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Tidbits Extra: Countdown Dates Update + Soundtrack Update + TrekMovie on Mancow March 24, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Comics,Great Links,Music,Star Trek (2009 film),TrekMovie.com , trackback

We have an unprecedented second Tidbits in the same day. Firstly we have an update on dates for Countdown, it is actually not early. Plus we have some more info on the Star Trek soundtrack. Lastly, a couple of TrekMovie.com folks are going to be on the Mancow show this week (tomorrow and Friday).


Countdown dates: Issue 4 next week – TPB in 2 weeks
In our earlier Tidbits we reported that the trade paperback for "Star Trek Countdown," the official movie prequel comic, was coming out tomorrow. It turns out that is not going to happen. Tonight IDW’s Chris Ryall has provided an updated update on the dates. Here is the breakdown: Countdown Issue #4 comes out next week on April 1st (available in comic shops and via the Android and iTunes). Then a week later the trade paperback comprising all four issues comes out (in book stores and on Kindle II on April 7th, and in comic shops on April 8th). NOTE: That these are the most current official release dates from IDW, but it is possible that some retailers let the TPB out early.

Countdown #4

Countdown TPB
@ Amazon

(April 1)

(April. 7)

Soundtrack Update
Yesterday we reported that the soundtrack for Star Trek was officially announced, and today the album’s publisher (Varese Sarabande) sent over the official soundtrack description (which is also now up on their website):

Original Motion Picture Soundtrack

Music Composed by Michael Giacchino
From Producer / Director J.J. Abrams

From producer/director J.J. Abrams (Lost, Mission: Impossible: III, and Fringe) comes a new vision of the greatest space adventure of all time, Star Trek, featuring a young, new crew venturing boldly where no one has gone before. Starring Chris Pine as Kirk, Zachary Quinto as Spock, Simon Pegg as Scotty, with Eric Bana, Winona Ryder and Leonard Nimoy.

Composer Michael Giacchino, who has served as J.J. Abrams’ musical lieutenant on all his projects, follows the extraordinarily rich musical legacy of Alexander Courage, Jerry Goldsmith, and James Horner, as he boards the Enterprise for her maiden voyage.

In the tradition of Batman Begins, this is STAR TREK for a new generation, and is the most anticipated blockbuster of the 2009 summer season.

Paramount Pictures will open STAR TREK nationwide on May 8.

Varèse Sarabande Catalog #: 302 066 966 2
Release Date: 5/5/09

Pre-order your Star Trek soundtrack now.

TrekMovie’s Tony and John on Mancow Tomorrow and Friday
Is reading TrekMovie.com not enough for you — do you want to hear us blather on the radio as well? If so, then tomorrow is your lucky day. TrekMovie’s Anthony Pascale (that’s me!) will be a call-in guest on the nationally syndicated Mancow show. I should be on around 8:35 AM Wednesday morning (Central Time). I will be talking about the site and the movie and fans and whatever else is on Mancow’s mind, he is a big time Trek fan so it should be fun. On Friday, TrekMovie’s maven of merchandise John Tenuto will in the Chicago studio with Mancow, again talking about the site but this time focusing on Star Trek stuff, and also talking about John’s day job, teaching "The Sociology of Star Trek" at the College of Lake County. For more info on the show, visit Mancow.com. I will try and get permission to run audio files of the appearances later the week.

UPDATE: Pine Harrison Ford comment resurfaces
The UK’s Independent has a new article on Chris Pine, Star Trek’s new Kirk. The article has a number of quotes from the actor, but it appears they are actually just old quotes from other sources recycled, including this passage about about Harrison Ford.

Naturally, the biggest fear Pine had was stepping into an iconic role that has always been associated with William Shatner. But Pine has a novel way of dealing with updating Star Trek. He’s not going to model his Kirk on Shatner and has instead looked to Harrison Ford’s turns in Indiana Jones and Star Wars for inspiration. “What Harrison is so great at is bringing that quality to his character that if he could be anywhere else in the world at that time, he would be,” chirps Pine. “He is just stuck in the middle and has to deal with it. I’ve always loved that quality about him in Star Wars, that absolutely grumpy manner, the accidental hero. I want to bring that kind of humour to Kirk.”

Interesting comment, but after we first reported it tonight, it was noted that it turns out to be from an IGN interview we reported on last March.

