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Star Trek Trailer #3: Shot-By-Shot Analysis March 8, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Spoilers,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

The new Star Trek trailer is a big hit with fans and that mainstream audience. There is a lot to take in with the rapid succession of shots, so like we have done with past trailers, TrekMovie goes through and pauses each moment with our shot-by-shot analysis. Find out just what is going on below [Spoilers].  

 

Inside Star Trek’s Third Trailer
The following analysis is based on previous reporting and other TrekMovie sourcing. Shots are presented in the same order they appear in the trailer. In some cases we have added an extra ‘zoom’ detail to point out some interesting little nuggets.

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James T. Kirk (Chris Pine) rides bike to Riverside Shipyards (after bar fight)


Kirk gets into fight in Iowa bar



After breaking up fight Capt. Pike (Bruce Greenwood) lectures Kirk about his father and about going to Starfleet Academy


USS Kelvin fights Nero’s Narada


ZOOM: Note Kelvin’s Phasers and Pulse canons


James T. Kirk’s father, George Kirk (Chris Hemsworth), on Kelvin as "captain for 12 minutes:"


Doctor (Sonita Henry – face not shown) hands newborn baby James T. Kirk to Winona Kirk (Jennifer Morrison) on medical shuttle escaping battle between Kelvin and Narada


James T. Kirk arrives Riverside Shipyards — sees USS Enterprise under construction


Shuttles leave Starfleet Academy in San Francisco — headed to USS Enterprise in orbit


Assembly at Starfleet Academy


ZOOM: Uhura (Zoe Saldana), Chekov (Anton Yelchin) and McCoy (Karl Urban) spotted in crowd



Spock (Zachary Quinto) briefs Kirk and Academy class (probably on Kobayashi Maru simulation)


Kirk, Sulu  (John Cho) and Chief Engineer Olsen (Greg Ellis) jump out of shuttle above Vulcan headed towards Narada drilling rig (at end of cable)


Kirk has a hard landing on drilling rig


Narada travels through time


Eric Bana as Nero on bridge of Narada


Narada’s drilling rig fires on San Francisco Bay


A planet implodes (Vulcan? Romulus? Earth? Other?…no spoilers on this one)


Spock in command of the Enterprise during Nero’s attack on Vulcan


Dr. McCoy notes that Enterprise has no Captain (after Pike has been captured by Nero and Spock has been removed from command)



Kirk takes command of the USS Enterprise after returning from Delta Vega


ZOOM: Note interesting Alien in background (also seen in Academy scene above) and Scotty hidden behind Sulu




Kirk gets his first look at Delta Vega


Cadets McCoy and Kirk in Shuttle


USS Enterprise heads towards Narada



Spock’s ‘Jellyfish’ ship heads for impact with Narada


Winona Kirk during Kirk’s birth (Kelvin Yu as Starfleet Medical Tech in background)


Spock gives Uhura a hug


Kirk hangs on drilling platform above Vulcan


Amanda Grayson (Winona Ryder) witnesses Narada attack on Vulcan



Kirk and Spock share a moment as ship heads to Vulcan


Sulu punches it



USS Enterprise warps to Vulcan


Kirk and Sulu fight Romulans on drilling rig above Vulcan


Sulu removes hood — now it’s personal


Sulu takes on Romulan with his folding katana


Kirk tries to rescue Sulu after he falls off platform (although neither have chutes and transporters aren’t working…yet)


Kirk crawls out of escape pod on Delta Vega after being ejected from Enterprise by Spock


Nero reveals he knows about Kirk’s backstory (from his future ‘other life’)


COMIC TIE-IN: Nero researches Kirk’s history in "Countdown" Star Trek movie prequel comic



Kirk runs from one Delta Vega monster…only to have another bigger monster eat the first one



Kirk waves hi to Uhura on shuttle headed to Academy (after meeting her in bar night before)


Scotty (Simon Pegg) arrives on Enterprise from Delta Vega



USS Enterprise navigates debris field in orbit around Vulcan


DETAIL ZOOM: Dead body floats by sun



Enterprise arrives at Vulcan


Nero spits out order to "fire everything"



Narada hits Enterprise with missile


George Kirk on bridge of USS Kelvin — his 12 minutes as Captain come to a fiery end


Kirk at Academy gets busy with Orion (Rachel Nichols)


Spock beams down to Vulcan to save parents and Vulcan council


Kirk looks into awaiting arrival of Enterprise at Vulcan


Narada missile heads towards USS Kelvin

 

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Much of the above analysis is based on scenes in the trailer that were also shown during the 20-minute press preview held last Fall. For more on that see TrekMovie full analysis.

 

Comments

1. Locutus of Alberni - March 8, 2009

This movie is going to be great. The trailers have been exciting, and this one is incredible.

2. cd - March 8, 2009

I really hope Vulcan doesn’t get destroyed.

3. S. John Ross - March 8, 2009

The zoom I’d most like to see (sadly, far beyond the resolution available) is what tracks are available on that jukebox in the bar. Maybe we’ll see that in some “Art of Star Trek” type guide showing off the set details :)

And even after this level of dissection, I’m still happy to say: I like this trailer. And what a relief that is.

4. Aaron - March 8, 2009

Thanks for not spoiling the planet destruction shot :) (I really didn’t want to know which planet was being eaten!)

5. Alex Rosenzweig - March 8, 2009

Pretty stuff! But one thing’s been niggling at the back of my mind. Maybe Bob Orci could explain?

How does the Enterprise have the time to get to a planet as far out on the frontier as Delta Vega when the crisis is happening within 20 light-years of Earth? Seems like a really long trip just to dump off a troublesome crewmember. Or am I missing something here?

6. Aaron - March 8, 2009

In shot 22 next to Scotty in the background there appears to be someone under guard with his hands up…who is that?

7. Josh - March 8, 2009

Is it that you don’t HAVE any spoilers on the imploding planet or just don’t want to share them? lol.

Is it possible that the assembly scene at the academy is also at the end of the movie, if Kirk and Spock go their separate ways (if Kirk actually goes serve on a couple other ships before returning to the Enterprise as captain)?

8. Devon - March 8, 2009

#6 – The guy with his hands up *is* Scotty.

9. Open Maw Productions - March 8, 2009

Great Analysis. I didnt notice that dead body in the debris field. Which is something considering I watched the trailer like 50000000000 times.

10. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - March 8, 2009

Wow. keeps making me wanting to see it more and more. Can’t wait to see hoe Kirk got away with reprogramming the simulation so he could rescue the ship. To see the look on all the cadets faces as he gets his commendation for doing so. Should be fun.

11. Josh - March 8, 2009

9 – I’m surprised he didn’t point out the name “Lowe” on the destroyed saucer that the Enterprise passes

12. Mike T - March 8, 2009

This will ROCK!!!!!!!!

13. SirMartman - March 8, 2009

Very Cool !

:o)

14. Eli1477 - March 8, 2009

Checkov and McCoy cadets the same time Kirk is? BS.

15. BonesCLCW - March 8, 2009

Im so excited!

16. Eli1477 - March 8, 2009

Also, It takes Kirk one night to both decide to go and then get into the Academy? Did it take Wesley Crusher 3 attempts in 4 years to finally go? Wow, the standards certainly changed in 100 years. A product of the alternative universe perhaps?

17. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - March 8, 2009

#16. I do agree. But I think not everythig is at it seems. I Believe that we will see some different things in the movie. different timelines and everything. Who knows. We could see Daniels from the 30th century come in and help correct things. But we will see.

18. Enterprise - March 8, 2009

Who knew Iowa Bars were so rowdy?

19. ShawnP - March 8, 2009

14. 16. Eli1477

I don’t recall exactly, but I remember someone intimating that McCoy entered Starfleet already as a doctor.

Plus, this is essentially the same Kirk, presumably with the same prowess as the one in the prime timeline. It’s just that Nero’s time-traveling shenanigans have messed with his back story a bit. I think…

And you just compared Wesley Crusher with Kirk. I think most people would say there’s no comparison there. :)

20. Smitty™ - March 9, 2009

I’m curious about the Spock/Uhura hug.

Is it a happy hug she gives as a sign of relief and Spock’s nonplussed because he’s being Vulcan.

Or is it a consoling from Uhura and Spock is stunned because something terrible has happened. You know, don’t wish to spoil it.

-cs™

21. Commodore Redshirt - March 9, 2009

I’m so excited by this movie that I may not sleep for the next two months!
I feel like it’s gonna be good.
Also, to all the people who are still upset by the direction the story seems to have taken and the adherence to canon (or lack thereof) this film seems to be closer to the spirit of TOS than TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT ever was. (In my humble opinion)

59 days!
STAR TREK LIVES!

22. Spock's Brain - March 9, 2009

16. Eli1477 – March 8, 2009
“Also, It takes Kirk one night to both decide to go and then get into the Academy? Did it take Wesley Crusher 3 attempts in 4 years to finally go?”

I knew James T. Kirk, Wesley Crusher is no James T. Kirk.

23. 11 - March 9, 2009

Did anyone happen to notice what looks like an old school communicator on George Kirk’s belt? Also, is he kneeling in the chair?

24. cloudynow - March 9, 2009

So… Older Spock… Dies?

25. Mr Lirpa - March 9, 2009

Got to say that Eric Bana is looking the part. He looks absolutely mental. I’m very much looking forward to his performance.

26. cd - March 9, 2009

#14 – I could buy McCoy and Kirk at the Academy at the same time: it would make sense McCoy joining later in life, after being a doctor for a while. But I have problems with Chekov being there at the same time. Chekov is 12-13 years younger than Kirk. I assume that in this timeline, Kirk may not have joined StarFleet at the same time as he did in the Prime timeline, but Kirk didn’t wait around 12-13 years before he joined StarFleet. Even if he was in his 4th year and Chekov was in his 1st, that is still too much of a stretch. That seems to make Chekov much older in this timeline.
I realize this is a reboot, but in this case the reboot is IN continuity in the form of the timeline being altered, so the pre-existing conditions apply. I am assuming that the people in this timeline, specifically Chekov, are the same people as in the Prime timeline, and have the same ages as in the Prime timeline. Or, is this a different Pavel Chekov, one who is older, and not the same person at all?

27. Julie - March 9, 2009

Wow… The ship that George Kirk is commanding looks really TOS-y… nice touch…

28. Rainbucket - March 9, 2009

I reiterate my crackpot theory that the altered timeline started by the Kelvin’s destruction caused Chekov to be born sooner, which is why he’s older in this film.

Why not? It could work for anyone younger than Kirk. In fact maybe Sulu was born later than before too!

29. Rainbucket - March 9, 2009

Just to elaborate, since people are bringing up Chekov’s age:

1. Chekov’s parents served on the Kelvin
2. In the original timeline, they didn’t have him till many years later
3. In the altered timeline, they conceived Chekov soon after surviving the Kelvin’s destruction

So in the altered timeline Chekov is closer to Kirk’s age. That’s my crackpot theory.

30. Devon Richards - March 9, 2009

Just in case anyone didn’t know –
The official movie website has a piece of Michael Giacchino’s music for the movie on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skip past the trailer, and wait. You’ll be led down the corridor as usual, and when you come to a stop, a few minutes of the “Star Trek” score plays.

I think it sounds terrific.

31. King Of All Blacks - March 9, 2009

LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!

“fire everything!!”

32. Butters - March 9, 2009

It has been bothering me that George Kirk is up on his knees in that shot. It looks like a very unsafe way to sit during turbulence. :)

I’m glad that JJ Abrams decided to include aliens that look like they could conceivably be aliens, not humans with 30 different types of ridges on their nose/forehead.

Also, I’m fairly sure in the wide shot of the cadets at the Academy, that’s Sulu standing between Uhura and Chekov.

33. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

As for the Chekov thing, it’s obvious that *this* Chekov is not 12 years than Kirk. Having to tell an epic “TOS beginning” story requires all the characters together on the bridge, and this change in age is obviously required. Call it artistic requirement. It’s not such a big issue, in my opinion.

34. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

12 years *younger* than Kirk, in my last post.

35. Flake - March 9, 2009

NOTE: The corpse in the debris field is infact Shatners cameo.

36. Valar1 - March 9, 2009

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About Kirk deciding to go to Starfleet and the next day getting in: one of these websites had a detailed report of the 20 min reel presentation given to journalists. They were given the whole scene where Pike convinces Kirk to enlist. Pike specifically says to him something about Kirk having aced all the entrance exams, and then that spiel about his dad saving 800 lives and challenging him to do better.

37. Valar1 - March 9, 2009

Continued from above- I forgot to add, apparently Kirk aced the exams but doesn’t really care if he gets in or not, he’s kinda portrayed as aimless and directionless, until Pike gives him the pep talk. Also, I don’t know if I’m remembering this point correctly or it’s my imagination, but I think one of those 800 lives was Pike himself.

38. Shat Hands - March 9, 2009

As always the Trekmovie.com crew give us more that we deserve!

I am biased but I have to say…… the finest crew on the net!

If only everything else in life was so satisfying

Much love

39. S. John Ross - March 9, 2009

#32: I’m happy about the aliens too. That’s one of those details that has always obviously been a budget issue; trying to canonize latex forehead applications as a “rule” of the Trek universe has never washed with me (especially given how much of a fan I am of the animated eps).

And also yeah to George Kirk kneeling in the captain’s seat :) But I do like how they gave his uniform “old guy” pants (belt at the navel level, and can probably be hiked up to the nipples if you want to) because it gives him a very old-school, even pre-TOS vibe (something Enterprise never quite managed, IMO).

40. Michael Broadhead - March 9, 2009

Nice article. I never noticed the other Enterprise crew members in the crowd at the Academy.

If anyone wants more screencaps, you can head here:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=288

41. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

#39 “And also yeah to George Kirk kneeling in the captain’s seat ”

I don’t think he’s kneeling. In my opinion he is simply pushed away from the captain’s seat by a huge explosion.

42. RudiR. - March 9, 2009

#23. NO, George Kirk is not keeing on the chair. He is blown forward from his chair thrue the explosion in the background…

43. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 9, 2009

I don’t care about the naysayers, the Enterprise looks gorgeous in these shots….

And George Kirk is in deep doo-doo — that’s a good thing, too, because most of the time on Star Trek things don’t look dire enough (blowing up the bridge stations is not enough).

44. Will_H - March 9, 2009

I still fail to see how time travel could make it so the enterprise goes from being built in San Fransisco ship yards in orbit of earth to on earth in Iowa…but I dont think there is any logical explanation for that. Like I can accept that now Kirk is born in space and not Iowa, that’s within reason, but not the Enterprise. The rest of the stuff is weird to, like that it seems like everyone starts out at the accademy at the same time yet there ends up such a big gap in ranks in not too much time. It worries me, but I’ll wait to pass final judgment until I see the movie.

45. LoyalStarTrekFan - March 9, 2009

2, agreed. The planet implosion graphics are pretty amazing though.

Thanks to TrekMovie for the “shot-by-shot analysis” of the new trailer. No new information but it’s much appreciated. I am looking forward to the new film and it will hopefully usher in a new, exciting, and excellent era of Trek.

46. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

#44

As someone pointed out in another thread, it seems that Starfleet is a highly meritocratic organization. If you are good, you climb the chain of command faster than nowadays military corps.

47. LoyalStarTrekFan - March 9, 2009

43, you are quite correct about the battle damage in Star Trek especially in TOS and TNG. They got much better in DS9 and VOY but never quite got there other than in “Year of Hell”. However, in ENT: “Azati Prime” they nailed it and it looked like the Enterprise crew were indeed in serious trouble.

48. Nathaniel Shrike - March 9, 2009

Yeah, obviously George Kirk isn’t sitting on his knees on the bridge of a ship about to be destroyed. He’s being thrown. End of story. I think the movie is going to be awesome. I WANT it to be awesome. I’m pretty sure that’s Romulus imploding. It said earlier that Romulus gets destroyed and that’s why Nero goes all crazy.

49. Mee - March 9, 2009

Why does the George Kirk exploding carton character look so cartoonish?? It doesnt make sense…

50. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

I’m wondering about the cast of a possible new TV series. Paramount is surely thinking about it, to take advantage of the new vibe and bring TOS back (I don’t see the point in a new post-TNG Bermanesque setting). But I don’t think that Pegg-Urban-Quinto-Pine will be available for a TV show. New recast?

51. SilverExpress57 - March 9, 2009

Things I’ve noticed…

Sulu is also in that shot at the academy.

Spock’s Jellyfish looking Time Ship is reminiscent of that under water vehicle from Star Wars Episode 1.

Also reminiscent of SW ep1… The big animal chasing Kirk on Delta Vega gets swallowed by an even bigger animal… That is also from that same underwater sequence from SW ep1.

Why are a lot of the Enterprise and Kelvin shots upside down? Was that to make it seem as though we are getting even more new shots in this trailer?

52. S. John Ross - March 9, 2009

#50: Yeah, I wonder about that, too … If there’s no new TV series, then the film is just a fun and momentary bit of tie-in thrill, but it’d be unlikely to nail this cast down for a series, so I figure the best we can hope for is either a recast of the recast, or a TV series focused elsewhere in the same timeline, allowing the movie crew their adventures and giving us a fresh ship to look into.

#51: I was thinking the same thing about the “big fish eating little fish” gag being repeated here. I mean, sure, borrow from Star Wars now and then, but borrow from the GOOD ones, please, not the frickin’ prequels :)

53. Kirk, James T. - March 9, 2009

Fantastic trailer – does anyone know if the music is music from the film or is it from another film – it sounds really really good.

54. Captain Quail Hunter - March 9, 2009

If you look at the closeup picture of Kirk s face at the acadamy you can also see Capt Pike sitting at the bottom lower right in his officers uniform.

55. Exocomp 4 - March 9, 2009

George Kirk is NOT being blown into a kneeling position due to the explosions…it’s because his pants are so darned uncomfortable! Who’d try to sit down wearing those things!? :-O

56. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

I find it incredible how (SOME) folks would rather spend time picking things appart… rather than enjoying a piece of ENTERTAINMENT!

Get a life.

Allow yourself to enjoy this film!.. or just don’t go and see it!

57. Captain John C Baron - March 9, 2009

I like the trailer, like it a lot. Saw it at a packed showing of Watchmen at a cinema in Leeds (UK) last night. Can’t wait for the film. It was kinda odd to see ‘other’ actors playing characters I’ve loved for so many years, but I’m sure I’ll get over it!.
It was also interesting to see how that trailer compared to the ones for Terminator and Wolverine. Those trailers looked as if they were portraying much meatier (edgier?) movies – when the old Terminator music played I got goosebumps, by comparision the Trek trailer just didn’t do that for me at any stage. I dunno, I’m not sure the pre-publicity guys have got it right. Here in England, I don’ t think the mainstream audience still really knows they’ve got a big-budget, fresh and reinvigorated franchise here – there’s a lot of work to be done in the next couple of months if the film is to find the mainstream summer audience it needs.

58. Johnny - March 9, 2009

#51Also reminiscent of SW ep1… The big animal chasing Kirk on Delta Vega gets swallowed by an even bigger animal… That is also from that same underwater sequence from SW ep1.

Me too.

Regarding how time travel works in this movie. I just hope it is strange space phenomenon and not some new tech that Nero uses.

59. Databrain - March 9, 2009

I don’t like the way Kirk sounds when he says ‘yea we do’. It sounds dopey in my opinion, kind of hickish even. Sluggish. I would imagine Kirk as being sharper when he was younger, not more sluggish sounding.

60. Databrain - March 9, 2009

I also take issue with the fact that this trailer markets this film as ‘the beginning’ when obviously it is an alternate beginning. In which case they should have marketed it as ‘the new beginning’. But I guess that doesn’t sound as cool.

61. Explorer - March 9, 2009

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I think that by looking carefully at the markings of the destroyed saucer in two different scenes, the name of that ship could be the ‘USS MAYFLOWER’. There is probably an ‘F’ before and an ‘R’ after ‘LOWE’.

I guess we will have to wait to see the movie, unless someone else as another suggestion.

62. Databrain - March 9, 2009

My guess at why the ship is being built at the riverside shipyards in this alternate time-line version is to ‘honour’ kirks deceased father. Just a sloppy guess, but I guess it’s in line with this seemingly sloppy film.

63. Paul B. - March 9, 2009

30. Devon Richards – March 9, 2009
Just in case anyone didn’t know –
The official movie website has a piece of Michael Giacchino’s music for the movie on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
******

How do you know that’s the movie’s score and not just more random music? I don’t hear anything “Trek” sounding in it–it could as easily be from “Last of the Mohicans” or some other film.

Not saying you’re wrong, but questioning the info–the music’s not bad, but it’s not necessarily the “Trek” score.

64. Databrain - March 9, 2009

56:

Sorry but startrek changed my life when I was a child. I grew up on the next generation, its social messages of tolerance and the necessity of change. Trek was always more than a ‘piece of entertainment’ which is why it garnered so many die hards who were into its philosophy. Obviously it is a different entity than batman or transformers or whatever the superhero of the week is. There are plenty of things out there that are merely a ‘piece of entertainment’. Why is it so important to you that startrek also be such? Why is it so important for people to undermine its central message and equate it with being in the same boat as everything else? It isn’t, it never was and never will be. If that were the case then this argument would not continue to persist. People do not argue as to whether or not transformers is a ‘piece of entertainment’. Everyone knows it is nothing more. Anything with treks name on it that is like everything else is not genuine trek.

65. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

Databrain, (64)

yet again you seem to take this “High ground” of someone who knows Trek better than anyone else.. sorry but you don’t.

I am 36, have loved all Trek since I was a kid, having watched it with a mum and and a grandmother who both loved TOS.

For me Trek is about far more than just a “good yarn”, it means far more than that to me. But what I, and many others are trying to say is.. give this a chance to prove itself. For me, it really does in this trailer.. and for me, comments like yours, are just “pick, pick, picking” away… honestly, if you don’t like the look of this film, then stay away from anything to do with it.. I don’t get it…. this site is “trekmovie.com”. (maybe there is a hint there in the title).. so why, frequent here, why look at the trailers etc, if it’s only to then comment on how much you think it is wrong.

I have sat and watched this trailer over and over, and each time it brings a lump to the throat, BECAUSE I think it is Trek, and I love how it is being brought back… we all have an opinion.. but for gods sake Data, why keep trying to bring it down for everyone else… grow up, or shift. I’m sorry my friend, but you try to act very much as if you “get” me, or the others who like the look of this film, and as if “only you” know true trek. How incredibly arrogant you truely are.. surely NOT a trait you “learnt” from Trek. For me, Trek is more means more to me than any other piece of tv or film, becasue of the sentiment in it… but I also “allow” it to entertain me, while also enjoying it for being that bit deeper… all I am saying it.. ALLOW it a chance. To be frank, at a point you have to give new things a chance… or maybe you never “learnt” that from Trek.

66. Mav' - March 9, 2009

Just to let you know, in the French version of this trailer, there is one scene that is not present in the US version. This scene features Uhura and Kirk. Uhura says to Kirk that she hopes he knows what he is doing when taking command of the big E. Kirk answers by saying that he hopes so.

Anyways, so looking forward for the film.

67. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

Cheers Mav, yes, this scene also appears in the UK version.

68. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

#67 “Cheers Mav, yes, this scene also appears in the UK version.”

And in the Italian version, too.

69. Mr Lirpa - March 9, 2009

#65 hear, hear!

70. Kirkokwannabe - March 9, 2009

#354

Sorry, that’s not him, even after “enbiggin” it.

71. Databrain - March 9, 2009

65:

Make up your mind, if you truly believe your own dissertation then why do you begrudgingly and hastily label trek a mere ‘piece of entertainment’ and then noting that the die hards need to ‘calm down’? Do you have cognitive dissonance? Are you not sure if you want treks philosophy to succeed in every day life or whether you want treks message to be diminished in the sea of banal action movie make overs that are becoming the norm for everything else? You might be a few years older than me but I never considered age the realm of ultimate wisdom as there are far too many contradictory older people in the world. Point of fact, people who are pointing out possible flaws, contradictions and dislikes love trek just as much as anyone else. We are acting as the soothsayers of the roddenberry vision. Trying to make sure the voice of reason, that is, the voice of the original roddenberry vision, continues to flourish into the future generations and that treks philosophy actually gets adopted into every day life. I mean think, we finally have a ‘trek president’ in Obama. What more can we do and what other message can be brought forth if the vision remains intact? And you are playing semantical games by equating ‘allowing it to entertain’ someone with said people keeping their mouths shut. Nice way to paint an attempt at quieting people with a general, tired sentiment. Trek ‘entertains’ me because of the very thing that keeps me arguing with people about how important its vision is. That is its central message of social change, humanistic evolution and tolerance. Being entertained by this message does not require shutting up, it actually entails the complete opposite reaction. I.E showing ones conversational, and if need be, argumentative side. There is absolutely nothing you can do about that.

72. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

Please guys, stop arguing. We have come through this discussions over and over and over again. Everyone has an opinion. Someone is going to accept changes, someone is not. Life goes on.

73. King Of All Blacks - March 9, 2009

The music from the trailer is by the company http://www.TwoStepsFromHell.com

they produce alot of trailer & commercial music.

they’ve done trailer music for The Dark Knight, Wall•E, The Incredible Hulk, Twilight, and many more.

on their website it says they also did the music for Star Trek trailer #3.

74. Databrain - March 9, 2009

72:

What you are calling ‘change’ some of us refer to as regression. What some refer to as evolution other’s equate to entropy. Change does not mean a steady upward climb. It can mean a precipitous fall into oblivion as well. If the work of Carl Jung was not translated by the best authors then his work would not have been properly taken in by english and american students. If it was translated to be more accessible then it would be pointless. because the theories and messages contained in his work necessitate a very inaccessible form of writing. Same premise here. Always will be.

75. King Of All Blacks - March 9, 2009

Balls! that shouldve been “Star Trek trailer #2.” at the end of my previous post.

76. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

Ahhh Databrain,

Yep.. wow… you really are a god amongst men.. not only do you know Trek better than me or anyone else.. but… jeeeez, you actualy know me, what I think and what I mean better than I do myself…

Funny, some of the the things I took from Trek was that “change happens, and is sometimes needed to keep an ideal alive”.. and that “infinite diversity can co-exist”… I also learnt that confrontation isn’t always needed in a situation, but sensible (and sometimes jovial) conversation, and that a want to accept, can sometimes be built from a want to listen.

Thanks Databrain, for showing me the error of my ways.. you are indeed a force of nature and of everything people like me just don’t get… as you so rightly say a force that “There is absolutely nothing you can do about”…….. Shame.

77. Mav' - March 9, 2009

@ 67 & 68

So, it seems it’s the european version that has this extra scene …

78. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

#72.

Couldn’t agree more.. and of the sake of not of all our sanity, I really can’t be bothered to keep on trying to talk sense to Databrain… after all, this is (in his world) his site, depsite him not liking anything about the film.. so who am I (or we) to say anything he may not like.

Bless him… let’s see who he begs to differ with him next.. and who ever you are… good luck!

79. Databrain - March 9, 2009

76:

There is absolutely nothing I can do about what you say or think either. Why would I proceed to even attempt to control you by quieting your voice? When have any of the die hard trekkies once attempted to quiet those, such as yourself, who feel obliged to attempt to quiet us? You actually sit there and ask us to stop coming to this site. Have I or any other roddenberry visionists who have pointed out possible flaws or contradictions in this film EVER asked you or anyone else here to stop visiting the site or to stop speaking their minds? I think we both know the answer to that, and that is the essential difference between us.

80. Shaun "I am the music man" Brown - March 9, 2009

#53 – The music from the trailer, sadly, isn’t from the new film. Its a piece of music called ‘Freedom Fighters’ released by a company/ group called Two Steps From Hell…they compose and deal with music specifically for trailers and the entertainment industry and sadly, none of their music is available through official means, however if you wanted to go all Section 31 about it, i’m sure you could find it somewhere!

And just in case anyone wants to know the music form Trailer #2 is also by Two Steps From Hell and is called “Down With The Enterprise”

81. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

#79.

Thanks Data for pointing that all out.. wow.. you have truely opened my eyes to myself.. You are a giant amongst us sir.

82. Databrain - March 9, 2009

I want to add that trek had a non-exlusionary message too that is not being embraced by many enthusiasts of this new film as there seems to be repeated attempts at trying to get many trekkies to stop visiting this site. If this film excites you as to its content of positivism and its loyalty to roddenberries philosophy, why are you not more tolerant of dissent? This question is for everyone.

83. Tarrax - March 9, 2009

71. Databrain – Sooo, you don’t like the trailer?

84. rumpcuz - March 9, 2009

#30: that music is totally MEH. Awfully generic and sad

85. Paul B. - March 9, 2009

(I’ll dive into the “give Databrain a clue” arguments…just for fun while my coffee brews.)

64. Databrain – March 9, 2009
“Sorry but startrek changed my life when I was a child. I grew up on the next generation, its social messages of tolerance and the necessity of change.”

Trek changed many of our lives as kids. For me, it was TOS; this meant that when TNG premiered, fans of my age had to be open to “the necessity of change.” Now it’s YOUR turn to be open to change.

“Trek was always more than a ‘piece of entertainment’ … Why is it so important to you that startrek also be such?”

Geoffers simply pointed out that it IS a piece of entertainment, and yes, Star Trek was ALWAYS a “piece of entertainment.” Sure, it had deeper ideas and morals and such, but it was an action/adventure show from the beginning. It’s possible to be “entertainment” and filled with “social messages” at the same time. That’s what Trek has always been.

“Why is it so important for people to undermine its central message and equate it with being in the same boat as everything else?”

Who is undermining Trek’s central message, and how? This is a baseless comment; are you suggesting that having new actors is undermining the message? Or is it the new designs? Or are you suggesting that Trek’s message is undermined by the action aspects of the film? Sorry, but there is NO EVIDENCE that this film undermines Trek’s message–period. Maybe it does, but we haven’t seen that yet. (True, it appears to undermine the original backstories, but that’s not the same as “central message.)

Besides, what is Trek’s “central message” anyhow? Please, enlighten us. I thought the central message was, “Hey, here’s an action-adventure show about exploring strange new worlds!” (Kirk says so at the beginning of every episode–in more flowery language, of course.) Are you suggesting that there is A central message? Just one? What is it? And just how is it being undermined?

“Anything with treks name on it that is like everything else is not genuine trek.”

Well, many of us TOS fans never came to accept TNG as “genuine trek,” but does that mean that it’s not? Personally, I think the name “Star Trek” should only be used for shows about the Enterprise–after all, that’s what the opening says, “These are the voyages of the STARSHIP ENTERPRISE…” By my thinking, DS9 and Voyager should never have been called “Star Trek”–but does that make me right? Legions of fans love those shows as part of Trek, so my personal definition of “genuine trek” doesn’t matter–and neither does yours, Databrain.

For me, Star Trek stopped by “genuine” Trek back in 1986; after that year, Trek became TNG and bad movies (and I include the oh-so-loved crapfest “ST6″). I honestly cannot stand to watch 99% of TNG (though “Yesterday’s Enterprise” is one of the best hours of Trek ever!) because it never felt like Trek to me. For me, “genuine” Trek ended with the end of “ST4″–the crew coming “home” to the Enterprise-A. Everything after has been a disappointment to me.

But instead of proclaiming myself the “soothsayer of Roddenberry’s vision” (wrong word, BTW–a soothsayer tells the future. Do you mean that we’re predicting his vision? Or do you mean we are guardians of his vision? If you’re going to appoint yourself grand-high-mucketymuck, you better pick the right word)… but I digress–

Instead of proclaiming myself a defender of Trek, I’ve had to accept that in REALITY (try it, you’ll like it), Star Trek has forever changed from what I knew as a kid. That’s just like, kiddo, and it’s your turn to accept that Trek has changed. Or you can keep proclaiming yourself “soothsayer” and such nonsense, while the rest of us open our minds and give THIS new version of Trek the same benefit of a doubt that TNG received.

Just think: if fans hadn’t been willing to accept the changes that TNG brought to Trek, you wouldn’t have had that show to grow up on. Hmm…

86. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

Donations to the “Church of Databrain” are all gladly appreciated….

#82 – As the (is man big enough word to use?) says, we must all open our hearts and question just why…. WHY aren’t we as great as this man clearly is….. We are brothers, clearly corrupt in our appreciation of Trek, and there can only be one “TRUE” way to the light…. the light hat is… Databrain..

Ahem…

87. Daoud - March 9, 2009

#82 I like roddenberries. They’re crunchy. And very exlusionary.

88. Paul B. - March 9, 2009

79. “roddenberry visionists”

Really, Databrain? “Roddenberry visionists?” Is this a religion? How does one become an RV?

Stop appointing yourself as protector of Roddenberry’s vision. First, his “vision” was a collaborative creation involving producers, writers, actors, designers, directors… It was never just HIS vision.

Second, did you use “roddenberry visionists” seriously? I mean…come on, man, don’t you see how obsessive that sounds? If you really think of yourself as a “roddenberry visionist,” you should seek help. That’s an obsession based on a TV SHOW.

As for your comments about dissent: dissent is fine, great even. But you aren’t dissenting; you are lecturing, preaching, and appointing yourself to some grand Trek Protector status that is simply laughable.

Dissent: ok. Delusions of grandeur: not so much.

89. David - March 9, 2009

I was wondering how 800 people could fit on the kelvin, unless they were rescuing people from somthing. A galaxy class only carried a 1000 or so people.

In any case looking at the size of the enterprise compared to the kelvin, the kelvin is quite a size, even the saucer is bigger than enterprise’s.

90. Admiral Kent - March 9, 2009

That alien in the background on the bridge is giving me serious creeps.

91. Holger - March 9, 2009

Thanks for this pic-by-pic analysis! Great!

Speculation: Maybe they have pulled the old causal-loop time-travel again. Nero’s actions in the past are what eventually leads to the destruction of Romulus…

92. J@key - March 9, 2009

That saucer debris looks like a galaxy class

93. ProperTrekkieUK - March 9, 2009

I noticed that the alien in the background of the bridge (and seen in the Academy, along with two other alien species…one looking like a cross between a Cardassian and a Jem’Haddar) is obviously a woman (facial features, body curves etc.) but is wearing the male uniform (no misogynistic short skirt!)!

Also…why in the early series of TNG did men wear the short skirt suits too!? Twas weeeeeeeeeeeeeird!!

94. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

#85 Paul. B.

Thankyou for a great, balanced post, where you are at is what I was trying to put over.

#Databrain,

I’ll be honest, when I first saw TNG, I saw it as “just another sci-fi, taking the Trek name”, purely becasue I had grown up with knowing and loving TOS… However… I gave it a go, and realised (for me, but that don’t mean it had to be that way for everyone), that “FOR ME”.. it did have that trek feel, and I ended up liking it… but that only came about becasue I gave it a chance…. the same can be said with every other itteration of Trek (although, shock horror, I loved ENTERPRISE from day one). And in short… Databrain, I wasn’t launching any attack on you, or any other die had fan (which, incidently I would call myself)… just that, I know from experiance, giving something a chance, lead to me loving something, that if I’d simply written off as “not being true”, I would have missed out on…

Let’s face it… we are all big enough to say that some bits of Trek aint as good as we would like them to be.. but for me, Trek is like an old friend.. yes, you know they have their faults, and sometimes you may fall out… but at the end of the day you have your reasons why you remain good mates, for all their warts an all. And sometimes, that means giving them a chance to prove their intentions, when they may do something, which, at first site you don’t like..

But then, isn’t that how it is with an “old friend”… you give them chances to prove themselves… you don’t judge them or condem them before they have a chance to show you their hand? even when it seems they may have wronged you….

95. Lorebrain - March 9, 2009

I think Databrain has a tiny willy and lives with his mummy. He also has a self dissasociation disorder and an inability to converse with people in an accepable manner. Probably borderline aspergers. Fact of the matter is it is fiction. Nothing more, nothing less. Get over yourself and your vision of a eutopia that never has and never can exist. Try enjoying life more and get a hooker.

96. Jim Smith - March 9, 2009

Great, great, heart-pumping trailer.

Is it possible that, for Nero, the battle against the Kelvin takes place AFTER the rest of the film? Thus by ”winning” in the present Jim Kirk can save himself a lot of past pain and negate the changes to the time line, by making sure that Nero doesn’t arrive there? Preserving the future by saving the present and changing the past?

97. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

#95 Lorebrain

PMSL…. lol…

#96 Jim Smith – what a thought! wow… see, that’s the kind of thinking and chat that this site is great for…fans chatting, and speculating.. and enjoying our shared “hobby”… without having a need to rip it appart.

98. Captain Roy Mustang - March 9, 2009

U think u kno the story but u kno how it ends to get the heart of the story u have to go bakc to the beginning got tht from the turdors
This movie will rock in theaters when it comes out

99. Kirk, James T. - March 9, 2009

72, completely agree with that statement.

Databrain, What i think many here find annoying is that sure, you are completely welcome to your opinion of this movie, thats fine, everyone has different opinions but it’s the way people go on and on and then on some more about what it is they don’t like about this movie.

I mean come on! don’t you guys have anything better to do than comment on a film you don’t care about. Yes it’s Star Trek – yes we ALL care about Star Trek but there’s over 40 years worth of Star Trek at your finger tips – why not go and watch some of that instead of moaning about something you don’t like?

100. Databrain - March 9, 2009

95:

I guarantee you everything you just accused me of being, you, in fact, are more likely of being.

101. jw wright - March 9, 2009

mccoy, chekov, kirk and uhura all from the same graduating class?

is this a joke?

why isnt kirks bike using suspensor technology, like the police-droid that stopped him a decade earlier?

the whole ‘alternate reality’ thing is a real let down, why not make the whole movie a dream sequence?

it would be just as valid, star trek has been completely whored out.

102. Databrain - March 9, 2009

99:

I guarantee you you spend alot more time on this site than I do. But being a devout roddenberry visionist compels me to attempt to converse in favour of his original philosophy even when interspersed within a ostensibly action oriented reboot film, and the questionable way that is brought about. But that said, I see very little of you enthusiasts of this new film exercising the kind of tolerance Roddenberry promoted in the original series and the next generation. Which means the question comes back to why is it so important for you to 1-Render trek mere entertainment in your statements about it (again, there are many film mediums designed for strict entertainment, trek has never been one of them, people have always debated its philosophy and humanistic message). 2-Need to quiet people who notice possible disparaging elements in this new film, to the degree where you actually are asking people to stop visiting this site? If you are happy, then be happy and allow the naysayers to be naysayers, control your reactions to them if you are not pleased with having to interact with us. Just a suggestion.

103. Holger - March 9, 2009

95: Come on now, is that really necessary?

104. Daoud - March 9, 2009

#101 McCoy’s a practicing MD, early 30’s, just out of a failed marriage. Starfleet’s going to be his second career.

Chekov is a Russian computer whiz-kid, entering the academy at age 16.

Kirk is the son of a great Starfleet officer, accepted by the academy at 17, but didn’t go. Did something else. Something not so special. In the meantime perhaps served in a terrestrial service. Challenged by Pike 8 years later to “make a difference”.

Uhura is the one “normal” cadet.

Other than Uhura, they’re each “misfits of science”. That they’re brought together makes a lot of sense. Particularly if you realize Old Spock has been manipulating and helping things along. With the help of his original mentor, Chris Pike.

Kirk’s bike. Well, you know his fondness for antiques. Cheaper, too. Probably runs off ethanol made at the Kirk farm.

This “alternate” reality isn’t that far from the real one. The origin stories for everyone BUT Kirk are clearly the same. Chekov the whiz kid. McCoy the soured doctor. Uhura, the bright eager eyed one. Spock of the dual nature. Scott of the wild-eyed engineer with a knack for the unexpected. Sulu seems dead-on.

If you don’t like it… you still have 80 hours of the first versions of TOS.

I knew it was a bad morning when the roddenberries in my cereal weren’t crunchy.

105. Databrain - March 9, 2009

one more thing to
95:
Another difference between die hards and people like yourself is that you make speculative remarks about peoples personal lives which reveals the extent of your mentality. When have I or any other die hard trekkie who have questioned this films merit ever spoken or speculated on the private lives of you or any of the other members here? I did make the suggestion that those who make such accusations are more likely of possessing such qualities, but this is based on observation of said characteristics. Not on actually knowing ones personal life nor habits. Do you comprehend how foolish it makes you sound to speculate as to the activities of ones personal life? Or was that an ad hominem attack based on the fact that you had nothing else to say in reference to my comments? I am guessing the latter.

106. Josh - March 9, 2009

If the main thing people are complaining about that Chekov, Uhura, and Kirk are all at the academy at the same time, I’d say they’re doing pretty good.

107. Daoud - March 9, 2009

#103 Considering he probably is trolling himself, which I’m sure AP will find with the IP logs. Although the best trolls know how to cover their tracks. It’s classic Troll Kingdom behavior, rule #14: Troll thyself using alters and draw in the “aw shucks” crowd.

108. cpelc - March 9, 2009

What does D A C Mean?

There’s a new poster from the movie coming in inserts for new trek merchandise.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/news3/StarTrek_DACgame_insert.jpg

109. WhatInBlueBlazes?! - March 9, 2009

I’m extremely open to hearing anxieties and even criticisms regarding what we have seen of the new film. I welcome speculation, debate, philosophical and rational discussion based on personal opinions. I enjoy hearing another person’s perspective on Trek, mulling over their personal Tao of Roddenberry’s vision, just as I enjoy discussing other films or literature or philosophy.

What I don’t like is seeing people hurling accusations or ad hominem attacks based on another person’s vision. I don’t like elitism or denigration of other people based on their opinion of a work of (in my opinion great) fiction.

If you like the film, I’ll see you in May. If you don’t like it or you’re still on the fence, that’s your business. There’s no need for us — any of us — to resort to internecine sniping and gnashing of teeth. There are so many better ways to spend energy. Play nice, guys.

110. ProperTrekkieUK - March 9, 2009

# 104 – there we go, thats all that settled (did u make that up or is it true?)

Can we aaaaaaall move on and except that all this complaining will never get anyone anywhere, and just embrace the fact that we have an amazing, exciting and sensational new chapter in our beloved Star Trek? I for one cannot wait!

111. cpelc - March 9, 2009

PS:

went to paramountpictures.com/games – nothing there for this but did have a lot of other games mostly on iphone, but some for systems.

I thought Anthony said originally that there was no game tie-in for this film…maybe they have changed their minds?

112. Databrain - March 9, 2009

107:

when the proprietor of this website checks the IP address of said individual, I promise it will not match my own. That said, I still think the individual in question should be allowed to speak his mind, however foolish and ad hominem his misdirected goals are. I am not like him. I support 100% freedom of expression. Even if much of that constitutes ad hominem, unrelated jabs at that which the person has no clue about.

113. Lorebrain - March 9, 2009

Yes, for I am Lorebrain and I will throw humour and silly insults like tiny willy (Not really that bad) at anyone I chose, for I am so emotionally twisted and I love to bait people that don’t see me coming cos of the proximity of their head to Uranus.

Seriously though, Rodders was a great man and Star Trek was and is a great Franchise. But that is what it is afterall. A Franchise. The moral issues and everything in it are not new or unique to Roddenberry. Hell, there is so much Classical Literature reasoning in there that such ideals could still exist today without Star Trek having ever existed. So as a platform for telling moral tales it is no more advanced than the Orators of stories like the illyad were in their day.

I just get a real kick out of people so wrapped up in their own perception of reality letting reason and dare I say it “Logic” get in the way of their lives.

Interestingly sulky data gave me the old “I am rubber, you are glue” response. What can I say? Bravo on your impressive wit!

114. Josh - March 9, 2009

108 – take your pick?

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DAC

115. captain_neill - March 9, 2009

Why dear lord are they all at the academy at the same time, altenrate timeline or not this makes no sense as the crew are all diff ages and all had assignments before the Enterprise, exception being Chekov.

It has a still in trailer showing most of them at the academy at the same time. Having them all be at the academy at the same time and Kirk going from cadet to captain are two no nos

Chekov is 12 years younger than Kirk and McCoy around 10 years older.

Other than that I should really enjoy this film as long as I choose to ignore this film as canon.

116. Justin Olson - March 9, 2009

@ 29. Rainbucket – March 9, 2009

In the altered timeline, they conceived Chekov soon after surviving the Kelvin’s destruction… Chekov is closer to Kirk’s age. That’s my crackpot theory.

***

But he wouldn’t be genetically identical to Chekov if that happened. He would be named “Pavel” but would be equivalent to a sibling of the original Chekov. When each sperm and egg are first formed in the bodies of the parents (and sperm and eggs only live a short amount of time, remember, they are periodically replenished) meiosis randomly shuffles the genes, so each one is unique. That’s why siblings aren’t identical, even though they have the same parents.

Only one specific sperm and one specific egg made at a specific time in each parent could have joined to form the original Chekov.

117. cpelc - March 9, 2009

114 – probably “detroit athletic club”

but seriously people thoughts on the poster?

Definitely shows the Enterprise in battle with the Narada from the comics.

118. Databrain - March 9, 2009

109:

Your comment is relevant to those who were ‘gnashing’ their teeth and making those ad hominem attacks. I agree with it 100% in that context. To make comments about ones personal life relative to their opinion of what has been revealed thus far of a piece of work is amazingly childish.

119. Holger - March 9, 2009

107: Well, we don’t know if Databrain is trolling himself, so no unwarranted suspicions.

But I didn’t even know about such habits, thanks for the information. Some people have funny hobbies!

120. CJS - March 9, 2009

It’s his brother Piotr.

And

Doesn’t anyone think monsters eating monsters is a bit too much Phantom Menace?

121. CardPri - March 9, 2009

This Web have: Trailers 1,2,3 for Downland, Wallpapers, etc, is in Spanish.

http://www.cardassiaprimera.com.ar/

Engage.

122. Justin Olson - March 9, 2009

@ 116

Correction: I meant to say “That’s why siblings USUALLY aren’t identical.”

123. Daoud - March 9, 2009

#115 If you study the novels, as Bob Orci did, and recall the original series itself! You’ll see that McCoy, Uhura, and Chekov (we know his first year he was servicing the toilets on the Enterprise–the classic convention joke about TWOK etc.) all show up AFTER Where No Man Has Gone Before.

That suggests they could have been together going through Starfleet Academy. The Academy is a fusion of college, grad school, and service academy. People of different ages are certain to be there. It’s not going to be like a US service academy, which is where I think everyone’s developing these insistences that they couldn’t have done this or that.

It’s *Kirk* who’s a bit out of place. Other than Chekov, they indeed did have previous assignments. McCoy was an overworked hospital resident out of the University of Mississippi and Emory Medical somewhere in Atlanta, who worked himself out of his marriage and his daughter’s life. The consequences of his divorce lead him to Starfleet. Uhura was a communications tech who wanted more than circuit boards and transtators: perhaps she was serving on cargo vessels (if you want, pretend her grandfather was Travis Mayweather, and in the sequel Nichols will portray her grandmother). Sulu was probably a university physicist, a grad student who also wanted something more.

Folks need to stop looking at Starfleet Academy as Space Camp, and think of it more as the NASA Astronaut Training Program.

Consider that Kirk is ending up on the Enterprise a bit *earlier* than originally. And Nero’s made a mess of timelines, but still, the characters other than Kirk are still following their best destiny.

Which recalls. Bob Orci’s mentioned Best Destiny quite a few times.

Aside: http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/28/intel-launches-new-star-trek-contest-site/#1281925

I highly recommend posts #140 and #147. And then please, stop feeding the trolls.

124. WhatInBlueBlazes?! - March 9, 2009

117.

I dunno, I thought it might be Diocesan Advisory Committee — Paramount’s attempt to reach the largely-untapped potential religious market…

125. jvaughan - March 9, 2009

does older spock do a suicide crash into the narada?

126. Seany-Wan - March 9, 2009

This trailer shows that JJ is taking Trek to the next level. From George Kirk’s death to the dead body floating in space. I think the team that did the opening battle of Revenge of the Sith tackled this one. This film is going to change Trek forever.

127. Seany-Wan - March 9, 2009

This trailer shows that JJ is taking Trek to the next level. From George Kirk’s death to the dead body floating in space. I think the team that did the opening battle of Revenge of the Sith tackled this one. This film is going to change Trek forever.

