Chris Pine: No Crazy Sex In Star Trek January 13, 2009
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: ST09 Cast, Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
In November the Star Trek theatrical trailer raised some eyebrows with a couple of brief shots of the new crew in some sexy situations. However, somewhat contradictory to a previous comment of his, the new Kirk now says that Star Trek does not cross the line. Details below, plus Chris reveals who he has a man crush on.
Star Trek does not go crazy
Back in November Chris Pine (the new James Kirk) told E! the new film was sexier than past Trek:
It’s trying to be sexed up for a new generation that really isn’t used to seeing Star Trek. It’s a whole new beast.
Pine noted that this Uhura shot was already famous…yep
But now in a new comment to E! at the Golden Globes over the weekend, Chris has dialed that back a bit, saying:
It is a different Star Trek, but there’s no crazy sex scene. There may be some bare midriffs, but you know it’s been a long time since the bikini was invented, so I don’t think we’re going to ruffle any feathers.
Nothing ‘crazy’ about jumping into bed with a green Rachel Nichols
Of course sexy scenes are nothing new to Star Trek, especially on Star Trek Enterprise. The new Star Trek film is likely to get a PG-13 rating, but that is not a Trek first. Two out of the last three Trek films had PG-13 ratings (First Contact and Nemesis), and some of us are still trying to forget the love scene in that last movie.
Riker and Troi get it on in Star Trek Nemesis
Pine’s man crush
Speaking of possible crazy scenes, Chris has a few quotes in this Golden Globes after party video from HollyScoop.com, including his confession that he has a "man crush" on Alec Baldwin.
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No crazy sex? I’m not watching the movie then!!!
Young Kirk grew up to be strong and healthy because he always ate all his greens!
Harry # 2,
Ooooohhhhh…. that’s BAAAAD.
Okay, so I just snorted I was laughing so hard.
I’m sure he has left more of a carbon footprint than just David Marcus.
BOYCOTTTTTTT!
No, seriously. I’m relieved. Let’s get our PG-13 for violence! Keep it a family show!
2. BA-ZING!!!!
#2
Great one! LMAO
“That last movie” featured a digitally-shaved back as well. Sigh.
is it just me or does anyone think the smartass guy from NCIS would have made a great Kirk?
He does the hands very well.
Having sex with Rachel Nichols, Zoe Saldana, Winona Ryder or Jennifer Morrison…would be the sanest thing a man could do
No crazy sex? NOT CANON! (those are NOT his knees)!
I have to believe that in the future (even this parallel universe) bras would be more…futuristic. Spandex; metallic fabric; zero-G; something…
…Nah,, no crazy sex at all. It’s all perfectly 100% psychiatrist-approved, totally rational, absolutely sane sex.
[shakes head in mild amusement]
#2 ROFL!!!! That was simply a perfect line! Kudos!
#11
Winona Ryder…I don’t know…
Might not be any “crazy sex scenes”, but it’s sure come a long way from the pan-up-to-the-ceiling-to-indicate-a-romantic-interlude of TOS regardless. ;D
#9. Brady
Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo (Michael Weatherly)? Absolutely!! Good one.
Also — since we’re talking about ‘could’ve beens’…
…in the TNG ep “Yesterday’s Enterprise” where the Enterprise C slips through a rift in time and we see Tasha again and she meets Enterprise C’s Lt. Richard Castillo (played by Chris McDonald)… he would have made a great Captain Archer. IMO
kg
13 – How would a woman see to drive if she were wearing a Zero-G bra? ;-D
Set Phasers to hard.
>> 19. Brett Campbell – January 13, 2009
13 – How would a woman see to drive if she were wearing a Zero-G bra? ;-D<<
Women can drive?
: p
21 – Oooo … Mickey! You might get a comment or two about that one! LMAO!
2 – Harcourt! Harcourt Fenton Ballz! Have you been drinking again?! ;-)
#5
Though i sense that your comment was made with some tongue in cheek intention when you “praise” the inclusive of violence and rejoice at the exclusion of sex…it reminds me of an argument that i’ve made with my friends for a while. (not concerning trek…just pop culture in general)
why is “violence” more acceptable than “sex”?
my hope for my future children is that they experience some beautifully passionate love (and whatever personal details may come with that) in their lifetime. And i hope that they NEVER experience any violent crimes around them or especially towards them.
its a strange double standard we carry in life that is reflected in our “rating system.” guns=good(or at least, OK). sex=bad.
i dont get it..
