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BSG Preview: “Daybreak” Parts 2 & 3 – Series Finale Airs Tonight March 20, 2009

by Rosario T. Calabria , Filed under: BSG , trackback

This is frakkin it! Tonight is the two-hour series finale of Battlestar Galactica. Tonight’s episodes, "Daybreak, Parts 2 and 3", will see Adama leading the Galactica on one last mission. We have previews for that, plus the latest frakkin links and more, including a follow-up on the United Nations panel.

 

“Daybreak, Parts 2 and 3” [Season 4 Eps. 20-21]
US: Airing March 20th on SciFi at 9 PM (8 Central)
Canada: Airing March 20th on Space at 9 PM (6 Pacific)
UK: Airing March 23rd on Sky1
 

Synopsis: Admiral Adama leads the Galactica into a dangerous mission, one which he admits could be the final one for the aging ship.

DVR Notice: Finale Running 2 hours and 11 Minutes
SCI FI has announced that the finale will be running 11 minutes over its two-hour time period, so be sure to set your DVR/recording device accordingly.

Preview (SciFi – USA)

Preview (Space – Canada)

Preview (Sky1 – UK)

Last Week’s Episode ("Daybreak, Part 1") Roundup

The episode is not yet available for streaming, but here is the recap:

Also check out Ron Moore’s podcast for the episode, it is enlightening.

Ratings analysis
"Daybreak, Part 1" drew 1.66M viewers, slightly above the audience of episode 18, which drew 1.57M viewers the week prior. Through nine episodes, the second half of season 4 has averaged 1.70M viewers (-19% from the season 4.5 premiere).

BSG NEWS

The Plan and Caprica Details
This past Monday, the SCI FI Channel hosted a press screening of tonight’s finale. But don’t expect any spoilers, as creator Ronald D. Moore was on hand to have the gathered press swear not to reveal anything.  On the plus side, there were some new details to come out of the event on spin off "Caprica" as well as the two-hour standalone movie "The Plan".  Here are some highlights, via Maureen Ryan at the Chicago Tribune.

Head on over to the Chicago Tribune to read much more.  You can also read another report on the finale screening at the LA Times.

Footage from BSG UN Panel
Last week we reported on the panel at the United Nationals panel and now you can read some reports on the event over at the Chicago Tribune and at Alan Sepinwall’s site.  But if that’s not enough for you, don’t worry, the entire United Nations panel has been archived on the U.N. Webcast Archives.  The panel runs about 2 hours and 4 minutes.  You can also skip to specific chapters of the event: Introduction (15 minutes), Human Rights (35 minutes), Children and Armed Conflict (30 minutes), Terrorism (20 minutes) and Reconciliation and Dialogue Among Civilizations and Faiths (20 minutes).

Frakkin BSG links

Even more BSG
If that isn’t enough for you, keep track of all your Frakin needs at our favorite BSG site, Battlestar Sitrep.

Comments

1. brad Mckenzie - March 20, 2009

battlestar is over reminds me of when some trek shows ended

2. sean - March 20, 2009

Here’s hoping they go out in a blaze of glory!

3. Olley Olley Olley - March 20, 2009

great show, and fantastic cast and crew,
BSG, you will be missed

4. Radioactive Spock - March 20, 2009

Possible correction: sci-fi/bsg website lists 9/8c for time. I actually checked it a little while ago to make sure because it seemed odd it would go to eleven.

5. tbk1701 - March 20, 2009

As much as I couldn’t wait for this day, I am also sad to see it has come.

6. Radioactive Spock - March 20, 2009

5. So say we all. I’m tempted to take a page from Adama himself and not watch it so in my mind it never ends. Not so tempted that i would actually be able to resist, however. lol

7. Can't Wait for May 8th 2009 - March 20, 2009

For someone who has watched the series since the beginning its very sad to watch it come to an end. Its funny how its been 10yrs since DS9 ended and now 10yrs later a series that is very much its cousin comes to an end. I will miss you BSG but I will always have the DVDs.

8. RAMA - March 20, 2009

Everybody blows up! Woo-hoo! I am being facetious…but its sad but I just hope the show is put out of its misery at this point.

9. JWM - March 20, 2009

Black Hole + Lazy sci fi writing x Star Trek writer / series finale = “Infinte Loop”

So say the odds.

10. Enterprisingguy - March 20, 2009

I really hope Baltar gets his. Of all the characters he deserves it the most!

But either way I think this will be a great finale!

11. Anthony Pascale - March 20, 2009

I am preparing myself to be disseminated tonight….didn’t love last week’s episode.

FYI: If you are thinking of posting a ‘why is this article here comment’ I suggest you don’t. It is here because I want it here, it is the finale so just move on

12. Jeyl - March 20, 2009

1, 2, 3, and LUCIFER!

13. That Nutty Fanboy - March 20, 2009

5. So say we all!

14. Chingatchkook - March 20, 2009

#11 – Why is this article here? Because it is a frakkin’ fantastic show!

I can’t believe how mixed I feel about this. It was a great ride, and I’ve really looked forward to seeing how it all turns out. It’ s just a sad thing to think that this is it, there ain’t no more.

I’m really intrigued by Edward James Olmos’ comments about how one would have to watch the whole series again after seeing ‘The Plan’. Just when I thought that BSG would have no more plot twists and intrigue because its the end of the series, we find out that this might not be so. That sounds pretty much like the mantra of BSG that’s existed all along…expect the unexpected.

Thanks, Ron Moore and Company!

15. StarQrtrs - March 20, 2009

Agreed with you #11. People need to give us a break for one last week. After tonight they won’t see another headline from BSG for a long, long time.

16. Jeyl - March 20, 2009

@15

I don’t think anyone has said anything yet……

17. Tim Lade - March 20, 2009

Anthony look up freedom of speech. You could stand a good dose of it. Did you design this website to serve your own purposes or to raise the level of debat about science fiction. Given the number of rising threads with the theme of “what is wrong with trekmovie? trekmovie sucks” you should consider re-evaluating what/why you are doing this.

Feel free to delete the comment or ban me. It just makes me even more right.

Back on topic though, should be an occassion to remember. I feel that RDM has lost interest in the whole show. There is a tonal shift about half way through season 3 when the show stopped being about anything happening. A show can be about characters and still have plot. BSG has moved away from plot and focused instead on characters with absoloutly nothing happening. It’s a shame because it seems from the interviews that RDM has gotten bored with the whole show. His interviews seem forced and I even read that they have felt hampered by the show’s title. If you don’t want to make Battlestar Galactica then don’t make it…but don’t drive your show in a very different direction from where it began. If you watch the mini-series it has a great deal of plot and character. It was a fine piece of writing, outstanding acting, and the special effects and music are top notch. RDM et al has often held up ’33’ as being the best episode they ever made. Fair enough, but look at the structure of that episode. A good dose of plot with a good balance of character moments, and an excellent overall story. I sort of feel that the writers room has been drinking from the keg of character too much and the tonal shift has had an effect on the show. Interesting to see where ‘The Plan’ takes us.

Fire at will.


–Tim

18. EvilSean666 - March 20, 2009

We have to wait until Tuesday to see it here in Ireland on Sky!! For Frack sake!

Here’s hoping we have a Sci-Fi show that ends without any Time-Travel involved. To me, that would be a novelty!!

Can’t wait to see this though. Please give HUGE BIG warnings if TrekMovie is going to post a synopsis of the episode, with SPOILER ALERT for those of us who have to wait for the ship to cross the Atlantic with the tape!!!

19. Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire - March 20, 2009

Well. Tonight is it and I hope they give us what we all want. Finding Our Earth. I hope we see all the action and drama and suspense that the better eps had and even more. I will be glued to the Tv tonight and Hopeing for one Fracken Ride!!!!!!

20. Pleasure Girl1990 - March 20, 2009

It’s fair to say, it just doesn’t get any hotter than this!!!!!!

21. Warren - March 20, 2009

I could be one of those viewers! Sadly I’m never able to watch the episodes when they air, so Torrent it is for me!

And the memories… I remember when I was 12 and watching the series finale of TNG; still the best episode of Star Trek of all time and what should have been Generations.. or Insurection.

22. SciFiMetalGirl - March 20, 2009

#17 “Given the number of rising threads with the theme of “what is wrong with trekmovie?” I don’t know what or where you are finding these threads at, but I haven’t seen any! IMO, Trekmovie rocks! Don’t like it here? Simple solution: Don’t come here, don’t post. Problem solved!

As for BSG, I am hoping to be able to see this ep before I have to go to work tonight. I am sure that no matter what, it will be a bittersweet ending! But from the looks of the preview, we are sure to see more than a few fireworks!

The truth will be revealed! (I hope!)

23. SerenityActual - March 20, 2009

Being one of the many who were turned off on BSG when they shifted to the whole Cylon soap opera after New Caprica, I have to admit to not being so interested any more. I hope that they can wind up the series in the way they started it.

It was a good run, and glad they knew when to pull the plug.

24. Olley Olley Olley - March 20, 2009

17

regarding theshift in tone, every season in BSG has delt with different themes and events and the effects caused, its not like voyager where the crew walked around in pristine uniforms on a pristine ship facing a villian of the week.
As for drinking from teh keg of character, please i want more.
I feel i know more about how confused and lost Kara Thrace feels after a few episodes than EVER getting to know Beverley Crusher after 6 seasons and 4 movies.
BSG have been a quality product with a few slips up, but nothing is perfect.
Regarding freedom of speech, when it comes to websites, the site admin is king and your posting here at the admins discretion.

25. CmdrR - March 20, 2009

Can’t wait… except I want it to last. Hmmm…

Looking forward to “The Plan.” I have no idea whether I’ll jump into Caprica. Not knowing how much of a ride it could be…

Anyway — GREAT SERIES! Thanks and congrats to all involved.

26. Ryan T. Riddle - March 20, 2009

^Yeah, we know more about the people of BSG than the ciphers that were the TNG characters.

There are some things that I disagree with in regards to how things were handled in BSG, but it’s still the best FRAKKIN’ show. I’ll miss it when it is gone.

SO SAY WE ALL!

27. S. John Ross - March 20, 2009

Sigh. I keep watching, out of inertia. The first two seasons were smart, layered drama.

From S3 on, when there’s a bit of allegory, so they dress it in a cartoon allegory suit, plaster a big neon “ALLEGORY HERE” sign on it, march a marching band past it playing “Hail to the Allegory,” turn the characters into mouthpieces to dissect the allegory, replace the plots with simplified frameworks on which to drape the allegory, and then dedicate a follow-up episode to recapping the allegory in case anyone was thick enough to miss it the first time.

28. Ensign Ro- (short for Roland) - March 20, 2009

RE: #21 – Warren

I’m in the same boat as you. But there is a bright side…Saturday morning, cup of coffee, kicked back in front of my widescreen computer monitor…and no commercials. lol

I’ve enjoyed this show a great deal. Even the weak episodes (such as last week’s). Another fine show comes to an end…I only hope it’s a fitting ending.