128. Anneke - March 9, 2009

I don’t see Databrain make any that offensive comments. He has a different opinion, and so far I haven’t seen him treat Geoffers or other commenters with the disrespect they’re bestowing him. Grow up and get over yourself Geoffers :P If you don’t agree him just ignore him, don’t stick your fingers in your ears and do la la la as you’ve basically been doing with your derogatory comments.

Regarding the trailer and the shot-by-shot, it looks great, but it will take me some getting used to, new cast and all. “Scotty” looks like he will annoy me horribly. Sulu and Spock look really promising.

I wasn’t that impressed by Alias, totally UNimpressed by Mission Impossible 3, and I am afraid that all we see in the trailer is basically going to be all there is to the film. I just hope it’s not just big explosions but that it actually has the heart and soul of Star Trek in it. Fingers and toes crossed!!!

129. Ben - March 9, 2009

NBC just teased an exclusive look at Star Trek tonight during Heroes. Not much more than that bit they did show a couple of trailer clips.

130. AJ - March 9, 2009

127:

“I think the team that did the opening battle of Revenge of the Sith tackled this one.”

I hope not. That was a confusing mess.

131. Father Robert Lyons - March 9, 2009

124: I’d gladly serve on the Diocesan Advisory Committee… the only question is, which Diocese should it be for? Diocese of Vulcan? Diocese of Romulus? Diocese of Delta Vega?

Speaking of Delta Vega, when did Delta Vega become an ice planet, and how did Kirk get suck on Delta Vega… and is that big ole’ monster actually a projection from Gary Mitchell in the Prime Universe?

I must consult with the bishop on this…

Rob+

132. GreenEnvy - March 9, 2009

I really don’t understand what to me is small nitpicking. I’m a big trekkie, watched every episode several times by this point. I for one don’t care if the enterprise is now said to be built in Iowa instead of San fran. I also don’t care if Chekov’s age doesn’t line up with the age differences between the actors in the original series.
These changes make a line or two of dialog in the series not match up, big deal. It’s not as if they made Chekov the captain and Kirk a janitor. Starfleet isn’t some conquering military force that wipes out other civilizations. These are minor changes to help tell a better story. Trek is FICTION, it’s not as if someone is changing the Bible to make it more exciting (though I’m sure many will argue the Bible is fiction, but I think you can grasp the difference).

Don’t get hung up on these little tribbles, if you can’t get over the fact that they changed where the ship was built, thats your problem, not the movie/writers.

133. Father Robert Lyons - March 9, 2009

I have to confess that my favorite part of the trailer is Pike’s line “Your father was the captain of a starship for twelve minutes.” Greenwood’s head tick, his tone, the look he gives Kirk… I totally buy him as Pike.

Since this timeline seems so vastly different from Prime, I’d be curious to see if Number One is still Pike’s XO at any point in history (I get the sense from the breakdown that Spock is the XO in the film). I’d love to see some stories of Pike as the Enterprise’s skipper, though… perhaps a new TV show? ;)

I also wonder if this Pike ever visited Talos IV, and I wonder if he will survive this flick…

Rob+

134. Bradley1701 - March 9, 2009

I hope they make this inot a game for ps3 or something…WOW

135. falcon - March 9, 2009

Ugh. How many times has “ad hominem” been used in this thread?

Now, back to the trailer:

I don’t believe the planet being eaten is either Vulcan, Romulus, or Earth. I’ve always believed that, although it was never made clear in either the “spoilers” or the back-of-jacket book blurb that Romulus was actually Nero’s home.

There’s lots that can be inferred without being said, and I think it’s all part of the guessing game that JJAbrams enjoys putting us through. I’m willing to play along.

136. Spock - March 9, 2009

Delta Vega????

Looks like Rura Pente..lol

137. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

Nice to see Databrain use his other alter ego (enphesis on ego)… ahh that said… I am “over myself”.. Ahem

138. falcon - March 9, 2009

Oh, yeah, and #59 –

I think this scene happens just after Kirk and Spock fight on the bridge, and Kirk relieves Spock of command under Starfleet regulation 104, section C. Meanwhile, Pike is still hostage aboard the Narada. That’s when McCoy makes the comment that the ship has no first officer or captain.

Fighting with a Vulcan can kind of wear you out.

Of course, this is solely my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

139. Jakob - March 9, 2009

131:
Who says that Delta Vega has become an ice planet? Can’t alien planets have diverse ecologies? Earth has everything from ice caps to deserts to steaming jungles …

140. Melody - March 9, 2009

HOLY CRAP. I saw this trailer Friday, and I totally missed some portions of it, especially near the end (having an HD trailer doesn’t help with the fast frames :P) Hopefully that duel with Sulu on top of the rig is epic!

Thanks!

141. Dennis Bailey - March 9, 2009

I saw “Watchmen” with a nearly-full house on Friday – mostly young folks. There was no audience reaction to the Trek trailer at all. There was also no strong reaction to either the Terminator or Wolverine trailers, so your guess is as good as mine.

142. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 9, 2009

#47 LoyalStarTrekFan — It’s true, the “Year of Hell” and “Azati Prime” episodes really did make strides in advancing beyond the bridge console explosions. As unfortunate as it is to have to credit Nemesis with anything, it, too, subjected the Enterprise to more damage. Better special effects have made a difference in imparting Star Trek with a greater sense of physical peril in space battles.

I guess I find the pic of George Kirk at the end of his rope gripping because his appearance and the bridge have such a TOS flavor, but as we all know, in TOS they barely ever did more than make bridge personnel hold onto their seats earnestly and occasionally go flying off….

—–

By the way, I think George Kirk may neither be squatting on his chair or in the process of getting thrown off of it — it could be that the Kelvin has undergone such damage that the grav-plating or what have you has been disabled, and he is floating above his chair, weightless.

—–

In regard to the “Sulu punches it” image, it’s nice to see Sulu handling a physical throttle again…. and it’s so nice & shiny…. (and it’s not a barcode scanner).

143. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 9, 2009

^ Oops: “neither… NOR…” not “neither… or…”

144. cpelc - March 9, 2009

Looks like the game is being produced and designed by Naked Sky Entertaiment.

Here’s their site: http://www.nakedsky.com/

and here’s the link to the poster again for those that missed it before:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/news3/StarTrek_DACgame_insert.jpg

145. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#63 It has a little chord progression in there that sounds like it’s based directly on the TOS theme.

146. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

#145

Yes, I can hear it.

147. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

It’s a shame the music in the trailer, appears to not be in the film, it certainly is very stirring and fits the film well.

148. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#146 There’s already a fan trailer with that music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kLFRgt-3Fo

149. Jakob - March 9, 2009

147:
I think that the music in the new trailer will be in the movie. Its theme seems very similar to the music on the web site, which supposedly is from the movie, so they are probably two pieces of the same score.

150. Scottm - March 9, 2009

I think George Kirk looks great and what he’s doing is ramming his ship into the Narada, sacrificing himself. The crew has all abandoned ship, look in the background, where’s the bridgecrew? He only had 12 minutes of command because ordered a complete evacuation and at the end of the 12 minutes he rammed the other ship and was dead. So, Jim Kirk grew up without a father and that’s why he’s such rebel till Pike straightens him out.

151. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

149… Do hope your right mate..

152. robot - March 9, 2009

#145: No it doesn’t.

153. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#149 (Jakob): the music from the trailer is a modified pre-existing library cue, produced specifically for the ST09 trailer and licensed exclusively by Paramount. It’s composed by Thomas Bergerson for Two Steps from Hell (track title: Freedom Fighters on Legend CD #1). It’s a good cue, but typical trailer music, and I don’t think it’s in the film itself.

154. Jakob - March 9, 2009

Yes, these two bits sound like a potentially great score. Seems as if Giachinno is moving away from the more obviously military style of the Goldsmith- and Horner-themes, striving for a more romantic space opera tone.
Now all this score needs is a little TOS-weirdness!

155. Jakob - March 9, 2009

#153: Too bad. I really liked it. But I also like the piece from the website, so I’m not worried …

156. Mr. Zoom - March 9, 2009

“Kirk runs from one Delta Vega monster…only to have another bigger monster eat the first one”

No, it is I who will eat YOU!!!!

157. robot - March 9, 2009

the piece from the website is, as pointed out, generic, nothing special. I hope it is one of the weaker tracks from the score, otherwise I’ll be seriously disappointed

158. Vedek Anon - March 9, 2009

I know this may be little rude and a little late, but to #35, it cannot be the cameo of Shatner. WHY, you ask. Because if it ‘twer to be the “Shat”, the corpse would have blocked out the whole sun!

My sincere apologies to Bill, but I could not resist. And after the drama of the posts between #35 and now, we could ALL use a good laugh.

159. trekmaster - March 9, 2009

Despite of different versions this is still trailer #2 and not trailer #3…

160. Jakob - March 9, 2009

#158:
Well, if he has been floating for a while, the oozy stuff could have evaporated from him, circling the planet as a gaseuous ring …

161. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#152 (robot): Of course it does—listen again. Of course they are not the same chords, but very reminescent of the original TOS motif—whether deliberately or not—even including the same triplet rhythm in the melody. In the original it’s roughly 0:32–0:34 and 0:34–0:40, in the new track from the STwebsite it’s approx. at 0:11–0:13, 0:26–0:31 and 1:13–1:18.

162. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#155 (Jakob): Definitely. At first I thought that the track on the ST09 website was generic and simplistic, but it sort of grows on you. I still think the second part (with the percussion) is a bit weak, but the first part is really good—at the very beginning it even has a touch of Horner’s “Aliens”. If that piece is from Giacchino’s score, it seems that they’re especially emphasizing the human aspects of the story. Film music is emotion, not only motion. That would be quite reassuring. :)

163. Deep_Space_913 - March 9, 2009

Freaking awesome!

164. USS TRINOMA - NCC-0278 - March 9, 2009

I believe the planet destroyed was Vulcan. Remember, a few months ago when there was a huge discussion on Quantum Mechanics. And Mr Orci’s inspiration was “Yesterday’s Enterprise” on TNG. I strongly believe that Nero went back in time to destroy Vulcan and Earth because of his psychotic revenge of what happened to his planet (based on the comics.) He just went back in time because he knew that his technology is definitely superior to 23rd Century Technology. He only succeeded in destroying Vulcan. The planet destroyed looks like Vulcan and it is evidenced by three scenes: 1) The first scene was in another trailer, where young Spock was helping his family getting out of Vulcan. 2) The second one when Uhura was hugging Spock. They are not in a relationship. She is consoling him. What event could a human console a Vulcan? 3) The drilling rig that was pointing toward Vulcan in which Spock’s mother saw it. Think about it, why would there be another scene of Earth facing the same situation as Vulcan did, unless Nero succeeded in destroying Vulcan!?!?!

Also, Spock’s timeship ramming toward the Narada??? Who was in that ship unless it is Spock himself? There is no “red shirt” in that timeship I may safely say!!! (Gasping: Talking about the needs of the many outway the needs of the few or the one!!!) It would be nice if Spock reminisces his time with Kirk as he make his ultimate sacrifice!!!

If what I have said is true, then this will be an EPIC movie!!!!

The destruction of Vulcan is the “JJ Abram and Robert Orci imprint,” of creating this alternate timeline!!! This is what preserves canon of old. Remember of all the series and the movies that had Vulcan included. As much as the USS Enterprise is a major character, planets are also major characters!!! The destruction of Vulcan changes everything!!! And how does Mr. Orci tries to reconcile the destruction of Vulcan and the preservation of canon? Quantum Mechanics!!!

Oh my goodness!!! This is how the “new” Star Trek will move forward: The aftermath of the destruction of Vulcan!!! And yet, canon is “truly preserved” because of Quantum Mechanics!!!

So you have the “2nd Edition” of Star Trek!!! A Star Trek without the world of Vulcan!!! So that means, from the episode of “Amok’s Time” to the movies of the original cast and even to the “unification” episodes of TNG, they never existed in this alternate timeline. Sure, the characters are preserved, but at the expense of a planet being destroyed, there will be new stories to tell.

Fascinating.

165. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

The whole Vulcan angle, may also be what J J referred to when he mentioned (way back) something about, that although this is a “prequel”, it doesn’t mean any of the characters you know, won’t die…

166. Wow - March 9, 2009

#159:

It’s theatrical trailer #2, but trailer #3. The teaser trailer is #1.

167. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#166: what about the alternate version with old Spock? That would make it trailer #4. ;)

168. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

Must be getting on for setting a record on the number of trailers for a single film… but hey… who’s complaining!

169. Alex Rosenzweig - March 9, 2009

#164 – You clearly have a very different interpretation of “fascinating” than I do. ;)

I’m really unimpressed with the idea of turning Spock into “the last son of Vulcan” (as it were).

Ahh, well, to each his own. :)

170. Databrain - March 9, 2009

I owe you guys a huge apology. I haven’t taken my medication today and whenever that happens i start trolling forums with the most absurd comments that come into my head, and they are many.

For all my nonsensical buffoonery i say sorry.

171. thorsten - March 9, 2009

@164…

And then there is this other fascinating little bit of information Data shares with Spock Prime about the Hobus Star. The Federation sent a secret mission into Romulan space to drill straight into the star to prevent the nova.
Nero will be not amused when he learns about that fact.

172. Don Farnsworth - March 9, 2009

They killed kirk in generations they can kill vulcan.

173. Brad - March 9, 2009

Is George Kirk wearing a diaper?

174. Andrew Thomas Clifton - March 9, 2009

Isnt that Sulu in Picture 12 (at the bottom of the frame) as well?

175. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

Ooooo the “drilling into the sun” info is interesting!

176. Geoffers - March 9, 2009

I hope we don’t see Vulcan die, nor “elder Spock”..

177. section9 - March 9, 2009

A couple of things, kiddies:

1. Couldn’t the planet being imploded be a pic of Romulus being destroyed? Quite frankly, it looked more like Romulus to me (unless, of course, Romulus got nuked by the Hobus Supernova-haven’t gotten Countdown yet, so don’t know).

2. HUGE CONTINUITY ISSUE: WHO PAYS HARLAN ELLISON-THE PROBLEM OF EDITH KEELER. The most problematic and decisive episode in all, repeat ALL of Star Trek Lore is “City on the Edge of Forever”. If Nero screws with the timeline, then there’s no way McCoy can go back and affect the timeline in such a way as to arrange the untimely life of Edith Keeler. Kirk, of course, has to make sure that she dies. Nero has screwed everything up, or I should say, Bob Orci and Co. have screwed everything up in such a way as to insure that Adolf Hitler gets the Atomic Bomb first.

This one woman’s life affects EVERYTHING in the entire Alpha Quadrant, according to Star Trek History, including whether Hitler gets the Bomb first and turns us into Mirror Earth, the Federation exists or not, Vulcan and Andor engage in war to the death, the Romulans and the Klingons engage in War against the rest of the Alpha Quadrant, and whether or not the Borg are turned back from successful invasion.

Edith Keeler must die in 1933. It’s the prime plot point in all of Star Trek, and Bob Orci and Co. just screwed the pooch by ignoring this episode. Someone send Harlan Ellison a big check to write a treatment for the ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY SEQUEL before we all turn into Nazis, okay?

178. Aucka Lukaum - March 9, 2009

Those who have read any of my posts here or on the IMDB know that I’m not a big fan of nitpicking over “canon” issues, considering GR’s point of view on canon (he was extremely revisionist) and my personal feelings on the general importance of minute details.

However, I have to admit that I’ve had kind of mixed feelings about Kirk and Chekov being in the Academy at the same time, but I do have to say this: I didn’t start college until I was 31 years old, and therefore am graduating at the same time as quite a number of 21-25 year olds. I think we’re all assuming that everyone joins the Starfleet Academy at the same age, but I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch that Kirk didn’t go in until he was 25-28 and Chekov immediately when he was eligible (17-18ish). Considering the age at which each cast member went through the Academy is never mentioned in any “canon” source, this pretty much clears up my mixed feelings.

179. richpit - March 9, 2009

Canon violation!! Baby Kirk obviously should have been played by William Shatner!! ;-) (some CGI needed, of course)

180. section9 - March 9, 2009

This whole “Spock as Kal-El” thing is a bit overdone. Methinks they’re keeping him around as a latter-day Gandalf.

181. section9 - March 9, 2009

No, you don’t understand rich. The poster above nailed it. The floating corpse above WAS Fat Shat.

You didn’t see the floating Tennessee Walker horse on the other side of the destroyed saucer, did you? Go look again.

182. Jakob - March 9, 2009

#177:
Doens’t COTEOF imply that, if McCoy hadn’t accidentally gone back in time, Edith Keeler would have died anyway? So if neither McCoy nor Kirk and Spock go back, Edith Keeler dies and everything goes as “planned”. Problem solved, or rather: never created in the first place.

183. Sarah - March 9, 2009

#176: I hope not, either. I am looking forward to this movie and love the idea of it, but I’ll decry it loudly if that’s how the movie ends.

184. thorsten - March 9, 2009

@176…

what Nero does is drilling a hole into Vulcan so that he can drop a device that will create a black hole close to the planets core.

While Sulu and Kirk succeed in stopping the drill, it is too late.
Nero drops his red matter probe, and off we go.

Nest stop, Bay Area.

185. Sarah - March 9, 2009

To clarify: I am talking about the younger “Spock”, not the older

186. USS TRINOMA - NCC-0278 - March 9, 2009

Drilling into the sun to prevent a supernova? Borg Technology? lololol.

187. thorsten - March 9, 2009

@186…

without any real success…
So Nero has a grudge with Vulcan… and San Francisco ;))

188. Eric - March 9, 2009

I like the trailer and cannot wait to see the film, but I am a little concerned the battles all seem to border on Science Fantasy rather than Science Fiction. I am certainly willing (and eager) to give the movie a chance though.

I think we are all going to have to forget what we knew about the old Star Trek. This is going to be very different.

189. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

If Vulcan is destroyed, future Trek stories set in this timeline will surely have a different flavour. And since I think that this alternate timeline will be the new “current” timeline for movies and/or TV series… well… everything is possible. Fascinating.

190. Brian Matthews - March 9, 2009

Listening to the Giacchino clip at http://www.startrekmovie.com, I get yet another satisfying indication that there are little things being done here and there in this movie that will link the feeling of this film with the old. Some of this music sounds very much like some of the writing for the other films, and this helps a great deal (wait ’til we hear Majel Roddenberry as the computer voice!).

Also, I’ve seen the clip several times and I still get a wave of emotion from the second Pike starts speaking to Kirk, the way he delivers that first line… not to mention the rest of that brief exchange. And I’m seeing more and more of the Kirk I know in Pine’s performance. Very encouraging.

This movie will determine if the characters of Kirk, Spock, McCoy and the rest are indeed timeless and perhaps mythical in some sense, unbounded by those who play them and worthy of all the loyalty and appreciation that we accord.

191. Dennis Bailey - March 9, 2009

#188:”I am a little concerned the battles all seem to border on Science Fantasy rather than Science Fiction.”

In other words, typically Star Trek.

192. thorsten - March 9, 2009

Neros motivation may be revenge, but he have to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he goes back in time to warn Romulus about the Hobus Star.
And as romulan patriot, he tries to get rid of Kirk and Vulcan.
Kirk because of the Balance of Terror and the Enterprise Incident, to begin with…

193. Gary - March 9, 2009

Its time to differentiate between TOS and this new continuity. My suggestion is Star Trek 2.0

194. Captain Jack Bauer - March 9, 2009

61.

U.S.S. Mayflower is my theory as well. In the earliest shot of it, there is definitely a letter right of the E and an F appears to be to the left. So Mayflower is a pretty good bet.

There’s also part of a registry on the saucer debris in front of the Enterprise. Appears to be a 62 or 52, can’t be sure. Definitely no name.

Oh, an nice work on this article Anthony. I love these articles.

195. Admiral_Bumblebee - March 9, 2009

If Vulcan gets destroyed what would the crew of the Enterprise normally do? They would go back in time to undo it!
They saved Earth this way, so why not save Vulcan this way?
Would they just let it happen? No, they wouldn’t.
But it WILL happen in this new Star Trek movie… because JJ and his team likes to sh…t on the fans of Star Trek.
They destroy everything that is dear to us, they do not listen to the things we want in this movie. They are doing their thing and they are solely doing it to make it different, to make it their own.
I remember when JJ Abrams wanted to do a new Superman movie and f…ck around with the whole legend. Superman not being the last son of Krypton etc. Now he had the chance to f…ck up Star Trek and he does.

I really don’t know what this obsession about changing everything is about? Why would someone want to change Superman? Why would someone want to change Star Trek? What’s next? Changing the Bible?
Create your own damn universe and let the work of other people be!

I am really angry at all this, at JJ and his men and at all the fans cheering at him for destryoing Star Trek.

196. Chadwick - March 9, 2009

Not hard to guess, I am sure it is Vulcan being destroyed. Not too many red dusty planets in trek universe (that we have been shown.)

Makes sense McCoy always said he was a country doctor and the character was clearly older than the rest, so McCoy went through the academy later in life.

@17 true enough, we are putting the pieces together from what we see and there are infinitely more pieces to this puzzle

197. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#193 (Gary): I’d go for “New Trek”.

198. John Sullivan - March 9, 2009

“Spock gives Uhura a hug.” Uhlikely it happens that way. Maybe “Spock keeps Uhura’s skirt from floating up in a sudden episode of zero-g due to a power outage,” or even “Uhura gives Spock a hug until she learns better.” But that pic is a real classic. Makes me want to watch the film just to see how that came about.

Looks like they could have used the old Enterprise TV show’s bridge sets for the Kelvin.

I just hope it’s not Risa that got destroyed. That would really alter the timeline.

199. OneBuckFilms - March 9, 2009

164 – I strongly suspect that you may be correct, in that Vulcan and Old Spock both die.

Plot wise, having Vulcan destroyed by Nero would have a strong emotional effect, and give a sense of gravitas and awe to the story that Non-fans can pick up, but that fans will feel so much more deeply.

It also would serve to illustrate to the audience what is at stake when the Narada reaches earth.

It would also be a fitting end for Spock to sacrifice his life to save what he can of what should be, and the millions, perhaps even billions of lives on Earth, and the heart of the Federation it leads.

If true, it indicates that this movie is going to tug very hard at the heart strings, and will leave a heavy stone in the pit of our stomachs.

For a Star Trek movie to aim for such an emotional resonance is extremely ambitious, and the last time a Star Trek movie did that was Spock’s death in Star Trek II.

This movie will either work fantastically on that level, or fall flat on it’s face.

From what little we’ve seen, it is likely to be the former.

200. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#195: “What’s next? Changing the Bible?”

The Bible has been constantly changing since the first words were written: rewritings, errors, transpositions, translations etc.… lots of sources with different accounts, apocryphal stories, many different interpretations. So what’s wrong about getting a new Trek gospel every now and then? If the Trek church (i.e. the fanbase) says it’s great, it’ll be canon. :)

201. Ensign Jack - March 9, 2009

Hey I did a frame by frame and i’m pretty sure that girl in bed with Kirk isn’t green!
Awsome job with the other shots Anthony your the BEST!

202. Max Choi - March 9, 2009

#195–First, an in-universe possibility: It could be that the 23rd century Starfleet in the new timeline has less time travel prowess than its counterpart in the original timeline. If so much of the Federation’s cultural trappings change (fashions, architecture, starship engineering, etc.), it’s likely that scientific and technological knowledge will change, too, getting a little more advanced in some areas and a little less advanced in others.

Second, a real-world reality: Star Trek is more than a story, it’s a treasured mythology of American culture, and like any mythology, each generation re-shapes it somewhat to match its own particular tastes and concerns. Superman has changed in certain ways since the thirties; the legends of King Arthur and Merlin have been re-purposed plenty of times over the centuries; the Odyssey has gone through countless permutations . . . and so on. Star Trek has to go through the same kind of evolution if it’s going to REMAIN an important part of American (and to a lesser extent the rest of Western) culture. Unlike most other myths, though, Abrams et al. have chosen to respect everything else that has come before by not simply ignoring it or throwing it out.

203. thorsten - March 9, 2009

@199…

I agree, the movie will ask a huge leap of faith from us,
but I am prepared to jump.

204. 250harris - March 9, 2009

#195

Here, Here!