16. What the hell is wrong with Winona? She’s still gorgeous.
#24 – Just don’t leave your clothes unguarded on the bedroom floor…
Notice the re-use of sets in both those scenes? Also, Uhura looks to thin, remember you look 30 pds. heavier on screen then in person. And, since there are not any ‘wild’ sex scenes look at where Pine’s mouth is! And notice how far apart they are? does he have a secret anti-grav toy? LOL!
So ya think maybe Uhura and the Orion are roommates? And Uhura comes home early or whatever, while Kirk and She-Hulk are getting it on .Causing for some reason, Kirk to hide from Uhura under the bed? Leading to his accidental (I hope) peeping.
RTF!
I think they will release a toned down version for the cinema and an uncut version for the dvd release.
No sex please, we’re Britsh!
Greg
UK
Chris MacDonald did have a definite Kirk-vibe going on in that episode. When he sits in the command chair, he pulls a Kirk-like pose, and a couple of other times.
“I have to believe that in the future (even this parallel universe) bras would be more…futuristic. Spandex; metallic fabric; zero-G; something…”
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LOL. You are so right. Zero-G. MIght that require constant attenuation for stablization and leveling??
There is a difference between something being sexed up, and containing sex.
I put go faster stripes on my car, it’s sexed up. Don’t mean it will contain more sex ( infact, probably reduces that chance )
regarding ratings – TWOK was a ‘15′ (R) for ages on vhs in the UK…the dvd is now 12 (PG 13)…However i think it was PG everywhere when it came out in 1982
I’m betting Kirk went into the wrong dorm room. The rooms are similar but they are different. There is a different kind of light behind Uhura and there are different items in each room.
We’ll have this movie figured out before May!
lol, trust the Trekkies to be in an uproar about sex in their science fiction!
nobody was expecting Last Tango in Starbase 1.
the mention of Spock’s outbursts makes me wonder if the image[s] of Spock with his delta shield in reverse are actually dream/fantasy sequences.
Man Crush. Fun!
well, when we talk about movie ratings, TMP was rated G, of all things, in order to bring in the kiddies. There were only five “damn”s in the entire movie, so I guess that rates a G.
And as to who would have made a better young Kirk, I think Weatherly (DiNozzo) is too old. But perhaps, if in the next movie there’s a scene in which Kirk (Pine) takes a peek into his future…how would DiNozzo look in a TMP-era Starfleet uniform?
I’m just sayin’….
#34 – please don’t generalize ;) The trekkies that are upset about the sex are the ones Shat was talking about years ago when he said, “get a life!”
Good; I’m glad they’re not buying into the gratitutious way to sell movie tickets. Though I’m certainly a fan of sex scenes, I’ve never missed them in Trek.
What the hell is this “man crush” crap? Maybe I’m showing my age (42), but that just ain’t right.
38 – Actually — and remembering that it was a line scripted line for him from SNL writers in a sketch satirizing Trekkies and conventions — the barb was aimed at all who make Trek the ONLY thing in their lives.
How you reached the conclusion you did about such a select group is, as our friend Spock would say, highly illogical.
And even he got laid every seven years! ;-D
24 – Good one! LOL!
I’m definitely developing a huge WOMAN crush on Chris Pine!
You meant this won’t be called Star Sex. Oh Ok ill go and see Star Trek. But maybe next Time right. Star Sex 2 the Wrath of Kirks Women.On the Next Star Trek.(Sex)
Star Trek: The Next Penetration.
There. Because it had to be said.
fine fine….now can we see some new pics of the Enterprise PLEASE?
“Nothing ‘crazy’ about jumping into bed with a green Rachel Nichols”
Or a blue one, red one, purple one, yellow one, orange one…
:)
#46–funny!
To #23…
I understand your comment, but I think the motivation behind the two actions is what is makes it praiseworthy or not.
