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	<title>Comments on: Exclusive: Countdown Writers Talk Nero, Star Trek Movie, Prequel Comic &amp; more</title>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>99 Closettrekker

I&#039;d assume Nero would make his presence known to Romulus from the outset and set about saving the Empire in return for money and favours. I suspect the Romulans and Romulus will be a regular part of the new universe, even though they are gone in the TNG universe!

Of course something as huge as a supernova wouldn&#039;t just wipe out one planet: it&#039;d potentially render a number of solar systems uninhabitable either through force of explosion or the huge amounts of solar radiation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>99 Closettrekker</p>
<p>I&#8217;d assume Nero would make his presence known to Romulus from the outset and set about saving the Empire in return for money and favours. I suspect the Romulans and Romulus will be a regular part of the new universe, even though they are gone in the TNG universe!</p>
<p>Of course something as huge as a supernova wouldn&#8217;t just wipe out one planet: it&#8217;d potentially render a number of solar systems uninhabitable either through force of explosion or the huge amounts of solar radiation.</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#97---&quot;... I doubt a top-heavy, secretive empire like the Romulans would come back together so easily after having their entire leadership structure killed off.&quot;

Who says it has come together easily? According to the TSO timeline leading up to the movie, it doesn&#039;t seem so. 

&quot;Former elites setting themselves up as warlords would be far more compelling as an existential threat to a new Romulan government...&quot;

Which is pretty much what the TSO timeline has suggested, although minus the &quot;warlords&quot; part (and thank goodness, since that is far more Klingon-like). 

&quot;And if Romulus really does get blown up as part of the backstory to the new movie, quite frankly, that’s f***ing stupid. It’s throwing away myriad storytelling possibilities for no good reason at all.&quot;

How so? Romulus is destroyed post-Nemesis, not in the 23rd Century (where future Trek stories are likely to be told). And we do not even know as yet whether Romulus&#039; fate is sealed, given the time travel aspect of the storyline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#97&#8212;&#8221;&#8230; I doubt a top-heavy, secretive empire like the Romulans would come back together so easily after having their entire leadership structure killed off.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who says it has come together easily? According to the TSO timeline leading up to the movie, it doesn&#8217;t seem so. </p>
<p>&#8220;Former elites setting themselves up as warlords would be far more compelling as an existential threat to a new Romulan government&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is pretty much what the TSO timeline has suggested, although minus the &#8220;warlords&#8221; part (and thank goodness, since that is far more Klingon-like). </p>
<p>&#8220;And if Romulus really does get blown up as part of the backstory to the new movie, quite frankly, that’s f***ing stupid. It’s throwing away myriad storytelling possibilities for no good reason at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>How so? Romulus is destroyed post-Nemesis, not in the 23rd Century (where future Trek stories are likely to be told). And we do not even know as yet whether Romulus&#8217; fate is sealed, given the time travel aspect of the storyline.</p>
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		<title>By: spark-1701</title>
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		<dc:creator>spark-1701</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I love the subplot of Romulus being destroyed.  Trek needs a big shake up and needs to take risks.  Thats a big risk, and Nero&#039;s rage is perfectly justified.  Makes his character very gritty and believable.  

I&#039;ve said it before and I&#039;ll say it again.  The only thing that can potentially tank his movie for me is Pine&#039;s portrayl of Kirk.  If there is too much of a departure from the original character,  I&#039;m just going to feel alienated.  I know the ptb don&#039;t care about us crusty old fans any more, but if half the current fan base feels the same, it can only hurt this movie and the franchise in the long run.