Lately I have been seeing more and more ‘new’ articles related to Star Trek that contain old quotes and content. There is an increased interest in Trek and some there is a lot of recylcing going on in the media. Usually we avoid repeating ourselves, so thanks for pointing this one out.


That’s it for this ‘tidbits extra’…but tidbits will be back soon.


1. Robert Saint John - March 24, 2009

If TPB is “actually not early”, then how did I read TPB earlier this evening. I must have a magic mailbox. Well, magic UPS driver.

2. Elise - March 24, 2009

1 was it enjoyable?

3. OneBuckFilms - March 24, 2009

I really have to watch the mailbox for Countdown #4.

Cool beans !!!

4. Robert Saint John - March 24, 2009

It’s wonderful! The character sketches in the back are a real plus, and the illustrations of the TNG crew in part 4 are just dead on. A few surprises, too, but I’m not saying because there’s no way of masking spoilers. Suffice to say that if you enjoyed 1-3 and are hyped for the movie, you’ll love 4, and TPB is very slick.

Of course, someone will probably delete my message now for disclosing trade secrets or something.

5. Mike Stivic - March 24, 2009

I heard this early on and I HATE hearing that Pine was inspired by Ford and not Shatner. I don’t think he needed to do a Shatner imitation, but Hans Solo was far from Jim Kirk in many ways. I hope this is just Pine’s opinion and not something that comes across in the movie.

6. garen - March 24, 2009

seriously…how could RSJ get his book early?

i was ready to head out tomorrow morning and grab up the TBP!

this new news is disappointing!

“i want a golden goose now!”

7. Elise - March 24, 2009

4 Good! *wishes she didn’t have to wait*

8. garen - March 24, 2009

#4 RSJ

Answer this if you feel comfortable…if not…thats ok..i understand!

does the final chapter wrap anything up as far as the comics go? or is it simply a TOTAL cliff hanger for the movie??

9. The Governator - March 24, 2009

1. Robert Saint John

Most interesting and illogical. But since you have read it, tell me, what was it about?

10. Character Doctor - March 24, 2009

Yeah, not the right things to say there, Chris. Kirk is not Indiana Jones or Han Solo. He is a character who can take charge in any situation, with determined spirit and spontaneity. I also hope that Pine’s comments do not reflect upon his Kirk in the final movie.

11. BL - March 24, 2009

Well shoot… I hurried over to Amazon to buy the TPB thinking it was coming now. It’s cool. I planned on getting it any way.

12. The Governator - March 24, 2009

Harrison Ford is one of my favorite actors, so to hear that he was an inspiration for Pine is encouraging. I can already see some Shat in his performance, so I’m not worried about getting a “Kirkless” Kirk.

13. Daoud - March 24, 2009

Chris Pine picked a good actor to emulate in order to create the persona of this alternate-universe Kirk. Shatner’s Kirk didn’t have the same stressors that Pine’s Kirk will have had….

Of course, I’d argue Shatner’s Kirk had quite a bit in common with Ford’s Indiana Jones.

14. Robert Saint John - March 24, 2009

#9 – What was it about ?!?!?

Oh, I see, you think I’m lying? Oh, okay. Well, hope this helps:


Feel better? Still need me to tell you “what it’s about”?

15. AJ - March 24, 2009

Nice to know that the VS blurb excludes Oscar-winning Leonard Rosenmann. I do no think Cliff Eidelmann or Dennis McCarthy deserve short-shrift either.

Varese Sarabande also has two of the best TOS music CD’s available, and I would put Fred Steiner leagues above Giacchino in terms of the ability to do visceral orchestral soundtracks. “Corbomite Maneuver” is unreachably divine.

16. Robert Saint John - March 24, 2009

#8 – Taken as a whole, this would work completely as a standalone story. It’s not a cliffhanger at all. And, really, that’s it now. That’s all I’m saying.

17. Kevin Dilmore - March 24, 2009

Hey, Anthony! Tell Mancow that Dayton and I name-dropped him in “Summon the Thunder.” He’s on page 247 and gets punched in the mouth by the CMO of the Endeavour. Mancow’s a Kansas City boy, too. Good luck on the show and have fun!

18. Spock's Brain - March 24, 2009

Explain to me why bringing into play character traits that have never been associated with James Kirk is a good idea? James T. Kirk does NOT equal Han Solo. Not sure if I like his idea from the sound of it.