205. Alex Rosenzweig - March 9, 2009

#195 – ‘I am really angry at all this, at JJ and his men and at all the fans cheering at him for destryoing Star Trek.”

Well… I’ll save “really angry” for when the movie comes out and ends with such destruction being permanent.

Don’t forget, we’re told that we may see more than one alternate continuum, and it may be that Vulcan is destroyed in one, but Spock or others later make further changes to prevent it. Or perhaps it’s not actually Vulcan, after all.

So I’ll wait and see.

However, if that is the sort of change they think is a fun thing to make, they will very quickly lose me. I really just don’t understand why that would be exciting to anyone. But that’s just me.

206. John from Cincinnati - March 9, 2009

16. I do believe in another trailer Pike mentions that Kirk is a “genius” and is wasting his talents getting into bar brawls. Which is probably why he got into Starflee on one try.

Is it possible a teen age Kirk still goes to Tarsus IV? I mean, we see a young Kirk drive a Corvette and then we see him a 25 year old in a bar. Is it possible his punishment for his crime or because he is an orphan, is to spend time on Tarsus IV?

I hope Prime Spock doesn’t get killed.

I hope Vulan doesn’t get destroyed.

I hope Starfleet HQ doesn’t get destroyed.

But if they all do, maybe that means the timeline gets restored in the end?

I don’t know how Star Trek can continue without Vulcan and Starfleet.

207. The A-Man - March 9, 2009

Well for people arguing against all of them being in the Academy together… I’m at university and in my class there are people aged 21, 23, 33 and 43.

As far as I know Starfleet isn’t obligatory for everyone in the Federation so for sure, people come in at different ages. Same for military service in the real world.

Besides, Uhura, Chekov and Sulu and are all pretty young, which makes sense in the positions they hold: helm, navigation, comms. It’s not like they’re fleet admirals.

Spock has a few years under his belt already. Scotty is already and engineer and McCoy’s already a doc.

Only Kirk is the wildcard and the fact that he’ll be the youngest captain ever will make his character evolve.

Nothing wrong there.

208. Ensign Jack - March 9, 2009

I don’t mind if Vulcan gets destroyed. I’d be sad but there will still be vulcans in the galaxy, it’s not like spock was the only one off planet. It would mean a huge change in cannon, which would mean any future TV show based on the movie would interesting cause we don’t know what will happen.

209. starfleetmom - March 9, 2009

What a delicious smorgasbord of photos!!

210. Kendra Shaw Redux - March 9, 2009

I really want Kirk’s black tunic. That’s hot.

211. thorsten - March 9, 2009

@206…

Pike to Kirk: You are the only genius-level repeat offender in the Midwest.

If the galaxy is flooded with Vulcan refugees or not, Strafleet will survive this movie. As will Star Trek.

But the Prime timeline will not be restored.

We are not in JanewayTuvok Reset Button country here.

212. I am Kurok! - March 9, 2009

Based on the scenes above, are Pike and Spock SFA Faculty pending the launch of the Enterprise??

Along with everyone else, I wonder how are McCoy, Uhura and Checkov SFA classmates who later become Lt Cdr, Lt, and Ens respectively (granted, McCoy’s a doctor, which in the military gives him an accelerated appointment) but gee-whiz, SF personnel sure get rank quickly, don’t they? (I’m not even going to try to figure out where Kirk stands in all this) I am hopeful that there is some explanation that neatly ties this together. . . .

I’m kind of hoping that there is some pivotal time-alteration that sets everything right, like “yesteryear” in the animated series, when Spock excised himself out of existence, and returned throu the Guardian to find that he never existed, and the E’s first officer was an Andorian in the altered timeline-Spock goes back, fixes things, and per the Guardian “All is as it should be….”

Does anyone think that Geo. Kirk’s uniform looks somewhat TNG-ish??

213. Jakob - March 9, 2009

#195:
No, the Enterprise crew didn’t go back in time to undo the destruction of earth. They went back in time to grab a couple of hunchback whales that helped them to prevent earth from being destroyed back in their time. Yes, they slightly altered the past by doing this (since it would be impossible to travel into the past and not to alter it), but that was not the goal of their actions. The goal was to secure a resource that they could only find in the past.
The only Star Trek Story I can recall where someone went back in time to make something right that hadn’t been changed by time travel in the first place (as in COTEOF, Yesterday’s Enterprise, FC and so many others) is GEN, and that, if you ask me, opened up a whole can of worms with regards to the ethics of time travel. As I see it, starfleet has a policy of “what happens, happens”. If you start making everything “right” by going back in time, you are faced with tons of unforeseeable consequences. Furthermore, it would be impossible to tell any kind of meaningful story if the protagonists would just keep going back in time to change events.
One could argue that Kirk&Co. would be in their right to change the timeline again, since Nero did so in the first place, but maybe they have good reason to believe that further timeline-screwing could only make matters worse.
OK, Trek’s time travel stuff has never been very consistent. But surely it is wrong that in “old trek”, they would have just gone back in time to make it right. If so, why didn’t the Enterprise D travel back in time to prevent the massacre at Wolf 359 by sending the “sleeping massage” to the borg a few hours earlier? Why didn’t Kirk travel back in time in TUC to prevent the death of Chancellor Gorkon?

214. krikzil (aka Lixy) - March 9, 2009

Are women still going to have to be screaming in agony during childbirth in the future?

Well, it looks good, effects are stunning, attractive cast. Still having trouble with Kirk assuming command as a cadet (and he was snuck aboard which makes it even more improbable). Uhura hugging Spock? Curious. McCoy, Chekov & Uhura same Academy class….hmm. Vulcan destroyed — wow!

215. thorsten - March 9, 2009

@214…

Well, Liz, you are right. While it became quite fashionable to go for a Caesarean in our times, Mrs. Kirk gives birth on a shuttle while fleeing from the craziest space faring object ever…

There just was no time for an epidural…

216. John from Cincinnati - March 9, 2009

211.

Then I’d guess it’ll be up to Sarek and Amanda to “re-populate” the Vulcan species.

217. P Technobabble - March 9, 2009

Opening day is simply not coming fast enough!!!

218. AJ - March 9, 2009

214:

Liz: Why is Kirk a cadet when he takes command? Cadet uniforms are red, and his colleagues are officers already, as evidenced by their sleeve stripes.

219. Chadwick - March 9, 2009

# 23 yes I noticed the communicator on is belt, I was also analyzing the uniform as it takes place before TOS.

#25 I agree, in the new trailer Nero is one aspect that impressed me the most, way better than the “the wait is over” shot. “I’ve been waiting for this day, Kirk was a great man,” and especially “FIRE EVERYTHING,” Bana has certainly done is duty as a great actor even in those few seconds. Nero is no Shinzon. I think Nero would chew up and spit out Shinzon any day.

#27. Julie, no doubt, I think the Kelvin bridge looks very cool, very industrial.

#28 very clever, you are probably right.

#30 Devon, no doubt the music sounds great! I am letting it play in the background as I post on trekmovie. To bad it’s so short, but sounds great. Star Trek (movies) have always had epic, beautiful music.

#32. Butters, I agree, I mean don’t get me wrong I like the ridges, but I am sick of unbelievable looking aliens. The four aliens (3 types) in the academy shot (one of them on the bridge of E) look very real and convincing.

Regarding the Chekov thing, aside from the age issues, it was never confirmed or denied whether Chekov was on the Enterprise during the first season of TOS, he might have been some poor sap on the lower decks and made the bridge in the second season.

220. Holger - March 9, 2009

214: I think it was in some TNG episode: you can beam the baby out, but many women choose to give birth the natural way. (Check it out on your ipod which episode that was ;-)

The birth seen in the trailer happens under emergency circumstances, I suppose.

221. USS TRINOMA - NCC0278 - March 9, 2009

203. This is a HUGE LEAP OF FAITH!!! But, Mr. Orci explains that canon is preserved through Quantum Mechanics. And he does cite an episode, “Yesterday’s Enterprise” to prove his point. The only thing I have a concern was that when Tasha Yar went back with Enterprise C, it did affect the timeline. Her offspring was born and the Next Gen crew saw it.

222. Spock - March 9, 2009

Ugh… ugh…. UGH… it’s Shinzon all over again. Why?? WHY?!
“That wasch another loife!”. Everytime I hear it I burst into laughter.

The other parts of the film are looking at least respectable now. Looks like Nero isn’t going to be a classic villain though. He’ll be in the same basket as Shinzon and that guy from Insurrection.

223. Remington Steele - March 9, 2009

Ok, this is far down the list and Im likely to get not response but anyone know where to download the new trailer for Windows Media Player like?

All the sites Im looking at are only quicktime downloads.

IGN are normally good for it but nothing up on their site yet…grrrrrr….

224. Remington Steele - March 9, 2009

Oh yeah, trekcore have the music from both trailers if you wanna check it out, pretty swank.

Hilary Swank in fact.

225. John Sullivan - March 9, 2009

I agree with a lot of the naysayers when they complain about Kirk, McCoy, Spock, Chekov, Sulu all being from the same graduating class. We “know” better. In the “other” or “prime” timeline as some call it, McCoy was the “elder statesman” who was out on Capella 4 and other places when Kirk was the young cadet on the USS Republic and Farragut. McCoy never went to the Academy – doctors never do. They come in as staff by direct appointment. The “ring-knockers” in Star Trek end up wearing yellow shirts and are in line for operational assignment to command (e.g. the Academy “line.”) Sulu entered Star Trek as a blue-shirt “staff” astrophysicist, not as a yellow-shirted helmsman. Kirk, about 34 when Season 1 began (per Roddenberry), faces 22-year old Chekov “straight out of the academy” in Season 2. Spock’s “First Command” as he is also a Staff Officer, not a Line Officer, comes in the Galileo 7. (Staff officers are those who enter through a college degree in lieu of the Academy. During Spock’s training on Earth working with Leia Kolmeni (Jill Ireland) he would have perhaps gained a Masters Degree. Also, Spock would have been a rare entry as a graduate of the Vulcan Science Institute into the new Federation Starfleet, although T’Pol would have served aboard a pre-Federation ship perhaps best called Earth’s Starfleet (v. Federation’s Starfleet).

All that aside, I think I’ll watch the movie, and then see how many of my fears are valid. They can change the timeline in a thousand ways, but making everyone the same age is sort of screwing with things a little too much. I do like the depiction of Pike as some sort of a transplanted “Boss/Jetro” from NCIS. He looks more convincing than the whining metrosexual version of Pike we saw before.

226. Steve Short - March 9, 2009

There is a sneak peek of Star Trek tonight on Heroes

227. illogical - March 9, 2009

Shot number 10 above correctly identifies Uhura, Chekov, and McCoy in the Starfleet assembly, but isn’t that obviously Sulu between Uhura and Chekov?

228. thorsten - March 9, 2009

@221…

If you meddle with the timeline, it should have consequences…
This is not the Delta Quadrant ;))

229. Alex Rosenzweig - March 9, 2009

#211 – ‘But the Prime timeline will not be restored.

We are not in JanewayTuvok Reset Button country here.”

Now, granted, I’m not at all convinced that the most extreme changes theorized, like the destruction of Vulcan, will be permanent, but assuming for a moment that they are, and that you are correct, than my response would be, “Then that’s a shame.”

Y’know, it starts getting to be a question of how much is too much, for any entertainment property. Changing the visual representation? Yeah, that’s viable. Changing a character’s backstory that maybe wasn’t ever fully fleshed out? Yeah, okay, perhaps there’s room for that. Changing who the characters are? That’s pushin’ it. Changing the setting(s) too? Okay, why are we even pretending it’s the same property anymore at all?

Based on what we’ve been told, I’m not yet really buying the idea of that level of change coming out of this movie on a permanent basis. Among other things, it would be inconsistent with what we’ve been told is being done here. So I’m not going to go off and condemn the folks involved yet. But if they’re *still* misleading us, and they really do intend to change what Star Trek is to that degree, then, yeah, I’ll have some words after the film comes out.

‘Til then, I’m still on the fence. Skeptical, but willing to be won over. :)

230. weerd1 - March 9, 2009

There has to be some sort of time passing between the academy and the Enterprise scenes. The rank on the sleeves is equal to the old show, and if Chekov, Sulu, and McCoy all graduated the Academy in the same class, they would not be Ensign, Lieutenant, and Lieutenant Commander. Maybe McCoy- he might have some incentive since he came to them with Doctor skills, and get a faster line of promotion. Maybe Sulu is BACK at the academy for some sort of advanced training, like Saavik in TWOK. Understanding the external continuity has changed, I really hope the movie’s INTERNAL continuity is consistent.

231. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#225 John Sullivan: “McCoy never went to the Academy”

In the new film he apparently does. He can be spotted in the academy scene (assembly, K. Maru test; see above), wearing a cadet’s uniform.

232. Holger - March 9, 2009

225: While all these insights into the inner workings of the Academy sound very plausible, that’s not all really canon, is it? Sounds like it’s from novels, but I don’t know.
Yes, Sulu was head of astrosciences in 2265 (blueshirt, of course), Spock said he didn’t take the Kobayashi Maru Test (TWOK), Bones referred to himself as an old country doctor (don’t remember when), and that makes what you say about their careers really plausible, but it wasn’t in the TV show or movies.
Concerning Spock, Amanda told Kirk in Journey to Babel that Sarek was very disappointed Spock did not join the Vulcan Science Academy – of course we don’t know if he meant ‘joined the Academy faculty’ or ‘enrolled’.

233. thorsten - March 9, 2009

@225…

Now that you mention it, as a hardcore canonista I was disgusted by the fact that the “Catsuit of the week” in Enterprise was a Vulcan.
I really wondered how that could happen, because we all know that Spock was the first.

The big difference between Enterprise and STAR TREK is, that the folks creating the movie really love what they do, and went through all the material available on the planet to get it right.

If the individuals responsible for Enterprise would worked with the same level of sophistication, we would not ended up with ye olde Borg in any corner of human history.

234. dalek - March 9, 2009

I think it’s safe to say Delta Vega could conceivably have ice. When Kirk visited in the pilot episode it was definitely a planet with a nasty environment outside the federation complex.

235. Holger - March 9, 2009

225: And given the Federation was founded in 2161, and assuming the Fed Starfleet was established not very long thereafter, the Fed Starfleet isn’t exactly new by the time of the movie. And Vulcans can’t be so exceptional at the Academy, given that the USS Intrepid was manned exclusively by Vulcans in 2267.
(sorry for the multiple post, sometimes I simply post too quickly)

236. Holger - March 9, 2009

233: For all I know it’s fanon that Spock was the first Vulcan who graduated from the Acdemy. I wouldn’t know it was ever mentioned on screen.

237. De Baisch - March 9, 2009

For the Roddenberry visionists:

“I would hope there are bright young people, growing up all the time, who will bring to it [i.e. Trek] levels and areas that were beyond me, and I don’t feel jealous about that at all [...] It’ll go on, without any of us, and get better and better and better, because that’s the . . . that really is the human condition. It’s to improve and improve.”

“‘Oh, that Roddenberry, he was never this good’.”

– Gene Roddenberry, Great Bird of the Galaxy, 1988 – “The Star Trek Saga: From One Generation to the Next”

238. weerd1 - March 9, 2009

233- not meaning to break topic, but how could Spock be the first Vulcan in Starfleet if the Intrepid was manned entirely by Vulcans, at least one of which had to outrank him? Are we to believe that from the time Spock joined the academy in the 2250s, suddenly enough Vulcans joined up to man an entire starship? I know we fans have pushed Spock as the first Vulcan in starfleet for years, but that is never stated in canon, and in fact doesn’t make logical sense in light of the Intrepid.

239. Seany-Wan - March 9, 2009

Moriarity, ( of aintitcoolnews.com) mentioned in a VERY early discussion of this film about Vulcan being destroyed…look it up!

240. tman - March 9, 2009

I’ve got to stop reading this stuff. Too much revealed….

241. Holger - March 9, 2009

233 thorsten: “If the individuals responsible for Enterprise would worked with the same level of sophistication, we would not ended up with ye olde Borg in any corner of human history.”

Sorry, but I don’t quite get it. You don’t like it that the Borg showed up in ENT, even if the events in First Contact (i.e. Borg tampering with the past) provide a perfectly valid explanation for that, but on the other hand you have no problem with the fact that Nero’s manipulations of the timeline result in a complete rearrangement of the Enterprise, it’s construction site, our heroes biographies, ages, etc.?

242. Xai - March 9, 2009

McCoy Joined academy late (med school, residency, etc) and I think Kirk started with Academy, then quit and was encouraged to come back.

I guess I’ll have to wait and find out rather than just call it bs and scoff.

243. thorsten - March 9, 2009

@241…

Right, Holger.
But I never said that I liked First Contact, either, or it’s plot and storytelling.

244. Chadwick - March 9, 2009

#35. Flake ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!

#43 I agree the big E look GREAT, and second point is true, life is full of tragedy, sadly its the best way we humans learn to do the right thing and not repeat our mistakes, this film look chalk full of tragedy.

#44 I general I don’t think time travel, paradoxes, or temporal theories have logical explanations. Science is constantly being tested, retested, theories discovered, and theories disproved. I say to everyone just enjoy the damn movie :)

#47 I agree with the Azati prime episode I also thought the crew of NX 01 was far more realistic than any other Star Trek, they felt the most real, and had the most tragic situations.

#48 No doubt, Romulus is probably going to be destroyed in the 4th countdown comic or very early in the movie.

#50 just because it is post TNG does mean it has to be “Bermanesque.” I don’t need to tell you that there is so many eras that have not been done in Star Trek. There is still a huge chunk of the timeframe between Archer and Kirk, and we can always go into the future.

#51, and 52 for Christ’s sake no one is borrowing from Star Wars, Star Trek has nothing to do with Star Wars. The only ting they “borrowed” was the concept of more action shots and an epic feel. Nothing was DIRECTLY taken from Star Wars, geeze.

#54 sorry that is not Pike.

#56 HEY! Its fun to pick things apart. Would you ask a scientist no to analyze his data and simply accept it? Don’t be a fool, there is a big difference between analyzing and bitching about something. You and a few others are bitching, everyone else is analyzing. Too bad you don’t find it fun.

#57 weird, the Terminator music gave me goose bumps as well, I have always loved that series, but Star Trek gave me goose bumps and made me shout out loud in the theatre “YEA!” “WOOH!” Most people in the theatre were loving it, and I am sure most of them were non Star Trek fans. I bet, everyone here know about new Star Trek cuz I mean Canada…we get everything the States have.

#59…funny I thought that was good but the way he sits down in the seat looks kind of goofy. Oh it sent shivers up my spine in a good way, but still looked goofy.

#60 not just that, but the beginning (for the big E) was actually Archers crew on the NX 01, and even that is not true because Starfleet was around before then. But if the beginning is with regards to the TOS crew (which it is) than this is indeed the beginning. For if reality or the time line changes, who is to say that is not they way it was mean to happen.

#64. Databrain sorry your are wrong, sadly because in this capitalist world if it does not make money it will die, and Star Trek deserves to live. I don’t see any lost philosophy in this movie, I just see some action added which is not a bad thing, I have always wanted more action in Star Trek AND THAT DOES NOT MEAN that Star Trek has to loose it moral side. Are you telling me that DS9 or Nemesis were like TOS? You have to be nuts, those are huge changes, and this is just another change and another step. THIS MOVE IS STAR TREK. Even Gene Roddenberry out of HIS OWN MOUTH said he wanted it to be done bigger and better one day. Sorry Databrain, you are contradicting Star Trek. It has a right to change and to survive. I think..no…I am sure this movie will surprise everyone who sees it. We will expect an action movie and we will be given that but we will also have a rich story full of morality and good, and THAT is what will entertain and surprise people. The special effects are an added bonus that I very much welcome.

245. krikzil (aka Lixy) - March 9, 2009

“Liz: Why is Kirk a cadet when he takes command? Cadet uniforms are red, and his colleagues are officers already, as evidenced by their sleeve stripes.”

AJ–Cadet or ensign, I just think it’s an odd and unbelievable plot line. Especially since he apparently is snuck on by McCoy.

thorsten — no painkillers in the emergency medical kit on the shuttle? ;) It’s like in Star Wars when Leia is giving birth in agony and they are all just standing around. Incredible technology but let the little women scream! ack. I’m not of the opinion — and none of you men would be either if you had to have a baby — that “natural” childbirth need also include all the pain!

Catsuits! Ug. I happened to have liked both actresses and really disliked that they were sexed up in the catsuits. No logical purpose; just eye candy for the young (and older) laddies.

246. Holger - March 9, 2009

243 thorsten: Good point. But it seems to me that the time travel plot in the new movie will be similar to the plot in FC. Don’t you agree?

247. John Sullivan - March 9, 2009

231 – I agree that IN THIS FILM he does. As I said, what can always be argued is the details in the timeline. I mean, I can only imagine that Nero’s first words to young Kirk are “And you think humans and Romulans won’t meet face to face until Stardate 1704.2,” and broadcast to every Vulcan radio set, “do you believe in Time travel yet?” But crunching everyone from different ages into one Academy graduating class … sort of makes it all look like Starship Troopers to me, and not Starship Heroes. But as I said, if they really work hard (and it looks like they have) I can just about go anywhere JJ wants to take us on this ride.

248. thorsten - March 9, 2009

@246…

No, actually I think it will be different this time…
with real consequences. A more mature approach to the whole topic.

It makes sense to blow up Vulcan, storytellingwise.
The emotional impact on the audience would not be big enough if it were some backwater colony. This is more like… Alderaan!

Just kidding ;))

249. John from Cincinnati - March 9, 2009

Is it possible McCoy didn’t spend an entire 4 years at SFA but did spend some time as in an Officer Candidate School? To get acquainted with Starfleet regulations.

250. Alex Rosenzweig - March 9, 2009

#233, 236 – “For all I know it’s fanon that Spock was the first Vulcan who graduated from the Acdemy. I wouldn’t know it was ever mentioned on screen.”

It wasn’t.

The idea came from something that was written in very early pre-TOS publicity materials, but it never made it to screen.

251. John from Cincinnati - March 9, 2009

This new Star Trek movie is going to be everything the Star Wars prequels weren’t.

252. shane - March 9, 2009

dunno if its been mentioned already trekmovie but isnt that sulu in between uhura and chekov in pic 12. hmmmm

253. thorsten - March 9, 2009

I always expected the USS Intrepid to be a Starship that was lent to the Vulcan Science Academy, and not to be a Starship fully embedded in Starfleet.

Amanda said in “Babel”
“My husband has nothing against Starfleet.
But Vulcans believe that peace should not depend on force.”

254. NaradaAlpha - March 9, 2009

#16 and #17–you’re forgetting 2 very important tgings– first, Pike probably ‘greased the wheels’ to get kirk in, and second, wesley, genius though he was, didnt have a father who died saving 800 people in his first 12 minutes of command

255. section9 - March 9, 2009

What, no mitochondrions?

256. Alex Rosenzweig - March 9, 2009

#251 – ‘This new Star Trek movie is going to be everything the Star Wars prequels weren’t.”

I’ll say this much… Some of the rumors are already making me look at the Star Wars prequels more fondly. ;)

Obviously we can’t judge on rumor, but I never expected I would be this uncomfortable and disturbed about a Trek movie.

257. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#250: “The idea came from something that was written in very early pre-TOS publicity materials, but it never made it to screen.”

Irrelevant, because by definition that’s not canon. And besides, nobody should care about what some TV advertising grunt once wrote.

258. Mazzer - March 9, 2009

I noticed the trailer shows that the nacelle fronts do appear to glow blue and have a translucent look.

259. ENGON - March 9, 2009

It’s an alternate time line. Anything is possible!

Say, isn’t one of those cadets T.J. Hooker?

260. Alex Rosenzweig - March 9, 2009

#257 – “#250: “The idea came from something that was written in very early pre-TOS publicity materials, but it never made it to screen.”

Irrelevant, because by definition that’s not canon. And besides, nobody should care about what some TV advertising grunt once wrote.”

Not irrelevant at all, ’cause that’s my point. :) The idea that Spock was the first Vulcan in StarFleet isn’t canon, and never has been. I was just citing the genesis of the idea, not arguing that it has any standing.

261. weerd1 - March 9, 2009

253- A very viable theory, or perhaps even once Vulcan got over itself, this was something of a Starfleet affirmative action program; regardless, we don’t know and having a Vulcan in the fleet before Spock does not actually violate canon.

