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	<title>Comments on: Blu-ray Update: TOS Season 1 + TOS Movies Coming May 2009</title>
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		<title>By: C. Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t anyone from Paramount ever want to talk about the deleted scenes from Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock &amp; Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home.  These two had the most scenes deleted from any other Trek films.  It just enfuriates me, Paramount still continues to do this. I&#039;ve been waiting for such a long time to see both of these films unaltered in their original ways. They probably told Leonard Nimoy that the films had to be changed after they both hit the big screen. This was back in the 80&#039;s. Since the two films ran for nearly 3-hours,  they probably felt that they could not fit the two films on VHS tape and the same for the earlier versions of LaserDiscs. They cut an extended amount of footage from each of the two films. Sadly, it&#039;s still a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t anyone from Paramount ever want to talk about the deleted scenes from Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock &amp; Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home.  These two had the most scenes deleted from any other Trek films.  It just enfuriates me, Paramount still continues to do this. I&#8217;ve been waiting for such a long time to see both of these films unaltered in their original ways. They probably told Leonard Nimoy that the films had to be changed after they both hit the big screen. This was back in the 80&#8217;s. Since the two films ran for nearly 3-hours,  they probably felt that they could not fit the two films on VHS tape and the same for the earlier versions of LaserDiscs. They cut an extended amount of footage from each of the two films. Sadly, it&#8217;s still a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next person who says that an HD TNG, DS9, and VOY is not possible, I&#039;m going to phaser them.

http://www.hddvd.org/messageboard/topic/8274/3/0

If the film exists, then a Blu-Ray version is so possible, I&#039;ll bet a million dollars that HD TNG, DS9, and VOY will be out in 10 years.

As for all the complaints about the lack of director&#039;s cuts, it&#039;s a shame, but not a tragedy. Every film deserves to have its original cut on every home video format at least once, in the best quality possible. So what the 1979 TMP isn&#039;t the best version? It must&#039;ve did something right, because we got (the much better) sequels out of it. Maybe the DC will come out soon. However, I am glad the originals are back. I&#039;m not the biggest fan of film revisionism and I&#039;m glad Paramount is bringing the films out as they were seen (whether its a money issue or not is another story), warts and all. It&#039;s much better than the efforts being done to Bluify Star Wars, or even to show the original versions. If the DC do come out, fine, but I&#039;ll be watching the originals and marvel at how well they were done, despite the problems making them.

As for TOS on Blu, if the original optical shots got the same treatment as the live action got in the move to HD, then both versions are going to rock!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next person who says that an HD TNG, DS9, and VOY is not possible, I&#8217;m going to phaser them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hddvd.org/messageboard/topic/8274/3/0" rel="nofollow">http://www.hddvd.org/messageboard/topic/8274/3/0</a></p>
<p>If the film exists, then a Blu-Ray version is so possible, I&#8217;ll bet a million dollars that HD TNG, DS9, and VOY will be out in 10 years.</p>
<p>As for all the complaints about the lack of director&#8217;s cuts, it&#8217;s a shame, but not a tragedy. Every film deserves to have its original cut on every home video format at least once, in the best quality possible. So what the 1979 TMP isn&#8217;t the best version? It must&#8217;ve did something right, because we got (the much better) sequels out of it. Maybe the DC will come out soon. However, I am glad the originals are back. I&#8217;m not the biggest fan of film revisionism and I&#8217;m glad Paramount is bringing the films out as they were seen (whether its a money issue or not is another story), warts and all. It&#8217;s much better than the efforts being done to Bluify Star Wars, or even to show the original versions. If the DC do come out, fine, but I&#8217;ll be watching the originals and marvel at how well they were done, despite the problems making them.</p>
<p>As for TOS on Blu, if the original optical shots got the same treatment as the live action got in the move to HD, then both versions are going to rock!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean4000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean4000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, I agree 100% that the first go round needs to be purely the originals. Then they can do what they wish for future dips, I wouldn&#039;t really care. 

