Official ST09 Site Update: Check Out New ‘Panoramas’ Inside The New USS Enterprise February 13, 2009
by TrekMovie.com Staff , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
The official site for the new Star Trek movie has just added a brand new ‘PANORAMA’ feature that gives you interactive 360 degree views of sections of the USS Enterprise. As of now you can choose to get a close look at two different corridors on the ship, including ‘zoom in’ on various control panels, details and screen shots below.
Loiter in the halls of the USS Enterprise
We got our first look at corridors of the new USS Enterprise in the theatrical trailer.
Kirk and Uhura run through corridor outside the bridge
Now thanks to the official site for the new Star Trek movie, you now have a hall pass to get a closer look at two corridors. You can access this feature, by selecting ‘PANORAMAS’ on the ‘NAV’ control. For now there are two choices ‘Enterprise Corridor A’ and ‘Enterprise Corridor B,’ but hopefully more parts of the ship show up at the site in the future.
New ‘PANORAMAS’ choice on ‘NAV’ control at startrekmovie.com
Once you select one of the corridors you have a full ‘panoramic’ view by dragging your cursor around the image to see different angles. There are also a few ‘hot spots’ for you to get closer views of various controls, complete with animations. Goto startrekmovie.com now to check it out.
Screenshots (click to enlarge)
Corridor A (showing ‘Access Panel’ hot spot)
Corridor A – Access Panel
Corridor A
Corridor A – Access Panel (2)
Corridor A
Corridor A – Comm Terminal
Corridor A
Corridor B
Corridor B – Comm Terminal
Corridor B
Corridor B
Corridor B
Loading ...
Comments»
Very Cool Design.
Nice.
Wow. Nice!
It looks like the interior of the Tantive IV in Star Wars as seen through a fisheye lens.
Reminds me of something out of 2001 movie, which I did not like.
hold me, spock. just hold me.
=THE WOMEN!!=
Reminds me of Star Wars.
Looks very “2001-ish,” which is pretty amazing, considering the style was around at the time that TOS was in production ( ! )
In fact, corridor B looks like the lunar lander set in 2001 where the gal walks up the wall in velcro shoes (does anyone remember that?)
The I-pod, er, um access panel looks good too.
Hmm. Well… I do kinda like this, but really, it only looks like the vaguest approximation of the Enterprise’s corridors. Why go round, I wonder? Why not keep the wedges and polygon shapes of the halls/doors/etc.?
And I hate to say this, but it reminds me very much of the Alderaan(ian?) ship at the beginning of Star Wars. They’re very, very similar. And this is coming from one of the biggest optimists regarding the movie, honestly, that design just doesn’t do anything for me. Probably the only really serious disappointment I’ve had so far…
The site, however, I like. It’s pretty neat.
Cool. That’s all I’ve got to say… cool.
Ampris –
Minimalist black and white corridors are a serious disappointment to you? Dude, you’re in trouble if the difference between square grey corridors and tubular white corridors is enough to be a “serious disappointment.”
Perhaps some oak wainscotting and a floral wallpaper with snapshots of the family?
You probably shouldn’t see this movie.
wow, nothing like the original. It’s so sleek my eyes are watering. I still wish they could have balanced this new ipod look with the TOS style somehow, but as always I’m reserving judgement until I SEE the movie.
Very TMP or as #9 said…star wars. Could be much worse.
I thinks they look purdy cool. So what if it they aren’t exact replicas of the old corridors?
Yeesh. Next someone’s gonna start complaining about the doors. (Bite? Anyone?)
Looks totally amazing, and real, with the addition of all the these airlocks at doors and Turbolifts. Stanley would have loved it.
Has anyone figured out the location icons on the walls and doors yet?
Door looks very TNG. Miss the big red rectangles.
I like it very, very much.
It actually reminds me of Space: 1999 and not Star Wars.
@8…
http://tinyurl.com/bxr62u
;))
I would be much happier with some good exterior shots of the Enterprise.
Nice, has hints of the motion picture enterprise in terms of lighting (very bright, very white)
I don’t care for the computer look, looks kinda like the 1998 Lost in Space remake.
This looks AWESOME! I like seeing parts of TNG in it.
It reminds me more of 2001 than of Star Wars (the corridors on the Tantive IV were not rounded like this). Also, the rounded corridors are in keeping with TMP at least. I really like it. It would have been oddly dated if had the low budget look of TOS, as much as I loved it.
comment 11. is hilarious!
I check this site every day! I am a trek nerd. But we can be really nerdy. It is just a movie.
New from Apple: first there was the iMac, then the iPod and of course iTunes and now we have . . . the iEnterprise!
This makes sense as a design – the exterior is very much informed by the movie Enterprise rather than the TOS ship, so it makes sense that the interior is also. Shares a lot in common with the TMP to TUC ship.
I do wonder whether the people expecting the red doors and angular obvious-soundstage corridors kicked up as much of a fuss over the TMP design ditching the entire structure of the original ship and expecting us to call it a “refit”.
That said, I do hope they refrain from any “old Spock looks around wistfully” scenes because it won’t really work for the older fans.
I know this sounds awful, but there’s just something about these corridors that’s stereotypical sci-fi to me. I’m not dissing the quality of the design or anything, it just reminds me of other deep space vessels from movies. On the other hand, it’s a little more modern space looking, which is good for the realism thing.
Very interesting.
I’ll be taking a very close look at the Bridge when they release those images.
Well, at least it looks expensive.
I’d live in it.
28
I hear ya and couldn’t agree more….it’s not that I hate it..but it is “oh look..a corridor in a space ship in the FUTURE…you can tell the future…cause it’s white and rounded..and stuff”…not bad..but ..just not what i thought it would be….
Well. The Look reminds me more of Tmp and thats kool with me. As Scotty says. I like this Ship!! Tis Ecxciting!!! Everything to me looks great and as a so called Purest I can go with the look.
DAMN!!!
I can understand the look and i can go with this. it does remind me more of Tmp and if thats what they were more targeting but with a more moderen update then they succeded wonderfully. Im a purest and have Watched Trek since the mid 1970s and I have an open mind and again this is a fantastic look.
Too much like Star Wars.
Wow. Looks like the TMP enterprise but brighter. The TMP Ent interior looked colder somehow- more gray tones i guess. This is much brighter, cleaner looking, sort of a sterile feel, like a hospital, whereas the TMP ent felt like a morgue, lol.
Yawn.
It is not the spaceship Enterprise…
it is the Starship!
And that is what it looks.
Clean, functional and a little bit Kubrick.
Perfect for me.
Damn.
I was hoping for shag carpeting and velvet hangings.
#7—”Reminds me of Star Wars.”
Not me. I think of the movie-era Enterprise with a bigger budget.
Everything is white!
@26…
would you rather fly Warp 5 with Leopard, or Vista?
It is derivative of some Star Wars and Kubrick’s harshly white designs for 2001:
http://www.omahajedi.com/Rob%20in%20Tantive%20IV%20scene.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/105424835_09bf9fefbf.jpg
http://www.dedroidify.com/blogimages/2001_460.jpg
http://home.hccnet.nl/arnoud.de.bruijn/pictures/film/stills/Kubrick2001ASpaceOddesey.jpg
28. hoochahoocha
Exactly my feeling – there’s no doubting the impressive, quality, sleek, feel about the designs, but for me it is a major drawback that they could be images off any other sci fi movie, from 2001 to SW to Avatar maybe, as people have said, but not the vaguest of reminders of TOS at all, not even a hint. It may be too out of place and old to lift the original designs straight off, but TOS had such a distinctive look and character to the production design that this just doesn’t have. It’s almost too obvious, too cliche.
Sweet!
Lol, I even found this obvious inspiration for the bar code scanners:
http://www.inkblurt.com/wp-content/images/1999sorellalamp.jpg
and more white corridors with shiny granite floors:
http://www.nerf-herders-anonymous.net/images/JennyCresswell_Space1999.jpg
I like this ship, it’s exciting!
Definitely feeling a mix of TMP, TOS, and Apple, Inc.
LOL
Well, we saw this coming in the trailers. Once again, not much “Trek” here in the Design. I also seriously doubt shiny floors like this on a starship. It takes away from realism. Not practical.
The design of this film is very much a parody or stereotype of other sci fi films, including Galaxy Quest and Star Wars of course. The only way to have avoided that would have been to stay more-true to TOS visuals. It not only would have provided better feeling of “Trek” throughout the film, it would have provided a better distinction from everything else.
47 “Lol, I even found this obvious inspiration for the bar code scanners”
http://www.inkblurt.com/wp-content/images/1999sorellalamp.jpg
OMG!
what’s up with the B4 label I see on the comm screen and also the main view screen on the bridge
47. C.S. Lewis – February 13, 2009
Now that IS worrying!!
I have always been a huge fan of TOS, but I honestly don’t get the need of some fans to see those visual designs or some direct derivative of it. Quite frankly, the visual set designs were not what made me a fan of that wonderful little show.
What I want to see (as far as visual designs) in this film is something that makes my kids feel like this is a starship that could exist in the 23rd Century. That’s it. I want it to feel real to them.
Just as I have no problem believing that the exterior design shots we have seen are that of the Enterprise, I have no trouble seeing these interior shots as being aboard her as well. They actually look to me like the corridors of the movie-era Enterprise—but alot better!
I can hear the red-alert klaxon going off and picture Starfleet personnel running down these corridors to their posts right now!
Looks like souped-up Star Trek to me.
I think its great.
Gratified to see a complete lack of carpet. TNG carpetted everything and even the Enterprise-A got carpet in STV. I like how the rounded corridors echo those of the NX-01 on ENT. Overall I like it but I too have to admit I miss the red doors and a bit more stainless steel would’ve been welcome just to avoid the Star Wars comparisons and connect better with the movie-era Enterprise. Still, these are very impressive sets. Nice understated computer interfaces, too.
And that, folks, is the reason Trek fans are the butt of jokes everywhere.
“Did you see the new Star Trek film? It’s amazing?”
“Meh. I didn’t like the corridors.”
The corridors do remind me of the ones seen in the Star Wars films but it also reminds me of the curved oval corridors of Enterprise NX-01. So, it does make sense and could look like the corridors of future spacecraft and therefore is acceptable IMHO.
It’s my imagination, or comm terminal in corridor B reads “DEAD B4″?
#49—”The design of this film is very much a parody or stereotype of other sci fi films…”
A parody?
That’s ridiculous. I think it would have come off parodic to use the TOS-style set designs. This doesn’t even approach parody.
And a sterotype?
I’m not sure I know what you mean, but if you mean that it looks generic, I have to disagree. I have yet to see another sci-fi film that depicts the interior and corridors of a futuristic spacecraft as good as that.
I think this is wonderful. I can’t wait to see all of this in the movie.
#55—-Lmao!
That is absolutely hilarious.
11: that was incredibly funny
I can see a ‘halfway’ design between NX-01 and the TMP refit Enterprise corridors…
I like the whole look, but yeah, I do wish there had been a bit more of the TOS style weaved into things because TOS designs are indeed practical, clever and aesthetically appealing. But these corridors look pretty sharp.
@53…
here, for your desktop, CT…
http://thorstenwulff.com/korridorB.jpg
I agree that the look of the corridors will have little to do with the success of the movie … BUT what made the TOS sets great to me was the use of moody & colorful lighting upon them. For this movie, it seems the brilliant TOS lighting palette has been replaced with a single shade: BRIGHT, BRIGHT WHITE.
thorsten why have you not photoshopped the corridors with the requested ‘oak wainscotting and a floral wallpaper with snapshots of the family?’
Seems like Nero going back in time did more good than harm, in that he made the timeline more technologically advanced than before!!
@65…
Anthony, I actually tried to fuse the “Pirates of the Carribean” Black Pearl bulkheads with that Kubrick shiny white…
Wow.. VERY 2001 looking! Very retro styling. I like. I think it serves Trek very well. Whomever said it was Star Wars looking… ummm.. I don’t think so.
Not a big fan of touch screens with tiny details. This doesn’t make sense from a anthropometric point of view. Also, this tendency to clutter GUIs with text and slick graphics is goofy, though this started about ten years ago. Like the 360 feature very much, though. Would love it even more if this was provided for the Refit Enterprise from the first two films.
53/58 CT
Yes, we understand that the visuals are not important to you and it’s difficult for you to see the need for better TOS visual continuity.
If matching what came before was not a consideration, I would say that the wall and ceiling of the corridors say “big budget”, “high class”, or “ambassador- class”. Not sure that’s the best message. There are more lights then needed (just like the bridge). They are clearly decorative. The floors I don’t like on any level. Looks like they ran out of money and had to use the standard floor whether it matched the walls or not.
Anyone who says they don’t like 2001: A Space Odyssey is not a credible judge of science fiction. Write that down.
This desgin is more of Tmp but better. No question!!!
Leia’s ship from Star Wars (the Tantive IV) had similar colors but was much more military-mechanical inside, especially once you stepped outside the white corridor.
Despite looking so clean and high tech, and the round profile, these corridor sets have lot of simple straight lines and square panels like the TOS sets. And it’s a brand spanking new Enterprise. They haven’t laid down the faded 60s carpet yet.
I think the design is meant to evoke Skylab, the Space Shuttle, the ISS, etc to give continuity with the present. And as people have said 2001. Many design and FX people from 2001 worked on Star Trek: Phase II and ST:TMP.
So… is this reboot a Star Wars / Star Trek amalgam? San Francisco and Starfleet Headquarters look like Corusant with the ridiculous sky-scraper skylines. Didn’t World War III pretty much impoverish the world like 2 hundred years before and here we see sky-lines visible in even the most remote desert locations. Its funny, when I saw the trailer in the theatre… you know the one with young kirk stealing his daddy’s fancy car. In that trailer, in the sky-line are what appear to be buildings and tall structures. I initially thought those sillouettes in the sky-line were mpeg artifacts or something. It looked very odd until I realised what they were supposed to be. Also of note, those corridors must be one hell of a cleaning job for the starfleet custodian, constantly cleaning that floor and keeping those walls clean. The corridors do resemble the corridors from the first ship we see in Star Wars the one where Princess Leia is captured on. Still, it shows money was being thrown around but let’s hope that the majority went to story development.
it’s a way off to future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! screw up…
I think everything looks great so far.
