsy, I just can’t remember his name. Happy Days was a Paramount Product.”
Anson Williams played Potsy. He also directed four episodes of Voyager and two of DS9.
Jonathan Frakes is still a hottie after all these years! *MUAH!* :-)
I loved TNG…
it was my first Trek…
To me TNG was the 7 seasons and Generations and First Contact….too bad they focused so much on Picard and Data and ignored pretty much everyone else.
They could have made some great movies on par with the TOS crew.
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28. Marvin the Martian – November 21, 2008
“#25:
Why should Star Wars corner the market on sci-fi animation? Besides, ST:TAS was extremely well written, even though it’s crudely animated by today’s standards.
WB has shown how to do comic-book animation right with Batman… why shouldn’t Star Trek benefit from a culture that’s much more open to various forms of storytelling in the animation medium?
Open your mind.”
Didn’t mean to come across as some old fart. I love animation (would’ve gone into it if there had been an existing field in the mid-80s when I started college but there wasn’t). I dunno why I’m against the idea, really. I guess I’d rather see some live action Trek and I’m tired of all the old-timers runnin’-and-huffin’-and-puffin’ their way through movies (think STV). *Maybe* Titan would work as an animated series. I dunno. You (and others here) are right, Frakes, Sirtis, Dorn and others would likely be up for some Trek voice work. Hell, Stewart does voice work regularly on American Dad. But an animated series? I’m just not sure. I think about that travesty “Beowulf” and just shudder. That was some pretty repulsive shite — animation-wise.
Found a nice interview with Frakes talking about a (then possible) 11th TNG movie
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=30Coklq_pA0
Enjoy!
I think if CBS was smart they would make a Titan movie direct to DVD if that worked a trilogy would be perfect, kind of like what they are doing with Stargate. If that worked they have a whole Universe they could do that with, and different time periods as well. Let’s make some noise and get it done.
TOS TNG and DS9 are the three best Trek series ever. Frakes is awesome.
Riker was a great Trek character. I loved his sense of humor and leadership skills. And Jonathon Frakes has been nothing but respectful and genuine when he reflects about his time on TNG.
I don’t know about some of you, but I enjoy his directing, too. I thought Clockstoppers was a fun movie.
A Captain-Riker-on-the-Titan TV/film/DVD project is the TNG fan equivilent of the Captain-Sulu-on-the-Excelsior movement. Neither one was ever gonna happen. Which is kind of a shame. At best I tolerate TNG but I would like to see Frakes put the suit on again.
“Riker, so Stolid, you weren’t like that before the beard!”
The best ever
Ewwww! Marina looks tragic!
33 – LOL! I must have seen that a million times, and I still laugh at it.
Also, if you click on the photos of Michael Dorn and Dorn with Marina Sirtis, you end up going to a large-size view of the Spock Theatrical Teaser poster for the new movie. Is this an easter-egg, or a big oops?
God bless!
Jonathan Frakes definitley is a nice man in person. I used to work on the Paramount lot back in the 90’s when they were filming Start Trek: First Contact. There was a fund raising auction that contained various Trek items and when the cast members were asked if they would autograph any of them, he was the first in line.
I also vividly remember a time early one morning when I had a meeting with a man named Gary Hasson of Lightspeed Fine Arts concerning a new print that his company was working on. As I was leaving the room, I wasn’t paying attention to where I was going and almost ran smack into the person that was entering the room. I apologized and as I looked up, I realized that it was Jonathan that I had almost bowled over in my haste, making me feel even more uncomfortable! (It’s never good for one’s job to take down the talent!) Instead of getting angry or bitchy as some actors are known to be, he simply put his hand on my shoulder and said “It’s okay, I haven’t had my coffee yet either.” and smiled. He’s definitely a class act all the way and I really hope that he does get a chance to be the main star in a future Trek film.
Thank you 33 lol
my headphone’s volume was really loud rofl
Marina Sirtis is gorgeous, as always! :)
I know it’s probably not going to happen, but TITAN straight to DVD movies? That’d be incredible!
if harrison ford could do a action/adventure/sci fi well
the TNG cast could do the same, harrison and karen did a comeback indy. why not the TNG cast with Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis do a comeback Trek movie?
i think marina looks beautiful.
Nice hyperlink! Clicking on Michael and Michael/Marina gets you Spock’s teaser poster.
Anthony, are you trying to tell us something?!!
How ’bout a Titan TV mini-series? Come on, Paramount, if some dorky ST geek from podunk Oregon can think of these things, certainly the Paramount people could come up with something.
When the economy takes a dive, entertainment business usually goes up (or at least doesn’t go down too badly) as people turn even more to entertainment during hard times. So I’d think a Titan mini-series could make some money…
marina is still super hot, after all these years…
it was great to her and john on the series finale of enterprise, though i wish it were under better circumstance.
They still look great! And it would be awesome to give them a better send-off of some sort! They deserve it!!!
Yeah she looks great, always has.
I have always liked the idea of Frakes in a new Trek series or TV Movies with a new crew. He and Sirtis would be fine anchors to kick off a revitalized Trek TV franchise.
What with the possible alteration of the Star Trek timeline in the new movie, canon would not get in the way of his commanding Enterprise D or E.
Frakes is looking pretty good, same with Dorn. There’s something a bit “off” about Sirtis, but she looks as good as she usually does!
Marina still looks good, but…
…she’s gotten a little TOO skinny over the years (I always admired her full figure from back in the day); she’s obviously dyeing her hair; and her face has gotten a little, um… tight, shall we say.
All in all, still pretty damned good. She’d look better if she’d allow a little gray back into her hair.