Foundation Imaging would have quite a job on their hands if they were to redo their work for an HD version of TMP:DC. I would offer to render their work if it would help them achieve their goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I agree 100% that the first go round needs to be purely the originals. Then they can do what they wish for future dips, I wouldn&#8217;t really care. </p>
<p>Foundation Imaging would have quite a job on their hands if they were to redo their work for an HD version of TMP:DC. I would offer to render their work if it would help them achieve their goal.</p>
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		<title>By: samwiseb</title>
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		<dc:creator>samwiseb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I probably should have said &quot;transfer&quot; instead of &quot;remaster&quot;.  We already know it&#039;s the original (theatrical) versions that we&#039;re getting to Blu-ray, at least this first time around.

I don&#039;t think most of the films need FX attention, and I would prefer they didn&#039;t even where it was needed (ST:TMP being the one exception).  But if it is being talked about I would love to know where.

The other thing I can&#039;t wrap my brain around is how Foundation Imaging (bless them) went through the trouble of adding film grain to their new effects, apparently knowing that said effects were being rendered for SD only.  Wouldn&#039;t that whole process have to be repeated after you went back and re-rendered the animation for HD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably should have said &#8220;transfer&#8221; instead of &#8220;remaster&#8221;.  We already know it&#8217;s the original (theatrical) versions that we&#8217;re getting to Blu-ray, at least this first time around.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think most of the films need FX attention, and I would prefer they didn&#8217;t even where it was needed (ST:TMP being the one exception).  But if it is being talked about I would love to know where.</p>
<p>The other thing I can&#8217;t wrap my brain around is how Foundation Imaging (bless them) went through the trouble of adding film grain to their new effects, apparently knowing that said effects were being rendered for SD only.  Wouldn&#8217;t that whole process have to be repeated after you went back and re-rendered the animation for HD?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean4000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean4000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>178, &quot;Kleist does suggest though that the films are getting a new remaster for HD.&quot;

That&#039;s what I got out of it as well. From what I read they are all getting FX and HD attention, the films get harder to do as they get older naturally, and to bring TMP:DC to HD would be the most daunting challenge of them all. 

Can&#039;t wait to see what they come up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>178, &#8220;Kleist does suggest though that the films are getting a new remaster for HD.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I got out of it as well. From what I read they are all getting FX and HD attention, the films get harder to do as they get older naturally, and to bring TMP:DC to HD would be the most daunting challenge of them all. </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait to see what they come up with.</p>
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		<title>By: samwiseb</title>
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		<dc:creator>samwiseb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link; Jeff Kleist however was refering to the Director&#039;s Edition DVD we already have.  He later confirms that the special effects need to be redone for HD (whether redo = re-render or start over from scratch, he doesn&#039;t say).  Either way, money would have to be spent.

The &quot;most attention&quot; comment seems to come from a poster who missread Kleist&#039;s post.  Kleist does suggest though that the films are getting a new remaster for HD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link; Jeff Kleist however was refering to the Director&#8217;s Edition DVD we already have.  He later confirms that the special effects need to be redone for HD (whether redo = re-render or start over from scratch, he doesn&#8217;t say).  Either way, money would have to be spent.</p>
<p>The &#8220;most attention&#8221; comment seems to come from a poster who missread Kleist&#8217;s post.  Kleist does suggest though that the films are getting a new remaster for HD.</p>
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		<title>By: Falvoant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Falvoant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will be suprises from framilar faces</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be suprises from framilar faces</p>
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		<title>By: T Negative</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Negative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW,  here is a post that claims TMP is getting a full restoration for this release and is getting the &quot;most attention&quot; of all the Trek films.  Post #3045 and #3052.  This gentleman is from the &quot;Digital Bits&quot;

Interesting...

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=32136&amp;page=153</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW,  here is a post that claims TMP is getting a full restoration for this release and is getting the &#8220;most attention&#8221; of all the Trek films.  Post #3045 and #3052.  This gentleman is from the &#8220;Digital Bits&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=32136&amp;page=153" rel="nofollow">http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=32136&amp;page=153</a></p>
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		<title>By: samwiseb</title>
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		<dc:creator>samwiseb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t expect they &quot;finally&quot; did anything.  What we saw on TV, that&#039;s what we&#039;re going to get.