I’m 28 and when I was a kid I really caught on to TOS when I should have been a TNGer and I still think this looks great because Trek is above anything else, a science fiction. To update it, they need to create everything according to what we would consideration science fiction today and with current architectual and engineering trends of the day. The designs of TOS as being sci-fi from the 60’s is outdated…technology we use today looks more sci-fi than what was used in the show.
That being said, “In a Mirror Darkly” did a good job of recreating the TOS look, but people do not want to TOS look because it looks like true science fiction, they want it for nostalgia and that is not what JJ intended to do and not what this franchise needs right now…how are the younger generations who we want to keep Trek alive supposed to relate with a spruced up 1960 tv show? From what we’ve seen so far, JJ has done a great job at just that!
Why are you posting this much content here? To steal traffic from the official site? How about a story a link and one pic? Also, as cool as this is, the awe of seeing the interior of the ship may have best been left for the film.
Why does this remind me of X-men?
So…which door does Vader pop out from?
50. McCoy
You killed with that one.
i like the homage to the nx-01 architecture, but so white! and the iPod interfaces seem to be pandering to the modern movie-goers… futuristic and cool though, can’t argue with that.
btw, 2001 a space odyssey was a movie way beyond its time, its significance is obviously lost on many youngsters here apparently.
any fans of science fiction born after ‘SW A new hope’ might want to rent a few of 2001 ASO’s contemporaries for comparison.
Space 1999 was really just a way to make 2001 ASO a television series, in the same way the original BSG was Star Wars the television series.
There is a definite Moonbase Alpha look to this new ship, which is cool with me (the first season of S1999 was basically Star Trek in remarkable ways)
Too bad we’re just seeing bland corridors, how about Main Engineering? Shuttle deck? Transporter rooms? Sick bay?
Hallways? How exciting…
@80…
Sorella from 1972…
http://www.moderndesigns.co.uk/guzziniorder2.htm
49 – “I also seriously doubt shiny floors like this on a starship. It takes away from realism. Not practical.”
Doesn’t have to be practical one way or the other. Give us the practicality of dull floors? You can’t.
“The design of this film is very much a parody or stereotype of other sci fi films, including Galaxy Quest and Star Wars of course”
Nope!
“It not only would have provided better feeling of “Trek” throughout the film, it would have provided a better distinction from everything else.”
For you maybe. Thanks for playing.
Ugh.
That is all.
I really like this. Very futuristic looking. I love the new LCARS.
I just wish we had a 360 view of the exterior or the Enterprise like the Kelvin on the intel side.
Looks like anything but something out of Star Trek… 2 thumbs way down…
I scanned most of the responses, and I agree with the majority: these designs look like everything BUT The Original Series … Star Wars, 2001, TMP, TNG, most ’70s SF design.
Sigh.
And yes, the DESIGN of the Original Star Trek is very appealing to me. It’s a large part of what I like about the show, and why I never fell in love with any of the Trek spin-offs.
I would have been happier if they had adopted a 1950s or early 1960s science fiction design aesthetic, if they were steadfastly not going to try to pay homage to TOS. At least it would have fit with the prequel setting of the movie.
So, big continued disappointment in the design teams’ work, but I still look forward to a story and performances that engage and entertain me.
Scott B. out.
Very I-pod ish?
I like it tho.
Looks like anything but something out of Star Trek… 2 thumbs way up!!…
Turn off the gravity plates and see what happens to the crew in these corridors…
I dislike the functionality. I dislike the design. It’s too gimmicky. Too many light sources, too. There’s too much style over substance. I would expect a revamping of the Enterprise to give us better design function. With the original TV series, we understood that sets were limited by budget. (Which made the Jefferies tubes even more believable than the tech/machinery was buried in the walls and was accessible through these conduits.) I didn’t see even one Jefferies tube in these pics. A real shame.
And ironically, I think it’s more ST:TNG style. Not Space: 1999, LiS or Star Wars.
PCAP = Pretty Corridor Amazes People
had anbody w o k its the
same but brighter the slanted trusses and straight turbolift doors give a nice touch take that
Looks like a mashup of TMP and TUC corridors, as well as something else….I wonder if Steve Jobs was a design consultant on the film…
One thing that has become clear is that they definitely looked to TMP for design inspiration.
There is a ship schematic in the PCAP terminals (dorsal or ventral view).
Overall I like the design. The airlock reference in the Corridor B set is the only thing I question. Based on the curve of the corridor, I assume this is somewhere in the saucer section, so why is the airlock on the ‘inside’ of the corridor?
like others have said, I think it has a very 70’s vibe to it (2001, Andromeda Strain, etc.)…which is good for going with the retro look… it’s also stylized and decorative in a way, and still fits fine with Starfleet corridor designs… maybe not exactly what I would’ve done, but not bad either… and it DOES feel older… I don’t know how anyone can compare this with a post-TNG design…
Very nice design, very 2001. Looks like they spent money. Can’t judge how this works with TOS yet. Still like the TMP ship.
RE 83, Devon:
When I said “shiny” was not practical, thanks for automatically assuming I wanted the polar opposite (dull). In fact, the floor should have more noticeable panels for better access to any wiring that may lie between decks. If for no other reason, the panels would help the ship to look more functional as a vessel and less like the lower floor of the local Mall. If the panels are there but not visible, it’s still an issue. Perception is more important than reality. It’s a fast slide.
Again, too much “genneric” sci-fi design, not enough TOS. Watch out for the monkey bar.
I think EVERYONE would agree that if the designs paid more homage to TOS, the film would appear to pay more homage to TOS. Pure logic on that one dude. Is the sand in your toes?
Thanks for playing in my sandbox.
o yeah i,ve been a trekkie since 1967 .i,m gonna dig this .trek is gonna BIG this maybe the biggest trek where no trek has ever gone before
I’ll be more interested to see it in the movie.
I don’t think that the pictures will do it justice.
I completely understand people not liking the bright white, but I don’t get the argument that it’s too far out of canon without the red doors and bright colors. As several people have mentioned before, those bright colors weren’t in “The Cage,” so it seems completely legitimate to me that they don’t need to be part of the Enterprise at this point in time.
is it my imagination or are the corridors way too narrow to be bustling with crew? also yea i caught on the ‘2001′-vibe…and i half-expect the communicator’s clear circle to spit out a red light and upon kirk asking for beam-out, the communicator saying ’sorry, i can’t do that, jim.’ xD
Re: everyone commenting on 11, geez. guys, lighten up. Like I said, this is more or less the only thing that’s really bugged me. The Enterprise exterior? I’m fine with it. The phasers? Awesome. I’ve been so pumped for this movie for, what, two years? And this one little thing bothers me, so what. I must’ve watched Star Wars IV hundreds of times as a little kid, cut me some slack that this corridor reminds me of it. :(
(For goodness’ sake, I’ve never even read a technical manual. I’m not That Fan.)
http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/panorama_1_7.jpg
This reminds me of the corridor with the “arch” as I always saw it. It most often showed up near the transporter room and the shuttle bay.
gorgeous. I especially like the interface design — really looks futuristic while retaining flavor of original. I truely beleive that if I had no idea this movie was happening and I saw this design I would peg it for trek immediately.
I think it feels like a logical progression from the Hallways in ENT.. and I do catch a 2001 , TNG, and TMP vibe as well (like someone said.. very bright corridors)
Drew
Reminds me far more of TMP than SW, though I can understand why some are jumping at that comparison. Truthfully, these are CORRIDORS and as such are hardly crucial design elements. From what we saw in the trailers, the crew quarters seem very much in line with TOS. It’s a happy balance in my mind, between old and new and TOS and TMP styles.
Of course, moderation will always upset some on the extreme ends of the spectrum, but will satisfy the majority in the middle. That’s just life.
Haha, nice. They look kind of retro-ish. They’re different, all right, but they seem to fit with the rest of the equipment on the ST09 Enterprise.
Got it!
It’s the H.A.R.M. Space Station from “No One Lives Forever”!
OHHHHHH. It’s Space: 1999 meets Star Wars. Cool. Nothing Star Trek about it.
Nice images. However, nice the sets look – they don’t appear very practical.
I would like to hear the rationale for having tube like corridors that seem to be difficult to maneuver in. The walls curving outward and down to narrow floors seems to be a waste of valuable space and I would think it would be a bit disorienting.
But that’s just me. If the point is to have nice visuals, then they have succeeded. Yet I would like to hear if there is engineering logic behind it.
Maybe Scotty does an extreme makeover later … :)
Regards.
This design is Damn Great WOOOOOOOO
I like the design. But it looks different than the dark corridor briefly glimpsed on the official site when it launched.
Seems like a throwback to the designs of 2001: A Space Odyssey with a little bit of Star Trek: The Motion Picture (the latter being clearly influenced by the former). Interesting designs and very pleasing to look at. I don’t mind at all that it doesn’t look like TOS; that look was of its time but really wouldn’t fit a big-budget quasi-reboot trying to attract a new audience. This works for me. Hopefully we’ll start to get a fwe glimpses of some of the other sections of the Enterprise.
A logical succession from the rounded NX Class Hallways with a bit TMP and pure White… but I don’t get it… why is everything that’s white directly associated with Apple? I mean… Apple didn’t invented “White Colour” or registered it or something like that… it is just a damned colour…
I just wish they had stuck to their original descriptions of “like the old but with HD detail.” I could see designs based on the original show but with all new details and textures. It could have worked just fine… but whatever..
I really like this. It’s really growing on me. You can’t just redo the sixties aesthetic. I know many fans would rather see just a big screen version of the TV show, but what would be the point? Why ruing the beauty of the original? The idea of that show was to imagine what our distant future might look like. That show aired 40 years ago. When they yanked a display open, point-to-point circuits fell out! They didn’t have microchips! In “The Cage”, Spock’s science station prints reports on PAPER! But the Enterprise was as cutting edge as it got in 1964.
Our future has changed so much that this material is ripe for revisioning. The question is, what would a warp ship look like, sound like, and feel like knowing what we now know? These writers understand the show deeply, more so than many give them credit for. The charm of Star Trek has little to do with sets and costumes.
What if alien life actually existed? What if we had the technology to travel to unknown worlds? Imagine setting foot on alien soil for the first time. Imagine meeting an alien humanoid. Star Trek was always in the business of ’strange new worlds’; not sticking blindly to comfortable tradition.
This is the ‘final frontier’. ‘Where no one has gone before.’ Its as if we have never seen the Enterprise before. This is all new. Imagine going aboard her and walking her corridors. Then write your angry letters.
I will say that I like the look of the corridors. I like the Kubrick touches as I loved 2001.
Like Tuvok, I do have a however.
However, this design does not feel like Starfleet to me. It does not have the warmth that the TOS corridors had and the TNG ones as well. I don’t know if it is just me but these corridors have a cold and sterile look to them which makes me warm less to these. what about those trapezium shaped sections in the corridors.
I think it is a mistake to take out the colour that was with the TOS sets. The colour added warmth to the ship, this ship is more cold and less inviting. The Enterprise we grew up had wamth but not getting it with this version.
I have to admit one change in the timeline has changed so much, if this is suppose to be canon.
Now before people jump down my throat remember that I said I like the design but I just wish he was more faithful thats all.
Still hoping to love the film in May. I will end up loving it but I do believe I will still come disappointed by some of the changes Mr Abrams has made.
And don’t criticise the carpet, TOS had carpet and the black floor is too shiny
The walls remind me of the DC Metro stations
I think these corridor designs are absolutely BEAUTIFUL myself. So sleek and futuristic.
Personally I was getting sick to death of the dark and moody look of the previous films. This is Star Trek. It’s supposed to be bright and hopeful and inspiring, dammit.
#90 – “Turn off the gravity plates and see what happens to the crew in these corridors…”
They will float.
“I dislike the functionality. I dislike the design. It’s too gimmicky. Too many light sources, too. There’s too much style over substance.”
It’s a Hallway! What kind of substance does the hallway need to have? Let me answer: It needs to be a hallway, with walls, a ceiling, and a floor, with doors to various rooms. Looks like we have that! So thankfully we have substance. The style is just the icing.
#98 – “If for no other reason, the panels would help the ship to look more functional as a vessel and less like the lower floor of the local Mall. ”
Nothing precludes one or the other. It’s fine.
“not enough TOS.”
You’re right, the new sets look as though money was actually put into them and aren’t going to wobble over.
“I think EVERYONE would agree that if the designs paid more homage to TOS, the film would appear to pay more homage to TOS.”
To you possibly.
Hello, 1977 Rebel Blockade Runner interior.
The Enterprise is now a 70s disco!
a hint of Logan’s Run as well??
http://www.devir.com.br/rpg/imagens/eirpg/videos/logans_run_001.jpg
You know I like the fact that this movie is the first time we will see all new sets and nothing reused, repainted or turned upside down. I cannot wait for this film.
53. ClosetTrekker
I have always been a huge fan of TOS, but I honestly don’t get the need of some fans to see those visual designs or some direct derivative of it. Quite frankly, the visual set designs were not what made me a fan of that wonderful little show.
____________
That’s because, like me, you have a healthy view of Trek as a piece of entertainment, not as a blueprint for the future that must be adhered to and worshipped. Armed with such a perspective, you’re able to take an inclusive attitude toward other artistic interpretations of the settings and characters. The essentials are more in the spirit and ideas. The other stuff is cool, but if it gets tweaked a bit it doesn’t make it any less Trek.
Do I like everything I’ve seen and heard about this movie? Of course not, but I’m not ready to declare “Disaster!” Trek has always redefined itself. This looks like a valid iteration. I’m hopeful that it’s going to be great Trek.
