ST09 Tidbits (T-63 days): 2 Movie Images, Takei, Morrison & Quinto Quotes, TNG Rumor Fallout + more March 5, 2009
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Great Links, Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
For today’s tidbits, we have images from the Trek issue of Total Film with some Zachary Quinto quotes, plus fallout on that TNG rumor (with reactions from Brent Spiner and Wil Wheaton). We also have comments from Kirk’s mom (Jennifer Morrison) and the original Sulu (George Takei). Finally there is the McCoy entry of our ‘Trek as pop art’ collection.
Beam in and fire + Quinto on Spock
The April issue of Total Film Magazine went on sale today and TrekMovie reader Neil sent in a couple of new images that appear in the issue. There is a a wide angle look at the drilling platform and the first look at the transporter room. We have lower res versions of those here, pick up the magazine to see them even better.
Two to beam out (or in)
Kirk and Sulu do some damage
[We will link to higher res versions when available from Paramount or Total Film.]
TotalFilm also has some quotes from the actors, including Zachary Quinto who says of the role of Spock:
I was always compelled by this character, I understand his duality.
Quinto also notes that Nimoy helped him with the role, but he made it his own:
Leonard was very available to me. There were many conversations between us that were helpful to my understanding of the character…The character wouldn’t exist without Leonard, but I inhabited him in a different way – a way that is uniquely mine.
More images and interviews are in the April Star Trek issue of Total Film, which has four collectible covers. More info at TotalFilm.com.
Total Film goes Total Trek for their April Issue
The TNG rumor that wouldn’t die – Spiner and Wheaton weigh in
On Sunday TrekMovie squashed a rumor being floated about TNG actors possibly being in the new Star Trek movie, although Data, Picard (and possibly others) do show up in the Countdown Comics, alas they aren’t in the movie itself. Latino Review replied to me on Twitter saying that they never said there were TNG actors in the movie, only reported what was said at the panel, but the ‘Breaking News: Is The Next Generation In The New Star Trek Movie?’ headline did get them a lot of coverage on other sites, most of which (like TV Squad, Cinemablend and SciFi Wire added our update). However the big daddy of all geek sites AintItCool News picked up the story with no mention of our update, which set off a new wave across the web. So just in case anyone is wondering, there still aren’t any main cast TNG stars in the movie.
The rumor got to such a critical mass that Brent Spiner even sent out a tweet about it to his Twitter followers:
Just to set the record straight, I’m not in the next ST movie in any way. At least, I don’t think I am.
That resulted in Wil Wheaton sending out a number of ’spoiler’ tweets:
Just to set the record straight: I play Data in JJ’s new Star Trek movie. Apparently, @BrentSpiner was not available, or something.
SPOILER ALERT: A huge part of the reboot is that Data now has a beard. He also wears totally awesome boots that have little ducks on them.
I also insisted that Data carry a Tricorder that said BAD MOTHERF—ER on it. There was some resistance, but it was futile, of course.
To which Brent replied:
I am happy, that my good friend, Wil, wil be Data. If there’s another movie, it wil be 100 yrs in the future and I will play old Wesley.
All this TNG in the movie rumoring also prompted some unnamed fan to produce a new ’secret poster’
Vreenak says ‘it’s a faaaaaaaaaake’
Kirk’s mom talks
In a new interview with Blogcritics, mostly focusing on her role on the FOX medical drama House, Jennifer Morrison also talks a bit about her time on Star Trek, playing Winona Kirk, mother of James T. Kirk:
The whole experience was phenomenal. JJ Abrams is just incredible to work with. I can’t even put it into words. I came out of that a better actor from working with him. It was, by far one of the most incredible experiences I’ve had in the industry so far. I feel so lucky to be a part of it
Morrison’s ‘incredible experience’ on Star Trek looks painful
Sulu Classic gives thumbs up to Sulu 2.0
In a brief red carpet interview, George Takei says that John Cho has the ’swashbuckling panache’ to take over the role of Sulu
Thorsten’s Art Gallery – Dr. McCoy has a warning for you
Today we continue Thorsten Wulff’s series on ‘Star Trek cast as pop art’, this time looking at Dr. McCoy envisioned as a C. Everett Koop medical warning poster or ad. Do you have the facts about space travel?
Listen to Dr. McCoy
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That’s a big laser drill.
Looks like Stardate 5.08.09 will be some ride!
Cool!
Awww…. No YouTube link to the actual Vreenak?
I’m also surprised the new trailer hasn’t popped up anywhere online. On the other hand, I’m actually excited to see it the way it was meant to be seen: on the big screen.
I have a tiny 13″ laptop, so the other trailers with their YouTube versions haven’t exactly been stellar. But today will be different. Not only do I get to see a great movie, I get to see a great movie’s great trailer.
To the AMC!!!
Fun little bits and pieces coming out now — 63 days and counting…
:) Whee!!!
Come on May 8th! I’m dyin’ here! Want new Trek now!
God bless!
And Thorsten,
Great work as usual!
I will attempt to avoid the void.
good stuff
also, for eagle eyed viewers living in the UK, this week’s episode of ‘film 2009 witth jonathan ross’ contains a VERY brief glimpse of the new movie.
the second feature, about 9-10 minutes into the show, was an interview with ben burtt about his work in the field of sound effects. the article focused mainly on his work in wall-e, but there is a short clip of two members of his sound effects team providing the noise for a bar scene.
for all of 2 seconds, there is a sight of what they’re working on, and you can clearly see zoe saldana, then two bartenders mixing drinks. the bar is unquestionably supposed to be from TOS era – i was reminded of the star base in ‘trouble with tribbles’
film 2009 is available to view on bbc iplayer online – i don’t know if it’s viewable outside the UK. but don’t get too excited – what can be seen is barely on screen for any time and is on a cinema screen in the background of the shot – but while were clamouring for new images etc, i thought i’d post it here
I love the secret poster! There may be no cameos in the new film, but I’d say we’re in store for a surprise. Maybe Captain Data’s voice on the com perhaps?
That Picard poster makes me wish for a new TNG movie.. c’mon boborci.. I will buy another ticket if you at least THINK about it.. (like I won’t get another ticket anyway.. ugh trekkies.. so predictable..)
I like that drilling rig pic – Kirk & Sulu: Gettin’ medieval on yo’ ass……….
The transporter room looks very neat. Very REAL… Not to cause more debate but upon the first glance the Power Rangers Movie (1995) Control Room came to mind… just a thought though…
Doesen’t Karl Urban look like Torchwood’s Captain Jack in this picture?
This movie looks better and better every day.
The new transporter effect is awesome!
While I’d like see another TNG movie as well, I don’t think it’s going to happen. Especially after THIS reboot. It won’t sell. We’d have some new folks introduced to Star Trek, ie. via the “new world” of TOS characters and suddenly they’d see a completely different cast they never heard about. I don’t think so.
this article made me laugh! Thanks for the chuckle. The tweets are hilarious!