I met Michael Dorn last Friday at a screening of Undiscovered Country at the School of Television Arts and Sciences in N. Hollywood last Friday (14th). It was for the Air Force and since Michael Dorn had flown with the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds (and he was Col. Worf) he showed up, I got a pic. with him, I told him that I had been watching him since I was little and he said ‘I dont know if that is a good thing or not!’ and he and I started laughing, because it meant that he was old or something, which he is not, of all of the TNG people, he has aged the best, but, he is a class act, and a nice guy, and I will be hanging up the pic. of him and me on the wall. Also, there was Nick Meyer, another nice guy, he stood there and talked to me for 10 min. and took a pic. with me and signed my Annotated Sherlock Holmes book, which he wrote. I say do a TNG movie written by Nick Meyer!
Gotta admit I got a little tired of the
“…what the hell is going on here?” -type lines written for Riker, but he’s difficult to ignore. He seems like a really nice guy.
The aging is simple to deal with.
Set a Titan 3-part mini-series for TV about 10 years *after* Nemesis.
“Prime” Spock has mostly reset the universe correctly, but some small details are different… but after 120 years or so, the universe gets itself “back” on track.
The Titan comes in for a refit, and is transferred to Captain Mark Madden for that process. And… Fleet Captain Riker, his first officer Deanna assume command of the Enterprise-E, as J-L Picard has finally retired. B-9 now calls himself Data (as Data’s programming has ‘taken over’) and is holding the Lucasian chair. Or something like that: with no excuses then to need Stewart or Spiner. Worf can have any usual excuse to turn up. Perhaps Riker’s first mission as captain of the E-E is to help the Klingons repulse the wave of Kelvan invasion from Andromeda that was always expected to follow. Doesn’t really matter for a TV mini series.
Heck, even if they’d do some sort of Doctor Whovianesque “Christmas Specials” with Frakes, Sirtis and Worf in character on the Titan or E-E, that would do fine. Just no singing!!
that’s funny, I was just thinking that Marina is still quite the looker
Marina does look a bit odd. I had my picture taken with her at the grand opening of ST: The Experience, and she was certainly a babe back then.
And I don’t want to throw cold water on the Dorn is a class act thing, but I ran into him at a convention in Pasadena some years ago. We both ended up at one of the doors to the Convention Center at the same time. He was saying goodbye to some of his friends. I was respectful and didn’t say a word until they were done saying goodbye.
Then I paid him a compliment and he completely ignored me. Just walked away without a word. He could have said thanks, or something. I wasn’t being rude, didn’t pester him for an autograph or anything – just expected some kind of acknowledgment (especially after having held the door for him the whole time.) I know everyone has their bad days, or whatever, but it was a convention, after all, and it just seemed odd.
I like Frakes but don’t really care for Riker.
We’ve had almost 200 hours of TNG- enough already!
God I would love to see TNG back. Since Ive been seeing all of these posts from TOS fans about how cold TNG was Im glad to see on this all of us that love TNG, many of us far more than we could ever love TOS. It was so much more of a family, and you felt it. For me TOS never did that, not until the movies and only some of those touched on it. I think that Spiner needs to get over the whole “Im too old to play Data” attitude and someone needs to take off with it. Honestly, TNG is such a better way to bring in non-trekkies to the franchise. Every one of them I talk to says the same thing, “I never liked the first one, but the one with the bald guy…and Data, yeah, I used to watch that sometimes” I hope it happens, it deserves it so much more than the already overdone TOS.
Sirtis’ work done on the face is kinda janky but the bod is slamming. Oh and Michael Dorn looks great too…
As I’ve said before Frakes was a jerk when he was here in Mpls.-St. Paul for a convention a number of years ago. Didn’t greet (or even look up) at the fans as we got his autograph. On the other hand, I was on the Paramount lot a few years later for a VIP tour and he waved at us and smiled warmly.
Holy cow! She’s hotter than ever!
Make a direct-to-DVD TITAN movie!
Frakes is cool
Marina should start to eat something
Michael is great
TNG is my Trek for sure. I love Riker, I love Troi, I adore Worf and really knew his heart was in Star Trek when he also moved on to DS9 — the reason I started watching DS9 in fact, after getting bored out of my wits by the early overdose of religion and politics in that show.
I want to see them all back. I’d give my left nut.
Seeing those actors I grew up watching getting old is starting to make me feel old myself…
I miss the 80’s-90’s!
Marina has cancer, for those who do not know and think she is a bit off.
Had it for a while and prognosis not great.
NO MORE NEXT GEN FILMS OR TELEVISION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
A Titan-Movie would be nice. I like the TNG-Crew, but there is no way to get them all in the Abrams-Universe!
@Antony
Don’t forget your “The Cage” Remastered-Review.
Frakes seems like one of the classier reps of the Trek cast repertoire. Never heard any trash talk, obviously multi-talented, seems like a genuinely nice guy…..kinda rare in the ego-driven acting business…..heck, Dorn and Sirtis aren’t far behind.
Did not know Sirtis was ill….very sad!
I’d love to see a Titan direct to DVD movie. Come on CBS, if it works for Stargate, it’ll work for the TNG cast!
Oh, and Sirtis still looks fantastic!
#70, “Marina has cancer…” Curious, do you know if this been generally reported? I did a Google search and only found one such reference, a gossip web site claiming she had beaten breast cancer 10 years ago….
Sadly, there will never be another TNG film for either the big screen, TV or DVD. And a Titan film I’d put in the ‘highly unlikely’ category. Perhaps a small glimmer of hope for the latter if the new Trek film takes off, opening up a new vein of fans. But I don’t see CBS/Paramount doing it. Big expenditure with relatively little shot at a big enough payoff.
>God I would love to see TNG back….for many of us TNG was Trek
Honestly, I lose sight of the fact that there’s a whole “generation” of folks who think of TNG as Trek, and that’s rather disappointing. Mind you, I don’t dislike TNG, watched every episode during its original run, but it wasn’t classic Trek.