YOU ARE PART OF THE REBEL ALLIANCE AND A TRAIIIIIIIIIITORRRRR.
TAKE HER AWAY!!!!!
IF THIS IS A COUNSELER SHIP< WHERE ARE THE AMBASSSSSSSADORS!!!!
I’ve come to the conclusion that the “Star Trek” that we grew up with is gone. Yes, I know what the powers-that-be have said, that this is a sequel of sorts that loops back in on itself. Does that mean we can compare it to a snake eating its own tail?
The design of the sets will always have detractors. If any one of us were doing the job, we’d have people in charge telling us what to do, and we’d have people cringing and complaining no matter what.
I don’t think the objection is to the white, per se, but to the generic nature of the design. I don’t like it, myself. I think it looks too plastic, too sterile. Very much like 2001 in the absence of any human warmth. These sets could be interchangeable with any other science fiction piece. Alien went in the opposite direction, but Aliens went more white and grey and sterile with the military transport and the hospital facility where Ripley woke up.
I haven’t looked at the detail yet, but I don’t see anything here that grabs my brain and says this is going to be a great movie. Yes, I can tell they spent money. OK. That doesn’t mean squat. I want to know if the story is consistent with TOS. Not so much a canon issue, but a quality issue. I want to see something that fits the “Star Trek” of Theodore Sturgeon, Harlan Ellison, Robert Bloch, D.C. Fontana and Sam Peeples.
“Star Trek” was about the human adventure.
The new design makes me want to say “Open the pod bay doors Hal”
126. Rocket Scientist
That’s because, like me, you have a healthy view of Trek as a piece of entertainment, not as a blueprint for the future that must be adhered to and worshipped. Armed with such a perspective, you’re able to take an inclusive attitude toward other artistic interpretations of the settings and characters. The essentials are more in the spirit and ideas. The other stuff is cool, but if it gets tweaked a bit it doesn’t make it any less Trek.
_________
While I agree with you, I try to be forgiving of some fans’ obsession with the design choices; the Matt Jefferies Was A Pilot, You Know crowd get a lot of their enjoyment of Trek out of the internal logic of the TOS designs, and I don’t think that being engrossed in the fancy that that spaceship design would actually fly is necessarily a lesser form of enjoyment than being engrossed in the fancy that green-blooded creatures of logic will befriend humanity.
I like the panels and the small nod to LCARS on them. I also like the turbolift, if that’s what it is, since it reads “airlock”. Still, I would have gone with a darker colouring scheme and I hate the gloss. I can live with a glossy touchscreen, or whatever, but the shiny floor in combination with the white walls – it looks like a clothes shop for women.
50
I thought of this first when I saw it.
http://picasaweb.google.com/stefan.bruemmer/AndromedaStrain#5194323360694594386
“The future? What are you talking about? This is the past!” – Kirk, ST: Generations
Looks no way like Star Trek. No indication that the producers cared about 40+ years of Star Trek HIStory.
More like Star Wars or any sci-fiction flick.
Very very very very disappointing imo,
seems like the production designer followed Mr Abrahams instructions clearly makin Star Trek more like Star Wars. And thats my greatest fear regarding the new movie.
nevertheless i try to stay cool and optimistic
I wonder which poor Starfleet Midshipman has to shine those floors…
Sterile and not very appealing. Is this a hospital ship or something? Certainly no homage to the original designs in any specific way.
Reminds me of 2001.
“Looks no way like Star Trek. No indication that the producers cared about 40+ years of Star Trek HIStory.”
Correction: No indication that they didn’t care.
It seems that most everyone is applying 21st-century tech to the corridor pix. Truth is, Enterprise floor and wall panels are paper-thin OLEDs and aren’t always black’n’shiny. The Feds can redesign ship interior as easily as we change screen background. That’s what this ship is all about, that’s why we’re aboard her. To explore new curtains, to seek out new moulding, and to boldly buy a nice rug on sale that really brings the room together.
No sir. Don’t like it. Don’t like it one bit.
It’s completely overdesigned for one. And by that I mean lines, curves, angles for the sake of lines, curves and angles. There is nothing (to me) that looks remotely functional. It looks like an update of the typical 1970’s era science fiction design with a bit more glitz.
And shiny. Ooo. Black mirrors for floors.
Be still my heart.
Jeez – hate to be the maintenance crew member that has to keep THOSE floors clean!
For those bemoaning a lack of color, imagine these hallways teaming with people wearing red, blue, and yellow!
In fact, I’d be surprised if this isn’t part of the thinking behind the mostly-white color scheme of the set, to make the people pop off the background. A conscious decision may have been made to let the costumes shoulder the color burden, or be the emissary from the world of 1960’s RCA color TV saturation, if you will.
134. Weerd1 – February 13, 2009
I wonder which poor Starfleet Midshipman has to shine those floors…
140. Lil’ black dog – February 13, 2009
Jeez – hate to be the maintenance crew member that has to keep THOSE floors clean!
—————————
Maybe this will finally be our chance to see Eddie Murphy with the floor polisher!!
COMMANDER!!! TEAAAAAAAR THIS SHIP APART, AND BRING ME THE PASSANGERS I WANT!!!!! THEM ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DAMN THESE ARE NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
128: Does that mean we can compare it to a snake eating its own tail?
More like vomiting out its own tail, I’m afraid….
# 142
LMAO!! Still can’t wait for May 8th, though ;-)
I suspect that I would need sunglasses to walk around those halls. Wow, are they ever bright!
I wonder if the ship ‘wears in’ during the course of the movie. Otherwise, the cleaning crew of Enterprise must be about 2/3rds of the crew.
Needs more Twiki
Hmmm, white walls and black floor. OMG!!! They took the idea from every other show!! How could they. I mean who would of thought of having a nice clean look that white walls and black floor has. C’mon people, do you really have to say – it look like 2001 or Star Wars or some other show. I know most of you that saw this immediately when to Google Images to try to find something that looked like this. You know what, the space shuttle is white and black – OMG they took the idea from the US government. That’s it, I’m not going to see this totally cool and may I add a “REMAKE” and “REDESIGN” of Sar Trek. I mean you you hear those words, wouldn’t you think, “I hope it’s just like TOS?” No of course not!! So who cares!!
Wow, that’s real – I’m getting snow-blind AND claustrophobic.
Put Kirk, Spock, and McCoy in any hallway and it’s Star Trek to me!
TMP/TNG/TOS styles combined work for me! :D
JJ Abrams is a GENIUS!
Rock on, NEW Star Trek!
Graak, I think you’re missing the point. My frustration (and I think I speak for more than a few…) comes from the fact that this is STAR TREK, and as such, should be different from every other science fiction film that’s come out since 2001. There was always something about TOS that set it apart from the rest.
STAR TREK’s philosophy can be seen in the original production design. There was color. There was life. TOS was always about the humanity, and every other living, breathing species. This ship design is cold and sterile, doesn’t feel anything like STAR TREK. It’s just the same old utilitarian design as everything else. The fact that it’s interchangeable with any other sci-fi movie speaks to this point. It’s not distinctive enough to be STAR TREK.
This goes back to my other complaint about the science fiction shows all using the same twelve or so actors. I mean, am I watching “Star Trek”, “Stargate”, “Farscape”? They’re all interchangeable anymore because of the cross-pollination of casts. It’s a nice wink every now and again (like PC showing up in BSG tonight…), but I think it’s gone a little too far. The shows no longer have distinguishing characteristics. They’re all now sub-compact cars that were designed by committee.
154
Star Trek’s philosophy had nothing to do with the original design. The fads of the period in which the show was made is what influenced the original design.
I would hate to be the one who has to keep the decks clean.
No Jason P Hunt – co-creator of COMET TALES, Graak does get it, and so do I. Reading your comment almost makes me want to laugh. I guess if we were to go by your assessment, then all of the Star Trek movies and every other series other than the original should not be considered Trek because of the “colorless” production design. My god man take a chill pill.
P.S. Part of the reason so many people make fun of TOS is based on the production design. It looks like a damn color festival. (Believe me, I do like it, but seriously man, its waaaaaaay outdated!)
#9 It goes around and around because it is the saucer section. The old blueprints had corridors that followed the roundness of that part of the ship. I would imagine the corridors on the secondary hull would be more linear. I wonder if this Big E has the ability to separate the saucer section from the secondary hull in case the damage to the star drive section was too much to repair and they needed to get away from it? Cripes, I just geeked out, didn’t I?
Nice to see they have iPods in the corridors for crew to listen to while they walk back and forth during the scenes…I couldn’t zoom in enough to see if they had Spock and Adam’s jam session on the playlist….Herbert! Herbert! He is not Herbert. We reach!
#156 they have little iRobots hidden in the panels of the walls of the corridors that come out and clean when it detects dirt and such;)
I miss the LCARS of the movies , TNG&VOY.
This newer style is like any other one we have seen in any other sci-fi.
Just sayin, it aint the end of days ;) but the movies and next gen screens had a realistic look to them, very useable. I dont get that there from these terminals.
They aint bad, just nothing special to me. . . Love the corridor tho…
(there really is no pleasing some of us!)
Also, I think, and maybe you can clarify Anthony P, that the panorama views may be a little bit brighter than the actual movie corridors. They are still bright in the movie, but I don’t believe they are that washed out.
Anyone figure out what those weird “interlocking” graphics on the corridor walls mean? I almost think it’s some kind of signage. “Left turn ahead.”
TOS had a lot of colour because they were taking advantage of colour television… this has a lot of (what some would deem) ‘unnecessary detail’ to take advantage of high-definition television…in a way, it’s production canon -_-
163.
Quite true. The need to have such overwhelming color was because of the lack of high quality color television. Now they can take advantage of high definition television.
@162:
They’re so-called “active walls”. Toothed folder hierarchies for a future-generation surface display technology. Note the inverse on recessed door menus.
Geez… if you “purists” want the old ship.. watch your DVDs and relive all the old glory over and over. This is a movie and the cheap plywood sets that looked great on 60’s TV will not cut it on the big screen. That is why they redesigned evrything for TMP… What works on TV and what works on the big screen are not the same. Get over it people. If you don’t like what yuo see.. then, by all means, DON’T go see the movie. I am so tored of all the whining! You are worse than my 9 year old daughter when she doesn’t get something she wants.
166
Tell me about it. They get on my nerves so bad.
The only thing I don’t like is the waxed floor – very staged looking. Like a typical low-budget TV show where they roll the sets.
Makes my eyes hurt. The floor is too damn shiny. Walls look far more sophisticated than the equipment. The design reminds me of Tantive IV, and the round, tubular like shape of the coridors and the placement of lights on the ceiling remind me of ENT.
Overall i hate it.
I wonder what sound the doors will make. I had hoped for the old “pfssss” sound, but it doesn’t look like that would suit these doors.
for those complaining about the ’star wars’ look…have you even LOOKED at the Tantive corridor for comparison? http://www.omahajedi.com/Rob%20in%20Tantive%20IV%20scene.jpg
hmm, let’s see… the walls are white, yes…and there are some roundness where the floor and ceiling meet the walls….but the similarities end there… and even the shade of white isn’t the same…maybe it’s the lighting (because it looks different in the trailer, though that could be from editing in post) but these corridors are more of an off white, and actually seem fairly warm…
Wow! Finally something that really makes me want to see this movie!
Gangway!
Corridors are boring. I demand a bridge panorama.
There are three issues here:
1) do you like the corridors in general, as something neat to look at?
2) do the corridors look like they belong in a real starship? and…
3) do the corridors look like something from the TOS world?
There’s no way these corridors came from the TOS universe….
Beautiful!!
Thank God they didn’t go with a dingy, grunged-up look (though that would go great with the Kelvin). Did anyone else notice the little speakers to the sides of the com panel in Corridor B? Nice touch.
By the way, whatever happened to that “Easter Egg” pic of the angled corridor from way back? Was that from the Enterprise’s “steerage” section? :)
The floors are shiny so you can see up all of the skirts…DUH!
And yessss! There ARE a few pearls of wisdom in this thread:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
55. Bully – February 13, 2009
And that, folks, is the reason Trek fans are the butt of jokes everywhere.
“Did you see the new Star Trek film? It’s amazing?”
“Meh. I didn’t like the corridors.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
126. Rocket Scientist – February 13, 2009
53. ClosetTrekker
I have always been a huge fan of TOS, but I honestly don’t get the need of some fans to see those visual designs or some direct derivative of it. Quite frankly, the visual set designs were not what made me a fan of that wonderful little show.
____________
That’s because, like me, you have a healthy view of Trek as a piece of entertainment, not as a blueprint for the future that must be adhered to and worshipped. Armed with such a perspective, you’re able to take an inclusive attitude toward other artistic interpretations of the settings and characters. The essentials are more in the spirit and ideas. The other stuff is cool, but if it gets tweaked a bit it doesn’t make it any less Trek.
Do I like everything I’ve seen and heard about this movie? Of course not, but I’m not ready to declare “Disaster!” Trek has always redefined itself. This looks like a valid iteration. I’m hopeful that it’s going to be great Trek.
It’s like they took the NX-01 interior designs and went forward in time and design.
I guess it was too much to hope for a panorama of the bridge. XD
I can certainly tell it is a corridor on the deck of the Enterprise.
You also can’t forget that half of the color choices used in TOS were simply to say, “Look we’re a color tv program!”
176. Gary Seven of Nine
I agree with your assessment. The look of the corridors is just a penny in my bank. What I really care about most is if this is a good and entertaining movie that honors Trek spirit. Beyond that, as long as its visually pleasing as this is, I’ll buy it.
_______
btw, just watched TMP for the first time in six years. My thoughts are much as they were before: an interesting piece of 70’s sci-fi with a good Trek spirit and fantastic soundtrack, especially the opening overture. And I still think there is too much visual and not enough character. But they fixed that in TWOK and my hopes are that this movie will have a good balance between both.