Is irresponsible sex praiseworthy? Love and sex are not the same thing (though some have confused the two). Finding committed love is something to be praised and relished. I think what is trying to be shown about Kirk when he was younger and unfocused is he was irresponsible– hence this sex scene. And, I would rather not see it. Imply it, but don’t glorify it. Of course, I have no control over the movie, so my opinion is moot.
Certainly violence for violence sake is not praiseworthy. It is deplorable. However, all violence is not the same. Sometimes non-violent people must do violent things to stop violent people. Hence, the actions of the Allies to stop Hitler. That was not “violence”– it was courage. The “action movies” I like don’t glorify violence, they glorify courage. Standing up for what is right regardless of the odds. Stopping people who act violently. Ironically, it is the whole “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.” It is when one man– or crew– who would rather be exploring determine to fight someone or something that seeks to hurt others. Such actions are praiseworthy and to be encouraged. It is a value needed in a society.
So, yes, I see a huge difference between a movie being rated R for gratuitous and dangerous sexual behavior which people don’t need to be encouraged in and a movie being rated PG-13 for acts of courage and selflessness, which is a trait to be encouraged. JMHO.
On the lighter side, to #38… On the contrary; some of us fans aren’t clamoring to see sex scenes on the screen because we have it in our lives already ;-). To engage in is better than to watch.
Nice to see celebs interviewed when they’re piss-drunk and hungry.
Now, there’s a good poll question. What is the greatest love scene in Star Trek?
Beyond “Plato’s Stepchildren,” and “Courtmartial’s” kiss on the Bridge, I can’t think of anything.
There’s certainly lots of innuendo around. And lots of talking. And I don’t know DS9 well enough to know if Worf and Dax ever had any public displays of affection.
Anthony, that’s a poll question worth considering, but it requires some research (a mission for Mr. Trotter?). Criteria: Locked lips or more shown on camera.
#13 – That was my first thought, too! If us girls have nothing better to look forward to than an off-the-rack while K-Mart special, what’s the point in keeping the species going? Bring on the spacebras, already – it’s not like they didn’t have a costume budget!
#49 – I thought Troi’s massage-oil scene with Ral in “The Price” was pretty nice.
#48—”I think what is trying to be shown about Kirk when he was younger and unfocused is he was irresponsible– hence this sex scene. And, I would rather not see it. Imply it, but don’t glorify it.”
When Procounsel Claudius offers Captain Kirk “a few last hours as a man” in “Bread And Circuses” (and Kirk apparently takes him up on it–with a slave girl, no less), is he being more responsible in your mind? It may only be implied, but I think it is blatantly so—-and I think such a scene in the late 1960’s was probably more racy then than what the trailer suggests Kirk’s interlude with Rachel Nichols character will be in 2009.
Young men will not likely be any less hormonally driven in the 23rd Century than they are now—in my opinion, and James T. Kirk’s reputation (deserved or not) has always been one of a “ladies’ man”. This facet of the character is very much an integral part of his iconic status. If the film were to ignore that aspect of him, I can hardly imagine that the public (even non traditional fans with only a vague knowledge of Star Trek) wouldn’t find that element conspicuously absent from the film.
That scene with Pine packing a massive stool softner in his pantalones is one of legend and praise Allah that we see it here today again.
Thats graphic enough for me. Star Trek was never about anything really filthy or disgusting. I think that the Orcster has also confirmed a very minimal use of profanity in the script as well.
Its all good.
THE WOMEN!!
=h=
AJ#49- I liked the female-on-female kiss between Dax and her/his former girlfriend.
TUM#50- I agree – bring on the space bras. Any color other than white, for goodness sake.
If you Think about it Tos Series had a lot of Sex Apeal. I mean kirk with his Women and Checkove had his Girl in Spector of the Gun. Scotty had his Girl and Even Bones had his and uhurah had a guy or 2. I don’t think Sulu had a girl though which can now be explained. AlsTos had the great idea of the Short and i mean Short Skits for the Girls and that was a great idea. So Sex appeal in the new Trek Movie is a great idea and for the Current Generation of Movie Goers it is a Norm.