19. Anthony Pascale - March 24, 2009

guys I don’t know what to tell you about early reports of Countdown sightings. IDW asked us to update our dates and I did so. Their official date is April 7th. It is possible that some may end up shipping early, I really don’t know. Anyone who says they have it can emai at tips [@] trekmovie.com

20. Blake Powers - March 24, 2009

I know a Mancow but that is completely off topic.

21. OneBuckFilms - March 24, 2009

The early date probably confused the reseller network. Hence the early sendouts.

the fact that Countdown #4 is coming out as early as next week is very interesting.

I just Gotta see how it ends/begins …

22. Cylon - March 24, 2009

10- Your description of Kirk is exactly the way the rest of the non-trek world would describe Han and Indy. Take charge in any situation, with determined spirit and sponteneity. Yup. I’m wondering how would you describe them since you have apparantly never seen a Star Wars or Indiana Jones movie. May the force be with you Character Doctor.

23. The Governator - March 24, 2009

14. Robert Saint John

Hey man, just curious. I believe you. I am glad you have it. I love being spoiled. Its just odd that you would get it so early. No hard feelings.

24. GaryS - March 24, 2009

And the worst thing is the novelization comes out the same day as the film.
That is positively EVIL!

25. MC1 Doug - March 24, 2009

Okay, I am not going to see the movie. Capt. Kirk is not Han Solo. Not canon! not canon!

(ducking once again as Anthony lobs a fake tricorder at me… ow!!!!! that hurt!!!!)

26. grid - March 24, 2009

So on the one hand i initially thought borrowing from Harrison Ford’s characters is a brilliant choice. The intelligence and expertise, the confident swagger, the humour.

Perfect for an updated kirk.

..and yet Pine says:

“I’ve always loved that quality about him in Star Wars, that absolutely grumpy manner, the accidental hero.”

Kirk might be Solo or Jones like in many ways, but the grumpiness isn’t part of it, and there’s nothing “accidental” or “caught in the middle” or reluctant about Kirk. Kirk is all about jumping in headlong.

Hopefully Pine is just talking about how to get the Kirk origin story right .. getting Kirk to that point with the grumpiness and accidental nature as part of the transition and growth into a brash adventurer.

27. Cylon - March 24, 2009

26-Any character or person who goes into a situation wanting to be a hero is exatly the wrong person that should be a hero. The accidental hero is what Kirk was all along, just like Solo or Indy. Kirk never went looking for trouble, if he did he would have been psychotic and not exactly the kind of leader who inspired trust in his crew and would have more likely killed himself and his crew ten times over. Could he jump headlong into a situation? Yes, that is called quick thinking. If he was real he would be the first to say he was an accidental hero. He would probably also be a Star Wars fan.

28. garen - March 24, 2009

16 RSJ

thanks for the honest response to my query!

29. tman - March 24, 2009

Kirk from Canon is someone who has been consumed by the job. He’s a soldier. That’s the guy you see in TOS and the movies. There’s similarities to Robert Culp’s character in I Spy and many others.– it’s an archtype but only Shat does it so well. A recurring theme in TOS and TWOK is who he could have been if his soldier’s duties weren’t there. AND TMP is his failed attempt at going cold turkey. Kirk loves soldiering which is part of the tragedy. He’s addicted to his duty and the thrill of it. If you dial back in time to before he became a soldier, Kirk MUST have been a reluctant hero. He hadn’t crossed that road where he is so locked into one path that it takes on that tragic element. If instead you dial back in Kirk’s arc and he’s just an overachiever driven to succeed, you do more harm to Canon than making him a reluctant hero. He’d have to be 2-dimensional like Superman or a sadist and neither of those are Kirk. Harrison Ford has depicted the reluctant hero more effectively than many other actors– I think he realizes that’s his one calling. Pine is a great character actor, not a mimic. If he could pull something from what Harrison Ford did to make the character the reluctant hero, he did good. And over the next few films we and Pine can enjoy him growing to be the Kirk we all grew to love.

30. Captain Dan - March 24, 2009

I wonder if anyone who ordered from Amazon.com will get their Countdown TPB soon then, or do we have to wait a little longer. Doesn’t bother me much either way I guess.

The text for the soundtrack got me wondering with the ‘where no one has gone before’ line… will the new movie have the famous ‘Space. The Final Frontier’ line in it?