In TNG’s Enterprise, Roddenberry’s notion of a conflict-free utopian human world was mutated into one where there wasn’t just an absence of conflict, but an absence of human individuality and flaw. Everyone was the same. And that wasn’t Trek; Trek was about the flawed human community doing what it could with what it had to explore the universe.
TNG was, at worst, a Berman mutation of an *unchecked* Roddenberry vision. It turned the flawed human beings that ran the TOS Enterprise into these homogenized ushers and bellboys of the TNG’s Enterprise-Marriott, where everyone knew too much Trek doublespeak and Wesley was saving the ship on a weekly basis. Ugh. Picard was great, but he couldn’t make a decision without six staff meetings and a week’s notice. It was Pulaski that finally brought some TOS spice back into the crew, and they killed her off – actually, I think Roddenberry called for her ouster, and that was a shame.
Recall that the first year or two of TNG was nothing more than almost completely rehashed TOS scripts, and at times it was awful. It wasn’t until TNG had the Borg, and created some of its own substance with episodes like “Yesterday’s Enterprise,” or “Lessons” before it truly came into its own. Despite the fact Trek was Roddenberry’s creation, sometimes it was hamstrung by Rodenberry’s limitations – and never forget that Roddenberry himself was never regarded as a great writer.
Again, don’t take this as a “hate” on TNG; TNG was a nice and enjoyable series, and it was a great extension to the Trek mythos, but it was a sterile, antiseptic substitute for its TOS progentior.
Saw the Shat on youtube talking abou the new Enterprise design.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoaFITdfQ4
Wow! Marina looks great!!! so do the rest, incidentally.
Do Titan as a series, but do it animated, a la Gargoyles or one of the better Batman series. (Not computerized crap like Clone Wars, please.)
Right now, the franchise is re-emerging and I think it would be great to have more… as long as they don’t step on each other.
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That’s just half my script, i already sent it off to Paramount & Brent Spiner it would bring Data back ! and send the TNG crew off like they should have been.. This movie takes place a few years after Nemesis. that crappy movie sucked.
I can’t understand the obsession of some people with animated shows. I think that’s something for kids. I want life action shows or nothing! TAS was absolute crap, please CBS, never produce something like that again. Clone Wars is for kids too, but the CG-starships look far better than the animated ones.
#83
Agreed, I was eight or nine years old when TAS came out and was shocked at the poor stories and animation. Paramount was clearly trying to make a buck and continuing the tradition of Star Trek on a shoestring budget.
I don’t condemn it completely only becuase in its own cheesey way it helped keep the Star Trek franchise alive…
#82 oop
Was it really necessary to paste it here? A link to it would have been sufficient…
81, I have read what you have written and I would be delighted to send this up the chain to my superiors. Your script is a breath of fresh air in an industry that is content to rest on it’s….
…okay, I can’t keep going with this. I didn’t actually read it. I’m just a guy who’s stunned that someone would paste something so large and spammy. :D
It always struck me that they could get the actors together to do voices for TAS, but couldn’t get them together for a new series until nearly a decade later. I know that the voice parts were typically filmed separately, creating different logistics than a TV series or movie, but it sure seemed a waste of creative energy to put it into animation rather than a live-action production.
And if Star Wars hadn’t come along, we’d probably have gotten a new series in Phase II rather than TMP in 1979…
By now, don’t people realize that unsolicited scripts and stories are typically returned by the studios unopened back to the sender???
Geez, can’t believe someone posted that.
SOMEONE KINDLY DELETE THAT GARBAGE ABOVE.
Also, count me among those who’d enjoy seeing a Titan series/mini-series/whatever.
I have to say, even if you don’t think Marina looks good, there’s certainly a kinder way of putting it? Let’s see how good you look when you’re 53.
#90-I Agree—she looks fantastic!
Riker was my favorite TNG character and I’d LOVE to see him reprise his role in either film or TV. I know it’s doubtful, though…
#89 Agreed, on both counts!! Although I don’t know if it should BE garbage…it should be HAULING GARBAGE!! Mwahahahahhaaaaaa!!!
…no, wait, that doesn’t work…
You know, I saw Marina in Vegas this past summer at the Con and I thought that she was still just absolutely stunning in person.
That photo does little justice to her.
#77
Very well said. I liked TNG just fine, but – for me, anyways – it pales in comparison to the original series.
Rather than some new Star Trek TV show, howabout just bringing back TNG to TV? Shorter seasons might be needed with the cast being in their 50s for the most part, but mix in some new characters, put Riker in charge of the Enterprise E (or F, if you want a new design for your show) and give Frakes elements of creative control…
Sirtis is quite the cougar.
I think Marina Sirtis looks fine, oo la la….
I always loved the TNG cast. I felt they had great chemistry, once the series got its legs. You could feel how comfortable they all were with each other, and they felt right at home “aboard the Enterprise.”
In fact, I liked every cast of every Trek. Didn’t always care for the stories, but the casts were always great, IMO.
I also think Jonathan Frakes is terrific, and I think he’s a good director.
As for future TNG… I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, since I liked the people and the show, I’d love to see some kind of on-going TNG… You could even take some people from TNG, DS9, and VOY, put them together on a ship (doesn’t have to be the Titan), and, as many others have suggested, do a kind of Stargate mini-series, or B5-type tv movie, or even a direct-to-dvd movie, it would certainly be a good thing, and there are more options today than any other time. On the other hand, since Paramount is unlikely to revive any other Treks, I wouldn’t want to get my hopes up.