I was watching Hellboy last night, listening to the commentary, and Guillermo del Toro mentions in several places where the violence had to be carefully measured to avoid an R rating. These scenes were specifically where individual combat was involved, mano a mano stuff, and del Toro notes how the big thing was blood – the visual of blood (flying, pooling, smearing, whatever…) which would have affected the rating. That’s a completely different kettle of fish from action violence where things go boom.
Action violence and cartoon violence, I think, have become more acceptable because there’s a certain amount of detachment from the event. When it’s an intimate event, it gets more visceral. I think that makes the difference.
Or, as in the case of Nemesis, the combination of personal violence in the form of the “mind-rape” of Troi, plus the combat.
Now, if the blood is pink…
I thought about going on a rant and posting a satirical piece that mirrored the post from Brad’s comment from Blood and Fire…but I am too lazy in the end. Just love though that the scene in Blood and Fire can be viewed as over the top and “inappropriate” but then we get an entire article here about the sex appeal of Star Trek and because it is heterosexual it’s totally cool. Sad world we live in.
#51
I was not arguing that Kirk is not hormonally driven even in the 23rd century. I was arguing that glorifying sex– not love– is not a praiseworthy thing. And yes, even as a more mature man, Kirk exhibited immature thinking regarding male bravado. He never established a real relationship with a real woman– witness Carol Marcus, the closest thing he ever had to love, but a failed relationship. Because he (or she) could not commit to love, he fathered a child and never had a relationship with him– and David was the worse for it.
I know Kirk was a product of 60’s thinking, as was James Bond. But, neither of these characters live in the real world.
My point was that glorifying sex– not love– is not something to be encouraged. Without love, it is a self-centered action. On the other hand, unwanted but necessary violence from non-violent people for the good of “the many” is a selfless act.
My subpoint was really the idea that these things can be suggested, but they can be shown. The fact we are arguing this aspect of Kirk from a 60’s show that suggested it but didn’t show Kirk in bed with a woman demonstrates it doesn’t have to be seen on the screen to know his attraction to women is strong.
Agreed Tim! But after all the hoo-ha and virtriol in the Bllod and Fire thread a couple of weeks ago I just can’t be arsed either!
I’ve got a man-crush on Chris Pine!
#57: ‘My point was that glorifying sex– not love– is not something to be encouraged. Without love, it is a self-centered action. ‘
Can’t joyful, playful fulfilling sex between two people who are friends, fond of each other, mutually respectful but not in love be equally as valid? I don’t call that self-centred!
I’m not sure that Chris Pine was contradicting himself with the new statement. I’ve never been under the impression that when something was “sexed up” it literally meant more sex. I think it usually means something more along the lines of making something more hip and visually appealing.
Or maybe I’m completely off on that. I don’t know.
ulike phase II
I AM NEVER NEVER GOING TO WATCH THIS MOVIE NOBODY CAN MAKE ME WATCH IT IF I DO NOT WANT TO I ASKED MY TEACHER AND SHE SAID TO ME NO YOU CANNOT BE FORCED TO WATCH A FILM IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO I WILL NEVER ACCEPT THIS NEW STAR TREK
I truly hope that after the scene with Knotty Pine and the Orion gal, they show Kirk sitting on the edge of the bed putting his boots back on!
57 – I don’t think the scene seen in the trailer is graphic.
A possible way the scene could go:
- Kirk is in the Orion Girl’s quarters, shared by Uhura, with the Orion Girl.
- Just as they’re about to start, they hear something (door opening, someone dropping a book) that tells them someones comming in.
- Orion girl hides Kirk under the bed, and Uhura walks in. Orion girl leaves.
- Uhura begins getting undressed, then notices Kirk under the bed.
- She calls him out, lectures him, but the barrier is broken for a friendship.
What this scene does for Kirk and Uhura:
- Sows the seeds of a friendship/kinship of sorts between Uhura and Kirk.
- Establishes that Kirk is a charming ladies man, and that Uhura will have none of it with her.
- May show Kirk’s leadership abilities by him convincing Uhura not to turn him in for the incident.
60 – What you are talking about is the whole “Friends With Benefits” thing.
Such a thing is fine in theory, but too often, the line gets blurred.
Something that could be a good, long lasting friendship could turn into something awkward and horrendously complex.
It’s a double-edged sword.
