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		<title>By: Josh2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Anyone know who made the underwear that Capt. Kirk wears in the scene with Gaila?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Anyone know who made the underwear that Capt. Kirk wears in the scene with Gaila?</p>
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		<title>By: Dualla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dualla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have a shoe query, Uhura&#039;s boots had a hiking shoe rugged soles and a patterned leather hem at the top, very unique.  Did Michael Kaplan mention where the shoes and boots for the movie came from?  I know that the Vulcan&#039;s shoes came from Glerups:
www.glerups.dk 
And Uhura&#039;s lucite &quot;Pod&quot; earrings are by Alexis Bittar, so it&#039;s cool that much of the costumes are stuff we can buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have a shoe query, Uhura&#8217;s boots had a hiking shoe rugged soles and a patterned leather hem at the top, very unique.  Did Michael Kaplan mention where the shoes and boots for the movie came from?  I know that the Vulcan&#8217;s shoes came from Glerups:<br />
<a href="http://www.glerups.dk" rel="nofollow">http://www.glerups.dk</a><br />
And Uhura&#8217;s lucite &#8220;Pod&#8221; earrings are by Alexis Bittar, so it&#8217;s cool that much of the costumes are stuff we can buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mallory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must&#039;ve missed the memo that told us to start calling the Starfleet Deltas &#039;boomerangs&#039;.

Crikey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must&#8217;ve missed the memo that told us to start calling the Starfleet Deltas &#8216;boomerangs&#8217;.</p>
<p>Crikey.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;nuevas noticias de star trek 2009 &#8220; &#171; CHICO STAR TREK</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;nuevas noticias de star trek 2009 &#8220; &#171; CHICO STAR TREK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Club de la Lucha, es el encargado del vestuario de Star Trek. Caplan habla en la revista SciFi (via Trekmovie) acerca de las diferencias estéticas entre los diseños originales y los actuales, y de como tras [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CryoShok</title>
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		<dc:creator>CryoShok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original Theiss uniform did, indeed, have both a black undershirt and the (now iconic) velour department-colored overshirt (or tunic). Anyone who has worn velour knows that it rides like crazy—during filming, actors&#039; midriffs were being exposed constantly. The black undershirt was tucked into the trousers, with only the black collar showing over the top.

However, during Season 1 filming, it was found that the combination of velour tunic over a cotton/wool blend black undershirt (remember, poly-blend shirts were not yet available to the public in the early &#039;60&#039;s; DuPont had invented the fabric for NASA&#039;s Gemini and Mercury programs, but it was still &quot;futuristic&quot;) was very hot and uncomfortable.

For Season 2, and onward, the undershirt was done away with, and a looser, slightly longer cut of the velour tunic was subbed-in (with the black collar-loop stiched in to &quot;simulate&quot; the full undershirt).

Anyone who has worked under stage lighting knows how friggin&#039; HOT those lights are.

Now, as far as the new uniforms are concerned, I think they look good, but I do have a few caveats:

First, why short sleeves for the females, and long sleeves for the males? That doesn&#039;t make sense. Either they all wear long sleeves, or they all wear short sleeves. I know the producers are trying to feature Saldana&#039;s gorgeous physique, but it doesn&#039;t make logical sense.

Second, they&#039;re not &quot;boomerangs,&quot; they&#039;re properly referred to as &quot;deltas.&quot; According to &quot;Mr. Scott&#039;s Guide to the Enterprise,&quot; the iconic Starfleet Delta (instituted fleet-wide sometime after the original 5-year mission, if we don&#039;t include The Animated Series&#039;s second 5-year mission) was, in fact, the Enterprise&#039;s blazon. Prior to that (2260&#039;s-era Starfleet and earlier), each ship had it&#039;s own, unique blazon. Since we don&#039;t know if the delta blazon is restricted to just the Enterprise, or not, in the new film, I&#039;ll hold my judgment. I&#039;m very interested to see the (highly classified) uniforms of the Kelvin&#039;s crew, and see if their blazon is, indeed, unique. I don&#039;t mind the silver color of the delta and rank braiding, though. The department colors are a bit subdued, however.