31. Will_H - March 24, 2009

Ive never seen much Solo or Indi in Kirk. Kirk goes into things head on, but he tends to have a plan, even if nobody else knows he does. So yeah, I think a lot of people are going to be disapointed in Pine’s performance if he really goes for that. You’d think he’d be enough of an actor to figure the role out him self and not base it off some other sifi role. And honestly, if he did have to use someone else, Id still rather it be Shatner’s Kirk instead of Han Solo, because at least its Kirk. I still think that Spock and some of the others will be much better acted than Kirk, but I hope Im wrong.

32. Spock's Brain - March 24, 2009

18. Spock’s Brain – March 24, 2009

Anthony, how come is there another “Spock’s Brain”?

—-The Original

33. Thehaggard - March 24, 2009

#14 –
OMG he’s from the future!!!!

34. Smitty™ - March 24, 2009

Wait a minute that that interview with Chris Pine is about a year old!

Folks The Independent is republishing past interviews.


35. Ben IV - March 24, 2009

JJ’s conference with Lucas
Now Kirk is inspired by Solo?

Seems like Quinto (and from all reports Urban) are the only ones who will bother performing Star Trek

Oh wait, what’s Pine doing in the scene with the Orion slave girl?
Right, that’s why I’m not going to see the movie.
why do I bother visiting the site anymore?

36. Devon - March 24, 2009

“Now Kirk is inspired by Solo?”

Sorta. Of course you can’t say whats wrong with that when there isn’t. The original Kirk was inspired by other things as well.

“Seems like Quinto (and from all reports Urban) are the only ones who will bother performing Star Trek”

Seems like that is something you came up with on your own.

“Oh wait, what’s Pine doing in the scene with the Orion slave girl?”

What Kirk does best.

“Right, that’s why I’m not going to see the movie.”

Oh, well yippie.

“why do I bother visiting the site anymore?”

You want us all to know how you feel?

37. MakinBacon - March 24, 2009

TPB coming out april 7? That can’t be right. I have 2-day shipping, and Amazon says my copy is coming on May 1st.

38. Don Farnsworth - March 24, 2009

Han Solo was a rip off of Kirk anyway. The only difference being that the real Kirk would have ripped Vader apart himself.

39. Newman - March 24, 2009

RSJ you must be a time-traveling villian from the future. Maybe Braxton, Future Guy, or Professor Berlingoff Rasmussen.

I’m on to you.

40. Newman - March 24, 2009

…or Nero


41. Robert Saint John - March 24, 2009

#39, you’re very close to the truth. By the way, I’ve already seen the movie (in the future), and it rocks! lol

42. Jeff C - March 25, 2009

Hehehe. It is funny how the old interviews keep popping up and haunting the discussions. Poor Chris keeps getting told he is putting his foot in it when it is the same quotes coming back.

Everytime I keep seeing new footage and hear new details, i keep getting a bigger Star Wars vibe from the new movie.
Some have called it Star Trek Returns (no doubt in reference to the pre-release hype of Superman Returns) but I think it is Star Trek Wars: Episode XI – Ten Years After Episode I.

A Sea of stars. A voice in the darkness:

“Iowa Farm Boy Jim Kirkwalker finally gets his dream of escaping his hum-drum, Earthbound existence when a terrible threat strikes the Federation. With the guidance of Obi-Spock Kenobi and the help of sarcastic know-it-all Han McCoy, Kirkwalker teams up with Uhurabacca, Suluthreepio and Checkovdeetoo to help Princess Spock avenge the destruction of the planet Vulcaraan by the evil Darth Nero, using the Romualn Star Empire’s mighty weapon–THE DEATH NARADA, which has the power to destroy entire planets…
Only with the mysical power of THE PRIME DIRECTIVE can Kirkwalker fulfill his destiny and the prophecy imparted to him by Obi-Spock Kenobi, that he will become the greatest Starship Captain of all time!

SADDLE UP! LOCK ‘N’ LOAD! Forget the Past!
This is NOT your DADDY’S Star Trek!
This is your older brother’s flashier, less-satisfying-circa-1999

(I kid! I kid! It’s a JOKE!)

43. Pat D. - March 25, 2009

Future RSJ.

Aren’t you concerned about fracturing the time stream?!?!?!!?!

44. ety3 - March 25, 2009

I just checked Amazon and they still show that the TPB is coming out April 29. I hope that gets corrected soon.

