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	<title>Comments on: Tidbits Extra: Countdown Dates Update + Soundtrack Update + TrekMovie on Mancow</title>
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		<title>By: Bay Area Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay Area Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Review of Countdown TPB: http://groknard.blogspot.com/2009/03/ot-review-of-star-trek-countdown-tpb.html .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Review of Countdown TPB: <a href="http://groknard.blogspot.com/2009/03/ot-review-of-star-trek-countdown-tpb.html" rel="nofollow">http://groknard.blogspot.com/2009/03/ot-review-of-star-trek-countdown-tpb.html</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished reading the TPB that I got from Amazon in the mailbox yesterday.  It actually brings up more questions than answers, based on what I have see in the trailers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished reading the TPB that I got from Amazon in the mailbox yesterday.  It actually brings up more questions than answers, based on what I have see in the trailers.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>92

&quot;Do any of you ever watch the Godfather and think of Don Rickles when you see James Caan as Sonny Corleone? No? Well, that was his inspiration for expressing himself in staccato language&quot;


I know....I read that article in Vanity Fair.   According to the article Caan based the one scene...the meeting with Salazo on Rickles - his delivery of a line where he interupts his father in front of the group.  He blurts it out in a very Rickles manner.     Not his whole performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>92</p>
<p>&#8220;Do any of you ever watch the Godfather and think of Don Rickles when you see James Caan as Sonny Corleone? No? Well, that was his inspiration for expressing himself in staccato language&#8221;</p>
<p>I know&#8230;.I read that article in Vanity Fair.   According to the article Caan based the one scene&#8230;the meeting with Salazo on Rickles &#8211; his delivery of a line where he interupts his father in front of the group.  He blurts it out in a very Rickles manner.     Not his whole performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Han Solo as inspiration for Kirk controversy:

Do any of you ever watch the Godfather and think of Don Rickles when you see James Caan as Sonny Corleone? No? Well, that was his inspiration for expressing himself in staccato language. 

The point is, what an actor uses as inspiration is internalized and translated in a way that makes the original source material very different from the final product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Han Solo as inspiration for Kirk controversy:</p>
<p>Do any of you ever watch the Godfather and think of Don Rickles when you see James Caan as Sonny Corleone? No? Well, that was his inspiration for expressing himself in staccato language. </p>
<p>The point is, what an actor uses as inspiration is internalized and translated in a way that makes the original source material very different from the final product.</p>
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		<title>By: cpelc</title>
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		<dc:creator>cpelc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THis is what I wrote March 18, in the thread from Countdown 3

SPOILER THEORY
I’m thinking that when Spock attempts to implant the red matter he runs into Nero and the Narada. Spock is successful in creating the black hole, but it effectively sucks both his ship and Nero’s in throwing both into the past.
Nero, with his plans to destroy Vulcan in his present thwarted, decides to destroy Vulcan in the past. In the movie he is trying to drill and collect decalithiumin hopes to recreate the red matter and return to his own timeline.


Glad to see that it appears some of it is coming true</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THis is what I wrote March 18, in the thread from Countdown 3</p>
<p>SPOILER THEORY<br />
I’m thinking that when Spock attempts to implant the red matter he runs into Nero and the Narada. Spock is successful in creating the black hole, but it effectively sucks both his ship and Nero’s in throwing both into the past.<br />
Nero, with his plans to destroy Vulcan in his present thwarted, decides to destroy Vulcan in the past. In the movie he is trying to drill and collect decalithiumin hopes to recreate the red matter and return to his own timeline.</p>
<p>Glad to see that it appears some of it is coming true</p>
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		<title>By: Stanky McFibberich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanky McFibberich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: 63. Mark Lynch - March 25, 2009
&quot;#52
    Stanky, I think it is fair to say that Kirk never happily led his ship or people into hazardous situations, and in that vein you could say he is a ‘reluctant hero’.&quot;

Well, I guess that was not the way I was thinking about it.  I just didn&#039;t see any resemblance between Kirk and Han Solo as characters.  In the series, I think Kirk came across as a natural leader who was comfortable with that for the most part.  Obviously anyone in a true leadership position would not &quot;happily&quot; lead his crew into hazardous situations, but Kirk would not hesitate long to do what was necessary for a given situation.
Solo, to me, is an entirely different type of hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: 63. Mark Lynch &#8211; March 25, 2009<br />
&#8220;#52<br />
    Stanky, I think it is fair to say that Kirk never happily led his ship or people into hazardous situations, and in that vein you could say he is a ‘reluctant hero’.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I guess that was not the way I was thinking about it.  I just didn&#8217;t see any resemblance between Kirk and Han Solo as characters.  In the series, I think Kirk came across as a natural leader who was comfortable with that for the most part.  Obviously anyone in a true leadership position would not &#8220;happily&#8221; lead his crew into hazardous situations, but Kirk would not hesitate long to do what was necessary for a given situation.<br />
Solo, to me, is an entirely different type of hero.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18. Spock&#039;s Brain - March 24, 2009

   &quot; Explain to me why bringing into play character traits that have never been associated with James Kirk is a good idea? James T. Kirk does NOT equal Han Solo. Not sure if I like his idea from the sound of it.&quot;


I&#039;m with you buddy.    I say again,....(the most important character in my opinion) is the one the actor didn&#039;t do his (proper) research on.  Is this what he calls &quot;bringing his own thing&quot; to it?   I&#039;m keeping my tongue on this.   To paraphrase David McCallum from an episode of  an old &quot;The Outer limits&quot; he did....&quot; his ignorance makes me ill and angry&quot;.     I still think I was right Peter N.