I think we have to be patient and see how the new film does. If it does well and Paramount realizes there is still a huge hunger for Star Trek, perhaps they will be more open to more offerings…
Finally #81 OOP – unless you have some sort of track record, an agent or entertainment attorney, and some connections, I’m sorry to say your script is headed for the circular file. But keep at it, do your homework, and maybe one of these days your name will be on the big screen under “written by.”
(I will say it always impressed me how Paramount had an “open door” policy toward unsolicited scripts during the TNG/DS9/VOY period. No one ever did that before…. probably never see it again…)
TNG was a great TV show. But I don’t want to see any more TNG films. They were, on average, much worse than their TOS counterparts, in my opinion. And, apart from Spiner and Stewart, I don’t think that the cast had much acting ability. Oh, and the cast is far, far too old now to be making feature films. Let’s give the new film a chance. I hope that it is faithful to Star Trek. We know it’s going to look great.
82. oop -
Please don’t paste your spec scripts as comments. Not cool, man. Seriously not cool.
@99..Oh, and the cast is far, far too old now to be making feature films
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Oh My God… what kind of drek is this? Is not discrimination based on age a bit STUPID, LUDDITE, and IMMATURE? What, if it’s not 90210 or Buffy, the actors are doddering idiots? Maybe you meant to be posting on the iCarly board?
Who died and made you “Hollywood god” who decides who is too old or young enough to be an actor in a movie?
Sorry to go off here, everyone else, but opinions like this are no worse than calling someone a (insert offensive epithet as applicable here)under the guise of opinion, and think it’s “ok”.
101. Jorg Sacul
“Oh My God… what kind of drek is this? Is not discrimination based on age a bit STUPID, LUDDITE, and IMMATURE? What, if it’s not 90210 or Buffy, the actors are doddering idiots? Maybe you meant to be posting on the iCarly board?
Who died and made you “Hollywood god” who decides who is too old or young enough to be an actor in a movie? ”
Wow. Dude, relax. I happen to agree that the TNG cast is getting too old (for me, at least) to carry an action/adventure show. My reason is they look too old for people their age in the 24th or 25th century given the life-extention postulated on the show. I also found it difficult to watch (and suspend disbelief) the last couple TOS-based movies given the cast’s age at the time.
“…opinions like this are no worse than calling someone a (insert offensive epithet as applicable here)under the guise of opinion, and think it’s “ok”.”
I think you’re way, way off the mark on that assertion. 99. Alec’s opinion is a valid one and I don’t see anything near what you’re reading into it. I watched TNG from the moment it aired and know it forward and back but for me it doesn’t resonate as much anymore as it did then. That’s my opinion. It’s really not neccessary for you explode like that.
I can see it now. Riker (now played by Ryan Gosling) is a young bad boy, who’s father died when he was young. Thank goodness for Captain Picard (now played by Brad Pitt and no longer European or bald) comes along to be his father figure and reunite him with his high school sweetheart, Troi (now played by Scarlett Johansson) and make him Captain of the Enterprise – despite the fact that he has not served on any other ships.
Much action ensues because its ‘all about character’ and not the established story or character history and everything that came before is lame and ‘talky.’
Sorry, but reading this article about Frakes just reminded me how fed up this week I’ve gotten reading over and over about how Star Trek is ‘uncool’ or that there is something wrong with it and it needs fixing. Clearly the franchise needed new energy after the Berman/Braga era, but completely throwing out everything that’s come before seems like a very sad situation.
Star Trek single handedly rewrote the business model for TV syndication – not once but twice. At its zenith, TNG was the #1 show on television in the very coveted Male demos (#2 was Monday Night Football) TOS and TNG were not limited hits – they were huge successes in their own right and watched by lots of people that wouldn’t necessarily consider themselves Trekkers.
Ignoring Kirk and Spock’s history and the established Trek story is very concerning. And make no mistake, hit or miss, the new movie puts a fork in any continuation of what we’ve seen before. If its a hit, then this new ‘timeline’ and story structure becomes the de-facto. And if it fails, everyone will just say Trek is dead.
Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll ever see Captain Riker in anything again.
- My favourite show…i watched the show even when i was in the army…..when watching on tv was almost forbidden in that times…
A Titan tv series would be a logical next step if the film is a hit.
After many years tptb finally understood that the best way to bring people back to Star Trek was to have it’s most iconic characters return as the center of the ST universe.
The next step would be to use the second most popular cast to base a series around. I am convinced that if Frakes, Sirtis and a few of the other TNG regulars were to return in a series that would feature fresh faces there would be an audience for it.
They could also slip Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner in now and again.
Kirk + Spock = film franchise
Riker + Tiatan = tv series
Now all we need is a movie that will put the TNG era to a close! I don’t know about everyone else, but I want to see a brand new era of Star Trek ushered in! Perhaps an era ~70 years after TNG.
Holy cow. what’s up with Marina? She used to be hot… looks like the whole age thing. She’s around 50 or 60 now, right?
To the people trashing Mirina because she doesn’t look like she did 20 years ago – lighten up. We all get older. You will probably not look as good as you do now in 20 years either. Do you want people ridiculing you because your not “hot” anymore?
Mirina looks great regardless of her age. I’m sure most of you don’t speak of your mother/wife/girlfriend this way.
Show a little decency.
Krik,
Agreed.
I agree on a TITAN film — and I don’t know why the powers-that-be don’t see this; it doesn’t have to be a theatrical release. What about a movie event, either as syndication or on one of the networks? It could be a launch pad for a “several times a year” series, or even something like BSG, which seems to be done in half- or third- season runs.
Regardless, it would bring a lot of the TNG/DS9/VOY Universe elements together again.
And what 108 said about Ms Sirtis.
Marina Sirtis will always look HOT in my eyes as she bears a striking resemblance to an old girlfriend from many years ago.
108. Well said Krik.
I saw Marina in Glasgow a few months ago, and she’s still got it.