@ #10: I would support another TNG movie also. Mr. Orci, we know you can make it happen. Pretty please? That Picard poster mock up gave me goosebumps.
who’s seen watchmen? did the trailer live up to the hype?
Ashamed to admit my cluelessness…. I am a big fan of ‘House,’ but I never made the Jennifer Morrison connection until just now. Duh.
I love the Picard poster! If only…
Can’t wait til the movie, loved the Picard poster and the McCoy piece.
May caanot come too quickly.
Since the guys that wrote this movie are big Trekkers, I have every confidence that we’re not going to see a cadet-to-captain career leapfrog for Kir.
After all, if we can’t buy it, I highly doubt that they would either.
I really hope that time is altered in such a way, that someone awakens khan up and thats the premise of the story for the movie after this new trek. HOPEFULLYY !!!!
To set the record straight:
I will be the Dude playing Data playing Wesley playing another Dude…
But seriously, I hope this is sending a message to TPTB at Paramount that there is a lot of interest in a new Next Gen movie.
#13–vaguely, yes…
I like the Transporter shot. Can’t wait for the Hi-Res versions to crop up.
And it looks like Sulu’s sending a lot of Rapid Nadions the way of the Romulans on the drilling platform.
Sure, the Picard poster is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaake. But it does still look greaaaaaaaaaaat…
The drill platform and transporter set designs look great, however the transporter effect IMO looks a little too fake… almost cartoon-like.
Didn’t we see that drilling platform in one of those aerial news shots a while back?
Transporter room certainly looks different.
interesting transporter effect.
I can’t see much of the second image.
Still anxious to see the movie.
Hey #24 You are in montreal too? Good to know that Trek has not died in Québec! :D
@ # 25
This rumour doesn’t mean there is interest in the next gen franchise. The actors are also really old for the characters also. Data cannot be played by a old/fat brent spiner. Patrick Stewart is just busy with other productions and really doesn’t want to revisit trek anytime soon. And i’m trying not to be really mean, but Jonathan Frakes is getting a bit chubby. Plus, it would be weird having a TOS-era movie and then right after a TNG-era movie. Everyday movie goers would get confused by that. Lets just keep the TOS-era crew in the big screens only. The TNG cast should belong on the smaller screen with Direct to dvd movies. The TOS crew are just more interesting characters compared to the TNG characters in my opinion. But when it comes down to the wire, THERE WILL BE NO TNG MOVIE ON THE BIG SCREEN…… EVER !!! so stop blinding yourself with rumours and lies everyone !
@30…
For sure, AJ.
@31…
what you see there are Sulu and Kirk on the drill platform hovering over Vulcan. They planned to use explosive charges to destroy it, but these are gone with CE Olsen. So they blast the thing with rifles…
8 UK show
I checked…there are not clips from Trek on the Jonathan Ross show. Those foley artists were doing a bar scene from The Love Guru and the actress is Meagan Good, not Zoe Saldana
So is the ‘Bring Back TNG!’ refrain this year’s futile equivalent of the ‘Bring Back Bill Shatner!’ campaign?
Jeez, TNG fans, you had seven years of 26-episode seasons and three and a half films. TOS had three seasons and six and a half movies! On balance, I think us TOS fans are owed a lot more screen time than TNG! Stop being so selfish!
You got far more TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise than TOS fans ever got of their shows and films, so accept that you had a phenomenal run and join us TOS fans to enjoy our new film series!
It amazes me that fans of something are so constantly negative. We’ve got a great new film on its way that will hopefully take Trek back to mass appeal. This should be the biggest thing for Star Trek fans of all stripes since TMP started filming!
#33 This rumour doesn’t mean there is interest in the next gen franchise.
Uhhh if there was no interest then I doubt there would be much “TNG Rumor Fallout”.. which apparently there has been.. and will again.. hehehe see what I did there?
need to embiggen the pics soon………………………..
38.
Embiggenation/embigginification would be most excellent.
#36 It amazes me that fans of something are so constantly negative.
Exactly why you should be SUPPORTING a TNG movie :P Oh and don’t be so divisive.. I’d say most fans are looking forward to the new flick and I for one like to use the ole imagination and say “what if” to a TNG flick.. so its all good in the hood yo: relax, chillax
*rotflmao*@Brent and Wil …. Ah…I needed a good laugh for today and that definatly did it. :D
Love the poster, Thorsten!
A new TNG era TV series bringing together characters from TNG, DS9 and Voyager would be a great idea. Riker, La Forge, The Doctor, Ezri Dax, and Tuvok, could make up a crew.
I don’t know about anyone else but that Picard pic is amazing though not authentic.
In the picture of Jennifer Morrison there is a man standing in the background kind of blurry. Is that Ash from ‘Alien’?
The characters in TOS brought their advancing ages to their films to great effect. Even Scotty, who became somewhat portly, did not diminish as a character due to his girth.
For TNG, only Data is an issue, but they could use FX and Spiner’s voice. Don’t think it’s in the cards, though.
The drilling platform laser just isn’t enough…Nero should’ve gone all the way and had sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads as well.
However, the movie hasn’t come out yet. Perhaps there’s hope. *strokes chin*
#43
“A new TNG era TV series bringing together characters from TNG, DS9 and Voyager would be a great idea. Riker, La Forge, The Doctor, Ezri Dax, and Tuvok, could make up a crew.”
I don’t think you’re going to see that….ever. And I really don’t think Paramount is interested in producing anything from the old universe, outside of books, games and comics. In essence: cheap to make stuff.
In terms of what they’re going to spend money on, what they’re going to put on screens, they want a new, fresh, streamlined universe….not one that people largely stopped caring about.
The ratings for DS9, Voy and Ent are one of steady decline. None of the characters from those shows resonate with the public. On the incredibly remote chance that you see something “TNG”…..it’ll be the next generation of the new universe, not the old.
Ok. this is getting close. I loved the Stewart poster on the Trek movie. I thionk that we may hear Datas voice in the movie and I hope be get a look at the Enterprise E as well. But thats just my thought. Long Live the Terran Empire!!!
Wil Wheaton is a hoot.
My local newsagent only got the Kirk cover of Total Film…
@45: Ash was played by Sir Ian Holm, who is 77 years old now. That guy in the pic is not him.
Very good job on the Picard poster.
The original shot is here…
http://www.le.ac.uk/engassoc/images/patrick-stewart.jpg
#48 On the incredibly remote chance that you see something “TNG”…..it’ll be the next generation of the new universe, not the old.
Really? You don’t think that an animated, or straight-to-dvd, or even webisode take on TNG would be more likely than “the next generation of the new universe” ????? …. hmmmmm nope I disagree. If this movie is successful you can bet Paramount will be looking at other avenues for continuing the Trek franchise.. and I’m sure TNG will at least be considered.. and I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.. Star Trek: Titan – The Animated Series (in the vain of the clone wars cartoon).. Spiner may have aged but I bet ol’ yellow eyes can still croon..
