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TrekMovie.com Celebrates Martin Luther King Day January 19, 2009

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Today is Martin Luther King Day, a day when Americans celebrate the life of civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. And today TrekMovie takes a look at how the man and his message impacted the world of Star Trek.

 

MLK helps Uhura
The most direct connection of Dr. Martin Luther King to Star Trek, comes in a story often told by Nichelle Nichols, about how he helped convince her to stay on The Original Series, due to how important it was that she be there. See video of her telling the story at the Star Trek 30th Anniversary special in 1996.

MLK and IDIC
Dr. King was never referenced directly on a Star Trek episode, although there was an image from the civil rights movement that appeared in the ‘restored’ timeline at the end of the Temporal Cold War in the Enterprise episode "Storm Front, Part 2." Regardless, the philosophy of IDIC (infinite diversity in infinite combinations) flows through the over four decades of Star Trek.


Timeline restored – along with Civil Rights movement in "Cold Front, Part 2"

The issues of civil rights and racism were confronted head on, starting back with The Original Series, which began during the civil rights era. As noted by Nichelle Nichols, the casting of the show itself embodied Dr. King’s message of equality. In addition to the main cast, people of color were regularly cast in guest roles, often in positions of respect or authority. Issues of race and equality were regular themes in Star Trek and  The Original Series is also cited for breaking ground for having the TV’s first interracial kiss, in the episode "Plato’s Stepchildren." The episode that most overtly took on the subject was "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" which showed the futility of fighting over race.


Scene mocking racism in "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"

Messages of equality and the struggle for civil rights continued in future incarnations of Trek both in storylines and in casting. Later shows brought in an African American (Avery Brooks as Benjamin Sisko in DS9) and a woman (Kate Mulgrew as Kathryn Janeway in Voyager) as Star Trek captains. Many episodes in the post TOS years confronted the issues of racism and equality, such as DS9’s "Far Beyond the Stars" to Enterprise’s "Stigma." Trek even tackled the notion of ‘sentient rights’ for androids and holograms in TNG’s "Measure of a Man" and Voyager’s "Author, Author."


Trek tackles what makes a man in "Measure of a Man"

This week the United States will be inaugurating not only its first Trekkie president, but its first African-American president, Barack Obama, who once said "I grew up on Star Trek. I believe in the final frontier." Perhaps President-elect Obama was one of those children of the 60s that Dr. King spoke to Nichelle about — one of those kids who saw in Star Trek a future that was truly the fulfillment of his dream that one day people would be judged "not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

 

Comments

1. Marcio Henrique - Uberlandia-MG-BRAZIL - January 19, 2009

Great man, great message to the world! First !

2. George - January 19, 2009

It looks like his dream is becoming reality. I look back on how the world has changed from the time I was a child to today and see great changes but also see that we still as a species still have a lot of work to do.

3. Holger - January 19, 2009

Great choice of clips! Nichelle Nichols recap of her encounter with Dr. King is just wonderful.

The Bele clip is from the unremastered episode, though! ;-)

4. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - January 19, 2009

Well. Dr. King was a Trekkie and that was so kool. he was a great man who Simply had a Dream and that dream will be fullfield Tommorow as we will have not only a new presedent but a Black Presedent. This Country has come a long way and it looks as thogh Genes vision as well is getting closer. May presedent Elect Obama Live Long and Prosper and may Gene Roddenberrys Vision and Dr. Kings Dream come True.

5. T.U.M. - January 19, 2009

I always get chills during Picard’s summation in “The Measure of a Man.”

6. Denise de Arman - January 19, 2009

I love Nichelle’s story of her talk with MLK. He knew it was important to our culture to keep her on the bridge of the Enterprise, and that shows what a visionary he truly was. Somehow I think he knows today that Obama is poised to become our first African-American president.

