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STO Update: First Cyrptic/IDW Synergy + New ‘Kobayashi Challenge’ + more January 25, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Comics,Star Trek Online , trackback

This week there has been an interesting development regarding Cryptic Studio’s upcoming Star Trek Online MMORPG. We can now see the first connection between IDW Comics and the Cryptic game. Plus Cryptic has started a new ‘Kobayashi Maru’ challenge on their forums and there are also a couple of new interviews to check out…see below for more details.

 

Cryptic IDW Synergy
[the following section has major SPOILERS  from 'Star Trek Countdown #1 comic]

TrekMovie has been advocating for the various licensees to do some coordination in their post-Nemesis storytelling. In past Cryptic ‘Path to 2409′ updates we had seen many references to the Pocket Books post-Nemesis novels, and this week we have seen the first connection between the game and IDW comic books. In "Star Trek Countdown #1" (see TM review)  we see the appearance of Captain Data, and he is wearing a new uniform. That uniform is based on the new design for Starfleet uniforms for Star Trek Online (see comparison below). Also one has to wonder if the mention of the B-4 android in the recent ‘Path to 2409: 2384′ update may lead to ‘Captain Data’ seen a few years later in the Countdown comic series.  [Thanks to Paul and Scott who sent in tips spotting the uniform connections]


New Starfleet uniforms via IDW comics (left) and Cryptic’s STO (right)

 [END SPOILERS]


‘Kobayashi Maru’ challenge
This week on the official forums for Star Trek Online, Cyrptic has started a new feature where they ask the community to offer solutions to ‘nearly impossible scenarios’. Here is the first scenario:

You have been assigned to take refugees to Starbase 187 when you receive a distress signal from a medical ship ferrying critical supplies to Pacifica, which has been struck by a plague of unknown origin. When you reach the medical ship, you find that the ship is surrounded by two Gorn Cruisers and five Gorn frigates. The medical supplies must reach Pacifica, but not only are you carrying innocent civilians on your ship; you limited weapons capability.

Will you assist the medical ship that has medicine on board that may save thousands, or ensure the safety of your passengers? Choose quickly or all is lost!

How would you solve this scenario? Can you save both?

You can post your idea for a creative solution on the STO forums.

More STO
Here are a couple of other links to check out for STO this week:

Also a reminder that you have until January 29th to enter the ‘Planet Exploration Contest’ to win a guaranteed spot in the STO beta test.

For more on STO, see our special Star Trek Online category for our most recent articles and also visit the official startrekonline.com site.

 

COMMENTS SPOILERS WARNING: it is ok to discuss spoilers discussed in the article in the comments below. If you skipped the spoilers, you may want to skip the comments.

Comments

1. jc - January 25, 2009

Glad to see they’re coordinating the uniforms…

2. charliebob - January 25, 2009

I like the uniform. Looks nice.
Also I can’t wait to see how they brought back Data. The B4 android was fairly primitive and it took Data more than a few years to reach TNG level, how long would it take B4 to get to captain?

3. KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!! - January 25, 2009

I believe Data transfered his “memories” to B4. Kind of a android version of Spock’s “remember”

4. random guy - January 25, 2009

sweet

5. SciFiMetalGirl - January 25, 2009

That’s a pretty tough contest for just one shot at being a beta tester. I would think they would want quite a few beta testers.

6. Mathias - January 25, 2009

The *new* Path to 2409 entry isn’t new… it was already posted early this month.

7. Prologic9 - January 25, 2009

Those uniforms are over-designed nonsense.

8. Darth Ballz - January 25, 2009

Maby this game WIll get done?

Darth “Online Ballz” Ballz

9. Anthony Pascale - January 25, 2009

sorry you are right Mathias, that ‘path to 2409′ was reported in a previous ‘sto update’, my bad…i removed that part.

10. Hat Rick - January 25, 2009

Solution:

1. First maintaining radio silence, ready transporters for emergency evacuation.

2. Send a distress signal broadcast on behalf of the afflicted vessel over every frequency known to be monitored by any sentient race.

3. Dispatch monitoring probes to carry live feed of the events as they are occurring or, in the alternative, to serve as record buoys in case of destruction. Patch feed to any monitoring station within range.

4. Broadcast intent to rescue and Invite all ships to rescue the afflicted vessel.

5. Upon declination of assistance by any other ship, or upon nonresponse, immediately use transporters to evacuate the medical supplies and personnel.

6. Depart the area at maximum emergency warp.

11. Steamblade - January 25, 2009

7. You’re right, there were far too many posts before someone started complaining.

12. Jeyl - January 25, 2009

Aww! Not the Gorns! Don’t make them evil! That’s not fair! They were just defending their territory!