Just my 2 cents
Spark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I love the subplot of Romulus being destroyed.  Trek needs a big shake up and needs to take risks.  Thats a big risk, and Nero&#8217;s rage is perfectly justified.  Makes his character very gritty and believable.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again.  The only thing that can potentially tank his movie for me is Pine&#8217;s portrayl of Kirk.  If there is too much of a departure from the original character,  I&#8217;m just going to feel alienated.  I know the ptb don&#8217;t care about us crusty old fans any more, but if half the current fan base feels the same, it can only hurt this movie and the franchise in the long run.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents<br />
Spark</p>
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		<title>By: istewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>istewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, I&#039;m not too enchanted with these guys&#039; vision of the post-Nemesis storyline. There&#039;s only two issues to go on so far, but I doubt a top-heavy, secretive empire like the Romulans would come back together so easily after having their entire leadership structure killed off. Former elites setting themselves up as warlords would be far more compelling as an existential threat to a new Romulan government than the generic sci-fi plot device of a supernova (and besides, it&#039;s already been done better with Praxis in STVI). Likewise, the Remans are portrayed as generic space pirates, no compelling exploration of them so far. And if Romulus really does get blown up as part of the backstory to the new movie, quite frankly, that&#039;s f***ing stupid. It&#039;s throwing away myriad storytelling possibilities for no good reason at all.

I don&#039;t think I could stand a story about Data moping over B-4, either, since he was the guy who dumped his memories into B-4&#039;s head to start with, and he very explicitly says that he &quot;feels nothing&quot; when Geordi asks him about it. That&#039;s mostly due to the incredibly tortured logic of Nemesis&#039; plot, but I&#039;m still not really interested in a story that tries to salvage that. Best to just ignore it and move on, letting it stand as an example of just how bad Star Trek can get.

Bottom-line, I think I&#039;ll just drop this comic and see how the character of Nero stands up on his own when the film comes out. Hopefully his motivations will be less confused than, say, Shinzon&#039;s. TNG only really worked as a TV series. I didn&#039;t buy into Pocket&#039;s &quot;TNG relaunch,&quot; and I&#039;m not buying into this one, either. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m not too enchanted with these guys&#8217; vision of the post-Nemesis storyline. There&#8217;s only two issues to go on so far, but I doubt a top-heavy, secretive empire like the Romulans would come back together so easily after having their entire leadership structure killed off. Former elites setting themselves up as warlords would be far more compelling as an existential threat to a new Romulan government than the generic sci-fi plot device of a supernova (and besides, it&#8217;s already been done better with Praxis in STVI). Likewise, the Remans are portrayed as generic space pirates, no compelling exploration of them so far. And if Romulus really does get blown up as part of the backstory to the new movie, quite frankly, that&#8217;s f***ing stupid. It&#8217;s throwing away myriad storytelling possibilities for no good reason at all.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I could stand a story about Data moping over B-4, either, since he was the guy who dumped his memories into B-4&#8217;s head to start with, and he very explicitly says that he &#8220;feels nothing&#8221; when Geordi asks him about it. That&#8217;s mostly due to the incredibly tortured logic of Nemesis&#8217; plot, but I&#8217;m still not really interested in a story that tries to salvage that. Best to just ignore it and move on, letting it stand as an example of just how bad Star Trek can get.</p>
<p>Bottom-line, I think I&#8217;ll just drop this comic and see how the character of Nero stands up on his own when the film comes out. Hopefully his motivations will be less confused than, say, Shinzon&#8217;s. TNG only really worked as a TV series. I didn&#8217;t buy into Pocket&#8217;s &#8220;TNG relaunch,&#8221; and I&#8217;m not buying into this one, either. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: ThePhaige</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThePhaige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh how I would love to be seeing this forum from Bob O&#039;s perspective....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh how I would love to be seeing this forum from Bob O&#8217;s perspective&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#88

I will help you pitch the idea of &quot;Spock Of All Trades.&quot; The ultimate crossover! Especially if we can sneak Ash in there somehow.... And forget the comic book genre, this would be an awesome SciFi Saturday feature. The most dangerous night on television just got dangerouser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#88</p>
<p>I will help you pitch the idea of &#8220;Spock Of All Trades.&#8221; The ultimate crossover! Especially if we can sneak Ash in there somehow&#8230;. And forget the comic book genre, this would be an awesome SciFi Saturday feature. The most dangerous night on television just got dangerouser.</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#91--&quot;What technology or insight does Spock possess, that no one else has, since at least the Federation would have warned to Romulans about the impending disaster ?&quot;

I think we are supposed to believe that Spock is simply more intelligent than everyone else. I guess I already did.