7. charliebob - January 19, 2009

Dr. King had a dream, and it’s great to see that dream coming true in such a fantastic fashion.
Some people hate them, but I always loved the episodes where Star Trek tried to make an important point such as tackling racisim.
Let’s hope that President-Elect Obama really does live up to his promise of change. And lets hope it’s change for the better. He has a big promise to fufill!

8. CmdrR - January 19, 2009

“…Barack Obama, who once said “I grew up on Star Trek. I believe in the final frontier.”

Finally… one of us in the White House.

;-)

Sorry — had to!

9. Iowagirl - January 19, 2009

I’ve always admired TOS for taking up controversial issues such as racism. After all, equality was and still is science fiction.

MLK was and will always be such a model role and guide for all people; and the fact that he had such a strong connection with TOS and believed in its significance is just fantastic.

All the best for Obama’s presidency!

10. Dr. Image - January 19, 2009

#8 – Yeah, well we’ll see if he puts up, or shuts DOWN our hopes in space.

Happy MLK day.
IDIC.

11. Brodie - January 19, 2009

There’s been “one of us” in the White House since the founding of this nation, Obama will be no different. Are people happy because a skin color will be President tomorrow? If so, they miss entirely the point of Rev. King’s hopes and dreams. Is it the man or the skin?

12. neonknights - January 19, 2009

Finally a non-remastered clip of TOS (as it should be)! :-) Happy Martin Luther King Day!

13. FedconMC - January 19, 2009

As an African American, I still see that we have a long long way to go but this is a fantastic continuation of our fight, struggles, advances and definitely our successes so I shall remain on the positive.

There are no words to describe my love for MLK so I shall not try, but traveling the world as often as I do brings about a new hope that previous administrations could not come close to visualizing for the population of this planet.

STAR TREK tried and in some part showed us that discrimination amongst any race of people never brings about acheivement but failure for those who choose to exercise it. MLK sought nonviolent communication only to be met by violent consequences but his torch was taken up by many including those who frequent this board.

I can only hope that before I die, we have had yet another President of color in this country and that Gene’s dream of infinite diversity in infinite combinations can executed withour regret.

MLK/Obama/Nichelle/Levar Burton/Michael Dorn/Avery Brooks/Cirroc Lofton/George Takei/Anthony Montgomery/Linda Parks/Whoopie Goldberg/Garrett Wang/Tim Russ and all those members representing peace and tranquilty in a world of constant turmoil, I salute you.

Marc B. Lee

14. AdamTrek - January 19, 2009

If Obama believes in the final frontier, let’s see what he does with NASA in the months and years ahead.

=A=

15. Jason P Hunt - co-creator of COMET TALES - January 19, 2009

I think Brodie has a point, that Dr. King’s dream wasn’t that a black man get a position of authority, but that it wouldn’t matter at all what the man (or woman) looked like. The true measure of a man is still what’s inside, and a lot of people (especially those in the affirmative action movement) keep focusing on the wrong thing. I don’t care that Obama is black. I don’t care that he’s of mixed parentage. I don’t care that he’s a TREK fan. I care what his character will do to influence his decisions that will affect this country.

That has yet to be measured. I truly hope he’ll do what’s best for the country, but let’s stay realistic and wait for results. Dr. King wouldn’t blindly follow anyone. And I don’t think he’d want anyone else to, either.

16. sean - January 19, 2009

#5

Me too buddy! His conversation with Guinan is chilling as well.

“Consider that in the history of many worlds there have always been disposable creatures. They do the dirty work. They do the work that no one else wants to do, because it’s too difficult or too hazardous. And an army of Datas, all disposable? You don’t have to think about their welfare; you don’t think about how they feel. Whole generations of disposable people.”

“You’re talking about slavery.”

“I think that’s a little harsh.”

“I don’t think that’s a little harsh, I think that’s the truth. But that’s a truth that we have obscured behind a… comfortable, easy euphemism. ‘Property.’ But that’s not the issue at all, is it?”