13. Sean - January 25, 2009

Very interesting to see the two uniforms looking so alike. Even though the timelines will be different in STO than in Trek books and other mediums, it’s cool to see them “cross paths” so to speak.

14. tomcatjosh - January 25, 2009

Greetings from The STM forums ( not that they matter, because trekmovie.com gets all the traffic.) MAKE SURE TO VISIT THEM!
http://www.startrekmovie.com/forums I like the vulcan in that pic… hot!

15. NCC-73515 - January 25, 2009

on this pic in the comic, you can also see a screenshot from the old TNG game ‘a final unity’.

16. The Gorn Identity - January 25, 2009

I’m liking the “synergy”. (Great word, by the way.) Gotta say, IDW is the best comic book publisher the Star Trek license has ever been with.

17. Jordan - January 25, 2009

I LOVE those uniforms. I think the First Contact uniforms are great, but those are fantastic! Love where the ranking is placed.

18. bolianbob - January 25, 2009

I like those uniforms. They took me a while to get used too; suffice it to say they have grown on me.

19. Sid - January 25, 2009

- Scan all the ships, get their registries, relay it all back to Starfleet with a situation report.
– Hail Gorn, tell ‘em that since now if anything ugly happens, the UFP will know exactly who did it, maybe we should talk things over.
-?????
-PROFIT!

20. Lucas - January 25, 2009

Can we see how the Phasers will look for STO? Bet they will be better than Trek10

21. cw - January 25, 2009

They probably found data in pieces in the debris field from the Shinzon ship and put his ass back together. B4 is probably finger painting somewhere.

22. Arvin Nathanael Chandra - January 25, 2009

The change of B-4 becoming Data would probably be a painful process for both of them.
Perhaps as Data’s memories began to emerge within B-4 ‘brain’ (like Spock’s katra residing in McCoy in ST III:TSFS) there was the eventual struggle between two selves of B-4 and Data (three if counting Data’s daughter Lal).
I guess B-4 decided to sacrifice himself (or transfer his essence to a different location) so Data can regain full use of his body.

But if B-4’s positronic network was too primitive for Data’s essence to make use, perhaps a newer Soong-type android body was created to resurrect Data.

Another idea: what if they transferred Data’s essence into Lore’s body. Thus, wiping of all traces of Lore.

23. Newman - January 25, 2009

bahaha Shatner is going to be mad!!!! They resurrected Data but can’t resurrect Kirk!!! haha

24. Hat Rick - January 25, 2009

22, another possibility is that Data had created a back-up of his essential programming, including software and all information constituting his memories, within the Enterprise-E’s databanks. This would have been the prudent and logical thing to do prior to sacrificing his own life.

While Data’s capabilities are unique in that he is a Soong-type android, his total storage, processing and informational capacities are probably easily within the databank and program-execution capabilities of the Enterprise’s equipment.

It is quite possible that, at some point after the Shinzon encounter, an automatically generated alert notified the command crew that Data’s essential bits and bytes were still in existence. How that data is unlocked could be a story in itself, since Data would not want just anyone to be able to access what would fundamentally be his spirit. Quite possibly, he would require that only his closest friends be able to authorize the downloading of his essence, requiring, for example, that a long series of puzzles be answered that only such friends could solve. (One of those could be, for example, the circumstances under which Data found his cat, Spot.)

Alternatively, or in addition, Data could still exist in some form as an actual, conscious entity, expressing himself through the ship’s computers.

25. Hat Rick - January 25, 2009

One other thing. The Holodoc capabilities of Voyager and ships of similar capability would seem to suggest that Data, as well, could be expressed holographically aboard the Enterprise-E or any ship of like capability, assuming, reasonably, that the Enterprise-E is at least as advanced as Voyager. Rather than being limited to a physical form, Data could become, in essence, “HoloData,” capable of existing and interacting in multiple places simultaneously through the use of holoprojectors. That would obviate the need for B4 to sacrifice himself to make way for Data.

26. Doug in Afghanistan - January 25, 2009

#7: over designed?

By whose standards? I think they look logical and a nice progression from what has evolved over the years.

27. Enterprise - January 25, 2009

I like to think that Geordi took the dismantled Lore and downloaded Data’s files into it. Thus creating a new Data,

28. Jordan - January 25, 2009

Lets not get to complicated. The most logical theory is its just B-4 having assimilated all of Data’s memories and ultimately becoming Data. If you have someone’s memories, you ARE that person.

29. Enterprise - January 25, 2009

What about McCoy though. McCoy had Spock’s memories in him, and he was still McCoy.

