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	<title>Comments on: ST09 Tidbits (T-72 days): Pine Talking, Kelvin Confirmed, Trailer Animated, Nacelles Scrutinized + more</title>
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		<title>By: Andy Warhol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Warhol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nacelles Monthly&quot; looks and feels exactly like any of a thousand covers of Popular Mechanics, which gives it an &quot;Andy Warhol soup can&quot; kind of brilliance.

That and the nerdy nacelle-speak made me laugh the Andorian Ale right out my nose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nacelles Monthly&#8221; looks and feels exactly like any of a thousand covers of Popular Mechanics, which gives it an &#8220;Andy Warhol soup can&#8221; kind of brilliance.</p>
<p>That and the nerdy nacelle-speak made me laugh the Andorian Ale right out my nose.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Valin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Valin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like others have mentioned, I was shocked to hear that Karl Urban had gotten the job as Bones, but from what I&#039;ve seen so far, he&#039;s my favorite of the new cast.

#77 - I&#039;m glad you mentioned the lack of apostrophe, because I didn&#039;t want to be &quot;that guy&quot; even though it was bugging the you-know-what out of me. LOL  (As a teacher, missing/extra apostrophes is a big pet peeve of mine. Sorry...just can&#039;t help it. I know everyone makes mistakes, but it&#039;s a shame when something that nice is marred by a typo!)

Having said that, the cover is a work of beauty. Great job, Thorsten and those who helped him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others have mentioned, I was shocked to hear that Karl Urban had gotten the job as Bones, but from what I&#8217;ve seen so far, he&#8217;s my favorite of the new cast.</p>
<p>#77 &#8211; I&#8217;m glad you mentioned the lack of apostrophe, because I didn&#8217;t want to be &#8220;that guy&#8221; even though it was bugging the you-know-what out of me. LOL  (As a teacher, missing/extra apostrophes is a big pet peeve of mine. Sorry&#8230;just can&#8217;t help it. I know everyone makes mistakes, but it&#8217;s a shame when something that nice is marred by a typo!)</p>
<p>Having said that, the cover is a work of beauty. Great job, Thorsten and those who helped him!</p>
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		<title>By: MacKenzie Calhoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacKenzie Calhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Closettrekker......not sure why the obvious escapes you, but maybe the title of this article (one of many using the same repeated quote from Abrams) will give you a clue. 

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a147927/abrams-new-star-trek-not-for-trekkies.html

The rest of your rant is BS. Lucas never told the press his prequels &quot;weren&#039;t for old Star Wars fans&quot; just to promote them to a new audience. He was wise enough to know that his core fanbase was essential to to bringing in &#039;new&quot; fans. 

Where does J.J. expect most of these &quot;new&quot; fans to come from? I can tell him! The same place a new generation of Star Wars fans came from! Those fans that have been around 30-40 years, will be bringing their kids and grandkids to see it. That&#039;s how my kids were introduced to Star Wars, and I was planning to do the same with the this new trek. Now that he&#039;s gone out of his way to point out it&#039;s not for &quot;trekkies&quot;, I guess I&#039;ll skip it, like old Battlestar fans skipped Ron Moore&#039;s new version!

BTW: I love BSG, but it&#039;s hasn&#039;t exactly been a ratings blockbuster. The core fanbase stayed away in droves, as many classic BSG fan sites will attest! It&#039;s has averaged lower ratings than &quot;Enterprise&quot;! Enterprise was a canceled by UPN and considered a failure by Paramount&#039;s standards. 

For Abrahm&#039;s movie to work, it has to bring in new fans AND old Trekkers too! Given his repeated &quot;not for trekkers&quot; comments, I&#039;m not feeling very welcome, and I doubt I&#039;m the only one. As I said before, J.J. needs to get his head out of his ass! This movie better be for &quot;trekkers&quot;, old and new!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Closettrekker&#8230;&#8230;not sure why the obvious escapes you, but maybe the title of this article (one of many using the same repeated quote from Abrams) will give you a clue. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a147927/abrams-new-star-trek-not-for-trekkies.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a147927/abrams-new-star-trek-not-for-trekkies.html</a></p>
<p>The rest of your rant is BS. Lucas never told the press his prequels &#8220;weren&#8217;t for old Star Wars fans&#8221; just to promote them to a new audience. He was wise enough to know that his core fanbase was essential to to bringing in &#8216;new&#8221; fans. </p>
<p>Where does J.J. expect most of these &#8220;new&#8221; fans to come from? I can tell him! The same place a new generation of Star Wars fans came from! Those fans that have been around 30-40 years, will be bringing their kids and grandkids to see it. That&#8217;s how my kids were introduced to Star Wars, and I was planning to do the same with the this new trek. Now that he&#8217;s gone out of his way to point out it&#8217;s not for &#8220;trekkies&#8221;, I guess I&#8217;ll skip it, like old Battlestar fans skipped Ron Moore&#8217;s new version!</p>
<p>BTW: I love BSG, but it&#8217;s hasn&#8217;t exactly been a ratings blockbuster. The core fanbase stayed away in droves, as many classic BSG fan sites will attest! It&#8217;s has averaged lower ratings than &#8220;Enterprise&#8221;! Enterprise was a canceled by UPN and considered a failure by Paramount&#8217;s standards. </p>
<p>For Abrahm&#8217;s movie to work, it has to bring in new fans AND old Trekkers too! Given his repeated &#8220;not for trekkers&#8221; comments, I&#8217;m not feeling very welcome, and I doubt I&#8217;m the only one. As I said before, J.J. needs to get his head out of his ass! This movie better be for &#8220;trekkers&#8221;, old and new!</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#144---&quot;Closettrekker…….kid I was laughing at Shatner’s “get a life” sketch before most of the posters here were born.&quot;