17. sean - January 19, 2009

#10, 14

Personally, I think we have much bigger problems to deal with before we get around to NASA.

18. Closettrekker - January 19, 2009

#17—Definitely.

A war on two fronts, an economy headed in the wrong direction, crisis in the rising costs of healthcare, a lack of available funds for business and mortage loans at affordable rates, etc.

I would say that NASA is, unfortunately, pretty far down the priority list.

The only thing which can drive NASA back into the forefront is fear of the Chinese, and a plan to convince the President and Congress that NASA can become a realistic driving force for the creation of a significant number of jobs. Easier said than done.

NASA would do well to sell itself more as a deserving beneficiary of some the nation’s defense budget, IMO.

19. OneBuckFilms - January 19, 2009

16 – Measure of a Man is a fantastic allegory for how Slavery was thought of at the time.

That kind of bigotry and evil shames all who ever supported, condoned or enforced.

We have come so far as a civilisation since then. We have the first black President being sworn in tomorrow, and his “race” was never an issue for most americans at the voting booth.

To those who think we have a long long way to go, I don’t believe we have as far to go as many think.

Racism is now rightly seen as the antisocial point of view of whackjobs such as the Ayrian Brotherhood, rather than the majority opinion that persisted until the 50s and early 60s.

We’re not perfect, but we are very close.

20. Trek Nerd Central - January 19, 2009

#17, #19. Amen!

#20. You know, you make a good point. I’m not a person of color, so I can’t put myself in any African-American’s shoes. And I would never suggest that we the people are “colorblind” or “post-racial.”

But I look at how my kids view the world, and I am amazed & grateful at how far we’ve come since my own childhood. To them race is no big deal. They have friends of every skin color, which they regard as just another physical characteristic — like eye or hair color. They notice it, but it isn’t loaded; it doesn’t mean anything other than what it is.

By and large, this generation truly does judge others not “by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. . . ”

That, to me, is the big wow.

21. Green-Blooded-Bastard - January 19, 2009

He (Picard) could have even gone a step further and pointed a phaser at Data, and when he recoiled it would have been proof of the ego present in him, the self-preservation mechanism present in most if not all living, conscious organisms.

Tomorrow will indeed be a most significant day in history. I hope it will not be lost on the younger generation. Incredibly, a couple of the kids I spoke with don’t see what the big deal is. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing, perhaps a bit of both.

22. Canon Schmanon - January 19, 2009

Let’s not forget that Dr. King also supported economic equality. His dream was about more than race and is only partly fulfilled. We still have a long way to go toward achieving an MLK model of society. God bless him and his vision!

23. thebiggfrogg - January 19, 2009

#8 and #11:
I believe one of us is referring to a “Trekkie” given the quote above.
However, the “one of us” in the White House is easy to see as a white American. A color blind society is a goal and we ain’t there yet. Hopefully this is a step and King’s ideas of the “content of our character” will be fully realized, but that isn’t today. Until then, yes it does matter, that an African-American man will be president. Like it or not the road to color blindness is through color consciousness. You can’t shut off a few hundred years of history like it were a light switch.

BTW, “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” was brilliant and a perfect example of where Trek’s low budget sci-fi actually made the plot stronger. The ridiculous makeup was a perfect allegory for the ridiculous concept of race. Kirk’s blindness to the “difference” and the aliens adamance of its self-evidence and relevance were well played. Aliens more subtly made up would not have made the point nearly so well. So, props to TOS’s grease paint and plaster of paris!

24. justcorbly - January 19, 2009

The kind of human society depicted by Trek, without which Starfleet or even space travel would not be conceivable, is the kind of society King labored for and dreamed of, especially in the last few years of his life. King knew that true freedom and true prosperity require more than the enforcement of civil rights laws. They require peace and social and economic justice. Roddenberry’s vision of that future Earth is much in keeping with King’s vision.

25. Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire - January 19, 2009

#13. You forgot Don Marshall who was on the Tos Episode The Gallieo 7. he did a great job of acting and being black on a 60s Show yet he was a great Figure of a leader. This Country has Come a long way. It may take a bit more time but with presedent Elect Obama being Sworn in on Tuesday i think things will realy get better even faster.So once again i Say to Presdent Elect Obama. LIVE LONG AND PROSPER.

26. Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire - January 19, 2009

I kinda Wonder if Dr. King and Gene Roddenberry ever met. Does Anyone out there know. Hey Anthony Can you do some checking for us and let us know.

27. John Trumbull - January 19, 2009

From what I understand, Nichelle Nichols’ MLK story has grown in the telling over the years. It started as her imagining a conversation with Dr. King when telling the story at conventions. Then it turned into a phone call. Ultimately, it became a chance encounter with him in person.

Still a neat story, though.

28. Rainbucket - January 19, 2009

#11 and #15, you completely missed the point.

“One of us in the White House” meant a Trekkie.

Presumably anyone who reads this site is a Trekkie. The quote was Obama growing up on Star Trek. He’s one of us.

Let go of your hate. The straw man won’t hurt you.

29. Enterprise - January 19, 2009

No mention of Benny Russel?

30. I am not Herbert - January 19, 2009

Happy Birthday Rev. Dr. King!!! You were a great man, and we owe much to your sacrifice. We will keep the dream alive!!

But we are still a country where people are still not treated equally, simply because of who they are and who they choose to love.

The struggle continues for gay rights, women’s rights, animal rights; environmental, social and economic justice…

Thank God Almighty!! that your dream lives on in our Trekker President, Barack Obama!

31. Trek Nerd Central - January 19, 2009

#27 Really? From the start I seem to remember the story being a brief but in in-the-flesh chat with him in which he urged her not to quit.

32. REDBELLPEPPERS - January 19, 2009

First of all IDIC is a fraud- only limited diversity and limited combinations will ever be tolerated. The only things that will ever change is what is tolerable now will be intolerable tomorrow; what was intolerable yesterday is now tolerable. Nothing has equal acceptance, now will it ever be.

Second, Uhura is more of an embodiment of King’s ideals than Barak Obama. The bridge of the Enterprise had achieved the utopian color blindedness… however, Obama is all about skin color. As long as he keeps making race an issue- as long as he keeps making skin color an issue- as long as we keep regarding this election as historic- as long as we keep saying “America’s first black President”- then we prove that we have not yet achieved Kings goals.

Ironic- that those in our society who grants King near sainthood status- these same people still look at skin color over content of character, which is what their own revered King desired to eliminate.

33. Closettrekker - January 19, 2009

#21—“Tomorrow will indeed be a most significant day in history. I hope it will not be lost on the younger generation. Incredibly, a couple of the kids I spoke with don’t see what the big deal is. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing, perhaps a bit of both.”

I think it is a bigger victory over some of the social ills which have plagued this nation if it isn’t a big deal at all to them. The perception that skin color makes any difference whatsoever is not a natural instinct, but something which is taught. The more kids around who do not find it significant speaks well of the prior generation too.

It will only completely go away when people stop talking about it. I hope that he isn’t referred to as a “black” or “African-American” President for his entire term of office. That would be sad.

34. Trekmademewonder - January 19, 2009

I just hope he stops the spending. The colors to really worry about are those pricey, interest bearing, green (not) federal reserve notes.

35. subatoi - January 19, 2009

There’s also the Goldberg story that she saw Nichols on TV and called her mom to see that “there’s a black woman on TV and she’s not a maid!”. Excellent story.

36. I am not Herbert - January 19, 2009

I hope he stops the spending on WAR!

Peace and Long Life

37. I am not Herbert - January 19, 2009

32. REDBELLPEPPERS

EVERYTHING you stated is wrong, assuming, pessimistic, divisive and just flat-out incorrect, to the extent of being racist.