And I agree with #10 (Enterprisingguy)…I hope Baltar bites the big one. I hate that mealy-mouthed little wuss. lol

29. SciFiMetalGirl - March 20, 2009

Anticipating the end of BSG is almost as exciting as anticipating the new Star Trek movie! This is fun!

30. King Of All Blacks - March 20, 2009

I’m really sad but excited to see the finale.

I’ve watched & stuck with BSG since the 2003 miniseries, and it has been a great frakking ride!

Thank You Ron Moore & Cast & Crew for this great show!

So Say We All!!!

31. Radioactive Spock - March 20, 2009

17. do you own stock in trekmovie.com? if not then shut up. you have no say in goings on. let us know when you get a site up so we can tell you how to manage it.

32. THX-1138-Star Trek: Timmy! - March 20, 2009

Man, I was so damn lucky to get to see this show. It was ( and still is one more time) Must See TV. I can’t wait for tonight’s episode and I dread tonight’s episode, knowing that it is all over with. I have a gig tonight and will come home after my last set and turn on my 2 hrs. and 11 mins. of the last BSG episode and probably get choked up. Just like I did when I watched All Good Things.

BSG= Best Show Going, Going, Gone!

SO SAY WE ALL!!

33. sean - March 20, 2009

#17

“Anthony look up freedom of speech. You could stand a good dose of it. Did you design this website to serve your own purposes or to raise the level of debat about science fiction. Given the number of rising threads with the theme of “what is wrong with trekmovie? trekmovie sucks” you should consider re-evaluating what/why you are doing this.

Feel free to delete the comment or ban me. It just makes me even more right.”

I may be wrong, but I think he created the site to talk about the new Star Trek movie. Feel free to correct me, Anthony, by all means.

34. Daoud - March 20, 2009

#17 There is no freedom of speech on someone else’s owned website. Just sayin’. You’re a guest here, we all are, don’t forget! I’m in this thread because I’m enjoying BSG and want to read about it. If I want to read paeans to an imagined free speech right in a publication one doesn’t pay to provide… I’ll go to politico.com or something.

As for the rest of your comments, just because you think you’re right, doesn’t mean you are. Anthony’s a superb fellow, who takes a lot of flack, and at the same time provides a great service to his fellow fan at no cost to us. He’s the bigger fan, he won’t delete your comments, nor will he ban you. You’ll do that all on your own.

So say we all? I say we all jump on the ship and jump one last time and take the whole damn thing out. No more loops!!!

35. VOODOO - March 20, 2009

Battlestar Galactica is the single best program of any genre ever made.

“So say we all”

36. Mirror Jordan - March 20, 2009

Sad to see it’s finally coming to an end, but it looks to be a damn good episode!

37. cbowyer - March 20, 2009

I’m pretty sure its starting an hour earlier than usual at 6pm Pacific time in Canada. That’s what I last saw advertised.

38. James Cannon UK Trekker - March 20, 2009

I’m staying awake all night till it appears online. Then that sucker is gonna be downloaded & watched whether both my eyes stay open or not.

Great show, just hope it doesnt end like Babylon 5 did. More or a whimper.

Two hours, 11 minutes… so little time, so MANY answers to be revealed!!

39. MORN SPEAKS - March 20, 2009

Today is a sad day :(

40. Poizen_Prince - March 20, 2009

Well, Galactica making an FTL jump does obviously features to a fairly major degree, seeing as they have a specific shot of the FTL key being turned in the Sci-Fi preview.

41. Rosario - March 20, 2009

Just wanted to also note that there will be previews tonight for several of SCI FI’s upcoming shows: Warehouse 13, Caprica and Stargate Universe, as well as a preview for the BSG spinoff movie The Plan.

42. rohrerbot - March 20, 2009

I am so looking forward to the show tonight but sad at the same time. This has been one of the best series ever. I love all things Trek and this replaced that Trek fix….but it was more than a replacement, it was a revival of what science fiction should be….thought provoking. The music, direction, mystery, and stories were all top notch. It is going to be a sad night to see it all end.

43. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 20, 2009

Alas, as one era ends, another one begins. It is interesting to note of BSG’s demeanor. This show lived during a period of time where there was doubt, fear, and a sense of hopelessness. Now, as BSG comes to an end, and STAR TREK, is about to premiere on May 8th, we are now living in a period of time where hope and optimism begins to flourish. Indeed, television and movies seems to be a reflection of present situations. BSG has a good run. May she forever be immortalized in conventions, syndication, and DVDs!!! SO SAY WE ALL!!!

44. D - March 20, 2009

Spoiler Alert Condition Red…

BSG-75 = SDF-1

Daedulus attack on the Cylon Colony…now all we need are some Veritech Vipers!

45. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 20, 2009

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE MADE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

46. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 20, 2009

HOLY FRAK

No spoilers! dammit!

Can we all agree to wait to comment until tomorrow?

This is the XO

47. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 20, 2009

Did you see the Trek 09 trailer?

Explosions make everything better :)

I can only hope Trek 09 is half as good as BSG

Dismissed!

48. Chingatchkook - March 20, 2009

Just finished watching the final episode…no spoilers here, except to say it was a fantastic story, absolutely fantastic. Abso-frakkin’-lutely wow.

49. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 20, 2009

Well, all’s well that ends well. This series should win an emmy.

50. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 20, 2009

Funny thing is, I work for a company that builds Cylons

uh,

I mean humanoid robots…

51. Weerd1 - March 20, 2009

Perfect- Life here began out there… Perfect.

52. Mike Ten - March 20, 2009

So, tomorrow, when we can discuss things that are considered spoilers, can some one please explain to me how those two people at the end of the show were able to be there after all that time????

Also, how did a certain character just vanish while talking to another character????

Otherwise, great ending, it didn’t cop out like some SY FY shows (Stargate Atlantis finale anyone?)

53. sean - March 20, 2009

Wow, just…wow. Amazing finale. Blaze of glory, indeed.

54. Mike Ten - March 20, 2009

#51 Life was here already.

55. VOODOO - March 20, 2009

If “Star Trek” is half as good as the final BSG we will be in great shape.

56. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 20, 2009

Mike,

that’s what the bird was all about

57. Dr. Image - March 20, 2009

So… THAT’S it???
And where exactly are the Emperor’s clothes? Oh yes, he never had any.
#17 Tim- Yes. Plot has left the building. Without question.
#52- “it didn’t cop out” Uhh, what show were you watching?

58. Jeff - March 20, 2009

An terrific finale to a terrific show!

For the life of me, I can’t understand how anyone would come on here and leave a negative comment about TrekMovie.com or Anthony and his group of writers. While organizations covering much more important things like the economy and war are becoming less and less reliable, Anthony has insisted on accuracy. While most of what we read online is recycled, short, bits, TrekMovie.com features lengthy, meaty articles on various subjects that tie into the Trek universe. Even more impressive, the site has gained the confidence and participation of those involved in Star Trek (where else will you find Bob Orci chiming in on an article about food and Star Trek, or Michael Westmore actually commenting on the design of the new ship), while staying true to being on top of things, getting information out quickly, and providing a open forum for discussion. Not only that, the site itself is designed simply and practically (taking Scotty’s maxim, “The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.”).

I say thank you to Anthony and all the writers for keeping us so in the loop about the new film and the Trek universe. I can’t wait for the next tidbit, review, or photo. Keep it up!

59. Bob and Cindy Tompkins - March 20, 2009

[Spoiler free. Watch it. That's all I can say]

We just finished watching the BSG Finale— TIVO delayed.

My wife though it was great, even though we had to take a break in the middle for her meds to take effect.

As we watched the finale, I could not shake the thought that Moore had to have had an outline for this ending in mind when he wrote the pilot. It made everything that happened before make perfect sense. Almost absolutely everything –the Miniseries and seasons 1-4– flowed in a more-or-less meandering but straight line [??] to this conclusion- the best finale for any TV series ever [sorry TNG fans].

60. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - March 20, 2009

Awesome best two hour’s of sci fi ever !!!!

Ron Moore likes to bury his heroes under a pile of rocks doesn’t he!!

Working on my Shatner Kirk – Galactica comic as I write this. I am inspired!!!

Hope to have a pic up of my teaser art panel over the weekend

Stay tuned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

61. Bob and Cindy Tompkins - March 20, 2009

Addendum: My wife and I are in agreement ; Battlestar Galactice- the Ron Moore version- was everything Star Trek: Voyager could, and should have been.

62. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 20, 2009

#52

I see your point. There was some unanswered questions. It is possible to create a spinoff. The very ending was interesting. But, I believe that there was room left intentionally to either create a spinoff or a couple of TV movies.

63. tHE tRUTH iS oUT tHERE - March 20, 2009

Wow, I thought I knew where it was going….and it pretty much did…but what a great story…..kinda follows some beliefs I have….mythology and stereotypes usually have some basis in fact….it was a great four years of engaging entertainment….thank you BSG….

64. tHE tRUTH iS oUT tHERE - March 20, 2009

Oh….and nice touch to put the trailer in there….it is the first time I actually got goose pimples….seeing it in the middle of a regularly watched show made it even more real….The Future Begins…..!

65. Andy - March 20, 2009

MY STUPID DVR DIDN’T RECORD IT AT ALL. I even checked before I left for work this morning to make sure it was programmed and it was. Ain’t technology great?!?! NOT! Man I’m really annoyed right now. Can someone cheer me up and say that the final episodes will come to DVD in April? I heard somewhere that they were and wanted to know if it was true or not.

66. Weerd1 - March 20, 2009

52- those aren’t the physical characters. “I see angels…”

54- and yet who is the mitochondrial ancestor?

57- what show were YOU watching? I have no questions, I am sorry if you do.

I’ll say it again- perfect; note perfect ending.

67. Dr. Image - March 20, 2009

About as satisfying and ending as Matrix Revolutions had…
and Voyager, for that matter.
Oh well, if everyone loved it so much, then, whatever….

68. Bob and Cindy Tompkins - March 20, 2009

If you are not on EST or CST, it’ll be repeated after the replay of last weeks’ episode….

69. Bob and Cindy Tompkins - March 20, 2009

Does Sci-Fi…. ahem….. SyFy have a Western Feed?

70. Bob and Cindy Tompkins - March 20, 2009

It also repeats March 27 at 7PM EST. Or is it EDT? I can’t ever keep that time-shift that originated to save lamp oil in 1916 straight…….

71. CharleyP - March 20, 2009

If you miss it, just buy it on iTunes.

72. Gabriel Bell - March 20, 2009

I’m not a fan of BSG, but I hope those of you that are enjoyed the finale.

In regards to this thread and TrekMovie.com, I can say with certitude that Tim Lade is a complete and utter douchebag. (Sorry, Anthony. Probably crossing the line, but really warranted.)