Now- the Romulans having a Cloaking Device on Enterprise was just BS…

262. Kirk's Girdle - March 9, 2009

re: 5 Alex Resenzweig

I was wondering the same thing about Delta Vega. It seems like a little piece on continuity name-dropping which can backfire since Trekkies know that Delta Vega is pretty much the last gas station before the great barrier.

263. Mammalian Verisimilitude - March 9, 2009

116> But he wouldn’t be genetically identical to Chekov if that happened. He would be named “Pavel” but would be equivalent to a sibling of the original Chekov. When each sperm and egg are first formed in the bodies of the parents (and sperm and eggs only live a short amount of time, remember, they are periodically replenished) meiosis randomly shuffles the genes, so each one is unique. That’s why siblings aren’t identical, even though they have the same parents.
>
> Only one specific sperm and one specific egg made at a specific time in each parent could have joined to form the original Chekov.

And? Does this guy look absolutely identical to the original Chekov? No? There you go then :p

264. S. John Ross - March 9, 2009

#244: How do you know?

265. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#260 (A.R.) Sorry for not being precise enough. I meant it as an addition to your post, not as a critique. :)

266. The Quickening - March 9, 2009

50, 51
The last thing Paramount needs to be thinking about, or doing right now is another TV series! Hopefully, if the movie is a hit, we’ll just get movies for a while to keep interest in the film series alive, and more importantly, keep people hungry for TREK–something that isn’t going to happen if it’s easily accessible or free on television.

267. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#266 (Quickening): You seem to forget that a TV series activates new audiences for a theatrical franchise and vice versa.

268. Charles Trotter - March 9, 2009

Nice work! Quick question, though, isn’t that Sulu (John Cho) between Uhura and Chekov in the Academy scene?

Also, it’s Uhura who gives Spock a hug, not the other way around. :)

And holy crap, never realized there was corpse floating in space there. Also didn’t realize that was George Kirk who was thrown into the screen.

Thanks for this! :)

269. Alex Rosenzweig - March 9, 2009

#265 – “#260 (A.R.) Sorry for not being precise enough. I meant it as an addition to your post, not as a critique. :) ”

Ahh, okay. ‘s all cool. :)

#266 – ‘The last thing Paramount needs to be thinking about, or doing right now is another TV series!”

Agreed here. See, one reason the film franchise foundered the last time (not the only one, but a significant one) was that Trek went back to TV. Look at the overall box office numbers with figures adjusted for inflation. The first four films are very high, and then the floor drops out and they never again see those levels, even with critically-acclaimed and fan-appreciated films. What divides the two groups of films? Trek comes back to TV.

270. Jote - March 9, 2009

Schultz: there hardly is any resemblance to the original TOS theme. Three subsequent notes (C#, Eb, F), maybe. But that’s REALLY REALLY far-fetched. Certainly no chord progression is involved in the alleged resemblance.

Anyhow, the music is dull and generic, I’m disappointed.

271. Valar1 - March 9, 2009

@267

That theory didn’t hold up well for STV or STNemesis. In both instances the TV audiences for Trek didn’t show up to the theaters.

272. Alex Rosenzweig - March 9, 2009

#267 – “You seem to forget that a TV series activates new audiences for a theatrical franchise and vice versa.”

The problem is that the historical record doesn’t seem to bear that out. The synergy you’re suggesting didn’t seem to happen so much the last time.

Maybe this time, if we do end up with two entirely different continuities, it might work, because one could do a series set in one continuity and films set in the other, but even then, it might not work as smoothly as hoped, especially if fans of one “style” don’t cross over to the other.

273. NC Trekker - March 9, 2009

They could have just not included Chekov and I don’t think anyone would have complained.

I hope there is a good reason to have the entire crew in the academy at the same time. It doesn’t make sense.

274. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

#266 “The last thing Paramount needs to be thinking about, or doing right now is another TV series”

A TV series is needed but, as you say, not right now. Let’s have a good trilogy of TOS movies, and let’s see what direction this new timeline is taking.

275. krikzil (aka Lixy) - March 9, 2009

I’m not sure the films dropped off because of there being Trek on TV. I think it was that there was just too much Trek and viewer fatigue set in. I was actually fatigued by the time Enterprise and Nemesis rolled around and didn’t give them the chance I’d given others. Additionally,. TNG’s audience was aging and losing interest also. I noticed the dropoff in younger folks at cons.

276. The Quickening - March 9, 2009

#267
Perhaps some. Most have the good sense to stay off television with a high quality product. Why expect your audience to pay for something at the theater when they can get it for free on television?

277. Admiral_BlackCat - March 9, 2009

Excellent shot-by-shot yet again Anthony and crew!!
Way too much to say about everything.
Off the top of my head, dead body floaring in space, gritty. I mean, we’ve seen crewmen/hostiles sucked into the vaccuum of space before, but to encounter a body just floating out there, wow.
Still love that brief Spock/Uhura hug, so much conflict and confuse is written on Quinto Spocks face in that moment. Great job Zachary.

278. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#270 (Jote):

I already wrote that the harmonies (and tones of the melody) in itself are different. I don’t think that Giacchino wants to share too much of the royalties with Courage’s heirs. But a composition is more than just notes and chords, and we find structural similarities (melody consisting of motifs going up and then down again across one bar), rhythmic ones (the triplets: 1/8 vs 1/4) and clear parallels, like both melodies going for the fourth as the high note, then just below the root, both using flat auxiliary harmonies.

279. frederick - March 9, 2009

Nice nod to ST:TMP in there, with Sulu’s warp speed throttle.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XNPD380IpBQ/SNGodPOYMpI/AAAAAAAACe0/aFqRsZa2V6U/s1600-h/P74_20_Helm.jpg

280. Walt Kozlowski - March 9, 2009

What is the Narada exactly? Looks organic but don’t recall Romulans using such ships.You think the mode of time traveling has something to do with it?

281. James Kirk's Unknown Son - March 9, 2009

#270. Jote – March 9, 2009, wrote:

“…the music is dull and generic….”

I agree to a point. The music I am hearing on the movie’s official site, though not bad, and I would nbot classify it as dull, it does not seem particularly inspired, at least not at this point. Maybe after I’ve heard it a few hundred times, I’ll be saying something different. It also might help to have visual images along with it.

I do not hear any resemblance whatsoever to Courage’s original piece, or for that matter, any other Star Trek musical piece before it. So I guess in terms of originality, I would score it fairly high.

Having said that, I have involuntarily memorized parts of it, so maybe one its virtues is that it may be memorable.

282. Third Remata'Klan - March 9, 2009

You pointed out Uhura, Chekov and McCoy in that Starfleet Academy shot.

Isn’t that also John Cho’s Sulu in the middle bottom of the shot?

Awesome! Thanks, Anthony!

283. frederick - March 9, 2009

281,

I’m hoping it’s just an incidental piece of background music and not indicative any any main theme. As a theme it’s plain and forgettable. Maybe they’re just teasing us with some background music that’s not heard much.

284. Jake - March 9, 2009

In the Academy shot pointing out Uhura, Chekov and McCoy, I’d just like to throw my two cents in and propose that that’s Sulu between Uhura and Chekov…

285. CaptainRickover - March 9, 2009

# 267:

I don’t think, the Trek movies failed because of TNG. First Contact was a sucess in the dimensions like Star Trek IV. I think TFF failed because of it’s lack of quality. It was indeed a weird and horrible movie, bad executed with creepy and cheap SFX. TUC then was never noticed by many people, because of TFF (“what, another ST-movie? AHH! Not again!”) not because of TNG’s existing. GEN was also a weird and horrible movie (I remember, that I shrunked in my seat and beeing asahmed to be a fan for every two minutes) but FC was a sucess again, because it had action, suspense and some great special effects. INS and NEM failed because of it’s tv-dimensions. Small sets, low budget, bad SFX, lame stories. After the sucess von Episode 1, Paramount should have invested another 80 millions in Nemesis and beat the hell out of the story. But they thought, they can have a sucess for low costs.

From the same reasons VOY and ENT failed. They never changend anything from TNG to VOY. VOY was for the most parts a very conservative, boring show. They never tried anything new. DSN was far better and as far as I know, better received by the critics as VOY or ENT. Berman & Braga never tried something new after TNG, they repeated the same old stories over and over again. The same happend with ENT. The pilot was well received and a major sucess in tv, but after that it went into the ground. Why? Because it repeated the same TNG/VOY-stories again. It was an old-style show, a relic of the 80’s. No fast cuts, no great action, stunts or storytwists. Everyone ran to SG-1, 24, Alias or something else – because that shows were far more entertaining back in 2002. When Enterprise changed and getting better in season 3 and 4 – it was already too late.

I think, a new series of movies based on the new one an a new tv-show, with an entire new look and a new cast could exist together AND beeing sucessfull.

# 276
That argument is illogical. If it’s a great movie, I’ll go and pay and I’ll also watch a fine tv-show.

286. Daoud - March 9, 2009

Doesn’t quite look like Sulu, but could be.

BTW, perhaps what we see destroyed is Vulcan’s Moon. ;) That would solve that old continuity yarn. :)

287. redbellpeppers - March 9, 2009

24- “So… Older Spock… Dies?”

It looks like that to me as well… unless he beams out at the last minute.

288. Nicodemus - March 9, 2009

Just a niggling nitpick: Uhura’s giving Spock a hug, and Spock is responding with something between shock and confusion over how to properly respond.

289. AqAZAr - March 9, 2009

89. I have this page open from a while ago, so this might have been said already, but it’s possible that the Kelvin’s compliment was not only saved, but that of another starship or two that could have escaped.

290. Schultz - March 9, 2009

#287

Sure he beams out. His ship is from the TNG era, and his transporters should be functioning properly. :)

291. trekker_in_ABQ - March 9, 2009

#288 what’s the nitpick? Your take is exactly how I see it too. Looks like perfect Spock acting to me in just that little bit.

Is anyone else a little disappointed to see wheels on Kirk’s bike? I was hoping that it some kind of hover-vehicle.

292. Jefferies Tuber - March 9, 2009

I just listened to the music on startrekmovie.com.

Uhhhh…. daaaah…… is that Star Trek music? Where are the bongos?

That sounds like ‘Music to Stir Coffee By.’

293. Jeyl - March 9, 2009

“We’ve received a distress signal.”

Don’t you mean:

“We get signal.”

294. Thomas - March 9, 2009

114. Josh

I like Star Trek: Duck and Cover.

295. captain_neill - March 9, 2009

Destroying Vulcan?

Damn JJ for screwing more things up

Is this suppose to honour the fans or sh*t on us?

296. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

#291 “Is anyone else a little disappointed to see wheels on Kirk’s bike? I was hoping that it some kind of hover-vehicle.”

Maybe hover technology is restricted to istitutional vehicles (police, military, and so on). Maybe it’s too expensive for civilians. Maybe Kirk likes wheels, as someone is more comfortable with manual gear.

297. captain_neill - March 9, 2009

This is not our Star Trek which is a shame.

I will watch it and hope I will love the film but it is such a shame that JJ has made these changes.

I choose to ignore any of this film as canon now and will accept it as a universe B.

298. Jordan - March 9, 2009

It would be fitting for the elder Spock to sacrifice his own life to save Kirk’s, since Kirk sacrificed so much (the Enterprise, his own son) to save Spock in Trek 3, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case in this film. Elder Spock probably explains all of this to the young Kirk on that frozen planet.

Let’s just hope that the movie’s score is as powerful as the music used in trailer #3! I still can’t stop watching it!

299. Jeyl - March 9, 2009

#296: Maybe it’s too expensive for civilians.

I thought money didn’t exist in Star Trek around Kirk’s time.

300. Eric - March 9, 2009

Was it just me, or did the trailer music sound a little like Batman Begins?

301. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

#299 “I thought money didn’t exist in Star Trek around Kirk’s time.”

Oh, come on. That’s a nice fairy tale ;)

302. cd - March 9, 2009

292-what you said.

Wow, that music is very disappointing. I hope that is not part of the music from the movie.

303. spoiler - March 9, 2009

We find out at the very end the entire movie was Kirk’s Kobayashi Maru simulation

304. The Governator - March 9, 2009

302. cd

Interesting. As a musician, I thought the music was very good. Now, if its the main theme for the movie, then yeah, I’ll be disappointed, but I don’t think it will be. As background music for the movie though, I think it would work quite nicely depending on the situation.

305. The Quickening - March 9, 2009

164, 199

The destruction of Vulcan may or may not take place. If so, what’s to stop Spock, Kirk and company from going back and creating a timeline where Vulcan is saved? Also, how do we know Spock is in that time-ship? Ship could be on autopilot and he is beamed out. Find it too redundant to believe Abrams and co. would have Spock die a second time in the same movie series.

306. Paulaner - March 9, 2009

#304 “As a musician, I thought the music was very good.”

I agree. Clearly it’s not meant to be a main theme. As background music it’s soothing, emotional and delightfully reminiscent of the Trek theme in some chords progression, as someone pointed out.

307. The Quickening - March 9, 2009

#285
… That argument is illogical. If it’s a great movie, I’ll go and pay and I’ll also watch a fine tv-show.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but illogical or not, high grossing franchises like Harry Potter, James Bond, Pirates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man, and Star Wars have avoided concurrently running TV series and for good reason.

308. The Quickening - March 9, 2009

#130

(#127)
… “I think the team that did the opening battle of Revenge of the Sith tackled this one.”…

I hope not. That was a confusing mess.

LOL! I gotta give you a high-five for that one!

#214
That does bring up a good point: What is Kirk’s motivation for sneaking abroad the ship anyway? He realizes a trap is being set, but I thought I read somewhere he discovers that onboard. Maybe he just wants to be a part of the rescue effort. Any other guesses?

309. Doug is home (at long last) - March 9, 2009

All this supposition is fun, however, some of the flaming is not.

While it is certainly exciting trying to predict what is going to happen (based on the glimpses we see in these trailers), but when it all comes down to it, no one really knows anything for sure until we see the final product come May (and boy oh boy, I cannot wait!).

The media folks at Paramount are truly genius… letting us drum up all this interest before the movie even comes out.

Some wonder if we’ll see another TV series. Personally, I think it unwise to have both a TV and movie franchise co-existing at the same time. I think too many trips to the well (simultaneously) only serves to weaken the ability to succeed.

Let’s face it… The Star Trek franchise really depends on this movie.

Clearly, Paramount has a vested interested in protecting the franchise. Why else would they be willing to spend so much on one film (Berman et al have to be envious of the budget being alloted for this film)?

If ST: XI fails, it will be a long time before we see another flm or TV series. I, for one, think this film will knock everyone’s sock off!

310. Doug is home (at long last) - March 9, 2009

#309: and socks too (oops)

311. Stroud - March 9, 2009

180. section9 – March 9, 2009
This whole “Spock as Kal-El” thing is a bit overdone. Methinks they’re keeping him around as a latter-day Gandalf.
——

Me thinks Star Trek would suck without Spock.

312. rob - March 9, 2009

im getting concerned, cause I havnt seen any indication that singing space hippies are in it, or at least some midgets riding Kirks back while he makes like a pony.

Thats all the kids talk about these days..space hippies and midgets. They cant get enough of them! the film will fail without them!

313. Stroud - March 9, 2009

What about antenae bobbing Andorians? ;)

314. Chronic_Pon_farr - March 9, 2009

Cannon Geeks, Get this inside your head!

Events are different in this timeline because SpockPrime changed events in the past, so that the enterprise will not be destroyed during the attack on San Francisco, so that the 22nd Century Science vessel Enterprise will have a chance againts a 24th Century Romulan Squidship Narada.

Pike also gets paralyzed and deformed as a result of his abduction.

This is also a reboot. Accept it. Love it. Enjoy it.

315. krikzil (aka Lixy) - March 9, 2009

#309–Glad you are AT HOME Doug!!!!!

#308–“That does bring up a good point: What is Kirk’s motivation for sneaking abroad the ship anyway? He realizes a trap is being set, but I thought I read somewhere he discovers that onboard. Maybe he just wants to be a part of the rescue effort. Any other guesses?”

I have no idea but I’m very curious.

316. Dr Bob - March 9, 2009

#230 – “There has to be some sort of time passing between the academy and the Enterprise scenes. The rank on the sleeves is equal to the old show, and if Chekov, Sulu, and McCoy all graduated the Academy in the same class, they would not be Ensign, Lieutenant, and Lieutenant Commander.”

Except that in TWOK we see Saavik is a cadet and also a Lieutentant, so it must be possible in Starfleet to graduate from the Academy already with a rank higher than Ensign.

There’s also dialogue in TOS to suggest that Kirk held the rank of lieutenant at the academy, or graduated with that rank (“Where No Man Has Gone Before” and “A Private Little War”).

It may not be possible in our current military, but who says Starfleet works the same way? Maybe you can attend the academy and graduate already holding the rank of Lt or Lt Cmrd? Not sure if that makes much sense, but it’s not actually contradicted by or inconsistent with TOS or the TOS movies.

317. Carlg - March 9, 2009

@295: Like Vulcan’s going to stay destroyed. It’s been said repeatedly that this movie jumps around time-wise.

@312: Don’t forget the three gangster planets and a cowboy world! What will Trek be without these crucial elements?!

318. Carlg - March 9, 2009

Oh yeah, that is a gorgeous piece of music, too. :)

Michael Giacchino is going to rock our universe.

319. USS TRINOMA - NCC-0278 - March 9, 2009

305. I do hope it is not Vulcan. I am just observing the trailers scenes and trying to piece it all together. But Vulcan being destroyed would be the way to both preserve canon of old, and yet create a whole new timeline and canon of new. I believe Mr. Orci was trying to please both crowds by discussing Quantum Mechanics. I don’t mind an alternative timeline. I mean, c’mon, don’t we have a mirror universe too? Star Trek Prime (as I like to call it) will always be there. And canon will always be intact. But, if we are to believe in a “MULTIVERSE,” is it possible that there could be more than just one canon. It’s like monotheism vs. polytheism. Should we believe in only one canon? Or is it possible to have other canons because of the alternate timeline or timelines?

I would like all trekkers to really think about it. Are we supposed to believe in just one canon, or is it possible to create other canons as well, without altering “Canon Prime” ?

320. RetroWarbird - March 9, 2009

I think it’s reasonable to have Kirk, Chekov and McCoy in the Academy at the same time, so long as the age difference between them remains the same. After all, you don’t have to be 18 to join Starfleet. You could join it in your mid 20’s like Kirk seems to, or in your early 30’s like McCoy.

Or of course, it’s possible that medical training takes longer and McCoy has been there a while, or something along those lines. Chekov is a bit of a hard line on that one, since he didn’t even join the cast until Space Seed (technically).

But anyway, not everybody enlists on their 18th birthday. And a lot of that might get swept under the rug anyway, with the words “trainee crew” … events of the movie might get them merits and bring them together in a way that wouldn’t happen in a standard situation.

It’ll be interesting to see how it works out, but considering that Kirk and McCoy are graduating as officers, seemingly, and Chekov only as an ensign, there could be a difference in lengths of training.

321. Alex Rosenzweig - March 9, 2009

#316 – “Except that in TWOK we see Saavik is a cadet and also a Lieutentant, so it must be possible in Starfleet to graduate from the Academy already with a rank higher than Ensign.

There’s also dialogue in TOS to suggest that Kirk held the rank of lieutenant at the academy, or graduated with that rank (”Where No Man Has Gone Before” and “A Private Little War”).”

Well, we could apply Occam’s razor… The most likely answer, taking into account the experience of the writers and the comparable institutions in reality, is that StarFleet Academy has graduate colleges and specialty schools, probably including a Command School. That’s much less of a reach than suddenly assuming that the Academy is issuing significant officer grades to cadets before they even complete their coursework.

322. Maximus - March 9, 2009

I’m pretty sure Sulu (John Cho) is in between Uhura and Chekov in the Academy picture.

323. Harry Ballz - March 9, 2009

If Vulcan does blow up, is JJ trying to make the new Spock the last survivor of a doomed planet? In the sequel do we have Spock dressed up in blue tights with a big “S” on his chest?

“Look, up in the sky! Is it a bird, is it a plane? No, it’s Spockman!”

324. krikzil (aka Lixy) - March 9, 2009

Funny Harry. Remember, JJ didn’t get to make his Superman movie….

325. RD - March 9, 2009

WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL DEBATING CANON!?

THIS MOVIE IS A REBOOT!!!!!! ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN NOW!!!!

CANON IS DEAD!!!!

Everything that happens in this movie now is the way it is IN THIS NEW UNIVERSE. Everything you know is still safe and sound in the OLD UNIVERSE. By all means voice your criticisms, but for gods sake, stop questioning how something can possibly be. In this universe everything has changed (thank you BOB ORCI), whether subtly or substantially and that’s simply how it is. I KNOW we have all been LIED to, but just accept that and move on.

Also, THERE WILL BE A LOGICAL EXPLANATION FOR EVERYTHING in the context OF THIS UNIVERSE, it just won’t be applicable to everything you already know. Pretend it’s 1966 and seeing it for the first time, that’s the only way to enjoy it. That and of course contrasting it to TOS.

326. Harry Ballz - March 9, 2009

#324

Of course, if Spock were the new Superman, he wouldn’t wear the cape. The reason? There’s no logical explanation for wearing a cape!

327. GaryS - March 9, 2009

I am AMAZED how many people are accepting the destruction of Vulcan as fact before the movie is even OUT!
NOTHING has happened yet!
I choose to view the film in context AFTER I have seen it.

328. Ryan - March 9, 2009

#327 – I would assume that’s why Uhura is hugging Spock. She’s consoling him.

329. Harry Ballz - March 9, 2009

#327

We’re not saying Vulcan DOES blow up, we’re just………spitballin’.

330. Ryan - March 9, 2009

I like how one the guys who beats Kirk up in the bar, gives him the WTF look when Kirk boards the shuttle.

You can see it at 1:45. The guy is in the bottom right corner.

331. Alex Rosenzweig - March 9, 2009

#327 – “I am AMAZED how many people are accepting the destruction of Vulcan as fact before the movie is even OUT!”

I think that, partly, it’s because it’s a hot-button issue for many. You’re absolutely right, it may not happen, or it may happen in a timeline that’s eventually “adjusted” into whatever the final version is, and thus may not be an issue in what comes out of this movie.

But, let’s face it, Vulcan and its people have been very important in many ways to Star Trek fans for a very long time. We’re protective of it, in some ways, and the idea that that world might be annihilated is…well…upsetting.

Of course, that tells us that we are responding emotionally to the threat posed in the movie, which isn’t a bad thing. It does raise the stakes.

But here’s a thought, too… The stakes of this movie, as advertised, are the very fate of space and time as we know it. Should one really believe that those stakes will be set and our heroes won’t be at least mostly successful in putting things right? many years ago, when people were reacting to the title of “Star Trek III”, the response was, “Could you really imagine going on a search for Spock and not finding him?” In this case, the stakes are bigger, but a failure to set things at least mostly right would mean that our heroes–especially Spock–fail. Do we really think the writers would tell a story about Spock failing?

It’s that logic, along with the fact that Mr. Abrams, among others, has suggested that things will sort of synch up to TOS, that makes me think that, in the end, it’ll probably work out, though of course there will be differences. It’ll likely be a fix, but not a perfect fix.

I could be wrong, of course, but I think that’s something worth considering.

332. colonyearth - March 9, 2009

Heard the Giachinno piece at the official site and I have to say it’s a wonderful mix of Horner’s score and the original with just a dash of Goldsmith! He said that Horner’s ST II score was the best and he captured the feel of it while making it seem larger and all the time keeping the optimistic feel of the TOS theme ever close at hand. This score, like this film, is gonna ROCK!

333. wolf359 - March 9, 2009

As a Trek fan from day one ( I remember the first broadcast of “Man Trap”….lol) I’ve been pretty excited about this movie from the begining. The canges in “cannon” didn’t really upset me….. after all what made Trek so amazing to us long time fans, was a vision of a unified earth. That was a pretty brave belief for a time when the cold war was still raging and “duck and cover” was still being drilled in the school. But come on….. the destruction of Vulcan. That is a bit much for many of us to swallow without getting pretty choked up. I love the trailer…. have watched it a least 50 times….. but if this new word of trek comes at the expense of the death of the Vulcan home world….. the sages of the Federation…. the cost is too high. Its like riping the soul out of the ethos. I hope it isn’t so.