Of course, it is a part of Kirk’s character that he charms and schmoozes very well, and gets into bed sometimes.
He is very much a sailor at sea, with a girl in every port, but his real love is the ship, his crew and the service.
He may get the girls in the ports, but he is likely lonely, but for the Enterprise.
61 – Sexed Up as in Souped Up, Pimped.
Post 31 beat me to it. Using a term like sexier was often done in my work were we talked about a new design being “sexy” only to mean that it’s cooler or more rockin’. It’s not PC, but it was direct. So it was clear to me Pine was referring to a cooler new Star Trek then what we’ve seen in the past.
63. That’s nice. By the way, nobody is forcing you to post on a blog dedicated to the new movie.
Y’know, even though I’m a ladyperson, my crush on Alec Baldwin is sort of a man-crush, too. It’s not so much an attraction as it is just an overwhelming appreciation of his masculinity.
Closettrekker – January 14, 2009
“Nothing ‘crazy’ about jumping into bed with a green Rachel Nichols”
Or a blue one, red one, purple one, yellow one, orange one…
:)
Kirk: (Using Rand’s makeup kit to cover a wide-spectrum of blotches all over his face.) I’m fine, Bones. I’m fine. Just give me a shot and let me get back to the bridge.
Bones: You’re the Captain, but that’s the last time I authorize shore leave on the planet Crayola.
We should see Amanda and Sarek creating Spock ..intercut with Kirks folks doing the same…maybe even SFX showing the cells forming..
what better way to show the origins of Kirk and spock?
71 – LOL !!!!
71 – Actually, they need to show a tiny, infinately small particle exploding in an instant, then gradually forming the first stars, and eventually galaxies etc.
What better way to do an origin story ;-)
-No crazy sex ..?!? ..that’s too bad… >:-D
25. She can have ‘em.
Alec Baldwin? Blech
#58—” I was arguing that glorifying sex– not love– is not a praiseworthy thing. And yes, even as a more mature man, Kirk exhibited immature thinking regarding male bravado. He never established a real relationship with a real woman– witness Carol Marcus, the closest thing he ever had to love, but a failed relationship. Because he (or she) could not commit to love, he fathered a child and never had a relationship with him– and David was the worse for it….My point was that glorifying sex– not love– is not something to be encouraged. Without love, it is a self-centered action.”
You can even categorize it as a “character flaw” in James Kirk. Nevertheless, it is a part of him. But those tendancies in him have always been “glorified”. Indeed, Jim Kirk’s seductive capablities (and self-centered indulgences) have been the envy of young men (and older men, for that matter) for decades!
:)
69 – correct.
I think the argument that “Trek” should be THE pop-culture forum for mainstreaming homosexuality is becoming tiresome.
“Phase II” gave it a whirl, and it came across like a college production of “Equus:” Bad acting and all we want to see are the sexy scenes, but they suck, too.
In the end, the sexuality of Trek has always centered around Kirk and Spock. Kirk can manipulate a woman, either to bed, or to the next mission objective. Spock’s dispassionate elusiveness and quiet good looks are like a chick-magnet which always results in failure for the girl.
It would have been interesting to have paired Spock with a woman. He dissed T’Pring, and had a thing for Zarabeth in an altered state of mind. Leila Kalomi was hopelessly enamored with him. He inexplicably thought Droxine was interesting. What kind of woman is right for Spock?
Thank God. Adding sex in the show is what stated to kill it. I’m fine with hinting at it beginning, but I DO NOT want to see it and that’s not what Star Trek was about either
#80—-Off the top of my head, I think the “logical” choice for him would be someone like Saavik.
She already has the perspective of a person who, due to her mixed heritage, doesn’t quite belong—so she’s got that going for her. She also has that “father figure” thing going with Spock, somewhat common in relationships with significant age discrepancy.
…And of course, they’ve already coupled.
:)
80 – The problem I have with the gay relationship in “Blood and Fire” is that it seems forced.
Taking off the shirt to look at the burn, is more like throwing it in the face of the audiences, kind of over dwelling on it.
I get a similar reaction to the blue contamination room grease up sequences in Enterprise, though the titilation aspect is more effective to me.
The reason, I think, is this:
- I am heterosexual, which means I am attracted to scenes depicting heterosexual activity.