They at least do not look old style Trekish. My biggest dislike is shinny glossed floors. To me that reminds me that the design must have been supervised by the Generals that use to tell Reagan that we can not beat the USSR. In a military point of view shinny floors are a counter productive purpose unless you have the Mag-Lev shoes from Kirks last movie (STM6). But you have to remember those Hollyweed Paper shuffles think every thing has to be spit ass shiny or they will not make a profit. Will they ever return to reality or always stay in their protected perfect world shell. The only thing they need to keep shinny is their metals and awards they give each other.
Why is everyone acting like they haven’t seen this before? Didn’t we all see Kirk and Uhura running thru the hallway in the trailor a while back?
“It looks too much like SW, or BSG & Trek should look different just like the other Trek shows!”
Wow.
Decloaking . . .
No design continuity from what was to what will be.
If it was for a new sci-fi flick I’d say great!
But, like the bridge, it doesn’t feel like Trek.
Recloaking.
Ok, how about this…
The Enterprise is a BIG ship! So I’ll betcha that somewhere on the ship the hallways of yore still exist! We just haven’t seen them yet!
How does that sound?
Yeah, thought that’s what you’d say.
The Turbolifts have double doors, and they close in two parts, like cats eyes.
The second set of doors are from transparent aluminum.
Airlocks, I guess.
Which is another first, that has a Stanley Kubrick touch for a Starship from 2265 in it…
Are we all forgetting the obvious!?
This movie is a prequel set somewhere between “The Cage” and “Where No Man Has Gone Before”.
The interiors of Pike’s Enterprise in “The Cage” were not very colorful at all!
So, in my own opinion, the monotone color scheme is quite in keeping with canon.
(I just know someone is going to point out how Pike’s ship was very gray/silver and the new Ent is very white.. Therefore making my point/comparison wrong.)
looks better on the inside than the out, though thats not saying much in my opinion.
@187…
to illustrate your point, SE57
http://thorstenwulff.com/korridor.jpg
@187, 189 I have to say, yes. World of yes. I concur entirely. Besides, to me this all feels like…I don’t know, like Star Trek as it would be if made in the twenty-first century. I mean, if you want to go with a clean, more “utopian” style future, wouldn’t you want your starships to look clean and sterile? To me at least, this design makes much more sense, considering contemporary styles, and such.
Looks like a retro-TMP design, something that could have happened if TMP had been done in ‘69 instead of ‘79. Which is, of course, an interesting approach. I would have thought they’d go back to TOS and update it, instead they went to the movies and retro-ed them.
Feb. 14 2068 ~ Apple computers makes their own space shuttle which has the capability to reach Mars in only one month.
2122 ~ Apple soon is the only providor of computers on Earth, forcing most of the worlds gamers to leave the planet (On shuttles made by Apple)
2139 ~ NASA realizes that they utterly screwed finacially, and could only send an astronaut as far as Kentucky.
2200 ~ NASA is shutdown, and the US government (along with other major powers) lets the newly formed Apple Space Service (A.S.S.) carry out all extraterrestrial endeavors.
2210 ~ The A.S.S. is tasked with building fleets of starships, all of which come with the latest Apple computers and iTunes. Captains may choose to buy more applications for their starship, however they must do so out of their own pocket.
~~~
lol seriously… It looks like they tasked Apple to come up with all their designs.
Reminds me of 2001: A Space Odissey…Which is cool, but I would have done a darker atmosphere…It’s just…Too bright
I want to SEE the damn movie already.
For I want to know the meat and potatoes of it already. Enough with the revamp and remix; with the flash and the zoom. I want to know why I should care about these characters, given they are being re-imagined.
Time travel to stop a crazy guy from drilling the planet to bits? Is that all?
How about time travel to restore time-line? Hasn’t that always been the goal?
In addition, can’t we have a post-credits scene like in Iron-man? Maybe Nimoy and Shatner walking off into the sunset? Or something like that?
Oh, and after seeing the new Transformers trailer, I really hope THE POWERS THAT BE kick up the marketing for this movie, because *everybody* is going to be looking forward to Transformer 2 this summer. The visuals are huge from the looks of it. Star Trek won’t even be on people’s radar unless someone kick-starts a wicked promotional campaign soon. Watchmen better deliver the goods. You gotta admit, Transformers already has a huge base with all the kids who saw the last movie. Star Trek has to rock out with its Harry Kim (Garrett Wang) out, if any kids are gonna go see it.
Show me the movie!
Irwin Allen-esque floors. Love the 23trd Century linoleum. (As opposed to TOS poured concrete flooring.)
Looks like a showroom for an “eco” house!
If they just tone down the shiny bright whiteness, it’d look okay I think :)
I can’t believe we still have to go through ALL of March and April before we see this movie.
Anyone got a working Guardian of Forever?
That did it. I have decided I dislike the new design of the Enterprise, inside and out.
meh
@192…
why should Starfleet go for the second best?
I love it…. truth is.. however it looked,some would like it, some would not like it…. design is subjective… it’s why we don’t all ware the same clothes and drive the same cars!!!
Captain Pike: “Cadets! The first order of business on a starship is that you wipe your feet before leave the transporter room when you come on board! We’ve been proud to win Starfleet’s coveted “shiny floor” award two years in a row! Carry on!”
Cadet #1: “But I stepped in alien, well, you know…”
Pike: “Then take off you boots and carry to them to your quarters, MISTER! Use you brain!”
hard to keep clean but nice!
Wow! The floors are so CLEAN!
But, seriously, It’s just a TV show, OKAY?
You need to stop bellyaching about the corridors…
There is NO quantum flux,
there’s no auxilliary,
there’s no GOD-DAMNED SHIP!!!
YOU GOT THAT!?!
(Yeah, I think it looks like Galaxy Quest… XD)
In the first few episodes of TOS the turbolifts had two sets of doors, like real elevators would have. Inner and outer. But they quit that very early, too complicated to work I guess.
Thank god the new design is not influenced by the TOS design. Hated it so much that could watch TOS completely only one time.
We don’t want nostalgic, 60’s TOS design suckt all the way. Trek was always about search for the new and change. So why keep old fashioned creepy looking ship interiors ? pah
Watched all other episodes 10 times =]
@ 111. lostrod – February 13, 2009
“Nice images. However, nice the sets look – they don’t appear very practical.
I would like to hear the rationale for having tube like corridors that seem to be difficult to maneuver in. The walls curving outward and down to narrow floors seems to be a waste of valuable space and I would think it would be a bit disorienting.”
The Rationale (pressure vessel design #101):
Actually, it makes perfect sense. Remember this is a *space* craft, operating mostly in a vacuum.
Imagine you were stood in a corridor when the hull breached in an adjacent compartment (or vice-versa; you were in the compartment & the hull breached in the corridor) which kind of bulkhead would be more likely to hold against the sudden depressurisation, curved or flat?
Where possible you never, *ever* put any kind of corner (or even tangental join between a curved suraface & a planar surface) into a pressure-bearing structure, because those will form weak points.
That’s why submarines have rounded hulls, rather than pointy water-piercing prows – and why space craft always have as rounded a habitat section as possible (look at the orbital module on a Russian Soyuz spacecraft). It’s why aircraft have curved doors to conform with the fuselage & rounded windows.
It’s all about resistance against tension and/or compression, & for that, you can’t get much better than a spherical or cylindrical profile.
This is a GOOD design. It’s completely practical from an engineering point of view. And I can tell you now, without the aid of a crystal ball, this *is* what the interiors of future space craft will look like – baring some major revisions to the laws of physics!
WAA WAA WAA … What a bunch of whiners!
No matter what is done in this movie, you won’t like it. If the made an exact copy of the 60’s TOS… you’d still complain about something. It’s so boring. WAA WAA WAA go watch your DVDs…
so tell me, have they ever done anything else with that “viral” site they started with the shots of the ship being constructed over a year ago? I get the feeling that entire thing was just abandoned.
I wonder what product placement this movie will have..? definately apple? I think lol.
It looks awesome – the problem is that it just doesn’t look like Star Trek to me. I see the sets, and I don’t immediately get that feeling that I’m watching Star Trek. There’s a special vibe associated with a ST production and I’m missing that when I look at those corridor panoramas. I know, it’s a subjective, intangible feeling – maybe once I see the movie it’ll change my mind.
Everything just looks too futuristic and streamlined. Some might dismiss the blockiness of the old sets as an artifact of the 1960’s and budgetary issues, but it’s become part of Trek. It’s identifiable as Star Trek. This is why I’m really digging James Cawley’s “Star Trek: Phase II” and why I’m nervous about this new film. So far, the sets remind me of “Anonymous Cheeseball Modern Sci-Fi Movie With Spaceships and Starfights Ripped Off from Star Wars”.
Despite EVERYTHING I’ve seen so far, I still hope this movie rocks.
I just wish they’d show me something that would lead me to think that it will.
#172
I know Stanky, and you, my friend, are no Stanky.
I love it… I think it looks great!
But… I wonder if there’s not a few different deck designs. If I remember, the ship is apparently supposed to get more “utilitarian” as you go down in decks toward engineering. And maybe I missed it, but I didn’t see anyone reference the deck designs from the old http://www.ncc-1701.com Enterprise “webcam” construction site. In that site, there were hidden images of a corridor aboard U.S.S. Enterprise.
http://trekmovie.com/images/ncc1701/nccsecrethall.jpg
Maybe their is more than one deck design on board? The photo linked above looks more like something you might have seen in TOS… and also looks more utilitarian, so may be down in the primary hull.
Honestly, I haven’t seen too much that is discouraging. I was a little bit put off that the bridge was so bright and not more like TWOK or TUC, but hey… its a new revisionist Star Trek… I’m interested in seeing whatever comes out!
SChaos1701 & THE GOVERNATOR
I’m not saying it has to look like TOS. I readily acknowledge that the color scheme was very dated and took full advantage of the whole “TV is color now!” wow factor. I’m perfectly fine with the new design having a different aesthetic from the original show.
My point is that this new design is not distinctive from any other science fiction movie. It could be 2001 or Star Wars or Galaxy Quest. The fact that it’s not unique is what bothers me.
And the original design aesthetic did add to the warmth of the stories. The color and architecture are part of what made the Enterprise a character, not just a conveyance for the cast. Even in the movies, the ship felt like it belonged in a TREK movie. So far, this one doesn’t.
Having said that, I’m still up for seeing the movie. I hope it does well, but I hope even more, that it respects the original material and tells a good, solid STAR TREK story.
What I find most interesting about all this is that there are over 200 posts talking about … corridor design.
Whether you hate the designs, love ‘em, or are ambivalent, can you imagine any other franchise (with the exception — perhaps — of Star Wars), that could sustain a 200+ comment thread about corridor design?
Draw your own conclusions, but I draw this one: set design IS important to Star Trek and its fans.
Scott B. out.
Those corridors are somewhat reminiscent of those in 2001…
They look quite good; but they’re only corridors, after all.
I didn’t realise so many other people had made the ‘2001 observation’. If I had realised, I wouldn’t have posted mine. Btw, good post: 44. C.S. Lewis – February 13, 2009.
@214
I’m almost positive the ’secret corridor’ is from the Kelvin.
Also, I really like the ceiling of the Enterprise corridor for some reason… it’s a bit odd that the same lights along the sides are also in the middle (every other light) but I like how the larger lights show a bit of design continuity with the Kelvin (assuming I’m right).
#219
Your Kelvin connection might be right… and the change from the design we recognize to the design we see above now might come from the time line alteration…
#71—”Anyone who says they don’t like 2001: A Space Odyssey is not a credible judge of science fiction. Write that down.”
Puts me right to sleep…
@221…
come on CT, I know you love the Blue Danube!
#98—”I think EVERYONE would agree that if the designs paid more homage to TOS, the film would appear to pay more homage to TOS. ”
I don’t don’t want the film to “appear” to pay homage to TOS.
I’d much prefer it to actually ‘pay homage’ to TOS.
What that means to me is present an optimistic vision of a possible future for Mankind in which Humanity does not destroy itself, but instead, unites to conquer the social ills which plague us today and finally, to explore the final frontier.
Combine the presentation of that vision with good storytelling, perhaps some social commentary that isn’t far from the surface, romanticism, action, adventure, sexuality, and a little bit of humor—and guess what?
You have a film which actually pays homage to TOS.
#222—-zzzzzzzzzz…..
I said: MEH
The bridge set looks pretty cool, but this is just boring and bland set design.
Andromeda Strain.
I love the movie, and its designs. So why would I not like these?
I always wondered if some of those original AS corridors were recycled into TMP corridors.
223. Thank you, Closet. Well said. You’ve put in words how I’ve felt all along.
#126—”That’s because, like me, you have a healthy view of Trek as a piece of entertainment, not as a blueprint for the future that must be adhered to and worshipped. Armed with such a perspective, you’re able to take an inclusive attitude toward other artistic interpretations of the settings and characters. The essentials are more in the spirit and ideas. The other stuff is cool, but if it gets tweaked a bit it doesn’t make it any less Trek. ”
Thanks. And I agree.
#155—”Star Trek’s philosophy had nothing to do with the original design. The fads of the period in which the show was made is what influenced the original design.”
Yep, that and the fact that color television was something still quite new. The production designers were taking advantage of a brand new toy they got to play with! Of course, retrospectively, so many would like to believe that there was some deeper meaning behind the bright color schemes that went beyond that—but that’s reaching, and IMO, laying it on a bit too thick.
#228—”Thank you, Closet. Well said. You’ve put in words how I’ve felt all along.”
You’re welcome, my friend. And it’s always nice to know we’re not alone, isn’t it?
I wonder if the sound FX on site is lifted from the actual sound design of the movie. If so it appears they’re creating all new effects. I’m not a purist by any sense…but I hope they sneak in some of the iconic sounds from TOS. (We had a hint of that in the trailer from the Red Alert klaxon.)