334. AJ - March 9, 2009

I had a “breakthrough” moment with my six-year-old son today. He’s never really liked Trek, being more of a nascent Star Wars fan.

I showed him the new trailer today for the first time, and after Kirk takes command, he asked, “daddy, is that the first time he sits in that chair?”

Priceless. I never knew he was paying attention!

335. StelArian - March 9, 2009

Oh God! What is happening here?!?!?!

I experience so strong emotions from the 4 minutes of both trailers, I haven’t feel 40 years as Star Trek fan! What? We are going to have a heart attack or a stroke watching the movie?

You give us a VERY big promise for this movie with all this JJ. I really hope to deliver :-)

336. Mr. Zoom - March 9, 2009

#293:

Main screen turn on!

337. AJ - March 9, 2009

335:

StelArian:

You may have a point. They should have ambulances outside the cinemas for all of us old farts who have heart attacks during the film from sensory overload.

Just make sure you are well-tranquilized for the Nimoy scenes.

338. ENGON - March 9, 2009

#336

Somebody set up us the bomb.

339. Splungeman - March 9, 2009

Databrain,

I don’t quite understand how you believe this film is not going to be faithful to Roddenberry’s “vision”. He was an optimist about the future, true, but that didn’t stop him from allowing his original series characters to engage in battles and brawls. It seems like someone was knocked out or karate chopped at least once in every episode. You seem to be evaluating that this movie will not be true Trek based solely upon the trailer’s depiction of action sequences. Trailers are designed to be exciting, therefore, they tend to show action sequences. Roddenberry was an idealist, but he also understood show business. Personally I still find a bit of the Roddenberry optimism present in the trailer. The movie seems to explore the idea that a person’s spirit and ability can rise above any difficulty. Despite what the villains do to Kirk’s past in this movie, Kirk still rises to the top, a shining example of human potential. I think Gene would approve. :)

340. USS TRINOMA - NCC-0278 - March 9, 2009

331. You know what, I will just wait for May 8th. I like these trailers, especially the latest. The reasons I have said before was because I was just observing the various scenes in those trailers. And alot of questions were on my mind as I was watching the latest trailer.

All I can say is that Star Trek is back. And even Gene Roddenberry understood that one day someone will make a better “Star Trek” than him. If Gene, the very creator, can understand and accept that his creation may be tweaked for the good of the business, so why not us accept and understand too? In other words, if Gene gave his blessings, who are we to question? Let’s just enjoy this ride!!!

341. ENGON - March 9, 2009

To me, at least, the last part of the music playing on startrekmovie.com seems to be referencing Jerry Goldsmith’s score for “Nemesis.” Perhaps the beating snares and tom-toms are just supposed to be the Romulan motif.

342. Spock - March 9, 2009

“And even Gene Roddenberry understood that one day someone will make a better “Star Trek” than him.”

I won’t hold my breath!

343. McCoy - March 9, 2009

334. “daddy, is that the first time he sits in that chair?”

Oh my goodness. Uh, no it’s the first time Alternate Kirk set in the chair son.

344. Canon Schmanon - March 9, 2009

Having grown up with TOS, I’m so glad to see them changing things. Frankly, they probably haven’t changed enough. Trek had become so wan and lifeless, or even embarrassing. None of the series was immune to horribleness, not even the vaunted TOS. View Season 3 in case you question me.

So I say to hell with canon, to hell with how old Chekov is supposed to be, to hell with where Enterprise is supposed to be built, to hell with it all. Somebody needs to breathe life back into this Trek corpse, and they aren’t going to do it by pleasing a very small minority of fans who feel way too much ownership over their favorite show.

xoxoxoxo

345. StelArian - March 10, 2009

Star Trek is an idea…

Also God is an idea. Communism is an idea. Superman is an idea. Lord of the Rings is an idea. Foundation is an idea. Capitalism is an idea. Religion is a lot of ideas. Star Wars is also an idea! Even life it self is an idea. In general, there are a lot of ideas out there!

Who ever thinks he knows his idea better than the other… simple… he doesn’t have any idea!

346. Paulaner - March 10, 2009

#345 “Who ever thinks he knows his idea better than the other… simple… he doesn’t have any idea!”

Better post ever.

347. ENGON - March 10, 2009

“Ooooh! He card read good!”

348. Harry Ballz - March 10, 2009

#345

Okay, okay………….we get the idea!

349. Chris Pike - March 10, 2009

…just thinking…we saw SF being aimed at with Nero’s drill weapon, I wonder if, with the time travel element, they had some fore knowledge and thus built the new advanced E in “secret” on the ground safely away from SF – maybe Nero was aiming at what he thought to be the starship shipyards??

350. thorsten - March 10, 2009

@349…

No, Chris, Neros ultimate goal was the Presidio… and ILM!

351. MatthewNotMatt - March 10, 2009

#325
“WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL DEBATING CANON!?

THIS MOVIE IS A REBOOT!!!!!! ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN NOW!!!!

CANON IS DEAD!!!!”

I think that some people (and to a degree I include myself) are having problem with this because the ‘Countdown’ comic links in with the TNG world. The writers of that have worked with the films team and script so it is part of the film, and the end of the comic is supposed to lead straight into the movie.

If they had just started again, with a complete clean sheet then I think it would be easier for people to accept.

If you’re going to include elements from the TNG world of trek (and that includes Spock being on Romulus) people are going to say that it doesn’t follow canon.

352. Holger - March 10, 2009

266, 269: I disagree here. IMO the movies have always been a lot weaker than Star Trek on TV (well, except for TMP and Voyager). Seems to me the requirements of the big screen do no good to Trek.
I don’t know why, but the movies seem to suffer from bad writing.

353. Chris Pike - March 10, 2009

350 thorsten, lol – almost need a translation there though as I’m a Brit!

354. Thasc - March 10, 2009

I love that McCoy seems to be mouthing ‘What?!’ as Kirk sits down.

355. thorsten - March 10, 2009

@353…

Ah, well, Chris, you know, Krauts and english!
;))

356. McCoy - March 10, 2009

352

I think TV is ultimately a better platform for Trek but we’ve had too many years in a row of essentially the same Trek formula (ship in space encounters new stuff). ‘Enterprise’ really should have been called “Starfleet” and set anywhere and everywhere other than a ship, Until the final episode where we see April take charge of the Enterprise for the first time. Different formula.

We are now in a rest period that has been incorrectly identified as a death and need for reboot.

357. Closettrekker - March 10, 2009

#16—“Also, It takes Kirk one night to both decide to go and then get into the Academy? ”

It is my understanding that by the time Pike convinces Kirk to go, he has already taken the entrance exam and scored rather high. Who knows how much time has passed? Presumably, Kirk was already accepted, and the decision not to report had been a personal one.

And I agree wholeheartedly with Shawn P (post #19).

Please do not compare James Tiberius Kirk with Wesley Crusher…

#26—My guess is that Chekov is much younger than the average cadet while Kirk’s entry into SFA has been delayed due to the timeline incursion. I read somewhere that he is 25 when he enters the Academy in ST09. Chekov was 22 years old in “The Apple”, while Kirk was 34 years old in “The Deadly Years”. Although both are second season episodes, it is never clear how much time has passed between the events depicted in each.

If they are indeed, as Memory Alpha suggests—12 years apart, that would mean that Pavel Chekov must have entered SFA at age 13. Either that, or Chekov completes his time there in a shorter period. There is also the possibility that they are not in the same graduating class.

I think I will see what explanation the film’s story allows, but it does seem a bit problematic. But let’s be honest—we have seen far worse!

358. USS TRINOMA - NCC-0278 - March 10, 2009

Imagine, if Elder Spock is on that suicide mission scene, would he transmit his “katra” to young Kirk, since young Kirk and Elder Spock would meet on that icy planet? He did it to McCoy when he knew he was going to die in TWOK. It would be interesting if that was Elder Spock on that timeship ramming toward the Nardana. His “katra” would be lost. It’s just a thought.

359. Closettrekker - March 10, 2009

#74—“What you are calling ‘change’ some of us refer to as regression. ”

If a return to the two-fisted action, adventure, drama, humor, sensuality, and “fun” of the Original Series is a “regression”—–then let it be so.

I have been waiting a long time for this. You may not like it—but guess what? I didn’t like the last 20 years or so of Trek for the most part.

Whether you come aboard or not—it won’t be the end of the World. My love for TOS and some of the original films did not waiver through TNG and the rest of the spinoff run. If your love for the spinoffs is as strong, it will not waiver either.

Look at it this way. When Star Trek completely went the way of the 24th Century, I had only 3 seasons on tv and 6 films in my pocket (including the dreaded “Great Trek Turd Of ’89”).

You have so much more than that. There is enough excessive technobabble there to make Einstein’s head explode!

360. Closettrekker - March 10, 2009

#214—-“Are women still going to have to be screaming in agony during childbirth in the future?”

Lmao!
Best question yet!

361. Captain Balki - March 10, 2009

I think I have watched the trailer like 50 times lol, love that music and the lines from Nero gives me Chill bumps.

I really hope old spock doesnt “die” again. I mean they did it once to us all in Part 2, do we really need to go through it again? Maybe spock says.” I will sacrfice myself, but in the future once the timeline is restored I will be alive anyway.”

362. Geoffers - March 10, 2009

Nice twist… the idea that the sacrifice will be renewed, becasue the new “restored” timeline will see him live. Shame they can’t bring the older “Shat” Kirk in, somehow with that (I can hear the groans at me saying that now!).

363. thorsten - March 10, 2009

@357…

Pike calls Chekov “Russian whizkid” on the bridge, so there can be something special about his age, CT…

364. krikzil (aka Lixy) - March 10, 2009

#360–it’s become one of my personal pet peeves in sci-fi. I know it’s terribly dramatic but sheesh! :)

351–“If they had just started again, with a complete clean sheet then I think it would be easier for people to accept.”

I agree. I think it would have been better too for the film in a lot of ways not to be judging it against what was before since it follows theorectically from the same timeline. Then the crew being in the same Academy class, a different looking ship and bridge and all the rest we’ve debated wouldn’t matter to canonistas like myself. It would be a simply reboot, not a combo platter sequel/prequel/reboot/timetravelly thingy. Course, I DO like it for one reason, and one reason, alone — Leonard Nimoy. Honestly, that’s the thing that will put my arse in the seat despite all my misgivings.

365. Geoffers - March 10, 2009

I think the thing that has maybe brought about much of the critisism of this film, is the fact of it being marketed as “how they all got together”, without it fully explained about the timeline being changed (we still don’t know the full extent of that even now). To be fair, I think Bob has said, again and again “watch the film and you will see why things have changed from canon”.. but as is the nature of anticipating something we all have a love for.. we try and second guess all the story and react accordingly.

I think, viewing it as a “how it all came to be” film, in the context of the timeline we know, it does stand out like a sore thumb in some repsects.. however, when all viewed in the context of an altered timeline by new events, for me anyway, I can accept the change from accepted “canon”, as that accepted canon is exactly what Nero has gone back in time to change…. I guess it comes down to.. how would any of our lives be different, if somehow someone jumped in at a point and changed a load of it for us… and the truth is, I am sure that ,that change in our one life, would ripple out to others around us.. and that is what is being shown in this film.

For me, I can more accept this altering of canon (as to me it fits in with a story, that still says what we “knew” DID exist), rather than a “reboot” as was the BSG case.. (as this wipes away all we know in favour of a re-telling)…

Just my take.. but we are all different.. for me I just hope I enjoy the film as much as I am the trailers, and as much as I am enjoying this run up to it.

366. Brian Matthews - March 10, 2009

Didn’t I read somewhere on this site that the imploding planet is theorized to be Romulus, and it’s part of what sets Nero off? Hey, they have two planets there anyway…

367. Brian Matthews - March 10, 2009

#280:
You don’t really expect Nero’s ship to look like anything we’ve seen before, after all this fuss? Did Shinzon’s ship look like anything we’d seen before? Did the Warbirds in TNG even???

368. Trek Defense League - March 10, 2009

Canon is the biggest mistake Star Trek ever made. Does anyone really think that Admiral Kirk was sitting around at his apartment in The Wrath of Khan remembering the time they found Abraham Lincoln in space?

It all stems from this idea that Gene Roddenberry was somehow planning to tell one grand, clockwork story instead of a series of weekly adventures.

369. Closettrekker - March 10, 2009

#351—”If they had just started again, with a complete clean sheet then I think it would be easier for people to accept.”

Some people perhaps. It was going to either upset some group of fans and not others, or be just another fanboy film. Pick your poison.

Personally, I care far more about it because what is different about the story has a canon explanation. After all, the potential for interference with the past creating an altered timeline is part of the very fabric of Star Trek’s canon. That notion has been the basis for numerous stories within that Universe, dating back to the first season of TOS.

If it were to be completely detached–canonically– from the 5 live action series and 10 previous films, then to me, it would be nothing more than a popcorn movie. But because everything depicted in those 5 television series and 10 feature films leads the “broader story” to this point—-it becomes a part of that canon itself.

Don’t get me wrong. I love “Batman Begins” and “The Dark Knight”, but I was never invested in the previous continuity. I didn’t lose anything due to the reboot. As long as Star Trek (2009) makes canonical sense (as promised), I don’t lose anything here either.

I like it this way. Would I have enjoyed a telling of the backstory pieced together by tidbits of information gathered in the Original Series, or just more tales from the 5 year mission and/or the movie era?

Absolutely. But I do not pretend that mainstream audiences would become invested in it in the same way as may happen with this kind of origin tale, with all of its dramatic character arcs and classic evolution into heroism in tow.

The wonderful thing about Star Trek is that there is an inherent loophole which allows such a thing to be done while still keeping its canon intact—time travel. Love it or hate it—it has been, and always shall be, canon…

:)

370. Geoffers - March 10, 2009

I agree… for me, the continuity (how ever holed that it is sometimes!), is part of what I love Trek for… so a clean sheet would (for me) ruin it.. I much prefer the use of sci-fi to create an “alternative”.. than to go with a clean sheet.. I prefer what we had to remian “real”, while allowing for this new “reality”..

371. Bruce_Wayne - March 10, 2009

Great trailer. Saw it first before Watchmen this weekend!!!!! Music sounded very Hans Zimmer-y to me, not M.Giachino.

Also, I still think Urban looks way more like Gary Mitchell than Bones!!!!!!!!

372. krikzil - March 10, 2009

“If it were to be completely detached–canonically– from the 5 live action series and 10 previous films, then to me, it would be nothing more than a popcorn movie. But because everything depicted in those 5 television series and 10 feature films leads the “broader story” to this point—-it becomes a part of that canon itself.”

Interesting. For me, the opposite holds true. It’s the connection…and the subequent changes….that bother me. Once I saw the casting, I could have enjoyed a modern take on the old without the baggage and convolution of an “origin” story that changes the origin. It could sitll have been Kirk and Spock, just a fresher vision incorporating all the aspects of today’s amazing technology film-wise. (Like Batman Returns.)

“Love it or hate it—it has been, and always shall be, canon…”

Well, heck. That applies to everything we’ve seen. From the good (TWOK), the bad (Nemesis), and the downright ugly (#5!). ;)

373. Adjunct37beta - March 10, 2009

does anyone know whether the music on the ‘startrekmovie.com’ website is from the movie score?

374. Alex Rosenzweig - March 10, 2009

#368 – ‘Canon is the biggest mistake Star Trek ever made. Does anyone really think that Admiral Kirk was sitting around at his apartment in The Wrath of Khan remembering the time they found Abraham Lincoln in space?”

Well, I’m sure it crossed his mind from time to time, but obviously it wasn’t all he thought about. Canon–or, rather, continuity–isn’t a mistake at all. But one mistake that people make is assuming that what has already been shown is the sum total of the characters’ lives/thoughts/whatever. That assumption always struck me as rather silly. I mean, Kirk might have thought about Lincoln while sitting around in his apartment, but he probably also thought about the next semester’s Academy curriculum that he’s working on and the really good Italian restaurant down the street that he likes to frequent, too. Assuming that the curriculum or the restaurant never entered his mind because *we* didn’t see them doesn’t really follow.

“It all stems from this idea that Gene Roddenberry was somehow planning to tell one grand, clockwork story instead of a series of weekly adventures.”

Oh, Roddenberry didn’t ever have such a thing in mind. But it became a great big story as each new element built on what had come before…and that was part of Star Trek’s magic.

#369 – “I like it this way. Would I have enjoyed a telling of the backstory pieced together by tidbits of information gathered in the Original Series, or just more tales from the 5 year mission and/or the movie era?

Absolutely. But I do not pretend that mainstream audiences would become invested in it in the same way as may happen with this kind of origin tale, with all of its dramatic character arcs and classic evolution into heroism in tow.”

What I’d love for someone to explain in some even vaguely convincing way is why it wouldn’t be possible to tell a story with dramatic character arcs and evolution into heroism while remain consistent with what little backstory had actually been established, especially since nothing required the *explication* of that backstory, merely a bit of attention paid to not *contradicting* it.

e.g., I think that Harve Bennett’s Academy Years treatment just about accomplished it. Oh, it would have needed a couple of tweaks, but not many. And if he could do it, why not this team?

375. GaryS - March 10, 2009

I thought the shot of Pine climbing the Ice is a nice paralell to the scene where Boy Kirk is trying not to fall into the ravine in the earlier trailer .
That might be intentional.
it looked good either way .
an aside I know ,
But this is a trailer analysis thread.

376. 1999eclipsegsx - March 10, 2009

That scene where Kirk is scrambling to hang on to the mining dish (or whatever) after the base jump is a direct parallel to the scene where they young boy Kirk is scrambling to hang on after the Corvette car jump before the cliff…IMHO.

377. thorsten - March 10, 2009

@374…

I would have loved if Star Trek were like Babylon 5, for that matter.
One huge arc, with all canon and continuity in place…
JMS did a great job there.

378. jmarlin - March 10, 2009

Was anyone able to find out if that was the same music as the film score?

379. krikzil - March 10, 2009

#377–B5 ruled. I really loved that show and I didn’t think I would.

380. Closettrekker - March 10, 2009

#374—“What I’d love for someone to explain in some even vaguely convincing way is why it wouldn’t be possible to tell a story with dramatic character arcs and evolution into heroism while remain consistent with what little backstory had actually been established…”

Here is the “prime” Kirk backstory, as I see it, in a nutshell:

–Born 2233 in Iowa.
–At some point, young JTK lives on Taursus during the time in which the horrid acts of Kodos “The Executioner” are committed.
–During the early 2250’s, enters Star Fleet Academy where he is somewhat tormented by an upperclassmen named Finnegan.
–As an ensign, serves aboard the USS Republic with a friend of his named Ben Finney (although apparently not “in deep space”).
–The young officer (since the precedent is for commissioned officers, not cadets, to take the test) cheats on a command test, but is commended for his ingenuity.
–As a Lt., serves aboard the USS Farragut under Captain Garrovick in his first “deep space assignment”.
–Lt. Kirk command his first planetary mission on Neural where he befriends a young hunter named Tyree.
–After the tragic events aboard the USS Farragut, Lt. Kirk serves as an instructor at SFA, where he meets a cadet named Gary Mitchell who would later serve under him aboard the Enterprise; it is probably around this time that he has a relationship with Carol Marcus, for whom he fathers a son he would not know about until years later.
–Sometime around 2265, Captain Kirk assumes command of the USS Enterprise from its previous commanding officer, Christopher Pike, who is being promoted to “Fleet Captain”.

There might have been an interesting character arc (at least to established fans) involving how Kirk deals with being a survivor of the Taursus incident and goes on to Star Fleet Academy, but really, where’s the beef in that story?

Obviously, the object was to tell a story that gets the familiar characters (all of them) together—one in which Nimoy could be involved in the only way acceptable (reprising his role as Spock), and one that could provide such a dramatic character arc for both Kirk and Spock as to make people who have never embraced these characters become invested in them now. It does not, IMO, make any sense to compare without including those criteria in the equation.

The way I see it, in the “Prime” backstory, Kirk’s arc would really have been as a child survivor on Taursus to becoming a promising Star Fleet cadet (while Spock’s arc was always probably more interesting in either timeline).

It is difficult to argue that this is quite the dramatic arc (at least with regard to Kirk) that we have seen foreshadowed by the information we have on ST09, which is basically the entire Alpha Quadrant depending upon a young and wayward Kirk (who has presumably been robbed of the upbringing he would have had without the timeline incursion) fulfilling his destiny and commanding Star Fleet’s greatest ship and crew (I suppose that the Universe is safe so long as Kirk assumes command of the Enterprise when he is supposed to).

“…especially since nothing required the *explication* of that backstory, merely a bit of attention paid to not *contradicting* it.”

But here’s the thing. We don’t know exactly what *is* contradicted. In fact, Orci has suggested that none of what I described above is precluded from happening anyway. Now, who knows what he means by that?

He could mean what I have suggested all along—that all of these events *did* happen as part of the chain of events in continuity that lead to this point.

He could also mean that somehow these events could all take place in the altered timeline as well—although that would seem to not be the case, since in the “Prime” timeline, Kirk does not meet Pike until his promotion to Fleet Captain, and their meeting in ST09 is very different (unless Kirk simply “fails to mention” the bar incident to Commodore Mendez!), young Kirk is obviously capable of operating a manual transmission automobile, and the Romulans’ appearance will apparently become known prior to the lone Bird Of Prey attacking the Earth Outposts along the Neutral Zone.

Even less likely, it seems to me, is that he means what you and I both suggested might be some time ago—that somehow, Orci’s “final solution” is a restoration of the original timeline. I would be okay with that too, but I am also willing to embrace new stories told involving my favorite characters in an altered timeline, where landmark events in Star Trek history are not etched in stone to be repeated in the same manner.

It seems more likely that Orci is simply being technically accurate in positing that nothing in ST09 precludes those events we know so well from ever having taken place. That is perfectly fine with me, and I like the notion that more than one road can lead to the same place. That is, after all, often true.

381. Denise de Arman - March 10, 2009

Anthony- Love your shot-by-shot analysis articles. Thanks much!

382. Loganotron » New Star Trek Trailer - March 10, 2009

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383. Closettrekker - March 10, 2009

#372—“Interesting. For me, the opposite holds true. It’s the connection…and the subequent changes….that bother me. Once I saw the casting, I could have enjoyed a modern take on the old without the baggage and convolution of an “origin” story that changes the origin. It could sitll have been Kirk and Spock, just a fresher vision incorporating all the aspects of today’s amazing technology film-wise.”

Which seems to support what I said before—that either way, it was going to bother someone.

If this had been a reboot like “Batman Begins”, that simply suggests that none of what came before ever happened in that Universe, then I would be far less interested in it. I would probably be even more disinterested in that than I was in TNG. In fact, I probably wouldn’t be hanging around here—and you and I would never have had such lively and fun discussions!

As it stands, I feel like I have my cake and can eat it too. TOS and everything that follows is preserved as a prelude to this. I like that.

384. krikzil - March 10, 2009

“In fact, I probably wouldn’t be hanging around here—and you and I would never have had such lively and fun discussions!”

Well, perish THAT thought!!! (See this is the prime example of what has keep me in fandom, I love the show but I love the interaction with fellow fans more!)

“As it stands, I feel like I have my cake and can eat it too.”

Make it a Star Trek cake and I might have some too, then. ;)

385. Closettrekker - March 10, 2009

#384—You know, I have to confess that I never understood the origins of that phrase (“have my cake and eat it too”). I understand what it means–but why does it mean that?

Who came up with that, and why do we use it that way?

386. Alex Rosenzweig - March 10, 2009

#380 – “#374—”What I’d love for someone to explain in some even vaguely convincing way is why it wouldn’t be possible to tell a story with dramatic character arcs and evolution into heroism while remain consistent with what little backstory had actually been established…”

Here is the “prime” Kirk backstory, as I see it, in a nutshell:

–Born 2233 in Iowa.

[snip]

–Sometime around 2265, Captain Kirk assumes command of the USS Enterprise from its previous commanding officer, Christopher Pike, who is being promoted to “Fleet Captain”.