&quot;...the Vulcans from Ent with all their unlogical(?) behaviour...&quot;

I don&#039;t think they felt as though their behavior towards Earth or Andoria (which they perceived as a threat) was illogical, and their own belief is all that matters. And let&#039;s remember that they are being led by a man who is quite clearly a Romulan agent. The clandestine agenda of the RSE at this point was to create and maintain instability in the region of space where they see space-faring Worlds like Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, and Tellar with the potential to upset the balance with a possible alliance (Of course, the irony is that alliance is caused more by the growing Romulan threat than anything else).

Even among Vulcans, logical behavior is somewhat relative, and not always consistent. Vulcans have always been individuals. They are also commonly driven by their own motives--their &quot;logic&quot; is often tailored to suit those motives, whether you are talking about the members of the Vulcan High Command, T&#039;Pring, or Valeris.



&quot;...the Vulcans are supposed to have returned to Surak’s ways and the High Command is supposed to be abolished.&quot;

Yep. &quot;The High Command&quot; was disbanded in Season 4 of ENT. I think that is just sloppy dialogue wording on the part of the comic writers.

However, &quot;returned to Surak&#039;s ways&quot; might not be the best way to put that. The Vulcans clearly believed that they were doing so already. It was the discovery of the artifact by T&#039;Pau, T&#039;Pol, and Jonathan Archer which convinced them that Surak&#039;s teachings were not being truly adhered to. Like so many other philosophies and religious teachings everywhere, Surak&#039;s writings were being misinterpreted and perverted.

It could have just as easily been the works of Karl Marx, The Koran, or the Christian Bible. All have been subject to dangerous interpretation and used to justify tyrannical and even violent action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#91&#8211;&#8221;What technology or insight does Spock possess, that no one else has, since at least the Federation would have warned to Romulans about the impending disaster ?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think we are supposed to believe that Spock is simply more intelligent than everyone else. I guess I already did.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the Vulcans from Ent with all their unlogical(?) behaviour&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they felt as though their behavior towards Earth or Andoria (which they perceived as a threat) was illogical, and their own belief is all that matters. And let&#8217;s remember that they are being led by a man who is quite clearly a Romulan agent. The clandestine agenda of the RSE at this point was to create and maintain instability in the region of space where they see space-faring Worlds like Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, and Tellar with the potential to upset the balance with a possible alliance (Of course, the irony is that alliance is caused more by the growing Romulan threat than anything else).</p>
<p>Even among Vulcans, logical behavior is somewhat relative, and not always consistent. Vulcans have always been individuals. They are also commonly driven by their own motives&#8211;their &#8220;logic&#8221; is often tailored to suit those motives, whether you are talking about the members of the Vulcan High Command, T&#8217;Pring, or Valeris.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the Vulcans are supposed to have returned to Surak’s ways and the High Command is supposed to be abolished.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep. &#8220;The High Command&#8221; was disbanded in Season 4 of ENT. I think that is just sloppy dialogue wording on the part of the comic writers.</p>
<p>However, &#8220;returned to Surak&#8217;s ways&#8221; might not be the best way to put that. The Vulcans clearly believed that they were doing so already. It was the discovery of the artifact by T&#8217;Pau, T&#8217;Pol, and Jonathan Archer which convinced them that Surak&#8217;s teachings were not being truly adhered to. Like so many other philosophies and religious teachings everywhere, Surak&#8217;s writings were being misinterpreted and perverted.</p>
<p>It could have just as easily been the works of Karl Marx, The Koran, or the Christian Bible. All have been subject to dangerous interpretation and used to justify tyrannical and even violent action.</p>
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		<title>By: Closettrekker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closettrekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#87---&quot;That “aerosol shield around the EPS conduits” was the last of the Lemon Pledge. At least they smell nice.&quot;

lol.