Third, I like a textured weave, but am not wild about the &quot;boomerang&quot; (nee delta) pattern, for the same reason I stated, above. If this is a universal Starfleet uniform pattern, and the delta blazon is the Enterprise&#039;s unique symbol, why would *all* of Starfleet incorporate a delta-weave into their general uniform? Unless there&#039;s a *reason* for it...

Anyhow, there&#039;s my thoughts on it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original Theiss uniform did, indeed, have both a black undershirt and the (now iconic) velour department-colored overshirt (or tunic). Anyone who has worn velour knows that it rides like crazy—during filming, actors&#8217; midriffs were being exposed constantly. The black undershirt was tucked into the trousers, with only the black collar showing over the top.</p>
<p>However, during Season 1 filming, it was found that the combination of velour tunic over a cotton/wool blend black undershirt (remember, poly-blend shirts were not yet available to the public in the early &#8217;60&#8217;s; DuPont had invented the fabric for NASA&#8217;s Gemini and Mercury programs, but it was still &#8220;futuristic&#8221;) was very hot and uncomfortable.</p>
<p>For Season 2, and onward, the undershirt was done away with, and a looser, slightly longer cut of the velour tunic was subbed-in (with the black collar-loop stiched in to &#8220;simulate&#8221; the full undershirt).</p>
<p>Anyone who has worked under stage lighting knows how friggin&#8217; HOT those lights are.</p>
<p>Now, as far as the new uniforms are concerned, I think they look good, but I do have a few caveats:</p>
<p>First, why short sleeves for the females, and long sleeves for the males? That doesn&#8217;t make sense. Either they all wear long sleeves, or they all wear short sleeves. I know the producers are trying to feature Saldana&#8217;s gorgeous physique, but it doesn&#8217;t make logical sense.</p>
<p>Second, they&#8217;re not &#8220;boomerangs,&#8221; they&#8217;re properly referred to as &#8220;deltas.&#8221; According to &#8220;Mr. Scott&#8217;s Guide to the Enterprise,&#8221; the iconic Starfleet Delta (instituted fleet-wide sometime after the original 5-year mission, if we don&#8217;t include The Animated Series&#8217;s second 5-year mission) was, in fact, the Enterprise&#8217;s blazon. Prior to that (2260&#8217;s-era Starfleet and earlier), each ship had it&#8217;s own, unique blazon. Since we don&#8217;t know if the delta blazon is restricted to just the Enterprise, or not, in the new film, I&#8217;ll hold my judgment. I&#8217;m very interested to see the (highly classified) uniforms of the Kelvin&#8217;s crew, and see if their blazon is, indeed, unique. I don&#8217;t mind the silver color of the delta and rank braiding, though. The department colors are a bit subdued, however.</p>
<p>Third, I like a textured weave, but am not wild about the &#8220;boomerang&#8221; (nee delta) pattern, for the same reason I stated, above. If this is a universal Starfleet uniform pattern, and the delta blazon is the Enterprise&#8217;s unique symbol, why would *all* of Starfleet incorporate a delta-weave into their general uniform? Unless there&#8217;s a *reason* for it&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyhow, there&#8217;s my thoughts on it.</p>
<p>Comments?</p>
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		<title>By: CystDrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>CystDrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>196: No thats cool, its not gonna ruin the movie for me at all either which is probably the ONLY thing Im looking forward to this year, the light in a miserable life right now.
Yea I dunno whats going on with the etched glass either! lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>196: No thats cool, its not gonna ruin the movie for me at all either which is probably the ONLY thing Im looking forward to this year, the light in a miserable life right now.<br />
Yea I dunno whats going on with the etched glass either! lol</p>
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		<title>By: I am Kurok!</title>
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		<dc:creator>I am Kurok!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the female sleveless uniform-where&#039;s the rank insignia????</description>
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		<title>By: 4 8 15 16 23 42</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow-up to 196 -- Come to think of it, when I worked at the library when I was going to university 15 years ago, it struck me that the bar-code scanners looked like the phasers on TNG.... It makes me wonder, could the whole gag with the bar-code scanners on the bridge be some kind of colossal in-joke, based on the fact that Star Trek has had a huge cultural influence? I mean, we&#039;ve all noticed how modern-day flip-phones look like the communicators on TOS.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow-up to 196 &#8212; Come to think of it, when I worked at the library when I was going to university 15 years ago, it struck me that the bar-code scanners looked like the phasers on TNG&#8230;. It makes me wonder, could the whole gag with the bar-code scanners on the bridge be some kind of colossal in-joke, based on the fact that Star Trek has had a huge cultural influence? I mean, we&#8217;ve all noticed how modern-day flip-phones look like the communicators on TOS&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: 4 8 15 16 23 42</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>194 ENGON -- Well, Star Trek is supposed to be Horatio Hornblower in space, so no surprises there....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>194 ENGON &#8212; Well, Star Trek is supposed to be Horatio Hornblower in space, so no surprises there&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: 4 8 15 16 23 42</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Okay, CystDrone, the &#039;malignant&#039; part was supposed to be wry, but in writing it come soff heavy handed....)

