Comments on: Early Review: Star Trek Countdown #1 – Prequel Comic To Star Trek Movie

By: kirk09

kirk09 — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:58:20 +0000

#155–actually its also possible that just as the 23rd century we’re gonna see in the new film isnt the one from the 1960s-1994, its also possible that the timeline nero and spock come from in the film as they go back in time is the very timeline formed as a result of spock’s intervention and therefore the elder spock we see in the film, though still played by leonard nimoy, is not the spock we’ve come to know so far but one very similar, but one who went to romulus 28 years earlier than the one we came to know previously…moreover, #159, it could also be that in this alternate timeline B-4, through the added memory port shinzon gave him, had an early flash of data (pun intended) in which he, not data, saved picard on the scimitar…or, and this leads into your statement #160, the alternate timeline 24th century spock and nero come from could in fact be an alternate of the yesterdays enterprise timeline….

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:37:46 +0000

#159—The problem with that theory is that Data is depicted as being in command of that ship in the original timeline (noting of course that Data is not an actual character depicted in the film—only the comic prequel). These events (depicted in the comics) precede the actions taken which eventually alter the timeline (or simply create a new one, depending upon your view of the actual application of quantum theory in Star Trek).

It still isn’t a reboot, since previous continuity is not discarded, but is–in fact–essential to the story. This “alternate timeline” can never be created without everything we know as ‘canon’ forming the very timeline which leads the story to that point. The moment the “post-Nemesis timeline” is depicted in the beginning of the film, all previous continuity is acknowledged. It therefore cannot be discarded as something no longer relevant to the broader mythos. It remains not only relevant, but absolutely essential.

By: serial commenter

serial commenter — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:18:49 +0000

SPOILER ALERT
As for “Data” commanding the Enterprise E in a parallel (or as like calling it: Anti – Time Future) Universe Captain Picard wasn’t saved by data, Henceforth Data commanding the Enterprise E and not Picard…
By the way this theory of mine consists with the basic concept of the directors and producers of the film which says: well it is not Rebooting it is simply Reimagining…(and what a better way rather than this parallel universe plot…)

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:45:37 +0000

“…correct that era?”

Error (pun absolutely intended)…sorry.

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:44:13 +0000

#156—”Has an official source (IDW, Paramount, Orci, Kurtzman etc.) comfirmed it is indeed only 8 years after Nemesis? Or are we just converting Stardates to years and going from there?”

I get the impression that it was the latter case.

Here is what the Trekmovie article suggests:

“As reported, the comic series starts off after the events of Star Trek Nemesis. The Stardate given is 64333.4, around eight years after Nemesis (Stardate 56893.5).”

I wasn’t able to find any other reasoning behind that assumption.

“Maybe JJ and team threw out the old Stardate standards and have started their own system.”

Possible. It could also be that the writers (Mike Johnson and Tim Jones) are simply not aware of the conversion system that began with productions in the TNG-era.

But then the question would be—why didn’t Bob and Alex look over the final draft of the comic and correct that era?

I think it is best (at least for me) to resolve that “this is just a comic book”, and only what is depicted in the film really matters. For my purposes, the comic book prequels will only serve to tell me who this character (Nero) is and how he is connected to Spock, otherwise, it is indeed a separate entity.

By: Admiral_BlackCat

Admiral_BlackCat — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:17:18 +0000

155
I agree and don’t consider Countdown to be canon. However it will be odd if a prequel comic that is supposed to tie directly into the movie states one thing while the movie could contradict it by stating something else. i.e. the stardate before Spock leaves the Prime Timeline or even if he has lived on Romulus less than 40 years.

Has an official source (IDW, Paramount, Orci, Kurtzman etc.) comfirmed it is indeed only 8 years after Nemesis? Or are we just converting Stardates to years and going from there? Maybe JJ and team threw out the old Stardate standards and have started their own system.

Then again the amount of time Spock has spent on Romulus probably won’t be in the movie, therefore never comfirmed into canon and he could have lived there for 80 years and all would be okay. :P

By: Closettrekker

Closettrekker — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:36:09 +0000

#153—”Has Spock really been on Romulus for 40 years?”

If you take the comic prequel as canon, then I suppose that he has. According to MA, the events depicted in Nemesis (2379) are 11 years after TNG’s “Unification I”, and “Unification II” (2368).

So then, obviously, that places the comic (issue #1) story in 2408—29 years after Nemesis.

I wonder, though, why we have been told before that the story takes place only roughly 8 years after Nemesis.

Perhaps the film begins at that point (2387), and not necessarily the comic story (2408). Or perhaps the comic print is in error. Or maybe the film’s story just begins far later than had initially been suggested.

In any case, I have never considered any comic books to be canon. Therefore, unless the film actually suggests that Spock has been on Romulus for 40 years, I’m not going to take that as absolute. Instead, I’ll wait and see what the film itself suggests in the dialogue.

By: DEWLine

DEWLine — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:58:48 +0000

Sarek would indeed have stated his pride at Spock’s achievements in diplomacy. He wouldn’t have called it “pride”, though.

“Satisfaction, both professional and personal”? That would be Sarek’s choice of phrasing.

By: Admiral_BlackCat

Admiral_BlackCat — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:39:37 +0000

Has Spock really been on Romulus for 40 years? If so then the stardate makes no sense. Unless it is a Romulan Stardate based completely different standards/measurements of time than Federation/Starfleet Stardates. If this is the case I hope it become obvious at some point in the next 3 comics.
Otherwise the writers either a) are ignorant about current stardate conversion standards b) decided there is no way to accurately calculate stardates with years/months/days and conciously made up their own or c) are rewriting TNG history as to when Spock first arrived on Romulus.

I’m personally going with Romulan Stardate and believe Spock has been there 40 years, meaning these events take place approx. 27 years after Nemesis.

But then why would Spock the Federation Ambassador be using Romulan Stardates if he’s an active member of the Federation… When in Rome I guess…

By: captain_neill

captain_neill — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:17:37 +0000

I read the comic yesterday, the dialogue was a bit clunky but I liked it.

I like how this will try to make the new movie canon. I will see how it plays out but it had a great start. Curious about Data since I thought he was dead, it must be B4 with Data’s memories as hinted at end of nemesis

I will prefer to treat it as separate entity as I still not keen on idea of timeline being changed without a restore. Afdter reading the comic and seeing the posters in my cinema I started to get excited.

Granted it is not our Star Trek but it is Star Trek back on the big screen. Although I have my concerns with the changes I think it will still be a good film.