73. Jared Butcher - March 20, 2009

I think everyone is being too hard on old Timbo “Never Been” Lade.

He’s the type of guy you shouldn’t get angry with, but rather we should all get together pop around his house and just give him a sweet little hug and whisper “it’ll be okay” in his ear. Maybe make him some hot chocolate and leave him to it.

74. Gabriel Bell - March 20, 2009

#73. Much better. I rescind my earlier (but quite factual) post.

75. Carlos Teran - March 20, 2009

I miss DS9… and I know I’ll miss BSG after tonight. I can’t wait to have BSG in BluRay.

76. KMKProd - March 20, 2009

I must say, it was a rather intriguing ending. I actually think they did a great job sending the show off. The way they took care of the fleet of ships… everything had a sense of honor to it. I am really impressed and also sad to see the series end.

77. Sadie - March 20, 2009

I saw the finale. I didn’t care for the BSG series, but I have to admit. They really did the BSG franchise in general a wonderful service with that episode. Well done! Bravo!

78. Anthony Pascale - March 20, 2009

the show has aired on the west coast, spoilers are fine

that was one hell of a finale. I thought it would be dissapointing, but it was great. One of the best, up there with finales for TNG, DS9, and great non genre finales like The Wire.

it answered many questions, gave all the characters good moments and endings, and still left a few things open. I am surprised more people didn’t die.

79. Radioactive Spock - March 20, 2009

it could not have ended any other way. superb. best 2 plus hours of tv i’ve seen in a long time.

80. Trekkiefan16 - March 20, 2009

Loved the finale and did everyone see Ron Moore? He did a Hitchcock and placed himself in the finale. I thought it was the perfect ending and I suspected for a long time this is where it was heading. Very satisfying; I feel however like I just lost my best friend. It was a wonderful ride and I hope Caprica is equally enjoyable.

81. The Lensman - March 20, 2009

Had some nice moments, but over all…..meh. Past Earth is pretty much what I expected when the show began.

82. JohnWA - March 20, 2009

BSG was where DS9 would’ve gone if Rick Berman hadn’t decided to “Disney” the darker elements. Although I’m not one for orthodoxy, this is one case where I actually agree with Berman. The orginal blueprint for DS9 would’ve radically altered Star Trek. And we’re not talking about geeky stuff like the color of the warp engines. We’re talking about alterations that would’ve made it a completely different vision from what Gene Roddenberry had in mind.

For example, Moore and company had planned “Homefront” and “Paradise Lost” as a prelude to a Federation civil war (which would presumably last several months at least). Originally, the plan was to have Leyton successfully remove Jaresh Inyo and take over Earth. Sisko and Odo would escape. And the Federation would split into a “democratic” faction led by our heroes in opposition to the Starfleet military dictatorship. This would ruin the whole Starfleet as the “good guys” idea.

They also toyed with the idea of making “Far Beyond the Stars” the actual reality (and not just Pah-Wraith and Prophet induced stuff). Which was why the episode ended with the ambiguous line: “For all we know, at this very moment, somewhere far beyond all those distant stars, Benny Russell is dreaming of us.” This would, of course, make Star Trek a 1953 fantasy even within its own canon. Ugh.

These are just two examples of Berman actually using his veto powers for good instead of evil. I like the new BSG for what it is…something completely different. But I’m glad DS9 wasn’t BSG.

83. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 21, 2009

I liked the way the old BSG music was being played when the ships was going to the sun.

Starbuck just vanished? I don’t like it. Who was she then? An angel? She can’t be. She was so instrumental, especially when she was typing those coordinates for Earth. For her to vanish just really left a question mark in my mind. My only other conclusion was that she was a hand of God. Think about it, the very end we see the “angels” Baltar and Number Six talking to each other at present day Earth. I didn’t know a cylon can be an angel. And Six seeing an angel of Baltar? The show actually ended truly in a religious tone.

84. cd - March 21, 2009

Anybody else noticed the similarities to Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy? Specifically the ship that crashlanded on pre-historic Earthcarrying the telephone sanitizers and other useless people. The President’s clothing even looked like a bathrobe ala Arthur Dent.

85. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 21, 2009

#80

I saw Ron Moore. That scene reminds me of Stan Lee being in his movies doing a small part.

86. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 21, 2009

Nope

Nothing religious about it

Mysterious, yes

Religious, no

I really really liked this movie. I loved how they used the “old girl” and Cavel popping his own cork? Brilliant!

Kara was never really there. She existed as long a Lee needed her to. Notice that Lee was always wishy-washy and second guessing himself up until he decides what he’s going to do. Finally, he’s at peace with himself, and he just doesn’t need Kara anymore.

She’ll be back in the sequel…

So was RDM supposed to be God? The One who cannot be named?

87. The Lensman - March 21, 2009

#84
Holy shit that didn’t occur to me, but you’re right! I’m sure if you asked several people in the fleet, they’d have told you that the Colonies were evacuated due to a gigantic space goat!

88. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 21, 2009

#66

I think the ancestor was Laura Roslin.

89. Bassam Salim - March 21, 2009

The episode was fantastic. It was slow at some points but wrapped things up nicely. Sure certain things were left to the imagination, but this is far better than coming up with half baked explanation.

All in all it was a very satisfying and intellectually stimulating ending.

90. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 21, 2009

#86

That does not make sense that Kara was not there. Who was then punching the coordinates for Galactica to go to Earth? It was not a figment of Lee’s imagination.

91. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 21, 2009

Truthfully, they are all figments of OUR imaginations…

No one really exists at all

Try a little Zen now and then

There have been scores of movies where characters thought they were interacting with other characters but it’s been just them all along. Fight Club, that Robert Dinero/ Dakota Fanning movie, must be others.

92. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 21, 2009

#86

I disagree with you that it was mysterious. Words like “angels” and “God,” especially when Baltar and Six were talking to each other, are religious overtones. They are not aliens, that’s for sure.

93. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 21, 2009

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Battlestar-Galacticas-Ron-1004256.aspx

This answers your question, straight out of RDM’s mouth

94. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 21, 2009

I find it intriguing that for these past four years, Battlestar Galactica and the colonies have never met a total alien species with sophisticated technology, besides their own, and the cylons they created. Think about it, “jumping” across the stars, and they never encountered another alien species, until they finally reach Earth! And what did they discover? A huminoid species equivalent to the caveman. It’s just a thought.

95. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 21, 2009

That’s a page straight out of Azimov and John Campbell’s playbook.

Azimov avoided aliens throughout his Foundation series because Campbell was pro-Nazi and Azimov was an ethnic (albeit athiest) Jew of Eastern European ancestry.

Azimov discusses this in several of his essays.

96. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 21, 2009

TVGuide.com: So she is completely different than the hallucination/visions of Baltar and Six?
Moore: Yes, Kara was physically among us. Everybody saw her. She was tactile, she flew a viper, she was around. She was with us. And yet, there was a body that died on the original Earth, and Baltar did the DNA analysis and it was her body, so she was literally brought back from the dead by something — by some higher power or other power, and she came back to serve a function.

So from RDM’s mouth, it’s spiritual.

97. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 21, 2009

Yes

but no one worships Kara Thrace, there is no Dogma or organization of any kind, hence not religious

98. JohnWA - March 21, 2009

92-

I think it was left ambiguous on purpose. Because faith is ambiguous.

We haven’t seen one alien in this entire series. For all we know, “God” is an alien running sadistic little “cycle of violence” experiments with the Cylons and Humans as essentially guinea pigs (and occassionally pops in to change the variables through avatars like Starbuck and Angel Caprica).

I wouldn’t put such behavior pass a creature like, say, Q. But the problem with actually showing Q as a character is: we – the TV audience – know what he’s upto, so we don’t regard him as mysterious, spiritual, or religious. It is far more interesting when “God” is an unknown. We don’t actually know this BSG “God.” The only place it exists is in RDM’s head. And he’s not going to tell us. Besides, any explanation would be dissapointing. So why bother?

It doesn’t have to make sense logically because whatever’s manipulating these events is way more powerful than either the Humans or the Cylons.

99. Charles H. Root, III - March 21, 2009

A higher power need not be a supernatural deity… Just one that is not yet understood or known by us.

Evolution and intelligent design do not disprove each other, nor do they prove or disprove God, Gods, religion or a supernatural plane.

Does anyone else remember “The Chase” from TNG? The intelligent design episode? The one with the hologram of The Preserver at the end?

I sense The Preservers or similar ancient race behind all the BSG mysteries.

100. Charles H. Root, III - March 21, 2009

Oh Yeah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_races#Preservers

101. LoyalStarTrekFan - March 21, 2009

99, a very interesting theory. I like it.

I haven’t been a big fan of BSG since its second season but I decided to watch the series finale tonight. It was a very, very good episode (something I was very surprised at) but the ending (the “150,000 years later” revelation at the very end) was excellent, and by far the best of all of BSG. An excellent series finale and a great sendoff for the cast and crew. I was really impressed.

82, I couldn’t agree more. Despite the BSG series finale being quite good, the series as a whole wasn’t IMO. DS9 was great throughout and it had an excellent series finale for an excellent show. BSG had a excellent series finale for an average show.

102. Charles H. Root, III - March 21, 2009

@ 101. LoyalStarTrekFan – March 21, 2009:

Thanks… Not that I’m part of RDM’s Circle Of Trust, have insider knowledge, or am authorized to speak on his behalf, but it is an intriguing way to bring continuity between the two franchises… RDM’s Theory Of Everything, if you will. ha ha

Although most of my post #105 at http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/27/bsg-preview-someone-to-watch-over-me/ I was sarcastically trying to get the folks to play nice who where fighting over RDM’s genius status, i was serious when I said:

“is it just me or did BSG not really show Earth in a way we can confirm that it is, in fact, Earth. I didn’t see any identifiable land or water masses from space… And while on the planet none of the ruins could be identified by recognizable landmarks.”

You could kinda see the finale coming as a potential outcome. I won my BSG Finale office pool with the closest winning entry where I surmised that once they find Earth (our Earth) they settled there ages ago and we’re all descendants of Cylons or Human-Cylon hybrids.

I wasn’t spot on, one hundred percent accurate but close enough to win the DVD set.

Works for me!

103. DJT - March 21, 2009

I never caught onto BSG, but found myself glued to the TV for the finale.

Good work.

But I’ll be danged if it makes any sense, though. To me at least. ;)

104. King Of All Blacks - March 21, 2009

Mo Ryan from the Chicago Tribune made an interesting observation:

Bill is the Father, Lee is the Son, and Kara was the Holy Ghost.

just sayin’.

105. Rhett Coates - March 21, 2009

Wow, what an ending. “So say we all!”

THANK YOU, RON. Thank you, cast & crew of BSG. Thank you SciFi. Well done, everyone. WELL DONE. Yes, “spiritual” is the best way to describe the feeling of “Day Break.” As creatures of emotion, it’s only right that we behave exactly as we are: human. To be less (to borrow a coined phrase) would not be logical. The BSG finale did indeed bring satisfaction, and satisfaction seldom rewards so nicely.

