


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Orci &amp; Kurtzman: Star Trek Needed A Little Rock and Roll</title>
	<atom:link href="http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/</link>
	<description>the source for Star Trek news and information</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:44:04 -0400</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Does Star Trek need more rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll? The writers thought so &#124; SpaceChannel.TV &#124; Blog</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/comment-page-5/#comment-1567711</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Star Trek need more rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll? The writers thought so &#124; SpaceChannel.TV &#124; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/#comment-1567711</guid>
		<description>[...] Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, co-writers of J.J. Abrams&#039; upcoming Star Trek reboot movie, told SciFiNow Magazine that they felt the need to inject a little &quot;rock and roll&quot; to energize the beloved franchise, according to a report on TrekMovie.com. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, co-writers of J.J. Abrams&#8217; upcoming Star Trek reboot movie, told SciFiNow Magazine that they felt the need to inject a little &#8220;rock and roll&#8221; to energize the beloved franchise, according to a report on TrekMovie.com. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/comment-page-5/#comment-1552373</link>
		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/#comment-1552373</guid>
		<description>#238---Yes, that was the plan for TUC. But by then, TFF had already went the route of having the same officers aboard the new Enterprise as had been serving aboard her predecessor more than 15 years before.

Captain Kirk
Captain Spock
Commander Scott
Commander McCoy, M.D.
Commander Sulu
Commander Chekov
Commander Uhura

This is by no means the worst element to STV, but this situation is, in itself, pretty strange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#238&#8212;Yes, that was the plan for TUC. But by then, TFF had already went the route of having the same officers aboard the new Enterprise as had been serving aboard her predecessor more than 15 years before.</p>
<p>Captain Kirk<br />
Captain Spock<br />
Commander Scott<br />
Commander McCoy, M.D.<br />
Commander Sulu<br />
Commander Chekov<br />
Commander Uhura</p>
<p>This is by no means the worst element to STV, but this situation is, in itself, pretty strange.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: The Jui$tain</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/comment-page-5/#comment-1552257</link>
		<dc:creator>The Jui$tain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/#comment-1552257</guid>
		<description>@237

Well originally it wasn&#039;t supposed to be that way.

&quot;Original plans for the movie had Kirk married (possibly to Carol Marcus) and all members of the main cast scattered around to different jobs. Uhura was a radio show hostess, Scotty a teacher and Sulu a taxi driver on some backwater alien colony. Budget limitations forced to leave all this out from the movie, and the scene at Starfleet Command was used instead.&quot; 
- http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Undiscovered_Country

I guess that&#039;s what happens when you don&#039;t have a big budget......thank God paramount gave JJ a good size budget.....

*J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@237</p>
<p>Well originally it wasn&#8217;t supposed to be that way.</p>
<p>&#8220;Original plans for the movie had Kirk married (possibly to Carol Marcus) and all members of the main cast scattered around to different jobs. Uhura was a radio show hostess, Scotty a teacher and Sulu a taxi driver on some backwater alien colony. Budget limitations forced to leave all this out from the movie, and the scene at Starfleet Command was used instead.&#8221;<br />
- <a href="http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Undiscovered_Country" rel="nofollow">http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Undiscovered_Country</a></p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s what happens when you don&#8217;t have a big budget&#8230;&#8230;thank God paramount gave JJ a good size budget&#8230;..</p>
<p>*J</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/comment-page-5/#comment-1548327</link>
		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/#comment-1548327</guid>
		<description>#213---&quot;I don’t see them actually billeted to the ship except in TMP and V. &quot;

Nor do I. STV: The Great Trek Turd Of &#039;89 was the film to which I was specifically referring.

And according to Memory Alpha, TUC takes place 5 years after TFF. Are we then to assume that the Enterprise-A underwent another 5 year mission with so many high ranking officers misplaced aboard her?

Two Captains (assuming that Scotty&#039;s &quot;Captain of Engineering&quot; title was never officially affirmed and probably strictly tied to service aboard USS Excelsior), and five Commanders...That&#039;s beyond stretching the boundaries of believability to me.

At the very least---it depicts a gross misallocation of valuable personnel resources on the part of Starfleet Command. Whoever would approve such a thing was clearly doing a disservice to the rest of Starfleet, by not allowing the Captains of those ships to benefit from the service of those experienced officers. Then there is also the fact that these officers had all conspired together to totally usurp the authority of the Admiralty by stealing the Enterprise (despite the reason) and sabotaging the Excelsior. Despite their subsequent heroics, there is absolutely no way these officers could be allowed by ANY chain of command to remain together. At the very least, they should have been scattered throughout the fleet.

