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	<title>Comments on: Abrams: &#8216;Star Trek&#8217; Is Movie They Couldn&#8217;t Afford In Past + New Trek Banner [UPDATE: Hi Res.]</title>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that this young new &quot;Kirk&quot; character has a semi-rape scene withe the new &quot;Uhura&quot; denigrates her charater giving it a shade of being &quot;ships whore&quot;. The scence should be delted. Uhura is a classic character of mythic proportion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that this young new &#8220;Kirk&#8221; character has a semi-rape scene withe the new &#8220;Uhura&#8221; denigrates her charater giving it a shade of being &#8220;ships whore&#8221;. The scence should be delted. Uhura is a classic character of mythic proportion</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retinax...James Tiberius Kirk is allergic to Retinax.  I love the very thought of that scene!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retinax&#8230;James Tiberius Kirk is allergic to Retinax.  I love the very thought of that scene!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhura doesn&#039;t have to &#039;kick butt&#039;.  She isn&#039;t an action heroine nor does she have to be to a decent character.  She is an officer so she should be able to to shoot straight and be trained in basic self-defence (instead of smashing pots on heads...sigh) and she should know what happens when a conatainment field collapses (heavier sigh).  She doesn&#039;t have to fill all the female roles because they should introduce more than one woman... please!

They had just about sussed that Troi was a starfleet officer by season 7 but if they has left her in a standard uniform and given her a purpose outside being ship&#039;s counselor, like in season 1, it wouldn&#039;t have been such a laborious and embarassing journey for the actress, who is much more one of the lads than Troi ever was.  

Fifth Element is a classic example where they took an action heroine and still managed to make an unbelievably sexist film by putting her in a space bikini and using gender stereotyping in all the supporting roles.  We have male police officers, male military officers, male pilots, and female air hostesses.  The only female military officer was put in as a joke - yeas she&#039;s an officer but she&#039;s ugly because only ugly women can make it in the military (Julie T Wallace is actually quite cool but was deliberately dressing down for the role!).  Enjoyable film but do the writers not see how apalling their overall attitude to women can be?

I won&#039;t object if Uhura is made more action friendly, and as the onhly woman it&#039;s inevitable that they are going to put her in space bikinis to try and appeal to the lowest common deominator but I still maintain that Rand is a better fit for the action heroine role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhura doesn&#8217;t have to &#8216;kick butt&#8217;.  She isn&#8217;t an action heroine nor does she have to be to a decent character.  She is an officer so she should be able to to shoot straight and be trained in basic self-defence (instead of smashing pots on heads&#8230;sigh) and she should know what happens when a conatainment field collapses (heavier sigh).  She doesn&#8217;t have to fill all the female roles because they should introduce more than one woman&#8230; please!</p>
<p>They had just about sussed that Troi was a starfleet officer by season 7 but if they has left her in a standard uniform and given her a purpose outside being ship&#8217;s counselor, like in season 1, it wouldn&#8217;t have been such a laborious and embarassing journey for the actress, who is much more one of the lads than Troi ever was.  </p>
<p>Fifth Element is a classic example where they took an action heroine and still managed to make an unbelievably sexist film by putting her in a space bikini and using gender stereotyping in all the supporting roles.  We have male police officers, male military officers, male pilots, and female air hostesses.  The only female military officer was put in as a joke &#8211; yeas she&#8217;s an officer but she&#8217;s ugly because only ugly women can make it in the military (Julie T Wallace is actually quite cool but was deliberately dressing down for the role!).  Enjoyable film but do the writers not see how apalling their overall attitude to women can be?</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t object if Uhura is made more action friendly, and as the onhly woman it&#8217;s inevitable that they are going to put her in space bikinis to try and appeal to the lowest common deominator but I still maintain that Rand is a better fit for the action heroine role.</p>
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		<title>By: T.U.M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.U.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#173 - Time will tell. I hope you&#039;re right.

In modern Hollywood language, though, &quot;she kicks butt&quot; is used, as often as not, as shorthand for &quot;she does a lot of action sequences in tight clothes, which don&#039;t have much purpose beyond titillating male S&amp;M fantasies.&quot; Also, &quot;strong character&quot; is usually just shorthand for &quot;sassy, wisecracking broad.&quot;

The ”Oh Captain, I’m afraid” sexist stereotype of another generation has mostly been supplanted, but usually only by a new-style sexist stereotype.

I&#039;d like to believe that anything with the name Star Trek on it will try to avoid that sort of thing, but unfortunately it really sells, and the ads aren;t doing anything to reassure me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#173 &#8211; Time will tell. I hope you&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>In modern Hollywood language, though, &#8220;she kicks butt&#8221; is used, as often as not, as shorthand for &#8220;she does a lot of action sequences in tight clothes, which don&#8217;t have much purpose beyond titillating male S&amp;M fantasies.&#8221; Also, &#8220;strong character&#8221; is usually just shorthand for &#8220;sassy, wisecracking broad.&#8221;</p>
<p>The ”Oh Captain, I’m afraid” sexist stereotype of another generation has mostly been supplanted, but usually only by a new-style sexist stereotype.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to believe that anything with the name Star Trek on it will try to avoid that sort of thing, but unfortunately it really sells, and the ads aren;t doing anything to reassure me.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cage and many of the very early Trek stories are just awesome sci fi, even today.  The first time I saw the Cage I was blown away at how sophisticated it was.  