45. Steve - March 25, 2009

First class way to put it!
It annoys me when people start complaining ‘Oh no! This isn’t the Kirk or Star Trek I know! Oh the horror!’.
Simple fact is that this film is aiming to bring us to that point. And as tman pointed out, making Kirk a 2-dimensional character rather than a flawed character but trying to overcome such flaws, does more damage to the franchise, canon and Kirk’s character. Flawed characters are interesting because you think about who and what they are on the surface and underneath, whereas a goody-two-shoes character like Superman to me doesn’t appeal because if he is an all round good person, where do you go with that? (sorry superman fans, no offence intended)

46. Nikos - March 25, 2009

5/5/9 soundtrack release?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I want it NOW!!!!!

47. SPB - March 25, 2009

Han Solo is the type of guy who could easily swipe another woman right out from under Kirk’s nose.

48. Bruce_Wayne - March 25, 2009

this may have been answered before, but the newest Trek trailer that was attached to Watchmen,…was that Giacchino’s score? Sounded more like Hans Zimmer. Thought it was amazing.

49. I'm dead Jim - March 25, 2009

RSJ- Since you’re definitely from the future, could you tell me how this whole world economic meltdown turns out? Oh, and is the new Trek movie a blockbuster success?

Great picture by the way. LMAO!

50. I'm dead Jim - March 25, 2009

I’m not worried about contaminating the timeline, just want to create one or two alternate ones.

51. ProperTrekkieUK - March 25, 2009

Ooooooooooooh Countdown #4! Alllll my theories will be proven TRUE! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

52. Stanky McFibberich - March 25, 2009

I have never seen Kirk as a reluctant hero.
Of course, this is the Fake Kirk.

53. SmartAzz - March 25, 2009


Now they model James Kirk after Han Solo.

My ass.

54. falcon - March 25, 2009

Folks, if it weren’t for the bigger-than-life sensibilities of action-adventure and science fiction, James T. Kirk would be another run-of-the-mill starship captain, just another cog in the great Starfleet machine. Who can tell me the captain of the real-life USS Enterprise without looking it up? Anybody? Anybody? Bueller?

The fact is, ship captains of the 21st century don’t call attention to themselves, and their ships distinguish themselves by the actions of their crews. If Kirk found himself in a sticky situation, of course he and his crew would find a way out of it, but not because of some “accidental hero” syndrome – it’d be because of training, knowledge, intelligence, and a devotion to duty.

Of course, that would make for a boring movie. But what’s wrong with giving Kirk some “accidental hero” qualities? Command of a ship (or a starship) is essentially an administrative job. Remember in TOS when Kirk would be signing all those futuristic clipboards? Reports, reports, reports. Requisition forms. Commendations and/or reprimands. Transfers, promotions, pay raises. Requests for shore leave. Medical reviews. Power consumption reports. The list goes on and on. That’s 99% of the real job of command. The exciting part is only 1%, and if Kirk had to endure 79 adventures over 1825 days (5 years), that’s 4% of his first five-year mission. That might either get him a commendation or a reprimand for being a trouble magnet. Giving the character some qualities that allow him to take charge of a crisis with confidence, while still wishing he didn’t have to do it, makes him more believable as a person. It’s the archetype of the TOS Kirk that is unrealistic.

55. Duncan MacLeod - March 25, 2009


Why dont you RTFA.

“YET ANOTHER” this is a RECYCLED quote from A YEAR AGO. It has not been repeated or restated at any point since then. Anthony even stated specifically it is NOT a new quote.

56. Jim Durdan - March 25, 2009

According to Diamond Comics, the primary distributor of comics in the US and the UK, this is what they are shipping this week for Star Trek comics:


Notice the second item. According to Diamond, the Countdown TP IS shipping this week.

57. Krik Semaj - March 25, 2009

He never really made it big in syndication. A Stern wanna be. He is in mostly small markets now – primarily on AM stations. If you’re not on FM on terrestrial radio you don’t get big numbers.
Anthony, Try and get on Stern. There are over 18 million satellite subscribers now. He is a huge Sci Fi fan, A big Trek fan. Everyone knows he is a close friend of the Shat (he is a fairly regular guest), and Takei is a part time announcer/personality on his show.

58. Brett Campbell - March 25, 2009

#5 — Well said, and I totally agree.

59. Dennis Bailey - March 25, 2009

At this point Chris Pine knows Kirk better than any trekkies posting on the Internet do. Anything he has to say about the character is interesting.