- Seeing a homosexual act repulses me instinctively.
I am sure a Gay man watching the scene would find it a lovely scene, and may be repulsed by a heterosexual scene in the same manner.
It is not from a place of prejudice, but the simple nature of sexuality.
To establish a close relationship, it is not necessary to show things in the way it was.
When push comes to shove, one cannot “mainstream” something that is simply not mainstream.
A Gay relationship is a nonissue from a moral or ethical perspective.
But sexual imagery on screen is meant to entertain, to speak to that part of us that has that kind of attraction.
The majority of the viewers of Phase II do not have that attraction, and as a result, the scene becomes gratuitous by it’s nature.
Most people are repulsed by sexual acts or images that don’t turn us on, or appeal to us aesthetically.
Perhaps both the Gay and Straight communities misunderstand each other’s true positions, feelings and reasoning.
The 10 part web series preceeding Season 4.5 of BSG establishes a gay relationship between Felix Gaeta and another officer in the CIC.
It was established quickly in a natural moment, and was not a “big deal”.
It also worked dramatically, and introduced a plot element to the story.
This is how it should be done.
2
(doing my best Colonel Kintendent)
Ah ha, ha ha , ha ha, ha ha,…good one, old boy.
84
I meant Krintendent.
(doing my best Elvis)
Ah, why thankya, thankyaverymush!
Sex has ALWAYS been a part of Trek, but they’ve always kept it classy. Here’s hoping they continue the traidtion.
83:
What got my goat about “B&F” was that all the talk about an AIDS-centered episode was shattered by the actual episode, and comments on this site by the show’s runners that the concept was re-jigged into a “tolerance” ep rather than one about addressing apathy towards a lethal socially transmitted disease. That was the original intention.
It’s possible that, in the years since David Gerrold pitched the initial story, AIDS became less about urban homosexual men and drug users, and more about the devastation of native African populations. The initial ep became anachronistic quite quickly.
The ep comes off like “The Lights of Zetar,” where the relationship is annoying every time it rears its head.
83. OneBuckFilms – January 14, 2009
Thank goodness you’re straight, or you might have gone and written a whole essay on the topic that repulses you. Phew!
…
Speaking of sex and Trek, does anyone remember the Vulcan spirituality/sexuality music? It was like plucking on a double bass with some strings. Very cool. I believe it’s in “The Enterprise Incident.”
Yeah, it’s totally impossible that the love scene was clunky because it was a no-budget fan film featuring unpaid actors.
40: You’re a Star Trek fan and a man crush “ain’t right” to you? Come on.
I was promised Uhura breasts by the trailer, and Uhura breasts is what I demand when I go to see it in May.
If, by the end of the film, I haven’t even caught a glimpse of her nipples — I’m walking out.
Bah, people who seem to think Star Trek is a completely pure and innocent show and shouldn’t need to be ’sexified’ must never have seen the original series. Or TNG. Or…well, what the heck are those fans watching anyway?
Star Trek has always been about what it is to be human. Sex is a natural part of that. Lots of episodes have revolved around that fact.
It’s good that they say it won’t ‘cross the line’ I guess.
I know it isn’t but that lamp when turned the wrong way as it is in scene 2 looks like Zargon’s orb from the Diana Muldar episode where Chapel “kills” Spock.
Which one was that? I really cant remember.
Star Trek was airing at a time when a lot of television husbands and wives were still depicted sleeping in twin beds. For its time, I would suspect it was considered quite racy. For the most part, Kirk was written as debonaire and carefree, with a girl in every port. Women were sex objects to him because the real love of his life was the Enterprise.
THAT’S WHY WE CALL IT…. SHE
I would imagine Trek was considered very edgy, not just for the so-called good sex but especially for the unpleasant aspects such as Rand’s near rape, the manhandling and murder of Nona Tyree, and the forced kiss of Uhura and Kirk.
92 – Just don’t call ‘em “Uhuters.”
As for love interests, Carol Marcus is ret-conning. As per the show, his real romantic interests were the enigmatic Ruth, Dr Janet Wallace (who dumped him), and of course, Edith Keeler. Everyone else was window dressing.