Love the transporter shot. It has shades of This Island Earth in there.
The swirl effect reminds me of the Cardassian transpoter effect from DS9. :]
40. ensign joe: ‘Exactly why you should be SUPPORTING a TNG movie :P’
Touche! But a fan of a thing should know when that something is over as well! I totally accepted that TOS was over after ST4. I heard about this new TNG thing and figured the TOS crew were done! I was surprised when ST5 happened and very glad ST6 drew a line under the series.
I loved Buffy and Angel, but, as far as I’m concerned, they’re done! I know there are continuation comics, but I’m not interested. The shows said what they needed to say and went away to DVD archive heaven. Same goes for Alias. Same will go for Galactica shortly, just as I expect to embrace Caprica while it’s on!
Shows and movie series have their time, then need to rest a while before being completely overhauled and rethought.
‘Oh and don’t be so divisive.’
What’s divisive about ‘accept that you had a phenomenal run and join us TOS fans to enjoy our new film series!’ That’s a friendly invite!
‘I’d say most fans are looking forward to the new flick’
I think so too. The whingers like to ‘thcweam and thcweam until they’re thick’ and therefore make a lot more noise than the rest of us!
‘I for one like to use the ole imagination and say “what if” to a TNG flick..’
Imagine away. That’s not the same as the constant bleating of ‘Give us another TNG film!’ a la the ‘Bring Back Shatner! crowd or the ‘Give us a trailer already!’ crowd!
’so its all good in the hood yo: relax, chillax’
I am relaxed! I’m doing a night shift, then I’m off to see Watchmen this weekend.
In a couple of months’ time, I’m looking forward to seeing the Star Trek film followed by the Terminator film – which I’m possibly looking forward to more than Star Trek. The trailer for the new Terminator movie looks like an epic movie based on Ron Moore’s BSG! Then there’s Wolverine, of course!
It’s a good year in the cinema for this child who grew up watching movies in the 1980s!
The closest we’ll ever see to a True TNG Cameo will be if Whoopi revisits her role as Guinan. Since the elaurian Guinan is hundreds of years old, it’s very possible she has a moment or two. And even Whoopi has said she isn’t in this one, but any future movies it might be another story as she’d Love to put back on the big hat and give Guinan some more screen time.
Gotta love that Transporter room. :)
I still think that as far as Tng in the Trek movie we will see the Enterprise E in it at least for a brief moment. I also think we will at least hear brint Spiners Voice as Data as he wishes Spock good Luck on his Mission.
The Picard poster makes me wonder how cool the TNG movies could have been… if they weren’t treated like an afterthought and if Stewart had actually been given something to do.
LOVE that transporter pic. I love the updated look of teh transporter effect too. Everything I have seen and heard so far looks fantastic in my opinion. I can’t wait til May!
Dr Spock cover only at my newsagent! bah i wanted a Captain Solo one!
aint read it yet but looks a good article though – and there is also a retro article on all the previous films and tv shows
47,
“sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads ”
LOL!!
OH WOW, CANT…HELP..GEEKING…OUT. I LOVE THE TRANSPORTER, IT LOOKS BIG, IT LOOKS INDUSTRIAL, IT LOOKS POWERFUL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS ACTUALLY MEANT TO DECONSTRUCT AND TRANSPORT MATTER VIA PURE ENGERY.
NEW TRAILER TOMORROW! WOOT
58. bryan ‘The closest we’ll ever see to a True TNG Cameo will be if Whoopi revisits her role as Guinan.’
True, but it’d be better to cast a younger actress for the supposedly-ageless Guinan. Merrin Dungey, perhaps!
61. Jefferies Tuber ‘The Picard poster makes me wonder how cool the TNG movies could have been… if they weren’t treated like an afterthought’
That’s the problem with ‘All Good Things . . .’ It tied the whole of TNG into a neat bow. It said everything that ever needed to be said about the characters, who they were, are and potentially will be.
The characters all then sail off into the sunset in an ending reminiscent of the end of Star Trek VI. It’s a great ending, but doesn’t lend itself well to continuations.
A more sensible route for ‘All Good Things . . .’ and season seven as a whole would have been to lay the groundwork for the film series: y’know, forebodings about the impending destruction of the Enterprise, some references to TOS and Kirk. Maybe an appearance by Lursa and B’Etor with some Romulans. Nothing major, but stuff that wouldn’t make season seven seem like an ending.
While the first TNG film should have been able to stand alone, ‘All Good Things . . .’ could have been the episode to set the scene, like ‘Countdown’ does for Star Trek 2009.
Instead, we got in Generations a refitted Enterprise-D whose refit isn’t mentioned, DS9 uniforms, some pointless reheated references to the Klingon Civil War, Data no longer being Data and the dumbest excuse to destroy the Enterprise-D ever.
Given the producers of Generations and TNG were the same people, season seven of TNG should have been a massive build-up to the TNG feature series, not a series about closure and endings!
#57 What’s divisive about ‘accept that you had a phenomenal run and join us TOS fans to enjoy our new film series!
That’s just it. US TOS fans.. Many are fans of both.. I am one..
but no I’m not going to start writing petitions to get TNG back on the air or anything.. I’m just saying it COULD be cool.. if not then so be it..
oh and BRING BACK KIRK!!!! :P
oh and enjoy watchmen..
Just don’t like the new transporter effects. Not a matter of nostalgia. The TOS effects were simply better at conveying the idea of converting molecules into energy and back again.
Old raisin Sulu 1.0 wants to do New Sulu 2.0…
TNG es no mas…
Me gusta Capitan Kirk y Senor Spock!
I wonder if the new Spock will have some…Sylariffic tendencies. =P
67. ensign joe: ‘That’s just it. US TOS fans.. Many are fans of both.. I am one..’
Then you weren’t someone I was addressing with that remark! I was talking to TNG fans who aren’t TOS fans who seem to feel they have a God-given right to a TNG film, even when there’s something new to replace it! After Nemesis, Trek fans are lucky to have any Star Trek at all!
Also ‘Join them TOS fans . . .’ would be bad English, innit! ;)
68. Anthony Thompson
Maybe they don’t use energy/matter conversion in this universe’s transporters.
68. Anthony Thompson
Better by what standard? How often do you convert molecules into energy and back again in a manner similar to a transporter?
I like the Picard poster! Too bad it’s for nothing. I still think there could be a big surprise or two JJ is hiding.
68 – Seeing that swirling effect reminds me of a whirlpool collection of matter being draw into a controlled system.
Movement visually conveys energy for me, and seeing it swirl around tells me it is controlled within a containment area.
I actually like it visually.
At least the Picard poster doesn’t look like Killface like the comic version does:)
Can’t wait to see the transporter fx in action!