I got a big kick out of the DVD release of ST:TMP Director’s Cut. They went back and mixed in some sound effects from the original bridge design. I thought that was a nice touch…and when they added the “energize” sound in front of the transporter beam.
It’s probably cheesy by today’s standards but I hope they keep the sound of the original doors and phasers. Maybe some elements of the transporter too.
I am coming into this conversation a bit late and don’t have time right now to read most of the previous comments, so if I am redundant, forgive me.
First impressions: This is a pretty sterile environment and most of the crew members are going to have to be graduates of the Floor Polishing and Dusting Divisions; rather than, oh, one would presume the more boring studies of AstroPhysics, Warpfield Engineering and Space Medicine.
Second impressions: As a shootable set, this might work out just peachy when the halls are populated with extras wearing the colorful uniforms that we’ve seen so far. I seem to remember a thread speaking to a much greater wardrobe selection than what’s been revealed.
Either way, this is what’s been shot, so love it or hate it, it’s it and that’s that.
The white Wildfire corridors from Andromeda Strain.
They even had Apple Eyesight Cameras mounted on the walls…
http://thorstenwulff.com/andromeda.jpg
#231—”I hope they keep the sound of the original doors and phasers.”
I don’t know about the phasers, but it has been confirmed that the doors still make that iconic sound.
The Communicator whistles are the same, too.
I was really hoping for the colored doors from the original, but that’s about all the quarrel I have with these.
Someone said of the corridors: “too much style over substance”
WTF does that even mean? It’s a hallway for crying out loud.
BTW: Everyone talking about how the new Enterprise rips off Star Wars needs to remember the very first pilot, “The Cage.” Roddenberry and crew chose the all-neutral design from the get-go. It was NBC that demanded more color, therefore we got new uniforms, with the addition of the Red Shirts, and much more color on the bridge.
Oh, and its supposed to be different.
I hate comments from pre-judging know-it-alls. Eat it!
223: “I don’t don’t want the film to “appear” to pay homage to TOS. I’d much prefer it to actually ‘pay homage’ to TOS.”
Come on, Closettrekker. I am course referring to “visual homage” in my statement as we are all talking about the look of the corridor. I am a graphic designer. A film can be designed to 1) communicate the homage through the script and 2) the visuals.
Oh, and Lucas ripped off Kubric – ergo, the Tantive IV copied the Discovery, the Lunar Shuttle, the Orbital station, and the Moon Base.
The uniforms are going to look way out of place in this ship. There will be a disconnect. Not sure how it will affect everyone as a whole—but some existing fans will come out of the theater with the feeling that something was wrong (visually).
#115: -
Interesting observations. I thought they did look a little more ENT-NX-Class, but a less steel and more… white. I think the NX-class ships were built for function and this particular Constitution-class to be at least a little aesthetically pleasing.
And… that’s because Apple (Macintosh, whatever) made their iPods white, aaand they have the characteristic white headphones, aaaand…. yeah. So nowadays white = pure.
(Pst… PC > Mac all the way!!!! mwahaha…)
Dave…… What are you doing,……. Dave?? Dave,………? Daisy Daisy………………
Hello Dr. Daystrom. I my name is Sal 9000. I am so proud to be a member of this ship.
3 words: I like it.
Have you guys ever seen TMP????
The bridge and colours used there are similar to the bridge from TMP.. including the stations that jut out.
The corridors are very similar to the design of the Enterprise from TMP … there the walls were slightly more angular instead of curved.. but it was white. Here.. check for yourselves…
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/artoftrek/ed-corridor-ex-er.jpg
Do they dim the lights at night? :)
221:
Have to agree with Closet. 2001 was a snoozefest for me as well.
Great FX for the time, though.
Around 1997 when Steve Jobs returned to Apple,
all Computer Hardware was beige.
Then came the iMac, everything went color. Bondiblue, strawberry, tangerine etc. The iBooks came in the same flavors.
When Steve unvailed the first iPod in 2001, it was white.
Followed by white iBooks from some sturdy plastic. And the iMacs, first looking like flowers, then the flat version.
These days, the iPods are not white anymore, they come in a lot of colors like the early iMacs. The Macs are all made from Aluminum, except the smallest iBook, which is the last remaining white Mac.
As usually, Apple moved on while the competition still copies what they did five years ago.
This is the Starship Appleprise… lol
#239—”Come on, Closettrekker. I am course referring to “visual homage” in my statement as we are all talking about the look of the corridor. I am a graphic designer. ”
If “visual homage” is what you’re looking for, I hear that James Cawley does a fine job with “New Voyages/Phase II”. Apparently, it is quite visually nostalgic.
All I can say is thank goodness there are no earth tones or shoulder pads in this movie–at least not as ubiquitously as in TNG and the rest of the Shoulder Pad Generation.
For all the people waxing about functionality and iBridges, how the hell do you make sense of what we were force-fed in the 90s?
There is a certain geometry and science to minimalist design and the psychology of space. Things need to be bright, very bright, to simulate the peak of a solar day. It’s never been addressed on screen, but it’s all over the books: these ships have to be lit on solar cycles for the well-being of the crew.
Put a crew into space with grey walls lit the same all day and night and they’ll go batshit Richard Daystrom on your ass.
#246—-Those were my thoughts as well.
#248—Thanks, AJ. I usually get accused of “blasphemy” when I admit that….
:)
@252…
Yep Tuber, just the ubiquitous Delta. It is everywhere. Tiny woven into the shirts, and even on Kirks dufflebag on Delta Vega.
@253…
hehe,
I know you too well to start defending my patron saint now, CT…
looks like 2001.
I don’t know… it kind of reminds me of that movie with the monolith in the desert, with these apes that fight about who controls that water hole… where this one ape under the influence of that singing monolith get smart, and he starts to kill animals and other apes with bones that he uses as weapons… and then he throws that bone in the air, and it becomes a spaceship.
#252 LOL Yes! No fracking earth tones or shoulder pads!
The more I watch TNG, the better this new Trek looks.
“There is a certain geometry and science to minimalist design and the psychology of space. Things need to be bright, very bright, to simulate the peak of a solar day. It’s never been addressed on screen, but it’s all over the books: these ships have to be lit on solar cycles for the well-being of the crew.”
Agreed also. Let’s hope they dim those blinding bridge lights at the appropriate times, too.
#247 haha thats a good idea
as for the corridors i really like them i think when we see the crew walking around in them it’ll look even better.
Anyone remember Cheech and Chong?
2001: A Space Odyssey:
Hal 9000: “Hello, Dave.”
David Bowman: “Huh?”
Hal 9000: “Hello, Dave.”
David Bowman: “Who?”
Hal 9000: “Dave.”
David Bowman: “Dave?”
Hal 9000: “Yes, Dave.”
David Bowman: “Dave’s not here!”
#260—-Yes! That was perfect.
241
Its nice to know that you have the ability to see the future. Next time you’re there could you get me the lottery numbers?
230. Aye, brotha.
#207
Good points.
Yes, I understand that curved ceilings are more structurely sound that flat. However, I don’t think that would be a significant on interior walls.
The rounded walls would still appear to be somewhat disorienting (maybe it’s just me) and seems to waste a lot of traffic space on the floor.
Regards.
You know, I dont not like it.
Its just I have seen these before.
Logans Run
Alien
Apple Store
TMP
2001
Galaxy Quest
Hitch Hikers Guide
Star Wars
I just wanted to see something new…not a composite of all the past SciFi
Oh yeah, Space Mountain at disneyland
It’ll be hard to watch the movie while I’m looking at the floors to look up Uhura’s skirt…
Looks fine to me.
I don’t know, they look familiar, yes but they are very polished–in design that is–and professional looking. I thought the I-pod design was universally well liked?
RAMA
#269—This design is apparently liked as well (despite a few negative posts), at least by those who have chosen to respond to the poll on the right.
As of now, 250 readers have responded to the poll, and only 17% of them say that they do not like it. That’s roughly 42 readers. Of course, 250 people is a relatively small sampling, but it is interesting to note that the percentages haven’t changed much at all since the initial posting of that poll question. These polls are not perfect representations of fan thoughts as a whole, but they are far better guages than merely going by the content of the comments section below these articles.
After all, the overwhelming majority of visitors to the site do not bother to comment at all—-according to Mr. Pascale.
by the way.. I have no idea why you guys keep referring to the iPod when talking about the bridge and the corridors…
MY iPod IS BLUE!!!
And the Apple store in Montreal has wooden tables with glass display cases and colored walls. I think iPods were white when they first came out but you guys have no idea what you are talking about.
How about a unique idea.. GO SEE THE MOVIE BEFORE WRITING IT OFF
261:
Closet:
Was counting on you!
It looks like almost everything but i doesnt look like star trek
#272—If only Hal had told Dave that he was pretty sure the cops saw him come up here…
#273—-It must have been awhile since you have seen TMP.
Glad I’m color blind. Because evidently there’s no color in space either.
#276—-According to Dr. McCoy, it is disease and danger, wrapped in darkness and silence!
:)
I’m excited to see the differences between these spaces and the more functional areas of the ship. Having served on a ship, I can tell you that some parts are really clean, some parts have carpet, some parts look like the inside of your car’s engine block… It all depends. I think we should be careful judging these images that we don’t conclude that (1) every part of the ship looks like this; or (2) no part of a ship should ever look like this.
Not sure why some people are surprised at this. It isn’t like we DIDN’T SEE THE HALLS IN THE TRAILER.
Amazing. I only hope when they eventually put up character shots on the StarTrekMovie.com site people don’t freak out when they see there are new actors playing Kirk, Spock and crew.
#278—Excellent point. I spent quite a bit of time aboard ship as well (although I am a former Marine, not a sailor). The corridors were even painted differently from one area of the ship to another. Even just the birthing areas were not the same everywhere. The largest vessel I ever served aboard was the USS Guam, and the Starship Enterprise would be far larger than that. I would expect the asthetic look of the interiors to vary even more.
I think #174 said it best.
“1) do you like the corridors in general, as something neat to look at?
2) do the corridors look like they belong in a real starship? and…
3) do the corridors look like something from the TOS world?”
These are what we should ask ourselves when scrutinizing these shots.
No, I don’t particually care for the design, but they do look like they could be part of a spaceship, as it looks a bit like other SciFi spaceship halls. No, it is not from the TOS world. Especially the control panels. There were no such interfaces in Kirk’s time. It was all buttons and switches, Not modified Ipods! In short, I do not like the hallways. Yes, I did noticed them in the trailer, but I had bigger things to nitpick then.
When I served aboard a navy ship, a shiny deck was something you always looked for in an inspection. By the 23rd century, I would think that a zero-maintenance flooring material would be commonplace.
BTW, the sets look great. Can’t wait to see ‘em on screen!
Wow. Some of the comments are quite ridiculous and far reaching. I think people are grasping with the star wars comparison…especially the pic that was posted earlier….a white square’ish hall…compared to a round hall. Hrmmm.
In any case, I see far more echos of The Motion Picture than any others…and I think that’s what this movie is doing nicely, bridging the style of TOS and TMP. A tough job, and an even tougher fan base to contend with.
@225 The TMP-Set was completly different – very similar to the TNG corridors. You must have seen another movie, maybe an i-pod commercial?
I hate the corridors! What was wrong with the obviously concrete soundstage floors? Think of how much Paramount could have saved if they had bought parts for the comm panels from Radio Shack!
If I don’t hear the sound of boots walking on a wooden floor during bridge scenes, well then this movie will be a H-U-G-E disappointment.
Sorry, #275 not 225
I stick by my comment about those who “snooze” during 2001 (#221)
It speaks to the very nature of our existence, the definition of life, and the cycle of creation. Plus it was executed beautifully and with great subtlety. It’s an interesting film that doesn’t feel the need to explain itself.
But I guess the Star Wars prequels generation would favor bash-you-in-the-head CG plus laughable dialogue (”I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”) over thoughtful film making. Barf.
#281—”There were no such interfaces in Kirk’s time. It was all buttons and switches, Not modified Ipods! ”
It was “all buttons and switches” in what the people behind TOS imagined Kirk’s time would be like back in the 1960’s.
This is what the people behind STXI imagine Kirk’s time will be like now.
Imagine how general audiences would receive being asked to believe that a 23rd Century starship would be all “buttons and switches”, not to mention wires and color-coded tapes!
It would be utterly absurd to regress the vision of this future for Humanity to being restricted to the boundaries of what was imaginable more than 40 years ago.
“Yes, I did noticed them in the trailer, but I had bigger things to nitpick then.”
And that just about says it all. Doesn’t it?
287. You’re absolutely right about 2001. It’s an art film set in space with a lot of thought and subtlety built into it. There’s been nothing like it before or since.
The thing is, one is not always in the mood for that kind of thing. I acknowledge it for what it is, but have to say that it’s not a movie I reach for very frequently.
It demands a lot from the viewer, that’s for sure.
I am happy to see that the ship reflects an embrace of a bright optimistic future. In the era of ‘the dark knight’ and BSG and other ‘post 911′ stuff we arent getting the USS Galacticaprise full of darkness and roughness
It of course is predictble however that the ‘i hate change it scares’ me crowd are still bitching, but again the poll shows that it really is this same 15% of purists….and nothing short of recreating the TOS ship down to the last bolt will make them happy
@277…
And No One Can Here Youre Scream!
284 – Knut…
you obviously didn’t watch TMP… here’s a pic of the corricors from the TMP Enterprise.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/artoftrek/ed-corridor-ex-er.jpg
289:
Rocket Scientist: Hit it right on the head.
@280…
LPH-9, CT?
@292…
Hey, you with the blue iPod… yes you.
Check out your links after posting them, okay?
No hotlinking with EXASTRIS.
Thank you, canadian dude.
295 … how the heck would I know that until after I posted it. seesh. I’ll find teh link elsewhere for you.
haha, no problem, I was kidding.