The moment I saw the close-up of the moon craters under the fly-over of Galactica (immediately after Laura asked Kara where she jumped the ship that one, last time), the hairs on the back of my neck stood RIGHT UP. Then when the camera angle pulled back to reveal OUR EARTH…….just WOW. ….One heck of a Great Reveal. SciFi cut to a commercial, there was a beat, and then I jumped up and ran downstairs to tell my roommate THEY FOUND IT! THEY FOUND IT! LOL.

I will agree with everyone here, with the cast and crew of the SciFi BSG Special which aired early this week, and particularly with James E. Olmos’s statement about this being a great way to end it all, the CHARACTERS’ endings were tied up nicely. IMHO.

This one’s for RON D. MOORE: Hey, bud: nice cameo in the last scene in New York City, with you reading the [newspaper?] while the “angel” [visions] of Baltar and Six talked about how things are now (“150,000 Years Later”). Brief, but fun. “Hey, it’s Ron!” I said out loud. And I felt a grin as wide as Dr. Phlox’s on my face. Not bad, pal. Nice coda.

Six’s opinion of where WE might be heading now, despite Baltar’s statement about “…[Something] look familiar?”, seemed to have a small touch of hopeful, ‘Trek-like optimism — leaving the choice up to us to decide what to do next in our Collective Life based on her statement that THIS time our species might surprise ourselves and make A Better Choice. (I noted the modern-day shots of that new, life-like female android that’s all the rage now. ‘Too real. And those toy robots –er, early versions of future Centurions? Hmmm…..)

Yeah, as Series Finales go, not bad at all.

I continue thinking along those lines [the dialogue spoken in Times Square] today, a day after the episode aired (….was this idea part of what your cast & crew panel discussed with the UN leaders? If so, maybe they will listen; one can only hope.) That’s the deal, isn’t it? Hope springs eternal, as the saying goes. Ron, from one ‘Trek writer to another, thanks, my friend. You, and the entire cast and crew, helped make a positive difference. Frakkin’ AY!

106. thorsten - March 21, 2009

A Masterpiece.

107. Loccy - March 21, 2009

I am not in the habit of posting things about TV programmes on internet forums, but for the first time in my life I know what people mean when they say they want to laugh and cry at the same time. Literally that was my reaction to the finale. At the end as Watchtower played and different robots and androids being worked on around the world were coming up I started trying to laugh despite the fact the previous events had me in tears. Masterful story-telling. BSG has meandered a bit in this last season but this was more like it. I am so disappointed it’s all over now.

108. Mike Ten - March 21, 2009

#66 Weerd1, Thanks, after thinking about it I realized they were the “angels” not the physical Baltar and Six. That explains alot.

As for Starbuck disappearing, someone has to explain that to me. What did her disappearing have to do with a bird (pigeon)?

And #57 Dr. Image, what I meant by Galactica not coping out like Voyager or Stargate Atlantis is that Atlantis and Voyager went thru major battles in their finales and everyone lives at the end. Galactica has been killing off major characters thruout it’s run and the finale wasn’t a exception.

I’m not downing Voyager or Atlantis, I liked those shows, it just bothers me that they go thru hell and everyone get’s to walk away happy everafter at the end. Deep Space Nine is the only other Sci-fi show that lost major characters along the way.

109. Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire - March 21, 2009

This was a good ending to a good show. Seeing New york at the end was great and the robots on the boards was kool. One could say that either we create our own Cylons or maybe Skynette and Termanators. Not to much of a stretch i think. Starbuck was there and that was kara Thrace. She was real but at the same time she was not. RDM left open more possibilitite for a new spinoff but this time it couldbe on our earth as we create our own Cylons.

110. Dr. Image - March 21, 2009

I refuse to pull the wool over my eyes.
All I can say is that it was a COP OUT.
Angels. Give me a BREAK. Oh THAT wasn’t Earth, THIS is!
Suspension of bisbelief, adios!
Again , imHo.

111. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 21, 2009

Mike Ten:

If Bill is the Father, Lee the Son, and Kara the Holy Spirit, then representing her with a Pigeon is appropriate because a Dove (representation of the Holy Spirit) is just a white pigeon

I can live with all of that

I still think RDM was “God” himself

Egomaniac that he is

Damn hippy needs a haircut. (lol)

112. falcon - March 21, 2009

@17 – “Freedom of speech” simply refers to Amendment 1 of the U. S. Constitution, which reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

It says nothing about a privately-owned company (or website, for that matter) being forced to allow “free speech.” That’s a choice for the owner to make. Why do you think people get fired from their jobs for making a snide remark about the boss?

Anthony is not “Congress.” The First Amendment doesn’t apply to him. Because, as Amendment 10 states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”

Now, if you’re not from the good old U. S. of A., this probably doesn’t apply to you.

Back to the post at hand: I lost track of BSG sometime in the middle of season 3. It became a bit heavy-handed, in my opinion, and lost its ability to be a “morality fable” by tying too closely to current events and situations. Plus the whole “Eye of Jupiter” thing kind of left me cold. It began to seem disjointed and confusing, and it seemed like what was left of the human race was hell-bent on self-immolation. Maybe I’m old-school, but I missed the “us-versus-them” feeling, I despaired at the lack of unity among the humans (if it were us, would we really act like that?), and the fact that it was pretty solidly ship-based drama, except for the forays into existentialism and metaphysical exploration.

113. Warren - March 21, 2009

I can’t believe that Darth Vader is Lee Adama’s father!

114. BK613 - March 21, 2009

I love the attention to detail in this show. When Adama hurls in the alley and then looks up at the stars and they dissolve to the fleet hanging in space, there is the constellation Orion providing a backdrop for the fleet. Not some generic star field but the right frakking stars for where they are.

115. Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire - March 21, 2009

I did like the fact they had orignal Cylons in the series ender and loved seing the new cylons kicking the Frak out of the old ones. The orignal Music they played as the galactica went to the sun was very Moving and felt right for her final sendoff. Alll in all it was a good series ender and finaly all of the Humans were at peace with one another.

116. Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire - March 21, 2009

I caught something that i do not think anyone else has caught. Are some of us Humans in todays earth part Cylon. I mean there were severl Cylons on our earth along with the survivoing members of the fleet. so. it is quite possible that some of us on Trek Movie and you to Anthony are quite possibly Part Cylon. Now think about that.

117. Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire - March 21, 2009

Also with that being the case. it is also possible that Kirk and Mccoy and Scotty could also be part Cylon.

118. The Khan Federation - March 21, 2009

Am I reading too much into this, or did Galactica ramming the Cylon colony look like a sperm penetrating an egg?

I wonder if Chief Tyrol went off and built Stonehenge.

119. Weerd1 - March 21, 2009

That’s really a cool thing from the geek standpoint- if BSG is OUR past, and Trek is OUR future, Trek and BSG are in continuity! We break the cycle… When they showed the robot ending, I immediately flashed to Dr. McCoy and his human discomfort with technology.

120. Mike Ten - March 21, 2009

#119 That is a cool tie-in with Galactica happening 150,000 years in our past and Trek 200 years (Enterprise) in our future.
I can believe the Starbuck as a “angel” especially with Trek having beings like the “Q” .

It would have been nice to tie in the light ships from the original series as a explanation of what happened to Starbuck. The light ships could have been a third faction that maybe figured out resurrection for humans.

121. Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire - March 21, 2009

As I sated in an earlier post. Kirk and Scotty and the rest of the Human Tos could all or some be part Cylon. Now would that be something.

122. Warren - March 21, 2009

As much as we would like to connect BSG to Trek based on the finale, I recall a mention of Cylons from the broadcast in New York.

123. Benoit Lauzon - March 21, 2009

Fantastic ending to a fantastic series. Reminescent of the great stories from the golden age of sci-fi. Just wondering why they played the theme from Alien most of the episode, though…

124. Rosario - March 21, 2009

First part was much better than the second and overall I had a ton of issues with it.

Suffice it to say, I didn’t like it at all. I’ll leave it at that.

125. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 21, 2009

You know, a lot of your questions would be answered if you click on that little BSG SITREP link AP was nice enough to include

Anders was never an A list character for me. He was minor like Cally and Gaeta. I’m okay with him crashing all the ships into the sun.

AND: RDM says somewhere in the Sitrep links that Kara takes us to both Earths. The Cylon Earth, which as I’ve complained about numerous times was never shown to be our Earth, and OUR Earth in the final jump which is clearly shown to be our Earth.

Considering that “Earth” literally means farming soil, and Terra means land in general, and Adam(a) means red mud, its okay that they named “our” Earth after the failed Cylon Earth. I’m cool with that.

Besides, our planet should be called Mer or Oceana or Aqua Velva for all the water…

126. sean - March 21, 2009

[MASSIVE SPOILERS AND RECKLESS SPECULATION AHEAD]

Capt Mike, since the only successful Cylon/Human mating (to our knowledge) resulted in Hera, and she was half human/half Cylon to begin with with only humans available to mate with (presumably given Leoben’s reference to all the Cylons ‘passing into God’s hands’), we wouldn’t have a whole lot of Cylon DNA to pass around. Plus, there were 39.000 humans left that could presumably mate as much as they wanted to.

Also, was I the only one under the impression that Head Baltar and Head Six were essentially playing the roles of God (Baltar) and Satan (Six and her little red dress who isn’t ‘an optimist’)? The way Six looked right into his eyes when she spoke of ‘God’s plan’ rather sarcastically and Baltar’s very direct and borderline irritated response of ‘He doesn’t like to be called that’…it struck me that this could possibly be a conversation between deities somewhat removed and bemused by their creations. The Royals speak of themselves in the third person, why not God & The Devil? Plus, given the concept of Free Will we know that they wouldn’t directly interfere, only guide. Just a thought.

127. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 21, 2009

#119 and #120

If BSG is happening in our past (150,000 years ago) and Star Trek is our future (200 years later,) then are the Borg the descendants of the Cylons? The cycle never ends. lol

128. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 21, 2009

#126.

Fascinating analysis. That is really a fascinating analysis.

129. Simon - March 21, 2009

For those of you “old school” like me the finale directly ties in with the opening narration of the Original Series BSG

“There are those who believe, that life here, began out there…”

130. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 21, 2009

Dude!

Sean, for once I agree with you.

You should be a preacher

131. Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire - March 21, 2009

#126. Well who is to say that the Cylons werent able to reproduce and have babies with humans. So it is still possible that some of us could be Cylons. On that note we could Speculate that some of our ancesters who were near genious had some cylon DNA in them. we could go on speculating but the story gives us a lot of room to do that.

132. THX-1138-Star Trek: Timmy! - March 21, 2009

#126

Nicely done. That is a great perspective on, as you say, Head Baltar and Six. I think I may just adopt that theory myself.