30. MaybeThisMovieWontSuck - January 25, 2009

#7… Agreed.

I’m basing my opinion solely by what I’ve seen here at Trekmovie.com, so in fairness I may be full of crap (because I haven’t read the comic, and will never play the game) but…

I read the review of Star Trek Countdown #1, and I cannot put into words how disappointed I was. It was mainly the dialog, but they really blew it with me. I was really looking forward to it too, but that’s why I should give them a chance, and I might. So far the jury is out.

But to see this new video game and all they crap they want us to believe is Trek’s future? No way. Then to come to the realization that this abomination, and the comic are conjoined in any way is grim news to me.

Please don’t let this be a trend.

Don’t let Cryptic Studios, and IDWs shallow production qualities bleed over into our beloved Eleventh Star Trek Film!

If you are going to serve me Cheese Dialog for dinner, at least give me some Substance Cola to wash it down.

Friends, consumers, countrymen. Our products feature the same uniforms, therefore will be cool!

I want this movie to be about more than what’s on the surface.

31. AJ - January 25, 2009

The site is almost impossible to log onto/register.

It asks for verification codes which include cyrillic letters (Russian ‘fa’) and others I’ve not seen.

Get a clue, guys.

32. jamesmctrek - January 25, 2009

poo

33. Hat Rick - January 25, 2009

28, unless B-4 truly believes he’s Data, he’s not. How could he? Physically, he’s a different entity. There’s not basis in philosophical materialism to believe otherwise. The only recourse, thus, is to rely on his own sense of self, and until he knows (believes) he’s Data, he can’t be.

34. Enterprise - January 25, 2009

I was kind of hoping they’d find Data;s body floating around in space after the Scimitar exploded. I hated that Data died blowing up the Romulan ship. Couldn’t he have just set up a timer bomb or set his phaser to overload, or whatever?

35. Jordan - January 25, 2009

33. I understand, but you retained the entire memory of someone else, wouldn’t you believe your that person? All we are is in our brain through memories. Its just like when Spock used his contra merge with a new body. The same might be true for B-4 and Data.

36. Enterprise - January 26, 2009

Spock just basically downloaded his mind into McCoy. He left behind a copy of himself. McCoy just carried it around, but he didn’t become Spock.

37. Hat Rick - January 26, 2009

35, I would tend to agree with 36. You can retain memories of someone else without actually being that person.

This can be seen if you recall a particularly vivid dream in which you believed you were someone (e.g., King Midas) you could not possibly be, or have been doing something (e.g., turning everything you touched into gold) that you could not or did not do. Your memory of that dream does not make you the person who did the things that were done in the dream (unless, of course, the person in your dream happened to be you).

38. Hat Rick - January 26, 2009

Addendum: To clarify, your retention of the memories (or pseudo-memories) of the dream person (again, e.g., King Midas), no matter how complete, does not make you in any way King Midas.

39. James - January 26, 2009

RE: B4/Data – what about the TNG episode ‘The Schizoid Man’? The scientist dude who said he was Noonien Soong’s mentor transferred his entire consciousness into Data and completely took over him.

Nemesis stated that Data transferred his memory into B4. With the help of Geordi and Dr. Crusher, it doesn’t seem such a massive stretch that Data’s personality could resurface in B4. OK, so they’d have to do a bit of retro-fitting…

Or, how about Lore? He was deactivated and disassembled at the end of ‘Descent, pt. 2′, but wasn’t actually destroyed. Maybe he was put in a box in a secret Starfleet warehouse a la ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark’, and they formatted Lore and transferred Data’s memories into him.

I think it’s perfectly plausible that Data could elude ‘death’ in this manner…

40. Paulaner - January 26, 2009

Nice to see the deep connection between TNG and the new movie. It keeps the Trek Universe smoothly flowing.

41. Dyson Sphere - January 26, 2009

C:> mount L:\ore
Memory device mounted
C:> Format L:\ore /Positronic
Are you sure you want to erase L:\ore, all data will be lost? Yes
Format complete, 800 quadrillion bits (100 petabytes) free
C:> Restore L:\ore /source=E:\mainframe\CommanderData.bak
682 petabytes transfered, 118 free
C:> Shutdown /restart

Hmm, suppose I could have backed up Lore before the format, oh well, what’s done is done. Now where is Dr. Juliana Tainer? I’d like to get into her head.

Ref:
1) Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_(Star_Trek)
2) DOS For Dummies, 391st ed, Copyright 2365

42. karanadon - January 26, 2009

#23: Or can they?! ;-P

43. Chris Auckland - January 26, 2009

You can’t get into a nature of exisiance based on memories arguement when it comes to Data because at the end of the day he is a machine! If I had two identitical, or atleast similar laptops, formatted one of them, and transferred everything, including the operating system, from one to the other, I would thus then have two laptops the same! Thus B4 could, to all intence and purposes, become Data.

