Comments on: EXCLUSIVE: Bob Orci Explains How The New Star Trek Movie Fits With Trek Canon (and Real Science) http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/ the source for Star Trek news and information Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:53:54 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: TNG and Voyager RULES http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/comment-page-26/#comment-4032696 TNG and Voyager RULES Fri, 21 Oct 2011 06:13:22 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/#comment-4032696 So back to quantum theory and the existance of mulitple parallel universes or relaities, does that mean that at any point in time in one singluar reality, there could be mulitple realities branching out from that single point? Therefore, there would be an infinite number of realities in existance. Phew. My head hurts just from thinking about this. Saw the movie in the theatre way back, and it was awsome! So back to quantum theory and the existance of mulitple parallel universes or relaities, does that mean that at any point in time in one singluar reality, there could be mulitple realities branching out from that single point? Therefore, there would be an infinite number of realities in existance. Phew. My head hurts just from thinking about this.
Saw the movie in the theatre way back, and it was awsome!

]]> By: Trek Fan http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/comment-page-26/#comment-3929566 Trek Fan Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:25:34 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/#comment-3929566 The new film is enjoyable and good enough in its own right, however why muck about with things? It seems that some writers and/or directors aren't happy unless they're messing around changing things for changing things sake. The new film didn't need an alternate timeline, it's a totally pointless aspect. So now we're going to have a whole load of new films in this alternate timeline? Ridiculous. The new film is enjoyable and good enough in its own right, however why muck about with things? It seems that some writers and/or directors aren’t happy unless they’re messing around changing things for changing things sake. The new film didn’t need an alternate timeline, it’s a totally pointless aspect. So now we’re going to have a whole load of new films in this alternate timeline? Ridiculous.

]]> By: Jamey http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/comment-page-26/#comment-3906588 Jamey Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:50:02 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/#comment-3906588 I do not like the whole time travel plot, and yes I know that plot has been the bread and butter of science fiction ... well, forever. So, the way I'm handling the new Start Trek ... is ... it is a new story and will watch/read it as if the slate is clean. I do not like the whole time travel plot, and yes I know that plot has been the bread and butter of science fiction … well, forever. So, the way I’m handling the new Start Trek … is … it is a new story and will watch/read it as if the slate is clean.

]]> By: midzy http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/comment-page-26/#comment-3511231 midzy Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:00:46 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/#comment-3511231 I think the question worth asking here is: Whether they will show us the new "parallel universe" of ST, the old one TOS-Nemesis, or the two of them combined...? I think the question worth asking here is: Whether they will show us the new “parallel universe” of ST, the old one TOS-Nemesis, or the two of them combined…?

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]]> By: Drew Barrymore http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/comment-page-26/#comment-2415413 Drew Barrymore Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:30:06 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/#comment-2415413 How does Orci explain away the 29th century starfleet, as established as canon in Voyager episode Relativity? They had technology which allowed them to detect timeline changes and it was their job to correct them when necessary. Claim that the Voyager writers didn't know Quantum Mechanics theory? I don't buy that. Sounds like an excuse to justify lack of imagination. Should have just let go of the idea of being canon. Alternatively, a future sequel has to depict the timeline being restored perhaps by the 29th century starfleet. Quantum Mechanics is just theory. It hasn't been proven by anyone to date. Relying on it is rather creatively desperate. How does Orci explain away the 29th century starfleet, as established as canon in Voyager episode Relativity? They had technology which allowed them to detect timeline changes and it was their job to correct them when necessary.

Claim that the Voyager writers didn’t know Quantum Mechanics theory? I don’t buy that. Sounds like an excuse to justify lack of imagination. Should have just let go of the idea of being canon. Alternatively, a future sequel has to depict the timeline being restored perhaps by the 29th century starfleet. Quantum Mechanics is just theory. It hasn’t been proven by anyone to date. Relying on it is rather creatively desperate.

]]> By: James http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/comment-page-26/#comment-2372356 James Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:50:09 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/#comment-2372356 It appears to me that the old Spock from the 24th century(played by Leonard Nimoy) is in the 23rd century 11 years prior to the beggining of the original five year mission, and that the future from there will be different that that wich we know, but some things will be the same. The sleeper ship containing Khan and his crew is drifting in space. Being that the elder Spock knows this, will he seek it out and arrange for the apprehension of all on board, before someone, if not the Enterprise discovers and revives them, leading to equally disasterous results. And according to the novel, The Probe that lost contact with the Humpback Whales is already in route to Earth. Will the elder Spock travel back in time and bring forward the Humpback Whales years to it's arrival, and thereby preventing the probe from losing contact and attacking Earth in the first place. The evolution of these two events was not altered by the arrival of Nero and Spock, so how will that be handled? It appears to me that the old Spock from the 24th century(played by Leonard Nimoy) is in the 23rd century 11 years prior to the beggining of the original five year mission, and that the future from there will be different that that wich we know, but some things will be the same. The sleeper ship containing Khan and his crew is drifting in space. Being that the elder Spock knows this, will he seek it out and arrange for the apprehension of all on board, before someone, if not the Enterprise discovers and revives them, leading to equally disasterous results. And according to the novel, The Probe that lost contact with the Humpback Whales is already in route to Earth. Will the elder Spock travel back in time and bring forward the Humpback Whales years to it’s arrival, and thereby preventing the probe from losing contact and attacking Earth in the first place. The evolution of these two events was not altered by the arrival of Nero and Spock, so how will that be handled?