My wife, who loves BSG, came away really enjoying the finale but is the type of person that wants all the questions answered where I don’t mind having some questions linger. It gives me something to continue to think about. That way the show never really ends with the credits but continues on in speculation.

I absolutely loved the last episode. It was note perfect for me. The visual tie-ins to the opera. Lee’s brother saying “Something’s broke.” as Lee and Kara are about to do the nasty. The fantastic battle sequence. The musical tribute to the original Battlestar Galactica. And the truly fantastic performances of the wonderful cast. Brilliant.

Dr. Image, you either just don’t get it, which I could care less, because you have zero chance of changing anyone’s mind at this point, or you are trolling. Give it a rest. We get that you don’t enjoy it. I am pretty comfortable that time will prove that BSG is truly an extraordinary TV program. Sorry you missed the boat while it was happening.

For all the folks who have Comcast On Demand, last night’s episode is on. Just click TV series and Battlestar Galactica will be one of the shows you can watch. It plays til the 17th of April.

133. Gorn - March 21, 2009

Battlestar Galactica has not ended…. Yet! There is still “Battlestar Galactica: The Plan”. That WILL be the last BSG episode EVER…. So, the TV series isn’t ending until November 2009. It’s just taking a brake right now. Once “BSG: The Plan” airs, the great show will finally end. So, don’t be sad quite yet… The end is near. Once “The Plan” goes on the air, Battlestar Galactica will be finished.

Then after the last true episode of BSG airs (BSG: The Plan), then we can look forward to Caprica. The prequel TV series that’s set 50 years before the BSG series. The DVD is coming out on April 21, 2009.

134. TonyD - March 21, 2009

I was kind of neutral to the finale. While it wan’t the Sopranos non-ending that I was fearful of, what we did get was competent but uninspired and hardly original. As to some thoughts:

– The Galactica ramming the colony was extremely reminiscent of the 1701-E ramming Shinzon’s ship in Nemesis.

– Anders temporarily disabling the colony’s defenses was very reminiscent of Data plugging himself into the Borg collective and putting them to sleep in All Good things.

– I really never got the connection of Roslin, Six and Athena and their shared dream in the opera house. It seemed irrelevant to me given that they didn’t really save Hera and how things ended.

– Baltar’s impassioned speech to Cavill ended up being all for nothing and the way the colony is destroyed thru coincidence was uninspired.

– Tyrol once again acts like an idiot. I’m not clear on his motivation for killing Tory since Cally was unfaithful to him, lied about his being the father of their child, and he obviously still had feelings for Boomer. I guess Moore felt the need for a BIG EXPLOSION and that was his doorway to it.

– I’m still not clear on connection of the original Cylons and Starbuck to “All Along the Watchtower”. Did “God” implant the song into their collective consciousness to help them find our Earth?

– I didn’t understand Adama’s need to leave everybody behind and essentially become a hermit. Besides being seemingly unnecessary, it really flew in the face of the character. The scene at the start, where he’s outside the club vomiting and happens to look up to the stars and smile – probably my favorite moment from the show – told us beautifully who he really was. To have him suddenly abandon the stars at the end and go build a log cabin just felt completely wrong to me.

– The very final conversation with Baltar and Six and their discussion of “God’s Plan” reminded me of the alien consciousness from Arthur C. Clarke’s Odyssey books, who sought to foster intelligence in the universe and tried to guide younger races indirectly. In fact Baltar, Six and even Starbuck to a degree could be viewed in the same light as Dave Bowman and HAL from the latter Odyssey books – immortal and immaterial beings who could appear to certain humans and help guide their destiny without ever directly interfering.

I never really developed a passion for the show and the characters never resonated with me. As such, as I watched the finale, I felt a cold detachment to it all. It never really moved me and the extended farewells with the characters went on for too long. Overall, I’d give it a 6/10 with Tigh and Baltar being the most interesting characters for me over the entire series.

135. sean - March 21, 2009

#130

It is a red letter day, because I agreed with what you said earlier about the ending not being ‘religious’. Spiritual, definitely, but there’s a distinct difference. See how great BSG is? It’s bringing everyone together! ;)

It also occurred to me that the ending could have been a loose homage to the ending of Frank Herbert’s Dune: Chapterhouse, which ends with the realization that humanity had been under observation by a man and woman who appeared to be farmers. I may be reading too much into it, though.

136. sean - March 21, 2009

#134

Some of your comments are rather baffling.

“- The Galactica ramming the colony was extremely reminiscent of the 1701-E ramming Shinzon’s ship in Nemesis.”

Extremely? Try vaguely. Galactica rammed the colony for a specific purpose (that was accomplished) as opposed to Picard ordering the Enterprise to ram Shinzon’s ship for absolutely no reason at all, other than crippling the E and causing Data’s death. Otherwise, you could compare it to ANY scene involving two ships ramming each other.

“- Anders temporarily disabling the colony’s defenses was very reminiscent of Data plugging himself into the Borg collective and putting them to sleep in All Good things.”

I guess? Data had to connect via Picard as proxy…I dunno. I’m just not seeing it.

“- I really never got the connection of Roslin, Six and Athena and their shared dream in the opera house. It seemed irrelevant to me given that they didn’t really save Hera and how things ended.”

But they did save her. Had Roslin not grabbed her when she did, she likely would have been killed in the hallway. Had Baltar & Six not snatched her up, she likely would have been killed at that point. And if not for Baltar’s impassioned speech Cavil would have either killed her or made off with her, which in turn led Tigh to offer resurrection tech as a bargaining chip. Hera was the future of human and Cylon civilization and had to survive. The visions were merely windows into this future event.

“- Baltar’s impassioned speech to Cavill ended up being all for nothing and the way the colony is destroyed thru coincidence was uninspired.”

For Baltar’s speech, see above. As for the nukes, yeah, it was a sort of ‘Oh come on!’ moment, but I wasn’t too put off by it.

“- Tyrol once again acts like an idiot. I’m not clear on his motivation for killing Tory since Cally was unfaithful to him, lied about his being the father of their child, and he obviously still had feelings for Boomer. I guess Moore felt the need for a BIG EXPLOSION and that was his doorway to it.”

So you missed all the episodes where he walked around like a zombie, miserable because of what happened? He did care for Cally, regardless of if she was the one he really wanted or not. Boomer had betrayed him, his kid wasn’t even his and he was a Cylon. Finding out Tory had killed her was the final straw. Frankly, Tory deserved it, so I was glad to see her meet some kind of justice.

“- I’m still not clear on connection of the original Cylons and Starbuck to “All Along the Watchtower”. Did “God” implant the song into their collective consciousness to help them find our Earth?”

The notes in the song were the jump coordinates to Earth.

“- I didn’t understand Adama’s need to leave everybody behind and essentially become a hermit. Besides being seemingly unnecessary, it really flew in the face of the character. The scene at the start, where he’s outside the club vomiting and happens to look up to the stars and smile – probably my favorite moment from the show – told us beautifully who he really was. To have him suddenly abandon the stars at the end and go build a log cabin just felt completely wrong to me.”

He finally found happiness with Rosyln, his true love, and now she was dead. Made perfect sense to me. I would never call Adama a ‘people person’. The scene outside the club, as I understood it, was more about the fact that he belonged on Galactica and not behind a desk somewhere. Now Galactica was gone and so was Roslyn.

“- The very final conversation with Baltar and Six and their discussion of “God’s Plan” reminded me of the alien consciousness from Arthur C. Clarke’s Odyssey books, who sought to foster intelligence in the universe and tried to guide younger races indirectly. In fact Baltar, Six and even Starbuck to a degree could be viewed in the same light as Dave Bowman and HAL from the latter Odyssey books – immortal and immaterial beings who could appear to certain humans and help guide their destiny without ever directly interfering.”

Now I’m with you. I can see that connection, definitely. Though the aliens from the Odyssey novels *did* directly interfere, via the Monoliths. They influenced human evolution as well as creating Lucifer (formerly Jupiter) so they could influence the evolution of life on Europa. And in 3001, they were prepared to exterminate mankind. So not quite as hands off as the Head Baltar and Head Six we see in BSG.

137. tHE tRUTH iS oUT tHERE - March 21, 2009

Another thought…..Adama was in awe of human life evolving thousands of light years away….really the spirituality of the show can coexists with evolution….with our limited intelligence, we just can’t comprehend it so “religion” has tried to define the the infinite space and time of the universe…

Brilliant!

138. bgiles73 - March 21, 2009

#65 Andy_MY STUPID DVR DIDN’T RECORD IT AT ALL. I even checked before I left for work this morning to make sure it was programmed and it was. Ain’t technology great?!?! NOT! Man I’m really annoyed right now. Can someone cheer me up and say that the final episodes will come to DVD in April? I heard somewhere that they were and wanted to know if it was true or not.

You need to treat that DVR with respect it might be a cylon. Sorry, to joke around like that. Surely the SCFi channel will air this show again. Well hopefully. I’m going to miss watching the show. I hope the new Glen Larson Battlestar Galactica will be as good. I can see this show and the classic Battlestar existing in the same universe at different times.The whole ” All this has happened before and will happen again” lets just such a thing be possible.

139. Jordan - March 21, 2009

So… who is God?

140. TonyD - March 21, 2009

#136 – Sean

I did get that the notes in the song were the jump coordinates; I just wasn’t clear as to how the song got into their heads in the first place.

With regard to the connection to Arthur C. Clarke’s themes, yes this is a similar but somewhat different riff in that the Monolith did sometimes take more direct action whereas Dave and HAL (who map more closely to Baltar and Six) were more subtle.

BSG’s “God” was also somewhat reminiscent of the concept of “God” from the Rama books co-written by Clarke and Gentry Lee to me, who also tinkers with humanity by relocating tribes of humans to see how they will interact.

The notion of “God” as an ancient, alien consciousness of great intelligence is a pretty common sci-fi staple, but Moore was a bit more amorphous and subtle with his use of it, probably in the hopes of not alienating more mainstream audiences.

141. LoyalStarTrekFan - March 21, 2009

132, thanks for putting that info out for Comcast customers. It’s also good news for those who want to see it again or for those who missed all or part of the series finale.

142. LoyalStarTrekFan - March 21, 2009

133, no series ever ends in the hearts and minds of its fans. And of course, fans can always relive the adventure by getting the show on DVD. Speaking of that, I’m sure Sci-Fi and NBC will announce soon when BSG: Season 4.5 will be available on DVD. BTW, anyone else think that it’s silly to divide seasons in to .0’s and .5’s. Why not release a whole season together like they did for the first and third seasons? Wouldn’t that just make sense?

143. JohnWA - March 21, 2009

(I didn’t understand Adama’s need to leave everybody behind and essentially become a hermit)

Since there’s no fleet left to command, what did you expect him to do? I think Adama ended up where he should have. After all the years of pain and suffering, it was time for him to find some peace.