38. OneBuckFilms - January 19, 2009

20 – Most people are like those children today. Race is not an issue to me, or most people I’ve encountered.

This is a very good thing.

39. Anthony Pascale - January 19, 2009

OK lets not get into another heated political debate here ok

40. Brett Campbell - January 19, 2009

Nice to see that Dr. King’s dream is slowly but surely becoming a reality, and that Mr. Roddenberry’s vision is also helping it along the way.

Let’s hope that Trek in May ’09 boosts even greater optimism in our potential, our spirit and our future.

Happy MLK day everyone, and happy inauguration day tomorrow.

41. Closettrekker - January 19, 2009

#37—I thought that the post in #32 might be a bit cynical, but certainly not the way you characterize it.

In fact, I also expressed hope that the media (and everyone else) will soon desist from constantly referring to him as a “black” or “African-American” President. If anything has the potential to become divisive, it’s probably that constant distinction.

Back in November, the people of the United States elected a man to the Presidency who happens to be the first non-anglo/caucasian to be so honored. That was where the significance was.

Tommorow, we have a new President—the color of his skin needs to stop being an issue before America can begin to move on.

Uhura was never “the black communications officer”. She was the communications officer.

Obama will be our new President. The longer he is referred to as a “black” President, the longer a disservice is being done to him, IMO.

42. I am not Herbert - January 19, 2009

Obama’s race should not be an issue? OBVIOUSLY NOT

Not to acknowledge his historical significance? RIDICULOUS

43. cd - January 19, 2009

#17, #18 – If you think you have to fix everything else before we really go into space, we will never get there. For this world to grow, it has to be focused on the next horizon, the next goal, the next frontier. We must move forward, or we will fall backward. We must do it while we are fixing everything else, in fact, the pursuit of space will help us with find ways to resolve our problems here. We will figure out the technology, the power, and the way for different people to work together. Now, even more than ever, we need to go to space.

44. Brett Campbell - January 19, 2009

41 – Wise commentary and perspective.

45. krikzil (aka Lixy) - January 19, 2009

I know as a biracial woman, this past election season really lifted my spirit — a woman and a biracial man running for the Dem ticket, then a woman VP contender. I hoped but really did not think I’d see in my lifetime. It’s one of the things I so enjoyed in Star Trek vision of the future — race and gender don’t matter.

46. Xai - January 19, 2009

A Trekkie President… so cool.

47. NoonienSpock - January 19, 2009

Full agreement with #42

(Speaking as an American, black, female, traditional undergrad…) This 44th presidency is significant in the context of the American narrative. Even if ‘race’ is not a ‘big deal’ that affects everyday interactions for many people my age, they should still be able to appreciate a milestone like this objectively.

They should be able to empathize with the experiences of others.There are a significant number of people alive today who never thought they’d see a black person become President, like my grandmother, who was raised in Alabama by her formerly enslaved grandmother. They should be interacting with people of other generations.

Simply put: if you don’t care, if it’s not a big deal to you, you don’t know enough. Read about it a bit more or talk to some older Americans. Many things beyond your own personal experience are still important.

48. FEDCONMC - January 19, 2009

@47: Well said. I encounter ignorance and indifference everyday and it still shock and awes me. Those who refuse to remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

49. I am not Herbert - January 19, 2009

Yes, this is probably THE biggest problem with America (U.S.of): Too many of us can not or will not EMPATHIZE.

Yes, we need to educate and inform ourselves too; then the fear will disappear.

50. Lennier - January 19, 2009

That would be “Storm Front Part II”; not “Cold Front Part II”.

51. Trekmademewonder - January 19, 2009

48. FEDCONMC

Did you just quote Aleister Crowley?

52. Penhall - January 20, 2009

Always gotta inject your political views onto this site, huh? And BTW, just because someone mentions in passing that they watched Star Trek as a kid, it doesnt make them a Trekkie.