As far as a Titan movie, I think if the Abrams movie is successful, the chances of a TNG era staright to DVD, or TOV movie is likely to be improved, regardless of any continuity issues the new movie may cause. If Abram’s movie is a hit, TPTB are going to be looking to start making money any way they can, and while that doesn’t guarantee they’ll revist the TNG era well, it certainly doesn’t rule it out either.
Marina Sirtis is looking HOT as usual!
Spiner has no excuse not to be part of future Trek, look at what Hollywood is capable of these days. I mean, look at the aging effects used in that new Brad Pitt film, anything is possible.
Not to mention we all know that Data embraced aging in “All Good Things”, a little creativity is all that’s needed.
However, with that being said, a TV-Movie/DVD of Titan wouldn’t need the entire TNG cast, new actors would be welcomed.
No Titan film please. Enough of TNG and the 24th century. Its been 15 years of that crap. I’d love to see them back in another film, but not for a while. We have really only scratched the surface with TOS where as TNG has been milked to death. Paramount needs to establish this new direction first before another TNG movie should be considered. If they ever do it, they should NEVER give it back to Berman and give it to JJ. I will admit though, that it would be refreshing to see TNG from a perspective other than Bermans unimaginative vision.
115. asc1138 –
“I will admit though, that it would be refreshing to see TNG from a perspective other than Bermans unimaginative vision.”
Now that I will agree with. If and when we ever revisit the 24th or 25th century it should be with an approach similar to JJ’s with TOS. A total asthetic and technologic rethinking. TNG and the other shows it spawned relied too heavily on psuedo-scientific technobabble. It became extremely annoying. It is possible to write a tight futuristic drama without padding it out with this ridiculous tech-speak. In fact, in the far future Trek postulates I’d wager so much technobabble would’nt even be neccessary. I’m automatically reminded of episodes like “Hollow Man” which started out as a character study then climaxed with a totally incomprehensible technobabble-resolved dilemma. VOY was particularly guilty of playing the technobabble card. It was irritating. It was like watching a ‘high-stakes’ math exam.
If we revisit the TNG or post-TNG timeframe again I’d like to see some eyebrow-raising differences. A holographic bridge — no 2-D viewscreen anymore. More alien technologies incorporated in Starfleet ships and devices. A humanity more obviously intellectually evolved/influenced by the Vulcans — something more clinical and analytical. In short, a humanity with much more in common with the Borg than we’ve been shown. The Borg made great enemies in large part because people back around the late 80s/early 90s were still somewhat wary of where technology could take us. I find the Borg a lot less sinister now than I did then (my wife wishes she was Borg!). Just as TOS betrayed an innate fear of encroaching technology (witness how many times Kirk pulled the plug on computers running various societies, etc) TNG, in the persona of the Borg, extended this throughline. Personally I don’t think it rings as true any longer. We’ve all given a lot of thought to the ethical implications of cloning and artificial intelligence, stem cell research and genetic manipulation. I think it’s time to embrace the positive changes humanity can achieve actually using the knowledge we’ve begun to amass.
JJ would be a natural for this — his shows already blur the lines between what Trek traditionally saw as ‘bad technology’ and ‘good technology’. And this makes for compelling storytelling. TNG always got it’s preachiest when it landed on a planet whose populace it could judge quickly, make a speech that shamed everyone (often those in charge) and leave (think of an episode like “The Hunted” or “The High Ground”). Real life isn’t that simple. Imagine the US or UN just dropping into Zimbabwe or Somalia today and making such simple, shallow pronoucements. They’d just open fire! JJ is quite adept at dealing with complications. TOS attempted this once with the Vietnam analogy episode “A Private Little War”. To me it’s one of the more effective stories — nothing is resolved by episode’s end, as in real life.
One of my biggest (in retrospect) gripes about TNG lie in it’s inherent self-importance and superiority. Yes, Picard made some great speeches but that type of pontificating is really analogous to the Spanish Catholic explorers who told all the ’savages’ they met that they needed to adopt European (i.e. ‘better’) ways or face annhilation. Sorry folks, it’s a big flaw in the TNG-era Starfleet. I spent a summer on the Navajo Reservation in New Mexico and it had a profound affect on me. Seeing a race of people reduced to such small numbers, whose own culture was slipping from its’ own grasp in exchange for American fastfood-and-Cosby-Show junk culture was really life-changing for me. I don’t relish the notion of a Starfleet whose underlying raison d’etre is to spread it’s own gospel of superiority across the cosmos.
Marina is still hot…
117. VOODOO –
“Marina is still hot…”
Lol! Thanks for deflating my over-analytical ruminations!
I still think th should do an anthology show for Trek. One that jumps around to other series/actors. You could have a Titan adventure one week, and a Excelsior episode the next. All you would need is a few different bridge sets, or one that could be changed easily depending which crew was using it for that episode. A dream, I am sure, but think of the different Treks you could get out of something like that:
Riker / Tuvok / Troi : Titan episodes
Sulu / Checkov: Excelcior episodes
Enterprise / Archer episodes
Voyager on Earth
Klingon Empire episode
Romulan Empire episode
TOS era episodes
Q episodes
Just to ramble on further to no one in particular, in my mind TNG worked well because we (the US) weren’t involved in any global conflicts during it’s run. We were prosperous and feeling pretty sure of our apparent superiority as the planet’s number one super-power. Picard and company could hopscotch from planet to planet telling their respective inhabitants how wrong they were and feel pretty big about their (our)apparent awesomeness. I rarely got this from TOS. Yes, Kirk regularly stuck a stick into the anthill but we always knew he was doing it without Starfleet or the UFP’s prior approval. It was always at his own discretion – something he could use because he was out on the frontier working without a net. There was no frontier in TNG. Only a few rarely-visited neighborhoods between various facist states and empires (Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians) — much like late 20th century earth. More like an ideolgical landgrab than a true frontier. I’ll refer you to the Star Trek Star Charts — by TNG the Federation is squeezed in on almost every side by aggressor empires.