#72 I was talking to TNG fans who aren’t TOS fans who seem to feel they have a God-given right to a TNG film
Thats fine.. I just didn’t see any posts that reflected that type of fan on this talkback.. (1-35) so maybe you are referring to a different talkback.. oh wait.. nevermind it was #18..
snap!
19, Seen Watchmen on Tuesday, but they didn’t play the trailer… Actually didn’t play any trailers at my screening. :-(
BTW: That Picard poster is awesome, I wish it was real!
Is it just me or does the image of the transporter room look like it’s CGI? (Beyond the effect itself.) Something doesn’t seem quite real…the perspective of the room to the actors? I thought I heard there were some “sets” were rendered as CGI models and greenscreened. Is it possible that’s the case with the Transporter Room? Say it isn’t so.
And I have to admit…I miss the classic transporter effect. (Especially since we heard the SFX in the trailers.
Whomever created that Picard poster … it is really good. Looks fantastic. Nice job!
Mr. Orci:
An idea for the next movie (if ST’09 will suceed):
Make a TOS/TNG-movie. A story splitted in two timelines: The 23rd and the 24th century. There is some problem and the two crew has to work together – via Time-Communication or something. They’ll don’t met and they don’t know who the others are (with exception for the TNG-crew).
ahhh…. Okay, that’s too weird. But what about that:
The Enterprise found an alien ship, with familiar configurations (Enterprise-E or another Sovereign-Class vessel). It’s stolen from the 24th century. A band of pirates or evil Klingons try to steal it and use it for their one purpose: Conquest! In the end, there’s a short meeting between Ambassador Picard, Captain Data and Kirk and Spock (like Nick Fury in Ironman).
mmhh… Now that I posted my ideas here, they’ll never will come true. But I still can have dreams… or?
BTW: Great work, Thorsten. Sieht ganz nett aus :))
#59
Not creepy. See?
Now Thorsten, how can we be sure that Bones saves the Horta in the new time-line?
“Nacells Monthy” gets what i believe is an unintentional mention in Total Film LOL
oh and they go through each series (movie as well) and discuss what the new film might take from them and stuff to avoid
The TNG actors are getting too old to really make another movie. The whole aging program for Data was so contrived.
If they ever want a TNG movie, Paramount should do another reboot. I wouldn’t be nearly as excited about the upcoming Star Trek movie if it didn’t have a new cast. These young actors and JJ have really fired up my interest.
Transporter room looks cool kind of an Apple-Sauced version of the beloved original. Have to see the effect but I don’t really like the swirly underwater looking effect, I prefer gold shimmer.
No more Next Gen
No more Next Gen
Nanny nanny booboo
Just teasing but sorry you be done, no more overly politically correct, tepid, Berkley hippie Commune Trek onboard a ship that looks like the inside of a Holiday Inn Express,.. please. Time for some Hot Chicks, Fist throwdowns and hopefully and nice social allegory of some kind wrapped up neatly in a thoughtful drama and some good old fashioned manly Bromance.
If you want to start chanting more DS9 though I ‘d be down
on todays Howard Stern show, George Takei said that he will not appear on Sharners talk show and he was very glad that Shatner was not involved in the new Star Trek!
#87, Takei has a major blood worm up his impulse deck.
George Takei also compared Shatner to the Octuplet mom. He said like Nadya “OctoMom” Sulemam, everything has to be about him all the time.
George also revealed to Howard’s fans that he didn’t want to do ST: 5 since Shatner was going to direct it. the only reason he agreed to appear in Star Trek 5 was because Nichelle Nichols begged him to.
More Next Gen
More Next Gen
More Next Gen
More Next Gen
More Next Gen
Saying that the Next Gen cast is too old to do a Next Gen Movie is ludicrous. I refer you to Star Treks III, IV, V, VI, and in some regard VII. That would be an aging crew you see on the screen. Saying that one crew is too old while another is not is like saying one familiy’s older generation is suitable for a dinner invite and one is not. If that is something you do on a regular basis, then your problem is too deep seeded to fix on an internet site. Have a nice life.
I actually like the new swirly effect. It’s different, maybe a little too different, but it does convey a sense of “transportation”. The special effects of that drilling platform are the best I have ever seen. For Trek to get that is truly phenomenal even if the movie were to suck.
regarding the Patrick poster – someone should do a Shatner one as well
Wow… that transporter room looks…. it looks…. it looks stupid.
I finally start to accept the movie and then one more thing shows up that looks like it was designed by someone who was told “Just put a lot of crap on top of the original design, paint some of it a glossy white, and call it good.”
Bob Orci:
NEXT GEN FILM…… MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Orrrrr….
Why not a Star Trek series for TV….. STAR TREK: TITAN ANYONE???
Make it so Bob….
Resistance is futile…
#95 nah I think resitance is very doable in this case. TNG was so milked with two spin off series. It’s a dead horse I think.
93:
I second that. Why not do the whole crew?
saw the new trailer attached to Watchmen here in Australia last night..
was very epic, if this doesn’t convert the mainstream audiences nothing will – seemed like an awesome sci-fi flick, still not sure how it’ll play as a “Star Trek” film though..time will tell
95 – perhaps if the new film is a hit and spawns TOS era sequels then maybe its not impossible for a TNG show again (as you say Titan or even the further adventures of the Ent E with Capt Riker or another guy with various TNG cameos or even regular appearences)
if there is to be anothet Trek tv show one day id prefer it to be with at least some of TNG
I have good ideas for a Titan series, utilise the BREEN – these fools were so under used in Star Trek, they attacked Earth for gods sake!! They were bad ass and had no rules and after the Dominion War they would have had alot of territory and therefore been a huge threat to the Feds.
Titan should be set about 5-6 years after Nemesis and use elements of countdown to build up to the new movie with the next 4-5 years focussing on the aftermath with other Star Trek shizzle included. There is soo much scope and demand for this.
GIVE THE FANS WHAT THEY WANT!!!
99) Rodenberry wanted Trek to go forwards not backwards (which is why, IMO Ent failed so badly, it made no sense to go backwards!), there is (i feel) such huge fan support for more Next Gen that they [Paramount] would be stupid not to at least attempt to milk it further…
98 – i want to see the new trailer on the big screen (along with the new T4 one) but i just cant be arsed to go see WM….dunno what it is…i was hyped a while ago but now its come out im just like ‘meh cant be bothered…’
getting old i think : (
81. CaptainRickover: ‘Make a TOS/TNG-movie. A story splitted in two timelines: The 23rd and the 24th century. There is some problem and the two crew has to work together – via Time-Communication or something. They’ll don’t met and they don’t know who the others are (with exception for the TNG-crew).’
Dude, that’s such a load of fanwank! :0 Extremist diehards might love it, but the rest of us will go see something else! Whatever happened to just getting on with telling a space adventure? Once the time-travel, universe-hopping of this new film is out of the way, hopefully we’ll get a movie every couple of years about Kirk and co on a regular mission!
