“Jim Kirk was many things, but he was ‘never’ a boyscout!”—Carol Marcus

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“James Kirk is an iconic character of mythological status, the consumate hero….I want him to be born on a pedestal and stay there until he gets pushed off of that frakking bridge in Generations…”

He is indeed. But consider this.

“There’s a distinction to be made between heroes and gods, which I think we sometimes get confused about…Let me explain my theory of heroism. If a man jumps into a raging torrent to save a drowning child, he performs an heroic act. If the same man jumps into the same torrent to save the same child, but does so with a ball and chain attached to his leg, he’s not less heroic; he’s more heroic.
How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life…If you look at the heroes of antiquity and myth, they all have flaws. It’s something that they have to overcome; their flaws are something that they have to act in spite of. The challenge is not to defy your fate, but to endure it. That is heroic.”—-Nicholas Meyer, in explaining his view of Kirk as a mythological hero, and his justification for writing James Tiberius Kirk to be a man who is capable of cheating on a command test.

I think that Jim Kirk has already fallen from that “pedestal”. He is not perfect. If he was, he’d be less interesting (and perhaps even ‘less’ heroic. He should be even less perfect when we see him in what Orci describes as the “larval stage”, in my opinion.

Is he not a more hopeful and optimistic character if he “learns” to become the man we know him to be in TOS and beyond? I think so.

AJ#108- You would take me home and hold my hair back if I upchucked my LIITs, I just know it, you sweetie you.

Kirk likes his women beautiful, smart, awake, and consensual.

I’d guess that Bob’s Kirk has spent many an hour in the rural Iowan honky-tonks, and is simply going through the motions after a few drinks. His bike’s probably parked outside, too.

And, Denise, that’s not a “boy scout,” but how any man should act who has an ounce of civility. Kirk as we know him has it in spades.

That being said, someone else who went to the preview made an interesting observation when we chatted about it later. The cadets that come to Uhura’s defense actually didn’t seem to be Starfleet’s finest and actually came across as rather thuggish, especially the guy who appeared to be the leader of the posse.

And as for Harry… le giggle…

My rule of thumb is that if I have too many drinks one night, do something I deeply regret by the next day, feel embarrassed and ashamed by the memory of it, I have some more drinks until I forget what’s troubling me!

I was on assignment without net access, Liz…