53. krikzil - January 20, 2009

#52–I think a case can be made for him being a fan. According to the NY Post:

October 1, 2008 —

…Leonard Nimoy was at a recent Barack Obama event when the candidate spotted him in the crowd and acknowledged Mr. Spock with the Vulcan hand signal.

54. El Chup - January 20, 2009

In terms of “first Trekkie president”, Clinton was also a fan apparently…..

55. Closettrekker - January 20, 2009

#54—Actually, so was Ronald Reagan, although he apparently didn’t think much of STIII: TSFS.

56. Closettrekker - January 20, 2009

#47—“Full agreement with #42″

Really?

So you agree that #32 is divisive and a racist?

I certainly hope not. That’s not the way I read it at all.

What I read said to me that true “color blindness” is a better prospect than the constant qualifications of men and women as “black such and such”, and “white such and such”, etc.

“Simply put: if you don’t care, if it’s not a big deal to you, you don’t know enough.”

It certainly is a big deal that America has proven that it is willing to elect a leader of bi-racial heritage. As a man with a degree in history, I absolutely understand the historical significance of that election.

But there is far more at stake than mere historical significance.

My point is simply that it will be unfortunate if President Obama is continually referred to as a “black” President, rather than the 44th President Of The United States. Being “historically significant” is fine, but it will not make his decisions any easier. It will not make America’s enemies or potential enemies any weaker. It will not save and create jobs. It will not make health care costs more affordable.

Is the point not to elect the best potential leader, ‘regardless’ of skin color?

My own hope is that his racial heritage will one day be a mere footnote to history. Personally, I hope he will be the great leader (not “black” leader) that so many apparently believed him capable to be.

God help us if he is merely remembered as the “first African-American President”.

57. OneBuckFilms - January 20, 2009

56 – Well said.

His ability to lead this nation has nothing to do with skin pigmentation.

58. Trek Nerd Central - January 20, 2009

#38. Amen, brother.

59. John from Cincinnati - January 20, 2009

Here’s to the new era of optimism and an end to cynicism!

What took so long?

60. Closettrekker - January 20, 2009

#59—We’ve all been sitting around, waiting for the Eugenics Wars.

:)

61. subatoi - January 20, 2009

There’s another issue in Trek – a scene not included eventually on ST V, with a female Afro-American on Mount Rushmore:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Mount_Rushmore_National_Memorial

62. Closettrekker - January 20, 2009

#61—I try to avoid STV: The Great Trek Turd Of ’89, so forgive me for never having seen the dvd special features.

But my immediate question is, how is it ever to be made clear that the female in question is African-American? Has color been added to Mt. Rushmore by the 23rd Century, or is the carving given some stereotypical features which are meant to suggest a particular racial background?

63. I am not Herbert - January 20, 2009

56. Closettrekker:

You are the only one here who is repeatedly harping on Pres. Obama’s race.

If you don’t want it be an issue, don’t make it an issue.

Don’t deny him his blackness, and don’t deny the black community his blackness.

He’s only been President for 3 hours now; to assume that he will be known or referred to as our Black President is idiotic. (not to mention racist)

64. I am not Herbert - January 20, 2009

62. Closettrekker: “how is it ever to be made clear that the female in question is African-American?”

simply click the link provided

and FYI: she has an Afro, not blackface

65. subatoi - January 20, 2009

#62 – I guess it’s based on some inside (behind the scenes) info or something, about the planned scene. I guess.

66. Closettrekker - January 20, 2009

#63—“He’s only been President for 3 hours now; to assume that he will be known or referred to as our Black President is idiotic. (not to mention racist)”

You seem to have some difficulty with reading comprehension.

I never made that ‘assumption’. I expressed the hope that he will be remembered for far more, and that’s hardly the same thing.

