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	<title>Comments on: Science Friday: Mini Kirk&#8217;s Kung Fu Grip, Alien Water, Ancient Computers + Cool Gadgets + more</title>
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		<title>By: Commodore Lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Commodore Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Archimedes, he was such a smart old screw.

That young Kirk finger grip!  I gripe, because that turned me off to the trailer immediately, with a heavy Lurker groan.

With all the recent discoveries of &quot;Extremeophiles&quot; here on Earth, I can&#039;t believe Planetary Scientists still say that a planet is &quot;too cold, too hot, too high or low an atmospheric pressure, too much radiation (whatever) to support life.&quot;  Given what we&#039;ve found here at home, I don&#039;t think we can rationally rule anything out anymore as &quot;Too extreme an environment&quot; for life.  We have found some microbes that can survive in the vaccum of space for God&#039;s sake!

Kayla, another fabulous job!  Thank you, as always, and congrats on making the AGU!

I must Segway off to my Jetpack now.  };-D&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Archimedes, he was such a smart old screw.</p>
<p>That young Kirk finger grip!  I gripe, because that turned me off to the trailer immediately, with a heavy Lurker groan.</p>
<p>With all the recent discoveries of &#8220;Extremeophiles&#8221; here on Earth, I can&#8217;t believe Planetary Scientists still say that a planet is &#8220;too cold, too hot, too high or low an atmospheric pressure, too much radiation (whatever) to support life.&#8221;  Given what we&#8217;ve found here at home, I don&#8217;t think we can rationally rule anything out anymore as &#8220;Too extreme an environment&#8221; for life.  We have found some microbes that can survive in the vaccum of space for God&#8217;s sake!</p>
<p>Kayla, another fabulous job!  Thank you, as always, and congrats on making the AGU!</p>
<p>I must Segway off to my Jetpack now.  };-D&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: BK613</title>
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		<dc:creator>BK613</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>47
Agreed.
Besides, I like science.  And I like it when the real science in a science fiction movie works correctly, even if it&#039;s at the edge of what&#039;s possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>47<br />
Agreed.<br />
Besides, I like science.  And I like it when the real science in a science fiction movie works correctly, even if it&#8217;s at the edge of what&#8217;s possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobalt 1365</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobalt 1365</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 05:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, PopSci opened this can of worms, we&#039;re just keeping them honest ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, PopSci opened this can of worms, we&#8217;re just keeping them honest ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Aqua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for their calculation sayin he couldn&#039;t pull himself up that quickly, I just tried it by hanging off my room then pulling my self up, if you go slow it&#039;s hard, but if you do it fast and hard you can do it at pretty much the same speed he did, no wires required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for their calculation sayin he couldn&#8217;t pull himself up that quickly, I just tried it by hanging off my room then pulling my self up, if you go slow it&#8217;s hard, but if you do it fast and hard you can do it at pretty much the same speed he did, no wires required.</p>
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		<title>By: Bully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering how much Jimmy T.&#039;s shirts would get torn and shredded later in his life, looks like he got off to a better start and just went downhill from there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering how much Jimmy T.&#8217;s shirts would get torn and shredded later in his life, looks like he got off to a better start and just went downhill from there!</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E = bonehead x geek squared....It&#039;s a bloody movie! get a life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E = bonehead x geek squared&#8230;.It&#8217;s a bloody movie! get a life!</p>
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		<title>By: BK613</title>
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		<dc:creator>BK613</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the POPSCI article but recalculated at 40 mph  (18m/s) instead of the ridiculous 80 mph (36m/s) that they propose:
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Fnet = Ffriction = µmg = ma

where the acceleration of the car is completely due to the friction force. M is the mass of the car, g is equal to the acceleration due to gravity (9.8m/s2) , µ is the coefficient of sliding friction between sand and tires (0.5 at most), and a is the acceleration of the car. Solving for a we get:

a = µg = (0.5)(9.8m/s2) = 4.9 m/s2

If we assume a relatively constant acceleration then

a = (v^2 - v0^2) / 2x

where v0 = 18m/s, a = - 4.9 m/s^2 and x = 30 m.

Solving for v we find that the car goes over the cliff at a speed v = 5.477 m/s.
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the POPSCI article gives Kirk a 4m/s difference because of his jumping but let&#039;s give him only a tenth of that (the .477m/s.) And we&#039;ll keep the 5 meter distance from the cliff.