Everybody who wants to see that image can copy the UrL into the adress window.
#287—”But I guess the Star Wars prequels generation would favor bash-you-in-the-head CG plus laughable dialogue (”I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”) over thoughtful film making. Barf.”
That isn’t my generation, nor is it AJ’s. You’re describing (and generalizing) my kids’ generation.
It’s rather elitist to say that one has to like a particular film in order to establish credibility. I like some sci-fi. Most of it—I don’t care for.
I simply find “2001″ to be boring, despite what it has to say. I saw it (decades ago), and I get it. Some films are worth many repeat viewings to me. 2001: ASO just isn’t one of those. I’ve tried. It makes me sleepy.
So you can ’stand by’ that statement if you wish, but that doesn’t lend it any more value. It is no more an absolute than my own opinion that “2001″ is boring.
Write ‘that’ down.
284 – Knut … and others…
here’s the TMP Enterprise corridors. Hope the link works now. Thanks Thorston.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd24/pmw67/untitled.jpg
Overall, I think that the design here bridges teh gap between TOS and TMP. And guys, stop being so anal about every little detail. Like someone else said.. if you want the exact same look.. watch Phase II…
#294—-Yep.
It has since been sunk by the US Navy (as a target in an exercise around 2001 or so). It had been decommissioned in 1998.
I also served (as commanding officer of a Marine engineer platoon) aboard the USS Trenton and (briefly) the USS Tortuga. I spent the most time aboard the Trenton (LPD-14). It was also decommissioned (2007), but I understand that it has been transferred to (and recommissioned by) the Indian Navy.
These are all amphibious assault ships and amphibious support vessels (which is the reason for the heavy Marine presence).
@300…
I met some vets on the USS Edson in 2000.
They served on amphibious assault ships in Vietnam,
and teached me the difference between Blue and Brown Water Navy ;))
I still don’t get why some of these (un)true “fans” want JJ to create sets that show a lot of technology that is obsolete in the actual present. Just sadness.
#301—The crews aboard the ships I was on referred to themselves as the “gator navy”. It is common for there to be just as many (and often more) Marines aboard them than sailors.
Let’s get it straight. “2001″ is indeed a pioneering film. When I got a laserdisc player, I got the Criterion Collection multi-disc collection, and I watched it in all its glory. In 1989. That’s all I needed. Nver watched it since. It is ponderous and quiet. I prefer “2010″ as a film to watch with my pizza and beer.
But it also speaks to what Samrock83 had to say about it back in #287. It’s not a black or white issue. The film requires a particular mindset, plus 160 minutes of time, and both are hard to come by these days.
I also don’t subscribe to the worship of Stanley Kubrick. I saw ‘The Shining’ recently, and discovered many new wonderful things which I attribute to Nicholson and his female counterpart. When I saw “Eyes Wide Shut,” the film absolutely sucked wind, and Cruise and Kidman blew major chow in their roles, as they do regularly.
I essentially look for films for my kids, or poppy films for people with brains. “2001″ is like sitting through a great Geometry class. Glad you did it, and glad it’s over.
@299: This is not the original tmp corridor. the corridor on your picture is the repainted tng version. But both versions, the tmp und the tng, have no similarty to abrams i-pod corridor, except that they are a corridor. Its not only a wrong color and a overstated lighting in abrams enterprise, the entire shape is completly different.
303.
Go Gators! I was the Auxiliaries & Electrical Officer aboard USS PEORIA (LST-1183) in the 80s. She too is now resting in the briny deep somewhere off Hawaii, having served her country one last time as a target ship.
The corridors remind me of the Andromeda Strain. Star Trek-The Motion Picture’s corridors were concaved. Oh and by the way, 2001: a Space Odyssey is still he best of the best. Check it out on Blu-ray!!!
305 – Knut..
The used EXACTLY the same corrider from TMP in TNG.. no refurbishing was done. Go check the DVD of TMP.
I’m just saying that JJ’s corridor looks more like the TMP one than it does Star Wars. Catch my drift?
So the general consensus is that if hollywood wants to remake, reimagine, whatever… an old beloved TV show they should always modernize it and not pay very much attention to that old show? Just make it cool and interesting, don’t pay any homage to it. I am having a hard time understanding. I think Star Trek was one of the most important shows ever, or at least in SciFi. If you’ve ever paid attention to shows like “How William Shanter changed the world” you’d know that a lot of our technology and ideas came from the realm of Star Trek. And now we can take that show and completely mess with it? I thought people on this site were Trek fans, not Action movie fans. Whoever said us purists should just watch our old DVDs of TOS instead of watching the movie, I might just do that. Somehow I think Star Trek is no more.
“It’s our show Jim, but not as we know it.” At least we sill have Cawley and Phase II. They are at least trying to stay true to cannon.
309. You’re dealing in absolutes. “Always” modernize it? No. But if they choose to do so, it doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t capture the essence of the original work.
Staying true to canon is one interpretation. Updating things for a modern viewing audience is another. Both are equally valid.
My own attitude toward this movie is: “Let’s see what’s she’s got!”
305. Knut …
My mistake.. they DID alter the corridors when they used them for TNG.. they painted them darker. The original ones were white.
309. Capt. Roykirk
So I guess you weren’t a fan of any Trek after TOS. every single incarnation in each movie and every series was changed. Every series changed it drastically from TOS. The original crew movies changed everything.. ship, interior, bridge, uniforms, equipment… Yes, same people in the parts.. but much different vibe than TOS. TOS is TOS.. it is stand alone. You CANNOT go and put Phase II on the big screen.. it will not translate well. It will look cheap. It is fine for a web based program.. or even a TV show from the 60s. They even had to remaster TOS so it would look better in digital HD and BluRay.
I grew up watching TOS when I was a kid. It’s my favourite series by far. But as a FAN… I have an open mind to change. TOS was great when it was and where it was.. it just cannot be done the same way on the big screen.. even Roddenberry knew that.
Here are the actual TMP images and they are very different from TNG:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/RAMA4444/themotionpicture0241.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/RAMA4444/themotionpicture0285.jpg
Well, I don’t really like the new look of the corridors at all…it’s got that slick, shiny 2001/TMP-esque look to it, a look which I’ve always found bland, uninteresting, and ugly. Just because it’s the future, doesn’t mean everything has to be either clean white or shiny chrome…does it? I mean, they *do* still have colors in the 23rd century, right? Besides, that is, that lovely shade of “cool blue” that futuristic societies can’t seem to get enough of…
Okay, rant over. Having said all that, though, I can live with it, just as I can live with not really liking the new Enterprise…because those kinds of things aren’t ultimately that important– they’re not what’s going to make or break this movie. So long as the plot is exciting, the characters are interesting and likeable, and it’s, you know, actually a good movie, I can ignore any amount of hideous “futuristic” design that JJ and co throw at me.
Deal?
@313…
right, Rama.
These were Macbook Pro corridors.
Like anything else AJ does, he screws it up.
The sets look great. End of story. End of argument. That’s final. If you say otherwise, then you’re wrong.
314……you know, its really nice to see an SF show that doesn’t look like Alien/Supernova/Event Horizon…you name it. Its great to see a futuristic space movie for once!
303 My brother closet
Engineers up! Whoa. Landmines, bangalores, and hammers. Nice!
Arctic Alpha Company TBS 1987 here. Comm O. USMC Verizon Battalion.
Regarding 2001, I have your back (of course) as well. While I watched it as a film fan, it never made a positive impression on me. As a matter of fact, I find it unwatchable straight through, and I’m no film slouch. Problem is, so many of its fans find the need to defend it to the death. I would argue TMP was a vast improvement in both depth of story concept, and execution. Hell, TMP is Raiders of the Lost Ark next to 2001. I think the problem with 2001 is that most of the people that saw it in 1968 were baked/stoned, it “changed their life, man”, and they confuse that fond memory with the quality of the movie.
Rod Serling’s Planet of the Apes was the best sci-fi film of 1968, and it has aged 1000 times better than 2001. Put THAT in your book.
Yes the sets do mimic some of the style used in earlier films but these new sets look like they belongs in a computer core, a NASA clean room, or a Vegas runway and stage. Its too damn bright. I work in a lab that has white counter tops, white walls, and white painted equipment. The light is no where near as bright as what it appears on these sets. This would not be a functional level of illumination. It may look cool for a movie but its just far too bright to work under these type of conditions.
Capt. Roykirk,
Sigh. Watch the DVD’s and enjoy them. Honestly. But, don’t belittle others for enjoying something new and please accept that there are genuine Trek fans who may actually like this. Purists aren’t the only fans. I think we’ve got a wide universe here.
I like the set design so far, though I am iffy on the new bridge. The corridors seem to pay homage to TMP as well as “ST – Enterprise” an I see a bit of the original “The Andomeda Strain” and “2001,” too.
The corridors have a slight nautical flair… not too wide (remember, in space maintaining an “oxygen gravity” environment is energy prohibitive).
Someone mentioned the shiney floors… go on any modern US Navy vessel and you will find floors you can eat off of, why expect any less on a spacefaring naval vessel?
I like this ship, it’s exciting!
less than 24 hours to go (for me)… woo hooo.
poll: “Thoughs on newly revealed USS Enterprise interior corridors?”
um Anthony….. “Thoughts” maybe?
sorry for the gentle thrashing.. no agonizer booth for you (this time)
BIG grin
Anyone else noticed the very “Franz Joseph’s Constitution-class Blueprints” style diagram of the underside of the Enterprise in the background of the Comm Terminal & smaller Access Panel?
The first pic just looks like SW! I hate this $(/&§$%(/!!!!
http://s4b.directupload.net/images/090215/i363vfai.jpg
Why do people get so bent out of shape about this stuff? The interior and bridge of the Enterprise changed in nearly every single movie.
It’s my humble opinion that anyone who likens the UI design on those panels to an iPod is either on crack or has spent the last eight years throwing their hands in front of their eyes every time they thought they might see a picture of an iPod. These panels seem to have fallen prey to the generic sci-fi “let’s throw lines and circles and parts of circles that spin around and squares that float by and random splotches of unreadably small text everywhere until the screen is full” school of production design. The LCARS touchscreen design of the TNG era, while far from practical for real-life use (can you imagine having to learn to use something like that? *shudder* …and I thought the AS400 at work was bad…), at least looked like it probably made sense in the context of operating a spacecraft. This stuff, on the other hand, gives me the impression that Starfleet hired an army of Flash animators to program the Enterprise computer core. Apple is guilty of many things (mostly dropped balls), but design like that ain’t one of them. If this WERE the Appleprise, as so many Windows users have wailed above me, you could actually walk up to one of those panels and know how to use it. Y’know, God forbid. ;)
Of course, I’m quite certain that I’ll be too enthralled by the plot and characters when I’m actually watching the movie to pay any attention to the griping in the back of my head about the comm panel controls. It’s good that Star Trek is still alive and kicking, in whatever form, and that’s what’s important about this movie.
Come on you dweebs! We won’t even be seeing the control panels up close in this movie. I can’t imagine why anybody would get their panties in a bunch because of it.
@328: Exactly. As I said, when I’m watching the movie I know I won’t care. But you know how fun it can be to nitpick the future afterwards (or, in this case, beforehand). :)
Uggo.
Sad but true — these halls scream of Star Wars, 2001, pretty much everything EXCEPT Star Trek. This design isn’t ST. Nice, sleek. Not Trek.
It funny how these “fans” are saying that the panels aren’t functional obviously don’t know that NASA’s new Orion spacecraft is going to have touch panels like this.
330 HOW US THIS NOT SLEEK
Not only does it remind me of 2001 but it also reminds me of the access corridor in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
Fugly – nough said!
it already looks outdated
The corridors of a new star trek star ship design should have been ultra minimalistic, with no visible features, they should glow and emit light,
when needed the nano-technology walls would create a screen and touchpads and they would vanish when not needed, only showing a visible dot where a panel could be invoked.
looks great!
too many comments to read, but my first reaction was the thought that JJ was inspired by the Millennium Falcon
Wonderful design. Futuristic, believable, and paying homage to some classic as 2001 and Space 1999. I’m very pleased.
I always liked the halls and decks of TOS. I don’t care if the dimensions were wrong and too much space was used to be in a real ship. I always liked the look and that familiar hum you heard as you walked out into the ship halls. It was comforting to me as a kid for some reason. Still is. Maybe if Ben Burtt does something with that I can get over the look of it.
337
And I agree.
316:
Captain Archer:
Say what?
316:
I make it a point never to insult anyone on the boards. They are a form of entertainment, and it is not fun to receive pot-shots from individuals hiding behind nics like “Captain Archer,” the lamest of all captains.
This thread has been somewhat benign, and I’ve expressed an opinion or two, with some humor, about “2001.”
If you disagree with one of my opinions, say so. But, don’t insult me, please.
@327…
well said, Shunnabunich,
have you ever heard of the HAL project?
http://www.halproject.com/hal/
The Andromeda Strain.
As Gizmo would say …Bright Light…Bright Light…This is more THX1138 than it is of STAR TREK. Way too much illumination. A very shiny penny….
“Kirk and Uhura run through corridor outside the bridge”
So…..deck 1 is now more than just a bridge?
@ 47. C.S. Lewis no doubt,
If people cant see the this is a modern twist on 1970’s sci fi then you are blind. Honestly, white corridors, the shapes in the walls, the logos on the walls, I mean its not rocket science. Look at battlestar, Space 1999, 2001 a space odyssey, logans run, all very similar. Even the outside of the shit has cues from the 70’s
I respect the opinions of everybody here,
But somehow I doubt people will be leaving the theatres in droves because of CORRIDOR DESIGN!
People will take it all in and decide later how they feel about it .
“What that means to me is present an optimistic vision of a possible future for Mankind in which Humanity does not destroy itself, but instead, unites to conquer the social ills which plague us today and finally, to explore the final frontier.