That’s one of the biggest reasons I’m looking forward to the new movie and not looking back toward the TNG era (yes, I know that’s confusing). I want to visit that (final) frontier — “before it’s gone” as Lt. John Dunbar said in ‘Dances With Wolves’. I guess I like the journey to utopia better than actually living in utopia.
BRING IT ALL BACK !!!! The TNG Team !! The VOYAGER Team !! The DEEP SPACE 9 Team !! The ENTERPRISE Team !! SULU and CHEKOV !!!
Why split up the Next Generation Crew ?! Picard is Great !! Riker is Great !! Guinan and Jordi are Great !! Worf is Great !!
Why not follow their careers Post-TNG ?! Riker was always under-utilized in TNG !! I would love to follow Jordi or Guinan after the d-missions !!
The Titan as an animated series is pathetic ! It’s really anal and I see it as last gasp effort !!
Jonathan Frakes has shown he is a capable Director and has a few fans of his films here !!
Yes , all the TNG crew are old now !! And all the other crews are showing their age too !! So , do we compare them to Abrams “Eugenic X1″ ?! Of course not !! Like wine , age improves an actor !! Unless you’re a mainstream hollywood producer who eventually ascends to Futures500 – the 2D afterlife !!! So in comparison , look at american drama to the british drama , where elder actors are still worthy among viewership – Dr Who ?!
Why are these halfwitted so-called trekkies who can’t stand any past series , who are full of hate for the gold , commenting here ?!!
Marina is Beautiful !! If I didn’t know about her husband , I would like to blow all my bank bucks on her !! I would love her when she is 70 !! And promised included in that , will be a lifetime supply of banana boat oil !!!!
Izbot: #120
History seems so much more pleasant in retrospect.
Take a closer look at the era
- We were involved in the first gulf war during TNG’s initial run.
-The -Iran-Contra affair was going on.
- Wall Street crashed 20% in a single day on what is now called Black Monday.
- terrorists blew up a plane over Scotland in response to President Regan’s bombing of Libya.
- Cold war was still going on “Mr Gorbacheve, tear down this wall”
- Exxon Valdez spill
- S+L crisis
- Two recessions
- Race riots in L.A.
- World Trade Center bombed for the first time
- Rwanda and Sarajevo
And this is just off the top of my head. I’m sure there were many other events that if your gave me ten minutes I could prove to you that we were not always “Prosperous and feeling superior as the planets number one super-power” during TNG’s run.
122. VOODOO –
Maybe, maybe. Many others remember it this way:
- Libya? Over in minutes thanks to Reagan’s show of force — just like the Enterprise-D firing on a Pakled vessel
- Iraq War 1? Scary for a few weeks then over thanks to Bush’s show of force — we’ll call it a two-part Cardassian episode
- Cold War? It ended with “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall” during season 2 — only a year after we’d been given a Klingon (read: communist) bridge officer on the Enterprise
- All those other problems? Each solved and wrapped up in as much time as a TNG episode.
Sure, all those things were the first signs things were changing with regards to the U.S.’ standing in the world arena, but to many Americans we still felt unshakable. I’m not being naive here, I’m merely reflecting what I witnessed during those years. They weren’t perfect times but it was still easy to feel safely wrapped up in that big wool sweater that was the American flag. Maybe not so much any more.
I’ll admit this is revealing a lot about my own personal journey, sure. It was easy for me to just accept that things were fine and dandy during those days. TNG even helped reinforce that illusion to a certain degree. And yeah, TNG also helped me become more socially concious and more aware of all the unacceptable crap going on around the world. I’ll also admit you’ve got a real point there — not everyone remembers it the way I do (I totally blanked on the first Iraq War — that’s embarrassing and a bit shameful). Touche. Good argument.
Oh, those blue eyes! THey still get me after all these years!
#77 – if that was your impression of the show at the time, if you have any time on your hands you should go back and rewatch. My impression of the show couldn’t have been more different from yours.
Jorg Sacul, #101
I think that the TNG cast is now too old to make feature films and head the Star Trek franchise. You may disagree. That’s fine. We should, of course, respect each others opinions. But many of the TNG actors, especially Brent Spiner, happen to agree with me. I suppose that he too must be ageist. If not, perhaps the opinion is grounded upon something other than prejudice. We need fresh blood all-round: new actors, writers, producers, directors. It’s great that we have that now. But I do hope, no I pray, that the team respects Star Trek. I don’t want to find out that the Enterprise to Voyager period, which has a remarkably consistent chronology, all happened in an alternate time-line from the one in which Trek XI ends. And, whilst I liked the trailer, it looked like two parts Star Wars one part Bourne Ultimatum. It didn’t ‘feel’ much like a Trek film to me. I remain open-minded, however.
Turn some of those Titan books into movies, but with one fundamental change kill of Troi, what a boring character, nothing special to look at and sounds like a crow screeching
By ‘feature films’, I mean Star Trek feature films. These, of course, are very action orientated.
126 – I’m “sensing” you don’t like Troi. Yep, she was the “boringest” of a shipful of dull characters. IMNSHO. Imzadi. Imyawni.
VooDoo and Izbot —
Yeah.. Trek tends to reflect the current state of America, and really that’s when it’s at its allegorical best. I think that was one of ENT’s biggest failings.. to not take advantage of the craziness of the post-911 world. Where was a patriot act episode? Where was an anthrax episode? Where was a never-ending war episode? Where was an episode about how fast technology is changing? Where was a gay rights episode? They tried to address the war in season 3 and that one torture episode was quite good, but overall it didn’t go deep enough.