I don&#039;t know how many were born after the SNL sketch. Many of us have been fans for 30-40 years.

&quot;The “Nacelles Monthly”, was made funny, through the terrific magazine parody here, but the original comment was a swipe (I.M.H.O.) at the “old” fans.&quot;

The original comment was a joke that no one but a Star Trek fan (or someone like Abrams who has become involved with it) would have even understood. Your interpretation of it as a &quot;swipe&quot; is an opinion.

&quot;Abram’s has been droning on for months about how his movie isn’t for old fans.&quot;

Abrams has been diligent in the effort to court non-traditional fans. There is no question of that. At the same time, fellow fan (and Star Trek XI co-writer/producer) Bob Orci has told us that it is for both fans and non-fans alike.

It&#039;s time to use a bit of logic here. 3 of the 5 members of the &quot;Supreme Court&quot; are self-professed Star Trek fans.

Orci and Kurtzman wrote the script and then showed it to Abrams. Do you really think they showed him a script that was meant to exclude established fans? 

Why then include (and depend upon) Nimoy&#039;s involvement?

I&#039;m sorry, but I find that interpretation to be lacking in common sense or reason. It is far more reasonable to conclude that Abrams is wording his approach to suit the target audience in question---people who have either developed pre-conceived notions about Star Trek and never given it a chance, or people like me---who haven&#039;t paid to see a ST movie in a theater since 1991.

The tone was, after all, quite different back when they participated in the live chat here at this site. The tact was then &quot;we want to make a film that both fans and non fans can enjoy&quot;. Orci has maintained that since---right here on this very site.

My own opinion is that Star Trek fans have become accustomed to having Star Trek movies made for them alone, and thus do not (in some cases) know how to handle the studio marketing out of both sides of the mouth. 

The truth is, this is how marketing is done everyday. I would not run the same ad in Men&#039;s Health and Sprts Illustrated that I ran in Good Housekeeping or Cosmopolitan. Heck, my Houston advertising is very different from the ads we run in Austin! Why? Because I&#039;m talking to a different group of people!

It&#039;s not that hard to understand....really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#144&#8212;&#8221;Closettrekker…….kid I was laughing at Shatner’s “get a life” sketch before most of the posters here were born.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how many were born after the SNL sketch. Many of us have been fans for 30-40 years.</p>
<p>&#8220;The “Nacelles Monthly”, was made funny, through the terrific magazine parody here, but the original comment was a swipe (I.M.H.O.) at the “old” fans.&#8221;</p>
<p>The original comment was a joke that no one but a Star Trek fan (or someone like Abrams who has become involved with it) would have even understood. Your interpretation of it as a &#8220;swipe&#8221; is an opinion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Abram’s has been droning on for months about how his movie isn’t for old fans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Abrams has been diligent in the effort to court non-traditional fans. There is no question of that. At the same time, fellow fan (and Star Trek XI co-writer/producer) Bob Orci has told us that it is for both fans and non-fans alike.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to use a bit of logic here. 3 of the 5 members of the &#8220;Supreme Court&#8221; are self-professed Star Trek fans.</p>
<p>Orci and Kurtzman wrote the script and then showed it to Abrams. Do you really think they showed him a script that was meant to exclude established fans? </p>
<p>Why then include (and depend upon) Nimoy&#8217;s involvement?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I find that interpretation to be lacking in common sense or reason. It is far more reasonable to conclude that Abrams is wording his approach to suit the target audience in question&#8212;people who have either developed pre-conceived notions about Star Trek and never given it a chance, or people like me&#8212;who haven&#8217;t paid to see a ST movie in a theater since 1991.</p>
<p>The tone was, after all, quite different back when they participated in the live chat here at this site. The tact was then &#8220;we want to make a film that both fans and non fans can enjoy&#8221;. Orci has maintained that since&#8212;right here on this very site.</p>
<p>My own opinion is that Star Trek fans have become accustomed to having Star Trek movies made for them alone, and thus do not (in some cases) know how to handle the studio marketing out of both sides of the mouth. </p>
<p>The truth is, this is how marketing is done everyday. I would not run the same ad in Men&#8217;s Health and Sprts Illustrated that I ran in Good Housekeeping or Cosmopolitan. Heck, my Houston advertising is very different from the ads we run in Austin! Why? Because I&#8217;m talking to a different group of people!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that hard to understand&#8230;.really.</p>
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		<title>By: MacKenzie Calhoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacKenzie Calhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Closettrekker.......kid I was laughing at Shatner&#039;s &quot;get a life&quot; sketch before most of the posters here were born. 