It also sounds like the Director&#039;s Edition for ST:TMP is still very much in the air, despite all the talk on here about &quot;eventually&quot;.  DarenDoc&#039;s &quot;as of this time&quot; comment at least seems to imply that the possibility *could* exist -if the right phone calls were made- although that still falls short of answering whether or not Foundation Imaging&#039;s cgi effects have in fact been saved and could be re-rendered.

I&#039;d love to see a re-cut of the DE.  Cut the blasted Overture down to its original length (I mean, really), re-insert the Klingon transmission into the Epsilon 9 interior scene (or at least cut some of the exterior shots leading up to it), and re-insert the whoosh of the turbolift doors as Mccoy leaves the bridge just before the V-Ger flyover.  There are probably some other flaws that could be fixed.

How short-sighted of Paramount, to have not put up the money to have rendered the CGI for HD in the first place.  I mean, this was Robert Wise we&#039;re talking about!  A real old-school film director.  To essentially re-edit one of his movies on SD *videotape* instead of film seems completely *laughible*.  Star Trek Enterprise was already being filmed for HD, so what happened?  I sure hope they saved the cgi; I&#039;d hate to see a repeat of the Babylon 5 disaster.

A truly *honest* director&#039;s cut though, should have involved (moderate) re-scoring of the film by Jerry Goldsmith while he was still alive.  That would have allowed a LOT more freedom to fix some of the film&#039;s pacing issues.  What a wasted opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t expect they &#8220;finally&#8221; did anything.  What we saw on TV, that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re going to get.</p>
<p>It also sounds like the Director&#8217;s Edition for ST:TMP is still very much in the air, despite all the talk on here about &#8220;eventually&#8221;.  DarenDoc&#8217;s &#8220;as of this time&#8221; comment at least seems to imply that the possibility *could* exist -if the right phone calls were made- although that still falls short of answering whether or not Foundation Imaging&#8217;s cgi effects have in fact been saved and could be re-rendered.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see a re-cut of the DE.  Cut the blasted Overture down to its original length (I mean, really), re-insert the Klingon transmission into the Epsilon 9 interior scene (or at least cut some of the exterior shots leading up to it), and re-insert the whoosh of the turbolift doors as Mccoy leaves the bridge just before the V-Ger flyover.  There are probably some other flaws that could be fixed.</p>
<p>How short-sighted of Paramount, to have not put up the money to have rendered the CGI for HD in the first place.  I mean, this was Robert Wise we&#8217;re talking about!  A real old-school film director.  To essentially re-edit one of his movies on SD *videotape* instead of film seems completely *laughible*.  Star Trek Enterprise was already being filmed for HD, so what happened?  I sure hope they saved the cgi; I&#8217;d hate to see a repeat of the Babylon 5 disaster.</p>
<p>A truly *honest* director&#8217;s cut though, should have involved (moderate) re-scoring of the film by Jerry Goldsmith while he was still alive.  That would have allowed a LOT more freedom to fix some of the film&#8217;s pacing issues.  What a wasted opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean4000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean4000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>169, Cervantes:

&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;….and I hope they finally sorted ALL the dodgier handphaser ‘beams’ too. I couldn’t believe that they attended to only some, but left others to look as poor as before!

That was extremely shoddy. :(&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;

The very inconsistent nature of CBS&#039; effort is the number one reason I am very price conscious of this set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>169, Cervantes:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"&#8221;….and I hope they finally sorted ALL the dodgier handphaser ‘beams’ too. I couldn’t believe that they attended to only some, but left others to look as poor as before!</p>
<p>That was extremely shoddy. :(&#8221;"&#8221;"</p>
<p>The very inconsistent nature of CBS&#8217; effort is the number one reason I am very price conscious of this set.</p>
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