It was certainly a more logical outcome than his earlier decision to leave humanity’s future with the shady ambulance chaser and the guy who’s only claim to fame throughout the entire series was…What? A brief romantic relationship with Gaeta?

144. Dr. Image - March 21, 2009

#132 “Dr. Image, you either just don’t get it, which I could care less, because you have zero chance of changing anyone’s mind at this point, or you are trolling. Give it a rest. We get that you don’t enjoy it. I am pretty comfortable that time will prove that BSG is truly an extraordinary TV program. Sorry you missed the boat while it was happening.”

I do not troll.
I’m expressing my opinion, and I’ve been around science fiction for decades, and I know the good from the bad.
I do not care to change anyone’s mind. And certainly not yours.
By the way, I’M not the one attacking anyone for liking it, I simply disagree.
So lay off.

145. Weerd1 - March 21, 2009

139- the characters on BSG can’t answer it any more than we can, and therein lies what I think was a brilliant move on RDMs part. My wife and I walked off with different interpretations based on our own spiritual experiences- as do the BSG characters! It manages to pull us the viewer into that world that much more.

146. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 21, 2009

I just can’t wait to watch the commentary episode of this. RDM is the true authority and will (hopefully) answer alot of questions we have, when we watch online with his commentary.

147. Jordan - March 21, 2009

Ok, so #145, you’re saying it’s meant to be ambiguous? Yeah… I see that. And I absolutely find that much more satisfying than anything else. Nevertheless, I want to hear people’s interpretations of who God is… I’d love to know what those ideas are. Myself? I just have no idea… not yet, anyway. I need to watch the series again for sure.

148. Warren - March 21, 2009

So Bob Dylan is a Cylon, living in present time, who holds a connection the past such that he was able to conjure All Along the Watch Tower (under the guise of protesting war).

Jimmy Hendrix is also a Cylon, having covered the song in such a way that it is more powerful/popular than Bob Dylan’s original.

The other bands that covered the song are just Cylong wannabes since none of them have been able to capture the same power and energy that Dylan or Hendrix could.

So Bob Dylan is God. Hendrix is God’s friend.

149. immortal redshirt - March 21, 2009

so i loved this epsiode, it thought it was an amazing sendoff. the only thing i am confused about is this, what was the deal with kara thrace being the herald of the apocalypse, she certainly didnt lead them to their doom. im just confused a bit by this.

150. Trekkiefan16 - March 21, 2009

#149 – That was the only aspect of the ending that baffled me too. If anyone has an ideas, I would love to hear them.

151. sean - March 21, 2009

#149

I’ve been thinking about that ever since the episode ended. The line about her leading ‘humanity to its end’ could be interpreted in different ways, she did lead them to the end of their journey. But as far as being ‘the harbinger of death’, that I’m not sure of. It could have to do with her being an angel and as such a sign of her own death and transformation…why the Hybrid said not to follow her though, that’s where it kind of falls apart. Unless the Hybrid was somehow a false prophet.

152. sean - March 21, 2009

It could also mean she was the harbinger of death for the Cylon race, since it came from the Hybrid. And the skinjobs were effectively wiped out (presumably the ones on Earth simply passed into shadow or went into God’s hands, as Leoben put it). Or it could have to do with her finding the original Earth, and that it was dead. If the fleet had followed her into the wormhole/black hole/whatever it was that killed her, they’d have been killed too.

153. Chingatchkook - March 21, 2009

I love reading all of the comments and opinions of what the final 2 hours might have meant. Here we are, about a day after the last episode, and the opinions are pretty wide and varied. After the final episode, Space had a panel discussion about the final episode, I found one of the comments interesting. To paraphrase, ‘what we are seeing right now is the episode in its raw form. What will opinion be after 25 years? I think that it will be a lot like Blade Runner, the meaning of this episode and the series will continue to evolve and mature.” Judging by the wide variety of opinions in the last 24 hours, I tend to agree.

I found myself thinking about this episode all day today while at work. I think that I’ll be thinking about it for a long time to come. Heh, sounds like Ron More did his job well :-)

154. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 21, 2009

All Along the Watchtower is a song in reverse.

If you rearrange the stanzas in their proper order, you get a small, self contained story. The riders are the Joker and the Thief. They have a brief conversation about giving up and dying.

In the current configuration, AATW is open ended. How did the the Joker and the Thief get there? Who are the riders? What does their conversation really mean?

The genius of AATW as currently configured directly parallels the genius of BSG as currently configured: Open Ended, loaded with half-answers, provoking questions.

AATW is not anti-war in any sense. It’s just a damn good yarn.

And Jimi Hendrix is GOD

Believe it :)

PS: Sean, I had no idea you were so well read.

I got bored with Dune, though. I hate overly florid writing. I like short, controlled bursts of tight, concise fantasy.

155. sean - March 21, 2009

#154

As I understand it, Dylan has the unfortunate habit of repeating the first verse again while performing the song live, which substantially reduces the song’s impact.

And agreed, Hendrix IS God (even Bob says the definitive version belongs to Jimi), though according to Head Baltar he doesn’t like it when you call him that ;)

156. MC1 Doug - March 21, 2009

I haven’t seen BSG since season one… have all the series and ‘Razor’ on DVD. I have so much catching up to do!

(and purposefully did not read the lengthier posting … and for that matter any that seemed to give too much away… no spoilers for me as I really do want to see the show.

157. Tango - March 22, 2009

I felt that there were strong parellels between the angels and resurection message in this BSG and the original BSG. A lot of these themes were also in Larson’s BSG as well.

I also felt similar parallels between BSG and Stephen King’s the Stand as well, where seeming coincidences were really the work of the supernatural.

Both movies left me sleepless and disturbed though.

158. BaltarStar Galactica - March 22, 2009

I had no problem with Starbuck disappearing. None. And I’m glad the RDM didn’t “explain” it to me. So what was she? An angel? What were the Head-Baltar and Head-Six characters? I don’t know. Don’t really need to know.

Why is everyone having a hard time dealing with the Starbuck stuff? She died, came back to life, then vanished. Just someone else we’ve all read about. I’m not saying she’s like a Christ figure because religion, God(s), angels–humans created these ideas. Maybe they created them to convey the idea that there is something else out there, some other being or beings that we can’t explain that we are connected to, and sometimes that being(s) visits us. And we don’t always understand it’s purpose.

Also, Starbuck was the harbinger of death. She did lead the human race to it’s end. … Not an end, but a beginning. A rebirth for the human race. A rebirth for the cylon too.

We have a story from the Bible, some would call it a myth, where God wipes out the human race in a Flood and saves just a few in Noah’s ark and he leads them to dry land. An end and a new beginning.

The phoenix symbol of the show, which on the flag of the 12 Colonies always reminded me of this. The phoenix of myth has a 500 to 1,000 year life-cycle, near the end of which it builds itself a nest that then ignites. Both nest and bird burn and are reduced to ashes, from which a new, young phoenix or phoenix egg arises, reborn anew to live again. The new phoenix is destined to live as long as its old self.

159. sean - March 22, 2009

Glen Larson was/is a Mormon, so the original show was heavily influenced by Mormon theology. Still, I felt BSG left a lot open to interpretation, so it’s not about pushing a particular viewpoint or even the existence of God or gods, but merely the idea that there’s something more than us. That doesn’t have to be supernatural, but then again, anything we couldn’t explain or that was sufficiently beyond us and our understanding might as well be magic.

160. Jordan - March 22, 2009

But how AMAZING were those final moments, when “All Along The Watchtower” kicked in with shots of modern robotics… what a perfect indicator that all this has happened before and will happen again… though Head Six thinks it won’t end up the same way, I think humanity has an uncanny way of repeating it’s foibles.

161. That Nutty Fanboy - March 22, 2009

#149: ‘Herald of the Apocalypse’ can be taken quite literally for Kara Thrace. ‘Apocalypse’ doesn’t mean anything more than ‘Revelation’. And she was literally a herald of revelation with her miracolous return to the fleet at the Ionian nebula, sending them all to their end.

162. THX-1138-Star Trek: Timmy! - March 22, 2009

#57-#67-#110-#144

“I do not troll.”

No. Of course you don’t.

163. sean - March 22, 2009

#161

Except the Hybrids didn’t call her the ‘Herald of the Apocalypse’, they called her ‘The Harbinger of Death’. Slightly different.

164. Daoud - March 22, 2009

#149, 163. Yep, all the hybrids are now dead, yes?

165. Rick - March 22, 2009

I will keep it simple I liked it. I guess I could find flaws and over analyze the hell out of it. But it worked for me on an emotional level. When a story grabs me like that and bounces around in my mind a few days later it did it’s job. I loved the many levels it worked on for me. It was a crazy and sometimes bumpy ride but thanks for the journey GALACTICA! SO SAY WE ALL!

166. sean - March 22, 2009

#164

True, though it was followed with ‘they (the human race) must not follow her’. So I think it’s still a bit murky.

167. Fast Attax - March 22, 2009

Absolutely one of the BEST series finale episodes ever aired!
They really tied up all the plot and character threads. The pacing of the episode was perfect; and I truly enjoyed the homage to the original series with the original score playing in the background as Adama took his last fly-by of Galactica.

168. Andy - March 22, 2009

#65

If anyone saw my previous remark about my DVR not recording properly. The situation was resolved. I’m up in Canada and the channel up here which airs the show is called Space. They showed the final episode again this afternoon. So I was able to record it and watch it.

WOW! What an amazing finale. The best finale I’ve ever seen. I laughed, cried and was on the edge of my seat the whole two hours. Ron Moore? You are one kick ass writer! If only there were more out there with your creative genius. I can’t wait until the DVD comes. I can’t wait for Caprica. I can’t wait for the season 4 soundtrack and I can’t wait for Star Trek. Thank you Space channel for giving me the second chance.

SO SAY WE ALL!

169. Bob Tompkins - March 22, 2009

148- Well stated!

170. Fast Attax - March 22, 2009

I really enjoyed SIX and Baltar walking through Earth’s history – commenting and debating on humaity’s issues and development is priceless.

171. uk3doorsdown - March 23, 2009

What happened to all the Cylons that were still on Caprica and the other Colonies?

172. Hawaiowa - March 23, 2009

What I found interesting was the Kubricking of BSG in the finale, even if it was predictable. There was so much left open ended, just like how 2001 ended with a big “?” of allegory. The finale seemed to try and hit on a number of iconic myths, some even primal in nature, that many writers have already identified.

Overall, the pacing was very uneven during the 2nd hour, but there were some really strong moments in it for me.

A hilarious moment when Six and Baltar see their alters/avatars, during the gun-n-run sequence. “What? You see them too?!” Interesting how Baltar and Six became Ahura Mazda type characters; singular consciousnesses with polarized Good & Evil. All along, both have been a study in juxtapositions of character portrayal, and it was nice to see that theme continued.