If they’d have had the nouse and the budget in the mid-1990s, they could have gone Godfather II-style with an epic Generations-spanning (pun-intended!) tale where we see a TNG story counterpointed by a TOS one, but that’s impossible now!
The TNG crew are the same age the TOS crowd were when people started making ‘oldly go’ quips.
And who in their right mind would make a successful new Star Trek movie, then ditch the cast and sets to make a film based on a previous incarnation that fizzled out almost a decade earlier? Even a straight-to-DVD film wouldn’t make its money back!
Maybe we’ll get a neo-TOS crew alongside a neo-TNG crew in 20 years’ time, but for now the ‘next generation’ Star Trek movie we’re getting is the one opening in May!
99# Roddenberry also pitched an Academy era Star trek story. “Going forwards” has nothing to do with the timeline it is set in. 23rd or 24th its all the future. What matters is that the stories stay strong. TOS has a lot of unexplored territory and a reboot in the TOS universe allows for stronger characters and stronger stories. It’s just that simple.
Enterprise didn’t fail because it was a prequel. It failed because it didn’t even bother to make use of it’s prequel design. Most of the stories they told in Enterprise could have been so much Voyager left overs, that’s really all it was. It was a badly developed series. The fact that it’s a prequel is really irrelevant.
Wait. There’s a new Star Trek movie coming out?
100. Jay El Jay: ‘GIVE THE FANS WHAT THEY WANT!!!’
As Joss Whedon said: ‘Give the fans what they need, not what they want!’
And besides, there isn’t any real interest in a TNG film outside of hardcore TNG fans. On the radars of people going to be introduced to the new Star Trek, TNG isn’t even a blip. Even to the casual sci-fi fans, at most it’s just some late-80s show they flick past on the way to Stargate: Atlantis or Ron Moore’s Battlestar Galactica!
Next Gen fans,
I hate to break it to you, but they are getting a little old to play their parts
#107
May I refer you to #91.
And if Star Trek is supposed to move forward, why are they doing a movie about TOS? That kind of goes against that argument, does it not?
Having just looked at the fan-made ‘teaser poster’ for Picard, I’m sort of glad this won’t be the case. Why? He looks bored! Hahahah. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, he looked bored in the “Nemesis” poster too! Perhaps it’s best to let sleeping dogs lie. :)
Humbug to the lot of ya! :P
Are you kiddin? The next gen could BARELY pull off a movie, they were all atrociously bad, out of character and plain bad film making. They shoulda stayed on the TV where an hour format was more than enough.
Generations: Plot holes big enough an ELEPHANT could get thru.
Data gets his emotion chip (so much for learning about humanity thru experience..just upgrade his hardware..)
First Contact: Picard goes Commando. ‘ Lock & load’
Cochran is a selfish drunk prick.
Borg Queen gives data an orgasm “was it good for you..” oh god..
Boring pacing, the cast have NOTHING TO DO.
Troi drunk-one of the all time most embarrassing scenes in ANY movie..
Insurrection: The Baku are basically squatters on a federation planet, they are given the chance to relocate peacefully but refuse..Im supposed to feel sorry for them?
Nemesis: More out of character moments, Picard running around in a BUGGY. Data’s useless death. Contrived plot.
I dunno, I’d rather NOT see any more TNG movies based on those poor performers. Like I said the characters could barely hold up on a TV show.
“GIVE THE FANS WHAT THEY WANT!!!”
that reminded me of Gods polite request in star trek V…i remember seeing that at the cinema opening day back in ‘89…me and the 12 other people in the cinema were quaking in our seats!
20 years…hmmm *shakes head in disbelief*….time is the fire in which we burn….
111 – i think Generations was good in parts – ok it had plot holes and Kirks death wasn’t great ..but as i get older I find myself appreciating the movie more – esp the Picard/Soran scenes…
FC as everyone knows is the 3rd best film (behind II and III :)
Ok I have no love for Insurrection and Nemesis – but dont blame the cast…blame the story…
Here are the original scans that I sent in to Anthony;
http://www.hanabi.co.uk/trek/Uhura.jpeg
http://www.hanabi.co.uk/trek/Transporters.jpeg
http://www.hanabi.co.uk/trek/platform.jpeg
I just realized why I think this transporter room design looks like crap.
They look like they’re standing in a pneumatic tube system from a bank, as if they’re about to be sucked upwards and delivered into the office of some douchey banker.
The new designs kind of remind me of the designs in 60s and 70s Trek comics which often had a more practical, functional design!
99) “Rodenberry wanted Trek to go forwards not backwards”
“Even if Nimoy never plays Spock again, I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest as they say tomorrow’s things to tomorrow’s generations…”
http://trekmovie.com/2008/03/06/more-from-roddenberry-on-treks-future-after-him-recasting/
“We also had talked about maybe doing the story about how all the Enterprise crew came together years ago. But we are all seven years older and that might become such a huge make up problem that it makes it impossible.”
http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/27/roddenberry-considered-tos-prequel-for-tmp/
“(which is why, IMO Ent failed so badly, it made no sense to go backwards!),”
Yes, despite the fact that it generally was considered a dull series with poor character development and dull stories early on, mixed in with being shown on a fledgling network that was hardly considered competition for the other networks, and a ratings trend that had started with DS9 (a sequel.)
Just putting post TNG uniforms wasn’t exactly going to help it, as we know from DS9 and Voyager.
“there is (i feel) such huge fan support for more Next Gen that they [Paramount] would be stupid not to at least attempt to milk it further…”
Star Trek: Nemesis – $43,000,000 Box Office Return in the U.S.
They appear to be using Clone Wars-era blaster rifles. :-P
Yes, I know, the “bolt” effect is precedented in Trek. Just having some fun.
117. Devon
“Just putting post TNG uniforms wasn’t exactly going to help it, as we know from DS9 and Voyager.”
DS9 was one of the better series. It delved deeper and darker into Trek and the writing was incredible. The characters and story arcs far exceeded those of TNG in my opinion.
86. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar
PREACH!!!!!
Word!!!
119. Montreal Paul: ‘DS9 was one of the better series. It delved deeper and darker into Trek and the writing was incredible. The characters and story arcs far exceeded those of TNG in my opinion.’
Yes, but DS9 was the ’secondary’ series and had the luxury of being able to do non-trad Trek stuff while Voyager continued the ‘primary’ ship-based routine.
Oh My God, STAR TREK Trailer 3 (last on the page) looks awesome;
http://jonn.co.uk/movies/modules/news/article.php?storyid=472
The music is incredible and epic, starting off a little like the Batman Begins music.
I’ll say this about the Next Generation films.