Combine the presentation of that vision with good storytelling, perhaps some social commentary that isn’t far from the surface, romanticism, action, adventure, sexuality, and a little bit of humor—and guess what?
You have a film which actually pays homage to TOS.”
…and TNG, and DS9,Voyager and Enterprise. One of the things that DOES differentiate TOS from the spinoffs IS it’s visual style. All the other things you mentioned are in the spin-offs..granted those elements weren’t utilized to their greatest potential, but they were there. TOS has a signature style that makes it TOS. I’m not opposed to this motion picture-2001 hybrid, but a little more lean towards the iconic styles of TOS would have only made it better.
JJ Abrams has done such a fantastic job of remaking the remake of “Lost in Space”.
I can’t wait until the rest of the cast of “Friends” makes an appearance.
—– what? It isnt’?
—- STAR TREK you say? No… go one…. get out…. THIS is Star Trek?
—- Really? But it is just so….. 1995 i-mac!
—- Paramount allowed it, you say?
—- mass appeal? Original fans can suck his what?
—- Abrams never actually liked Star Trek you say?
Well, at least he didn’t do something impractical and stupid like make a reflective shiny viewscreen.
—- he did? And no one tried to stop him, huh?
—- Abrams decided what? That Klingons and Romulans were too difficult to remember so he combined them into ‘Klingulans” played by the cast of LOST?
—- Dropping easter eggs of his other shows into Star Trek you say?
JJ Abrams. Douchebag of the film industry.
350. silencer
I’d say its time for the silencer to be silenced.
350 – “JJ Abrams. Douchebag of the film industry.”
After reading your post, I’d isnt J.J. who is…
I always thought I was just an ordinary fan of Star Trek. I guess I was wrong because I definitely do not treat Star Trek as more valuable than gold or platinum like most do. My God, you people are INSANE. I’ve never seen so many people care about something that doesn’t really matter (specifically the corridor). I love the show because of the characters and spirit not because of the carpet and door frames. The corridor looks different. So what? Its different. Does that mean that this is all of the sudden not Star Trek? I find it puzzling that when people see something, they automatically try to compare it to whatever their minds can find similar. Why not take something for what it is? This is a NEW movie with NEW actors and NEW effects and NEW direction. I would have thought people would have gotten over the fact that it looks different by now. This is NOT the original series. It is NEW. Get over it. Like it for what it is. And what is it, you ask? Well, lets see if I can remember……. Oh yes, its a MOVIE!!!! Wow, I never would have guessed. Its like everybody here has super-inflated OCD. Just relax and take a chill pill. Something tells me you will live (long and prosper) ;)
I must also admit I have a love for artistic design and engineering and have studied it on numerous occasions since i was.. like.. three, and I find absolutely nothing wrong with that design. From an engineer’s perspective, it looks much more (futuristically) believable than any other Star Trek design I’ve ever seen.
There was no iMac in 1995.
God, so nice… I want to see the Engine room so bad now
@356…
Well, it looks not like the corridors around the bridge, Cody…
353.
If you take whatever they send out way, there’s no need for discussion. Therefore, no need for the discussion board except to approve it all and exclaim how excited ypu are for the film.
ok did no one notice the little recessed area on the left side of Corridor A? It does look an awful lot like the area opposite the ladder Sulu climbs in ‘The Naked Time’. Or how Scotty accesses the engineering decks on the Constellation in ‘The Doomsday Machine’. Jeez, has no one watched the show?
I wish there was a poll option for “Don’t like – find hideously ugly.” I don’t really care whether they’re what we’re used to or not, but I *hate* those corridors. They look like the corridors on the starship Heart of Gold in the ancient BBC television adaptation of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.
347. Chadwick – February 15, 2009
Lol, you’re spot on. It seems the logic goes something like, ” ‘Retro’ is cool. The 1970s are retro. Ergo, Star Trek should look like the ’70s.”
Far out, man, dig it! Now I can’t wait to hear the music in the redneck bar. CSN? CCR? Alabama? Stones? (I hope not.)
Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis
358. McCoy – February 15, 2009
Indeed, sir. The benefit of living in a great Republic is that one has freedom of choice in the marketplace. We must make buy/not-buy decisions every day or we are poor stewards of our family’s finances. In this case, it helps that we all, for whatever reason, take especial interest in Star Trek and care about its stewardship, too. But this conversation is the same as found with fans of various automotive marques, NFL franchises, and barbecue aficionados. The great difference here is that many are closer to political ideologues and religious zealots than any “Ford versus Chevy” people I know, lol.
As it happens, my interest in the design is much the same as assessing bird entrails: clues to the future.
That is to say, it’s merely an enjoyable form of speculation. However, I do hope that the stories are more faithful to my conception of Star Trek than the revisionist visual style seems to portend.
Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis
#332 – I said it was sleek, just NOT Trek. I mean, It looks okay. I just don’t feel Star Trek from it…
I think the production designers here don’t quite realize that Star Trek has its own respected and true styles. Star Trek doesn’t need to borrow from anyone or stand on anyone’s shoulders. Star Trek made it on its own and has survived a lot longer and a lot better than Star Wars. Star Wars should be borrowing designs from us!
The S.S. Heart of Gold is a sleek white running shoe.
Like this:
http://tinyurl.com/bfdvnf
358. McCoy
Your point is well taken. I just sometimes feel the need to rant and express my inner feelings.
So now we know, the corridors borrow from:
Hitchhikers,
2001,
Clockwork Orange,
Star Wars,
Andromeda Strain,
Space 1999,
UFO,
The Avengers,
and Fritz Langs Metropolis.
Ah, well, and some of the James Bond movies from the 60s of course!
They could have at least TRIED to make it look remotely similar to the TOS interiors…or something Star Trek-ish. This borrows from every sci-fi movie and TV show I can think of EXCEPT for some form of Star Trek!!
I suppose I’m the only one who noticed a bit of similarity between this and the NX-01’s flat screens. And those, in turn, were inspired by the blinking lights on the monitors in TOS.
I’m saving judgment until I see the movie. Then I can say, “THIS ISN’T TOS STYLE ITS A DISASTER WHAT WERE THEY THINKING THIS IS A DISASTER” ;)
Nice Suit.
Hey #368 (thorsten)…You forgot “Santa Claus Conquers the Martians”! :)
@372…
darn, Moonwatcher, you caught my weak spot!
First impression, not wowed by the decor… Second impression, why the heck did I just scan 370 plus posts about a corridor? LOL! Truly, I wonder! Frankly, the die is cast, there’s not much sense in getting worked up into a slathering frenzy. And really, do people still debate the design asthetic of that Lost In Space movie? Come release date, we’ll get the real deal.
350. silencer – February 15, 2009
Nominated for flame of the week
I’ve decided to enjoy the process no matter the outcome. Put myself in the hands of the filmmakers and allow them to play out what they’ve got in mind. All the haters have this idealized vision of Star Trek that never existed. No movie could live up to that.
You ‘corridor nazis’ are completely missing the point of the show! You ‘overgrown computers’ are so concerned that the ‘logic’ be sound. ‘Is there nothing more?’ you keep asking yourselves? The more is a greater understanding of how that unshakeable triumverate of Kirk-Spock-McCoy came to be. I’m so excited to see what transpires to causes Spock to take his place ‘by your [Kirk's] side as if he’s always been there and always will be’. Isn’t that why we watch? Don’t you all want to see that?
“Yesh but the distshtance between the busstschard collectorstsch has to be exsthactly…” SHUT UP, SPOCK! WE’RE RESCUING THE FRANCHISE!
357. Thorsten
So what does the engineering section look like Thorsten?
Big Brother has yet to insist that everyone go to this movie. So, if you feel your childhood was compromised by what you think you may believe based on small snippets of film released well before the opening…. stay home. I won’t miss you.
If it sucks…THEN you get to do the “I told you so” dance.
But not before.
All this white is blinding! I would get “snow blindness” if i get to work in a place so white 24/7, my eyes would hurt. And on the bridge, how can anyone look at the monitor with all these white lights on, space is dark, you couldn´t distinguish a light reflex from a flying saucer on screen. :`)
I´d rather have the confortable beige hotel colors from the “Enterprise D” :)
Square corridors = not architecturally sound
Grey corridors = too depressing for people deprived of solar cycles
Push-button communicators = 400yo technology
Design consistency between shows = limited budget for ghettoized SciFi
And besides, the timeline is altered when Nero shows up in the Kelvin’s time.
Death to shoulder pads and earth tones! Long live harsh color palettes!
All this has happened before
And it will happen again
20 years ago: Same discussion when we looked in horror upon the beige and orange during Encounter at Farpoint. However, years later we recall 1701-D with fondness.
@376 “SHUT UP, SPOCK! WE’RE RESCUING THE FRANCHISE!”
I second that motion.
Longing to see an official Enterprise bridge in the meantime?
Here is the actual hi-res 360 panorama of the NCC-1701-D
http://www.360cities.net/image/enterprise-bridge
@377…
well, the part that I saw looked rather like the insides of an factory building…
312,
Actually I did like the other incarnations of Trek. I consider myself to be huge Trek fan. I didn’t care that Enterprise D, Voyager or the other main ships didn’t look like each other, or like the TOS Enterprise. Of course they wouldn’t, they are different ships built in a different time period. As for the Enterprise of the movie, it was a refit, and A was a different ship, so no I wouldn’t expect them to look the same as the original. My gripe about this movie is that this is supposed to be the good ol’ 1701, THE ENTERPRISE. But this new one does not look like it inside or out. I knew they wouldn’t just rebuild the exact same ship and sets, but I think they could have made them look at least a little like what TOS had, and still be believeable.
The more I look at it it seems like an updated version of the NX-01, so if that show would have been the first star Trek, and this was soley based in that, I don’ think I’d have as big a problem.
356, I want to see that too. And as the engine was never actually shown on screen in TOS I will probably be ok with it, as long as it somewhat resembles a Warp Core.
#384 – You are right. Every movie and every show had a different bridge design but they were all still consistent with Star Trek! Nobody tried to squish the Enterprise into an ungainly turd or white-wash the walls into Star Wars. Every past attempt was recognizable and familiar as part of Star Trek. This stuff just isn’t.
It’s not disgusting or unpleasant to see. But it is hurtful. Sorry to say. Star Trek designs were always the best in any sci-fi. Now they’ve been marginalized and mainstreamed. The designs that made Star Trek so unique and so beautiful are gone.
Here’s seriously hoping they change it again for the next movie.
I guess some people just missed the irony. The irony that the corridors of this new-Trek-for-a-new-generation remind so many people of 60s and 70s sci-fi icons. Especially after the elaborate metaphor of the Corvette Toss.
(and FYI we can build pressure spaces now that aren’t cylindrical or spherical. And we tend to fill the ones that are with floors and walls.)
What’s old is new again: groovy-looking corridors….
Perhaps they’ll give it a splash of color during subsequent refits (?) Don’t forget that in TOS there was the “Cage” era bridge with the viewscreens on flex-tubing, not to mention the ‘laser’ pistols. . .
Yeah, I’ d like to see more than the corridors, but you really have to hand it to J.J.: sometimes less is more, and he’s got ‘the tease’ down to an art form.
@387…
The good news is that after may 8 no one will talk about the wallpaper anymore ;))
#361
“Far out, man, dig it! Now I can’t wait to hear the music in the redneck bar. CSN? CCR? Alabama? Stones? (I hope not.)”
Why not? I have no doubt future humans and James T Kirk will appreciate the brilliance of The Stones just as much as we do. Though I suspect McCoy is a Beatles man, while Spock gets down to Kraftwerk or Can. ;)
Many fans, when presented with the idea that the TOS sets lacked ‘reality’ or looked cheap, will reply that it didn’t matter. They used their imagination to make a blurry viewscreen image into a Klingon Battle Cruiser or an Orion starship. Plywood sets became starship corridors. Etc.
Yet, many of these same folks are now up in arms over those same corridors being rebuilt in a manner which might be slightly more realistic to other audience members. Can’t they use that same imagination now?
389. sean – February 16, 2009
I just played too much “Stones” when I was a kid blowing tenor sax in an R&B band. Everyone wanted to hear the Stones… and “Free Bird” of course!
On the other hand, you haven’t lived until you see a 250# biker-dude cry in his beer at 2AM, listening to some old CSN tune.
Bones probably likes the old Cowboy music. I see him as an harmonica man dreaming of the range.
Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis
390: “Many fans, when presented with the idea that the TOS sets lacked ‘reality’ or looked cheap, will reply that it didn’t matter….many of these same folks are now up in arms over those same corridors being rebuilt in a manner which might be slightly more realistic to other audience members. Can’t they use that same imagination now?”
Not sure we know the same group that used their imaginations to overcome the 60’s budget issues is the SAME group that is now expresing a dislike of the new corridors (along with Macy’s cosmetic department Bridge and the Uglyprise).
There are two levels of critique one can venture forth: how do the designs feel as practical solutions on a starship? and how do the new designs fit in with what we know from Kirk’s era? You see, that’s the real stickler. We have seen the designs from the TOS era ALREADY—and these designs are not a fit. If they did, there would be more happiness.
If one does not care about the design (that means that person is open to anything) then there’s no real need for discussion. I bet that same person, would have been fine with sets much closer to the source and continuity.
You see, when you bake chocolate-chip cookies, you have to have the chocolate-chips, otherwise, it’s not a chocolate-chip cookie. If you add raisons, it’s still not chocolate-chip anymore. Now, there can be BIG chocolate chip cookies and small chocolate-chip cookies, but you immediately know that they are both chocolate-chip cookies.
I really wanted a Big chocolate-chip cookie.
God I hope this ship explodes.
What drama…
It resemble 2001 Odyssey period.we need some whom is passionate of space travel and can write drama.Also a designer who can relate to the original early design.we need Star Trek !—not a beauty saloon.
#392
I can only go by the commentary I’ve witnessed personally and that offered in other areas here on TrekMovie, but based on those observations I’d say there’s at least a 60-70% crossover. That’s just my experience, admittedly.