Re: 96
Or U-hoo-haa’s
I guess Rayna 7 gets a nod, but it wasn’t really believable that Kirk would fall head over heals for an android in 20 minutes.
89 – Thank goodness you’re straight, or you might have gone and written a whole essay on the topic that repulses you. Phew!
I’m sure there’s a point to be made by that, but I’m not quite sure what it is.
Look, it’s simply something I want to skip past in the episode.
Star Trek is more about allegory than activism, and the whole sequence comes across as activism.
My reaction is my reaction, it is instinctive, and is not a judgement on the activity itself.
I’m simply being open as to how it comes across and why.
The Gorshin episode was pretty blunt for allegory.
“Nothing ‘crazy’ about jumping into bed with a green Rachel Nichols
”
Just love that. Haha
To # 5 – I hope you are joking. I would rather my daughter saw sex scenes than violence. There is enough of it in this world.
97 – Carol Marcus was simply someone never seen on screen before.
I wouldn’t characterize her as a Retcon, but a revealed relationship.
Uhura needs a futuristic bra. It should have LED displays on it and be shooting laser beams or something. Like a Borg bra.
#16-
I’d do Ryder if she’d just shave the moustache.
Is a “man crush” another way of saying “I’m not gay but I can appreciate another man’s looks”? If so, that’s just beyond silly.
Anyone who assumes that a man is gay just because he can appreciate another man’s looks is just plain sophomoric or worse, repressed. Grown-up heterosexual men *do* know what it takes for a man to be attractive… it’s what separates the men from the boys.
There’s only one clear-cut indication of homosexuality, and that is identifying as homosexual. No one should apologize for another person’s misplaced assumptions. All this “I’m not gay but…” stuff is immature.
“Of course sexy scenes are nothing new to Star Trek, especially on Star Trek Enterprise”
I thought ENT was the most sterile of the shows. The infamous “decon” scene from Broken Bow was forced and silly. Archer was into water polo, his dog, steak, and his dad’s legacy. Period. If he had been doing Hoshi on the side, it would have fleshed him out a lot more effectively (and Hoshi, too).
Voyager also missed an opportunity with Seven of Nine to zing things up a bit. Having her examine her newfound sexuality would have brought young boys in by the thousands.
Also, Janeway seemed quite content to run the ship with a lockbox over her own privates. I assume she has a great vibrator in her quarters.
DS9 had some fun. Terry Farrell exuded sex appeal as Dax. But the real surprise was Nana Visitor as “Mirror Kira Nerys.” I always thought Major Kira was a bore, but Visitor surprised me with her hot lesbian/bi narcissistic mirror-version. She was sexy, certifiably insane, and in control. And she wanted to have sex with ‘our’ Major Kira. It was definitely implied, and made her all the more bizarre and effective.
If Trek is about 430 people flying on 5 year missions in a big ship, sex has to be part of the mix. In the 23rd or 24th centuries, mankind should have evolved intellectually and emotionally enough to reduce the “taboo” aspect of sex. The Captain should be able to have a relationship with a crewmember without implications. Crewmembers should be jumping each other regularly.
Since “Star Trek” is a mass-market property in transition, it should keep that in mind.
I think Kirk’s propensity for casual sex with a variety of human and alien women is actually one of his character flaws. His inability to commit in a relationship probably dates back to the loss of his own family as a young man. By the time of STVI it was part of an in-joke. Of course if they write out the death of his family in their new timeline it could just mean that Kirk is a jerk and the sex is just there to titivate.
My only problem with this kind of malarky in a film is that I dont like the female characters to be categorised just as sex objects or love interests. There are plenty of male characters that don’t get no loving and I don’t see why the women have to be defined in this way.
OneBuckFilms – January 14, 2009
83 The reason, I think, is this:
- I am heterosexual, which means I am attracted to scenes depicting heterosexual activity.
- Seeing a homosexual act repulses me instinctively.
I am sure a Gay man watching the scene would find it a lovely scene, and may be repulsed by a heterosexual scene in the same manner.
LOL – Well, I’m gay and I would much rather they skipped any unnecesary sex scenes personally. I’d rather the characters’ sexuality is just part of the norm – an established off-screen husband or some such. I can appreciate a topless Alex Baldwin as much as the next sci fi actor. I don’t need to see boy on boy action to enjoy my sci fi.