“Generations” was hard to love, at least from my perspective. It’s an adequate “passing the torch” kind of film, but it didn’t really have much going for it plot-wise. I remember watching it in the theater when I was 7, and by the end I was really disappointed. Kirk’s appearance was merely a way to start and end the film…and his death took me by surprise in the worst way possible (at least the director didn’t stick with the original ending, which was SO much worse). In addition to that, I didn’t find Soran to be a compelling villain, even though he had clear motivations. As a Next Generation vehicle, it was shaky at best, but it was a big transitional moment for the NG crew. They can be forgiven for that.
“First Contact” was indeed the best NG film, if not one of the best Trek movies. I believe it was on the second disc of the special edition DVD that Brannon Braga talked about what motivated him and others to write “First Contact”. He described how the major stake of the film was Star Trek itself. If the Borg change history, Star Trek won’t happen. I still think that was a brilliant concept after all these years. Yeah, sure, there were stupid moments in it like Troi getting drunk and the Borg Queen giving Data an orgasm, but I believe the good outweighed the bad. When the Enterprise E showed up on screen for the first time, I was stunned. The Borg battle in the first ten minutes was amazing, even though it was brief. It was funny, action-packed, insightful, and a little scary. When I saw the movie with my dad, I felt like I could forget about “Generations” completely. This was a true Next Generation film, and a fine one at that. I’ve never been more impressed with a Trek film since ‘The Undiscovered Country’.
“Insurrection” was…bad. It was basically a hodge podge of old Next Generation episodes lumped in with stilted dialogue, forced humor (stress the word ‘forced’), boring bad guys, and lousy stakes. It wouldn’t even work as a made-for-TV movie.
To be honest, “Nemesis” had a lot going for it. Unfortunately, John Logan should not have written the script. I thought the story was great–even if it borrowed a little from the political intrigue of “The Undiscovered Country”–but certain scenes and dialogue exchanges were painful to watch. It was as if Logan’s head was still buried in “Gladiator” land. In other words, the dialogue tried way too hard to be deep. I didn’t like Shinzon, or at least I didn’t like Tom Hardy’s portrayal of him. I watched the DVD last week and I couldn’t put my finger on why I didn’t like Hardy’s Shinzon until now: he’s nothing more than a whiny punk. I can see where Logan was going with the idea that Shinzon felt robbed of his identity, but the dialogue and the delivery of it was nothing but whining, especially towards the third act. The idea of duality was intriguing, but it was deeply buried in the script’s shortcomings. Even the battle in the Basin Rift, an obvious homage to “The Wrath of Khan”, was boring. Of course, it didn’t help that Stuart Baird was directing it, but there are certain things you can’t blame on the director.
All-in-all, I think the Next Generation cast members gave it their best shot. Some cameos in other shows or movies would be wonderful, but that’s all I can possibly imagine.
Sad that the fan made Secret poster with Picard makes me more excited for this movie even though there is no TNG cast members in it, ah well hopefully there will me more TNG if this movie is a success.
Make it so!
122. Neil Bradley
OMG! That trailer blew me away! I haven’t had goosebumps watching a Trek trailer since TWOK. This looks epic! Wow. Absolutely incredible!
Wow, thanks for the trailer.
Was way too much “batman begins” imo, but still nice.
#119 – “DS9 was one of the better series. It delved deeper and darker into Trek and the writing was incredible. The characters and story arcs far exceeded those of TNG in my opinion.”
Your right, and let me rephrase that as DS9 actually IS like my top two Trek series.
“Putting post-TNG uniforms on them wasn’t going to help them ratings wise.”
*You’re* right.
Great trailer! That looks like a good movie; one I want to see.
#111
Yeah, Next Gen sucked. That’s why it was the #1 syndicated TV show of it’s time and lasted 8 years. The movies were well done but poorly scripted. And Nemesis’ poor direction is legendary. Maybe it was destined to be a TV show only. But I would respectfully submit that if it had been given Paramount’s full support, like the new Trek movie, we might be singing a different Trek tune.
When you hate on Next Gen, you start to sound ignorant.
127. Devon
“Putting post-TNG uniforms on them wasn’t going to help them ratings wise.”
the ratings problems was just the start of the over saturation of Trek on the market. I didn’t even think about the uniform thing as a rating ploy.. it was just to maintain consistency with the same Trek universe.
regarding posters im getting the impression that the main one sheet (i mean the main one not teaser) will be :
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p134/JonDonnis/1-121.jpg
“Why are you talking to me man?”
“Because. I dare you to enlist in starfleet.”
*crowd going “ooohhhhhh*
“Man, I’m out of here.”
“I double dog dare you.”
“Fine, I’ll enlist.”
And so begins the career of the Legendar Captain Kirk….
“Just to set the record straight: I play Data in JJ’s new Star Trek movie. Apparently, @BrentSpiner was not available, or something.”
…I am SO fracking glad I quit following Wil’s retarded tweets.
#54
“Really? You don’t think that an animated, or straight-to-dvd, or even webisode take on TNG would be more likely than “the next generation of the new universe” ?????”
Uh…no. In terms of product, they over expanded and extended. They have a new “brand” out now, one that is streamlined, fresh and new. THAT’S what they will focus on in terms of money….especially if it is successful. Because they’ll look at doing more with *that* than they will with the movie series that bombed and a brand who’s numbers declined long ago.
And when the time comes, they’ll might even move into the new brands “TNG”.
The old universe will be kept alive through books, comics and games because that’s where it can be produced cheaply and make some money. The numbers on TNG’s films show decline. The ratings on all post TNG series get worse as time goes by. There’s a trend there that exec’s are looking at and it says: people, outside of some die hard fans, aren’t interested in that brand anymore.
You’re best bet on seeing any new TNG or “Starship Titan” will be when someone does the TNG version of “New Voyages” or “Starship Exeter”.
134. The Lensman
‘You’re best bet on seeing any new TNG or “Starship Titan” will be when someone does the TNG version of “New Voyages” or “Starship Exeter”.’
Realistically, when the spin-off books and comics based on the new movie series start hitting the shelves, you have to wonder how much longer they’ll run TNG/DS9/Voyager etc books.
When the BBC relaunched Doctor Who, within a year they’d ditched the two novel series about the previous eight Doctors and audio play producers Big Finish saw a big drop in sales.
It’s sad in one way, but good for the franchise in the long run!
135. Dom
There will still be TNG, DS9 & VOY comics and novels. They still do VOY novels and they returned home at the end of the series.
About the new trailer: Is it just me or does Nero sound like Martin Sheen? And is it just me, or does Zoe Saldana’s Uhura sound like she’s on helium? ;D
Aside from that, everything looked good.
136. Montreal Paul: ‘There will still be TNG, DS9 & VOY comics and novels. They still do VOY novels and they returned home at the end of the series.’
Of course there are at the moment! I said that I wondered for how much longer it’d be practical for them to run spin-off novels based on the spin-off shows.