That is not idiotic, and it isn’t even close to being racist. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from calling everyone that who has a differing perspective than you. That is very offensive, and it is very irresponsible to throw around that term.

You seem to be the only person who interprets my comments that way.

Most everyone else seems to get it.

67. Closettrekker - January 20, 2009

#64—“simply click the link provided”

That link does not go to a photograph.

“she has an Afro, not blackface”

Thanks. That was easy.

68. Charley W - January 20, 2009

#62- It’s a nice idea, but as was mentioned when people were talking about Reagan being put on Mt Rushmore when he left office, there’s no room for an additional face on the mountain. Realize that where the female image is in the Memory Alpha pic is where Jefferson’s bust originally started, until the whole area collapsed. If you’re at the monument, look closely at the area left of Washington- you can still see some spots with carving of Jefferson’s shirt.

69. Charley W - January 20, 2009

I’m surprised no one has brought up one of the real telling moments in Trek- in “The Savage Curtain”, when Lincoln calls Uhura ” a charming negress”, then apologizes. She matter-of-factly replies that they have learned that names aren’t important; basically saying “no offense meant, none taken”. How different that is from nowadays, when you can’t say ANYTHING anymore without SOMEBODY getting offended by it. I was listening to a NPR special the other day where one of the panelists was complaining that there wasn’t ENOUGH play on the racial issue.

We reach the Trek-type future not with Obama, but with the SECOND (or third or ,,,) African-American (or female or Asian or ,,,) elected, when the race is not an issue at all. Not when all the cell phones look like Starfleet communicators.

70. I am not Herbert - January 20, 2009

66. Closettrekker: That assumption is your thesis, and I stand by my evaluation of it. I’m sorry to have offended you; perhaps “racist” IS the wrong word though, I use it in reference to discrimination on the basis of race. I suppose I should have said “racially discriminatory” instead.

71. Charley W - January 20, 2009

In rereading my comment (#69, above), I really should have used the word ‘labels’ rather than ‘names’ in referring to Uhura’s reaction. I don’t think it’s what Uhura actually says, but it gets across the idea better than my original choice. so it should read:

“…She matter-of-factly replies that they have learned that [labels] aren’t important; basically saying ‘no offense meant, none taken’. ..”

72. Closettrekker - January 20, 2009

#70—“I use it in reference to discrimination on the basis of race.”

I would agree completely with that definition. However, I am arguing ‘against’ such distinctions being made—not in support of them.

I don’t see how you can read my posts here on the subject and conclude otherwise.

“That assumption is your thesis, and I stand by my evaluation of it. ”

No, it isn’t. This is the crux of what I am saying. Hopefully, it will be clear for you this time.

My hope is that one day soon, there will be no need to distinguish a man or woman by prefacing his/her title with the words “black”, “white”, or any other term which highlights our different physical characteristics.

I don’t feel he should be treated or looked upon differently because of the color of his skin.

That is the very opposite of racism. Is it not?

This is the society (the one I hope for) that Star Trek portrays.

Not once on this thread have I made any “assumptions”, idiotic or otherwise. I expressed a hope that it will not happen. That isn’t the same thing, is it?

73. subatoi - January 20, 2009

#67 – The picture doesn’t always open, for some reason. Here’s a link directly to the pic:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Mount_Rushmore_2287.jpg
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PLUS – more thoughts of today (that I also wrote on our site) – -There was a story once that Roddenberry wanted a female black captain on TOS, and of course he did’nt get it. About 30 years later he (we) got it, the first half was Sisko, the second was of course Janeway.
Today we saw the first half of the Rushmore vision coming true.

AND, on today’s ceremony, there was a piece from the famous (sci-fi) composer John Wiliams, played be a team, like the TOS crew, from some parts of the human race – an Afro-American, a Chinese-French, a Venezuelan and a Jewish. A nice pic here:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/a-new-williams-work-for-a-momentous-occasion/
Beautiful.