Animated Trek would Suck, this time. It almost sucked last time (even though I bought the dvd set) Please. Gimme a break.
I would be Very interested in a Titan series. I think Frakes is a class act.
…thinking about it more…killing off Troi would give Riker a nice hard edge….might make for a nice couple of seasons, given good writing. Think about it. And I’m essentially a TOS fan.
Too old? Hell, no.
If they couldn’t bring Captail Sulu/Excelsior show to be, I doubt they’ll be able to do a Riker/Titan show. Maybe they could do a fan made film…
Hmmm… Marina looked great in the Stasrfleet skirt and boots in the early episode of TNG. Too bad they lost that prop… I don’t recall any of the other Next Gen based babes with the skirt (?)…
#126 #128 MEATHEADS like it all ACTION !! Why don’t YOU go and watch STAR WARS instead !!! STAR TREK isn’t going to do it for the YAMS !!! IT has always been about the STAR TREKS INTELLECTUAL JOURNEY with a bit of ADVENTURE , not about the ALL ACTION TURN-ON !!
#129 I agree Booker , they are interesting ideas !! And it is a well known secret that adapting contemporary issues has always been a successful interpretation of attitude in science fiction genre .
134 Don’t call me a or anyone a meathead. There’s no need for it here. I appreciate the philosophic aspects of Trek, and have done so for many years. I love the action and adventure as well. I just agreed in tongue-in-cheek fashion with a previous post. I do believe that there are some less-than-interesting character in TNG, that’s all.
There’s some philosophic content to Star Wars as well — at least the first three films that I know. Not nearly as much as Trek — but some
But thanks for the antagonism and belligerence. Your intellectual journey serves you well.
I love TNG. But I do not want to see them back again. We gave them four movies and they did one good one. That is why there will never be another TNG film. I’m completely fine with that.
#135 Accept my apology , Brett – we are all feeling emotion of the heart about the changes to a loved long running Series . I am aware of the inner views of Star Wars . I was expressing my frustration generally by referring to another series . I myself have followed star trek for many years , and many of the older fans like myself are feeling anguish at the final fadeout of the Paramount Studio franchise . And I’m sure the new movie will attract a new generation , and I don’t even blame JJ Abrams . The old day is gone , but I feel Star Trek deserves more than just one last applause for a movie , but instead represented an ongoing thought process of arguments about the future .
137 – Darfyn, your apology is accepted, and thank you very much for it. Please accept mine in return for my own rancor. We Trek fans can definitely get heated at times. I have been ungentlemanly on this site myself — usually to feel remorse and apologize later on. Sorry if I came down to heavy on you.
My own pet peeves include Shatner- and TOS-bashing. I was six years old when TOS began its NBC run and for my formative years it was just one of the greatest things ever. In my life, it still is. It will always be for me what is simply called “Star Trek” — no bloody A, B, C or D, or TNG, DS9, etc.
Nevertheless, I have often been unfair when people think any of the spin-offs are superior to the original. It felt to me like preferring Beatlemania to the Beatles, and I could not understand how anyone could do so.
My biggest problem was that I felt TNG had made Trek boring and turned it into a soap opera. I have never been able to shake that opinion completely. But the fact of the matter is that is what it merely is — my opinion: a matter of personal taste. There are millions of TNG fans who would argue against me about these views feelings. And they are entitled to do so.
I too am very concerned about what consequences this new “TOS” film (in quotes by me, because it does not have the original cast — only the characters; I’m a purist) will have on my memories of my beloved original series. I am having a difficult time with the idea of other actors stepping into these iconic roles. But it is happening whether I am ready for it or not.
But I have to remember that name-calling or denigrating the opinions of those who will come to love this film or this cast better than the original (and there will be many, as much as I will find it difficult to believe or understand) will get me nowhere with them. In the spirit of Roddenberry’s vision, I have to remember at all times to be respectful in my disagreeing with them. Only then have I understood, embraced and practiced one of the most key messages of “Star Trek.”
I understand you’re feeling heated about this. I do myself — often. But at heart you also come across as a very decent person. Thank you for your apology. I am sorry that my post at #128 rubbed you the wrong way in the first place. IDIC.
Darfyn — also sorry about some of the typos in my message to you. I didn’t proofread carefully enough before posting.
Sorry if I seemed harsh, but I don’t accept “ageism” as a reason not to utilize these actors (characters).
I solidly refuse to agree that the Next Gen cast is too old. I’m not saying they need to do a Nemesis II and live in the past, but instead put it out 10 years into Riker’s command. Give us a story with the drama level of something like “Fail Safe”, a real intellectual (but with action, too) outing for an experienced Riker and crew. I guess if you’d have to label it, make it their own “Balance of Terror”, where Riker is put in a position where every move he makes has massive repercussions for the Federation and whomever they are in conflict with and he (and the crew) don’t get off with the tidy happy ending. I want a TNG movie that leaves you spent and relieved at the end, having been through the psychological/emotional wringer for 2 hours…but wanting to see it (and more) again.
Data? Picard? Crusher (either one)? no, they don’t need to be there. Maybe work in Worf, if it is salient to the story.
That’s the kind of TNG movie that I want to see.
I was about to say that Marina looks too thin–i always liked her fuller, curvier figure on TNG—and then i read the post that said recently she has been fighting cancer. It makes too much sense now. Chemo often results in loss of weight among other things. My prayers are with Marina for her complete recovery.
The TNG cast and crew are definitely not too old for another Star Trek movie, but let’s see how the new Star Trek movie does before calling for the TNG crew’s return. Brent Spiner would not be able to play Data or B4, however, without artful prosthetics, which would probably rule out his playing those characters altogether. (Possible work-around: Data’s deliberate “aging,” as in his gray-haired appearance in “All Good Things…”.)