When a franchise is completely revamped and goes very mainstream, the spin-offs go where the big money is. The novelisation of the new film is likely to be the biggest-selling Trek book of the year.
It’s likely that ***in time*** we’ll see fewer and fewer books with the TOS cast on them, in favour of the new cast. And fewer people are going to take an interest in old Trek spin-off shows like TNG (dead 15 years), DS9 (dead 10) Voyager and Enterprise! If they make enough money on neo-Trek, the tiny market for spin-offs of spin-offs becomes wasteful, especially if enough people move over to the neo-Trek books!
New fans might take a gander at TOS Remastered, but the focus of Paramount’s marketing will inevitably be the new Star Trek. They’ll want to chase the new fans with novels, comicbooks, toys, sticker albums . . . underpants. You name it! ;)
#137 – Trailer was sped up a bit.
#139
Thank God! :D
Oh, I see the transporter got the Michael Chriton “TIMELINE” treatment. Some art director’s been watching bad film adaptations of good books.
138. Dom
Like i said.. there STILL WILL be all those novels and comics in the furure. Just because of a new movie doesn’t they will stop everything else. Come on. When TNG started up we stiil had TOS novels and comics.. not just movie era novels.. but old school TOS novels. And even in the future we will STILL have TNG DS9 and VOY novels. now AND in the future. Just because there is a new movie doesn’t mean everything else doesn’t exist anymore. And YES you will STILL see original cast stuff too. Like I said.. just because there is a new movie with a new cast doesn’t mean they ignore everything else.
Meh… the transporter isn’t dramatic enough. Back in “The Cage” it was a truly frightening site, and the loud hum exuded power and danger. Transportation looked rough, and it should be == it is scattering your atoms and reassembling them hundreds of miles away!
I still say ST09 should have opted for the industrial look, like BSG. And I THOUGHT we were going to get that when I saw the first trailer. Looked pretty nuts-n-bolts to me!
Instead, we get shiny plastic corridors and The Apple Store bridge. And Spock’s hair is plastic too.
I wish somebody would re-re-boot Trek with the industrial, grey, gritty look of “The Cage”. And Number One. Bring back Number One!
— Maltz Cho Chu
114. Neil Bradley – March 5, 2009
Here are the original scans that I sent in to Anthony’
Thanks, Neil!
122: No video there now….
Love the new transporter effects, and proving that Karl Urban was the correct choice for Bones.
“As Joss Whedon said: ‘Give the fans what they need, not what they want!’”
…Like that’s kept him in the win column outside of his little group of sycophants.
Not sure why some still want tng on the big screen. I loved the show but the characters were good on television. With the exception of first contact all tng films were really bad.
Reason being the tng characters were never big screen characters. Tos characters were engageing but their differences made for drama and that can translate anywhere.
Tng characters were all buddy buddy. No tension. You cannot do much with that.
To go back to the original characters and crank up the development of those characters as you would if trek were being made for the very first time and for the movies is a stroke of brilliance.
Don’t get me wrong. Part of me would love to have seen the Tng crew in the film lead with the combined skills of Picard and Data being totally annihilated by Nero and a punishment for what they did to Kirk in generations.
Nero then goes back in time to get a severe ass kicking from an inexperienced 20 year old Kirk before being blown to kingdom come.
The debate on who was the best captain thus being settled forever. Although it always has been to those of us who know Kirk best.
Well I suppose it was inevitable the TNG mob would pop out of the woodwork- I guess if any of them are putting books out it will be around the time of the new film being released too.
Best just ignore them- it will only encourage them otherwise.
106- You are right, I was just thinking of the last time I watched a TNG episode and it has been at least five or six years. I’d rather catch reruns of Enterprise, watch BSG or pop in my firefly DVD’s. TNG has has aged and had silly conceptsand ideas. Example: having a child as the helmsman and keeping families onboard a warship was frakkin stupid. I was eleven when TNG came out and as a child myself at the time I thought that that was as retarded as Anakin Skywalker yelling YIPPEE!! At least the writers did not repeat that mistake on DS9 when Sisko would take out the Defiant and Voyager only had the one kid because they did not have any choice. TNG just did not portray a realistic vision of humanity that is found in almost every other sci-fi franchise which made it difficult to connect with them. The emotional investment that I made in characters like Firefly’s Malcom Reynolds or Shepard Book or even Captain Archer on Enterprise felt much more natural to me than to Roddenbery’s perfect uberhuman of TNG. Was TNG a good show? Yes, but for me it had its time, and that time passed away about fifteen years ago.
#135
“When the BBC relaunched Doctor Who, within a year they’d ditched the two novel series about the previous eight Doctors and audio play producers Big Finish saw a big drop in sales.”
Are you saying the drop in sales was due to the change in books? Or the demand for classic Who audio dropped because of NuWho the series?
I’ve been buying alot of Classic Who DVD’s lately (and loving it!) and I always thought it was awesome that they were doing new stuff with the classic Doctors….and full cast audio to boot!
(An area I always thought Trek screwed up in during the 90’s, as regards classic Trek. Should’ve done full cast audio with authentic sound FX instead of this one guy trying to play all the parts bullshit….but I digress.)
As those actors who played Doctors 4-8 are still around, I’d have thought any new Who with them in it would be selling real well since this is the only way people will get them in new adventures.
I like the way the transporter platfom looks!
# 103 and #138
I can’t help, but it seems, Dom my fellow, that you HATE TNG so much, that you would even travel back in time, and prevent it’s creation. Perhaps you’re Nero?
I think, you take that BRING-BACK-TNG-stuff all too seriously. There are not only TOS-fans out there. Look at the polls: A majority of fans on this site wishes a return of TNG (on TV or at least on DVD). If there will be ever a new TV-show, it will be something like TNG, a continuation of Enterprise perhaps, or a show, 50 years after TNG. They will not make a show in the movie-era, to prevent any interfering with possible movies. So or so, TNG will return in some way – no doubt witn a new look and design. I would like to see a reunion of the old cast. They are in their 50’s (only Stewart is older) and far away from beeing too old. You’re an only-TOS-fan, as far as I can see. So, if the TNG-crew is too old by now, what’s with Leonard Nimoy? He’s in his 80’s if I’m correct. And everyone looking forward for his return in the new movie.
And about my fanboyish ideas: Come up with something better!
I named this things as weird stuff by myself. Perhaps you should read the entire post first?
In case nobody noticed, the “fan poster” was based off imagery from “X-Men: The Last Stand:” http://images.movieplayer.it/2006/05/15/wallpaper-del-film-x-men-conflitto-finale-62592.jpg
I still feel that TNG belongs on TV. It worked for me because it had an ensamble cast that needs more than a two hour block every 2-3 years. I want to know more about the characters from all three 24th century shows in the form of semi-annual minseries. Leave the epic films to TOS cast with its well-known triad of heroes and the others to support the story.