60. Jorg Sacul - March 25, 2009

#4.. “Hans?”

61. Mark Lynch - March 25, 2009

Pre-ordered my trade paperback edition in February, hope it comes early.

62. Derf - March 25, 2009

I don’t see what the big deal is about the Harrison Ford deal…

…unless, of course, in the new movie he escapes being caught on a planet that is being blown up by crawling into a fridge :(

63. Mark Lynch - March 25, 2009

Stanky, I think it is fair to say that Kirk never happily led his ship or people into hazardous situations, and in that vein you could say he is a ‘reluctant hero’.

In fact if you take the novelisation of ST:TMP as canon (and why not) a section of it has him stating, in response to him being labeled a larger than life hero, (and I am doing this from memory, so not word for word) “I lost 72 of my crewmen during our five year mission… I have hated every occasion that I had to put my people in danger…”

So to my mind, Kirk is a professional who will do what needs to be done. But he will not recklessly put his ship or people in jeopardy.

Just my take on things, your mileage may vary of course.

64. Tox Uthat - March 25, 2009

Right now it’s 8:49am central time and no Anthony yet on Mancow on-line.

65. Cylon - March 25, 2009

52- I thought trekkies were supposed to have an open mind. Why dont you open a book by joseph Campbell (The Hero with a thousand Faces) or the wikipedea and look into what the the heroes journey is. The reluctant hero IS Kirk. Always have been. Trouble always finds Kirk and then it ends with Kirk. He never went out of his way to start a fight or a war. Remember, Khan found Kirk, to start some s**t , not the other way around(ex: ST2). He always fell into a pile galactic crap and came up with a plan on the fly and come up with roses. It seems to me that Shatner’s Kirk was so popular because he wasn’t Superman and actually was a character that that people could look up to and more importantly relate to. If pine wants to insert more of the classic heroes archtype into his performance then we will see a Kirk thats similar to Solo, Indy or OMG, Shat’s Kirk. Look into something first before you put on your rediculous Star Wars filter on. It makes you sound ignorant.

66. Tox Uthat - March 25, 2009


I’m not a Mancow fan and it’s been a little brutal to listen, but, still, at 9:30am central, no Anthony. So either I missed it or it hasn’t happend yet.
Oh, well.

67. Anthony Pascale - March 25, 2009

I did my segment about an hour ago…not sure when it will air. I think it may have been taped for doing later in the show actually, they werent very clear. It wasn’t very much fun to be honest, hardly got a word in edgewise.

68. Spectrum of the Spock - March 25, 2009

does anyone remember the movie “Heroes” (late 70s) with Harrison Ford and Henry Winkler???

Ford had a supporting role – but he had a cool car.

69. AJ - March 25, 2009


I disagree. A 20-something actor who spent a few weeks with someone else’s script does NOT ‘know Kirk’ better than fans who may have spent over 40 years digesting TOS on film and in print.

We will see if Pine ‘gets it’ this May.

70. Trek Nerd Central - March 25, 2009

45, 29. Yup.

I, for one, am antsy-pantsy with anticipation over seeing Kirk’s backstory. Is it the backstory imagined by all those Trek novels I’ve consumed over the years? Probably not. Is it canon? Arguably, by some sci-fi stretch of the imagination, if we can believe Orci-Abrams’ reassurances.

The point is, we’ve come to know and love an iconic-heroic-cosmic- mesmeric character over 43 years, but we’ve **never seen his history played out on screen**! We’ve only been teased, here & there, with stories & girlfriends & progeny & suchlike. Amazing, when you stop to think about it. I can’t think of another 20th-century pop character that’s such a virgin in the backstory department.

Won’t it be a thrill to see where JTK’s been coming from? And don’t start with the “fake Kirk”/”real Kirk” stuff. We’re in the realm of speculative fiction, not docudrama. If Pine’s performance is on the money, he’ll be the “real” Captain Kirk. And maybe it’ll add some new depth of understanding to the original conception of the character — and, retroactively, Shatner’s performance.

I’m not dissing Le Chat. I adore the guy and will always love TOS. If Abrams’ movie is any good, it won’t diminish the original Kirk. It’ll just give us a new variation on a brilliant old theme — one first composed by a master.