Has Kirk ever really had a love scene with a green woman before this movie? I think people misremember the scene from The Menagerie as involving Kirk rather than Pike. The “other” Orion slave girl in the series was a mental patient and Kirk refused her advances.
110 “The “other” Orion slave girl in the series was a mental patient and Kirk refused her advances.”
Because that would have indeed been “crazy sex”.
Nothing new. Plenty of “bare midriffs” on the original show, right? There woulda been plenty else, had censors allowed for it. As it was there was some very sexy stuff, just coded.
109. I dunno, Chris Pine looks plenty objectified in that photo up there, too.
From the start, Roddenberry’s vision was an equal-opportunity objectifier. Men and women — Kirk and his babes both — were portrayed as objects of lust.
The question, will Uhura & other women be given weighty roles to balance out the bra shots?
“16. The Original Animated Next Generation Deep Space Voyager Enterprise – January 13, 2009
Winona Ryder…I don’t know…”
Wynona is as beautifull, sexy and lovable as the others in the list if not more!
108. AJ – “I thought ENT was the most sterile of the shows.”
Perhaps, but one of the sexiest scenes in any Trek episode was in Enterprise “Harbinger”, with Trip and T’Pol. The lead up to T’Pol literally jumping him was great, and Trip’s realization of where the conversation was headed was priceless.
108. AJ – “Voyager also missed an opportunity with Seven of Nine to zing things up a bit. ”
She did explore her sexuality in the last season, going so far as recreating Chakotay on the holodeck, then literally blowing a fuse when she became too excited. The episode “Someone to Watch Over Me”, where Seven tries dating, is one of my favorites.
Interesting how about 90% of these comments have been made by GUYS.
Green-skinned Orion slave girls have that effect on us! (slurp!)
Paul
Men are designed by nature to impregnate everything. Witness CHINA: every Chinese man is descended from Genghis Khan. The dominate bull takes all females. This is how nature works. Monogamy and one wife per man marriages are artificial constructs and should be abandoned. Consider that the medieval monks thought it was demons that made people lusty. Now we know that it’s glands, and genetics that determine lust.
Kirk’s girl in every port and port in every girl is NATURAL. He’s just being the man the rest of us wish we could be. Except Wilt Chamberlin. He was all he could be in that department.
How many of you men reading this now are henpecked? How many men are like me and would rather be divorced and alone than give in to a woman? And how many of you cat around like Kirk & Wilt? Or Kobe? Or whoever it is these days?
BTW: Carol & David are not a retcon, but the reason, “Kirk’s Pain” that drives him to be the best Starship captain ever.
He doesnt cat around because he misses Carol and doesn’t feel complete without her, he’s married to his ship because he transfers his unrequited love and absent son to his ship and crew.
That would be like me shagging a bird because I missed my high school sweetheart. I honestly never think about any other woman than the one I’m with at the time.
#117
“I honestly never think about any other woman than the one I’m with at the time”
Yes, but it begs the question, who are THEY thinking about when they’re with YOU?
oooooh Harry
But that’s why I like you
OK, Just saw “The Emissary” again, and I have to revise my vote. Any scene Worf and K’Ehleyr are in together is my favorite Trek love scene.
#120
Like it rough, eh?
I don’t see why sex can’t just be left out of film. Sure, it can be IMPLIED, but SHOWING it??
I prefer the notion of going to the movies as a clean, fun, family pastime, not a frickin’ “Dinner, Movie, and Sex” dating thing for young couples and married couples.
Oh, and in response to Comment #117 – I disagree with your sentiments on sex entirely.
And I think that someone being gay’s one of the worst evils in the world – It’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Pine looks good in his little blue BVDs. Looks like we might even be seeing some butt cleavage. Is Pine growing some pine in the front of his briefs? And look at his mouth – those lips are going to make first contact with her nipple in the next second. Nice. Too bad she’s still got her top on.
Whew!! Thank God – for a moment, I thought it was a sex scene between Kirk and Uhura!! – Whew! – OK, I can watch the movie now.
#124…So what if there were, i bet you would prefer it be the green bean?