And shout out to you Anthony for being on Mancow.   Good for you!  That&#039;s cool.  Would like to hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18. Spock&#8217;s Brain &#8211; March 24, 2009</p>
<p>   &#8221; Explain to me why bringing into play character traits that have never been associated with James Kirk is a good idea? James T. Kirk does NOT equal Han Solo. Not sure if I like his idea from the sound of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you buddy.    I say again,&#8230;.(the most important character in my opinion) is the one the actor didn&#8217;t do his (proper) research on.  Is this what he calls &#8220;bringing his own thing&#8221; to it?   I&#8217;m keeping my tongue on this.   To paraphrase David McCallum from an episode of  an old &#8220;The Outer limits&#8221; he did&#8230;.&#8221; his ignorance makes me ill and angry&#8221;.     I still think I was right Peter N.</p>
<p>And shout out to you Anthony for being on Mancow.   Good for you!  That&#8217;s cool.  Would like to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: grid</title>
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		<dc:creator>grid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some people are saying that the original series Kirk was a reluctant hero because he didn&#039;t needlessly endanger his crew and because he didn&#039;t pick fights.

all that means was that the original series Kirk wasn&#039;t a bastard.

there&#039;s a lot that&#039;s accidental about a smuggler like solo becoming a hero, but absolutely nothing accidental about a ship&#039;s captain taking *necessary* risks without hesitation, or jumping in headlong to *break up* a fight.

the entertainment of watching Kirk wasn&#039;t the drama of trying to figure up whether he would stand up to a situation or not, like with Han Solo, but watching Kirk and his crew very purposefully putting themselves out there into the unknown, and watching them fix a mess through ingenuity and guts.

that&#039;s not grumpy or reluctant or accidental. so i really hope that when Pine talks about this he means it as a kind of complicated transition through this first film, not as how he views the character&#039;s underlying nature.

though from what i&#039;ve seen it seems like the film is structured in just this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some people are saying that the original series Kirk was a reluctant hero because he didn&#8217;t needlessly endanger his crew and because he didn&#8217;t pick fights.</p>
<p>all that means was that the original series Kirk wasn&#8217;t a bastard.</p>
<p>there&#8217;s a lot that&#8217;s accidental about a smuggler like solo becoming a hero, but absolutely nothing accidental about a ship&#8217;s captain taking *necessary* risks without hesitation, or jumping in headlong to *break up* a fight.</p>
<p>the entertainment of watching Kirk wasn&#8217;t the drama of trying to figure up whether he would stand up to a situation or not, like with Han Solo, but watching Kirk and his crew very purposefully putting themselves out there into the unknown, and watching them fix a mess through ingenuity and guts.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s not grumpy or reluctant or accidental. so i really hope that when Pine talks about this he means it as a kind of complicated transition through this first film, not as how he views the character&#8217;s underlying nature.</p>
<p>though from what i&#8217;ve seen it seems like the film is structured in just this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Cervantes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cervantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48 Bruce_Wayne

I&#039;m afraid to say that the music you refer to is NOT part of the actual soundtrack unfortunately.  The soundtrack is one of the few things left for me to really care about in this reboot now, considering how much I personally dislike most of the Production Re -designs!

A heap of Trek &#039;trailer&#039; music facts are covered in this recent article -  http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40551

and click onto the comments below, as there&#039;s some hilarious stuff there....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48 Bruce_Wayne</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid to say that the music you refer to is NOT part of the actual soundtrack unfortunately.  The soundtrack is one of the few things left for me to really care about in this reboot now, considering how much I personally dislike most of the Production Re -designs!</p>
<p>A heap of Trek &#8216;trailer&#8217; music facts are covered in this recent article &#8211;  <a href="http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40551" rel="nofollow">http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40551</a></p>
<p>and click onto the comments below, as there&#8217;s some hilarious stuff there&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with RSJ.  The end is neatly wrapped up (thanks to the deus ex machina of &quot;red matter&quot;), other than the fate of Worf.  This could almost be a standalone story.  I also anticipated that the time travel element would be a deliberate plan by Nero and that Spock would deliberately follow in order to stop him, yet the wrap-up of Countdown suggests that this is an accident.  Cue the &quot;flash&quot; sound from &quot;Lost&quot;...

One thing that bothers me is the poor science.  A nova that immediately takes out planets in star systems far away?  Whatever happened to the speed of light?  Is this a &quot;warp&quot; supernova?  And how can it threaten the entire galaxy... much less the *universe*, as one caption claims.  The sad thing is these sorts of things can be fixed so easily.  Why not a nascent Quasar?  We know very little about them and how they are born.  Maybe they *do* have subspace qualities...

In the end, COUNTDOWN is fairly well plotted, nicely illustrated, while written (dialogue &amp; captions) very poorly.  But it does its job, bridging the gap between &quot;Nemesis&quot; and the new film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with RSJ.  The end is neatly wrapped up (thanks to the deus ex machina of &#8220;red matter&#8221;), other than the fate of Worf.  This could almost be a standalone story.  I also anticipated that the time travel element would be a deliberate plan by Nero and that Spock would deliberately follow in order to stop him, yet the wrap-up of Countdown suggests that this is an accident.  Cue the &#8220;flash&#8221; sound from &#8220;Lost&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing that bothers me is the poor science.  A nova that immediately takes out planets in star systems far away?  Whatever happened to the speed of light?  Is this a &#8220;warp&#8221; supernova?  And how can it threaten the entire galaxy&#8230; much less the *universe*, as one caption claims.  The sad thing is these sorts of things can be fixed so easily.  Why not a nascent Quasar?  We know very little about them and how they are born.  Maybe they *do* have subspace qualities&#8230;</p>
<p>In the end, COUNTDOWN is fairly well plotted, nicely illustrated, while written (dialogue &amp; captions) very poorly.  But it does its job, bridging the gap between &#8220;Nemesis&#8221; and the new film.</p>
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