71. AJ - March 25, 2009

Wow, Mancow is annoying…

72. Planet Pandro - March 25, 2009

We’ll see where this all goes. Remember, it’s a “proto-Kirk” or “pre-Kirk”, so the accidental hero angle is perfectly fine. He’s not the Kirk we know and love…YET. I think that’s probably tough for alot of people to get around…they’re looking for an “instant-Shat” Kirk. Insta-Shat? Hmm, might be on to something…

…anyway, it would be like watching Batman Begins and wondering why Bruce Wayne doesn’t just put on the bat suit when he’s in the prison in the begining of the movie. Or maybe not as good an example, but wondering why little kid Anakin Skywalker hasn’t turned into darth Vader by the end of the pod race. Patience, my fellow Trekkers.

73. Tox Uthat - March 25, 2009


Thanks, Anthony. That’s one of the reasons I don’t like Mancow.

74. Kirk - March 25, 2009

Anthony, I think that you should put this in the news :D : http://www.joblo.com/moviehotties/index.php?id=5668

75. Perry Wilson - March 25, 2009

I also received my Countdown TPB from Amazon and read the whole thing last night. Without giving away too many spoilers, it looks like the time travel that Nero and Spock experience is an accident, not by plan. They seem to get… sucked into it…

76. Closettrekker - March 25, 2009

#75—Very interesting.

You should put together a review and send it in to Anthony right away!

77. Jim Durdan - March 25, 2009

Just called my comic shop, they DID NOT recieve the Countdown TPD.

78. Robert Saint John - March 25, 2009

#75 – That puzzled me as well. The nice thing is that it made Countdown a very standalone story. But the events in Part 4 indicate to me that some of our assumptions about the storyline of the movie are at least a little off. It also makes me question whether some things that we’ve seen in the trailers (specifically, the first and third trailers) were identified correctly.

Which is nice! It’s always nice (for me) to feel that I haven’t been as spoiled as I thought I was!

79. jared - March 25, 2009

mancow is one of the worst radio shows out there. it used to air in the boise area until plenty of people wrote tot he radio station to have it taken off the air here. there is really nothing funny on that show, the host lectures too much and to no end.

80. Andy - March 25, 2009

Got an email from amazon this morning. Said I’ll be receiving TPB april 6-13. Ordered jan 21.

81. Christine - March 25, 2009

Meh! I wanted to hear you guys.

Try to get on the air again; I was busy at school when ya’ll were on the radio.

82. Umpire of Life... - March 25, 2009

#47 While I like Solo, there are two reasons he could never match up with James T.

Reason 1-Kirk would wipe the floor with Solo, no and I mean NO contest…hard to do some lovin’ from sickbay….

Reason 2-Kirk is so busy being Kirk, he would leave to woman before Solo even got his game going…so he’d just be getting leftovers….

Just calling ’em like i sees ’em…

83. Mike Ten - March 25, 2009

Robert Saint John, next time you go to the future, send back some lottery numbers for us along with several copies of the Blueray release of Trek09 please?

84. Perry Wilson - March 25, 2009

I think the most discussed item post-release Countdown TPB & #4, after having read it, is the health and disposition of Worf. The eventual fate of Spock aboard the Jellyfish and Nero & The Nerada will be resolved in the film, but the fate of Worf won’t. Hopefully a follow-up graphic novel may answer this!

85. galexypest - March 25, 2009

I is to bad Mr.Pine did not go to the only source still alive.
We keep hearing all this crap about where he pulled his
inspiration. He sounds very shallow. Perhahps if he lands
green lanturn,He will go to Ace Ventura for insiration.

86. Perry Wilson - March 25, 2009

I agree with RSJ. The end is neatly wrapped up (thanks to the deus ex machina of “red matter”), other than the fate of Worf. This could almost be a standalone story. I also anticipated that the time travel element would be a deliberate plan by Nero and that Spock would deliberately follow in order to stop him, yet the wrap-up of Countdown suggests that this is an accident. Cue the “flash” sound from “Lost”…

One thing that bothers me is the poor science. A nova that immediately takes out planets in star systems far away? Whatever happened to the speed of light? Is this a “warp” supernova? And how can it threaten the entire galaxy… much less the *universe*, as one caption claims. The sad thing is these sorts of things can be fixed so easily. Why not a nascent Quasar? We know very little about them and how they are born. Maybe they *do* have subspace qualities…

In the end, COUNTDOWN is fairly well plotted, nicely illustrated, while written (dialogue & captions) very poorly. But it does its job, bridging the gap between “Nemesis” and the new film.