]]> By: Just watched it http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/comment-page-26/#comment-2369466 Just watched it Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:46:09 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/#comment-2369466 I'm afraid I am behind the times and missed this in the theatre, just saw it on DVD. With over 1000 posts I apologize if I have repeat what has been said already. My basis is only on the TOS and not any related books. I think the most glaring example was Chekov. (see post 199). According to TOS Kirk was 35ish and Chekov was 22 (Who Mourns for Adonis?). Here Kirk is 25 and Chekov is 17 when he should be 11 or 12. Time travel can not explain change in birthday. Kirk going from the cadet to captain and not just captain, but of one of the top starships is absolutely beyond belief. By my calculations, the main part of the story would take place 10 years before TOS. This makes even Uhura possibly too young to be in starfleet. I had a big issue with their ranks. Uhura and Sulu were already Lieutenants and Spock was already Cmdr. At the start of TOS, Spock was Lt. Cmdr. (If Nero were rampaging the federation all this time maybe you could say because Nero kept killing officers people got promoted faster.) In the end that added a sense of silliness or juvenility to the movie. I think it could have made the film more credible if Sulu and Uhura were a raw ensigns out of the academy (he was portrayed that way but given a rank of Lt.) Spock could be an Lt. I do like them bringing Scotty and McCoy that way. Seems to me that the writers just used time travel as an excuse to do whatever they wanted to the storyline. To me they took a sci-fi action film and slapped the Star Trek franchaise label on it and made only a token effort to tie the two together. Kind of like buy Star Trek underwear (what does one really have to do with the other). In defense, some of the things I did like were George Kirk, perhaps it was taken from a book as suggested by a previous post, but Kirk's brother's name was George (although also called Sam). They also did throw a bone to Trekkies with the use of Adm. Komack's name, who appeared in a couple of TOS episodes. I’m afraid I am behind the times and missed this in the theatre, just saw it on DVD. With over 1000 posts I apologize if I have repeat what has been said already. My basis is only on the TOS and not any related books.
I think the most glaring example was Chekov. (see post 199). According to TOS Kirk was 35ish and Chekov was 22 (Who Mourns for Adonis?). Here Kirk is 25 and Chekov is 17 when he should be 11 or 12. Time travel can not explain change in birthday.

Kirk going from the cadet to captain and not just captain, but of one of the top starships is absolutely beyond belief. By my calculations, the main part of the story would take place 10 years before TOS. This makes even Uhura possibly too young to be in starfleet. I had a big issue with their ranks. Uhura and Sulu were already Lieutenants and Spock was already Cmdr. At the start of TOS, Spock was Lt. Cmdr. (If Nero were rampaging the federation all this time maybe you could say because Nero kept killing officers people got promoted faster.) In the end that added a sense of silliness or juvenility to the movie. I think it could have made the film more credible if Sulu and Uhura were a raw ensigns out of the academy (he was portrayed that way but given a rank of Lt.) Spock could be an Lt. I do like them bringing Scotty and McCoy that way.

Seems to me that the writers just used time travel as an excuse to do whatever they wanted to the storyline.

To me they took a sci-fi action film and slapped the Star Trek franchaise label on it and made only a token effort to tie the two together. Kind of like buy Star Trek underwear (what does one really have to do with the other).

In defense, some of the things I did like were George Kirk, perhaps it was taken from a book as suggested by a previous post, but Kirk’s brother’s name was George (although also called Sam). They also did throw a bone to Trekkies with the use of Adm. Komack’s name, who appeared in a couple of TOS episodes.

]]> By: Steve http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/comment-page-26/#comment-2351189 Steve Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:00:28 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/#comment-2351189 Sorry but this movie was a disappointment for me. I hope that future movies will correct the time line as past episodes and shows have done. Granted, this movie opens up a Pandora's box of new plots for the show but I prefer the one that we all grew to love. I hope they set things right. Sorry but this movie was a disappointment for me.
I hope that future movies will correct the time line as past episodes and shows have done. Granted, this movie opens up a Pandora’s box of new plots for the show but I prefer the one that we all grew to love.
I hope they set things right.

]]> By: Flynn T http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/comment-page-26/#comment-2127743 Flynn T Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:31:38 +0000 http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/#comment-2127743 1266- Look up Star Trek Online. The new Star Trek MMO explores the old universe after the events of this movie- Destruction of Romulus, Spock disappearing, etc etc. 1266-

Look up Star Trek Online. The new Star Trek MMO explores the old universe after the events of this movie- Destruction of Romulus, Spock disappearing, etc etc.

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