There might have been an interesting character arc (at least to established fans) involving how Kirk deals with being a survivor of the Taursus incident and goes on to Star Fleet Academy, but really, where’s the beef in that story?”

The only part that I’m not fully agreeing with is that I suspect that Ensign-to-Lieutenant Kirk teaches his class while still at the Academy, although he might perhaps return to the Academy after the incidents on the Farragut, or go to the USS Constitution (My Brother’s Keeper), or take a long medical leave to recover from post-traumatic stress disorder, bum around bars in Iowa, and try to figure out what he wants to do with his life. ;)

In general, you’ve hit a lot of key general points, but there’s a lot of time throughout that period during which exactly what Kirk is doing is unknown. It’s hardly like we have a week-to-week, month-to-month detail of his entire life. And therein is the opportunity for storytelling.

“Obviously, the object was to tell a story that gets the familiar characters (all of them) together—one in which Nimoy could be involved in the only way acceptable (reprising his role as Spock), and one that could provide such a dramatic character arc for both Kirk and Spock as to make people who have never embraced these characters become invested in them now. It does not, IMO, make any sense to compare without including those criteria in the equation.”

I can accept that, though I admit that I would have avoided time travel like the plague. ;) Still, I think it could have been made to fit. ‘Course, I also think that if the general audience can be made to embrace completely unknown characters based on a strong enough script, without the need to resort to time travel stunts or the like, it could be done for Kirk and Spock, too.

But, okay, criteria in place, sure.

“The way I see it, in the “Prime” backstory, Kirk’s arc would really have been as a child survivor on Taursus to becoming a promising Star Fleet cadet (while Spock’s arc was always probably more interesting in either timeline).”

That’s one possibility. Another is as a promising young officer disillusioned by tragedy and rethinking his whole world, trying to rediscover a direction that life has, however temporarily, stolen from him. His past on Tarsus might be a part of all that, but needn’t be central to the story at hand. (I say that because I don’t want to build too much backstory for a general audience to handle all at once, in a short period of time.)

Or perhaps he fled to space from a bad family situation, but didn’t really fulfill his true potential ’til years later in the heat of crisis.

And so on.

Spock’s arc is a natural: a man born of two worlds trying to discover who and what he really is. That’s always been his struggle, and his story.

“It is difficult to argue that this is quite the dramatic arc (at least with regard to Kirk) that we have seen foreshadowed by the information we have on ST09, which is basically the entire Alpha Quadrant depending upon a young and wayward Kirk (who has presumably been robbed of the upbringing he would have had without the timeline incursion) fulfilling his destiny and commanding Star Fleet’s greatest ship and crew (I suppose that the Universe is safe so long as Kirk assumes command of the Enterprise when he is supposed to).”

However he gets there, I think that to show an origin story for TOS, a key arc for Kirk really would need to be him discovering what kind of man he could be. If he’s always had that certainty, there’s no story. But either he needs never to have had it, or needs to have lost it and thus must recover it again, for the story to work.

” “…especially since nothing required the *explication* of that backstory, merely a bit of attention paid to not *contradicting* it.”

But here’s the thing. We don’t know exactly what *is* contradicted. In fact, Orci has suggested that none of what I described above is precluded from happening anyway.”

Right. I remember his comment. It’s one of the reasons I’m still keeping an open mind about this film, despite the rumors that disturb me. between what Bob has said, and what Mr. Abrams has said, there’s still the potential that they’re going to end up with something I may like quite a lot, so I can’t be completely dismissive yet.

“Now, who knows what he means by that?”

Ahh, now there’s the rub… ;)

[snip]

“He could also mean that somehow these events could all take place in the altered timeline as well—although that would seem to not be the case, since in the “Prime” timeline, Kirk does not meet Pike until his promotion to Fleet Captain, and their meeting in ST09 is very different (unless Kirk simply “fails to mention” the bar incident to Commodore Mendez!), young Kirk is obviously capable of operating a manual transmission automobile, and the Romulans’ appearance will apparently become known prior to the lone Bird Of Prey attacking the Earth Outposts along the Neutral Zone.”

It could be that some things happen as they did, and others are shifted around. (‘Course, I’m still not convinced that that car really has a 300-year-old engine in there, either, and who’s to say that StarFleet knows that Nero is a Romulan? ;) )

“Even less likely, it seems to me, is that he means what you and I both suggested might be some time ago—that somehow, Orci’s “final solution” is a restoration of the original timeline.”

I still think it’ll be some degree of restoration, though not a perfect one, for the reasons I gave previously. Forget all the fannish arguing about canon and continuity, if the movie is setting up the stakes as being stopping the villain from messing up time and space, what the heck sort of story would have the heroes fail to do that? I don’t think it’ll be a magic, snap-their-fingers-and-it-all-goes-back-to-the-’60s, but the intent still seems to be to end up with a reasonable modern analog of TOS’s world. Well, either that, or JJ and Bob and the others are still not telling the truth, and I don’t feel right about accusing them of that.

“It seems more likely that Orci is simply being technically accurate in positing that nothing in ST09 precludes those events we know so well from ever having taken place. That is perfectly fine with me, and I like the notion that more than one road can lead to the same place. That is, after all, often true.”

And, in the end, if the result is an altered-but-similar world, in which a somewhat different chain of events still brings our heroes to the Enterprise, essentially as we know them, and with the Trek Universe still largely intact on the gross level (i.e., no major planets destroyed, etc. ;) ), it might not be my idea of a perfect way to handle it, but I could probably live with it okay, too.

387. thorsten - March 10, 2009

@385… you can’t have the best of both worlds!

The phrase’s earliest recording is from 1546 as “wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?” (John Heywood’s ‘A dialogue Conteinyng the Nomber in Effect of All the Prouerbes in the Englishe Tongue’) alluding to the impossibility of eating your cake and still having it afterwards…

388. krikzil - March 10, 2009

#385–Closet. Thank goodness thorsten chimed in. I was gonna have to go research the phrase otherwise. LOL. It is funny how we use things by rote, totally removed from their origins.

389. Ian - March 10, 2009

Shouldn’t McCoy be out of the Academy already by the time Kirk arrives on the scene? Or perhaps he’s just been a doctor for some time as it is…

390. GoDFaDDa - March 10, 2009

One little bit I liked in the Kirk-takes-the-chair scene is that it looks like Sulu is flashing a thumbs-up. :)

391. Matthew - March 10, 2009

Is that music in trailer 3 part of the new original score? If so….give that composer a cigar! It had every single, solitary hair on my body stood to attention. Like a giant all-over-body orgasm or some such. Simply and utterly beautiful…..different, yes, but very Star Trek indeed.

392. Wednesday Mourning - March 10, 2009

wow! There I am in white to the left in the bar where kirk gets in a fight!
Thats awesome! Thank you TrekMovie.com Iv’e yet to get a clear still from that trailer to show friends and family.

yay! :)

-Wednesday Mourning
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Wednesday_Mourning

393. Jonathan Macpherson - March 10, 2009

i’ve got a link to a web page where you can download the star trek music “freedom fighters” for free. don’t need to subscribe to anything or email. great epic theme!!

http://www.zshare.net/download/568112058ac4aea8/

394. Jonathan Macpherson - March 10, 2009

to add –
just click on download now and it will ask you to wait about 50 secs and then right click to download and it takes about 5 seconds. the music lasts 2.5 minutes and is the exact same as the one in the new trailer. ENJOY!

395. Matthew - March 10, 2009

76: Databrain – your arrogance is astonishing. You’re very keen to let us all know that age is not a mark of wisdom, but we know you’re fairly young…and refer to *yourself* as “die hard”…yet jesus, you’re arguing with people that have followed Trek since the 1960’s, while time hasn’t even had a chance to prove that Trek is anything more than a youthful fad to you. Talk about every generation inventing the wheel? I tell you what, if you still like Star Trek as passionately as I do in 30 years time, I will sit down with you (if old age hasn’t killed me, which likely it will by then) and talk about what is and what isn’t Trek. Oh, and my age has earned me the *right* to inform you that apart from anything else, the vision and ideals of Mr Roddenberry aside (ideals that we all already know and don’t need YOU or any other kid to remind us of), Trek has also been action based. The movies more so. The fact the trailers have been action heavy does NOT mean that it has dispensed with a ‘Trekian’ story – the action in all the previous movies hasn’t over-shone their stories, why should this?

Seriously, I would be the first to come out of the theatre and hold my hands up to say that they have sacrificed Gene’s vision for an action blockbuster make-over, and say how terrible that is, but only after *seeing* the movie would I be *entitled* to that opinion. So unless you’re going to see the movie when it is out, I suggest you stay clear of this site or any other that will be debating the merits of the film – as anyone who doesn’t see it has no RIGHT to an opinion of it. Arguing the merits of it before it releases is stupid – which is why I am not saying it will be great. I’m saying close your mouth…..and give it a chance.

396. Jonathan Macpherson - March 10, 2009

also found a sight where you can download the new star trek trailer

its available in 480p (38mb) 720p (90mb) or 1080p (153mb)

simply right click on the quality/size you want. it will save as a quicktime file

AGAIN – ENJOY!!

397. Jonathan Macpherson - March 10, 2009

sorry – forgot to post the link from where you can download the new trailer (for me it is 2am and feeling a bit groggy!)

http://danowen.blogspot.com/2009/03/trailer-park-star-trek-trailer-2.html

398. Swollen Ballz - March 10, 2009

I find it interesting that we are at Delta Vega..where Gary Mitchell gets killed! Talk about your dejavu!! If i am repeating what someone else said already, forgive me. This is a lot of reading :)

399. Databrain - March 10, 2009

People need to seriously reread my posts. I never said I had an all encompassing opinion of the film yet, as I obviously have not seen it yet. This is why I use words such as ‘seems’ and ‘possibly’ and ‘what appears to be’ etc. At the same time, your appraisal of a film you have not seen seems equally absurd as a would be negative judgement.

All I am saying is based on what has been seen thus far (including the 20 minutes of film previously released) indicates something to me. And I am speaking about that. Which I have every right to do, just as much right as you have to praise what you have seen thus far.

400. Harry Ballz - March 11, 2009

Everybody got that??!!

401. Nelson Galaxy » Tiberius Trailer - March 11, 2009

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402. Closettrekker - March 11, 2009

#386—“The only part that I’m not fully agreeing with is that I suspect that Ensign-to-Lieutenant Kirk teaches his class while still at the Academy…”

Kirk is a lieutenant when he is an instructor, according to Gary Mitchell (“WNMHGB”). He is also listed by the Enterprise records officer as being an ensign while he served aboard USS Republic(“Court-Martial”). It seems apparent that he would not have served aboard the Republic while still at the Academy—not to mention that an ensign is not a cadet, but a commissioned officer.
It isn’t exactly clear when he serves as an instructor, but I always imagined that it was after the traumatic events aboard the Farragut. That kind of temporary ground assignment seems logical at that point to me, but, of course, there isn’t any certainty in that.

“However he gets there, I think that to show an origin story for TOS, a key arc for Kirk really would need to be him discovering what kind of man he could be. If he’s always had that certainty, there’s no story. But either he needs never to have had it, or needs to have lost it and thus must recover it again, for the story to work.”

I agree.

“…who’s to say that StarFleet knows that Nero is a Romulan?”

Well, according to the “reviews” of the 20-minute preview, Kirk identifies the Romulans as the perpetrators of an attack upon a number of Klingon ships, as well as those responsible for the Kelvin attack. All of this happens when Kirk is trying to convince his immediate superiors that VUlcan is endanger (apparently, thnere is some obvious similarities between what is happening in Vulcan space and what happened to the Kelvin, etc.

They may not know who Nero is—but they apparently are aware that Romulans are behind the attacks. And unless the fight on the drilling platform is somehow set after “BOT”, there is a face-to-face meeting!

403. Greyward - March 11, 2009

Hey, one point about the ranks: correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Saavik a Lt. while still in the Academy? It seems exceptional students or students who are taking specialized traning (the equivalent of a master’s degree?) like command school can have higher ranks. I wouldn’t be surprised to see most of the TOS crew in the Academy at once, as long as they aren’t in the “same class”. Do we know for a fact there isn’t a fair bit of time skipping going on? If he’s already taken the Kobiyashi Maru (and beaten it!) then Kirk seems to be a Saavik like command-candidate liutenant. Consider Saavik’s obvious authority over all the other trainees aboard Enterprise in ST2. I could see Checkov still being “trainee” or “cadet”, Uhura and Sulu ensigns, and Kirk an accelerated command-school Lt. Technically, Kirk might already have authority over every NCO on that ship and even experienced officers that nevertheless graduated the academy as ensigns. Pike is gone, Spock is relieved, McCoy has less than 0 command experience… Scotty is the problem. He clearly has command status later on as he always takes command when Kirk and Spock are off-ship. Maybe at this point he’s still a Lt. though and doesn’t feel qualified, or maybe they really, really need an engineer. He’s also not technically assigned to the Enterprise at this point, its seems.

In any case, I’m far more worried about this “destroy Vulcan” thing. I don’t care if they blow up Romulus in the future, and that sets off Nero (there goes the plot to Star Trek Online though… you’d think someone would have clued them in…or maybe they know something we don’t?) but I think Trek would be >too< changed without Vulcan. At that point I’d call it a complete reboot. But theres just too much we don’t know at this point, really.

404. Closettrekker - March 11, 2009

#403—“…correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Saavik a Lt. while still in the Academy?”

She is taking a command test, but I do not see her as a “cadet” or being “in the Academy”.

A lieutenant is a commissioned officer (O-3). It is not unusual in modern military services for officers to receive continued education. In fact, that is quite the norm. If you are not selected for such programs, then chances are, your career is not progressing very well.

I think it is more likely that Saavik’s KM test is being administered at the Academy. Having progressed through the rank of Ensign and Lieutenant, junior grade, and on to the rank of full Lieutenant, she is likely a 3-5 year veteran. It could be also, however, that she graduated at the top of her Academy class and was granted the rank of Lt., jg. from the beginning. But she would still have received an additional promotion since that time.

405. Chadwick - March 11, 2009

Too many cry babies “This is not our Star Trek which is a shame” well boo boo change is good. I was 4 years old when TNG first came out on TV, that was A HUGE change from TOS, every Star Trek is different. And you still hate the changes after Gene Roddenberry himself said that he wanted new minds to redo Star Trek in a bigger way? Hypocrites. I Gene one day wanted it bigger and better, hey I am all for it.

406. Paul - March 11, 2009

Valeris was also a lieutenant just after graduating wasn’t she? McCoy definitely came to Starfleet late – he was just ‘an old country doctor’ prior to becoming a starfleet officer. Scotty worked on merchant (or was it mining?) vessels beforehand.

I think we have to accept that Starfleet is only quasi-military and not all of its officers have to go through the same level of command training before becoming high-ranking officers.

If Chekov is only 16 as a cadet, Kirk would be 28 – so it’s doable at a stretch, particularly if the altered timeline led him to train late. I, like many people would have preferred to see Gary Mitchell instead of Chekov, saving Chekov for the second movie. We had Batman Begins without the Joker after all.

I would also have been much happier seeing Janice Rand instead of Chekov. I’m really appalled at how Uhura isn’t the token affro-caribbean like in the 60’s, she’s the token woman instead. We’ve moved on from the former and most other sci fi genres have moved on from the latter too. Ok, it’s true that the show was sexist in the 60’s but it was in some ways quite ground-breaking for its time. I really hope they don’t embarass us by making the franchise more sexist than its modern peers.

407. Closettrekker - March 11, 2009

#406—“Valeris was also a lieutenant just after graduating wasn’t she?”

I only recall it being stated that she graduated at the top of her class…not that she received a direct promotion to lieutenant. And a valedictorian graduate would likely receive a promotion to lieutenant, junior grade (O-2)—not lieutenant (O-3).

“I think we have to accept that Starfleet is only quasi-military and not all of its officers have to go through the same level of command training before becoming high-ranking officers.”

That doesn’t vary from military to quasi-military…Even in modern miltaries, certain personnel would not attend such schools. We can assume that people in the medical, science, and engineering fields would not necessarily be required to do so.

Starfleet is not the US or British Navy, but its policies, terminology, structure, and traditions usually resemble them so closely that it is generally safe to assume that they are the same—until given reason to believe that specific policy is not, IMO.

408. Closettrekker - March 11, 2009

#408—“I, like many people would have preferred to see Gary Mitchell instead of Chekov, saving Chekov for the second movie. We had Batman Begins without the Joker after all.

I would also have been much happier seeing Janice Rand instead of Chekov.”

The problem with that is— although Chekov was probably no more significant a character in TOS than Rand, the feature film series made him a major character, rather than merely a recurring minor one.

As for saving anything for the “second movie”, I think that Bad Robot has correctly deduced that they shouldn’t make any assumptions or hold anything back. That subject has been well covered in interviews.

409. EdDR - March 11, 2009

I wonder if the shift lever on the bridge was salvaged from the Corvette Kirk dropped over the edge of the cliff in the beginning of the 1st preview. Was it in salute to Robert Wise’s ST:TMP? Just wondering. Looks great. But just one little, teeny, weeny thing, aren’t there enough Star Fleet personnel that are onboard that could assume command of the Enterprise without giving it to Ensigns now promoted to Lt. on the battlefield such as Kirk? Maybe he is ” Combat Simulator Trained” on starships such as the Enterprise.

410. EdDR - March 11, 2009

To Jim Smith #96
So what’s past is Past? I like that or I did like that or I will like that or I assume that I could like that or I could merely change everything in this sample test of the Kobayashi Maru? And of course “The future is now!”

411. krikzil - March 11, 2009

“We can assume that people in the medical, science, and engineering fields would not necessarily be required to do so.”

Closet — oh Military Man….how exactly DOES this work when doctors or other professionals join up?

#405–have you thought about a career in diplomacy?

412. Closettrekker - March 11, 2009

#411–“…how exactly DOES this work when doctors or other professionals join up?”

The Marine Corps does not have medical professionals (they are provided by the Navy), but we do have people in the Judge Advocate General’s office. Attorneys (either in the Navy or USMC) obviously require additional schooling, and are therefore commissioned at a higher grade.

As a combat officer, it is really not my field, but I can say that I have never seen a Navy doctor or attorney below the rank of Lieutenant. Therefore, I assume that they are commissioned to that rank after their officer training is completed.

413. Paul - March 11, 2009

412 – yes that does tally – Bashir was a Lt (JG) and was very green during DS9 season 1. Chapel qualified as a doctor and became a full Lieutenant in TMP. As for Troi….?

408. I think it was partly sexism that led to Chapel and Rand being marginalised in the later movies – they were knocking on a bit and it was easier to bring in younger, foxier actresses like Kirsty Alley or Robin Curtis. It would not have been hard to give them roles, even if they were not running around with the main crew. The cameos in STIV & VI were a little bit too low key, albeit better than nothing. One notch above would have been better – even if, for example, Chapel and Rand had been present at Kirk’s birthday party in STII, or if Chapel had been the bearer of bad tidings re: the Enterprise instead of Morrow in STIII.

If they are thinking of going all out in this movie just in case there isn’t another then surely Chapel and Rand should feature. They’re not insignificant characters in their own right and can easily be given a 21st century update (see Kara Thrace in BSG). Other origin characters feature why not them? If Number One is also absent, that will be even more annoying.

414. Closettrekker - March 11, 2009

#413—” If Number One is also absent, that will be even more annoying.”

It shouldn’t be, at least in my opinion.

If I recall, “Number One” was second-in-command aboard the Enterprise 13 years before the events depicted in “The Menagerie”. Unless the bridge crew under Captain Pike is being depicted during that time period (not likely), then I do not feel there is any logical reason for her to be there.

If Kirk is born in 2233, and he is 25 when he joins Starfleet in this timeline, that means Kirk is entering SFA in 2258. Even if he is still a cadet (perhaps 3rd year) by the time we first see the bridge of Pike’s Enterprise, the events on Talos IV would have been several years past, and it really wouldn’t make sense to me for her not to have moved on since then.

Furthermore, the timeline incursion of 2233 (the attack upon the Kelvin) would likely have shaped some things differently anyway. For all we know, she could have been an ill-fated ensign aboard that ship, or she could have been assigned somewhere else due to indirect effects of the interference with the timeline.

It almost seems far less likely for her to be there than otherwise, IMO.

The same goes for Gary Mitchell.

If Kirk’s entry into SFA is indeed delayed, there is no guarantee that he will ever be serving as an instructor there, and therefore no guarantee that he will ever meet and befriend Mitchell. I have always felt that Kirk brought Mitchell aboard the Enterprise with him in part because of that friendship.

Once again, Mitchell’s appearance (at least in the same capacity), given the circumstances, would be more likely to raise an eyebrow for me than would his absence. It is almost impossible to believe that the same set of circumstances that began their friendship to begin with could have been duplicated if Kirk’s entry into SFA is delayed by ripples in the timeline.

415. Paul - March 11, 2009

413 “If I recall, “Number One” was second-in-command aboard the Enterprise 13 years before the events depicted in “The Menagerie”. Unless the bridge crew under Captain Pike is being depicted during that time period (not likely), then I do not feel there is any logical reason for her to be there.”

Lol – ok – well is there any ‘logical’ reason for Sulu do be a Lt-commander at the helm of the Enterprise in TMP? Is there any ‘logical’ reason for there not to be a 50/50 split in the sexes in all later Trek incarnations when TMP got rid of th 60/40 and established a 50/50 split?

If you are looking for reasons you can always find them but why go out of their way to exclude an established character? As an homage to Majel, a nod to the only female command officer in the entire original series, judicious use of an interesting character, I can think of lots of reasons to use her. If she’s ignored in addition to a lot of the other female characters it speaks to me of the same careless level of sexism that has always pervaded Trek, a possible lack of imagination, backward thinking (compared to al lot of modern sci fi), and they need to wise up.

Of course I might be proved wrong yet. There could be a lot of women in the casr that we aren’t aware of yet. I want Janice dammit!

416. krikzil - March 11, 2009

“It is almost impossible to believe that the same set of circumstances that began their friendship to begin with could have been duplicated if Kirk’s entry into SFA is delayed by ripples in the timeline.”

See, this is my problem with so much of what we know with the new film Closet. If events are changed so much in Kirk’s life, I’m finding it hard to believe that everyone else in the crew still comes together….and all at once which I never thought happened even in the original timeline. Fanboy alert!

#412–Thanks for the rundown on the military stuff. I have a couple of friends who made careers and I’ve always been interested. One gal I went to HS with went to West Point. That was back in the 80s so I always that that she was very brave to have done that. My brother tried to join the Air Force but sadly a medical condition prevented it (diabetes).

415–“Lol – ok – well is there any ‘logical’ reason for Sulu do be a Lt-commander at the helm of the Enterprise in TMP?”

So true. And this reminds me of another thing that always made me go Huh? Why was Sulu off being a Captain in the last film while the entire rest of the crew was due to stand down? Would they all really retire at once?

417. Blimpboy - March 11, 2009

I’m tired of re-boots and orgin stories. Star Wars wasted three films setting up a story we all saw 20 years ago. Why do the Bond, Batman and Trek franchises all have to show us the first time for everything. I know Kirk and Spock will become friends. I don’t need someone to connect the dots. Can people just enjoy a good story without the first part of all new films wasting a hour to get to the story? I have a good imagination that is able to fill in the blanks as needed. I loved Star Trek for years without the need to know how long those people had been there. Are those days gone now?

418. Paul - March 11, 2009

Well I actually enjoyed Babylon 5 In the Beginning and Underworld 3: Rise of the Lycans. Not all prequels are bad. In Dark Knight the main thing that irked me was the focus on Jim Gordon’s son instead of his daughter (we know Barbara lives, I guess they needed a disposeable character, but I still felt the girl got the short end of the stick… again)

Trek looks like it could be a fairly enjoyable movie but action and special effects don’t usually make great movies on their own. Cheesy one-dimensional characters in Trek will look a bit sad and old fashioned next to drama like Battlestar Galactica (not a phrase I thought I’d ever use). The sexism in sci fi thing is my soapbox though. I worry that their inability to get to grips with the female characters is a sign that this will be the same ol same ol. They need to tap into the zeitgeist to really revitalise the franchise.