I accept your chocolate-chip cookie analogy but I don’t think sets are analogous to the chips (big or small). See, as you said, a chocolate-chip cookie without the chocolate-chips just isn’t a chocolate-chip cookie. They aren’t the only ingredient, but they’re definitely the most important. I don’t think the sets are that critical to the recipe. They’d probably be closer to using a free-range egg or brown sugar, for me. The crew, the chemistry, the spirit – these are the critical ingredients.
Getting away from baking for a moment…I’m a lifelong TOS fan. I would not have been open to *any* set that was simply labeled ‘Engineering’ or ‘The Bridge’. For me, these newer designs are reasonable and yes, recognizable as Star Trek. For others, they aren’t. I don’t understand that, but I can accept it.
In a related vein…..
Ultra-high-resolution Borg Chamber panorama…
http://www.360cities.net/image/borg-chamber
Oh dear god! Quibbleling over the corridors are we? A corridor is just a corridor. There are only so many ways a corridor can be done.
So what if all sci-fi corridors look pretty much the same, They are just going for some sort of visual impact.
The TOS corridors were just a straight office building type walls that curved down the hall. The shotkies and nurnies on the walls were painted cardboard tubes and packing foam. I always though the the TOS corridors were lame even when I was watching the episodes back in the 60’s. But I knew, it was the budget. Imagination went a long way back then even in watching a television show.
This movie wether it tanks or busts blocks will not change anything about trek. All the old series and movies we loved from our memories are still there sitting on our DVD and VCR racks ready to be relived anytime we want. So please stop this crap about how this movie will ruin trek. It won’t
If the trek universe can survive Bill Shatner’s crap fest “Final Frontier” and “Nemesis” It can surely survive this movie.
Remember guys. There is no more new trek on tv or film. If this movie does good, we can hope to see more. If it does not, there won’t be anymore new trek for a really long time.
God I hated it when Enterprise was canceled. It was good. It was not what alot of you expected out of trek, but it was different, refreshing, and the stories were good. (if you could forgive Backula’s acting)
It sucked that it got cancelled, because that meant no more trek on TV.
To revive the franchise new trek virgin blood has to brought into the fold.
For the films to be successful and the film companies to keep making more films, the franchise has to be brought up to date to attract the money.
It’s not very pleasent to hear but it’s cold hard reality we have to face up to.
Apparently us old guards can no longer financially support making more movies.
Anyhoos if it’s hardcore, unrelenting, devotion to treckology you want there are still the fan films.
I think they have labled the movie as chocolate-chip, but it’s really white-macadamia nut.
It’s still a chocolate chip cookie.
It’s just not the same chocolate chip cookie you are used to.
It’s Pepperage Farm to what was once was the Keebler that we grew up with.
Star Trek isn’t Bill and Leonard and cardboard sets. It’s Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise.
So what if it’s now Chris and Zach? Gene, DeForest, and Jimmy are gone and Bill and Leonard aren’t going to be around much longer either.
But Star Trek will always be around. It just wont be what we remeber that it used to be.
The same thing happened to us old guys when Start Trek went from being Bill and Leonard to Patrick and Brent. Most of us gave it a chance and it turned out to be good. I have a friend that still hates the Enterprise D.
Well nuts to him I say. She still a good ship.
Star Trek is going to evolve like it always has. Like it or not. It a fact we have to deal with.
400:
It’s not chocolate chip anymore. LOL….isn’t this fun?
I can live with the new cast. I don’t really like Quinto’s voice, but in general, I like the cast. Also, not asking for cardboard sets or even exact reproductions. Just things much closer to TOS. It was possible.
Besides, the communicator, tricorder and phaser were not cardboard and yet they were changed too. The newbies won’t give the gear a second glance…only us techno geeks. So there’s no reason, for realism or other, the gear had to be altered to that extent (unless they represent Cage-era gear and will change later).
My second choice would have been for them to adapt more from TMP simply because it’s closer to what “Gene would have done” if he had more money during TOS. I would not go that direction, but given the idea that TOS was not what Gene really wanted, TMP designs would have be more true for TREK fandom than what we have above.
It’s not just whether or not the designs match TOS though, it’s also the elegance level. The TOS and TMP ideas were industrial space tech in the functional areas of the ship (corridors and bridge). These corridors look much more grand than industrial.
I can see your point. TOS and TMP had a more military-industrial flavor to them.
Well less in TMP. I always felt there was more an office building architectural bent to those designs.
The apple-ish “iStarship” design of the new movie is only a reflection of the design sensibilities we have now. Just as the designs of the TOS and TMP were a reflection of thier respective eras.
Anyhoos just look at how the design of the communicators and phasers have changed from series to series and movie to movie.
These corridors make much more sense on a functional level than the TOS corridors. You could have driven a Buick through those suckers! These just look like more rounded versions of the TMP corridors (especially that hatch/door in the 4th pic down). The submarine feel of the movies is very much present here.
401. McCoy
Not industrial? I take it you haven’t herd about engineering.
Looks like 2160: A Space Odyssey. Obviously, someone has no idea what Trek is supposed to look like.
Will there be apes throwing bones?
404..
I heard rumblings about engineering being more industrial. But no pic. Still, the same designs should be applied to the entire ship. That’s the point. The bridge and corridors appear too posh for Trek. IMO. Maybe Engineering is fine…maybe old school. Like the voice of the Enterprise, anything old school is most welcome and would prove that old school is ok.
Just from a practical viewpoint. Round corridors would be a huge waste of space. Having every wall curve inward is lost space for something else. Storage, etc. All the rooms on the other side of corridors would have walls that curved the other way which would be weird unless the void was filled with storage. I would imagine on a ship like that space would be at a premium. The only practical reason I can think for having rounded corridrs would be in the event of a loss of artificial gravity.
#316—-That is completely uncalled for, not to mention entirely false. Does your mother know you’re playing with her computer?
#349—”……and TNG, and DS9,Voyager and Enterprise. ”
The first criteria…yes. The second…that’s debatable. I didn’t find the spinoffs to capture the romanticism and sensuality found in TOS, nor did I see the kind of two-fisted action we were treated to from week to week aboard the NCC-1701.
I found TOS to distinguish itself by far more than its visual designs.
In fact, the marked difference in visual styles between TOS and the spinoffs isn’t even something I would give much thought to. Why would I? TOS was produced in the 1960’s. Of course it was going to have a different visual style. It also envisioned the distant future full of buttons, switches, switchboard wiring, and bulky record tapes with paper printers.
It is more than 40 years later. As things have changed around us, so does the prospect of what the distant future will possibly look like. I don’t expect the 21st Century interpretation of 23rd Century asthetics to be any more like its 1960’s predecessor than I expect the alien women depicted in STXI to be wearing go-go boots and heavy eyeshadow!
407
agreed.
besides with $150mil you would think we would get something besides reworked ENT corridors. :-)
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/2/29/NX_corridor.jpg
#410
The Enterprise corridors aren’t round. They’re square, but the archways are round. If you really compare the two, the similarities are few and far between.
CT 409 – “..than I expect the alien women depicted in STXI to be wearing go-go boots and heavy eyeshadow!”
yes, but hope springs eternal!
…
I think the issue of whether this Enterprise is supposed to be a Cage-era ship should be pretty easy to figure out, especially once the 2nd or 3rd COUNTDOWN arrives. Do we have anything yet that indicates Stardates?
McCoy’s “I hope this ship blows up” line above is silly, but he’s probable on to something. There’s no way the Enterprise is going to come out of a protracted battle with the Narada without requiring a very very serious stay in spacedock. Based on the kind of warfare we’ve seen with the Kelvin, the Enterprise will be heavily damaged. But if the Enterprise is newly built, then we can’t expect the aesthetics of the ship to be much different, inside or out. Except maybe a little Kirk-appropriate dim lighting.
411
/shrug
looks to me like they slapped a bunch of white molding across those archways and called it a day…
(of course it is possible that we only see these corridors for a few seconds in the movie)
412
shh
I’ve had that quiet hope for a long time now, trying like mad not to give it life because I don’t want to be disappointed. But the bridge just looks to me like it is “greebled*” up the way you would do if you wanted something to look the same but different. And the ship looks purposefully distorted in the same way.
Alas though, we have seen the toys…
*(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeble)
The Enterprise is still a beloved character and a “hero” regardless of her time period, configuration or Universe of origin.
Through NX to NCC, 1701, A,B,C,D, E or J, I still adore her, possibly more than any other character. If any ship can be more than just a ship…. it’s her. She has always exceeded the demands of her captains and always brought her crews home. She is the constant.
407.
Actually from an engineering stand point you could runn quite a bit of conduit, cables, and equipment behind the upper and lower walls of a circular hallway. The curved walls would just be a fascad hiding all the cable and lines and conduits that you would need to run a ship like that.
Look at submarines. the have all kinds of pipes and data lines and conduits running along the hallways.
They are a copy of Space 1999 corridores. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. And 30 years ago.
I think what it boils down to is this:
- not that the corridors are different from TOS
- not that the corridors are the same as every other science fiction piece from the 1970s
I think the biggest thought behind the concerns about the design is what it says about the filmmakers’ ideas about the franchise. It doesn’t show a consistency with their stated goal of being “respectful” of canon. Not that canon is the absolute have-to that some fans make it out to be, but if a filmmaker says “It’s going to look like A” and then we get Z, there are going to be some negative reactions.
I’m actually starting to think this might be a big psych-out. I read just recently that Ron Moore had wanted to include the Ship of Light in the new BSG. Could this be it? The finale of BSG launches the TREK reboot?
You know, this must have been a close vote among the ST Judges. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Orci must have voted against this and the Enterprise design. He must have. He must have! These designs are all so wrong.
Although, you know, I always liked the Holodeck and cargo bay doors in TNG more than the regular doors… so I’m not minding the door at the end of ‘Corridor A’ at all. A bit of sunshine in an otherwise cloudy day
414
I agree…a quiet hope for me as well. The bridge and corridors are so over-priced, it does reach that point of wondering if we are meant to feel that way. Like that’s part of what will get fixed once most of Nero’s musings are corrected. The clear panels on the bridge actually seem to define where the real wall should be. If you look at the toy bridge pictures, it seems more as if they removed panels to expose more stations related to the bridge. The stations where red shirts stand are bound to be in the way. Plus the excessive lights…
If the ship has a class system, where the lower levels are industrial and upper levels are posh, this implies perhaps this Trek universe is more of a true democracy rather than the socialistic “everyone is equal” mantra more common with most Trek shows. This fundamental issue may be reason enough for Spock to go back in time to “fix” things. Once he succeeds, changes will occur. In order for the audience to recognize changes have in fact occurred, the initial ship has to be pretty flamboyant.
Perhaps Nero’s escapades in the past halt Earth’s movement to a green economy and increases our reliance on fossil fuels (drilling rig experience; canyons in Iowa; oil drilling buildings in Iowa?; industrial San Francisco;).
The statement of the movie would be that the movement to “green” energy and away from fossil fuels is the spark that set’s up the positive “one-earth” united federation (and united, equal yet somewhat socialistic economy) that we remember from TOS. Which, is also part of the future we thought we were getting before Kennedy was shot.
As long as some visual stuff goes back to normal…. :o)
Where is the Color…Where is the Imagination!
This looks like going to the Dentist!
*sigh*
Anybody working on this piece garbage actually see the 1960’s show called “Star Trek”?
You know, there’s a lot more to a ship than just the corridors. Just sayin’.
414. BK613 – Thanks for adding a useful new word to my vocabulary.
421
well said. sir.
you know, perhaps the crux of this whole thing for me (and the reason I feel so conflicted when I really want to be nothing but excited) is that the designs don’t seem very well thought out .
What do I mean by that? Matt Jefferies went through hundreds if not thousands of drawings developing the interior and exterior of the original Enterprise. His designs gave attention to not only trying to create something that looked like nothing ever seen before but at the same time tried to present rational reasons for why things were the way they were.
The engines are powerful and dangerous? Place them far from the hull where they can be jettisoned. Spacewalks are hazardous (and expensive to show on TV?) Design the ship so that the majority of the repairs can be done inside. Etc. Etc. Etc.
And because he took time to make it make sense to himself, down to the smallest details, it ended up making sense to us. Helped us believe.
That too is part of the TOS legacy. A design ethic that makes sense. And I am just not seeing any of that in what has been released.
424
Your welcome :-)
425: “the designs don’t seem very well thought out .”
We’re already feeling the disconnect between the sets and the uniforms. The uniforms take us back and do say “TOS” but nothing else does.
First thing it reminded me of actually was Alien. Lot of Apple white surfaces in Alien, at least in the crew areas of the ship, the sickbay, mess hall, yadda.
there’s just no frakkin’ pleasing u folks is there? god, why do i even read what u guys say, it just frustrates the hell outta me. whine, whine, whine, pick, pick, pick, complain, complain, complain and no one has seen the film yet. geesh!
Did I miss something?Did Kirk and Company go from being in Starfleet (a military organization) to being on a cruise ship? White instead of haze gray? There is no indication that this ship has a military function. Of course, all we have to go on are these corridors and the few glimpses of the bridge so far. And yes, it should have, in some way, paid homage to TOS imo HOWEVER, this is Star Trek™ for a new generation, still, would have killed them to make it resemble, in some manner, the original ship. The translation from old to new has been successful in the automotive world, with the Beetle, the Mini-Cooper and other designs; I find it difficult to believe the set designers couldn’t use the same design process. Still, all indications are, there will be a hell of a story line, so, if the story is good enough, I’ll ignore lazy, sterotypical set design.
Live Long and Prosper.
Ok, I admit, I somehow like the new look, even the…uh…LCARS similar interface looks kinda nice, but despite the eyecandy, the film still needs to prove to me, that it’s a Star Trek movie and not another shoot-at-anything-that-looks-different movie. :)
I love it, cant wait to see it