It would have made far more sense to me if Captain Kirk had, as promised, been given command of a starship and assigned new officers. I could see &quot;Bones&quot; (being a Chief Medical Officer) remaining aboard with Kirk, but there probably should have been a great many young faces assigned to the various departments of the Enterprise-A. That, in my opinion, would have been the only way to really justify continuing the feature film series with any degree of believability.

But that&#039;s just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#213&#8212;&#8221;I don’t see them actually billeted to the ship except in TMP and V. &#8221;</p>
<p>Nor do I. STV: The Great Trek Turd Of &#8216;89 was the film to which I was specifically referring.</p>
<p>And according to Memory Alpha, TUC takes place 5 years after TFF. Are we then to assume that the Enterprise-A underwent another 5 year mission with so many high ranking officers misplaced aboard her?</p>
<p>Two Captains (assuming that Scotty&#8217;s &#8220;Captain of Engineering&#8221; title was never officially affirmed and probably strictly tied to service aboard USS Excelsior), and five Commanders&#8230;That&#8217;s beyond stretching the boundaries of believability to me.</p>
<p>At the very least&#8212;it depicts a gross misallocation of valuable personnel resources on the part of Starfleet Command. Whoever would approve such a thing was clearly doing a disservice to the rest of Starfleet, by not allowing the Captains of those ships to benefit from the service of those experienced officers. Then there is also the fact that these officers had all conspired together to totally usurp the authority of the Admiralty by stealing the Enterprise (despite the reason) and sabotaging the Excelsior. Despite their subsequent heroics, there is absolutely no way these officers could be allowed by ANY chain of command to remain together. At the very least, they should have been scattered throughout the fleet.</p>
<p>It would have made far more sense to me if Captain Kirk had, as promised, been given command of a starship and assigned new officers. I could see &#8220;Bones&#8221; (being a Chief Medical Officer) remaining aboard with Kirk, but there probably should have been a great many young faces assigned to the various departments of the Enterprise-A. That, in my opinion, would have been the only way to really justify continuing the feature film series with any degree of believability.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/comment-page-5/#comment-1548291</link>
		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/#comment-1548291</guid>
		<description>#229---&quot;I think the x-files is infinitely better than ‘lost’.&quot;

Even when The X-Flies was on top of its game (seasons 1-4, before totally drowning in its own mythology), I don&#039;t think it ever approached the first season of Lost (in all fairness, I don&#039;t think that Lost has since matched that standard either).

And I agree with Thorsten (even though I was apparently a bigger fan of the show than him). The X-Files should have wrapped things up around season 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#229&#8212;&#8221;I think the x-files is infinitely better than ‘lost’.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even when The X-Flies was on top of its game (seasons 1-4, before totally drowning in its own mythology), I don&#8217;t think it ever approached the first season of Lost (in all fairness, I don&#8217;t think that Lost has since matched that standard either).</p>
<p>And I agree with Thorsten (even though I was apparently a bigger fan of the show than him). The X-Files should have wrapped things up around season 5.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/comment-page-5/#comment-1548272</link>
		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/#comment-1548272</guid>
		<description>#214---&quot;All TV shows and movies are defined by the story, screenplay, directing, acting, the soundtrack, and the visuals (set design, wardrobe design, effects). All those elements ADD up to generate the “spirit”. &quot;

I can&#039;t say I disagree with the general principle of that statement. Where you and I do seem to disagree is to what degree each of those elements counts toward adding up to that &quot;spirit&quot;.

I do think that &quot;visuals&quot; are indeed important---just not that adhering to the 1960&#039;s take on what the 23rd Century might look like is the way to go---nor do I believe that &quot;visuals&quot; are anywhere near as important as story, acting, directing, and writing. I also believe that the creative team&#039;s choice of Mr. Giacchino could not have been better, as he is an artist whose name and reputation are on the rise. 