152. CaptainRickover – ‘I can’t help, but it seems, Dom my fellow, that you HATE TNG so much, that you would even travel back in time, and prevent it’s creation.’
I really don’t hate it! I just think it’s had its time.
‘A majority of fans on this site wishes a return of TNG (on TV or at least on DVD).’
Yeah and that’ll pay for the production and distribution costs!
‘If there will be ever a new TV-show, it will be something like TNG, a continuation of Enterprise perhaps, or a show, 50 years after TNG.’
I’d like to see your crystal ball!
‘They will not make a show in the movie-era, to prevent any interfering with possible movies.’
How do you know they’ll make a TV show at all! Or that they won’t follow a different ship in the same era.
‘So or so, TNG will return in some way – no doubt witn a new look and design. I would like to see a reunion of the old cast. They are in their 50’s (only Stewart is older) and far away from beeing too old.’
2+2=5
‘You’re an only-TOS-fan, as far as I can see.’
In fairness, I’ve got TAS and DS9 on DVD as well . . .
‘So, if the TNG-crew is too old by now, what’s with Leonard Nimoy?’
He’s guesting as a very old man.
‘He’s in his 80’s if I’m correct.’
70s.
‘And everyone looking forward for his return in the new movie.’
Yeah, but he’s there in a small capacity to introduce a new cast.
154. T’Cal: ‘I still feel that TNG belongs on TV.’
Yes, definitely! People need to stop thinking that taking a TV show to the cinema is an upgrade.
‘It worked for me because it had an ensamble cast that needs more than a two hour block every 2-3 years.’
Right on the money! More than that, the cast should have been more fluid. Most ensemble TV shows have characters moving in and out, doing a couple of seasons here and there, characters get different jobs and leave, get killed or whatever. The moment Bland Bev came back to TNG, the whole point of the ensemble cast died!
TNG should have carried on beyond season seven, by which time Riker should have been captain for example. Stuff like the Dominion War should have been part of the TNG storyline. You could even have stranded the Enterprise in the Delta Quadrant for a couple of seasons.
‘I want to know more about the characters from all three 24th century shows in the form of semi-annual minseries. Leave the epic films to TOS cast with its well-known triad of heroes and the others to support the story.’
Having a TV series set in the future of the the current incarnation is a mistake. It completely handcuffs the original team. I mean look at Star Trek VI. Suppose they’d wanted to blow up Qu’Onos or destroy Vulcan. They couldn’t because it’s still there in TNG.
As I’ve said before, the 24th century era (now bordering on 25th century) has been done. Twenty-one seasons of TV and three and a half films. Everything that can be said has been said. It’s time to let it go and embrace the new!
#156
“Most ensemble TV shows have characters moving in and out, doing a couple of seasons here and there, characters get different jobs and leave, get killed or whatever.”
While I enjoyed TNG, this element (or lack thereof) always bothered me. That some of the stuff these characters endured…..and by next week…they’re back to normal. Picard should’ve been written out after BoBW or Inner Light as both were profound life changing experiences. Riker should’ve been captain, others should’ve moved on etc, etc.
There also seemed to be this mindset that what worked for one show, would work for another, even when it didn’t. So on Voy. they had the main cast signed for seven years……but certain characters, like Kim, didn’t initially resonate with people….so they did nothing with him….so he didn’t resonate with people…so they did nothing, well you get the point.
Sadly, instead of getting rid of him and bringing in a character that could generate stories, they kept him around. It’s like they thought that just by being there, he’d achieve the status of Chekov and Sulu, characters with much less development.
Mayweather on Ent was the same way. Should Trek ever return to the small screen, I’d love to see them take the Law and Order approach where characters come and go and the show has different “era’s” within itself. It would’ve been cool to have the “Picard era” and the “Riker era” or even “Jellico era” on TNG.
157. The Lensman: ‘It would’ve been cool to have the “Picard era” and the “Riker era” or even “Jellico era” on TNG.’
Ronny Cox as full-time captain of the Enterprise would have been brilliant. Apparently, we were supposed to see Jellico as some sort of bad guy, but not once did he show any poor judgement. He simply had an inherited first officer who behaved like a highly unprofessional prima donna and had to sack him!
If you ask me, any actors who were signing up for Trek shows had their agents baying for seven year contracts just in case they’d go to the cinema. I reckon the main reason TNG actors sat around in the show for the duration was purely the movie carrot-on-stick.
#107: “Next Gen fans, I hate to break it to you, but they are getting a little old to play their parts.”
While I won’t disagree that it is unlikley we’ll see another TNG movie, I do have to disagree about your premise. The TOS cast members were far older than the NG cast when they made ST VI TUC. VI, in my opinion, was one of the better film deliveries of the original cast… (I rank it third behind TMP (#1) and the WOK (#2) — and in that order).
I think ‘Nemesis’ sealed the fate of the TNG cast as to future endeavors. Sad, really. Picard and crew deserved a far better ’sailing into the sunset’ than what that film delivered.
I am sure if the film had delivered the goods that we would have seen a canon-accepted rebirth of DATA.
The same could be said of the finale on ‘Enterprise.’ I refuse, to this day, to believe that Trip’s death was to be of a permanent nature (and am happy to see the writers of the books feel that way too).
In fairness, the TNG crew are now pretty much in the same age bracket as the TOS cast when they bid their farewells to the series in STVI!
In December 1991 they were as follows:
William Shatner 60
Leonard Nimoy 60
DeForest Kelley 70
James Doohan 70
Walter Koenig 55
Nichelle Nichols 59
George Takei 54
The TNG cast are now:
Patrick Stewart 68
Brent Spiner 60
Gates McFadden 60
Jonathan Frakes 56
Michael Dorn 56
Marina Sirtis 54
LeVar Burton 52
Realistically, that’s too old for Patrick Stewart to play a major action role (the insurers alone would forbid it!) and ridiculously old for Brent Spiner to be an android unless they do a Jar Jar Binks on him! The rest of the cast are a bit younger, but there seems to be something wrong when the ‘next generation’ of characters are now older than their forebears.
Thing is, TNG did sail off into the sunset in ‘All Good Things . . .’ meaning everything else was a bit of a pointless add-on!
Sorry, this might not go down well in some quarters but not all Trek is created equal.
Picard: okay, but no Capt. Kirk.
Riker: never quite lived up to his potential. Waited seven seasons for more.
Troi: Bartender was a better counselor. Often sensed anger after Enterprise received enemy fire.
Data: Most human character was a robot (scary), and had a cat.
Geordi: Wore a hair clip for glasses. Should have fixed that chronic warp core problem.
Worf: Sell out, House Klingon. Better on DS9 with a better haircut.
Enterprise D: Just plain silly looking.
Well i think they should stop this shit and go with tng again star trek series based on titan as well base it right after nemesis just when rikers leaving the enterprise q appears riker asks what do you want and like they do a 3 years after kind of shit for the series