&quot;Be very afraid of &#039;trans-warp beaming.&#039; &quot;

Yep. There&#039;s potential there, but my hope is that Abrams&#039; wish for this to appeal to non-traditional fans will relegate the explanation for that to something more like &quot;transparent aluminum&quot; or &quot;the main energizer&#039;s out&quot;.

But yeah---gone are the days when Kirk would simply talk a machine into self-destructing and save the day. Everything has to be, &quot; too much glucose on the excrement manifolds is interfering with our sensor grid&quot;, or something like that...Maybe Geordi can invert the relativity of the asanine converter and get us out of here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#87&#8212;&#8221;That “aerosol shield around the EPS conduits” was the last of the Lemon Pledge. At least they smell nice.&#8221;</p>
<p>lol.</p>
<p>&#8220;Be very afraid of &#8216;trans-warp beaming.&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>Yep. There&#8217;s potential there, but my hope is that Abrams&#8217; wish for this to appeal to non-traditional fans will relegate the explanation for that to something more like &#8220;transparent aluminum&#8221; or &#8220;the main energizer&#8217;s out&#8221;.</p>
<p>But yeah&#8212;gone are the days when Kirk would simply talk a machine into self-destructing and save the day. Everything has to be, &#8221; too much glucose on the excrement manifolds is interfering with our sensor grid&#8221;, or something like that&#8230;Maybe Geordi can invert the relativity of the asanine converter and get us out of here.</p>
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		<title>By: Admiral_BlackCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Admiral_BlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s WHY Spock travels back in time. 
My theory is he successfully halts the Hobus Supernova on a &quot;one-way-mission&quot; at the end of Countdown 4 and the resulting &quot;exotic particles&quot; send him and Nero (in close proximity or attacking Elder Spock) back to pre-TOS/the beginning of the movie.
In STXI Nimoy Spock has a second change to stop the Hobus Star and Quinto Spock won&#039;t have to make that sacrifice in his future. (That is if Quinto Spock is even on the same Best Destiny path as Nimoy Spock was at this point.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s WHY Spock travels back in time.<br />
My theory is he successfully halts the Hobus Supernova on a &#8220;one-way-mission&#8221; at the end of Countdown 4 and the resulting &#8220;exotic particles&#8221; send him and Nero (in close proximity or attacking Elder Spock) back to pre-TOS/the beginning of the movie.<br />
In STXI Nimoy Spock has a second change to stop the Hobus Star and Quinto Spock won&#8217;t have to make that sacrifice in his future. (That is if Quinto Spock is even on the same Best Destiny path as Nimoy Spock was at this point.)</p>
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		<title>By: Unbel1ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unbel1ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am fine with most of the stuff in the comics, yet there are still some things, which hopefully get explained. If anyone can tell me, wether they are, that would be nice. 

First:
What technology or insight does Spock possess, that no one else has, since at least the Federation would have warned to Romulans about the impending disaster ?

Second: 
Why are the Vulcans, the Vulcans from Ent with all their unlogical behaviour and the High Command, when the Vulcans are supposed to have returned to Surak&#039;s ways and the High Command is supposed to be abolished ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am fine with most of the stuff in the comics, yet there are still some things, which hopefully get explained. If anyone can tell me, wether they are, that would be nice. </p>
<p>First:<br />
What technology or insight does Spock possess, that no one else has, since at least the Federation would have warned to Romulans about the impending disaster ?</p>
<p>Second:<br />
Why are the Vulcans, the Vulcans from Ent with all their unlogical behaviour and the High Command, when the Vulcans are supposed to have returned to Surak&#8217;s ways and the High Command is supposed to be abolished ?</p>
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