74. I am not Herbert - January 20, 2009

I DO agree with your main sentiment, as it has been distilled down; I just find the supposition that it is based on ridiculous.

BUT, for now, let us all take pride in electing the First BLACK President in history!!!

Why is it historical? Because he’s BLACK.

Not to acknowledge his historical significance? RIDICULOUS

75. NoonienSpock - January 20, 2009

#74 gets my endorsement again

@56/Closettrekker

If you’re arguing that people shouldn’t be called ‘black’, I don’t agree.

Slaves in the US and (most of) their descendants, because of skin color (and laws regarding it) were not accepted into American society like others who came to this continent (despite being here longer than the Irish, for example). Instead, they remained a very visible minority over time, ostracized like ‘perpetual immigrants’ (ironically, most unknowing of ethnic or geographical family origin in Africa). Being pushed into a separate caste for so long, they formed communities and a unique American culture: ‘black’ culture. Thus, ‘black people’ who have a shared history in this country.

Color-blindness (re: ‘race’) is a running joke on the Colbert Report… because the notion is preposterous. Sighted persons perceive differences in skin color, facial features, and hair texture and, consciously or unconsciously, make judgments of strangers every day based on prior experiences.

MLK would have intended that examination of character TRUMP superficial assessment–as the elimination of initial judgments is actually… impossible. ‘Color-blindness’ is too literal an interpretation of his dream.

Barack Obama is the first black President, the first American President who is black. It’s just true.

He succeeded in spite of the myriad negative connotations of blackness and institutional biases which are and have been present in American society. This achievement, previously thought to be far off, or even impossible, happened, and that’s a big deal! And a nice thing to see!

Even when we reach your future where color doesn’t have connotations, Obama’s ELECTION will be seen as a milestone in our checkered past–like women’s suffrage or something. (Whether his actual PRESIDENCY will be remarkable has little to do with his race.*sigh* Semantics.)

76. Christine - January 20, 2009

Wow… Nichelle Nichols /met/ MLK… Wow…

That’s SO COOL!!

Martin Luther King, Jr., is one of my TOP, TOP, TOP role models. I think he’s just the greatest, and Barack Obama is definitely one of my huge inspirations. He, MLK, Nichelle Nichols, and others like them, are living proof that you can do /anything/… Ya just gotta have faith of the heart!!

77. Closettrekker - January 21, 2009

#75—“If you’re arguing that people shouldn’t be called ‘black’, I don’t agree.”

You may disagree, but my hope remains that one day, such distinctions will not be necessary.

I have no problem with opposing viewpoints, so long as I am not labeled a “racist” for merely having one myself.

” ‘ Color-blindness’ is too literal an interpretation of his dream.”

‘Taken’ literally—-sure.

But the use of that term is more metaphorical in this context, suggesting that skin color will be seen as a rather irrelevant afterthought in my (and Star Trek’s) optimistic vision of the future.

“He succeeded in spite of the myriad negative connotations of blackness and institutional biases which are and have been present in American society.”

Or perhaps the obstacles you describe are not as prevalent today as many people still believed they remained before the election. We are all keenly aware that such problems have plagued this country in the past, but given the “landslide” outcome of the election, it is obvious to me that such predjudices are long gone from the mainstream. It should be obvious to you as well.

The very fact that Americans– of African, European, Asian, Middle Eastern, and Latin descent, felt perfectly comfortable making Barack Obama the single most important person in our nation’s government speaks for itself. There can be no higher political honor bestowed upon an American.

“Whether his actual PRESIDENCY will be remarkable has little to do with his race.”

Little? I submit that it has ‘nothing’ to do with his race…

78. I am not Herbert - January 21, 2009

*SIGH* Your need to “win” is depressing… =(

79. Closettrekker - January 21, 2009

#78—There is no “winner” in a discusssion like that…only different viewpoints to express and consider.

It isn’t a contest.

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