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a = (v2 - v02)/2x = (0 - 5m/s)^2 / 2(5.0m) = 2.5 m/s^2

requiring a force of

Fnet = Ffingers = ma

and assuming that the young Kirk has a mass of around 50 kg we get

Ffingers = ma = (50kg)(2.5m/s^2) = 125 Newtons (or 28.1 pound-force)
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Doable (but I wouldn&#039;t try it at home.)  I still think other factors are not accounted for in this analysis but even they&#039;re own methodology with a reasonable input yields a reasonable result. Of course a fair evaluation doesn&#039;t generate as many hits :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the POPSCI article but recalculated at 40 mph  (18m/s) instead of the ridiculous 80 mph (36m/s) that they propose:<br />
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<p>Fnet = Ffriction = µmg = ma</p>
<p>where the acceleration of the car is completely due to the friction force. M is the mass of the car, g is equal to the acceleration due to gravity (9.8m/s2) , µ is the coefficient of sliding friction between sand and tires (0.5 at most), and a is the acceleration of the car. Solving for a we get:</p>
<p>a = µg = (0.5)(9.8m/s2) = 4.9 m/s2</p>
<p>If we assume a relatively constant acceleration then</p>
<p>a = (v^2 &#8211; v0^2) / 2x</p>
<p>where v0 = 18m/s, a = &#8211; 4.9 m/s^2 and x = 30 m.</p>
<p>Solving for v we find that the car goes over the cliff at a speed v = 5.477 m/s.<br />
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<p>the POPSCI article gives Kirk a 4m/s difference because of his jumping but let&#8217;s give him only a tenth of that (the .477m/s.) And we&#8217;ll keep the 5 meter distance from the cliff.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
a = (v2 &#8211; v02)/2x = (0 &#8211; 5m/s)^2 / 2(5.0m) = 2.5 m/s^2</p>
<p>requiring a force of</p>
<p>Fnet = Ffingers = ma</p>
<p>and assuming that the young Kirk has a mass of around 50 kg we get</p>
<p>Ffingers = ma = (50kg)(2.5m/s^2) = 125 Newtons (or 28.1 pound-force)<br />
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Doable (but I wouldn&#8217;t try it at home.)  I still think other factors are not accounted for in this analysis but even they&#8217;re own methodology with a reasonable input yields a reasonable result. Of course a fair evaluation doesn&#8217;t generate as many hits :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Cobalt 1365</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobalt 1365</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*nerd voice* according to my calculations...
/nerd voice

PopSci assumes Jimmy Boy&#039;s velocity when he hits the turf to be about 63 mph (v0 in the equation), when if you watch the trailer he is not traveling anywhere near that speed. Others are correct in pointing out that his body would have a much higher coefficient of friction than his fingers alone, so we can assume that his clothing and body were exerting much more force on the ground than his fingers were. 

One can also see that as Kirk pitches over the edge of the cliff that he is still moving, therefore his final velocity (v2 in the equation) cannot be 0. He doesn&#039;t come to a stop until he hangs over the edge, where all of his weight rests on his fingertips, which at this point don&#039;t have to exert much more than 110 lbs of force to stop him.

Sorry, engineering student who had to put my two cents in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*nerd voice* according to my calculations&#8230;<br />
/nerd voice</p>
<p>PopSci assumes Jimmy Boy&#8217;s velocity when he hits the turf to be about 63 mph (v0 in the equation), when if you watch the trailer he is not traveling anywhere near that speed. Others are correct in pointing out that his body would have a much higher coefficient of friction than his fingers alone, so we can assume that his clothing and body were exerting much more force on the ground than his fingers were. </p>
<p>One can also see that as Kirk pitches over the edge of the cliff that he is still moving, therefore his final velocity (v2 in the equation) cannot be 0. He doesn&#8217;t come to a stop until he hangs over the edge, where all of his weight rests on his fingertips, which at this point don&#8217;t have to exert much more than 110 lbs of force to stop him.</p>
<p>Sorry, engineering student who had to put my two cents in</p>
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		<title>By: ucdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>ucdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one noticed that Jimmy B&#039;s cute little polo-neck would have been shredded?  Either that, or it would be pushed up,shredding his tummy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one noticed that Jimmy B&#8217;s cute little polo-neck would have been shredded?  Either that, or it would be pushed up,shredding his tummy.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok. I put the Flux on the Coravette thats actualy an Autobot and we got it to 88 and time warped to may of 2009. We Watched the New Movie of Star Trek and Yes. The Shat does make an apperence. me and Bumblebee were a little Surprised but we thought it was so cool to see the Shat in the new Star Trek Movie. The Effects Were Great and All things Cannon Are Explained in full Detail and the Ending is Both Shocking and Wonderfull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. I put the Flux on the Coravette thats actualy an Autobot and we got it to 88 and time warped to may of 2009. We Watched the New Movie of Star Trek and Yes. The Shat does make an apperence. me and Bumblebee were a little Surprised but we thought it was so cool to see the Shat in the new Star Trek Movie. The Effects Were Great and All things Cannon Are Explained in full Detail and the Ending is Both Shocking and Wonderfull.</p>
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