If I had my druthers, the Star Trek movie would result in a series of movies based on TOS, while there would be a television miniseries based on TNG/DS9. The miniseries should probably be helmed by producers other than Rick Berman, et al.
Star Trek: Enterprise still has enough mileage in its crew to do a TV series some time in the next decade. I suspect, however, that it would have to be under different auspices.
Who am I leaving out? Ah yes, the Voyager crew. This is not to say that they do not deserve a return!
140. I like that idea, Jorg.
Alright Brett , Hi One ! Looking at the last few posts , are TNG getting passed it ?! Personally , I don’t think so either ! But I think it is ulterior forces such as the American Economy and the recent movie industry trend of cutbacks of production personel , that is the main prohibitive factoring , that effect actors and increasing difficulty in real steady work .
Well Paramount have chosen Abrams , whose own company has come up roses , with his other scifi series doing well in the ratings !
I do prefer my scifi slower ! I would be quite happy to watch Jean Luc at his desk , having his tea and checking the daily routine or using the desk com . And as well as , of course , some strategising or counselling . I would enjoy just seeing some discussion by him , with Riker or Troi , or some of the others !!
Based on things I’m seeing, I’m suspecting that the timeline change happened much earlier than we think it did, years earlier, altering not just the character’s history, but the technology development as well.
Which means it created a parallel universe.
There is no reason to try to blend old and new by this rationale. It means that when Nero goes back and alters history, he’s creating a new quantum reality. TOS stands as is, TAU (The Abram’s Universe) is a new entity, and what we knew is changed, just like “Yesterday’s Enterprise” was an altered reality for Star Trek: The Next Generation. Between that and “Parallels” there’s still no reason we can’t have our cake and eat it too.
And William Shatner is no fool to trash the new show, not when in an altered reality his Kirk could return to the big screen, and I do not blame him one bit.
By this same token, Star Trek: The Next Generation stands as is as well, and is not wiped out in any way. I see no reason not to make more TNG movies in their original continuity. I want to see stories on the Titan. In fact, I think it would make a fantastic new TV series. :)
Ken
Ken, the thing is…..if that’s the case…..then which one is the “ultimate” universe? If we are to embrace one “primary” universe, one that we see as an extension of our own world, is it TOS or TAU?
The answer to that, in itself, diminishes the alternate reality.
That’s what ruins this attempt for me….
Dorn & Sirtis look so different from their characters! I would probably walk past them in the street.
“Ken, the thing is…..if that’s the case…..then which one is the “ultimate” universe? If we are to embrace one “primary” universe, one that we see as an extension of our own world, is it TOS or TAU?
The answer to that, in itself, diminishes the alternate reality.
That’s what ruins this attempt for me….”
Harry, the beauty is, you can decide for yourself. Being a classic TOS fan, that’s the one I’ll stick with, even if I can see this universe of Abrams’ as akin to the Mirror Universe. Interesting, but not home.
Ken
Ken, I appreciate you taking the time to answer!
it would be great to see adventures of Riker leading the Titan-ic!
Scotty , I think a lot here feel the same ! I think there is some more room for TNG with a TITAN follow through . This is the dream of the trek vets for certain .
What the last few posts have been on is alternate realities , which have always been great detours from the main timeline . But too many is too many though .
yeah, too many is too many and time travel is a bit used. but there’s nothing wrong with a Riker-Titan trek, or even a Sulu-Excelsior while there is still time. Trek is about infinite possibilities. (but they should change those horrible uniforms. In the 23rd n 24th century I think they would have something a bit more comfortable and could evolve from teh picard maneuver).
they should have made this new flick a Riker as captain flick and maybe sulu included w/the excelsior with a new cast of young kids like what they are trying to do (not trade on names and pollute trek) and with the same director and all the cool effects and even Nimoy as Spock. Where’s the harm?
ok…sometime between the 5th and 6th seasons of TNG when all their contracts were up, rumors were flying ’round ’bout Patrick Stewart not returning. I saw Frakes in Nashville and instead of a question I told him….without in anyway being negative toward Mr Stewart…that whatever the outcome I (and others in fandom I had spoken with over the months when those rumors were out) wouldn’t mind the Enterprise being commanded by Riker. He responded with the old ‘cha-ching’ fist/arm movement and said “Yes! More support!”
And I say it now. I think “Star Trek: Titan” would make a heck ova new tv series. Say reflect the time period based on the passage of real time with his and Marina’s ages matching those of Riker and Troi, past the time they left Enterprise E. Heck, the Titan books have been best sellers.
Who knows.
I would love to see a Titan movie or series Frakes looks the best i have seen him in years.
Sirtis has hardly aged and Micheal Dorn to [just needs the ridges to stop teh Picard impersonation lol]
I could never understand the Troi and WOrf relationship in Series 7 and i was glad to see that story line quietly killed in the movies.
I really like Marina…she´s a beautiful woman, has a nice face…but nowadays…I don´t know…she´s getting old in a bad way…her body, her hair is a mess…awful…She lives in L.A …and she probably rich…so, I think she should do something about her look. She´s so georgeus.
Okay, so I’m not a guy so I don’t see Marina in the same way some of you do, but I have had the privilege of meeting her many times. I admit that I am completely biased (been a fan since I was in high school – that was when the show started so you know I’m not 20) but Marina is one of the nicest people. She’s incredibly funny, extremely charming in person, and really good to her fans. I have heard very few actors any where, say on a constant basis, “Thank-you for my house, and my car and everything I own.” So, in my eyes, that makes her absolutely exquisite!
But, to each his or her own.
we need 2 more TNG movie with picard and a tv series of titan and possible a titan movie aferwards