That said, it does raise a whooooole load of issues that could very well get its own slow and tedious TNG episode about identity and Data’s rights where in Crusher, being wet, can’t accept that B4 is Data because he isn’t Data…whereas Data keeps saying “some techno-bable about how my core programming is the same as Data, therefore I am Data” or some such…then Data saves Crushers life or something and its all happy in the end…you know one of those episodes that you can’t help but feel is a filler, but with a moral being rammed down your throat too! Not that I don’t like TNG, don’t get me wrong!!

In my opinion Data’s body could probably survived the explosion on the Scimitar.

Ha yea…Shatner is going to be pissed…they’ll ressurect Data but not him lol!

I like the new uniforms, it does suggest that Starfleet is trying to become less militarised after the Dominion Wars, going back to the clearly scientific/exploritory uniforms! I did like the Black and Grey ones though! I am certainly not complaining though, any trek is better then no trek, and this all seems pretty good in my opinion!

44. Holger - January 26, 2009

Sounds interesting.

45. Admiral_BlackCat - January 26, 2009

Seeing as how Countdown is almost 30 years after Nemesis I think B4 had time to process Data’s “download” maybe even go through the Academy again, serve aboard various ships and then reach Captain and get command of the E.
Speaking of the time frame, in previous articles it was stated as 6-8 years after Nem. which was very confusing to me at first, especially after Spocks reveal of how long he had been on Romulus.
But I got it figured out now and think the stardate conversion was wrong.

46. AdamTrek - January 26, 2009

#45

Every 1000 digits is one year, as established in TNG. Sort of like a metric system for earth years. So July 1, midnight would be XX500.00. Kinda goofy, but interesting nonetheless. Different than TOS stardates.

I was hoping for a Star Trek: Enterprise that established the Stardate System, but I assumed it started with the Federation inception.

47. G - January 26, 2009

Solution:

ALWAYS separate the saucer section with the civilians :) Transfer bridge crew to the Battle Bridge.

Red Alert – All hands to battle stations

48. James - January 26, 2009

@41:

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

But surely it should read:

C:> mount L:\ore
Memory device mounted
C:> Format L:\ore /Positronic
Are you sure you want to erase L:\ore, all data will be lost? Yes
Format complete, 800 quadrillion bits (100 petabytes) free
C:>rename C: D:
C:>D:
D:>deltree c:
D:> md D:\ata
D:> Restore D:\ata /source=B:\4\CommanderData.bak

49. That One Guy - January 26, 2009

James 48,

HAHAHAHAHA! Oh, holy crap, that’s good!

50. Hat Rick - January 26, 2009

Surely Data’s memory capabilities are more than 800 quadrillion bits?

More seriously, to 43: Yes, I agree, but the new Data must believe that he’s Data or else the argument is lost. If B4 believes he’s B4, but merely carrying Data’s memories, then he’s exactly that: B4 carrying Data’s memories.

The other thing about the HoloData concept I like is that it allows the use of CGI to render the Data character, thereby completely sidestepping the “Brent Spiner is too old to play Data” conundrum once and for all. (The holographic nature of HoloData would lend itself to a certain stiffness and lack of realism inevitably found in today’s CGI. Don’t ask me why the HoloDoc isn’t similarly stiff and unrealistic, although we know the real-world reason why. … Come to think of it, we could rationalize it as being the result of the fact that Data was never originally intended to be holographic, whereas the HoloDoc was.)

51. Chris Auckland - January 26, 2009

@50-

That is true, but if you were to completely wipe B4 then that wouldn’t be a problem.

Surely after all the research that has been done by Starfleet using Lore’s parts and the like they could construct a completely new body for Data.

I think a better solution for Data would be:

C:/Data

C:/Data/Run

Run Data Run!

Then he would never of been on the Scimitar and we wouldn’t have to have this conversation!

52. James - January 26, 2009

@51:

As opposed to ‘Run Spot Run’?

Sad kids story/Star Trek crossover joke!

Perhaps the DOS prompt should actually read E:\nterprise>…

Let me know if I’m taking this too far! ;-)

53. Fascinoma - January 26, 2009

We could get into a whole ‘nuther argument about the ethics of B4 being sacrificed for Data, and it being OK just because B4 is a less advanced android. It was already established that androids had rights in TNG, why would a “developmentally disabled” android have fewer rights? It would be more poignant to have B4 remain B4, but something else come of Data (such as the HoloData) or just leave Data as he was, with B4 wanting to know his “little brother” and learn about him. In a way, B4 could be well on the way to being more human than Data even dreamed.