Sorry we don&#039;t see it the same way. The &quot;Nacelles Monthly&quot;, was made funny, through the terrific magazine parody here, but the original comment was a swipe (I.M.H.O.) at the &quot;old&quot; fans. 

Abram&#039;s has been droning on for months about how his movie isn&#039;t for old fans. That is not an opinion. It&#039;s a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Closettrekker&#8230;&#8230;.kid I was laughing at Shatner&#8217;s &#8220;get a life&#8221; sketch before most of the posters here were born. </p>
<p>Sorry we don&#8217;t see it the same way. The &#8220;Nacelles Monthly&#8221;, was made funny, through the terrific magazine parody here, but the original comment was a swipe (I.M.H.O.) at the &#8220;old&#8221; fans. </p>
<p>Abram&#8217;s has been droning on for months about how his movie isn&#8217;t for old fans. That is not an opinion. It&#8217;s a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian Ciobanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marian Ciobanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- I want to see picture with Jim Kirk on the bridge of the USS. KELVIN..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- I want to see picture with Jim Kirk on the bridge of the USS. KELVIN..</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#129---&quot;If he can’t stand some critical opinions from the fans, he’s in the wrong business!&quot;

What leads you to believe that he cannot stand some critical opinions from the fans?


&quot;He may not have alienated you, but his constant swipes at fans, saying this new movie isn’t for old fans, it’s for the new fans, is starting to alienate some. The “Nacelle’s Monthly” geek comment is just the latest attack on a loyal fanbase, and it’s getting kinda pathetic!&quot;

I have yet to see a &quot;swipe&quot; at the fans. The &quot;Nacelles Monthly&quot; comment was hilarious! It was a joke, and a funny one at that! The only thing &quot;pathetic&quot; in all of this (IMO) is that some of the fans are unable to laugh at themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#129&#8212;&#8221;If he can’t stand some critical opinions from the fans, he’s in the wrong business!&#8221;</p>
<p>What leads you to believe that he cannot stand some critical opinions from the fans?</p>
<p>&#8220;He may not have alienated you, but his constant swipes at fans, saying this new movie isn’t for old fans, it’s for the new fans, is starting to alienate some. The “Nacelle’s Monthly” geek comment is just the latest attack on a loyal fanbase, and it’s getting kinda pathetic!&#8221;</p>
<p>I have yet to see a &#8220;swipe&#8221; at the fans. The &#8220;Nacelles Monthly&#8221; comment was hilarious! It was a joke, and a funny one at that! The only thing &#8220;pathetic&#8221; in all of this (IMO) is that some of the fans are unable to laugh at themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: earthclanbootstrap</title>
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		<dc:creator>earthclanbootstrap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ Thorsten, it was brilliant effort on everyone&#039;s part, thanks for a great early Wednesday morning guffaw at work! 
I do have to say, though, that my heart will always be with the version that the team&#039;s Quantum Originals published in geosynchronous orbit above San Francisco...  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ Thorsten, it was brilliant effort on everyone&#8217;s part, thanks for a great early Wednesday morning guffaw at work!<br />
I do have to say, though, that my heart will always be with the version that the team&#8217;s Quantum Originals published in geosynchronous orbit above San Francisco&#8230;  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: thorsten</title>
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		<dc:creator>thorsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@94, 98
Great posts, THX… sorry for the mixup, Montreal Paul.
Obviously it is difficult to separate the jokes from
the serious complainers like [89] M&#039;k&#039;n&#039;zy of Calhoun in the middle…
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Thanks to everyone who liked the Nacelles cover,
it was Anthonys idea, Tobias supplied a cool shot,
and I assembled the parts in Iowa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@94, 98<br />
Great posts, THX… sorry for the mixup, Montreal Paul.<br />
Obviously it is difficult to separate the jokes from<br />
the serious complainers like [89] M&#8217;k'n&#8217;zy of Calhoun in the middle…<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Thanks to everyone who liked the Nacelles cover,<br />
it was Anthonys idea, Tobias supplied a cool shot,<br />
and I assembled the parts in Iowa.</p>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god, Nacelles Monthly is spectacular.  I agree with JJ, I&#039;d subscribe in a millisecond. 

And that animation of the trailer is perfection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god, Nacelles Monthly is spectacular.  I agree with JJ, I&#8217;d subscribe in a millisecond. </p>
<p>And that animation of the trailer is perfection.</p>
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