As you mentioned, the approach to the uniforms is quite the nostalgic nod. I also think that the phasers, tricorder, and communicator are true to the &quot;spirit&quot; of the original design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#214&#8212;&#8221;All TV shows and movies are defined by the story, screenplay, directing, acting, the soundtrack, and the visuals (set design, wardrobe design, effects). All those elements ADD up to generate the “spirit”. &#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I disagree with the general principle of that statement. Where you and I do seem to disagree is to what degree each of those elements counts toward adding up to that &#8220;spirit&#8221;.</p>
<p>I do think that &#8220;visuals&#8221; are indeed important&#8212;just not that adhering to the 1960&#8217;s take on what the 23rd Century might look like is the way to go&#8212;nor do I believe that &#8220;visuals&#8221; are anywhere near as important as story, acting, directing, and writing. I also believe that the creative team&#8217;s choice of Mr. Giacchino could not have been better, as he is an artist whose name and reputation are on the rise. </p>
<p>As you mentioned, the approach to the uniforms is quite the nostalgic nod. I also think that the phasers, tricorder, and communicator are true to the &#8220;spirit&#8221; of the original design.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Odkin</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/comment-page-5/#comment-1548228</link>
		<dc:creator>Odkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/#comment-1548228</guid>
		<description>Every time they speak, they ALMOST get it right.

Yes, there were &quot;submarine battle&quot; episode of Trek.  But they weren&#039;t completely shipbound.  

The right Star Trek/Star Wars analogy would be that Star Wars is about a period of war, focusing on WW1 style aerial dogfights.  It&#039;s the kind of story that&#039;s meant to end at some point when the war is won.

Trek is about not just the Navy, but the entire sea-faring tradition of Magellan and Columbus and Nelson and Hornblower.  Sometimes there are sea battles, sometimes they set aground on the shore of an uncharted desert isle, sometimes the ship is sinking, sometimes tey are just driving around exploring, etc.  Trek is a concept that&#039;s meant to be sustainable, in the TV show tradition.

But trying to force a &quot;Top Gun&quot; vibe onto the &quot;Bounty&quot; is seriously misguided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time they speak, they ALMOST get it right.</p>
<p>Yes, there were &#8220;submarine battle&#8221; episode of Trek.  But they weren&#8217;t completely shipbound.  </p>
<p>The right Star Trek/Star Wars analogy would be that Star Wars is about a period of war, focusing on WW1 style aerial dogfights.  It&#8217;s the kind of story that&#8217;s meant to end at some point when the war is won.</p>
<p>Trek is about not just the Navy, but the entire sea-faring tradition of Magellan and Columbus and Nelson and Hornblower.  Sometimes there are sea battles, sometimes they set aground on the shore of an uncharted desert isle, sometimes the ship is sinking, sometimes tey are just driving around exploring, etc.  Trek is a concept that&#8217;s meant to be sustainable, in the TV show tradition.</p>
<p>But trying to force a &#8220;Top Gun&#8221; vibe onto the &#8220;Bounty&#8221; is seriously misguided.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: SirBroiler</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/comment-page-5/#comment-1548191</link>
		<dc:creator>SirBroiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/#comment-1548191</guid>
		<description>First - I think you&#039;ll all stop bashing Transformers once G.I. Joe hits the screen. That will show you how bad a movie can really be.

Second - Was it the writing of Transformers that was so bad, or the directing?  Let&#039;s give Bay his due credit - I don&#039;t think O&amp;K scripted out the action sequences.  

Third - If you can&#039;t let go of Star Trek&#039;s past - then so be it.  I&#039;ll be at the theater, along with  many, many others who aren&#039;t afraid of a little change.

Can&#039;t wait until May.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First &#8211; I think you&#8217;ll all stop bashing Transformers once G.I. Joe hits the screen. That will show you how bad a movie can really be.</p>
<p>Second &#8211; Was it the writing of Transformers that was so bad, or the directing?  Let&#8217;s give Bay his due credit &#8211; I don&#8217;t think O&amp;K scripted out the action sequences.  </p>
<p>Third &#8211; If you can&#8217;t let go of Star Trek&#8217;s past &#8211; then so be it.  I&#8217;ll be at the theater, along with  many, many others who aren&#8217;t afraid of a little change.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait until May.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Spock</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/comment-page-5/#comment-1547748</link>
		<dc:creator>Spock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/#comment-1547748</guid>
		<description>#197,

well I DO expect gogo boots.  those were sexy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#197,</p>
<p>well I DO expect gogo boots.  those were sexy</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: thorsten</title>
		<link>http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/comment-page-5/#comment-1547276</link>
		<dc:creator>thorsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/#comment-1547276</guid>
		<description>@229…

Slitheen is correct. LOST is the best since The Prisoner and Twin Peaks.
The X-Files were just a bad joke that should have ended after 5 seasons with a conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@229…</p>
<p>Slitheen is correct. LOST is the best since The Prisoner and Twin Peaks.<br />
The X-Files were just a bad joke that should have ended after 5 seasons with a conclusion.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