When I rewound the ending sequence, I was almost chilled by the initial robot image, especially the close up of the head after the dancing movement. For a moment, I lost out on the Turing discerna, because the robot seemed vivified to the point of sentient intelligence. I was jokingly expecting Vocaloids or something in the end, but the inclusion of the virtual idol sequence was good. Unfortunately, the scene would have been more apropos in Akibahara rather than NYC, but that would have been lost on most of the audience.

Hendrix was a nice touch. Too often, the 21st century has censored the 60s out of existence in popular media, relegating it to self-parody ala Austin Powers.

Overall, BSG set a number of benchmarks in the TV sci-fi genre, in SFX, dramabole (neologism of drama and hyperbole), iconic paradoxing, etc. It remains to be seen how this will be emulated/ignored. An example might be Squaresoft’s Final Fantasy movie, which set all sorts of benchmarks in cinematic computer animation, plot, etc…but was a flop and finished behind Shrek in recognition the year it came out. In some sense, I would esteem BSGs low ratings as caused by it being ‘too far ahead of it’s time’.

If you all may recall, the concept of a sci-fi TV show superseding the cultural capacity to meme, inculcate, or assimilate it has occurred before. One such series was continually panned by critics, relegated to late night slots, scored low ratings which resulted in a premature cancellation, and seemed to be confined to a narrow demographic. 43 years later, it is now poised for a new iteration. In one sense, BSG recapitulates this process, which justifies the thematic thread between this website and the need for this discussion.

173. Leonel - March 23, 2009

I loved the BSG finale, but I must admit that for me it didn’t top All Good Things. Guess that means I really am a Trekkie. Anyway, when I watched and pondered the finale I realized that Star Trek had explored the concepts of parallel Earths and an alien race seeding the galaxy (the Preservers).

Any other Trek/BSG fans make note of that?

174. Bored Trek Fan - March 23, 2009

It FRAKKIN ROCKED!!!… I am bummed it’s over.. and bummed we won’t get the updates here like we did… thanks, Anthony, for including this great show on the front page, where it was destined to be.

175. Spectrum of the Spock - March 23, 2009

… maybe Bob Dylan is “god”…

it was his song that got them to Earth…

176. Diacanu - March 23, 2009

So…am I the only one that thought the “goddidit”, copout answers to everything, and the luddite worldview made the whole thing full of fail?

177. Ian B - March 23, 2009

176-

No, you’re not alone in thinking that.

Also, one presumes they intended the “Eden” ending to be uplifting, but it was for me an enormous downer. After all that struggle, their civilisation was lost and everything they sought to preserve extinguished. They descended into the tribal barbarism of the Old Stone Age. Hera’s genes survived, but even she died a young woman.

I found it totally depressing.

178. Diacanu - March 23, 2009

Ian-

Thank you!!

And agreed, very depressing.

179. blake7bab5 - March 23, 2009

I’m in the minority. All weekend my wife and I have been dissing the final for its too convenient “god did it” ending.

I can’t help thinking….ok so ‘god’ decides when starbuck is a child to implant the coordinates of earth in her head so she will know where to go when all the events in the series are done. Huh? So, this ‘god’ knew that the colonies would be blasted by cylons and billions killed and a rag-tag fleet would jump around the galaxy looking for the lost tribe of cobol? Doesn’t make much sense to me.

Adama deciding to leave his child and starbuck (whom he said was his daughter) and become a hermit? I know some say it made sense, but to me it didn’t.

What was the point of Hera? All the precognition and opera house ghosties and it all came down to whether the quantum leap guy would trade the kid for resurrection knowledge? So much for the child being so special.

As far as being the best scifi ending? No way. Best end was Blake’s Seven. Second best, Babylon 5. This one was too easy, imho.

Now, before you start flaming me and calling me a troll…that isn’t my point. I just wanted to write my opinion. I’m not attacking anyone elses, so don’t trash me for not agreeing with you.

180. sean - March 23, 2009

#179

I think we’re all free to have opinions as long as we’re civil.

That being said, I’m not sure how anyone couldn’t have seen a certain amount of supernatural influence playing into the finale. I don’t think it was so much a case of ‘God did it’ as it was a case of ‘SOMEone did it’. Would it have been more satisfying if we’d learned some alien race had orchestrated all of this? Or ancient humans? Or Lords of Kobol? I don’t see how that’s any less a convenient answer than the one we were given. In fact, given the ambiguity of the answers we were given, I think it can be interpreted in any number of ways the viewer desires, including alien influence.

In terms of Blake’s 7 – how was that the best scifi ending of all time? The show was canceled and ended on an unresolved cliffhanger. Even if it’s a great ending, it was essentially dumb luck. As for Babylon 5, I was never a big fan so I can’t speak to how satisfying that ending might have been. When it comes down to it though, how were the ‘First Ones’ any different than Moore’s ‘God’ in BSG?

Also, # 176 – I’d assume after reading your blog that *anything* attributed to a higher power or gods or God would be pretty unacceptable :)

But BSG as a series was not Luddite – there was no blanket rejection of technology. Only a restriction on AI. And honestly, if your AI had risen up and engaged your entire civilization in war, wouldn’t such a restriction be within reason? In terms of the finale, these people had lost everything – loved ones, homes, civilization – and were stuck on tiny, cramped ships for 5 years being chased by cyborgs that wanted nothing more than to destroy them. I don’t think they were rejecting technology so much as they were embracing simplicity and a long sought after freedom. They had a chance to literally start their entire civilization over again. How often does a race get a chance to hit the reset button?

Then again, weren’t they essentially playing God to the existing tribal civilization on Earth – providing them with guidance, steering them in certain ways? In the end, was that the cycle that couldn’t be broken? That irresistible urge to recreate what had been lost?

The real question posed in BSG, IMO, is ‘If we create sentient life, are we responsible for the repercussions of that creation?’ What kind of God or gods would we be? If the Colonials were steering our human civilization, what differentiated them from a supernatural deity? Ultimately, we end up in the God role.

181. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 23, 2009

First of all, I want to say categorically that I am not a hater — I love, love LOVE just about every minute of every episode of BSG. However, I was disappointed in the finale, Daybreak Pt.2. Specifically, from the point the Truce fails with Galen’s attack on Tory, the jump to New Earth (Our Earth), and the rest.

While every one of the characters’ stories was tied up nicely with a bow, what I had taken to be the core theme of the story was left unresolved — and not in a good way. I feel we the viewers had all come to care about the fate of the Cylon replicants as a race. It seemed fair that Cavil & company were going to keep Resurrection, while the remaining Final (Original) Five along with the 2s, 6s & 8s would keep Hera and strive toward sexual reproduction as the way to propagate. Instead, Hera is left as the only means of continuity for the Cylon replicants. Hera is just one case, her descendants infusing more and more Human DNA.

In other words, the “good” Cylons simply accept going out in a whimper. That just doesn’t work for me, not after all the time invested in keeping their continuation a high stake.

Another thing that bothered me is that when our heroes arrive at Original Earth, the topography heavily implied that that was Our Earth. When it was revealed that New Earth is Our Earth, I felt like Ron D. Moore & Co. were just thumbing their noses at the viewers, going, “Ha, Ha, gotcha!”.

182. Diacanu - March 24, 2009

180-

Well, I don’t mind God as a fictional character, I like films like “Time Bandits”, and “Dogma”, but “an invisible higher power did it” is just a lazy copout.

At least you could see B5’s Shadows and Vorlons.

“God did it”, is just a shoulder shrug, and a non-answer.

And “embracing simplicity”?
Please.
Just don’t build Cylons.
Not too hard.
Yeah, “simplicity”, sounds so sweet and “Little House On The Prairie”, until you consider how many people freaking died on that show of treatable maladies.
It’s embracing barbarism, plain and simple.
And it don’t get any more luddite than that.

Sorry, I’m a progressive Trekkie through and through, and that’s a worldview that sickens me.

The Amish, the Unabomber, all from the same cloth in my eyes.

Having anti-technology God-bothering propaganda smuggled into my sci-fi makes me a sad panda.

183. Decker's Stubble - March 24, 2009

182 – a sad panda? An angry panda is more like it. Why the seething hostility towards a belief system that you don’t share?

So progressive = militant atheist? Really? That would be news to my more liberal friends.

The Amish = the Unabomber? Huh?

184. Diacanu - March 24, 2009

“So progressive = militant atheist?”

Nope.
Black and white straw man of my philosophy.

“The Amish = the Unabomber?”

Nope.
Black and white strawman of my position.

185. sean - March 24, 2009

#182

I understand your hesitancy in accepting the ‘simplicity’ tack at face value. But by simplicity I wasn’t implying an absence of progression. After all, the last we saw them they still had Raptors & various other futuristic space transport & gear handy. And they certainly couldn’t magically forget everything they knew. In fact, the clear implication is they taught the primitive peoples of Earth how to speak, gave them a possible belief system and possibly even gave them construction technology that was far beyond what they were otherwise capable of (the original BSG strongly suggested that aliens helped create the pyramids, etc., in this case it seems human aliens did so).

I think they had a clear desire to move away from the idea of crowded and claustrophobic cities. In the story’s context, this is sensible and understandable, given the nature of their lives for the last 5 years. This seemed more a desire to get back to basics, to remove the clutter. Let’s face it – modern life is all clutter. It’s very easy get lost in it all. We, as individuals, often have to refocus our lives to get back on track. I think this is what they were attempting, albeit in a very broad stroke.

That doesn’t mean tossing out knowledge or retreating into some kind of isolationist philosophy. But neither is progress defined by city blocks and overpopulation. Really, BSG is just examining a recurring concept in science fiction – that man has a very conflicted relationship with his technology. Star Trek examined this many times, but also sought to show technology as neutral. How we, as humans, used the technology was what was important. Reject it, and your civilization might die out in ignorance. Embrace it too fondly, and you turn into Borg. It’s all about balance (as is most everything in life).

“The Amish, the Unabomber, all from the same cloth in my eyes.”

I’d argue that the Amish can only hurt the Amish by doing what they do, whereas the Unabomber sought to bring others to his worldview by terror, fear and murder. That, to me, paints a very decisive line between them, regardless of the fact that I don’t agree with either philosophy.

186. Diacanu - March 24, 2009

Okay, I’ll walk you through my “hostility”, to this worldview.

Throughout history, “god did it!”, was used to plug up holes in things we didn’t understand.

But, thankfully, people stepped past “god did it!”, and used scientific inquiry to unlock the real answers to the workings of nature.

And those answers lead to technologies and medicines that kept someone in all of your families alive.

You’re literally all on here on this board, typing, seeing, drawing breath, because brave and intelligent people found “god did it!”, to be an unsatisfactory answer.

“God did it!”, is code for “it’s too hard! Don’t make me think so hard!”.

Combine that with luddite-ism, you get not just “thinking is too hard!”, but “thinking is BAD! It makes evil robots! Stop thinking!”.