This would totally have been an ST episode…

And why don’t I write fanfic, again??

54. 'Beach - January 26, 2009

Speaking of a CG Data, if this new movie is successful, why not have a CG-aminated Star Trek? I mean, “The Clone Wars” on Cartoon Network is doing well, ratings-wise. It would be a new and interesting way to re-introduce Trek to TV and maybe gain some new fans, too. It would have to be done carefully, not as obviously “for kiddies” as SW:TCW is. Besides, it would, as someone stated, allow Data and the rest of the Ent-E crew (or anyone from the other crews)to return without the hassle of “he/she” is too old to play X or Y character, since the actors would lend only their voices. And there are plenty of talented voice-actors out there who could “imitate” certain characters, thus side-stepping the “prima-donna” syndrome of any particular actor not wishing to participate (or for those who have passed away, as the case may be).
Just my six quatloos worth….

55. Jordan - January 26, 2009

Another theory is that someone had the ability to construct a new body for Data and transfer his memories form B-4. It would be strange, because he wouldn’t even remember dying.

56. Trekmaster - January 26, 2009

@53:

E:\nterprise>_

Man, that’s hilarious! I had that as a prompt many MANY years ago back when I ran a DOS machine and was trying to be cute while setting up “Star Trek: The Next Generation: A Final Unity” from Spectrum Holobyte.

Ah, that was an awesome Star Trek game….good times, good times!

And great Geek joke, Fascinoma!

Also, on topic, I love the crossover of uniforms. It makes it feel more like all this is actually happening in a ‘living’ Star Trek universe. Looks great!

57. Poizen_Prince - January 26, 2009

It’s obvious.

Spock went back in time in his (cloaked) timeship & beamed Data out of the firing chamber on the Simitar a 25th of a second before the Thaleron matrix exploded.

He then held Data in the pattern buffer, warped to the vicinity of a the nearest federation starbase, and dropped him a few year’s drifitng time (3-4 billion km) away from the base.

Data finds himself drifting in space, assumes he got blasted away from the explosion, and shuts himself down to await rescue.

A decade or so later, he shows up on the perimeter sensors of the base and is rescued.

Thus, DATA LIVES!

58. Chris Auckland - January 26, 2009

@ 57 – I can actually believe thats the excuse they’ll use, or something similar!

59. Jordan - January 26, 2009

@ 58 That would be disappointing. And in the comic, Spock says Data is a friend. Have they ever met before (to our knowledge)?

60. Chris Auckland - January 26, 2009

@ 59 Yea they did, in TNG Unification, they compared their seperate ideologies, Spock’s dislike of his human side and Data’s thirst to be Human.

I dont know if they have come up with some cock-and-ball excuse for how he is still alive, I doubt it, I reckon the B4 conversion is the most likely answer, that or they simply don’t address it at all and allow us to make up our own minds about it…that would be a logical way of getting out of it!

Besides, I find it unlikely that in the comic Data turns up as Captain of the Enterprise then gets into a whole random side-story about how he is still alive…would seem a bit disjointed! I think they’d just ignore it, unless it was of vital importance to the story itself!

61. Barking Alien - January 26, 2009

Not really crazy about these uniforms even though I liked them at first. The white piping on the color looks oddly tacky. Why not make i the branch/department color?

Also, are the pip sizes for the rank insignia really increasing as they follow from left to right? Why would an military or para-military organization design that?

I’m really hoping you get to modify your uniform in the game.

AD

62. Oktoberfest - January 26, 2009

1. Data: If Captain Data exists in the timeline with which we are familiar, then he would have to be a new Soong-type android. Data got blowed up, and B-4 is primitive. Just because my Atari 2600 has a microprocessor does not mean that I can xfer over modern-day software expect it to run. In other words, B-4 is Vista. My money is on a positronic breakthrough by Bruce Maddox at Daystrom.

2. Gorn: Easy no-win scenario solution. Beam redshirts directly to each Gorn bridge armed with bamboo cannons. “Hey Lizards, we shall be merciful…and quick!”

3. Crossover unis: The unis are great! But I also liked the NX-01 jumpsuits, so do I still have cred?

63. [FG2]frontier - January 29, 2009

possibility for data – dont forget about lore, he wasn’t destroyed just dissassembled, by data, so in theory all they have to do is wipe all of lore’s memory ande programming, and transfer all data’s programming over from B4’s head to lore’s head, failing that, just ask Q for a small favour (pull him out just as shinzon’s ship goes boom)

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