I agree the bridge is important, it&#039;s just that few viewers will notice the bar-code scanners AS bar-code scanners, even if they notice the resemblance in passing, at some sub-conscious level. It&#039;s conceivable that some device in the future might resemble that model of bar-code scanner, in the way that, say, a future pistol might resemble one of today&#039;s hair-dryers (I use this example because I&#039;ve heard certain Sci-Fi guns compared to hair-dryers before). It&#039;s not like the bar-code scanners still have a visible logo to identify them.

In fact, the way you&#039;re disseminating that image on the web, you may very well be personally responsible for a loss of suspension of disbelief that any readers here experience!

In regard to TOS, I cite the circuit boards because even as a kid, I experienced a momentary loss of suspension of disbelief when the androids show exposed circuitry that looked like it had been purchased from the Radio Shack right down the street. At least in TNG, they make Data&#039;s positronic parts look more futuristic (sort of - I mean, we can all tell the used a lot of fiber-optic cables and LEDs, but at least they downplay that fact, unlike in TOS where 60s circuitry is shown as perfectly plausible stand-ins for that of the 23rd century). On the other hand, TNG blew it with Geordie&#039;s VISOR, which from day one I identified as a closed banana hair-clip.

In all cases, though, the suspension of disbelief that I myself have experienced has been momentary, and if the story is good enough, it doesn&#039;t matter. I want to see how you might explain away those silly etched glass panels, though.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Okay, CystDrone, the &#8216;malignant&#8217; part was supposed to be wry, but in writing it come soff heavy handed&#8230;.)</p>
<p>I agree the bridge is important, it&#8217;s just that few viewers will notice the bar-code scanners AS bar-code scanners, even if they notice the resemblance in passing, at some sub-conscious level. It&#8217;s conceivable that some device in the future might resemble that model of bar-code scanner, in the way that, say, a future pistol might resemble one of today&#8217;s hair-dryers (I use this example because I&#8217;ve heard certain Sci-Fi guns compared to hair-dryers before). It&#8217;s not like the bar-code scanners still have a visible logo to identify them.</p>
<p>In fact, the way you&#8217;re disseminating that image on the web, you may very well be personally responsible for a loss of suspension of disbelief that any readers here experience!</p>
<p>In regard to TOS, I cite the circuit boards because even as a kid, I experienced a momentary loss of suspension of disbelief when the androids show exposed circuitry that looked like it had been purchased from the Radio Shack right down the street. At least in TNG, they make Data&#8217;s positronic parts look more futuristic (sort of &#8211; I mean, we can all tell the used a lot of fiber-optic cables and LEDs, but at least they downplay that fact, unlike in TOS where 60s circuitry is shown as perfectly plausible stand-ins for that of the 23rd century). On the other hand, TNG blew it with Geordie&#8217;s VISOR, which from day one I identified as a closed banana hair-clip.</p>
<p>In all cases, though, the suspension of disbelief that I myself have experienced has been momentary, and if the story is good enough, it doesn&#8217;t matter. I want to see how you might explain away those silly etched glass panels, though&#8230;..</p>
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