I can’t think of a worse message to center an SF story around.

It’s antithetical to our civilization, right down to us typing on our PCs and laptops this very moment, and it’s antithetical to the ideals I embrace as a Trekker.

That’s just how I see it.

If that makes me “militant”, then “militant”, is meaningless, and all the genuinely militant wackos out there with their weapons, and schemes, will be really miffed.

I merely found it to be a disappointing point of view being propagandized for, and sloppy storytelling to have that literal non-answer be the answer to 5 years of buildup.

That’s my opinion.

Sorry.

187. Diacanu - March 24, 2009

“I understand your hesitancy in accepting the ’simplicity’ tack at face value. But by simplicity I wasn’t implying an absence of progression”.

But in this case it is.
We know the BSG’s descendants became the caveman.
They regressed.
Humanity got amnesia.
Game over for their civilization.

Pretty bleak.

“I’d argue that the Amish can only hurt the Amish by doing what they d”.

Well, their children didn’t ask to be born into that way of life.
Lot of horror stories about what happens to those that grow up and rebel.

” whereas the Unabomber sought to bring others to his worldview by terror, fear and murder. That, to me, paints a very decisive line between them, regardless of the fact that I don’t agree with either philosophy”.

I don’t disagree.
I just think at the core, it’s the same worldview, just that The Unabomber too it too far.

188. THX-1138-Star Trek: Timmy! - March 24, 2009

But seriously folks, who says that BSG, and Star Trek for that matter, are science fiction stories?

189. Diacanu - March 24, 2009

What are they then?

Limericks?

190. Notbob - March 24, 2009

I loved the ending of the show. The bird in Lee’s house was a cool idea , to me, but some did not get it. When a bird flys into your house, it’s an omen that someone you loved will die. Lee found the bird in his house and chased it out. Then we see him later, waking up on the couch, and he sees the pigeon has come back. At first, I thought that the bird was an omen for Zak, his brother who died. But at the end it was clear that it was Kara.

I take it that Kara Thrace was indeed alive and well until she died near the end of season 3. She came back in the end of season three, but that wasn’t really Kara so much as it was an angel–not unlike the angel Baltar or angel Caprica Six. The only difference was that they all could see her–not like the angel Baltar and angel Caprica Six.

Hera was the key and was important because she was the brith of modern humans. She was the genetic Eve. That was how I read this ending. But she was one of maybe a handful of possible human-cylon crossbreeds–the only one the viewers got to see. There were some cylons who came to the Earth with humans, but more humans than anything else.

191. Notbob - March 24, 2009

Oh yeah, and I figure Bill Adam had to go off to the mountains–never to see Lee again–because then Lee would become a “full adult.”

That I took from the line Kara said to Lee in an earlier episode where she said that we don’t truly grow up until our parents pass on–or something like that.

192. Diacanu - March 24, 2009

Sorry for ranting but did, or did not, the BSG miniseries preview special unashamedly tout that the message to BSG was “propaganda”?

Well, propaganda for what?

If not Mormon theology with a Luddite twist, then what?

This “keep technology in balance”, explanation just doesn’t fly for me.

And by admitting that it was propaganda, did it not open itself up for criticism and examination?

193. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 24, 2009

Eisenstein’s October & Battleship Potemkin are propaganda films, but still great classics of cinema. The same can be argued (to a lesser extent, IMO) of Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will and Griffith’s Birth of a Nation. There are plenty of propaganda movies that can be appreciated as great art regardless of their message. I can’t stand the message of Charlie Wilson’s War, but I enjoyed it.

Besides, BSG is not really propaganda, because there is more than enough in the way of alternative perspectives & interpretations embedded within the fabric of the episodes themselves.

194. McCoy's Gall Bladder - March 24, 2009

Fraking retard atheists

You’re just mad at your parents that didnt love you enough.

MOST if not all scientists balance science and belief in God or a Divine Being or some sort of Entity.

Granted, ALL organized religions practice thought control to some degree. 5000 years ago, a lot of people had VD. Moses gave the Israelites laws to protect the people of that time from destroying themselves. Jesus gave Gentiles and Jews alike exactly two commandments, “love God, and love each other.” Mohamed created Islam for the same reason Moses gave law to the Jews: Ancient Arabia was a sad place of violence and disease. Ancient China, Japan, and India were also cesspools of wickedness and barbarism. Buddha taught them a better way.

The basics of every MODERN religion is: Treat yourself and your fellow human with respect. More than that is just stories told around the campfire.

IF you understand the why, you can make educated decisions for yourself, have fun and not harm anyone in the process. For instance, I’m not the marrying kind. I’m a sinner, but I sin responsibly. No one gets harmed.

You’re behaving like a spoiled child. You’re angry and bitter and trying to infect the rest of us with your self hate. Misery loves company after all.

EVERYONE: Stop feeding the TROLL.

This is the XO

Lesson over

Dismissed.

195. Diacanu - March 25, 2009

“Fraking retard atheists”

Needless insult.

“You’re just mad at your parents that didnt love you enough”.

Needless insult.
And incorrect.

“MOST if not all scientists balance science and belief in God or a Divine Being or some sort of Entity”.

Un-evidenced assertion.

“Granted, ALL organized religions practice thought control to some degree”.

I think this is the only point we’re likely to agree on.

“The basics of every MODERN religion is: Treat yourself and your fellow human with respect”.

Yes, modern.
One has to cherry-pick away the nasty bits.

“More than that is just stories told around the campfire”.

That’s an insight you might want to share with your coreligionists, many take it literally.
You’re bashing those folks more than I ever could by making that assertion.

“You’re behaving like a spoiled child”.

How so?

“You’re angry and bitter”

Incorrect.

“and trying to infect the rest of us with your self hate”.

Needless insult, incorrect, and lacking any evidence or reasoned argument to back it up.

…and I’m the troll?

196. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 25, 2009

194 McCoy’s Gall Bladder – “Fraking retard atheists”

That is unacceptable – Totally out of line. You really should be perma-banned for that.

I’m a staunch atheist, but you don’t seem me proselyting or putting down others’ belief systems.

197. Diacanu - March 25, 2009

196-

“I’m a staunch atheist, but you don’t seem me proselyting or putting down others’ belief systems”.

In my daily life, and on most sites I go to, I try to stay out of the fray.
I confine my ramblings on religion, and its effect on society and the world to my blog.

I merely wished to vent my displeasure with the BSG finale, and to see if anyone else felt the same way.
I seem to be in a minority.
Ah well, I always am.

Others such as MGB made it about my atheism, and I merely defended myself.
Note I did so without personal insult, or profanity.

That my views push emotional buttons isn’t my problem, and my behavior won’t be dictated by those reactions.

198. Diacanu - March 25, 2009

Going back to post 186, I reiterate, it’s not that God was involved at all, I enjoy stories with supernatural elements.

It’s the way it was done.

It’s sloppy storytelling, and a copout.

If a light had shined down on someone, and a booming voice had said “yes, my child, it was me!”, or whatever, I would’ve rolled my eyes, but okay, fine, that’s the way it would’ve gone.

But even then….a story with 5 years of twists and turns, you expect more.

Going back to B5, yeah, the Vorlons and Shadows were pseudo-spiritual god-beings, but they had a history, and they tied into everything, and there were clues, and a logical progression.

They didn’t meander around for 5 years, and then Kosh goes “oh yeah, I’m God, the end”.

Y’know?

Even if you’re religious, that’s a sloppy copout way to wrap something up.

It uses God as a plot eject button.
Like the particles of the week of Voyager.

199. Chris H - March 27, 2009

123: ‘Just wondering why they played the theme from Alien most of the episode, though…’

Oh am so glad it wasn’t just me!

That was a masterful end to perhaps THE best sf TV show ever (ducks for cover…); I cried a lot and punched the air a lot. Wonderful stuff!

200. Chris H - March 27, 2009

158: ‘The phoenix symbol of the show…’

It’s probably been pointed out elsewhere but Starbuck had winged tattoos….

201. Dom - March 27, 2009

Just saw the final episodes. Loved then. Superb character moments, a great rescue scene and even a bunch of old-school Cylon Centurians.

Nice to see that they kept a balance between the scientific and the spiritual right up to the end. And it was very nice that we didn’t get a load trendy religion-bashing thrown in, so we ended up with a universe where God and Gaia and science can all co-exist!

Interesting that the angels kept the image of Baltar and Caprica even 150,000 years later. Actually, I wonder if they’re friends of Sapphire and Steel . . .

All in all, perhaps the greatest science fiction series ever, ironically born of a failed piece of overblown 70s disco trash (that was still fun in its time!)

Certainly it was the best sci-fi show since the original Star Trek. Now that it is set to be available as a complete entity on DVD and Blu-ray, hopefully new viewers will be attracted to it. Certainly, I suspect its influence will be felt throughout science fiction television for some time to come.

Roll on The Plan. Roll on Caprica. Thank you Ron Moore and David Eick for giving me the sci-fi show I’ve waited my entire life to see! Truly the night was darkest before the dawn!

202. Dom - March 28, 2009

Diacanu

Why are you even posting here?

From your blog: “Monday, March 23, 2009 . . . apparently, the finale of Battlestar Galactica was this weekend. I didn’t watch, as I hate the show. Well, turns out the answers to all the big questions were “goddidit!!”, and ludditism. HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! Swill. F**k you, Ron Moore. :)”

I think that says all we need to know about you and how informed your ‘opinions’ are! And, FYI, there are probably more of us who are happy with the show’s ending than not. Difference is, those who dislike a thing are more prone to make a noise about it. Every BSG fan I know who saw it loved it! I’ll pray for you! ;)

And why are people freaking out about the God thing in the show, claiming it’s sudden? For five years we’ve had a woman who looks like Caprica Six and a man who looks like Gaius Baltar, who are invisible to everyone else, proclaiming themselves to be angels sent by God. And then you’re shocked that they turn out to be . . . angels sent by God! Have you even been watching the show?

And as for the plan or lack thereof . . . erm . . . there’s a film called The Plan coming up. Just possibly it might address the, er, Plan? ;)

203. Commodore Lurker - March 28, 2009

Defrakking . . .

Just saw the finale on Hulu.

A true MASTERPIECE!!!!

It’s hard to believe that Ron D. Moore didn’t have this ep. sketched out from the git-go.

I particularly liked the very-very-very end, linking it all to today. Very nice.

It seems to me that they left plenty of open room for Battlestar Gallactica: The Next Generation.

Again, here’s hoping for a The Plan and Caprica thread.

I’d really hate if this is the last time I get to post . . .

Refrakking. }:-D>

204. Dom - March 29, 2009

203. Commodore Lurker

Yeah, there’s plenty of opportunity to see the descendants of the fleet educating the Mayans and Egyptians. It all ties in very nicely with the vatious theories of a technologically superior race living on Earth a few thousand years back!

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