87. Cervantes - March 25, 2009

#48 Bruce_Wayne

I’m afraid to say that the music you refer to is NOT part of the actual soundtrack unfortunately. The soundtrack is one of the few things left for me to really care about in this reboot now, considering how much I personally dislike most of the Production Re -designs!

A heap of Trek ‘trailer’ music facts are covered in this recent article – http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40551

and click onto the comments below, as there’s some hilarious stuff there….

88. grid - March 25, 2009

some people are saying that the original series Kirk was a reluctant hero because he didn’t needlessly endanger his crew and because he didn’t pick fights.

all that means was that the original series Kirk wasn’t a bastard.

there’s a lot that’s accidental about a smuggler like solo becoming a hero, but absolutely nothing accidental about a ship’s captain taking *necessary* risks without hesitation, or jumping in headlong to *break up* a fight.

the entertainment of watching Kirk wasn’t the drama of trying to figure up whether he would stand up to a situation or not, like with Han Solo, but watching Kirk and his crew very purposefully putting themselves out there into the unknown, and watching them fix a mess through ingenuity and guts.

that’s not grumpy or reluctant or accidental. so i really hope that when Pine talks about this he means it as a kind of complicated transition through this first film, not as how he views the character’s underlying nature.

though from what i’ve seen it seems like the film is structured in just this way.

89. Andy Patterson - March 25, 2009

18. Spock’s Brain – March 24, 2009

” Explain to me why bringing into play character traits that have never been associated with James Kirk is a good idea? James T. Kirk does NOT equal Han Solo. Not sure if I like his idea from the sound of it.”

I’m with you buddy. I say again,….(the most important character in my opinion) is the one the actor didn’t do his (proper) research on. Is this what he calls “bringing his own thing” to it? I’m keeping my tongue on this. To paraphrase David McCallum from an episode of an old “The Outer limits” he did….” his ignorance makes me ill and angry”. I still think I was right Peter N.

And shout out to you Anthony for being on Mancow. Good for you! That’s cool. Would like to hear it.

90. Stanky McFibberich - March 25, 2009

re: 63. Mark Lynch – March 25, 2009
Stanky, I think it is fair to say that Kirk never happily led his ship or people into hazardous situations, and in that vein you could say he is a ‘reluctant hero’.”

Well, I guess that was not the way I was thinking about it. I just didn’t see any resemblance between Kirk and Han Solo as characters. In the series, I think Kirk came across as a natural leader who was comfortable with that for the most part. Obviously anyone in a true leadership position would not “happily” lead his crew into hazardous situations, but Kirk would not hesitate long to do what was necessary for a given situation.
Solo, to me, is an entirely different type of hero.

91. cpelc - March 26, 2009

THis is what I wrote March 18, in the thread from Countdown 3

I’m thinking that when Spock attempts to implant the red matter he runs into Nero and the Narada. Spock is successful in creating the black hole, but it effectively sucks both his ship and Nero’s in throwing both into the past.
Nero, with his plans to destroy Vulcan in his present thwarted, decides to destroy Vulcan in the past. In the movie he is trying to drill and collect decalithiumin hopes to recreate the red matter and return to his own timeline.

Glad to see that it appears some of it is coming true

92. Andrew - March 26, 2009

Regarding the Han Solo as inspiration for Kirk controversy:

Do any of you ever watch the Godfather and think of Don Rickles when you see James Caan as Sonny Corleone? No? Well, that was his inspiration for expressing himself in staccato language.

The point is, what an actor uses as inspiration is internalized and translated in a way that makes the original source material very different from the final product.

93. Andy Patterson - March 26, 2009


“Do any of you ever watch the Godfather and think of Don Rickles when you see James Caan as Sonny Corleone? No? Well, that was his inspiration for expressing himself in staccato language”

I know….I read that article in Vanity Fair. According to the article Caan based the one scene…the meeting with Salazo on Rickles – his delivery of a line where he interupts his father in front of the group. He blurts it out in a very Rickles manner. Not his whole performance.

94. Jason - March 26, 2009

I just finished reading the TPB that I got from Amazon in the mailbox yesterday. It actually brings up more questions than answers, based on what I have see in the trailers.

95. Bay Area Nick - March 27, 2009

Review of Countdown TPB: http://groknard.blogspot.com/2009/03/ot-review-of-star-trek-countdown-tpb.html .

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