419. Alex Rosenzweig - March 11, 2009

#389 – “Shouldn’t McCoy be out of the Academy already by the time Kirk arrives on the scene? Or perhaps he’s just been a doctor for some time as it is…”

The conventional thought is that he joined StarFleet well after having been a doctor, running to space after his divorce. He’d be at the Academy for space-specific training, and probably xenomedicine, rather than a full college-level education.

#402 – “#386—”The only part that I’m not fully agreeing with is that I suspect that Ensign-to-Lieutenant Kirk teaches his class while still at the Academy…”

Kirk is a lieutenant when he is an instructor, according to Gary Mitchell (”WNMHGB”). He is also listed by the Enterprise records officer as being an ensign while he served aboard USS Republic(”Court-Martial”). It seems apparent that he would not have served aboard the Republic while still at the Academy—not to mention that an ensign is not a cadet, but a commissioned officer.”

Well, I wasn’t thinking that “at the Academy” only meant being a cadet. If he’d stayed on and gone straight into graduate training, he might have also served aboard the training vessel Republic as an Ensign and taught classes (in fact, those two things might even have gone hand-in-hand), and made it to the rank of Lieutenant before he got into deep space.

Obviously that’s not the only possibility, though.

“It isn’t exactly clear when he serves as an instructor, but I always imagined that it was after the traumatic events aboard the Farragut. That kind of temporary ground assignment seems logical at that point to me, but, of course, there isn’t any certainty in that.”

Actually, I could see that, too, even if for just a semester to give him some time to recover from that incident.

I guess a big question is, how old is Gary Mitchell? Is he young enough to have been a cadet in, say, 2258, and if so, is it realistic for him to have made LCDR by 2265? If so, your theory could work nicely. Hmm…. Per IMDB, Gary Lockwood is 5 years younger than Bill Shatner. If there’s a comparable age difference between the characters, then yup, your theory could actually hold together quite well.

” “…who’s to say that StarFleet knows that Nero is a Romulan?”

Well, according to the “reviews” of the 20-minute preview, Kirk identifies the Romulans as the perpetrators of an attack upon a number of Klingon ships, as well as those responsible for the Kelvin attack. All of this happens when Kirk is trying to convince his immediate superiors that VUlcan is endanger (apparently, thnere is some obvious similarities between what is happening in Vulcan space and what happened to the Kelvin, etc.”

Ahh, okay, I see what you mean. I’d forgotten that Kirk identified the Romulans, and was thinking he just recognized the similarities between the spatial anomalies involved.

#408 – “As for saving anything for the “second movie”, I think that Bad Robot has correctly deduced that they shouldn’t make any assumptions or hold anything back. That subject has been well covered in interviews.”

They did indeed say they weren’t holding things back, but they also said they didn’t feel the need to throw in everything just for the heck of it, either, and that some characters not seen in this film might be seen at some other point later on.

420. USS TRINOMA - NCC-0278 - March 11, 2009

The planet being destroyed is the very KEY to determine whether this “Star Trek” will be a total reboot, or even a total introduction of a new timeline. If the planet is Vulcan, then the entire franchise, along with its canon, before this movie, is totally crystallized as the “1st Edition.” This will be like Marvel’s 5 or 6 different titles of Spider-Man.

421. gollum6668 - March 12, 2009

#417..it’s late..good point! I love the original series’ Where no man has gone before (ep. 2) and The Menegerie. And remember the mystery of wondering what the klingons/romulans were actually like? The pocket books were very good (Black Fire i believe..10//10!!) But since this film is cannon upon release will it do more good or harm in the future?
Star Trek, to my knowledge, is the first original TV series to be put onto comics in the genre, as opposed to the other way around. spidey, batman films are based on comics. trek is not.

What worries me is..did i miss it? Not a scene with Nimoy! Even though I hoping i’m wrong, this could be Paramount’s way of saying to the public “ok we’ve had all these years of TOS but with this movie it’s all out the window” and Nimoy’s part reduced to a “Pike lecture to Kirk?” On the other hand, i’m thinking In The Menegerie when Kirk says “I met him once, to be sent off” he was referring to his ego as a captain rather than “if it wasn’t for him, i wouldn’t be here” We’ll see..!

422. TK - March 12, 2009

i am so excited about this movie….

423. Closettrekker - March 12, 2009

#420—“The planet being destroyed is the very KEY to determine whether this “Star Trek” will be a total reboot, or even a total introduction of a new timeline. If the planet is Vulcan, then the entire franchise, along with its canon, before this movie, is totally crystallized as the 1st Edition.”

I have to totally disagree with that assessment.

In a “reboot”, like Batman Begins—previous continuity is discarded or ignored. In the case of ST09, the story itself is dependant upon that previous continuity.

ENT + TOS + Original films + TNG + TNG-era films/DS9/VOY = ST09

There is a clear succession of events in the original Star Trek timeline which leads to the formation of another. That is the very opposite of a reboot. ST09 is an unconventional sequel.

424. Closettrekker - March 12, 2009

#416—“See, this is my problem with so much of what we know with the new film Closet. If events are changed so much in Kirk’s life, I’m finding it hard to believe that everyone else in the crew still comes together….and all at once which I never thought happened even in the original timeline.”

I think it’s pretty clear that did *not* happen in the original timeline. For one thing, we know that Spock was aboard the Enterprise long before Kirk ever took command.

As for Kirk, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, Chekov, and Uhura—that is unclear, but not completely unconceivable either. It is not at all uncommon for a tour-of-duty’s end to coincide with a change of command aboard a ship.

But I prefer to see it this way. They did *not* come together at once in the original timeline. Perhaps this is one of the differences in the altered one!

It is pretty clear that Kirk’s life is most *directly* affected by the timeline incursion of 2233 (the Kelvin attack), for obvious reasons.

It is also clear to me that this story is very much one of “destiny” (with a little helping hand from Nimoy’s Spock!). Do certain things (at least at this point) seem a bit too convenient? Maybe–but Star Trek has never come without the necessity for *some* suspension of natural disbelief!

425. Alex Rosenzweig - March 12, 2009

#423 – “In a “reboot”, like Batman Begins—previous continuity is discarded or ignored.”

I get what you’re saying, but consider it this way: Assuming that what results from this movie is in fact a considerably different world than the original, the big difference between what we’d be getting and what you’re describing is that the movie is simply taking us through the process of *how* they’re discarding the previous continuity.

Aside from that, in practical, functional terms, there seems to be very little difference between what they’re doing to Trek and a more conventional reboot. Yes, they’ve given us a transitional chapter, but the effect is still the same, and no more satisfying, IMHO.

426. Closettrekker - March 12, 2009

#417—“Can people just enjoy a good story without the first part of all new films wasting a hour to get to the story?”

It’s easy to do that if you have already become invested in the characters. Star Trek had 79 television episodes worth of stories told before its first foray into the movies, 30 years ago.

But when the objective is to introduce these characters (and this Universe) to audiences who are (for various reasons) not already invested in them (or it), then an origin story is a good way to do that.

Here’s an example or two from my perspective.

I have never read comic books, but I do like good movies based upon them. If there were never an “origin story” in Superman: The Movie, I’m not sure I would have fallen in love with that character back in the 1970’s.

I never thought much of the Batman television series or the previous movies, but I enjoyed Batman Begins and The Dark Knight immensely. Part of what “hooked” me was the fantastic origin story. In fact, before that, I probably felt similarly about “Batman” to the way that JJ Abrams did about Star Trek. I feel like someone (Chris Nolan) has begun to fulfill the character’s potential (and that of the story) on the big screen.

Do I need an introduction to Kirk, Spock, and McCoy?

No.

But my kids probably do.

427. Closettrekker - March 12, 2009

#425—“…the big difference between what we’d be getting and what you’re describing is that the movie is simply taking us through the process of *how* they’re discarding the previous continuity.”

I was with you until you used the word “discarding”.

If you replaced the word “discarding” with the phrase “expanding upon”, or “adding to”—you would have my full agreement.

Taking us through the process of *how* is precisely what makes this *not* a reboot. The “how” represents the preservation of continuity.

It is very simple. You can still trace the events in ST09 to the events in that previous continuity. The very origin of the altered timeline is caused by people and events which are products of previously established continuity.

The timeline formed by the events of ENT-NEM is the cause.

ST09 and beyond—is the effect.

There is no getting around that.

428. Closettrekker - March 12, 2009

#425—“Yes, they’ve given us a transitional chapter, but the effect is still the same, and no more satisfying, IMHO.”

That’s the difference bewteen you and me.

A reboot, in which the filmmakers would simply ignore 40 years of Star Trek, wouldn’t interest me (I consider myself a canonista) in the least. I want to see that part of the broader story preserved, and a clear link established between that and what comes next. The fact that such a canonical link exists is indeed satisfying to me.

A+B still = C, even if *C* represents an altered timeline.

429. krikzil - March 12, 2009

“There is no getting around that.”

And hence, the problem for some of us. ;)

430. krikzil - March 12, 2009

“A reboot, in which the filmmakers would simply ignore 40 years of Star Trek, wouldn’t interest me (I consider myself a canonista) in the least. I want to see that part of the broader story preserved, and a clear link established between that and what comes next. The fact that such a canonical link exists is indeed satisfying to me.”

I don’t think a reboot (in the typical sense) would necessarily have to ignore the 40 years. It would just reimagine it and could be sucessful along the lines of Batman Returns. (I really liked how they approached that film and the mythology.) For me, trying to link the past to a very different (and disconcerting in part) future is jarring and invites constant comparison which can work against the “new” for some. It’s hard to let go.

And it doesn’t really seem necessary to attract new fans. They don’t know or care about what’s gone on before. I really like this new cast from what I’ve seen and it would have been a luxury to me to be able to sit through the movie without having the steady stream of …”but…but…what about …..??” in my head since this is all supposed to be one big happy timeline.

431. Closettrekker - March 12, 2009

#430—“And it doesn’t really seem necessary to attract new fans. They don’t know or care about what’s gone on before. ”

I agree. If that had been their only goal, they probably would have not bothered with writing a story that involved Nimoy’s reprisal of the Spock character or time travel at all. They could have simply introduced Kirk, Spock, and McCoy as young characters in an origin-type prequel (I still think introducing the characters in a feature film and convincing a new audience to become invested in them works best with an “origin” story).

A lot has been made of late about the tendancy for the creative team behind ST09 to refer to this as a movie for non-fans, but we tend to forget that not so long ago, they were here on this very site telling us that this would be a movie for fans and non-fans alike.

I think that preserving continuity and involving Nimoy’s Spock, while still making this a story of such epic proportions, is part of an effort by the writers to appease the established fan as well (at least those of us who, like Bob Orci, appreciate such things).

“it would have been a luxury to me to be able to sit through the movie without having the steady stream of …”but…but…what about …..??” in my head since this is all supposed to be one big happy timeline.”

I don’t think it *is* supposed to be one big happy timeline. It may, in the end, be not all that different from the one we know—but the moment the Narada attacks the USS Kelvin, it is certainly different in some ways. It is definitely altered, even if only subtly so in the grand scheme of things.

There was a hundred ways this could have been approached. Any one of them was going to disappoint someone. But from the look and sound of things, this is probably going to be a big hit in both demographics (established fans and average moviegoers).

432. Alex Rosenzweig - March 12, 2009

#427 – But unless you can really say that the intent of the studio–at least under the current team overseeing Star Trek–is to return to the original continuity, then discarding is precisely what they’re doing. From the moment Nero shows up in the past and attacks the Kelvin, this movie ceases to contribute anything to the previous continuity, and unless the resolution brings us to a continuity that is so effectively similar to the original that we can assume that future events, as chronicled, unfold in essentially the same way, the practical effect is that the original is set aside in favor of the new.

I understand the logic you’re applying, and that’s all well and good, but I’m also looking at the practical effect of what’s happening here.

#431 – “I think that preserving continuity and involving Nimoy’s Spock, while still making this a story of such epic proportions, is part of an effort by the writers to appease the established fan as well (at least those of us who, like Bob Orci, appreciate such things).”

And if, in the end, the basic continuity of the overall Trekverse is preserved, this established fan will be well-and-truly appeased. Obviously I don’t know the ending of the film, so I’m not yet drawing a final conclusion. But from what *seems* to be happening, I don’t perceive them as preserving continuity, nor am I particularly appeased at the moment.

Stil time to change my mind, though… :)

433. BK613 - March 12, 2009

194
“U.S.S. Mayflower is my theory as well. In the earliest shot of it, there is definitely a letter right of the E and an F appears to be to the left. So Mayflower is a pretty good bet.

There’s also part of a registry on the saucer debris in front of the Enterprise. Appears to be a 62 or 52, can’t be sure. Definitely no name.”

I concur, and in fact, some fudging in Photoshop makes me think that there is a 1 in front of the 52/62 and maybe another 1 or 0 trailing.

Which leads me to:

USS Mayflower NAR-1620

:-)

434. Closettrekker - March 12, 2009

#432—“But unless you can really say that the intent of the studio–at least under the current team overseeing Star Trek–is to return to the original continuity, then discarding is precisely what they’re doing.”

Telling stories which begin and end in the same timeline is different from preserving continuity. In the Star Trek Universe, the latter can be done with or without the former.

435. Alex Rosenzweig - March 12, 2009

#434 – To my mind, there is a direct form of continuity that does involve playing in the same world, whether one calls it a universe, a timeline, or a continuum. One can dodge the semantics by conceptualizing a multiverse, but it doesn’t change the reality of what’s going on. The people making this movie have apparently chosen to dispense with the world of Star Trek as it has existed for 4+ decades, and crafted a story specifically designed to allow them to do so.

Or so it appears.

Whether that’s true, and if so, by how much, remains to be seen.

436. chronic_pon_farr - March 12, 2009

FIY: THE TRAILER IS NOT LINEAR!

For those of you who are unaware, trailers are not always linear. They were not edit together in a chronological manner, and the audio does not always belong to the scene.

For example:

1. “James T. Kirk was a great man. But that was another life!” – This audio line may possibly not belong to the scene where Nero was saying something. If you that scene carefully, you will notice that the audio in not in sync with Nero’s mouth movements. Also, the “but that was another life” line may not actually follow “…great man” and is possibly said by another person.

2. The “Yes we do..” line may not follow the”We have no captain….” line. So its likely that kirk didn’t get dibs on the chair.

These kind of stuff are often done in trailers to add excitement, possibly infer some kind of meaning.

This information is only for people who may not be aware of this.

437. Harry Ballz - March 12, 2009

With the way you dispensed that information your post might be considered a trailer FOR trailers!

438. BK613 - March 12, 2009

The Sulu screenie between the long shot of the platform and the shot where he is fighting the Romulan(?) is reversed (note the arrowhead on the strap of his skydiving suit.)

439. chronic_pon_farr - March 12, 2009

438

Yes I have seen a lot of flipped scenes in star trek. Maybe to make it look fresh?

440. chronic_pon_farr - March 12, 2009

I hope we get to see the 24th century LCARS GUI in this movie just to tie it in. And that new starfleet uniform seen in the prequel comics looks better and more formal as opposed to the pajamas seen 33 years after voyager returned home.

441. Closettrekker - March 13, 2009

#436—-“The “Yes we do..” line may not follow the”We have no captain….” line. So its likely that kirk didn’t get dibs on the chair.”

The way I understand it from what was reported about the 20 minute preview, Pike places Spock in temporary command with Kirk as second before leaving the ship.
Given the advice that Nimoy’s Spock gives his old friend about exploiting the weakness of his younger self in order to assume command, it seems that Kirk is–by that time–next in line to take the chair.

I doubt it has anything to do with “dibs”…

442. Closettrekker - March 13, 2009

#435—“One can dodge the semantics by conceptualizing a multiverse, but it doesn’t change the reality of what’s going on. ”

Neither I nor the writers have “conceptualized a multiverse”. The groundwork for that was established more than 4 decades ago, when the potential for an altered timeline being created as a result of interference with the past was first made a part of Star Trek canon.

It is clear that this is a potential you would rather not see realized, but I do not think that it is a continuity argument—rather—it is a valid creative choice with which you happen to disagree.

“The people making this movie have apparently chosen to dispense with the world of Star Trek as it has existed for 4+ decades, and crafted a story specifically designed to allow them to do so.

Or so it appears.”

It would appear that they have chosen to tell a story which takes advantage of that aspect of Trek’s canon. On that much, we can agree. But I do not see that as “dispensing” with what has been done in the past with Star Trek, anymore than creating a new set of characters and telling stories 10 or 20 years after Nemesis would be so.

In either case, previously established continuity (ENT-NEM) would lead to that point.

A + B still = C.

443. thorsten - March 13, 2009

@441…

right on, CT.
Pike makes Spock acting Captain, and Kirk XO.
Spock maroons Kirk on DV.
Spock Prime tells Kirk how to unhinge Spock Quinto
Kirk and Scotty transwarp to the ship.
Kirk provokes Spock.
McCoy relieves Spock from command.
Kirk takes his chair.

444. AJ - March 13, 2009

443:

Spock disobeys orders and maroons his XO on D-V? It must be after Pike is confirmed dead.

445. BK613 - March 13, 2009

442
“Dispensing” isn’t the word I would choose either. “Retiring” is the word I would use. There will be no new official Paramount stories out of the prime timeline if this movie is successful.* All future Trek will most likely build on this movie and this reality (assuming no reset.) Nothing need not unfold as it did before.

BTW, IMO, all your logic about A + B = C says is this:
You must reach the end before you can rewind to the start. Well, whether you put in a new tape (a reboot) or reach the end and rewind (this movie), if your intent is to record something new, you are at the same place functionally. Again, IMO.

*(some will mention that there were no new stories coming out of this continuity anyway. I submit that this origin story could have been written without the alternate reality stuff and been just as well done.)

446. Closettrekker - March 13, 2009

#445—“There will be no new official Paramount stories out of the prime timeline if this movie is successful.* All future Trek will most likely build on this movie and this reality…”

That does seem to be the case, but I am not sure how different the two “realities” will be in the end. After all, particularly within a work of fiction, it is quite possible that two roads may lead to the same place.

In fact, Bob Orci suggested here quite some time ago that the story does not prelcude what is depicted in TNG, for example.

“BTW, IMO, all your logic about A + B = C says is this:
You must reach the end before you can rewind to the start. Well, whether you put in a new tape (a reboot) or reach the end and rewind (this movie), if your intent is to record something new, you are at the same place functionally. Again, IMO.”

That’s not what it says at all.

What it says is this:

The events of the previous Trek series and films (A+B) leads the story to this point (C).

It doesn’t really matter what “C” is. The fact that “C” may indeed represent an altered timeline in which some events may unfold differently than before does not change the fact that such an end is arrived at through a succession of previously depicted events (which is what “continuity” means in serial fiction).

“I submit that this origin story could have been written without the alternate reality stuff and been just as well done.”

Forgetting the difficulty of then including Nimoy, that’s assuming that the very presence of an altered timeline has no value to the story. I think that having not yet seen *this* origin story, nor another one (minus an alternate timeline) with which to compare it— (no offense, but) that’s quite an uninformed opinion.

This movie may be bad, but I don’t think it will be so because of any altered timeline. If it is—it will be because of poor writing, acting, or directing—pretty much like anything else. It could very well be a good story that ends in an altered timeline, or a poor one that ends in an altered timeline.

447. chronic_pon_farr - March 13, 2009

Say this movie will be highly successful, and the suits at Paramount decides a new series will be a good idea, do you think a new series will build on this reality?

In the series, we only get to see a corner of San Francisco, A couple of rooms in Starfleet Headquarters, A normal looking with a big starfleet logo nailed on the front, and old-people-pajama-looking uniforms. We also only get to see some less than fantastic special effects, the same looking planet, star field, nebulae, and so on. This is because of budget restrictions.

Star Trek 2009, being a big budget movie, can afford to create a more realistic future cityscapes, sets, props, special effects, and so on.

A new series based on this new movie would be pretty dull, aesthetically anyway. This is only my opinion.

448. Harry Ballz - March 13, 2009

Either that or the television division cuts the movie people in for a cut and they get to use various sets from the movies while the films are between production!

Anything for a buck…..er, I mean bud!

449. t - March 15, 2009

@48

Romulus is destroyed in a supernova according to the comics (canon). I believe the planet imploding is Vulcan.

450. JTrek - March 15, 2009

I dont think I’ll see it. I was hoping the newer trailor would light some interest…but nope…nuthin. I grew up in the TNG era of Trek, then had to retroactively find out about Kirk and friends. This movie will garner its fans…legions of IPhone carrying, Gossip Girl watching, bottled water guzzling minions will flock to this Star Wars adjacent sci-fi flick and love it for its very…VERY simple story of action, sex, and tight outfits.
And I leave the fandom to them. I have my DVDs and memories. Just like th crusty old TOS fans to this day bitch and moan about THEIR Trek being the only true Trek, I will do the same…at the ripe old age of 27. Loved the TOS movies, though the series is unwatchable for me…
If this revamps the frachise…great…millions more dollars to be squeezed out of Roddenberrys corpse. But make no mistake…this will not be Star Trek…its will be an “entertaining science fiction film” for the masses.
Thats all. If people can just accept that (and the latest effort to drag us back, kicking and screaming into the TOS tomb)…then all will be well.

451. James Morgan - March 18, 2009

There are a lot of assumptions at the begining of the shot by shot analysis. just because Kirk’s bike has Iowa plates dosent necessarily mean that he is or the ship is being contructed in Iowa. Cant really say they are spoilers really…

452. Anthony Pascale - March 18, 2009

the ‘spoilers’ above are not assumptions, but based on seeing footage that is not yet public and talking to people associated with the film on and off the record.

453. James Morgan - March 18, 2009

Ah well, Im sure everyones questions will be answered on May 8th… really looking forward to this one. Do you think this is the last trailer to emerge or will there be a theatrical one?..

454. Jace - April 29, 2009

so is that a member of the Jedi Council just to the left of Kirk’s head in the shot with a close-up of him at the Academy assembly?

455. shireinthecity - May 11, 2009

I would really love a close look at Pike’s Star Fleet Academy ring if at all possible. Also a clear shot of both Future Spock and Kirk’s Delta Vega Parkas.

456. David - May 12, 2009

Has no one else noticed Kirks immediate jump from Cadet to Captain. I’m throwing the BS flag on this one. As far as this movie goes, Spock would have been the more believable one to relieve Pike as Captain of the Enterprise in the end. You just dont go from being a Cadet to a Captain of anything. Very unbelievable. The movie was entertaining but the BS flag must be thrown.

457. Dave - June 1, 2009

I loved the movie but was horrified at the destruction of both Romulus and Vulcan,the fact that the timeline was not restored left me feeling very nervous about the franchise’s future,what are we paying those guys who inforce the Temporal Prime Directive for?

Well they did drop the ball on the whole Xindi thing,but still the loss of these two core worlds in the Star Trek universe? bad medicine I say

Now with this timeline the Alpha quadrant will be doomed to loose the Dominion war

Also I wasnt thrilled with the Romulans looking like extras from Road Warrior I could see if the crew did that out of mourning for their lost homeworld but the scene on Romulus w/ Spock showed they too were bald .

I can only hope Q shows up and snaps the two planets back into existence in the sequel or those temporal agents who pestered Archer rescue Spock and help him do the job right the first time

I’d prefer to see the Skorr or the Kzinti utilized in future sequels too ,if any both have lots of potential as adversaries

Still these complaints aside I really did love the movie

one more thing what about Romulus’ twin world Remus? no mention of it’s fate

but if they dont repair the traditional timeline they run the risk of ruining the franchise

458. Masana82 - June 5, 2009

#450. JTrek wrote: “But make no mistake…this will not be Star Trek…its will be an “entertaining science fiction film” for the masses.”

I was born in 1982, so I’m 27. I’ve never watched the old Star Trek movies or original series, but watched the Next Generation and this new movie. I always thought that Star Trek was, and will always be, an entertaining science fiction film. The tolerance and understanding messages all the die hard fans talk about are still there in the new movie.
There’s no sex scene, just a comic “almost sex scene” in the entire movie. The tight outfits as just as tight as in the original series:

STO outfit: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KWR_gvxCigs/SVfi0CO5k4I/AAAAAAAABgA/qVqCyCyNMRk/s320/Uhura1.jpg

Please, go watch it and let us know if you enjoyed, or not.

:D
Cheers!

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