Sadly, familiarilty breeds contempt.  The most highly regarded shows tend to quit on a high but I confess, I want Star Trek to continue.  I love the later shows but TOS holds the most special place for me.  I&#039;d love it if they told the story of the second 5-year mission between TMP and TWOK in a series or mini-series or series of tv movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cage and many of the very early Trek stories are just awesome sci fi, even today.  The first time I saw the Cage I was blown away at how sophisticated it was.  </p>
<p>Sadly, familiarilty breeds contempt.  The most highly regarded shows tend to quit on a high but I confess, I want Star Trek to continue.  I love the later shows but TOS holds the most special place for me.  I&#8217;d love it if they told the story of the second 5-year mission between TMP and TWOK in a series or mini-series or series of tv movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug in Afghanistan (for six more weeks)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug in Afghanistan (for six more weeks)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25; Yep. a huge lot of vocal folks are just plain spoiled, and the ones who like things generally don&#039;t say quite as much as those with a gripe. It is, in my opinion, a lopsided argument.

Sad thing is that too many fans abandoned TREK just when it was needed most, and ST: Enterprise&#039;s cancellation was the result... just when it was getting really good.

I recall the first two years of STNG were kinda rocky, but the series got better. I think if the fans who have acted so poorly in recent years had done that then, TREK might have ended back in the later 80s.

I sure don&#039;t see how people can judge it so harshly without having seen the finished product. I say give the film a chance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25; Yep. a huge lot of vocal folks are just plain spoiled, and the ones who like things generally don&#8217;t say quite as much as those with a gripe. It is, in my opinion, a lopsided argument.</p>
<p>Sad thing is that too many fans abandoned TREK just when it was needed most, and ST: Enterprise&#8217;s cancellation was the result&#8230; just when it was getting really good.</p>
<p>I recall the first two years of STNG were kinda rocky, but the series got better. I think if the fans who have acted so poorly in recent years had done that then, TREK might have ended back in the later 80s.</p>
<p>I sure don&#8217;t see how people can judge it so harshly without having seen the finished product. I say give the film a chance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curses! Darn those sexy, sexy lady hippies/androids. Kirk, hmmm. It would explain the motorcycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curses! Darn those sexy, sexy lady hippies/androids. Kirk, hmmm. It would explain the motorcycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tee hee - Kirk&#039;s the best candidate for a bi-sexual.  He&#039;ll shag pretty much anything.  Not quite as bad as Captain Jack Harkness, but almost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tee hee &#8211; Kirk&#8217;s the best candidate for a bi-sexual.  He&#8217;ll shag pretty much anything.  Not quite as bad as Captain Jack Harkness, but almost.</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#169----&quot;...did he (Chekov) ever like the ladies in the original series?&quot;

Afraid so.

&quot;The Apple&quot;, &quot;Way To Eden&quot;, &quot;The Day Of The Dove&quot;, and &quot;I, Mudd&quot; come quickly to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#169&#8212;-&#8221;&#8230;did he (Chekov) ever like the ladies in the original series?&#8221;</p>
<p>Afraid so.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Apple&#8221;, &#8220;Way To Eden&#8221;, &#8220;The Day Of The Dove&#8221;, and &#8220;I, Mudd&#8221; come quickly to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#163---&quot;... her role in the new film seems to be a lot more about sex/sexiness for its own sake than it did in the TV show and earlier films.&quot;

I don&#039;t get that impression at all. What I took from the reviews of the 20 minutes of footage already shown is that Uhura&#039;s opinion is, at one point, more valuable than Kirk&#039;s. It is, in fact, her voice alone which lends credibility to the young Jim Kirk. Is she sexy? Absolutely. Does she show off her bra? Apparently. But she also seems to be a strong character who (thankfully) wards off the young drunken Kirk in a bar. She is unimpressed by his looks, and only begins to pay any attention to him when he demonstrates a bit of intellect.

When I hear &quot;Uhura kicks butt&quot;, I have to believe she is not the stereotypical female (&quot;Oh Captain, I&#039;m afraid&quot;) she was sometimes depicted as in the Original Series.

My favorite Uhura scene was always the defiant scowl she laid upon Khan&#039;s henchman in &quot;Space Seed&quot;, right after he backhanded her across the face. I like the idea that such toughness and courage might now be closer to the surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#163&#8212;&#8221;&#8230; her role in the new film seems to be a lot more about sex/sexiness for its own sake than it did in the TV show and earlier films.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get that impression at all. What I took from the reviews of the 20 minutes of footage already shown is that Uhura&#8217;s opinion is, at one point, more valuable than Kirk&#8217;s. It is, in fact, her voice alone which lends credibility to the young Jim Kirk. Is she sexy? Absolutely. Does she show off her bra? Apparently. But she also seems to be a strong character who (thankfully) wards off the young drunken Kirk in a bar. She is unimpressed by his looks, and only begins to pay any attention to him when he demonstrates a bit of intellect.</p>
<p>When I hear &#8220;Uhura kicks butt&#8221;, I have to believe she is not the stereotypical female (&#8221;Oh Captain, I&#8217;m afraid&#8221;) she was sometimes depicted as in the Original Series.</p>
<p>My favorite Uhura scene was always the defiant scowl she laid upon Khan&#8217;s henchman in &#8220;Space Seed&#8221;, right after he backhanded her across the face. I like the idea that such toughness and courage might now be closer to the surface.</p>
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